Age 18 to 75? .... I am going on 77 and have stage 4 cancer... and I have 5 orders in for it! As a grandfather (3 grandkids) I see this as the future of PERSONAL transport. I want them all to have one. (And I want one also... with a spare).
It would be nice, but this car has been in the making since the early 2000's. Millions of Americans have placed deposits with this company for a car that was never manufactured. Just saying. Too bad the government doesn't get a hold of this, and make it into mass production so the average Joe can afford a car for under $10,000.00. With over 300 million people in America, that should be feasable.
I am very excited about Aptera. I want one and almost signed up for one. Need to wait for my car leases to end. I’m 71 and seems safe for urban driving.
That’s cool the body actually has the highest crush strength of any car currently on the market I don’t know if they met armored cars but that’s a different animal anyway that’s custom more or less the standard cars is supposedly the strongest body so I’d say it’s safe on the highway in the urban whatever good luck with your purchase
Great Interview with Mr Munro. Really appreciate the sober discussion about the pros and cons of three wheel motorcycles like Aptera. Most others seems to buy it to all the sale fluff. Wish Aptera good luck and with Monro onboard they have a better chance.
Aptera's entrance with their huge range and superior aerodynamics really puts pressure on Arcimoto. It's going to force Arcimoto further down the path they've been heading to powersports territory. Aptera will be truly capable of going cross-country. Arcimoto will be for in-town and get trailered for road trips. Nobe & Bricklin will be low production-volume high-end toys.
Exited about the reboot of Aptera. I ordered mid range model in black and got all the solar covering whole car. I was going to build an EV conversion but the cost is the same now.
It's my hope that some of the technology employed for formula 1 safety makes its way into Aptera like vehicles. Reducing the safety concerns of small lightweight vehicles will make them more 'attractive', hence yield a larger market; thus more likely successful.
I’m 78 and configured my Aptera last week. I’m kinda leery about riding my Zero or SurRon to the max but I’m a kid @ heart. I love your interviews with Sandy and Tom. I’ve been a subscriber since the algorithm put you in front of me. Keep up the great videos/interviews.
Sad, killing self coz of failing to cope, i hope advances in psyche science lead to preventing this tragedy. Let’s all pray that we get wisdom from Bible- basic instructions before leaving earth🙏😇
Does anyone really believe the guy killed himself. It’s like the three farmers here in the state of Washington that came up with a system for making fuel just as everything was about to takeoff for some mysterious reason they all three had accidents and we’re dead and suddenly all their stuff kind of just disappeared into the woodwork equipment plans
No way to make a rear seating 'option'. That would be a completely different vehicle. Not saying that they won't do that, but expect years, not months.
I'm 77 and I want one. Of course I want a Cybertruck too. I drove my Model 3 across country this summer and would love to drive an EV with 1000 mile range. I admit, I'm torn.
@@timjoe62 For something like a limo service, Cybertruck can hold 5 passengers. For companies that tow a trailer, Cybertruck can outperform a pickup truck for much lower energy costs. Imagine 4 trucks going from $500/week for fuel to $100/week electric. That business just saved $1600 per week and stops a huge amount of pollution. Is Cybertruck overkill for a daily driver compared to Aptera? Sure, but it's still twice as good as a smaller ICE vehicle.
I put $100 on my Cybertruck reservation in 2019 and $100 on Aptera in 2022. Whichever gets to my market first wins. I want both, but I’ll let the competition decide.
@@Avenger24601 I want both too but can only afford one. I live up in the mountains though, and the Cybertruck meets my needs, especially if I can get a snowplow for it. Then I'll be a 1 vehicle family, one of my goals. My wife died 3 years ago so I'm down to the Model 3 and my Tundra which does my hauling and snow removal. My girlfriend bought a new Model S and we've been traveling in it. It's a great car, but I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't really notice much difference between it and a new Model 3 other than the $50k difference in price. The one thing I really like about the S is the heated steering wheel. The FSD is great too but I have that on my 2018 Model 3.
Alex, I just want one .. I think it was back in 2006 or 2007 I first see this car and wanted it and now with all them better design changes I just want one even more . yes I don’t need one just want one lol.. hope they get to production this time around .. good 👍 content Alex keep them coming..
This definitely has potential, especially with the range and price. These would be a tremendous solution for mass transportation b/c of its efficiency. Most travel is singular or with a partner (rarely ever do people actually use more than 2 seats), so hopefully it's a success. Also, Tesla scrapping a 3-wheeler when they're betting the farm on autonomy and mass transport?! MISTAKE
Tesla market is further up the scale. Right now, low cost three wheelers don’t suit their narrative. But they could support the small guys with motors and batteries.
Nice idea..looks cool.About time.My only concern is crash test..it doesn't look safe..people don't look properly on the road.But I wish the progressive idea..good luck.Its time has come ?!!!
I highlighted and right clicked on "three wheeled Tesla" from your comment to search on Ecosia for that term. Not much luck. You might have to try multiple search engines. I even dug through a forum thread from 2008-2011 and there were many pictures posted of other 3-wheelers of the time (crazy to see old Arcimoto prototypes) but nothing from Tesla.
I'm very interested about this vehicle. I have said many times we could make really efficent and lightweight vehicle if we'd abandon traditional crash safety measures and build the body the aerodynamic drag in main driving factor. It apears that Aptera is doing exactly that but even better than I have anticipated. It sounds amazing they can fit 100kwh battery into it. I'd really like to get this into my everyday vehicle, but little suspicious how it performs in winter conditions. Scraping it's curved windows, heating and the grip may not be optimum. I'd also need to have another vehicle to pull my trailer. Still I can't stop thinking of getting one every time I see it.
"abandon traditional crash safety measures" The fact they don't have to obey to these safety measures makes me nervous. There is always the ability to let go of the handle bar and jump on a bike but feet first into a wall?! Prove me wrong because I would love to see this things for people transportation.
