This is a great video. Watching you a bit unhinged is great. Just as well I have appreciated your channel for a few weeks now and have stumbled on this gem which is, at this time, a year old. Looking for Pyro reviews. Thanks for the great content.
The Pyro is so money and it took my emac truth out of my bag. I wanted the emac truth to be more OS than it was and was relatively difficult to FH. I now bag a neutron Hex and prism plasma Pyro and am very happy with that pair.
I love my pyro. It has been in the bag for two years and flies dead straight with a solid finish at the end. Into a headwind it flies like an over-stable buzzz. I bag it alongside the justice.
You may have already, but if you haven’t tried the DD Verdict it fits in my bag for exactly what you’re looking for. I go compass, verdict, then one Justice above that just for insane wind but it barely comes out of the bag.
Follow up on this - if you can grab a Fuzion-X verdict specifically, the 2021 Chris Clemons ones, THOSE are the ones. They’re a touch more overstable than the regular runs, I think skybreed discs has a few in stock.
You gotta get that food game up. If that saves you even 1-2 strokes a round, how great would that be? Also, don't worry about 6 holes going one way or the other. That shortness and variety keeps these videos spicy.
@@BodanzaDiscGolf Don't forget that driving strength (yes, puns). I'm excited to see what's in my mystery box and what videos and tournament results you've got coming up.
Easy way to tell between MVP and Axiom. MVP always has a black over mold on them. Axiom over molds are colored. (Edit. Pyro is a good midrange. I liked it the best on forehands but found it very similar in flight to my Champion Roc3 on backhand. Ultimately, I didn't bag the pyro. I don't know what it is about Roc3's but I love them. I did have all Roc3's for my mids but it's fun throwing different molds every now and then.)
I bagged a prysm plasma pyro and that thing was a beefcake. It was a slow firebird. I loved my fuzion emac truth. Moved past those 2 but I still have both in my kick around bag. Happy to see you reviewing it.
Haven't been subbed long but I really dig the channel man! Hope you're able to get out to the Portland area next year! Would love to see you play courses around here!
My midranges in order of stability (least to most) are Hex, Reactor, Pyro, Deflector. MVP has the best midranges in the game in my opinion. They are all very slim and aerodynamic.
I don't blame you for keeping things consistent in the mid slot feel wise with the MVP gyro. I throw 4 Discmania Methods cycled down for the same reason.
Here me out buddy.. I love you. You're one of my favorite content creators by far up to Simon rn. Get yourself a plasma prism pyro. Have beat so many trees and always consistent, my go to hyzer skip disc on holes 300 and under, it's by far my favorite over stable slim mid. So amazing
If you like the Emac Truth you'll like a Verdict. I'd say flight wise closer to the Emac than the Justice. Hand feel is almost identical to the Emac as well
If you want a slightly more understable Justice I would recommend a Legacy Recluse or DGA Quake. The Quake is really flat and comfy for FH. Verdicts are great but they can get flippy enough to be just straight.
Was just about to recommend the Legacy Pursuit. I think it's a Recluse without the bead. For me, the Pursuit is like a longer Zone. A little shallow, flat top. Rim is a little more concave than the zone but still comfortable forehand and backhand.
i use these three slots in my bag but i use the malta instead of the pyro. But i dont think the justice will ever leave my bag. Keep up the great content!
Rollers track similarly to how the disc flies. The Justice isn't going to turn over to it's flight plate as a roller, it's going to either go straight or stay on cut angle.
Caught this the same day that mvp signed Lizotte broke. One fewer spot on their team. Darn it. The Justice isn’t ‘stupid’. I just think it was not designed to be thrown from a teepad. It is a disc that has to be ‘learned’ and the curve is quite steep. I have friends that can’t understand the lines I get with it, but refuse to bag one because they don’t have time to learn how to throw a disc like the Justice. It will be a cold day in hell when that disc leaves my bag. Keep up the content.
Pro tip for the Axiom/MVP debate, 98% of the MVP molds have black rim whereas Axiom has colored rims! some plastics on mvp side have also white rim (glow, r2 etc)
The Pyro feels a little different in the hand, but I feel really confident with it and it has that great mix of trusty overstability and glide. I love it for forehands when you need something a little longer than a Zone, or just want to get to the basket with a little less effort. You have tried the Hex right? The Hex and the Pyro makes a great mid combo.
How do you grip mids forehand? I use drivers and the Berg only on forehand cause of the sharp rim or top indent of the berg to lock in the grip. Mids feel so loose in the stack forehand grip due to their roundness.
