Hikaru Nakamura teaches chess to Lex Fridman
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Hikaru Nakamura is a chess super grandmaster and is currently the #1 ranked blitz chess player in the world. He is also one of the top chess streamers on Twitch and UA-cam.
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Guest bio: Hikaru Nakamura is a chess super grandmaster and is currently the #1 ranked blitz chess player in the world. He is also one of the top chess streamers on Twitch and UA-cam.
0:39 why capture the rook if checkmate is right there? :O
I feel like to answer the last question of the clip. The bot did thousands of calculations every second and decided that for now this was mathematically the safest move and has the most potential for future set up. I could be talking out my ass though.
Great Hikaru is attempting to train an AI how to play chess
Hasnt AI beaten champhions decades ago? already
This is the best comment ever
@@baqirhusain5652 it’s a joke
@@baqirhusain5652 he's a 100 rated AI
Did you see chatGPT play lol
0:38 Editor taking rook instead of mate in one, classic
I want the king to suffer psychologically as I eat all of his friends
Hell slowly kill everyone and then checkmate the king
@@ruslo_b yes there is, queen with the pawn checkmates after the king moved
@@ruslo_b The king didn’t move to c7 lol
when you see mate in 1, look for better
"The ability to play chess is the sign of a gentleman. The ability to play chess well is the sign of a wasted life"
- Paul Morphy
This one I've seen before it disturbed me
Well of course Morphy would say that...
Shut up and puch the pieces around paul
He said that because he had no one on his level during this time, infact, he felt as if he wasted his life because his parents wanted him to be something else
This quote is kind of outdated. Morphy said this because at that time (the 1800s) if you were really good at a board game like Chess you were seen as a loser because you weren't good at something that was gonna further society.
Hey Lex, I'd love to see a sit down with Yasser Seirawan while you're on this Chess binge. He's such a captivating story teller and has a world of experience of Chess from the days of Garry Kasparov and his ilk
Would be a great guest, I’d also like to see Naroditsky but Yasser would be legendary
Seirawan is the funniest guy, has tons of stories and has played at the highest leven. Great idea!
@@bvraeqvete Lex has already interviewed Kasparov.
Would love for him to sit down with Eric Hansen
@@booni5114 although Eric seems like the coolest guy to hang out with, Idk if he'd be of great relevance.
Lex's folks utilizing the "make content, then slice the content into smaller content" thing. Good job, team. Thousands and thousands of views.
He learned from Rogan and JRE Clips
Danaher Clips Danaher Clips Danaher Clips
@@jaytorr6701 Andrew Schultz was the og
@@jaytorr6701 honestly i would have expected clips from podcasts to trend immediately, cause most people simply don't have time to watch entire podcasts
@@ImHeadshotSniper I watch most clips but never watched anything on the main channel lol
Best thing I’ve learned in chess came from Mikhail Tal quotes. “You must take your opponent into a deep dark forest where 2+2=5, and the path leading out is only wide enough for one.” “There are two types of sacrifices: correct ones, and mine.”
what did you learn from them? They are more like inspirational and funny.
@@sriracha9729 1) Chess is more exciting 2) AlphaZero plays like Tal
@@sriracha9729 1) this is such a perfect example of chess, at the higher levels of chess, you are constantly trying to take your opponent out of the prep they know (bright forest) into somewhere they dont know/prep they dont know (dark forest). 2+2=5 meaning the conventual rules that everyone knows stop making sense, an example being knights at the edge of board being a better move only during circumstance, hell maybe even a knight on a corner being the best move.
"the path leading out is only for one" is self explanatory, but it just shows how some games are very aggressive, and other are very drawish, making the choice of you pushing for a win is also you being pulled for a loss.
an amazing quote. that really shows how beautiful chess is.
Proceeds to blunder the queen and a rook*
@@AltairCreedZ Ask Kasparov about his last match before Tal passed
Machine learning is one thing, machine explaining is another.
I asked ChatGPT this: Why is H2-H4 a good move in a chess opening?
In a chess opening, H2-H4 is a good move because it allows the knight to move to the more active f3 square. This move also helps support the pawn on the e4 square, creating a strong center for White. Additionally, H2-H4 can be used as part of a fianchetto, where the bishop is developed on the g2 square, which can lead to a strong kingside attack. Overall, H2-H4 is a useful move that helps White develop their pieces and create a strong position on the board.
Pretty decent explanation as far as I can tell.
