Toyota Car Care Talk (Ep 7): Break-in Period for New Vehicles!
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- What is the best way to break in your new vehicle? Jeff and Adam Newton cover what you should know. Thanks for Subscribing to Toyota Car Care Talk!
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You going to answer any of the questions you told us to leave?
My new 2023 Corolla is supposed to use ow-8 (as printed on engine and in the owner’s manual). I believe this is a change from ow-16. Should I use ow-8 every oil change, or should I vary between that and ow-16? I’ve heard some of the first 2023 Corolla recommended ow-16. My car was made in Japan.
I just bought new 24 Corolla, it uses same oil. User manual says that you could use 0-16 once then must go back to 0-8. So what’s the point of that may I ask ? I am breaking in my new car as I write this ,has two hundred miles. Weather it needs it or not I’m changing my oil at 1k miles and then again at 5k miles. I have Toyota care but do you think I’m waiting 10k miles for first oil change? That’s nuts. Most important are the first couple oil changes after buying new car.it just cost me $112 for this oil including filter and washer.small price to pay for maintaining new car.
“Baby it for 671 miles.” I was only careful for the first 670 miles. Now I have to worry. 😅
After following proper break-in procedures, I change the oil at 1k miles just for peace of mind and personal preference. Then I change it next at the 5k mile interval which would be 6k miles on the odometer. Then I take it to the dealership for the first oil change at 10k miles. Thereafter, I change it at every 5k mile interval rather than the recommended 10k miles. I do not recommend anyone out there who drives their new vehicle especially a Tacoma or Camry to change the oil every 10k miles.
I can agree with you except for the 10K oil changes. I have always done and always will do 5K.
I agree wholeheartedly with Toyota's suggested break-in period, however, the oil should be changed at no greater than 1,000 miles and then again at 5,000 miles to sync with the 5,000 mile or six month regimen. As careful as a conscientious new owner tries to follow varying the engine speed, don't redline it or use hard braking, sometimes it is difficult if not impossible to avoid hard acceleration/braking due to road and traffic conditions as well as the masses of idiot drivers that one confronts each time he/she gets behind the wheel.
Change oil at the first 500 miles, and at 1000 miles. Also change the ATF at the first 1500 miles.
@@viewlesswind change the car at 5000km itself.
The car care nut on UA-cam confirmed (and shows in video) you can actually see metallic shavings in the oil filter at the first oil change so he recommends changing at 1k and then 5k thereafter for the life of the vehicle
THANK YOU for EXPLAINING the WHY of why this stuff is important! I knew all of the "Break In" details but not the details of why they were so important. You killed it!
My break-in procedure so far with my GX 460 been, max speed 60 miles first 1000 miles, varied speeds and taking back roads vs. highway. Changed oil at 700 miles and plan to do it again at 1200 miles.
You should just change your oil after every fill up
Engine speed is irrelevant to engine break-in, what is important is RPM. Once your engine is warmed up, you should operate it at between 2000 and 4000 RPM (absolute max) when possible, but varying the RPM level to a reasonable degree. Because of how transmission work, this is not as easy as it might seem to get the proper amount of friction needed to seat the rings during break-in.
Iv got a brand new 25 mazda3 gt and I change her oil every morning after breakfast
My wife just got her bran new 2023 Camry and this is exactly what I was wondering. Thank you guys.
You'd better drive those break in miles yourself then if you want it done....there's not a woman on earth that will follow any of these guidelines
Saying that Toyota wants people to "baby" their engine during break-in is wrong. Also, speed is irrelevant to engine break-in, what is important is RPM. Once your engine is warmed up, you should operate it at between 2000 and 4000 RPM (absolute max) when possible, but varying the RPM level to a reasonable degree. Dealers don't mention this because they think consumers are too stupid to under the difference between speed (MPH) and RPM (as displayed on the tachometer). The goal of engine break-in is to cause sufficient wear between the piston rings and the cylinder walls of the pistons, so they "seat" properly. A sufficient amount of friction is required to do this properly.