The pyro really shines if you stand still 4hand flat. Aim right at a tree and it gets just enough turn to go around it. (300ft) also use split finger grip. It loves to fly flat
Don't blame the justice for being what it's supposed to be lol it's a great disc... Not made for rollers... You just threw it like crap. By far the best disc of the 3 you had here
if you have a power forehand the deflector is the best. Find a eclipse rim for beefiest mid ever and get regular neutron for lil less stable slot. Flatter feel in hand than pyro. Older runs are better feeling.
pyro closer to a buzzz os, justice closer to a toro, but I'd say just snag another toro, cryztal flx zone or razorclaw 3. I have a toro vs razorclaw vs zone vid as well on the channel if your'e interested in more on that!
About mid vid, you make a comment about what flight you're looking for out of this disc/slot. I would suggest a Verdict, BuzzzOS, or Streamline Runway. Hope this helps. If you're already bagging the Truth, the Verdict will have the most similar hand feel 👍
IMO the pyro is one of the best approach discs in the game. Every pyro I've thrown has been more stable than every truth I've thrown. Forehand is a dream with it. I called it a slower firebird when I picked it up and it has always been that.
I throw a Pyro. My son throws a Runway and Bard. They all pretty much have the same flight. Nice and straight with reliable fade. Justice will be more like a Deflector and not a Pyro
dude i know this was 8mo ago but i feel the same way I LOVE the justice but I have 0 aces with it. hundreds of birdies, but no aces. It's a park job disc, not an ace run disc. I'm seriously considering the Pyro or the new MD5.
The justice is a tried and true most os mid u can get in market only things close are Mayne a defector from mvp, anvil which is a tad less os but still close and the a series from prodigy n mutant
I think there is room for 1 utility level BEEFCAKE disc in the bag, but personally I would rather have it be a fairway driver than a mid. I bag the Streamline Flare. It rarely comes out but is handy for scrambles, skip shots and forehand rollers.
How to identify if a gyro disc is MVP or Axiom: Is the rim black? If not, then it's not MVP. ;) ...unless it's R2, or a PDGA member disc, or... ...okay look, it's not foolproof, but 60% of the time it works every time!
Take a breath man. Love the vlog but slow down, you talk so fast. Used a prime emac truth for a while but now love my mind bender and hex. I have two justice ice discs and it’s way to overstable for my game.
your instagram link in the details section is spelld wrong (instragram)! also yay Gyro! MVP's Streamline discs also makes the Runaway which is a very overstable midrange that I like.
Really glad I stumbled on to this channel. Really liking your content! I bag bag 2 EMacs and a Pyro. Both are staples in the bag!
ACE RUN!!! Thank you! Really love your content and coverage (hope to be on some one day)!! Appreciate your support so much
All MVP discs have black rims and Axiom are colored. Quick way to tell the difference!
You beat me to it.
Apart from eclipse ones and R2s
thanks dude
wrong eclipse rims on mvp are white
This is the comment I was talking about 😂
The DD Verdict is another disc that’s very similar to the Pyro for me. Keep up the good work!
This is a great video. Watching you a bit unhinged is great. Just as well I have appreciated your channel for a few weeks now and have stumbled on this gem which is, at this time, a year old. Looking for Pyro reviews. Thanks for the great content.
The Pyro is so money and it took my emac truth out of my bag. I wanted the emac truth to be more OS than it was and was relatively difficult to FH. I now bag a neutron Hex and prism plasma Pyro and am very happy with that pair.
Get the supreme emac truth
I love my pyro. It has been in the bag for two years and flies dead straight with a solid finish at the end. Into a headwind it flies like an over-stable buzzz. I bag it alongside the justice.
Wow, it is crazy to see how your game and form has come in a year looking back at older videos
8:30 that's how my discs needs some talking to sometimes, gotta keep them inline lol.
You may have already, but if you haven’t tried the DD Verdict it fits in my bag for exactly what you’re looking for. I go compass, verdict, then one Justice above that just for insane wind but it barely comes out of the bag.
Follow up on this - if you can grab a Fuzion-X verdict specifically, the 2021 Chris Clemons ones, THOSE are the ones. They’re a touch more overstable than the regular runs, I think skybreed discs has a few in stock.
You gotta get that food game up. If that saves you even 1-2 strokes a round, how great would that be?
Also, don't worry about 6 holes going one way or the other. That shortness and variety keeps these videos spicy.
thank you! And totally, food game for tournaments is 100% important, for vids, can keep things interesting to say the least lol!!
@@BodanzaDiscGolf Don't forget that driving strength (yes, puns). I'm excited to see what's in my mystery box and what videos and tournament results you've got coming up.
Easy way to tell between MVP and Axiom. MVP always has a black over mold on them. Axiom over molds are colored. (Edit. Pyro is a good midrange. I liked it the best on forehands but found it very similar in flight to my Champion Roc3 on backhand. Ultimately, I didn't bag the pyro. I don't know what it is about Roc3's but I love them. I did have all Roc3's for my mids but it's fun throwing different molds every now and then.)