@@tarant315 He said there will be crush zones, which is the most important thing in collision. Severity of impact depends on speed and the distance where that speed comes to zero. Feet first in real impact helps nothing. It just make huge stresses to spine. Humand starts to get severe damages in about 30g acceleration and have high propability of death in 75. To soften 30g impact, legs would need to support 30 times of body weight and activate the force in milliseconds. In pratice, they don’t do nothing. In safe impact, cabin needs to maintain shape and have as long deacceleration distance as possible. Abandoning traditional safety requirements don’t necessary mean the vehicle is unsafe. There are other things that matter too. In Aptera and front collision, wheels absorb the impact first and then there are crush structure on nose. Also driving position matters. There are also no engine at the front which could crush you. The mass itself don’t provide safety. It is kind of selfish way to gain false safety. It protects you in impact against lighter vehicle but in generally don’t add safety.
Wow @Tero Piispala, exactly ditto for me! I have a 10' 2,200 lbs pop-up trailer requiring my 2015 Outback to pull, and I live in cold/wet/sometimes snowy-icy/ potholed Vancouver, BC.. Yet I placed a reservation on a 400kwh model with full panels and off-road pkg. I need to make 1-2 annual treks to LA, CA, and intend to use the Aptera for this trek, and for a daily driver in Vancouver unless weather forces me to to use the Outback. Plan to use 110 a/c outlet at home to keep at 80% charge level (unless Aptera switches to LFP battery chemistry by the time I get it - in which case they'll probably suggest maintaining 100% full charge). I don't anticipate them getting to my reservation until likely 2024 or 2025. (I wouldn't surprised if they collapsed again (like in 2012). But I agree/like the Aptera approach/concept so much I'm gonna stick with them as long as they last. (I build both low-rolling resistance sub 19lbs bikes and also an e-bike DIY'er - making my own power packs. Aptera's approach to range anxiety and power grid problem by focusing on rolling resistance, weight, and power management are the same issues with e-bikes too.
Sandy said the target customers age is 18 to 75. I'm 87 and have an Aptera reservation. I expect delivery when I'm 89 or 90 (if I'm still among the living!). I have a 21 Tesla model Y and the Aptera looks like an ideal 2nd car.
the Amptera is super looking and if the ride and handling is as good as it promises .. then there has to be a niche market slot for it to be a huge success. I wish them every success.
Living through winter in Michigan right now. Sad that I'm not able to take out the e-bike. There's something just so satisfying and addicting about having 2 wheels and a throttle!
The Hustler series by William Towns had large sliding glass doors. Later models were the best with the six wheel Huntsman and Highlander models especially well proportioned.
Powering Aptera using the Tesla plug and network would be a major deal for Tesla. It would sell quite a few more powerwalls and the minor amount of charging that an Aptera needs could be easily done on a Tesla Fast charger in an hour or so. The amount of energy that an Aptera gets from a Tesla Supercharger would be 100+ miles in an hour of charging. For some drivers, they will never need to plug in a fully solar covered Aptera. If you average less than 30 miles a day, you will likely have a full battery all the time. Personally, I don't need the 1000 mile battery pack, but it is awesome that it is an option. Can't wait to start seeing these cars on the road!
@@benjaminmeusburger4254 i think i am in the same boat. I prob wont order the 1st generation but will def look into this car in 2024 or 25. best of luck if you get it
I have owned a 24kwh 2011 Nissan Leaf for a long time .. The Leaf is my go to transport for local shopping and coffee morning treats. with a bit of battery degradation an overnight charge gives me 110 km on Eco setting . The Amptera would almost certainly open up the possibility for affordable longer journeys .. The suspension glimpse reminded me of a Lotus two seat spaceframe kit car.Marketed 30 years ago by some ex Lotus engineers .
There is plenty of demand for this type of EV. If it can be produced at a lower price, then it (and probable knock-offs) will be a huge success in the 3rd World and perhaps increase charging access for all EVs. Safer and more suited to inclement weather than open motorbikes or tri-wheelers. I was also intrigued by Foxconn looking into taking over Byton, which may end up being a potential manufacturer for an Apple-branded auto or auto that includes Apple-branded tech (given Foxconn's role as the manufacturer of Apple's phones). Looking forward to your thoughts on that, too.
How do I tell you before I'm from Jamaica and I'm following up at this car it's a great job you guys are doing it the next thing they should do put safety in it so when you going to look into a next vehicle it with automatic stop and then you guys can combine with the next car company that they call Lucy they have a great idea also but you guys is doing a great job if I have the money in Jamaica I will get one
Not that hard, really. Elio, for openers, is still gas powered, even if it does get over 80 mpg. Also the website talks about over 65,000 people putting money down on one, and a award for automotive startups awarded in 2015. But it doesn't talk about the number of cars delivered. It could barely mention its association with Roush, better known for tuning Ford Mustangs in a media release, and the last actual news story mentioned in their media area was during the 2016 election. The Elio website makes their idea look like a dead letter.
I wonder if they'll ever get it certified up here in Canada? Electrameccanica has been trying for years and even though they're a Canadian co. they're starting to sell in the US, but still can't in their home country.
If the electric motors for the drive wheels have the sensors that make stability control automatically accomplished, then this will be a safe car. I'm sure there will be more parts than the simple structure currently shown. It would appear to take all three wheels to manage cornering and braking. Other than that, the basic three-wheel vehicle looks like fun and a way to do all the very local driving without worry. Storage compartments of various types and aesthetically pleasing interior appearance will be quite important. I would suggest that a development of a cell phone like gadget for maps and conjunction with the car's brain to save money putting in some sort of expensive screen in the middle of the car. Developing an optimum size of screen should also be something that Sandy suggests. Love the anti-roll control as an information system. AF
There are technical reasons why British power sockets are different, mainly that in the UK we have a dedicated live wire so the orientation has to be set to ensure it is switched and fused. Most European countries have different varieties of the reversible 2 pin plug and yes it differs throughout Europe. Furthermore because in the UK we use ring mains, which was a measure to save copper, the plug itself has to have a fuse in it as the power outlet is capable of delivering more power than the appliance can take. However when it comes to EV chargers in Europe all are now standard, including all new Teslas. Now any chance the US will adopt that standard?
I thought Sandy Munro was informed but I have visited most countries in Europe and they all use the same domestic plug. The UK uses a different one but it is the safest system in the world. CCS and type 2 seem to be pretty standard these days, even Tesla has changed.