Break-in for brakes is a totally different issue, not in any way related to engine break-in, and one should avoid extremely sudden stops the first few hundreds miles if possible (but don't avoid using brakes if actually needed). This will make sure the pads and rotors seat properly. But the actual number of miles required for brake break-in depends on how often the brakes are used, not the number of miles, since in city driving the brakes are more likely to be used than on a freeway with light traffic.
glad to know I've actually been treating my brand new camry the right way so far. thank you for these videos guys.
Good on you brother keep it up...I got pick up my 25 mazda3 in a few days, I took it for a little ride the other day when I went to sign off on it...I put maybe 5 miles on it and drove it perfect with break in at the fore front of my mind and will continue to after I take delivery
First oil change 500-1000 miles, then every 5000 miles after that. NEVER go 10,000 miles between oil changes.
Only dummies let their engine oil go that long...or people that replace with new every 3 years
2024 RAV4 hybrid manual page 196, 200 miles no hard braking, no towing 500 miles and 600 miles no extremely high speeds, avoid sudden acceleration, driving continuously in low gear and driving at constant speed for extended periods.
Thank you for this video, I am purchasing a Toyota in another state and will be driving back around 600 miles. This is valuable information that I will follow.
Change your oil after 500 miles then 1,000, 5,000.
Don't wait till10,000 miles.
Any metal shavings can do harm to your engine parts.
Thanks for new Toyota break-in period tips 👍🏻✅🚙
Fantastic video
It answered all my questions
Great video! What is your opinion on taking a 4Runner TRD Pro with under 200 miles on the highway? Is it OK to hit speeds up to 85 if the acceleration is gentle? Is a 60+ mile trip OK with varied speeds?
Thank you I’m getting my 23’ Prius in 4 days!!
Oil change after 1,000 miles... No matter what...
Hi Toyota Jeff! We just bought a ‘24 Toyota Highlander Hybrid Limited. Should we wait to get to 5k Miles for the first oil change or wait till 5k miles? We absolutely love the car and really love your informative videos.
Should we get the first oil change sooner than 5k miles?
Sometimes, following break in as described is not practical. What if you commute 1 hour every day to work on the interstate? How are you going to be able to vary the speed and engine load without drawing attention to yourself and looking like a jerk?
Take a different route, or don't use it for that commute right away. If you buy the car on Friday, or whenever the end of your work week is, you can spend a couple days doing the initial break-in.
You don't need to worry about speed, you need to worry about RPM, trying to keep it between 2000 and 4000, with a lot of variation. Just watch your tachometer. If that is not working, then try manually shifting gears.
3:40 He says for the first 200 miles to vary the speeds and avoid cruise control and avoid heavy breaking like the mountains. Avoid full RPMs for the first 600 miles.
Full RPM's (redline) should be avoided for the entire life of your engine. During engine break-in keeping the engine at between 2000 and 4000 RPM is best.
Super informative 👏
I always change oil and filter at 5oo miles since 1965,I have had over one hundred cars always work for me.
All engines have metal debries and the new filter is full of it, I always feel the weight of the first filter(always heavy
but looks clean. This works and manufactures want you to wear out sooner than later.The sell new cars??
There is no way that you're feeling the few micro grams of break-in metals in a filter. A used filter will always be heavier than a new filter because there's oil in it.
Thank you
No need to “break in” your car. All new engines that are manufactured today are already “broken in”. Manufacturing departments have quality control where each engine will undergo a heavy load test. In reality these engines are already ran for at least 100km. All you need to do is to follow Toyota service instructions.
Moreover not using cruise control on your brand new car is just stupid imho. If it doesn’t work for a brand new car, it means it doesn’t work and you have to take your vehicle back to the dealer to have it checked and repaired. All new features should work since they day 1
I saw a UA-cam video that disputed that. They examined the oil filter after delivery, and then changed the oil and filter, and found some debris in the filter after the second oil change at 1000 miles, so they concluded that engines are not fully broken in at the factory. However, due to improved manufacturing techniques, engine break-in is not as critical as it was 50 years ago. However, if the car comes with full synthetic motor oil (with advanced friction modifiers) then that makes engine break-in harder to get done properly, because engine break-in depends on friction to seat the rings properly.
