I worked after school for a gunsmith my senior year. He convinced me to purchase a 6mm as my first brand new pay for myself deer rifle. In 1985 I bought a Remington 700 ADL 6mm and all was well in my world that day. Wish I still had it today.
I had a 6mm Remington 700 BDL and lost it to my at the time 9 year old daughter who is 30 now and it’s still her go to deer rifle. Hand loaded 95 partitions have claimed whitetail from South Texas to Kansas and every where in between. All 1 shot kills with the exception of a 180 inch boomer from south Texas and the the first shot did the job but she wasn’t taken any chances. Didn’t blamed for using a extra one on him. Great show
This is the first cartridge I ever started reloading for back in the late 70s, my father gave me his Remington 722 that he bought new in 1957, it’s a beauty of a rifle to this day. I love all these newfangled dangle 6 mm wildcat cartridges but I’ll tell you the 244 can and will run with them all.
My .244 is a 1957 model. It has the most beautiful wood I have ever seen on a factory 700 class Remington. I use either Sierra 85 grain HPBT or Barnes 85 grain TSX bullets. It shoots very well, as you would expect from the old Remingtons. I feel very lucky to have this old mint condition .244.
Growing up, My Dad and Uncle were sponsored (Skeet/Trap) shooters for Remington-Peters (who remembers Peters?). He and my Uncle had the first Remington 740s in my home state. I remember all those old Remington ammo boxes sitting in the closet (and tons of old Peters paper hull shotgun shells). Good times.
I have a nice custom 6mm I had made, in addition to the "new" 6mm Model 700 ADL that I got in around 1964 when Remington introduced the 6mm in the 1 in 9 twist. Yes I hand load, and love the traditional round. It rocks and has a beautiful proportioned cartridge.
I have a Ruger M77 in 6MM. I've taken antelope, deer and three elk with it; all one shot kills. Shot placement was excellent but the 6MM has plenty of energy pushing a 100 grain bullet at 3000 fps. It's a great round. Great videos, Ron.
My first centerfire rifle was a 6mm Remington 788. I still have it. It was my only hunting rifle while I was raising my family. I used it for decades while the kids were in school. It is incredibly accurate.
have the same in a left hand bolt. 43 year old rifle.....3 moa with 55 grain nosler varmegegdons at 100. took a nice white tail at 300 with barnes 80 ttsx. went 40 yards.
I’m still waiting for my 6mm Rem Mauser 98 custom to be finished by a local gunsmith.. 3 months so far.. but it’ll be worth the wait. Great to see my favourite Calibres get a video from Ron
Nothing beats listening to the 'old fuds'. Just a wealth of experience, which I like to take advantage of! Thank you, appreciate it very much! Greets, T.
I have a 6mm that I bought in 1977, taken both deer and antelope with it…just flattens them! I use both Hornady SST 95gr and Nosler Ballistic Tip 95gr, both are accurate and work very well.
Was just at the range yesterday with a 243 and 95 gr btips. Dang those bullets shoot good. Then a guy showed up with a 240 Weatherby. 6mm are game getters.
Thanks Ron. The Remington 6mm was my first official deer rifle. I had taken my first buck with a 223 Remington, but my father wanted me to have something a little bigger in caliber size for shooting 100 to 200 pound whitetail deer with. My uncle had built a 6mm on a Mauser 98 action and sold it to my father for me to have as a deer rifle. He told me that he had hand carved the stock himself and took a lot of time putting that rifle together. He asked that I not sell it to anyone outside of the family. I still have it today and I literally have loaded a thousand or more 6mm rounds for it over the years. It is such a pleasure to shoot. It isn't my primary deer rifle these days, but it is still "My Deer Rifle". I acquired it in 1980 so I assume it has the faster twist rate. I'd have to verify that as I am not sure what year my uncle purchased the Shilen barrel for it.
Nice rifle, good to see someone building a rifle on a older almost forgotten cartridge that is very powerful. Would like to see you do an episode and comparison of the 6 284 , 6mm 06 and the 240 WBY ! Thanks Ron .
