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  • @christianmcdonald7746
    @christianmcdonald7746 5 років тому +1126

    “people don’t like what they don’t understand but people aren’t trying to understand what they don’t like either” these kids are so bright

    • @theGuardian
      @theGuardian  5 років тому +62

      Very wise words

    • @yoogeo1
      @yoogeo1 5 років тому +13

      This comment was a real take home

    • @Adzuruh
      @Adzuruh 5 років тому +3

      What about all the other models of masculinity? What is the difference between boyhood and manhood? They are different but both masculine. What about the importance and meaning of initiation? Historical traditions of what it takes to be a man, what is initiation, why did boys go through initiation (Iron John, non European initiation, the Jungian models like the king the warrior the magician and the lover, no more mr nice guy and the nice guy syndrome)? What about the red pill community? So many models that have not been mentioned but come up in an amazon book search on men. At the moment the sounds like some discussion of the Jordan Peterson perspective as one model; and the incoherent and general discussion of what life is like at the moment featuring males posing as an alternative model to the Peterson view. It’s strange that none of the deep thinking around masculinity has been featured. It seems the kids were right: don’t like what you don’t understand but you aren’t trying to understand what you don’t like. Please dig deeper, I have left some clues, and to paraphrase JP, the answer is typically found where you least want it to be. At minimum it will be an adventure.

    • @clipsfromfilms
      @clipsfromfilms 5 років тому +4

      bright beyond their years.

    • @johnescobar92
      @johnescobar92 5 років тому

      We're all bright. But sadly we're told we are wrong and not given the platform to express ourselves.

  • @nicolafigini784
    @nicolafigini784 5 років тому +427

    Wow! Those 13-year-old boys demonstrate a high level of intelligence and understanding of the issues. And it was very impactful to hear one of the older boys say that his role model was a PE teacher at his school. These projects connecting men, in the role of mentor, with boys are so important in today’s world.

    • @mayolicious69
      @mayolicious69 5 років тому +12

      It irritates the fuck out of me when people with no negative experiences of manhood try to say that a boy can grow up without a solid male role model. The difference it makes to either have a good father, or a good community role model to guide them through their younger is immense

    • @Hero.Lone-Wolf
      @Hero.Lone-Wolf 5 років тому +1

      They are called pretty boys ... they cry like a baby when they get a paper cut ...

    • @shedsonfilsaime8058
      @shedsonfilsaime8058 5 років тому

      Wendy

    • @slickxc
      @slickxc 4 роки тому

      the only reason you suggest its only these boys who are like this is because they are the only ones who have ever been supported to talk about these things. It is also the only time I personally have ever heard anyone their age talk about this kinda thing.

    • @emmaharol897
      @emmaharol897 3 роки тому +1

      2% of early school teachers are men.... about 15% primary are men.... its absoloutely disgraceful the government has no interest in this what ever.... the only imbalance they care about is women in STEM (if you include medicine, biology, veteniary medicine and other medical and healthcare there are actually far MORE women in STEM in uni than men, by large margin, but medicine and biology are kept out on purpose as it doesnt fit the narrative)

  • @fatimahmohamied9895
    @fatimahmohamied9895 5 років тому +362

    Hearing these young men speak made me feel so happy and hopeful for the future. So glad they have excellent values and integrity.

    • @SJIsles
      @SJIsles 5 років тому +4

      Like all real masculine men.

    • @ssilva5663
      @ssilva5663 4 роки тому

      what specifically do you mean?

  • @a.i.1905
    @a.i.1905 5 років тому +182

    I'll admit I was a bit sceptical when I saw a series on Modern Masculinity pop up in my suggestions, but I have to say Iman, you've really blown me away with this. I'm really enjoying this series, and it's great to hear from all these different groups out there that are doing what they can to preserve masculinity in all its forms. It's made me want to look up if there's anything similar in my area so I can do my bit too. I can't help but feel if we had more 13 year olds like these boys, it'd be a much brighter future for men everywhere. Keep up the great work!

  • @brendancahill3723
    @brendancahill3723 5 років тому +631

    You should do a series on modern feminity after this. This series along with a recent experience has me curious as to what your average Jane thinks about feminity, the men in her life, masculinity, modern feminism and what not... As opposed to only hearing what the media want her to think.

    • @mcw8900
      @mcw8900 5 років тому +68

      @Juliana Silva Do people like you who make those type of comments understand that your views on masculinity, femininity, feminism and anything else are ONLY YOUR views and others have different views which are no more objectively false than you think yours are.
      For instance in my opinion, Feminism does harm to Women whereas Femininity doesn't. Most Women want to be feminine and that is why most of them are. Most Women reject feminism as a toxic ideology. Your average feminist is mostly oblivious as to what Women actually want as they only listen to other feminists, who are a radical fringe minority. Then those same feminists constantly lecture men on what masculinity is.. As if they'd have the first clue or care about what it is to be a man or what masculinity is

    • @TeknoSquirrel
      @TeknoSquirrel 5 років тому +11

      @Juliana Silva What can you expect when the series was sort of aimed to bait Peterson fans...