671 miles thats very specific
I go 672 just to be safe and you should to
671 miles... Exactly?🤣
Probably an average or something… I had to laugh at that too😂
Did he say 671 miles?
No more, no less 😂
@@CesarGamezT pretty exacting 🤣
It's not 671miles, they are misreading. It's 621miles. The reason it's such a weird number to Americans is that it's 1000kilometers converted to imperial miles. Hope this helps understand why the number seems so arbitrary and precise. There are 195 countries on earth and only 3 don't officially use the metric system: USA, Myanmar, and Liberia.
@@Langhorstiness That definitely makes the most sense and almost certainly correct.However they did repeat the 671 a number of times and using the wrong conversion factor does reduce trust a little.
Some people say that if you baby the car like they advise you will glaze your cylinder walls and the you will develop oil consumption and some loss of power due to compression loss.Dont redline the engine but baby it that much is not good eather.Not driving at 65mph for 3 hours straight is not good.
If that were the case, gas and diesel generators would be seeing constant oil consumption issues. When in reality they run continuously for the equivalent of nearly 1,000,000 miles.
That is correct. Speed is irrelevant, only RPM matters. The purpose of engine break-in is to seat the piston rings with sufficient friction, so that oil consumption (caused by oil slipping past gaps between the piston ring and cylinder wall) will be kept to a minimum during the life of the engine. Babying the engine during break-in is usually worse than excessive RPM's. It is best to keep RPM's between 2000 and 4000 during engine break-in. Because of the way transmissions work, it is may be hard to get over 2000 RPM during constant speed driving.
So this is a good video coz I just bought my new car so you mean that its ok to drive 100 to 120 speed on the highway ?
It's not a myth, change your oil and filter in a new car before 1,000 miles, then every 5,000 miles or six months, whichever occurs first. Watch this video to find out why: ua-cam.com/video/KkfIY0bRNss/v-deo.html
I just bought a RX350H I want to keep the vehicle 10-15 years. I’m for sure gonna change the oil twice a year. But I’ve always changed my oil in a new car around 1000 miles. I was told wait till next year. Do you suggest dumping the oil after 1000miles. Someone told me the oil in the new car is special, I don’t believe that !
The first 671 miles? That's an oddly un-rounded number.
It's not even round when measured in kilometers (671 miles=1079.87 km)! Very odd...
@@philipmarsden7104 it's a mistake... 621 miles = 1000 km. if you search for toyota break in period, 621 miles is a common result.
What about early oil changes? (Engine, transmission, transfer case, differentials)
I bought a 23 tundra and only has 200 miles currently, ive kept low acceleration but have been on the highway at 70-80 for about 2/3 of current miles without realizing it was considered extreme high speeds. Should i still be fine if i dont go up to 70-80 anymore ? Did i do a mistake for going 70-80 and cause some damage? I believe i have not gone above 3,000 rpm while accelerating.
Sounds like he means that the load on the vehicle is more important than the speed, so variable speeds however high or low with soft RPM accelerations not to exceed 3500-4000k RPM would be good. Basically try not to floor it and avoid high load roads like steep mountain territory. I'm learning too so take this with a grain of salt and don't stress.
Speed is irrelevant, only RPM matters. The purpose of engine break-in is to seat the piston rings with sufficient friction, so that oil consumption (caused by oil slipping past gaps between the piston ring and cylinder wall) will be kept to a minimum during the life of the engine. Babying the engine during break-in is usually worse than excessive RPM's. It is best to keep RPM's between 2000 and 4000 during engine break-in.
@3:00 oh man. Bought our car 5 hours away and drove home mostly on cruise control 🙃
And it’s fine isn’t it?
Yes, it’s not going to blow up if you don’t follow the break In process. But it can affect the longevity of the engine, or cause oil consumption down the road, that you will not have otherwise.