I have looked at the 6mm-06 @ 240 wb. They are very close. I think they can get 100-300 fps over the 6mm remington. I don't know about the 6-284. I have a buddy that likes the 6.5 284 and the 25 284 I think I will try and get him to build a 6 284 just to see what it does.
Tbj Tbj The 6 284 is ballistically identical to the 6mm 06 however you can chamber it in a short action. I built one on a REM short action 25 years ago , it shot very well but burned up the throat after 400 to 500 rounds ( partially my fault ) ! It is very fast and likes IMR 4350 IMR 4831 H 4831 RL22 H 450 , any powders in that burn range. It could be a great long range cartridge with a fast twist 1 in 8 or 1 in 7.5 twist barrel and some of the new heavy VLD 6mm bullets that are available now ! Hope that helps .
I think the longer you use a cartridge and rifle the better you know how to use it. The 244 was just late for dinner and one little problem with twist rate was broad cast in shooting magazines as a flaw but, easily corrected. The 244 cartridge does outperform the 243 in performance just didn’t outperform the 243 in sales.🙂
I Have an old Ruger 77 6mm Rem with a heavy barrel contour. It has a 1:10 twist. My favorite load is the Sierra 85 gr. HPBT Gameking and Imr 4831. Great all around bullet for deer and varmints. Love this cartridge.
When I saw the title I thought some one finally started chambering 6mm Remington again! My dad traded a shotgun for a Remington 7400 in 6mm Remington when I was 12 for my first deer rifle. I've taken numerous deer with the gun and I absolutely love the caliber. Recently, I purchased a 6mm Remington barrel with a 1 in 7.5 twist for my T/C Encore and it shoots phenomenally. I look forward to this coming summer so I can develop a new load with 107gr hunting loads. 😁
During the whole video, I was thinking to myself; "I wonder if I should get a barrel made for my encore? " Good to know yours is a shooter! Who made your barrel?
@@DeepOwl1073 it's an MGM barrel. It's 24 inches long with the 1 in 7.5 twist. Heavy factory profile. It's awesome, I look forward to using it for hunting next year!
I built one in 1985 on a Parker Hale Mauser action with a ER Shaw 26" 1:10" medium heavy barrel it now has a Leupold 6.5x20 scope it is still a tack driver with Hornady 87 grain Vmax
Hi Ron thank you as always for the videos - they’re excellent!!! I had a Remington model 700 BDL in 6mm when i had a small farm in Northern NSW some time ago. I had wild dog problems, as well as lots and lots of kangaroos eating the “pick” which meant my cattle and horses didn’t eat so good. As well as this problem I had to shoot many kangaroos from time to time because of the damage they did to my fencing as well taking away the food from my animals. The 6mm was very effective nullifying this problem. In fact it was too much, and swapped it with a friend for another Remington model 700 BDL this time in the classic .222 calibre. This was sufficient for my needs with less recoil, noise substantially lower and generally much more pleasant. In particular the 50g Sierra projectile was devastating on the soft skinned roos. Even though i had the 6mm for a short time i was impressed with it’s performance. Anyway thanks again for a wonderful channel and keep up the great work 👍 Cheers from “Down Under” Australia 🇦🇺
The 222 is actually highly effective for shooting tuff hide whitetail deer here in Texas, that's what we've always introduced our young ones to hunting with because very little recoil with alot of terminal damage.
I have a 244 in a REM. Mod. 742 , have had it since the early 60’s , have many deer and a few elk with it ,like the caliber. I also have a Ruger mod. 77 in 6mm . and a Remington model 700 also in 6mm, love the performance of this round, Thanks for podcast shows. 77
What kind of bullets do you use on Elk with the 6 mm ? Those Remington 742's surprised me on how accurate they can be. My grandfather gave me his 742 in 30)06. It is unbelievable on how accurate it is with handloaded 180 gr. Corelokts.
I very much enjoyed listening to you both talk about the 244/6mm. Your friendship resonates to guys like me who have never met either of you. Have a great Thanksgiving & merry Christmas to both of you.