    • @TeknoSquirrel
      @TeknoSquirrel 5 років тому +29

      Feminism isn't the problem... This series would be considered feminist in that it looks at the positive and negative elements of masculinity and how they affect society.

    • @basilchiu1209
      @basilchiu1209 5 років тому +4

      @Juliana Silva I think clarifying the difference In terminology can further the discussion.

    • @tobycox3428
      @tobycox3428 5 років тому +14

      @Juliana Silva Masculinity itself does not harm others. Maybe behaviours due to having limited role models, and feeling out of sync with society (e.g topics spoken in the video) that affects men do. Masculinity itself is important for the survival of mankind, herosim to protect others and families. These behaviours itself are not related to masculinity, or at most, extremely indirectly related.

  • @hubblebublumbubwub5215
    @hubblebublumbubwub5215 5 років тому +614

    “Masculinity isn’t about smelling the greatest”
    Vikings approve

    • @carpenoctem4428
      @carpenoctem4428 5 років тому +39

      Hate to break it to you, but Viking were actually pretty-boys, if you do some reading on the subject.
      Nothing wrong with being a pretty-boy but Vikings definitely wanted to look the best and probably smell the greatest too! :D

    • @snicker12
      @snicker12 5 років тому +5

      I’ve read that the Vikings only used to bathe once a week.

    • @rasmysamy2145
      @rasmysamy2145 5 років тому +38

      @@snicker12 Much better than anyone in their age and geographical region.

    • @hubblebublumbubwub5215
      @hubblebublumbubwub5215 5 років тому +2

      Where would they even bathe? The sea?

    • @carpenoctem4428
      @carpenoctem4428 5 років тому +11

      @@snicker12 That's heaps more than other people from the time period!

  • @henningskj
    @henningskj 5 років тому +187

    I wish more journalists would take on the job of covering these types of issues with the same level of professionalism and reflection as Iman and her crew.

  • @xx_faze_rolf_xxl4029
    @xx_faze_rolf_xxl4029 5 років тому +406

    these young lads are well smart for their age

    • @ishmaelvasquez
      @ishmaelvasquez 5 років тому +8

      they have good role models

    • @xqNN
      @xqNN 5 років тому +6

      Just shows they already thought about this topic imo

    • @leofromthe80vega77
      @leofromthe80vega77 5 років тому +2

      Smart? nah. They are telling what they are suppose to be telling. It's a speech, well known speech.

    • @vdmur7952
      @vdmur7952 5 років тому +1

      Nah.

    • @korppi164
      @korppi164 4 роки тому

      These lads are not in their own countries.

  • @isaacrcason
    @isaacrcason 5 років тому +302

    Great job, Iman. These kids give me hope for their generation.

  • @galaxxy09
    @galaxxy09 5 років тому +170

    Iman, this episode filled my heart with joy, i get so happy hearing that these boys and young men have support and a group to go to for help. You are doing a great service for journalism and for the people you interview. Amazing, thank you.

    • @Deagle-lj7tv
      @Deagle-lj7tv 5 років тому +1

      Congrats on top comment

    • @theGuardian
      @theGuardian  5 років тому +13

      Thanks, I feel like I got a lot out of speaking to these guys so I'm very happy that others can share that. - IA

    • @AccasTheGreat
      @AccasTheGreat 5 років тому +1

      @@theGuardian n

  • @BrightBlackBanana
    @BrightBlackBanana 5 років тому +262

    Another honest and open-minded entry. And such an important topic in 2019.

  • @odalissk
    @odalissk 5 років тому +47

    Props to Mr Walsh, the PE teacher from Newcastle for inspiring those bright young gentlemen

  • @davidjanotta6002
    @davidjanotta6002 5 років тому +70

    those boys are damn wise for their age! Feels good thinking about the future after listening to them, those are the men society needs!

  • @SleepyMatt-zzz
    @SleepyMatt-zzz 5 років тому +45

    "I think masculinity has been misunderstood, and people just go for stereotypes" Damn dude, these kids are smarter than most adults I know. They kids are saying stuff I've been trying to point out for years.

  • @PFJung
    @PFJung 5 років тому +34

    7:04 the older guy's smile when she asked if they can to talk to someone like him and the kid says "definitely!"

  • @kobii1
    @kobii1 5 років тому +24

    This episode did great job of dispelling the myth and idea that the younger generation (especially young boys) are a lost cause.
    Their insight, maturity and fresh outlook on masculinity and being true to oneself was incredibly refreshing to see.
    Thanks again for another great instalment.

  • @shanematkorah
    @shanematkorah 5 років тому +29

    Its a universal. If a person has proper role models and a fair supportive circle of friends teachers and family, people are going to grow up to be successful individuals. These boys are a perfect representation of that. Proper mature young adults. Good on them. and thank you, guardian, for showing the other side to the ongoing discussion of genders

  • @MarkHadjHamou
    @MarkHadjHamou 5 років тому +132

    You're doing fantastic work standing up for men, thank you.

    • @susanneyuk-pingpong8705
      @susanneyuk-pingpong8705 5 років тому

      Helping men*
      There is no competition between men and women.

    • @MarkHadjHamou
      @MarkHadjHamou 5 років тому +8

      @@susanneyuk-pingpong8705 My comment didn't imply that there was, only you did.