@@marnixvlot1868
Yeah, that sounds pretty good.
What i meant by Machine Explaining though is...as A.I becomes more intelligent and more self aware will it always choose the best option that benefits the user or will it choose an option that benefits itself?
Decisions, decisions...
@@marnixvlot1868 It's actually pretty funny how bad of an explanation that is: pawn to H4 doesn't help the knight to move at all and blocks it from moving if anything, H4 is really far from E4 and I don't see how moving an edge pawn is strengthening the center, and if you move H2 you still can't move the bishop to F2 so everything it said is basically nonsensical
It's pretty interesting to look into the ways these chat AI's fail, since they're not designed to think like us or to reason or to come up with correct answers, but rather to write like we do. It often ends up with a lot of "Escher sentences", where at first glance it sounds like it makes sense until you think about it; for example, the sentence "more people have been to Germany than I have" makes literally no sense
Funny enough, it's these kinds of results/interactions that show the need for more emphasis on machine explanation like the OP was talking about. On being able to ask Chat-GPT why it thought that moving to H4 would help support E4. Of course, the real reason is just that it's mimicking how people talk about chess, but it itself wasn't trained to play. Unfortunately, explainable AI is far less developed and researched on right now, so we can't know for sure
@@diegotejada55 It's also interesting how they both thought is was a decent explanation. It highlights two problems as far as I can tell at the moment:
1. People are largely content with content that "sounds right" about a given subject.
2. The less a person knows about a subject, the higher the chances for number 1.
AI is amplifying this age of information, and we need critical thinking now more than ever.
This conversation makes me think about people today growing up with GPS. Listening to the maps voice telling one to turn right, drive for three miles, then turn left, and you will reach your destination. I used to study physical maps and figure out which way to go. This, to me, is the human element difference Hikaru is talking about.
In your case i think it makes you smarter because going from looking at the map to determining location and finding a path and remembering the path requires logical thinking almost as if you are a computer computing something. With automated voice instructions theres no logic
Chess is different because regardless of the approach whether that be ideas and plans vs calculation both require logical thinking
AI is making us dumber and eventually absolete
@@libertas12 I can flip the script and say that it gives us more room to think, at least in different areas.
@@Steven_Kiagiadakis Which areas?
@@blinkers88 Different areas from what the AI solves, for instance it can solve math problems for us, meanwhile we contemplate what music is and why we enjoy it, something that AI cannot do.
Or getting better at relationships, making deals, instructing the youth etc.
But there are areas where both us and the AI can be good at, at the same time, like pattern recognition, without us becoming worse because of the AI.
That cover image is on point. The added graphics are on point. All the points are on point as well.
You're on point on your points.
@@champ8605 good point
no the cover image of the board is wrong. they missed the castling for black
@@thegoonist point taken.
The board overlay graphic is incorrect, but A for effort.
3:58 Lex, your editor forgot to castle for black and the move h3 for white on the 2D board.
I woke up on Jan 1 2023 with an urge to learn chess. I can't explain it but yesterday morning I downloaded 2 apps and began watching house of UA-cam videos of chess for beginners. I don't know where this came from but I am having a blast and am now deep diving chess. It's a hobby to round out my list. So, Archery, Cigars, chess. I guess I'm just an old need but I always "wished I knew how to play chess" well, now I will.
I feel exactly the same way, Nakamura is the first player I gravitated to as well
Hey me too. I just started this year. If you want to play me let me know. I’m level 700
I had a seizure on Jan 23 this year (nothing serious) and the next morning, my mind felt so empty and at peace, but for some reason bettering my life was the first conscious thought and Chess was the first step in the right direction that my mind craved for some reason. I started playing, studying, I feel like I’m totally nerding out on it. Now I’m wondering if I downloaded the same 2 apps you did 😂
Thats great 👏
Oh, the same as me. I started around the same time. Now at 700
I try to never miss the opportunity to let a master teach the fundamentals of/in any skill or field, generally seems like a good idea.
Nakamura is so pedagogical. So understanding and does the ''tests'' just like a teacher would.
h4 is an underrated move because you're attacking the kingside and taking up space where there's plenty. If that gets up to h5-h7 in a way where it's protected and can't be attacked, it's close to making a new queen and can create many different issues as an attacking piece.
Chess is a puzzle that has a solution that changes with every move the other player makes
Fascinating interview. Thanks!