Before ammo got hard to find out of my 243 Thompson Centerfire venture one in 10 twist I had bought some 105 grain bullets and it seemed to stabilize them good enough for hunting sub moa
@@bearkawiboy6246 not at all. All around the 244/6mm r was the better round. But marketing and the idea that you had to have a 100gr bullet to shoot deer. Which you don't. The federal 80gr 6mm load drops deer and hogs like lightning.
Ran into an experienced hunter and handloader selling 6mm brass today. I asked if it was the same 6mm as .244 Rem so as to avoid confusion and he couldn't answer.
6mm rem was my first rifle and has been my only deer rifle ever since. I shoot the 95gr hornady sst and put coues down out to 600 yards. Never a problem putting them down and it is an absolute tack driver. I don't ever see myself hunting anything smaller than an elk with anything else. I'd take it over any of the new 6mm's. I really need to get into reloading because 6mm rem is virtually gone and I'm down to one box left, but I have 6 or 7 boxes of brass.
From what I have been seeing here in Canada, the 243 is fading out as well. It's not as common to get a firearm in that chambering. Everything is leaning towards 6.5 Creedmoor, 223 and 308. I am excited to see more and more people waking up to 6mm Remington and I'm dying to get a modern Remington 700 in that chambering in 5R.
I sold a new old stock Remington 700 BDL a while back to a dealer for just over double what I could have gotten retail pricing if it had been any other standard caliber he didn't even dicker with me on the $1500 pricing if it had been a 243 a dealer wouldn't have given me more than $400 maybe $500, and sold it for retail for $700. I told him it had never been fired. And he said " and it probably never will be" he's not selling it.
Great video. Nice rifle. Always love to learn about the evolution of cartridges. It did occur to me part way through that the entire history & performance of 244 vs 243 could lend itself to a very solid argument for the 25-06. From what I've been able to piece together within my limited knowledge & experience the 25-06 & 7mm-08 should be among the most popular deer cartridges, and therefore readily available on any store shelf. However, where I'm from they are very scarce, as are the rifles new or used. I do believe that consumer demand may increase in the coming years, as I see all the 'new and exciting' cartridges hard pressed to outperform some of these old standbys. Marketing along with consumer knowledge/ignorance seem to drive the market demands, however you don't have to dive too deep to discover that while "6.5 creedmore" sounds fancy, it has had lots of competition already on the shelf. For me, in the land of deer hunting, 243, 25-06, 7mm-08, & 270 really encompass a straightforward yet simplified approach to the 'which cartridge' question. Yes there are many to choose from (.257 Weatherby...) but as we become more enlightened and lose our lust for BIG MAGNUM cartridges to stop an itty bitty deer, and you factor in the relationship between accuracy & recoil, not to mention shoulder pain (for some) the sweet spot imo seems to fall in that 25-06 / 7mm-08 range. Unfortunately, when you factor in ammo availability, well 243 & 270 win all day long. So I find myself battling with: do I trust the 243 has the right grain formula for different situations or do I try to dumb down a 270 to meet the simple pop needed to stop a whitetail? Basically I don't see alot of ammo for the other two tweeners, so will I be happy with going above or below. Although it sounds like a conundrum, it really is an enjoyable exercise to ponder. I guess I'll just have buy more rifles to complete this experiment!
You have good taste. 25-06, 6.5cm and 7mm-08 are by far my favorite deer calibers. Plenty of bullet weight+speed to get the job done on any size buck. Good ballistics. Little recoil.
I have a 243, 25/06, 270, 7mm08 7mm rem mag and the old killing machine 30/06. My 25/06 is the go too on deer size animals. By far my favorite for 35 years.
I have a 700 left hand long action in 6mm rem. Twist rate is 8.5 to 1. Custom built with a bit more lead for longer bullets, I'm still working with various loads . So far very happy with it. Took a mature whitetail using Sierra 90 gr TGK. OAl cartridge length is 3.013 . Should I call it a 6 X 57 ?
So did that long action actually start life as a Remington 721???? Just wondering. I have my dads 721 in .30 06 and it is still one of the most accurate rifles in my collection.
I was first introduced to the .244/6mm Remington from an old WW2 veteran neighbor. He made it on a Mauser 98 that looked kinda like an early FN action. Smooth as silk action and the barrel was made by Timken steel the bearing maker. He told me it was made from the same material as a truck axle. He sold me the rifle. It is a beauty. I sure miss that ole timer.