    • @michaelt.5672
      @michaelt.5672 4 роки тому

      And all it takes to do so is ask genuine questions, and listen to genuine answers.
      Who would have thought it could be so easy?

  • @annnddy
    @annnddy 5 років тому +76

    "Arsenal is better than Tottenham" lol

  • @flexibleskedule
    @flexibleskedule 5 років тому +26

    I'm a dude, tears down my face watching this. Not sure why. But I think it's good.

  • @tomperez652
    @tomperez652 5 років тому +25

    Absolute must watch, yet another fantastic piece in this series on Modern Masculinity. So proud to see FBB participants speak so openly and insightfully about what the ups and downs of being a young man. Top quality journalism all round! 🙌

  • @JocksRu
    @JocksRu 5 років тому +14

    Masculinity has been confused with Ladishness. In my opinion the Gillette ad a few months back was actually really good and had a great message but it wrapped it in the wrong language by attacking masculinity rather than ladishness.
    Being a “lad” is about the inane drivel of how many girls you sleep with, how alpha you are etc.
    Being a man is about meaning, responsibility, being accountable. As the young man put it “it’s about integrity”

  • @D4n1t0o
    @D4n1t0o 5 років тому +14

    Those two lads at the end were emotionally articulate. I really appreciated their perspective.

  • @internetenjoyer1044
    @internetenjoyer1044 5 років тому +11

    What I think shouldn't be neglected is that the point isn't to remove the outer mask with the inner. It should be to integrate them and make them closer together. The outer mask is the vehicle you use to change the inner mask, becuase the traits that make you most vulnerable aren't inherently better than the traits which, were they your inner mask, would make you less vulnerable. We will never help struggling men eith their emotions if we try to force them into behaviours of women, going on coffee mornings and being too open with their emotions. That can't be sustained because they will see those using their outer masks more be rewarded with getting more female attention, being more enjoyable to be be around so more popular, etc. There must be a balance between the external rewards which your outer mask is good at getting you, and the internal emotional health that wearing your inner mask can provide.

  • @leticiamader5269
    @leticiamader5269 4 роки тому +3

    the quote 'people don't like what they don't understand but then people aren't looking to understand what they don't like' is probably the wisest thing i've ever heard

    • @michaelt.5672
      @michaelt.5672 4 роки тому

      Certainly coming from a kid that age.

  • @resteasy4682
    @resteasy4682 4 роки тому +9

    "dont judge me cause im wearing a hood. maybe my heads cold, i dont know." i felt that

  • @cabinessenceking
    @cabinessenceking 5 років тому +6

    There is no such thing as a masculinity crisis. Only people who need help in getting their lives sorted out.

  • @user-lh4hv3tx8b
    @user-lh4hv3tx8b 5 років тому +10

    Stefan is a top notch guy. We should all aspire to give back and help cultivate a sense of manliness in these boys. Amazing work.

  • @hannah1444
    @hannah1444 5 років тому +14

    Those teenage footballers gave the best definition of masculinity I've heard on the entire series. This is the future of masculinity and I am so here for it. Love this series by the way. Great work! ❤️

  • @Varlwyll
    @Varlwyll 5 років тому +71

    Interesting video. You should leave the city and talk to boys in the country about this.

    • @designanddirection
      @designanddirection 5 років тому +9

      Strung Up not sure The Guardian knows there is life beyond Islington!

    • @madpoetsociety2917
      @madpoetsociety2917 5 років тому +4

      Not as many people live in the country as the city. Iman is trying to draw a general sample. I'm sure it would be an interesting subject to explore but there are so many mitigating factors at play in the country that it would be less just about masculinity than about living in the country.

    • @mayolicious69
      @mayolicious69 5 років тому +3

      The city is where the most damaging effects of the masculinity crisis are though

    • @basilchiu1209
      @basilchiu1209 5 років тому +1

      There are definitely different masculinities (plural). James Bond, Hells Angels, and BTS are all masculine ideals.

  • @lewismorrissey4577
    @lewismorrissey4577 5 років тому +6

    Talking to the youth about these issues are so good, I totally respect how this reporter is doing this

  • @PathFind13
    @PathFind13 5 років тому +37

    Wish I had role models I could talk to openly like some of these lads

    • @JacopoSkydweller
      @JacopoSkydweller 5 років тому +4

      Man, I'm only 25 but I learned a hard lesson in choosing your friends. If you can't be honest with your buddy's about hard things that you're dealing with like insecurities, depression, anger, guilt etc. You need new friends. I found mine in my church community, but just being open and honest with people (maybe not your deepest darkest secrets immediately but that will help weed out who you can trust. It's hard, it takes balls, but it's so worth it. Once you find those guys, keep them around you for life.
      Best of luck man.

  • @lucasrodriguezschwarzenber3127
    @lucasrodriguezschwarzenber3127 5 років тому +2

    Commenting from Chile, South America here. Been following the series since day one. I find it remarkable. Many of the topics can also be applied to my country, where we have quite a 'macho' culture (even though we have quite the small average height). I don't think this is a topic that's been given the attention it deserves. Having a show like this, made with production values, a good backing from The Guardian and a very profesional and endearing host/reporter, really helps to shine a light in those issues. Can't wait for the next episode. Always watch it from the office, when i'm in my breakfast break. Goes really well with a coffee machine latte!