The board showing during the "class" is wrong, some pieces are in wrong positions
I noticed. The colors are reversed
Maybe pawn to H4 along the edge is the computer giving the other side another turn to play. It's calculated that any other move by the opponent results in a better position
If it was simply about giving the turn to opponent, surely you would want to push only one square forward. The fact that it's a two square move, it must be about tempo.
I would guess it's about tempo getting the pawn closer to promotion for the end game and it's still possible to defend the pawn if needed so it's not a gambit.
The Alpha GO movie is great for understanding how AI thinks. It transformed the approach to GO.
When they figured out its strange approach to the game they finally realised. AI doesn't care about winning by a huge margin. It figured out that winning by 1 point still means a win.
So, once it has pieces in place to win by 1 point, it can move on the another area of the board. Human players were concentrating on capturing as many pieces as they could, wasting time in an area while GO was setting them up for a loss in another area.
Moving the Pawn up along the edge makes no sense to a human thinking just 5, or 10 moves ahead, but AI probably figured out that it will help isolate the King in 25 moves, or at least shift the odds from 50:50, to 50.1:49.9 in its favour.
Glad you brought that movie up. I had never even heard of "GO." Great movie indeed.
LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 1:35 hikaru trying so hard not to laugh
Lex: Ok, but how do you actually play? What constitutes a move?
@Super Mario I know how to play, it was a joke in the voice of Lex.
@Super Mario wooooooosshhhhhh
@Super Mario you have to be trolling 😭😭
For how much of an uber dork Hikaru is in his streams, I’m always surprised at how down to earth and cool he is in situations like this interview, or like when he did the OTB chess hustler videos.
‘Uber dork’ you are definitely American 😂
@@BL4CK0UT17 you can use it 🙏🏼
@@StephenRahrig no I’d rather say he’s just a smart cunt 🤷🏼♂️😂
@@BL4CK0UT17 well being smart doesn’t make you a dork. He’s awkward asf with a nasally voice
@@StephenRahrig I’m British, we don’t use the word dork. I like Hikaru though, he’s a cool guy.
Did Lex just ask the computer to "show your working" ?
Maths teachers everywhere would be proud. LUL
Such a great conversation!!
pushing the pawn two squares on the side of the board makes sense because it gives you time to understand what your opponent is aiming for without showing your colors. It gives you also extra tempo in the late game
but its a highly committal move, pawns cant go backwards... so u better know dam well taht pushing it that far is positional not damaging in the future
8:24 Anatoly Karpov, a Russian grandmaster is known for making these moves. It is called, "prophylaxis" (a preventative move that counters your opponent's future moves). Magnus Carlsen started his openings this way sometimes.
He’s arm wrestling with Devin n Brzenk and learning chess with Hikaru.. well rounded
Main character stuff
@@roachies4242 indeed 🦸🏻♂️
Nice crossover.. Hikaru is an elite GM and teaches with patiente.. really interested in bringing knowledge
i think for me i have set opens where im looking to attack an area of the board and when that doesnt work which i know str8 away, i set up a defence and then kind of just wait for them to make an error
Chess is in the come up. Happy to be in the wave since i was young!
Lex one of the few who could actually interview someone like this and make it interesting
Actually in the discovered attack example that Lex added to win a rook, there's checkmate in 1 xD
Yeah, if the king does that, but it could've taken the pawn.
If you see M1, look for better, right?
I love how Hikaru is bringing expanding concepts back down to earth. Lex is working to over-conceptualize and Hikaru is like, “nah, I just got the reps in, lol.”
Deep "wisdom", explainability, statistical predictions .... Coming from computer science background can help but focus on these aspects and smile.
When i was younger without computers i would push the h pawn because my dad would alway castle and i realized the pawns on the edge of the board can be quite powerful because the king usually ends up in one of the corners and they can be very tricky
The chessboard overlay has the pieces in the the wrong position.
What are these pieces called that are on the board? Are those fischer ultimates?
Who set up the board didn’t transfer correctly missing h3 for white or 0-0 for black etc
how to be better chess player
1. always look for fork opportunity
2. recognize advantage patterns
3. put pieces in optimal square
4. castle-king shall be first priority
5. think to develop pieces (not pawn)
6. bring castle to center
7. find opponent pieces not in optimal square
8. use computer for ultimate move
9. just move pawn forward
I don't think those 2 chess boards match. I think you missed that black castled when you brought up the other board
8:00 what he’s doing is amazing. He’s reversing the game move my move.…
This is a dope lesson!
Has lex, or any guest, recommended any books on chess theory/techniques?