With the UK charging plug you've got it wrong! We mostly use type 2 and CCS the same as Europe 😁 even Tesla here uses a modified version of type 2 to charge with DC rapid as well, and you can even get some Tesla type 2 destination chargers that will charge any type 2 car, an example the Renault Zoe. I don't know where Sandy Munro is getting his information?
@@wholmes7177 I'm in the UK and have an adapter plug that converts to every socket in the world, I don't know why that would be a problem? The UK and Europe have the voltage, anyway, so that type of outlet charger should not be used on a regular basis as it can overload your electric wiring in your house.
@@markreed9853 He's right about the suggestion it's heavy, though. What you call "Type 2" often requires bringing the cable with you. What we call "Level 2" has a cable and J-1772 plug on it waiting for you at the chargepoint. In Canada and the U.S., the chargepoint always has the cable (except for Level 1, which is just a wall outlet the destination had provided for you). I wonder if your typical adaptor plug can reliably handle the kind of energy an e-car is sucking down?
Yeah this was settled, Tesla is the only holdout and only in North America. Some Chinese minis use a dumb 240VAC plug. that's the only variance. The real problems are #V2G communication through the plug.
Nearly all charge ports used in the UK are CCS like everyone else in Europe. The type of port is limited by the car not the country. I think that Nissan is the only exception to this. Although the Tesla port looks neater it looks like the world standard is likely to become CCS.
I liked this car when it was ICE powered. It's looking even better now. Though I like my ICEs this is undeniably cool. I think it looks awesome though it seems to be a love hate thing. One thing I noticed is that even McLaren took design inspiration from it!
The main reason why Honda Prelude had 4WS was to improve the Rapid Lane Change Maneuver in order to avoid rear end collisions. Also used to quicken low-speed turning and reversing in the parking lot. Electric off-road vehicles with AWS, have a selector switch for Front Only, Rear Only, Front/Rear Opposing, and Front/Rear Crab Sideways.
*ALEX* Any chance to *ASK* Sandy about the Aptera *WIDTH* ??? 88 inches / 2.23 meters. ONE of the *widest* production consumer vehicles to be available. *Usability Concerns* ??? Thanks!
Absolutely. I'm imagining these cars could really become the norm for certain situations, particularly hotter places with wider roads. They're very much for single/couples which makes one wonder how the principles would work on a vehicle for more people. And for carrying stuff. And in places like here, UK, where space is at a premium, roads are narrow, weather is awful. Or is it a niche that's quite specific? Hmmm It takes me back to my earlier musings where it's better to take the wind resistance out of the roads... ie long tubes where the air flow matches the traffic, probably on main roads only - autonomous vehicles on side roads, joining fast automated travel with no wind resistance.
Nobe had me till I saw predicted specs of Aptera. So practical for a single old retired guy that wants to travel in his retirement. I believe Monroe and Associates will give them great advice. The tesla charging option makes me think they may license more Tesla stuff(big positive). I am just afraid of being an early adopter. The practicalities of being in business neans compromise. I suspect not everything suggested will be adopted or properly executed. Makes me think about waiting 2 years. My ability to survive a $50k lemon is not so good. Still I will probably go for it though.
Aptera is the other electric vehicle that I'm excited about. I've often admitted my excitement for the Lucid Air, and the reasons for it, but this is too cool to ignore.
This is just the beginning. Imagine with more mature EV technology and solar cell improvement what would we get in the future. This Aptera sure looks futuristic and EV self charging too. What is not to like unless you are an ICE die hard fan. I am excited! Thanks to Tesla for getting the ball rolling. Shame on all other auto makers that pushed EV away in the past because of greed in profit with ICE.
many years ago I had a 3 wheeled reliant regal...the most fun car I have ever had.,..the aptera sure appeals to me. ...sounds like Yamaha have developed an in wheel motor that would be great for the aptera.
Aptera has even no gearbox, it's direct in-wheel drive from Elaphe. On the prototye, scroll buttons, turn signal and charge connector seem to be from Tesla I am eager to see production version. Efficiency, Almost 1/2 the weight, less frontal surface, and Cd = 0.13 and direct drive motor, no gearbox. It a combination of all those things
Depends on the market. In central Texas, where every other vehicle is a pickup, and every third vehicle is a 3/4-ton or bigger pickup, a collision in this little teardrop is a death sentence for anyone in it. That's just a hard fact.
I don't think so. I own an 1800 lb Gen 1 Honda Insight and was hit from behind by a large car at 60 mph. I was uninjured. The Aptera has several qualities that will make even safer in a similar event.
So don't collide. I've been rear-ended by drunken women and a moronic guy at a construction stop. And have never been involved in a moving accident, though I have crossed TX at 95 - couldn't go any faster (and caught & passed by my 63year-old mother) - and other states., and had the excessive tickets. It is learning to drive while knowing the pickup morons are out to getcha, that may make the difference.
US, China, Japan seem to be doing different things. Everyone else is using type 2 and CCS as a standard, Tesla even use it as a standard outside of America. As for the British 3 pin plug, it's used in a fair few places around the world and pretty much the best safety wise.
In most cases car ride 1-2 people so better aerodynamics is great. Less material for body, better aerodynamics means less battery, in the end its cheaper...like it
Come on Sandy, you know better than that! In England we have Rapid Charging with the international standard "Combined Charging Standard" usually referred to as just CCS used throughout Europe and that incorporates the Type 2 AC connector along with the Rapid Charging DC connector (not the US Centric Combo type 1 and DC used in the US market) At 14:45 in the video I think you are referring to the ChadeMo Rapid Charging connector which was first used in the UK and US of course, on the Gen 1 Nisan LEAF and is a Japanise connector. LEAF being the only volume produce EV from 2011 had CadeMo for 50kW charging and the old Type 1 as also used in the US market for 240v AC slow charging (originally 3.2kW later Fart 7kW). The First network of Rapid Chargers rolled out in the UK at Motorway (Highway) by Ecotricity as "Electric Highway" was partly sponsored by the Renault/Nissan Alliance and supported both ChadeMo DC at 50kW for Nissan LEAF and AC 43kW 3 Phase for the Renault Zoe. Both these standards are deployed in UK yes but also in Europe supporting Early adopters. But all new models in UK and Europ alike generally have DC as standard 9there are a few exceptions) and DC Rapid from 50 to 350kW CCS.