    • @jdmfan2170
      @jdmfan2170 5 років тому

      Im from south America too

    • @whistler8
      @whistler8 5 років тому +1

      Viewer from Brazil here. This resonates with us as well. I don't think that, in terms of public discourse, we (in Brazil) are anywhere near the level of maturity and discernment as seen in this video.
      To imagine that some of these boys come from a supposedly unprivileged background...
      Education takes you far!

  • @bartoszmaj8691
    @bartoszmaj8691 5 років тому +40

    "i've been watching Brexit lately" As if it's eastenders xD

    • @jdmfan2170
      @jdmfan2170 5 років тому +1

      who still looks at eastenders? its 2019

    • @bartoszmaj8691
      @bartoszmaj8691 5 років тому +2

      @@jdmfan2170 I haven't watched tv in years so it's the only thing that came to mind tbh

    • @gambogamboni
      @gambogamboni 5 років тому +3

      To be fair, it's presented as a reality TV show - a bad habit we picked up from the Americans.

    • @ethanmears1102
      @ethanmears1102 4 роки тому

      Gambo I stopped listening a year ago

    • @ddandymann
      @ddandymann 4 роки тому

      Politics is essentially reality TV with suits

  • @senshai1267
    @senshai1267 3 роки тому +1

    This is one of my favorite series...probably one of the only ones which discuss masculinity since a book called fight club , as far as I can remember .. And I love it .

  • @ritamoore8346
    @ritamoore8346 5 років тому +22

    Wonderful program. Keep up the great work of helping our young men.

  • @ralphpritchard5224
    @ralphpritchard5224 5 років тому +57

    mr welsh sounds amazing

  • @danielbeaney4407
    @danielbeaney4407 5 років тому +1

    What the young boy said about talking to his mum when he's anxious was eye opening. I used to talk to my mum when i had questions and things on my mind. She pasted away 9 years ago but im lucky enough to have my aunt (and others in my immediate family) who i can talk too. I wish i had something like this when i was these kids age (and i'd had listurned to it) i had very similar preconceptions of masculinity when i was that age. Now in my late 20s i know more about myself and the experiences that have shaped me into who i am. Many things come with age ( i know i know im 27 ) but it takes time to find the qualities you want in yourself. A series like this how ever will hopefully kick it off earlier in kids than it has me.
    P.s sorry it turned personal. This is a great series keep them coming 👍👍

  • @categorille8330
    @categorille8330 5 років тому +7

    this one was so interesting and heartwarming! Thank you for giving these people a voice, I am looking forward to the next episodes.

  • @chineishon
    @chineishon 5 років тому +8

    Wow! This boys are way more mature than a lot of adults I know.

  • @kat3325
    @kat3325 5 років тому +37

    Iman, much love for your work. Wish more journalists would cut their bullshit and do amazing job as you do ❤️

  • @davidemusco85
    @davidemusco85 5 років тому +2

    The job Iman is conducting with this serie is so important. I hope someday it will be conducted in other contexts too, like smaller towns, or even in other countries.

  • @yoogeo1
    @yoogeo1 5 років тому +1

    Ugh so wholesome. Nice to see the conversation actually include those spoken about without them being spoken at. Iman, mad respect for this series. Brings it home seeing the ends and young guys like a younger version of myself being given airtime to speak so eloquently as well. Loving this so much

  • @MRTN13
    @MRTN13 5 років тому +21

    Can't imagine American kids of the same age talking that smart. Education man, it does seem to help

  • @AB-oy5on
    @AB-oy5on 3 роки тому +1

    This series is so powerful, congratulations Iman and The Guardian for putting this together.
    Big up the Brixton estates that raised me.

  • @eleanorclub
    @eleanorclub 5 років тому +1

    Im so glad you’re doing this series - we so seldom hear from young urban boys, but lots about them. I would never have known the insight and thoughtfulness they bring. You’re also not pushing a narrative, also much appreciated.

  • @RhulaneMkhawane
    @RhulaneMkhawane 4 роки тому +1

    THIS is journalism...no spin, no forcing their preconceptions on the story.

  • @colorfulcodes
    @colorfulcodes 5 років тому +16

    Wish these were longer.

  • @SamrudhVNayak
    @SamrudhVNayak 5 років тому +5

    This is one really brilliant series. Cheers to Iman and The Guardian.

  • @shannongeorge7520
    @shannongeorge7520 5 років тому +46

    I got chills👏👏👏BEAUTIFUL🙏🙏🙏♥️🌍✌️🤗🙌🏽🙌🏽

  • @sagetenshi
    @sagetenshi 5 років тому +1

    This series somehow manages to get better with each new episode. Huge props to Iman and the team.

  • @ritamoore8346
    @ritamoore8346 5 років тому +7

    The art of communication is in jeopardy. We just don't give talking and sharing enough of a chance.

    • @danohyeah5893
      @danohyeah5893 5 років тому +1

      I think over sharing has made us more vulnerable. Some times we just need to toughen up.