The crossover between poker and chess is very cool. I became a much better chess player when I thought much more deeply about what the opponent is trying to do and what he/she will most likely do next to achieve this. The exact same thing with poker.
He. Let's be real.
He/she? So how many times have you played with a different 'she' is real life
@@memo.a937 Twice.
@@cornelius8617?? There are many players of both genders
Here is chatGPT 4o’s explanation for why H4 is a fine move:
In the position shown in the video, Hikaru Nakamura is discussing why moving the pawn to h4 might be considered a good move despite seeming unconventional. This is an example of modern chess theory where computers have significantly influenced human understanding. Here are a few reasons why h4 could be considered a good move in this context:
1. **Opening Principles and Flexibility**: While traditionally the advice is to control the center with pawns, developing pieces, and ensuring king safety, modern engines sometimes prioritize piece activity and flexibility. The h4 move might prepare for future attacks on the kingside, potentially supporting an h5 push or opening lines for rooks.
2. **King's Safety and Aggression**: By pushing h4, White could be planning to castle queenside. This move can serve as a preparatory step for an aggressive kingside pawn storm. It signals White’s intention to launch a strong attack on the black king's position if Black castles kingside.
3. **Preventing g5**: The move h4 could be aimed at preventing Black from playing ...g5, which could disrupt White’s control of the center and potentially kick out a knight on f3. By playing h4, White is controlling the g5 square indirectly.
4. **Psychological Aspect**: Unconventional moves can put psychological pressure on opponents, especially if they are not well-versed in handling such positions. It can lead to errors if the opponent overreacts or misjudges the intention behind the move.
5. **Specific Tactical Ideas**: There might be specific tactical ideas that justify the move in this exact position, which aren't immediately obvious. Computers are excellent at finding deep tactical resources that might not be apparent to the human eye initially.
By analyzing the position more deeply with a chess engine, specific tactical nuances can be revealed that justify the move. Chess engines evaluate positions on a much deeper level, often seeing the long-term strategic potential of a move that humans might overlook at first glance.
I played chess from 4-6 with my dad who is between 1600-2200 and i always did that rook pawn jump because that pawn is protected and you can keep pushing it pressuring your enemy. at least in my mind. I dont do it now but back then i always did that and the queen pawn push as my 3 openings standard while my dad would move his horse/knight first
The set in this video is so nice
The virtual display wasn't synced with what was on the board. at 5min black already castled but the game screen still showed pre castling. weird.
This guy is asking such great questions, jesus
I think it does make sense, black bishop on f8 is blocked by e7 and d6, if you play g6 and then Bg7, white will have a faster contact with h5 treatening to open h file, blacks queen side is not safe for blacks king. And also, if blacks bishop wants to go to e7 you weaken d6 pawn. That´s sense I get from this h4 move, it also allows Rh3-g3 ideas, to throw everything on the king side and to castle queenside.
No one noticed that on the graphic it doesn't show that Lex castled?
Lex you gotta have Derren Brown on the show. . . this made me think of the chess episode he played against 9 the pros all at once.
(please and thank you lol)
Lower level of chess you can look or focus your attention to one area of the opponents board. He will only be focused on what you are looking at and make the wrong move. My rule of thumb is look at the least active part of the board.
developing an opening is the doorway to greatness.
Listening to chess masters is so unbelievably cool.
4:52 he has castled already.
So he castled the black side but the graphic doesn't show that.
I bet that taught Lex a lesson in chess.
3:25 That joke bzzzzzzz's for itself. 😂
"Bobby Fischer Teaches Chess" is an excellent way to learn optimal places for pieces.
At 4:05 the overlay shows the black king with out castling which is wrong. Lex do you wanna check this?
Vibrating device inside of me 😂😂😂😂 thx Hans
so, is it really that funny? I was facepalming, like really Lex, is that your level!?
@@edddo4314 hans fanboy?
@@alfaseeds13 Not even close. He've definitely cheated OTB as well, I fully support Magnus on that. Just getting tired of that teenege boys' joke about "vibrating devices", hahaha, anal beads, hahaha, soo funny. For me the funniest part is the fact that there's grown up people that STILL finds the vibrating joke so funny 😁
@Super Mario absolute smegma male
9:13 doesn't the move make sense because it prepares an h-file pawn push in case black castles on the king side? Given it is the logical side for black to castle? You earn a move ahead of time, black needs to counter with H5 to block
Decent teacher
Maybe the pawn move is to try at the end to break the king's defence in case it castles itself.