Sandy was not talking about the CCS plug but the household plug that can be found in England. This plug is bigger than you electric shavers !!! I know, the plug is very safe, the ground pin is longer so this plug is used to open a shutter to protect the pins so a kid could not insert a wire inside the socket and get an electrical shock. Also there is a fuse inside the plug explaining why tis plug is so big. By opposition, the 110 V plug used in Japan and the 120 V plug used in USA are very tiny, about the size of my thumb.
Aptera plans to use widely available P195/45R16 size tires. (this could change slightly with the results of performance testing). Tire changing is done by unclipping the wheel pants and unbolting the wheels, just like with any car, -probably with the need to disconnect a coolant line and electrical lines before removing them. When this is done, it would probably be a good idea to replace the wheel seals as well. We will know a lot more about this as time goes on. The only other maintenance besides tires will be windshield wipers, windshield washer fluid, and likely a safety inspection every 150,000 miles or so, with possible replacement of the cooling solutions (antifreeze) at that time. I plan to carry a tire plug kit and 12 volt air pump for temporary repair, just as I did on my motorcycle road trips. Safety has been just as strong a focus on the design as aerodynamics. Here is a quote from their FAQ: "We will not know Aptera's actual rating until we pass a production vehicle through the full safety test. But we are designing to exceed all passenger car standards and the previous version had the highest roof crush strength of all passenger cars on the road, and it performed exceedingly well in actual side and frontal crash tests. Aptera features a Formula One-inspired safety cell with advanced composites and metal structures for impact strength. Similar to aerospace and racing, these energy-absorbing methods are a core part of our safety strategy and have proven effective time and time again in high speed impacts." I currently drive a Gen 1 Honda Insight that weighs about the same 1800 lbs as the 40 kWh pack Aptera. My first one protected me without injury when I was hit from behind at 60 mph by a large car on the highway.. I expect the Aptera will be even safer in such an event, and the Safety Pilot option might even protect me from such an event entirely.
Aptera has brought back the ev excitement that's was been lost by the numerous SUV EVs launchs
Age 18 to 75? .... I am going on 77 and have stage 4 cancer... and I have 5 orders in for it! As a grandfather (3 grandkids) I see this as the future of PERSONAL transport. I want them all to have one. (And I want one also... with a spare).
Your a good man take care Sir..
God Bless!
@Jack Ophelott Ditto!
It would be nice, but this car has been in the making since the early 2000's. Millions of Americans
have placed deposits with this company for a car that was never manufactured.
Just saying. Too bad the government doesn't get a hold of this, and make it into
mass production so the average Joe can afford a car for under $10,000.00. With
over 300 million people in America, that should be feasable.
Best of luck to you my friend. God Bless and take care
I see Aptera as being the most reasonable 3-wheeler project to succeed. It's the front-runner.
It has to succeed, it's the only way that we remove reliance on gas
An interviewer who actually asks interesting questions. A rare species.
I am very excited about Aptera. I want one and almost signed up for one. Need to wait for my car leases to end. I’m 71 and seems safe for urban driving.
Sign up soon. There is a long waiting list so you probably wouldn’t get it for another two years.
Why does having an existing car lease stop you signing up now? That makes no sense....
That’s cool the body actually has the highest crush strength of any car currently on the market I don’t know if they met armored cars but that’s a different animal anyway that’s custom more or less the standard cars is supposedly the strongest body so I’d say it’s safe on the highway in the urban whatever good luck with your purchase
Great Interview with Mr Munro. Really appreciate the sober discussion about the pros and cons of three wheel motorcycles like Aptera. Most others seems to buy it to all the sale fluff.
Wish Aptera good luck and with Monro onboard they have a better chance.
Aptera's entrance with their huge range and superior aerodynamics really puts pressure on Arcimoto. It's going to force Arcimoto further down the path they've been heading to powersports territory. Aptera will be truly capable of going cross-country. Arcimoto will be for in-town and get trailered for road trips. Nobe & Bricklin will be low production-volume high-end toys.
In my state the Aptera is considered an Autocycle which does not require a motorcycle license nor a helmet in that regards either.
I was already very interested in the Aptera and having Sandy involved just makes it greater.
Exited about the reboot of Aptera. I ordered mid range model in black and got all the solar covering whole car. I was going to build an EV conversion but the cost is the same now.
The exact same, except I also have the Cybertruck on order, which will be sitting next to my Aptera.
It's my hope that some of the technology employed for formula 1 safety makes its way into Aptera like vehicles. Reducing the safety concerns of small lightweight vehicles will make them more 'attractive', hence yield a larger market; thus more likely successful.
After already has the strongest body of any car currently being manufactured stronger than any of them extremely safe
I’m 78 and configured my Aptera last week. I’m kinda leery about riding my Zero or SurRon to the max but I’m a kid @ heart. I love your interviews with Sandy and Tom. I’ve been a subscriber since the algorithm put you in front of me. Keep up the great videos/interviews.
Excellent interview. Another reason Aptera has such high efficiency is its 0.15 aerodynamic drag coefficient.
I've heard 1.1 and 1.3
@@CuulX can't be over 1. Unless you would drive backwards.
@@loungelizard836 I meant 0.11 and 0.13
oops
@@CuulX 1.1 is like a brick wall xD
I SO love with Sandy and Rich are on the show!
Love the look of that Aptera! and I really hope we get them in the UK...
A true bombshell emerges around 23:17 that someone invented "solar PV paint" and but was never able to get financing and ended up killing himself.
Sad, killing self coz of failing to cope, i hope advances in psyche science lead to preventing this tragedy. Let’s all pray that we get wisdom from Bible- basic instructions before leaving earth🙏😇
@@dina0819 No thanks.
Sad
Does anyone really believe the guy killed himself. It’s like the three farmers here in the state of Washington that came up with a system for making fuel just as everything was about to takeoff for some mysterious reason they all three had accidents and we’re dead and suddenly all their stuff kind of just disappeared into the woodwork equipment plans
@@gregkelmis2435 what was the names of the farmers, their company and the process?