  • @AmanPatel-qu1pj
    @AmanPatel-qu1pj 5 років тому +2

    These young guys are so eloquent and well spoken it's so great to see

  • @lorol5224
    @lorol5224 5 років тому +2

    Such beautiful young boys, gosh I had tears watching them talk and seeing how much they look at to their teacher. God bless them and all those working to build up our kiddos and give them the tools to live a good life. This is the kind of thing we need to put our money and time behind.

  • @cosmicspatter989
    @cosmicspatter989 5 років тому +3

    This is such a wonderful show. As a mother of 3 young men, I am glad to see this series. Thanks for your good work. 🥰

  • @mrginge143
    @mrginge143 5 років тому +1

    I still believe in this series, one of the most interesting pieces of journalism I’ve seen (and for the record I am normally very critical of most journalism). Keep it up.

  • @mmrgratitudes
    @mmrgratitudes 4 роки тому +1

    I'm so impressed that this journalist actually took the time to listen to these young men. We so often overlook boys in society. Well done 👏

  • @deplorible753
    @deplorible753 5 років тому +52

    Ask those boys again in a few years

    • @gmakutube
      @gmakutube 5 років тому +26

      Yes. Especially once they find out that society laughs at men's pain. See if they're so willing to cry, then.

    • @123571321
      @123571321 5 років тому +14

      @@gmakutube they will cry, because by then they'll know it's ok and they'll have some people of trust who understand the importance and need of it. Most of us figure it later on in life, when repression has taken a toll in multiple aspects

    • @gmakutube
      @gmakutube 5 років тому +4

      @@123571321 Have you met the current version of Western Civilization? Good luck with that.

    • @thomasowen2585
      @thomasowen2585 5 років тому +13

      Especially after testosterone hits.

    • @Ravstar999
      @Ravstar999 5 років тому +7

      @@gmakutube
      Life gets much better for men after school. University and a career is when you start to build real confidence

  • @SeanRosairo
    @SeanRosairo 5 років тому +3

    This is such an amazing series! It's very interesting to see something about masculinity that isn't preachy, but is understanding.

  • @tingtong7425
    @tingtong7425 2 роки тому +1

    I am so happy i stumbled upon this series. This is so great and so insightful. Especially as a woman.

  • @tubetorius
    @tubetorius 5 років тому +1

    What I got from her talking to the kids is that the difference between mentors, teachers and parents is that a mentor is someone who isn't responsible for you but who wants to help you regardless.

  • @ericeztli7133
    @ericeztli7133 4 роки тому +1

    Thank you, Iman, for all the work you are doing. This is IMPORTANT.

  • @BuzzLiteBeer
    @BuzzLiteBeer 5 років тому +2

    These kids are really mentally/emotionally evolved. I didn't learn or pay attention to mental health, emotional maturity, or self development until my late 20s.

  • @ovidiubeschieru4734
    @ovidiubeschieru4734 4 роки тому

    Dear Iman,
    I am writing to you because I am an admirer of your work on the Modern Masculinity series. I think your work is incredibly useful for men and boys of all ages, especially in today’s world.
    In addition, I am also writing to you because I want to contribute to her series if possible. Specifically, I want to talk about the value of opening up and even crying for men. Through life experiences, and exposure to broader society and media, I think a destructive stereotype of what a man should be is instilled in many men / people: a man with clear cut abs, who only smiles to woo ladies, who has a Rolex, drives a Bentley and has large amounts of money. I think while all these traits are admirable, they don’t really leave room for a man to develop as a person, they don’t leave room for a man to be himself, whoever that is. In turn, this gets in the way of developing relationships, intimate or otherwise, causes loneliness and confusion. While this applies to me, I am confident that this applies to many men worldwide.
    I want to share my story and share what I learned through my experiences, including failed relationships, depression, and feeling stuck, which all revolve around my own oppression of who the man that I am, due to trying to be the man that I think is expected of me.
    Thank you greatly for your time, and please let me know if I can collaborate with you, perhaps by having a remote conversation that would be added as part of your series.
    Sincerely,
    Ovidiu Beschieru
    MD candidate, 2024, St. George’s University
    BSc, Psychology and Chemistry, University of Alberta

  • @NickJoyce86
    @NickJoyce86 4 роки тому

    Man, it's really heartwarming to see the work that is being done on the kids. It's inspires optimism for the future if this can become more the approach that is taught to our young boys. A huge THANK YOU and well done for your exploration into this essential are, Iman!

  • @MrTurtleThief
    @MrTurtleThief 5 років тому +4

    These kids are wise beyond their years, much respect

  • @gmakutube
    @gmakutube 5 років тому +8

    An interesting topic for an episode might be how men / boys are told to act and then how society treats them when they do so, instead of being true to themselves. The solution is to have boys be presented with masculine role models - not to be told that they're toxic. (Don't forget that men sacrificed a lot to build this civilization - perhaps those behaviours have some value after all, no?).