I found that my tie dyed champion ROC3 is straighter than my Pyro. I tend to go with the ROC3 for straighter shots. Did I get a shoddy ROC3?
@@sanethpierre8560 No, I've found that once I get the Champ Roc3's past their initial beat-in phase they tend to push straight with less fade.
if you are looking for a bit more overstable pyro and better hand feel , try the runway from streamline
Have you tried the Verdict?
I love my Pyros I bag 1 of em. One is a touch more stable then the other. Great FH disc and utilty disc up to 320
The justice is a great overstable approach disc use as it is designed.
Try an Eclipse Reactor next!
I bagged a prysm plasma pyro and that thing was a beefcake. It was a slow firebird. I loved my fuzion emac truth. Moved past those 2 but I still have both in my kick around bag. Happy to see you reviewing it.
Haven't been subbed long but I really dig the channel man! Hope you're able to get out to the Portland area next year! Would love to see you play courses around here!
Don’t sleep on the pyros older bro the streamline runway 🖤
My midranges in order of stability (least to most) are Hex, Reactor, Pyro, Deflector. MVP has the best midranges in the game in my opinion. They are all very slim and aerodynamic.
I don't blame you for keeping things consistent in the mid slot feel wise with the MVP gyro. I throw 4 Discmania Methods cycled down for the same reason.
@@jakemiller270 It would definitely be nice to have the same mold in your hand for every shot.
Here me out buddy.. I love you. You're one of my favorite content creators by far up to Simon rn. Get yourself a plasma prism pyro. Have beat so many trees and always consistent, my go to hyzer skip disc on holes 300 and under, it's by far my favorite over stable slim mid. So amazing
Great video dude! Love these comparisons!
Just wanted to agree with everyone saying the verdict or a lucid x emac truth is the disc your looking for.
Doesn't MVP always have a black overmold?
If you like the Emac Truth you'll like a Verdict. I'd say flight wise closer to the Emac than the Justice. Hand feel is almost identical to the Emac as well
If you want a slightly more understable Justice I would recommend a Legacy Recluse or DGA Quake. The Quake is really flat and comfy for FH. Verdicts are great but they can get flippy enough to be just straight.
Was just about to recommend the Legacy Pursuit. I think it's a Recluse without the bead. For me, the Pursuit is like a longer Zone. A little shallow, flat top. Rim is a little more concave than the zone but still comfortable forehand and backhand.
My Pyro and Quake fly identically. Within 5 feet of each other on both BH and FH.
You ever tryed a verdict?
i use these three slots in my bag but i use the malta instead of the pyro. But i dont think the justice will ever leave my bag. Keep up the great content!
Pyro was the first disc I bought and first disc I got an ace with. I started off forehand only so it was a perfect disc for that.
If you're looking to find something to fill the spot between emac truth and justice it already exists. Verdict all day!
A verdict is a more stable emac truth with super similar hand feel
hey @bondazna what mic do you use to record ur audio, its so crisp
Pursuit is so good for this slot too
Have you considered the DGA Quake? It’s shape and flight numbers seem perfect and I can’t wait to get it for my next overstable mid/approach disc :D
Rollers track similarly to how the disc flies. The Justice isn't going to turn over to it's flight plate as a roller, it's going to either go straight or stay on cut angle.
pyro is absolutely the most versatile overstable midrange ive thrown. so reliable yet so workable
Caught this the same day that mvp signed Lizotte broke. One fewer spot on their team. Darn it. The Justice isn’t ‘stupid’. I just think it was not designed to be thrown from a teepad. It is a disc that has to be ‘learned’ and the curve is quite steep. I have friends that can’t understand the lines I get with it, but refuse to bag one because they don’t have time to learn how to throw a disc like the Justice. It will be a cold day in hell when that disc leaves my bag. Keep up the content.
Gator is my home course and I throw the lucid justice specifically on hole 13. 😂 Works like a charm. I feel like it's a strictly woods disc.
Pro tip for the Axiom/MVP debate, 98% of the MVP molds have black rim whereas Axiom has colored rims! some plastics on mvp side have also white rim (glow, r2 etc)
Have you tried the escape? Its so good
The Pyro feels a little different in the hand, but I feel really confident with it and it has that great mix of trusty overstability and glide. I love it for forehands when you need something a little longer than a Zone, or just want to get to the basket with a little less effort. You have tried the Hex right? The Hex and the Pyro makes a great mid combo.
The streamline runway would 100% make your bag
Hey bodanza got any proton pyros you would part ways with
I bag a prism neutron pyro and based on the video it looks to be a bit more beefy than the prism proton. May be worth a shot!
You oughta try the glow eclipse reactor. That disc is something special.