This car is more exciting to me than any other EV, I just wish they'll also bring out the rear seating option asap.
Think there is restrictions that only allow a single passenger on vehicles like Aptera.
@@DuesenbergJ That'll be a bummer
@@DuesenbergJ It's a two seater.
No way to make a rear seating 'option'. That would be a completely different vehicle. Not saying that they won't do that, but expect years, not months.
@@CorwynGC Yea I'm hoping rear seating for one person, maybe two
Slowly but steadily this channel is approaching 100k subscribers. Good job, Alex. Keep up!
I'm 77 and I want one. Of course I want a Cybertruck too. I drove my Model 3 across country this summer and would love to drive an EV with 1000 mile range. I admit, I'm torn.
The cybertruk is a energy hog compared to the efficient aptera. I do not understan this american thing about my truck is biggerthan yours....
@@timjoe62 For something like a limo service, Cybertruck can hold 5 passengers. For companies that tow a trailer, Cybertruck can outperform a pickup truck for much lower energy costs. Imagine 4 trucks going from $500/week for fuel to $100/week electric. That business just saved $1600 per week and stops a huge amount of pollution. Is Cybertruck overkill for a daily driver compared to Aptera? Sure, but it's still twice as good as a smaller ICE vehicle.
I put $100 on my Cybertruck reservation in 2019 and $100 on Aptera in 2022. Whichever gets to my market first wins. I want both, but I’ll let the competition decide.
@@Avenger24601 I want both too but can only afford one. I live up in the mountains though, and the Cybertruck meets my needs, especially if I can get a snowplow for it. Then I'll be a 1 vehicle family, one of my goals. My wife died 3 years ago so I'm down to the Model 3 and my Tundra which does my hauling and snow removal. My girlfriend bought a new Model S and we've been traveling in it. It's a great car, but I'm pretty sure that I wouldn't really notice much difference between it and a new Model 3 other than the $50k difference in price. The one thing I really like about the S is the heated steering wheel. The FSD is great too but I have that on my 2018 Model 3.
Love it... two behind my RV. 1000 mi + solar when out in the Utah outback is great. OBTW I am 77.
I always think of Scruffy (from Futurama) when I see Sandy.
Alex, I just want one .. I think it was back in 2006 or 2007 I first see this car and wanted it and now with all them better design changes I just want one even more . yes I don’t need one just want one lol.. hope they get to production this time around .. good 👍 content Alex keep them coming..
This definitely has potential, especially with the range and price. These would be a tremendous solution for mass transportation b/c of its efficiency. Most travel is singular or with a partner (rarely ever do people actually use more than 2 seats), so hopefully it's a success.
Also, Tesla scrapping a 3-wheeler when they're betting the farm on autonomy and mass transport?! MISTAKE
Tesla market is further up the scale. Right now, low cost three wheelers don’t suit their narrative. But they could support the small guys with motors and batteries.
I wouldn’t say it’s a mistake. There needs to be different companies doing different things and this is good!
Nice idea..looks cool.About time.My only concern is crash test..it doesn't look safe..people don't look properly on the road.But I wish the progressive idea..good luck.Its time has come ?!!!
Hey! How about a link to the three wheeled Tesla video or even photos?
I highlighted and right clicked on "three wheeled Tesla" from your comment to search on Ecosia for that term. Not much luck. You might have to try multiple search engines. I even dug through a forum thread from 2008-2011 and there were many pictures posted of other 3-wheelers of the time (crazy to see old Arcimoto prototypes) but nothing from Tesla.
The only evidence of a three-wheeled Tesla that Sandy mentions is a video he saw on the internet. Just say'n...
He's probably referring to AC propulsion tzero which was before elon absorbed AC propulsion and eventually turned it into tesla
@@sulimanTC Those three cars had four wheels. One remains.
@@unclegeorge7845 I stand corrected it was 4 wheels. Idk why I remember the tzero being a 3 wheeler for some reason
I'm very interested about this vehicle. I have said many times we could make really efficent and lightweight vehicle if we'd abandon traditional crash safety measures and build the body the aerodynamic drag in main driving factor.
It apears that Aptera is doing exactly that but even better than I have anticipated. It sounds amazing they can fit 100kwh battery into it.
I'd really like to get this into my everyday vehicle, but little suspicious how it performs in winter conditions. Scraping it's curved windows, heating and the grip may not be optimum. I'd also need to have another vehicle to pull my trailer.
Still I can't stop thinking of getting one every time I see it.
"abandon traditional crash safety measures"
The fact they don't have to obey to these safety measures makes me nervous.
There is always the ability to let go of the handle bar and jump on a bike but feet first into a wall?!
Prove me wrong because I would love to see this things for people transportation.
@@tarant315 He said there will be crush zones, which is the most important thing in collision. Severity of impact depends on speed and the distance where that speed comes to zero.
Feet first in real impact helps nothing. It just make huge stresses to spine. Humand starts to get severe damages in about 30g acceleration and have high propability of death in 75. To soften 30g impact, legs would need to support 30 times of body weight and activate the force in milliseconds. In pratice, they don’t do nothing.
In safe impact, cabin needs to maintain shape and have as long deacceleration distance as possible. Abandoning traditional safety requirements don’t necessary mean the vehicle is unsafe. There are other things that matter too.
In Aptera and front collision, wheels absorb the impact first and then there are crush structure on nose. Also driving position matters. There are also no engine at the front which could crush you.
The mass itself don’t provide safety. It is kind of selfish way to gain false safety. It protects you in impact against lighter vehicle but in generally don’t add safety.