    • @SSj5Bob
      @SSj5Bob 5 років тому +1

      This is another problem of poor "branding" with the phrasing used by people who often talk about toxic masculinity. Masculinity isn't toxic, toxic masculinity is toxic. When people talk about poisonous plants, they're not saying all plants are poisonous, they're saying poisonous plants are poisonous. Anyone who tells you masculinity in its entirety is somehow evil isn't representing the broader discussion.
      Toxic masculinity is stuff like refusing to talk about mental health because it's a sign of weakness, damaging yourself and others in an attempt to appear "tough", or believing that they are owed sex by women. It's the parts of the umbrella of masculinity that are harmful to both men and women and need to be addressed. It gets conflated into "all men are evil" by reactionaries taking things out of context or extremists who are screaming their own insane views louder than the more collected moderate voices.

    • @SSj5Bob
      @SSj5Bob 5 років тому +2

      ​@Truthful Chap Toxic Masculinity isn't a technical term, it's a description of broad trends in behaviour. I'm not American so I don't really care too much about the APA or the guidelines they choose to put out, I didn't know what they were until I googled it (I assume you're talking about the American Psychological Association and not the Advertising Producer's Association).
      The description that I provided for g mak is the one that I have found to most often be what people are talking about when they are genuinely discussing the concept and consequences of "Toxic Masculinity". As I mentioned before, the only exceptions that I've found are extremists and reactionaries assembling strawmen to argue at in bad faith.

  • @ronniesunshine1163
    @ronniesunshine1163 5 років тому

    Iman, you're probably the best journalist currently alive. You know how to talk to people so well and seem to make them comfortable and heard. It's really great to see that someone is doing proper journalism still. Thanks for this series

  • @thokozanimbonambi4447
    @thokozanimbonambi4447 5 років тому +2

    Props to the kid who said Arsenal is better than Tottenham, he's wise beyond his years.

  • @Muslimah1987
    @Muslimah1987 5 років тому

    Ahh I just love you and this series so much. I barely watch any series-type things anymore but this is one is just exceptional. Huge props to your team and The Guardian.

  • @Thedarkknight2244
    @Thedarkknight2244 5 років тому +2

    Iman Amrani's wardrobe in this was amazing! Many other comments commending the vid content, but just thought her style required a shout out too!!

  • @toomuchEva
    @toomuchEva 5 років тому +2

    Amazing series! So important and needed in this day and age. :)

  • @joecarlson699
    @joecarlson699 5 років тому

    Some amazing boys here. It is time we take back masculinity for what it it: lifting others up, being kind, and showing our genuine personalities. Great series !

  • @callyupnorth5524
    @callyupnorth5524 5 років тому +1

    would be amazing to see this done on femininity, great piece again I smiled watching this, these boys are wiser than I was in my 20s, I think masculinity is being comfortable with yourself and not pretending to be anyone else and it took me along time to figure that out

  • @aslihanozturk2621
    @aslihanozturk2621 5 років тому +1

    I'm genuinely so surprised and captivated by these young men, being able to grasp such a difficult topic in such an articulate and intelligent way. We should really learn to listen to teenagers and young adult about such issues instead of speaking on behalf of them. Amazing series Iman.

  • @WeWantYouToStay
    @WeWantYouToStay 5 років тому +5

    There needs to be some coverage in these episodes about how the single parent epidemic has impacted boys and young men - growing up without a father is the single biggest cause of the male identity crisis

    • @WeWantYouToStay
      @WeWantYouToStay 5 років тому +1

      @Steve Gracy that's tough, hope you figured it out!

  • @Inoscopedadog
    @Inoscopedadog 5 років тому +1

    I think it's important to allow young boys to be young boys. They'll make mistakes, but ultimately being a man, or becoming a man, is a journey and one full of many highs and lows. I do feel like we're forcing boys to adopt a more "feminine" set of ideals and I don't think that's a productive or effective alternative to typical masculinity. We need to allow them to do decide their own path.

  • @1brenmaster
    @1brenmaster 5 років тому +3

    Was great to hear the boys have their say but they haven't lived loved or had too many dark days yet. The word responsibility hasn't really even entered their frame yet. Responsibility is intrinsically linked to masculinity. Episode 2 will be hard to beat for content but keep up the good work

  • @damowantswealth
    @damowantswealth 5 років тому +1

    Just wanted to say this is a great series by Iman, thankyou for the great work

  • @julianm4381
    @julianm4381 5 років тому

    Love this series, so refreshing to see a quality mainstream journalist, who's interested primarily in finding and exploring the truth, not pushing an agenda.

  • @danielhagos6944
    @danielhagos6944 3 роки тому +1

    This episode is a ten out of ten

  • @morpheus1586
    @morpheus1586 5 років тому +11

    Wow very impressed with how articulate these boys are at their ages. At that age, I felt the same thing and ai was being shamed to silence. Go on Lads! Speak up!