It's so funny to see Hikaru talk about "the computer says it's fine so we know that it is but I and other GMs can't explain it." :D
It makes absolute sense that we have gotten to the point a while ago where the engines produce good moves that humans wouldn't consider but it must be so weird for someone who learned chess 20+ years ago.
Not even computers can evaluate the full game so we cannot know if the computer program actually evaluates the position correctly using heuristics (AI or otherwise). However, computers are already much stronger in Chess so we must simply trust the computer to be probably correct - or at least more correct than humans.
I thought he was teaching chess how to lex Freedman.
Some gems in the video
Hikaru just made it to the scc final
I found I advance very quickly by checkmating my opponent. It works every time!!
@0:39 blunder... checkmate was right there
Congrats to the new Fischer Random World Champ!!!
3:38 😂😂
this reminds me of Carlos Santana's master class: you just gotta play the note that sounds right, and not has to come from the Corazon.
thanks for the tip!
Lex, you can't outsmart someone, who literally doesn't even care ;)
Best beginner advice: Learn opening, middle, & end game theory. Sure it will take you longer to start winning but when you do win, you will win at higher levels. Beginners & intermediates memorize gambits & openings. Grandmasters focus heavy on theory. Notice how no grandmasters tell you to learn theory simply bec it IS the secret.
how do you learn opening, middle, end game theory? and what is the difference between learning/memorizing openings and learnings opening theory? thanks.
Im pretty sure h4 is a good move because it kind of starts the process of squeezing the opponents position slowly
the colors in this video make me want to make my room dark with wood and plants, beautiful
06:42 LMAO I think Hikaru just made a case that supports Hans, accidently
how do i know if a piece is on a good square or not
Name of chess set?
Started using computer at 38, I agree it’s so much better to wait, you devellp intuition and you might didcover domething new along the way (not that I did)
That pawn is not on the edge of the board. It IS the edge of the board. Moving it up like that is making more space for your own pieces to move while slightly cutting off your opponent from getting into sniping positions.
Slightly different, but I think related take, some of what RL typircally does is implicitly reduce the complexity of future moves. Fundamentally, it is similar to a branch-and-bound concept in an integer optimization problem. If the AI can (perhaps just heuristically) remove a set of moves from being reasonable in the short-term, it combinatorically simplifies its computations for moves that are n-steps out. In this way, changing the edge of the board may not make sense for a human, but makes sense for Stockfish to recommend (I actually don't know much about the engine, so I don't know if this is how it operates). So, it's not just about cutting off the opponent, it's about computationally simplifying the game which benefits the player (be it human or much more likely machine) that can better reason at, say, 80 moves out.
@@himynameisdavenicetomeetyou the engines are set to perform at specific move depths, which should automatically limit computations. From what I remember most engines extensive databases of played games and have opening theory. Perhaps the Google engine does do what you suppose, as it learned mostly by play. Could possibly explain why it makes very alien moves.
Ofcource when you input those moves into stockfish it's gonna agree that it's not losing (if given enough depth for analysis), but I'd be surprised if it would come up with such strategies itself.
Lovely
Hikaru a good dude
4.08- onwards Lex’s “castle” isn’t displayed on the illustration graphic!!!!
I think pawn to H4 is good because it supports your king-side knight to advance and opens up the kingside rook
If you look at the position that Hikaru is talking about around 8:40, the issue is speficially the situation where king side knight has already moved over to other side of the board. That's what makes that move so weird to still make sense for a computer.
Lex Friedman sounds like an ethical action hero name
We are going to make a generation of Dune Mentats within a century.
The last point about extracting human level "wisdom" from AI is very relevant, even though it has not much to do with language generation.
What chess board are they using?
Wood
"Higher dimensional"
Lex obviously does too many shrooms
Just saying that in the example at minute 0:40 you can deliver a checkmate in 1 and taking the rook would be a mistake
"i have a vibrating device" 💀
I started modern day chess.
And it happens he just forked Magnus rook and king at the same time 😁
The deep wisdom about the last move in the video is that you prepare an attack on the upcoming castle. I used it every time i played chess, have not been playing for years, is waste of time.
all my chess pieces have an existential crisis
I know how to play chess but am not even close to being proficient at it. But if I were, a grandmaster who primarily learned on computers, and played an extremely talented player in-person who is almost at my level, but who was extremely smokin hot, I think that human element would easily make me vulnerable