Sacrifice on safety the body is the strongest body of any vehicle currently on the market very safe vehicle
Wow @Tero Piispala, exactly ditto for me! I have a 10' 2,200 lbs pop-up trailer requiring my 2015 Outback to pull, and I live in cold/wet/sometimes snowy-icy/ potholed Vancouver, BC.. Yet I placed a reservation on a 400kwh model with full panels and off-road pkg. I need to make 1-2 annual treks to LA, CA, and intend to use the Aptera for this trek, and for a daily driver in Vancouver unless weather forces me to to use the Outback. Plan to use 110 a/c outlet at home to keep at 80% charge level (unless Aptera switches to LFP battery chemistry by the time I get it - in which case they'll probably suggest maintaining 100% full charge). I don't anticipate them getting to my reservation until likely 2024 or 2025. (I wouldn't surprised if they collapsed again (like in 2012). But I agree/like the Aptera approach/concept so much I'm gonna stick with them as long as they last. (I build both low-rolling resistance sub 19lbs bikes and also an e-bike DIY'er - making my own power packs. Aptera's approach to range anxiety and power grid problem by focusing on rolling resistance, weight, and power management are the same issues with e-bikes too.
22:09 yeah you can do that. It needs vehicle with big roof surface and really good aerodynamics. That is why it works really well on aptera
And it needs to be light weight too
Sandy said the target customers age is 18 to 75. I'm 87 and have an Aptera reservation. I expect delivery when I'm 89 or 90 (if I'm still among the living!). I have a 21 Tesla model Y and the Aptera looks like an ideal 2nd car.
Almost 77 and excited about my Aptera.
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@@unclegeorge7845 why not?
17:18 Aptera efficiency announced is 10 miles / kWh, the Tesla Model 3 efficiency is about 4 miles / kWh. !!!!
I wish the company well. If the Aptera preforms as advertised this will be a game changer. I may not be the first to buy one, but I’m interested.
standardization of charging plugs would make a large leap ahead even for someone like me that cant afford a new ev
Sany Munro speaks the real! He is the working persons role model! Love Ya Munro! Stay Raw and honest and we will follow.
the Amptera is super looking and if the ride and handling is as good as it promises .. then there has to be a niche market slot for it to be a huge success. I wish them every success.
I want this for my daily driver and a Cybertruck for a hauler.
That's exactly what I'm thinking
I'm a 64 year old male but I have a deposit down on one. I can't wait as in MN my motorcycle season is only 8 months long.
Living through winter in Michigan right now. Sad that I'm not able to take out the e-bike. There's something just so satisfying and addicting about having 2 wheels and a throttle!
The Hustler series by William Towns had large sliding glass doors. Later models were the best with the six wheel Huntsman and Highlander models especially well proportioned.
Powering Aptera using the Tesla plug and network would be a major deal for Tesla. It would sell quite a few more powerwalls and the minor amount of charging that an Aptera needs could be easily done on a Tesla Fast charger in an hour or so. The amount of energy that an Aptera gets from a Tesla Supercharger would be 100+ miles in an hour of charging.
For some drivers, they will never need to plug in a fully solar covered Aptera. If you average less than 30 miles a day, you will likely have a full battery all the time.
Personally, I don't need the 1000 mile battery pack, but it is awesome that it is an option. Can't wait to start seeing these cars on the road!
Britain uses the same charging standards as Europe, type 2 with CCS & CHAdeMO for rapid charging.
Great Video, thank you.
It would be nice if you put chapters in.
My next motorcycle will be an Aptera. I've put the deposit in and am saving up now.
Alex, you should do an update! They’re making serious progress.
I like this car because it's uncompromisingly optimized for efficiency. If it would not be to expensive, i would prefer it to all other EVs.
I'm pretty sure the price is 25k, and after the EV rebate, it can be had for as low as 18K. It's a steal
@@dmitriskiba4361 it really is when you consider that you’ll spend a few hundred dollars a year on charging compared to thousands for ice
@@shake6321 tbh i wouldn't even need regular charging since I only drive
@@benjaminmeusburger4254 i think i am in the same boat. I prob wont order the 1st generation but will def look into this car in 2024 or 25. best of luck if you get it
Aptera has great potential but their greatest challenge lies ahead - high volume, high quality manufacturing. I'll be watching this space.
I have owned a 24kwh 2011 Nissan Leaf for a long time .. The Leaf is my go to transport for local shopping and coffee morning treats. with a bit of battery degradation an overnight charge gives me 110 km on Eco setting . The Amptera would almost certainly open up the possibility for affordable longer journeys .. The suspension glimpse reminded me of a Lotus two seat spaceframe kit car.Marketed 30 years ago by some ex Lotus engineers .
There is plenty of demand for this type of EV. If it can be produced at a lower price, then it (and probable knock-offs) will be a huge success in the 3rd World and perhaps increase charging access for all EVs. Safer and more suited to inclement weather than open motorbikes or tri-wheelers. I was also intrigued by Foxconn looking into taking over Byton, which may end up being a potential manufacturer for an Apple-branded auto or auto that includes Apple-branded tech (given Foxconn's role as the manufacturer of Apple's phones). Looking forward to your thoughts on that, too.
Biton, Acrimoto, Aptera and the cancelled Elio...anything from India? Should be they do lots of three wheelers there.
I put a deposit down and will buy an Aptera because Munro is involved so it will be a very quality product.
Got it yet?
I'm 74 and totally stoked about this Aptera. BTW, how about active suspension like Polaris Dynamix.
I have a Black All Wheel Drive 400 mile unit on order. Full solar panels. Can't wait.
How do I tell you before I'm from Jamaica and I'm following up at this car it's a great job you guys are doing it the next thing they should do put safety in it so when you going to look into a next vehicle it with automatic stop and then you guys can combine with the next car company that they call Lucy they have a great idea also but you guys is doing a great job if I have the money in Jamaica I will get one
Sandy's comment at 12:10 about suspension stiffening was quite illuminating
Excellent video, thanks so much for posting.
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John.
The aptera is for ME! I love this car!
And just like that Aptera is more credible than Elio.
Not that hard, really. Elio, for openers, is still gas powered, even if it does get over 80 mpg. Also the website talks about over 65,000 people putting money down on one, and a award for automotive startups awarded in 2015. But it doesn't talk about the number of cars delivered. It could barely mention its association with Roush, better known for tuning Ford Mustangs in a media release, and the last actual news story mentioned in their media area was during the 2016 election. The Elio website makes their idea look like a dead letter.
It's not credible until it actually produces cars. I lost money with Elio Motors and learned my lesson.
Holy crap, Aptera’s back! It’s been what, 8 years?