    • @theGuardian
      @theGuardian  5 років тому +3

      Just a personal thought on this...I think that lots of young men aren't given the tools to express themselves, which requires certain vocabulary, self-reflection and learning, and I think that is often why you see some youngsters that are angry and frustrated. I've seen for myself the work that FBB does trying to develop these sorts of life skills in the boys and girls they work with so it's not really a coincidence that these kids are so good at explaining their points. Young people have lots of say, they just need to be given the space and encouragement to do so, and then they need to be listened to... - IA

    • @morpheus1586
      @morpheus1586 5 років тому +3

      @@theGuardian Nope very wrong. I had this debate with my ex a few weeks ago. It was a general conversation about toxic masculinity which touched on this issue and I told her to listen to her dad a bit more and with some sympathy. She said he talks a lot and laughed. I tried to explain to her that he doesnt feel 'heard'. She still didnt get it and thought that he should talk more about his story on their local radio station in a very small Italian village. For a man that is very emotional when he talks and crys often, there is a lot there that is not resolved. I can tell that he has a lot to get off his chest. He is about 65 and has been through a lot. He nurses a bipolar wife and put 2 girls through 2 undergrade degrees, 2 masters and now their phd. But yet, he is often ridiculed when he says anything and often ignored. Now ask yourself would you want to be 'heard' by your loved ones and I mean 'heard' not just listened to but 'seen' or the public?
      Its not that boys or men doesnt talk about their feelings or dont understand these feelings. We simply have been taught by society that those feeling are inadequate for us to have and that we are inadequate for having them. Or simply, nobody cares. We are made to look weak for having feeling. For example, we learn that for us to get the girl, the job, do well in sports, we cannot show emotional weakness or talk about our feelings. We learn early that our lives is only as good as our output for society, women and children. In the spirit of 'competition', we train to be ready to give up ourselves and our lives for society, women and children. Look at the army or the family courts. We get judged by girls, woman,other boys and men alike to 'train' us to be emotionally tough all in the guise of poor treatment. In that myth, we lose our humanity and become replaceable. Look up Warren Farrell "The Myth of Male Power".
      The fact is that boys and men are disposable to society. Its easier to take the humanity away when they are disposable and women and children are much more valued. Look at how men get drafted to war, look at the sucide rate which if it was reversed everybody would know about it, look at how fathers are treated in the family courts, look at mens health issues, education etc.
      When things affect women, its blamed on external factor like society, patriachy, men etc. When things happen to men and boys, we blame them for not being able to speak out even when they do. Hence the term toxic masclinity. They always had, your comment just proves that you are still not listening without judgement. You are making judgements of what you think the issue is and not actually listening to what is being said. ITS NOT THAT WE ARE NOT GIVEN THE TOOLS, WE HAVE LEARNED TO UNLEARN WHAT IS SOMEWHAT HUMAN NATURE UNTIL OFTEN WHEN ITS TOO LATE. Society has failed men in this regard. More men and boys will speak if people actually CARED to listened without judging.
      With that said, thank you for bringing spotlight to this issues Iman. You have no idea how many lives you might be saving with these documentary. It made me proud that there are journalist who dont have as much biased as most mainstream media.

    • @lindai6988
      @lindai6988 5 років тому

      Morpheus I never got the argument that women get preferential treatment in family court considering men are most likely to get custody than women if they pursue it. But other than that your comment was very insightful, I wish we all tried more to understand where others are coming from

    • @morpheus1586
      @morpheus1586 5 років тому +3

      @@lindai6988 Hi Linda, thanks for your comment. Should men have to 'pursue it' legally though? I dont think that you are taking into account how expensive it is to pursue these issue in courts. Most men give up because they dont have the legal and finances means to do it.
      I had a co-worker who has pursued it in court and spent over £8,000 on lawyer with all his savings and money he had to borrow putting him in debt. It affected his mental health not being about to see his daughter. So much so that he attempted sucide - twice. Luckily, he was unsuccessful. When I met him, he said he hasnt since his daughter in nearly ten years. She was 14 then and hopefully she is old enough to see him now. He was unsuccessful in court even with all that effort which was 3 years of legal and put him in debt.
      Its not a surprise that sucide of men skyrocket from 4 times of women to 11 times after divorce/family courts. Most men dont have the means after losing the house, cars and the kids and when they do, they end up in debt with still a chance of failure. Please dont just assume that fathers dont want to be with their kids. Most I know do. Im sure most dad you know do as well. Most Dad I know love their kids and would do anything for their kids. Trust me, there wouldnt be fathers rights groups and campaigns if it was that easy and if dads dont want to see their kids. I have not heard much about a mother rights group.
      Also the benefit sysyem benefits single mother with sole custody than joint parenting given 'some' mothers more ammo especially when the relationship did not end in their favour. A woman scorned as they say.
      Women are automatically assumed as the best care giver and are more likely to be given sole custody. Even when joint custody is awarded, it is still difficult to enforce if the mother does not want it. Women get between 85%-90% of sole custody based on UK and US statistics. I would love to see the data that shows that men get more preference when they pursue it. I have been in this field for quite some time and have not seen that any where and by how much is 'more likely'?