I only broke in my engine for 669 miles. Am I screwed?
Yes RIP your engine
Thank you! I am planning a 350 mile trip in my new 2023 Rav4 hybrid. I should have close to a thousand miles by then. It's a boring drive, with a stop around the 200 mile mark. I usually average between 65-75 miles per hour. Am I good?
update on this as i am planning on 200 mile round trip as well
@@alecchae4089
My trip was a breeze. I took the advice of a member of the Rav4 group who said, "It's a new car, enjoy it." I did, and I think you will too!
@@pamelajones9471yes, with having already a thousand miles on the clock before taking your trip, your break-in period should have “seated” your components (brakes, pistons, cylinders, etc.). Nicely done! 😃👍🏼
I know this response is too later for you, but here it is anyway. Speed is irrelevant, only RPM matters. The purpose of engine break-in is to seat the piston rings with sufficient friction, so that oil consumption (caused by oil slipping past gaps between the piston ring and cylinder wall) will be kept to a minimum during the life of the engine. Babying the engine during break-in is usually worse than excessive RPM's. It is best to keep RPM's between 2000 and 4000 during engine break-in. Watch your Tach, and try to make sure the RPM is not constant for long periods of time, and you can increase RPM occasionally quite a bit for short periods by a short acceleration without changing the speed too much.
Yikes! I bought my truck 3 hours away and drove it that same night home and used cruise control. 😢. Hope I didn’t hurt my engine
What matters is engine RPM, not vehicle speed. If you were driving on hilly terrain, then the RPM's probably varied to some degree, but if on flat terrain then probably not. The purpose of engine break-in is to seat the piston rings with sufficient friction, so that oil consumption (caused by oil slipping past gaps between the piston ring and cylinder wall) will be kept to a minimum during the life of the engine. Even if an engine is not properly broken-in, the worst that would likely happen is excess oil consumption in-between oil changes.
I picked up my new tundra a couple of months ago and had to take a toll road back home (approximately one hour drive). I was not stepping on the gas hard but at times I reached speed limits of 75-80. After listening to your comments, now I feel like I screwed up big time. Did my continuous driving on the highway at higher speed hurt the engine
What’s warranty for lifting with aftermarket wheels on a 24’ Tacoma. Heard from two different dealers it’s ok then heard it will void warranty.
Generally good advice but 671 miles exactly is absurd and not backed up by Toyota documentation. My Toyota manual says 1000 miles, which he seems to say at 3:38, but then oddly repeats the "671" figure.
Hi! So im about to pick up a '23 Tacoma TRD Pro this week, only problem is right out the gate to get it home i'm gonna have to cover 630 miles. It's in an area where i have family so i'm making a trip of it. If i still "baby" it on the highway when I leave to go home for that 630 miles on the highway, is that gonna hurt me at all? or should i reconsider and ship it down?
I would also like an answer to this. As like guy above, right out of the gate I have to make a 3 hour trip only 300km mind you but still. Should I be doing anything special?
You should never baby an engine during break-in. Also, speed is irrelevant, only RPM matters. The purpose of engine break-in is to seat the piston rings with sufficient friction, so that oil consumption (caused by oil slipping past gaps between the piston ring and cylinder wall) will be kept to a minimum during the life of the engine. Babying the engine during break-in is usually worse than excessive RPM's. It is best to keep RPM's between 2000 and 4000 during engine break-in.
Oh no! I only did 670 miles!!! I’m hosed!
okay, did I mess up? I purchased a 2023 4Runner TRD PRO. Currently have 1050 miles. But I already did 2 freeway trips, on separate days, each being about 150 miles where I did about 60-75mph for 30 mins continuously at times as well..
No mentioning on oil change. Toyota is suggesting first oil change with a new car after 10000km...where others suggest first after 1500km and than every 5000km or twice a year, and if you want to do it your way they threatening you with warranty loss.