I wonder if they'll ever get it certified up here in Canada? Electrameccanica has been trying for years and even though they're a Canadian co. they're starting to sell in the US, but still can't in their home country.
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If the electric motors for the drive wheels have the sensors that make stability control automatically accomplished, then this will be a safe car. I'm sure there will be more parts than the simple structure currently shown. It would appear to take all three wheels to manage cornering and braking. Other than that, the basic three-wheel vehicle looks like fun and a way to do all the very local driving without worry. Storage compartments of various types and aesthetically pleasing interior appearance will be quite important. I would suggest that a development of a cell phone like gadget for maps and conjunction with the car's brain to save money putting in some sort of expensive screen in the middle of the car. Developing an optimum size of screen should also be something that Sandy suggests. Love the anti-roll control as an information system. AF
There are technical reasons why British power sockets are different, mainly that in the UK we have a dedicated live wire so the orientation has to be set to ensure it is switched and fused. Most European countries have different varieties of the reversible 2 pin plug and yes it differs throughout Europe. Furthermore because in the UK we use ring mains, which was a measure to save copper, the plug itself has to have a fuse in it as the power outlet is capable of delivering more power than the appliance can take. However when it comes to EV chargers in Europe all are now standard, including all new Teslas. Now any chance the US will adopt that standard?
18 year old here, considering one as my first car if I don’t need a car already this summer.
I am so excited that i almost forgot to like the video :D
guys the v w bug had no extras and 36 hp when it started .the population is waiting . the market is just huge.
I thought Sandy Munro was informed but I have visited most countries in Europe and they all use the same domestic plug. The UK uses a different one but it is the safest system in the world. CCS and type 2 seem to be pretty standard these days, even Tesla has changed.
My only question is when? If you reserve today is it a 2 year wait?
With the UK charging plug you've got it wrong! We mostly use type 2 and CCS the same as Europe 😁 even Tesla here uses a modified version of type 2 to charge with DC rapid as well, and you can even get some Tesla type 2 destination chargers that will charge any type 2 car, an example the Renault Zoe. I don't know where Sandy Munro is getting his information?
Sandy was talking about the domestic plugs in Europe not car charging where CCS-2 is now the standard.
@@wholmes7177 I'm in the UK and have an adapter plug that converts to every socket in the world, I don't know why that would be a problem? The UK and Europe have the voltage, anyway, so that type of outlet charger should not be used on a regular basis as it can overload your electric wiring in your house.
@@markreed9853 He's right about the suggestion it's heavy, though. What you call "Type 2" often requires bringing the cable with you. What we call "Level 2" has a cable and J-1772 plug on it waiting for you at the chargepoint. In Canada and the U.S., the chargepoint always has the cable (except for Level 1, which is just a wall outlet the destination had provided for you).
I wonder if your typical adaptor plug can reliably handle the kind of energy an e-car is sucking down?
Yeah this was settled, Tesla is the only holdout and only in North America. Some Chinese minis use a dumb 240VAC plug. that's the only variance. The real problems are #V2G communication through the plug.
Looking forward to the AWD, full solar panel Silver Color after placing my order yesterday.
I am 83 and have ordered mine.
How to invest in Aptera?
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Hi, What do you think about SONDORS? Are they operational and serious?
Nearly all charge ports used in the UK are CCS like everyone else in Europe. The type of port is limited by the car not the country. I think that Nissan is the only exception to this. Although the Tesla port looks neater it looks like the world standard is likely to become CCS.
In Europe, we have a common charge plug for EV. It is Type2+CCS. Tesla is using a Type2 plug.
Thank you both
I liked this car when it was ICE powered. It's looking even better now. Though I like my ICEs this is undeniably cool. I think it looks awesome though it seems to be a love hate thing. One thing I noticed is that even McLaren took design inspiration from it!
It shifted from being a documentary to a straight up AD for switch
@@valienterf this is a difficult question😂
Formula 1 modeler safety design is very safe at very high speeds.
The main reason why Honda Prelude had 4WS was to improve the Rapid Lane Change Maneuver in order to avoid rear end collisions. Also used to quicken low-speed turning and reversing in the parking lot.
Electric off-road vehicles with AWS, have a selector switch for Front Only, Rear Only, Front/Rear Opposing, and Front/Rear Crab Sideways.
The Aptera also has differential steering, including tank turns.
*ALEX* Any chance to *ASK* Sandy about the Aptera *WIDTH* ??? 88 inches / 2.23 meters. ONE of the *widest* production consumer vehicles to be available. *Usability Concerns* ??? Thanks!
These would be awesome for Australia with its abundance of sun.
Absolutely. I'm imagining these cars could really become the norm for certain situations, particularly hotter places with wider roads. They're very much for single/couples which makes one wonder how the principles would work on a vehicle for more people. And for carrying stuff. And in places like here, UK, where space is at a premium, roads are narrow, weather is awful. Or is it a niche that's quite specific? Hmmm
It takes me back to my earlier musings where it's better to take the wind resistance out of the roads... ie long tubes where the air flow matches the traffic, probably on main roads only - autonomous vehicles on side roads, joining fast automated travel with no wind resistance.
Nobe had me till I saw predicted specs of Aptera. So practical for a single old retired guy that wants to travel in his retirement. I believe Monroe and Associates will give them great advice. The tesla charging option makes me think they may license more Tesla stuff(big positive). I am just afraid of being an early adopter. The practicalities of being in business neans compromise. I suspect not everything suggested will be adopted or properly executed. Makes me think about waiting 2 years. My ability to survive a $50k lemon is not so good. Still I will probably go for it though.
How durable are the motors in the wheel's hub? 💡the housing... concerns of moisture, dirt, debris, etc getting inside etc.
Aptera is the other electric vehicle that I'm excited about. I've often admitted my excitement for the Lucid Air, and the reasons for it, but this is too cool to ignore.
Have Aptera ever considered supplying the vehicle in kit form?
I can see another option possible : Panels on the doors. With them open, the extra surface area would be a big boost.
This is just the beginning. Imagine with more mature EV technology and solar cell improvement what would we get in the future. This Aptera sure looks futuristic and EV self charging too. What is not to like unless you are an ICE die hard fan.