    • @lindai6988
      @lindai6988 5 років тому +1

      Morpheus you have to take in consideration that most custody cases don't even end up in court, that women getting sole custody is usually a product of a mutual agreement between the parents. Of course there are going to be exceptions like your friend where a parent is being handed the shorthand of the stick but statistically, men are most likely to be the domestic abusers, dads in average spend less time with their children which are all factors family courts take in consideration.
      There are mother’s rights groups (e.g Mothers Unite UK), they actually came in handy when my aunty wanted to divorce her abusive husband. As for men getting preference when they pursue custody, this is from a study done in Massachusetts, ’Fathers who actively seek custody obtain either primary or joint physical custody over 70% of the time.’ amptoons.com/blog/files/Massachusetts_Gender_Bias_Study.htm It actually goes onto to explain the extent of gender bias in family courts.
      I also found this article useful in dispelling the myth of gender bias that favours women in court.www.huffpost.com/entry/dispelling-the-myth-of-ge_n_1617115?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvLnVrLw&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAALCYbZlMIDDC4IRSZA5GR6beUXLffzPRlMKoulWOd7X2d3oOTBlhYU_dayStOHgKdfAfXSJP0LHd-9rmCxHTFb8B5X6-nEe6Z_sggjSAdFUvW_y-mUTRVN40My5Bz3A-KwbZ6uG6aAoqsMUO0mcxzNjxKUBul9gAvy8JA5VEwewE
      I sympathise with the ordeal of obtaining custody. A lot of factors that make it harder for fathers to obtain custody are mostly due to external factors like unequal paid paternity leave, the pressure to be the breadwinner, these things makes it harder for fathers to spend as much time with their children hurting their cases in court.

  • @irishmickguard
    @irishmickguard 5 років тому +2

    Iman you are a credit to your profession. Far too often these days, journalists are little more than activists with an audience. This series has been amazing so far. I only wish you would step outside the London bubble a bit though. Otherwise keep up the excellent work.

    • @toomuchinformation
      @toomuchinformation 5 років тому

      She went to Leeds and spoke at length to Neil in the second episode. Next week she says that she's outdoors, so I'm assuming that it's outside of London as well.

    • @theGuardian
      @theGuardian  5 років тому

      Hey, thanks for your message. We've tried to vary the locations so look out for the next episode 👀

  • @Roz390
    @Roz390 5 років тому +3

    Back again to say I love this series Iman, you are the coolest lady

  • @MrYaseen88
    @MrYaseen88 4 роки тому +1

    Magnificent reporter, she's amazing

  • @petroglyph79
    @petroglyph79 5 років тому +2

    The problem is letting society and women Define masculinity and by allowing that it leaves room for control and manipulation thru Confusion. Such as feminism that is constantly trying to say what men are. But logically they arent men so what do they know ? But at the same time in the current society men are not allowed to define women without extreme prejudice. Can't have bias and double standards in equality. Or We can't call it Equality. 😕

  • @vitsobotka6268
    @vitsobotka6268 4 роки тому +1

    I enjoy this documentary, quality. I mean these are 13 y.o. boys and their answers are incredibly profound and thought through

  • @theGuardian
    @theGuardian  4 роки тому

    Series two has started now. First up, we're looking at masculinity and sport through the fighters and fans at UFC 244 ► ua-cam.com/video/qzVtLB06Df4/v-deo.html
    Thanks

  • @cadisfitz
    @cadisfitz 10 місяців тому

    so bright insights and a very interesting way that these children grew up in! Thank you for your beautiful work...

  • @clivepatterson4321
    @clivepatterson4321 4 роки тому +1

    Male = Gender, Masculinity = The Journey, Man = The Outcome. Above all else, Masculinity, equals the journey towards becoming a Man, and being a Man, ultimately means, taking responsibility for yourself and those around you.

  • @Dave-x8j
    @Dave-x8j 2 роки тому

    Some surprisingly smart answers from the rather young men. I don't know what I expected, but they seemed to have such a mature way of looking at things.

  • @Coldfront15
    @Coldfront15 5 років тому

    I’m happy to see this generation around the entire world learning about the right valued.

  • @rvlf2002
    @rvlf2002 5 років тому +1

    omg, these boys r amazing! this gives me hope. congrats to this program! FBB

  • @dimiterstoev8657
    @dimiterstoev8657 5 років тому +1

    Great series! Literally so important...

  • @finlaycarr6425
    @finlaycarr6425 5 років тому

    Really enjoyed this series! Re-gaining respect for The Guardian

  • @LaurenOrion
    @LaurenOrion 5 років тому +1

    I love the diversity of journalists!!

  • @macabre2007
    @macabre2007 5 років тому +3

    'What it takes to be a man' - according to whom? Masculinity is not some transient quality, it is mostly illusion. So you could ask what it takes to be a woman and it would sound just as trite, and the claims to be just as offensive to many women, no universalities but for physiology. Yin and Yang is all we can know - Biology is all we can see, Ideology is all we can think regarding this question. This is merely an enclave - the bigger question.. what it takes to be on this island. Then you address how the roles in society that show drastic inequality. this debate about 'masculinity is a footnote to the true debate of how we end tory rule, in an undemocratic plutocracy.

  • @joelike7787
    @joelike7787 5 років тому

    This is such important work. Thank you for making this series

  • @AM-fb2sp
    @AM-fb2sp 5 років тому +2

    Great series! I am now a fan of iman amrani

  • @LondonReps
    @LondonReps 5 років тому

    Such a great video, had me smiling throughout! Look forward to seeing more!