Great video as always! It's now causing me to handload some 6 mm Rem. ammo for my Rem. 700 BDL. Going to use it during doe season. Barnes bullets are awesome! Great accuracy and performance.
Je possède une bonne vieille rem 788 en 244 6m/m que je recharge en 70grs pour réguler les nuisibles en France. Idéal pour la régulation des FOX et autres.
I bought a used Remington 722 in the .244 Remington caliber in 1987, it had a beautiful laminated wood stock with the 1 in 12" twist rate, it was about a year after I started reloading and the loads I used worked well with any brand 80-grain bullets. The rifle was made in the mid to the late 1950s so the barrel had a little wear at the throat, that's why I seated the bullets a little higher than what was specified in the reloading manuals. I ended up selling the rifle in 1993 to somebody who replaced the barrel and I bought a brand new Remington 700 BDL in the 6 mm Rem caliber with the faster twist rate and I put a new synthetic stock on it in 1995. I love how this rifle shoots.
I've been shooting a Remington 700 chambered in 6mm Remington (244 Remington) for decades. Over this time I have found the 6mm Rem to be superior to the .243 Winchester. The only other 6mm round I am familiar with is the 6mm ARC by Hornady. The only thing I can see where the ARC round has an edge is in shooting heavier bullets. At the same time, I've taken many deer, both whitetail and mule deer with the 6mm Rem and never had one get too far. I'll keep to my 6mm Rem as it is a tack driver as long as I do my part. I also have a 6mm ARC in an AR platform and it is an excellent shooter also. I really do wish some of the gun manufacturers would start chambering rifles in 6mm Rem again, and use a faster twist. It would become the king of 6mm's hands down. I also agree with you both that handloading is the way to go. I've been doing it since I was a teen and I'm on the north side of 70 now. I am currently contemplating rebarreling my 6mm Rem with a faster twist. Ron, who would you recommend here in Idaho for that. I live in the Treasure Valley.
Last year Ruger was chambering the 6mm Rem. I believe it was in the Ruger American Predator. I’m from Pa and Grice Gun Shop does some exclusives only to them. That’s where I saw it for a short time.
My first Big Game Rifle I bought new a Remington 700 BDL 6mm Rem. in 1976 a Great Deer & Antelope Cartridge. IMHO Great Coyote Rifle as well. Just FYI Ron has the best looking 6mm Rem I have ever seen in one of his videos.
When I was looking at getting a deer rifle in 1969! The Remington 6 mm and the Winchester 243 were both very popular rounds at the time. After lots of shopping I ended up with a Remington 700 in 243.
Ron...Again, I just enjoyed another on of your videos...the .244/6mm Rem...My favorite cartridge! For years I hunted using a Remington 722 short action originally chambered in .244 Remington. it was rebarreled in a One in Ten twist 6mm...and chamberred for the Warren Paige Super Pooper! It shot 6mm Rem's and fire formed them. Did you know just before Remington changed to 6mm Rem...they called the new round the "6 mm Mag?" I owned one of the first ones in a 742...It had 6mm Mag "XXX out" ...and stamped 6mm Rem. In fact it TRULY IS a .243 Mag! One rifle I proudly own today is a Dumoilin Belguim Mauser in 6mm Rem...a real find on Gun Broker...years ago! Ron...I have not seen anything on the 300 Savage??? For years it was used to take everything 200 yards and under. There is a famous quote..."Don't ever underestimate a man with a .300 Savage!" :) Keep up your great work...I am now pushing 80 and have become an "arm chair" hunter! THANKS!!! David
I did not know that about the historic 244/6mm. Thanks for the history, David! Yes, the 300 Savage is a great round, but it lost steam once the 308 Win. appeared. Not likely to enjoy a resurgence.
Have a Ruger 77V tang safety. In 6mm Remington. Want to try the new VLD bullets in. Just have not done it yet. When I bought it ( mid 80's) you were doing good to hit 8x10 paper at 100 yrds. With a little tinkering she came around to 1 in or less.