The drone is a really good overstable mod I feel like you would really enjoy throwing it both backhand and forehand
How do you grip mids forehand? I use drivers and the Berg only on forehand cause of the sharp rim or top indent of the berg to lock in the grip. Mids feel so loose in the stack forehand grip due to their roundness.
same stack grip that I grip everything
The deflector is what you want instead of a justice but the pyro is my favorite forehand midrange
nah, don't like the justice slot as a whole. I prefer it at 4 speed than 5
The pyro really shines if you stand still 4hand flat. Aim right at a tree and it gets just enough turn to go around it. (300ft) also use split finger grip. It loves to fly flat
Can you standstill 4hand because it's way more accurate.
Pyro are an amazing OS disc. So useable
Don't blame the justice for being what it's supposed to be lol it's a great disc... Not made for rollers... You just threw it like crap. By far the best disc of the 3 you had here
I'd like to see you review the Axiom Panic
Or a MVP Zenith
Up next, mvp octane?
Anyone know how comparable the Pyro flight is to a Roc3?
more stable
if you have a power forehand the deflector is the best. Find a eclipse rim for beefiest mid ever and get regular neutron for lil less stable slot. Flatter feel in hand than pyro. Older runs are better feeling.
Could you review DoomsDay discs dystopia?
Are these compable closer to a buzz orca Toro I just threw my toro in the water so I was looking for a new over stable mid.
pyro closer to a buzzz os, justice closer to a toro, but I'd say just snag another toro, cryztal flx zone or razorclaw 3. I have a toro vs razorclaw vs zone vid as well on the channel if your'e interested in more on that!
About mid vid, you make a comment about what flight you're looking for out of this disc/slot. I would suggest a Verdict, BuzzzOS, or Streamline Runway. Hope this helps. If you're already bagging the Truth, the Verdict will have the most similar hand feel 👍
IMO the pyro is one of the best approach discs in the game. Every pyro I've thrown has been more stable than every truth I've thrown. Forehand is a dream with it.
I called it a slower firebird when I picked it up and it has always been that.
A slower firebird but it's always LESS stable than the Truth? I'm confused by your post
@@prattacaster was supposed to say more stable thanks for the catch
At least that roller worked out better than the one at UWF😂
You need either a Malta or reactor. That’s what I use for what you’re trying to do.
Funny story I got a pyro 30 minutes before this video came out lol!
Should try plasma plastic pyro for sure when you give that one away bro!
You should definitely take 1-20th place in your next tournament and get a pyro! One of my more predictable discs, tesla is another one
I throw a Pyro. My son throws a Runway and Bard. They all pretty much have the same flight. Nice and straight with reliable fade. Justice will be more like a Deflector and not a Pyro
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dude i know this was 8mo ago but i feel the same way
I LOVE the justice
but I have 0 aces with it. hundreds of birdies, but no aces.
It's a park job disc, not an ace run disc.
I'm seriously considering the Pyro or the new MD5.
The justice is a tried and true most os mid u can get in market only things close are Mayne a defector from mvp, anvil which is a tad less os but still close and the a series from prodigy n mutant
MVP rims are black and Axiom rims are colored, at least most of the time :)
I bag a pyro. Mine is pretty damn beefy, more than a 2.5, I'd say.
Picked the worst course to try for the first time and to try break par with a new disc. Gator is RUFF
I think there is room for 1 utility level BEEFCAKE disc in the bag, but personally I would rather have it be a fairway driver than a mid. I bag the Streamline Flare. It rarely comes out but is handy for scrambles, skip shots and forehand rollers.
Course looks like a swamp level from Donkey Kong country 2!
The justice doesn't seem your cup of tea.
But I love mine, I tell ya.
I like the window highlights that you use😀
Hey Anthony! You mentioned that you had a tournament this weekend. We want to spy on your rounds but your pdga membership expired. Time to renew!
this vid was a while ago, I post full rounds whenever I play don't worry! haha
Keep up the great work!
Emac truth - over stable?! Lmao. Never thrown one that wasn't under stable...
How to identify if a gyro disc is MVP or Axiom: Is the rim black? If not, then it's not MVP. ;)
...unless it's R2, or a PDGA member disc, or... ...okay look, it's not foolproof, but 60% of the time it works every time!
im fast today
Am i the only one that loves ice lucid justice?
More MVP 😂😂😂
Yeah… I bought a brown pyro. Bad choice lol
Have you done your putts today?
Do you try to make your videos ASMR? 😂 for real
Take a breath man. Love the vlog but slow down, you talk so fast. Used a prime emac truth for a while but now love my mind bender and hex.
I have two justice ice discs and it’s way to overstable for my game.
Switch playback speed to .75 if your brain isn't in overdrive
First! #throwgyro
your instagram link in the details section is spelld wrong (instragram)! also yay Gyro! MVP's Streamline discs also makes the Runaway which is a very overstable midrange that I like.