I am excited! Thanks to Tesla for getting the ball rolling. Shame on all other auto makers that pushed EV away in the past because of greed in profit with ICE.
many years ago I had a 3 wheeled reliant regal...the most fun car I have ever had.,..the aptera sure appeals to me. ...sounds like Yamaha have developed an in wheel motor that would be great for the aptera.
Aptera has even no gearbox, it's direct in-wheel drive from Elaphe.
On the prototye, scroll buttons, turn signal and charge connector seem to be from Tesla
I am eager to see production version.
Efficiency, Almost 1/2 the weight, less frontal surface, and Cd = 0.13 and direct drive motor, no gearbox. It a combination of all those things
Two things revealed - a 3-wheeled tesla and solar paint. Interesting...
Why is no one talking about this guy mysteriously committing suicide after running into financial problems.
@@jasonelwoodhanna8021 Probably because it wasn't noteworthy or news worthy. Sandy may have been the only one who knew much about it.
@@keilan7896 I actually heard about this paint thing in a science article a few years back it has been talked about
I saw a picture of the three-wheeled Tesla once or twice, but that was it. I do see a few articles relating to it when searching for it.
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I really ope the Nobe will make it into production. It's so damn beautiful!
Very informative
"Right Chumlee"
Haha
This car is amazing!
Great to know what Sandy thinks of the latest Aptera in 2022
That's what he thought in 2021 - pretty quiet in 22.
Is Aptera on the stock market? If so what is the stock ticker?
Depends on the market. In central Texas, where every other vehicle is a pickup, and every third vehicle is a 3/4-ton or bigger pickup, a collision in this little teardrop is a death sentence for anyone in it. That's just a hard fact.
I don't think so. I own an 1800 lb Gen 1 Honda Insight and was hit from behind by a large car at 60 mph. I was uninjured. The Aptera has several qualities that will make even safer in a similar event.
So don't collide. I've been rear-ended by drunken women and a moronic guy at a construction stop. And have never been involved in a moving accident, though I have crossed TX at 95 - couldn't go any faster (and caught & passed by my 63year-old mother) - and other states., and had the excessive tickets. It is learning to drive while knowing the pickup morons are out to getcha, that may make the difference.
UK uses the same charging standards as the rest of the EU
US, China, Japan seem to be doing different things. Everyone else is using type 2 and CCS as a standard, Tesla even use it as a standard outside of America. As for the British 3 pin plug, it's used in a fair few places around the world and pretty much the best safety wise.
The SAE did develop a common charging standard with everyone's input, including Tesla. Then Tesla went and used a different one. Just because.
In most cases car ride 1-2 people so better aerodynamics is great. Less material for body, better aerodynamics means less battery, in the end its cheaper...like it
Of course, the British plug is the best and the safest. We have higher voltages here, so we need heavier duty and safer hardware.
Come on Sandy, you know better than that! In England we have Rapid Charging with the international standard "Combined Charging Standard" usually referred to as just CCS used throughout Europe and that incorporates the Type 2 AC connector along with the Rapid Charging DC connector (not the US Centric Combo type 1 and DC used in the US market) At 14:45 in the video I think you are referring to the ChadeMo Rapid Charging connector which was first used in the UK and US of course, on the Gen 1 Nisan LEAF and is a Japanise connector. LEAF being the only volume produce EV from 2011 had CadeMo for 50kW charging and the old Type 1 as also used in the US market for 240v AC slow charging (originally 3.2kW later Fart 7kW). The First network of Rapid Chargers rolled out in the UK at Motorway (Highway) by Ecotricity as "Electric Highway" was partly sponsored by the Renault/Nissan Alliance and supported both ChadeMo DC at 50kW for Nissan LEAF and AC 43kW 3 Phase for the Renault Zoe. Both these standards are deployed in UK yes but also in Europe supporting Early adopters. But all new models in UK and Europ alike generally have DC as standard 9there are a few exceptions) and DC Rapid from 50 to 350kW CCS.
Sandy was not talking about the CCS plug but the household plug that can be found in England.
This plug is bigger than you electric shavers !!! I know, the plug is very safe, the ground pin is longer so this plug is used to open a shutter to protect the pins
so a kid could not insert a wire inside the socket and get an electrical shock. Also there is a fuse inside the plug explaining why tis plug is so big.
By opposition, the 110 V plug used in Japan and the 120 V plug used in USA are very tiny, about the size of my thumb.
can you comment on safety and maintenance; e.g., how do you change the tires?
Aptera plans to use widely available P195/45R16 size tires. (this could change slightly with the results of performance testing). Tire changing is done by unclipping the wheel pants and unbolting the wheels, just like with any car, -probably with the need to disconnect a coolant line and electrical lines before removing them. When this is done, it would probably be a good idea to replace the wheel seals as well. We will know a lot more about this as time goes on. The only other maintenance besides tires will be windshield wipers, windshield washer fluid, and likely a safety inspection every 150,000 miles or so, with possible replacement of the cooling solutions (antifreeze) at that time.
I plan to carry a tire plug kit and 12 volt air pump for temporary repair, just as I did on my motorcycle road trips.
Safety has been just as strong a focus on the design as aerodynamics. Here is a quote from their FAQ:
"We will not know Aptera's actual rating until we pass a production vehicle through the full safety test. But we are designing to exceed all passenger car standards and the previous version had the highest roof crush strength of all passenger cars on the road, and it performed exceedingly well in actual side and frontal crash tests. Aptera features a Formula One-inspired safety cell with advanced composites and metal structures for impact strength. Similar to aerospace and racing, these energy-absorbing methods are a core part of our safety strategy and have proven effective time and time again in high speed impacts."
I currently drive a Gen 1 Honda Insight that weighs about the same 1800 lbs as the 40 kWh pack Aptera. My first one protected me without injury when I was hit from behind at 60 mph by a large car on the highway.. I expect the Aptera will be even safer in such an event, and the Safety Pilot option might even protect me from such an event entirely.
Howdy , living in Australia , I’d like to ask … does it have a heater and air conditioning , ?
Yes, both. It is spec'd to perform in ambient conditions from -20 to 125 F.