Thanks for the video. I was a teenager in the sixties and wanted a 244 in a rem. 722. Could not find one so I screwed a Douglass 1in 12 244 into a Mauser action and had a really accurate coyote and jack rabbit knocker. I am sure the 75 grain hollow points were going over 3600. Built a 6mm-06 later with 1 in 12 and liked it better because I could find 25-06 brass easier. Run it through a die 58 grains of powder and go hunting. Did a chrony on it years later and it was running 75 gr. at 3750 87 gr. 3600 and 65 gr. 4150. The 65 gr. would make a exploding target out of a crow. I made a 22 Cheetah on a Rem. 700 action with 1 in 16 and I use it for coyotes more now. Runs 55 gr. at 4050 very accurate and is instant death with no exit on a coyote.
The 62grain vg from barnes. Does incredible damage but still has at least part of the bullet pass through. Although some fragmentation around the bullet area
I had a 243 in a Remington 700 ADL when they first came out and later rebarreled in 6mm Rem. I have killed a pile of deer with it! An overlooked cartridge that was developed in the early 1950's is the 243 Rockchucker! A 257 Roberts necked down to 6mm/243 with a 32 degree shoulder that never caught on but is virtually identical to the 6mm!
You are correct no one chambers it anymore but some where between 2014 to 2018 Ruger master dealers got a chance at a limited edition Ruger American predator chambered in it the store I worked for was smaller volume in sales so I did not receive one but a big store 20 miles down the road had 3 come in but they only lasted about 1 day on the shelf
I just found my late uncle's 244 in storage and have been fascinated with it ever since. Hopefully I can find some 6mm shells in my area to test it one day.
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I really like the .244/6mm cartridge. I got a Remington 600 with the vent rib in 6mm, and chrome moly 18 inch barrel and it has a 1:9 twist rate. A fabulous bush gun, better than the .243. Got it in early 1970,s along some boxes of Peters and Remington in .244 green boxes and yellow/blue like those you guys showed. It is very accurate as we used to take big 20 pound ground hogs easily as far as 400 yards. A flat shooting round and surprisingly accurate in that rifle. The Remington 600 in 6mm has become a collectors rifle and I will likely sell mine since it hasn't been used in a long time.
I've a Remington model 600 6mm rem that's my favorite go to feed the chillen of all mine, I plan to have a boyd stock on it by the time season rolls around. Next in line of my favoritism is actually a Mossberg 243, extremely accurate and loaded with hornady interlock I would be comfortable hunting moose.
I consider myself a cartridge collector/historian. The level of intrigue that wells up from my soul iseeing this video title is likely unimaginable for the average gun person.
I'm currently looking for a decent deal on a LA 700 action or a rifle. The reason is I want a long action for my 257-roberts and another for a 6mm Remington. I do have a LA Mauser that will probably have a barrel change to one of those
I shoot a Remington model 760 244. I load a 87 grain bullet with 37 grains of IMR 4895 and it shoots very good. iv'e had the rifle sense 1962 and shot different game with it, its very effective round if placed in the right spot .
my father had a 244 remington. he knew his stuff. he said the 244 had no problems in stabilizing a longer bullet (100) grain. his 244 shot them all. my 6mm in a 788 remington is my sweetheart. hornady 100 gr btsp and hornady 75 gr hp. shoots like a house ah fire--"per my father".
i did not know remington changed the twist and left 244 on the barrel? anyway i"ve shot up the country side with my 6mm. i never have looked at a 243. thank you, Ron
For a fairly reasonable price I'd have to go to ER Shaw and order a Savage based MKVII in the 6 mm Rem. and select the barrel length, type, and a twist rate of 1-7, 1-8, 1-9, or 1-10. That might be the ticket. Now, would it be a short action or long action if I wanted the long 6 mm bullets? Probably around $1,080 including shipping. Not too bad to get what you want in a nice WALNUT Stock
The only firearm my dad ever owned was a Remington 700 in 6mm Rem. I had always assumed it belonged to one of my uncles since one of them always had it but when I gifted my father a Mk77 Ruger .270 for his 60th birthday, he told me "what do I do with mine?" He fished it out from the back of his closet and gave it to me. It's 100% the reason I started reloading since ammo isn't common. Unfortunately I never got to go hunting with him but now the .270 is mine and I'll hand the 6mm to my son or daughter.