I have a quick question about my 2024 Corolla Hybrid LE. When the car is on hold and I shift into reverse (with the brake pressed), it starts to reverse but then stops abruptly, almost like there’s a chalk under the wheel and the car is trying to drive over it. Is this a concern(500 miles)
Nothing mentioned on Oil change? So many opinions about when to do the first break in Oil Change. Many say 1000 miles. Is it needed? Also I would rather go with the manufacturer rather than dealership regarding service intervals.
Oil change interval (or first oil change) is not related to engine break-in (where the goal is to have sufficient friction to seat the rings properly), so that is why it was not mentioned in the video.
Melenium Falcon in background is distracting my attention span.
That’s awesome! Some of our cars could probably make the Kessel Run too!
671 seems ridiculously exact, what at 670 the engine will blow up?
I bought a brand new Toyota Corolla a couple months ago and during the test drive there was only ten miles on the vehicle because it just came off the trucks. During the test drive I told the Toyota worker I wanted to see how fast it could go and he did not tell me about the break-in, so when I went to put the pedal down you could feel the engine shake because it's not ready for that and the stupid Toyota worker didn't tell me anything beforehand. Do you think that could have caused damage to my engine? I was also using the cruise control auto-drive settings with the Toyota rep in the car and not once did he tell me I had to wait till I reach the certain amount of miles
Nope.... I'm certain you were not driving for an hour with the pedal to the metal..... You're car is absolutely 100% fine....
Still Toyota workers should know proper procedures , even if the cars fine it puts doubt in the consumer because most people learn about this after
Should i change the original oil or wait until 15000kms, Australia
I purchased mine from a dealer about 200 miles from my home. I left the dealership and immediately drove it two and a half hours with the cruise control set at seventy miles per hour. Do you think I may have ruined the engine? At least I didn’t touch the brake pedal.
You didn’t ruin it, but it’s not ideal. You may possible see oil consumption at 100k miles instead of 150k for example. And that’s no numerical fact. Just made that up as an example . The rings may not seat as well, etc. your engine is certainly not ruined, you will probably notice no difference. But it is a good idea to follow the procedure for the best possible outcome
How many miles before doing the first oil change? I keep hearing 10,000 miles? That doesn't sound right especially for the first oil change. I had my oil changed in my new Rav4 hybrid at the 6,000 miles mark and I'm not an aggressive driver.
That’s a really good question! We will get that video posted on our channel within a week for you! Thanks Henry - from Jeff Teague
Waiting for this answer as well. Specifically for a 4runner.
I've always heard to do your first oil change super early, like 600 miles then another at 1250ish then go normal from there. There's a lot of leaching from seals and a bunch of metal bits flying around. You really can't change oil too often and the first 1000 miles are always the hardest
hello, what are Toyota crown 2023 break in period?
is it the same?
Treat it like you're borrowing it? Maybe caveat that with "borrowing your best friend's Ferrari" and not "borrowing a car from Hertz Car Rental". People drive those 2 different cars in 2 different manners 😂
Supra break in is 2k km and its killing me lol
Unless you got yours right off the truck, some idiot probably already raced the engine during test drive.
I have a hybrid. Most trips I'm told the trip is 50% or more electric (I read that as electric only, but I might eb wrong)... Does this change the break-in period?
Yes, that would extend the break-in period.
Can the head on a dynamic force 2.0 engine be rebuilt like the 1.8 can ?
How does this apply to a hybrid that turns off and on through the trip?
671 miles? Not 600 or 650 0r 700 BUT 671? What or why such a weird number?/
Thanks for the video . Should i avoid hills in the break in period? thanks
Yes absolutely if you can...if the trio takes longer because you have to go around the mountain rather then over it then so be it
I wonder how they came up with the 671 miles ? Hmmm................
How many miles before the first change oil of a brand new Rav4?
500 miles oil and filter
What about hybrid vehicles?
I used cruise control for about 10 miles after I drove it off the lot. Did I make a mistake?
Yes, using cruise control the first 10 miles was a mistake if you were on flat terrain. What really matters is RPM not engine speed, so if on hilly terrain, it is possible that it varied to a sufficient amount. But I would not worry too much about 10 miles.
Just bought a 2O24 GR86, brand new only 2Omi when I test drove and only 9O when I purchased. I'm still under 5OOmi but haven't been ginger with her. I HAVEN'T pushed her to the limit...
But I have sped around a bit on back roads and straights and wound her around windy country roads... lets say 1O% of the time she's been driving this week...
The other 9O% of the time I'm driving her like a school teacher around town and keeping her in 4th, 5th and 6th over 5Omph...
Did I screw her? Is she gonna have engine troubles?
It is best to keep RPM's between 2000 and 4000 during engine break-in. Vehicle speed is irrelevant. The purpose of engine break-in is to seat the piston rings with sufficient friction, so that oil consumption (caused by oil slipping past gaps between the piston ring and cylinder wall) will be kept to a minimum during the life of the engine. Babying the engine during break-in is usually worse than excessive RPM's, but hard to say in your case exactly what RPM's you drove the engine to.
@@Mark-rw3kw when I did open her up (before becoming aware of engine break in) the most I took her too was around 6k RPM... and it was only once or twice on a long stretch back road... and I didn't sustain 6K RPM... changed up after maybe 2 seconds at most...
Rest of driving (for about 4 days before learning I need to break the engine in) was daily driving... not babying it... but not driving crazy either...
Once I learned I needed to break in (was at about 2OO miles when I learned) I then kept her under 4K RPM at all costs... didn't baby her but I also was conscious of RPMs and set my limiter at 3.5K to remind me.
Now am at 1,19O miles currently... slowly giving her a little more push day by day but nothing crazy.
Fluids all are fine as I've been checking them once a week.
That information give you more insight?
@@KennethFabritius I am not here to pass judgement on what you did. I am just passing along what I know about the subject. I also don't know exactly what engine that is or what the redline is. Probably 6K for a few seconds won't hurt anything, but personally I have never need to that high of an RPM on any car I have owned. But usually it is better to overdo it, rather than baby it, during break-in, but every engine is different.
@@Mark-rw3kw Kewl... didn't take it as you passing judgement... just was giving you more information in case you wanted to expand your opinion.
Thank for your input!
What about oil changes
Please tell me why cruise control is off limits for 200 miles. Thank you.
I believe he means cruise control keeps the engine at a constant speed, which needs to be avoided
Wait, wasn’t that dude an offensive lineman for the Dallas Cowboys?
No my bad, that was Nate Newton.
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When should I do the first oil change?
750 miles
Do I change the transmission fluid at 50,000 miles?
Refer to the owners manual or maintenance guide from the manufacturer (not what the dealer tells you).
"For the first 1000 miles treat it like you're borrowing it...".
So redline it and have fun?
Babying the engine during break-in is usually worse than excessive RPM's. It is best to keep RPM's between 2000 and 4000 during engine break-in. Do not ever redline an engine, at any time even after break-in, unless an emergency.
I don't believe most people will and have not followed this break in period. YOU GUYS KNOW IT TOO. BESIDES WHO DOES THIS? Not many people I'm sure.
Why would you believe, or listen to Toyota when they refuse to acknowledge and or rectify obvious and massive faults with their vehicles ie DPF's and also still mandate ridiculous 6 month/10 000km service intervals.
Not to mention that, compared to their opposition most of their vehicles are over priced and technically inferior.
Toyota does not care about the customers. I bought a 2024 Lexus Luxury Edition and like many other owners received only one complete fob and one with just a mechanical key and no fob. This unacceptable practice and been going on since 2020 and many have yet to receive a fob. They have many excuses but the pandemic is long over so chip shortage is just another worthless excuse. Please go to the Lexus forum and see for yourself. I bought a Honda and lo and behold I received two fobs and much better customer service. When my four-year warranty is up I will probably buy an Acura top trim level. Toyota has gotten arrogant and complacent with their customers and this is more proof if you ever needed any. IMHO
Did you finance the car with Toyota? Sometimes they like to keep a key in case they want to repo it.
So when I pick up my new Camry from a dealer 300 miles away from home, what would be a good driving strategy?