I have one also, I believe the rear locking lugs contribute to the excellent accuracy. Mine was labeled left hand, the bolt is on the left, the round is ejected on the right side.
I agree that Remington did promote their new 6mm hotrod as a varmint round, and a fine varmint round it is. Nosler has made big game bullets in 6mm for years that would work fine from the 1-12" twist of the .244 but they were a reloading proposition. My personal .244 has a Douglas #6 Light Target barrel with the original 1-12" twist and 70 grain Noslet BT's shoot five shots one half MOA. On windy days it is my "go to" for groundhogs. Great work as always Ron!
I just got a quote today to drop my .243 Rem 700 back to a 1-12 twist 26" varmint barrel. The 1-9 is just too fast for a 60gr at 4000+ fps. I have to load back to 3700fps to get them to group and the barrel copper fouls badly. Sierra tech tells me the 85gr gamekings will still stabilize with a 1-12
That is a fantastic rifle. Can't beat a one of a kind custom creation. Hey Ron, I literally just watched a video of yours the other day where you were shooting a 6mm Rem Mag that you own. This whole topic and story of the original 6MM is one of my all time favorites, for sure. In the video of you shooting your 6MM, you said the rifle builder misunderstood what you wanted, and had put an original 1 in 12 rifled barrel on it. Did you ever re-barrel that bad little dude? If not, you probably should. It is a really nice little rifle indeed. My uncle now owns an old 6mm Rem Mag, that my dad bought in 1966. Funny how things turn out. Somehow my uncle ended with both, mine and my dad's first deer rifles. They are both model, 600 Mowhawk. My dad's was the 6MM Rem Mag, and mine was the .243 Winchester. Totally fine with me that my uncle Steve has them both. He has a beautiful peace of land in Rocksprings, Texas and I go hunting there whenever I can. So it seems like a pretty fair trade. Free ranging exotics, so it is always going to be an exciting hunt. That is how I decided that I did not want to use a 6MM when I hunt there. First time I went, I had my 243 and saw 2 Red Stag doe out at about 300+ yards. That's how I ended up choosing to hunt there with my trusty 300 Win Mag instead. I only shoot 180gr Hornady SST with 271 SD @3130 fps. So, I will gladly take the opportunity to place that shot, if it ever presents itself again. Sadly... it has not.
James, I've hunted near Rocksprings a time or two. Great country. No, I have not rebarreled that 6mm of mine. Many viewers suggested I do, but more argued against that. I'm still on the fence, but because it shoots 80-gr. TTSX bullets so precisely and they kill deer so effectively, I suspect I'll stick with the old 1:12 twist barrel.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yeah, that part of Texas is very beautiful. My uncle's place has a literal mountain right in the middle, too. We climb up upon to hunt down from. It takes about 40 minutes to get to the top from camp. Making the hunt seem much more deserved. It makes for a completely unique experience, over just jumping out of the truck and getting into a box blind. Well, unless of course it's raining. Then I will be taking that ole' truck and box blind combo! That is a really valid point about your rifle. There is no reason to change barrels if you will only be shooting those TTSX 80's. And after hearing you tell the story of how P.O. Ackley was saying that the 220 Swift was capable of punching 3/8" holes in a 1/2" steel plate with a tiny 40gr bullet, that is quite the convincing testament for speed.
Interesting history . . . the .243/6mm bore intrigues me for a niche jump from the .22 WMR. The .22 centers just don't offer any utility for my purposes. Handloading a variety in a 1-10" twist for song dogs to wolves to deer might be fun. Informative and entertaining video as usual.
I have a 6mm Remington 700BDL that I bought for my son to use... He took his 1st mule doe with it. I think the 6mm is great for deer, pronghorn, elk (200yds or less) and black bears. I started with a old used Remington 788 that could put 5 shots on a dime at 100 yards... I sold that gun and regretted it ever since. Getting ammo was never a big issue until the past 2 years. There was always Remington Core-Loc 100 grain PSP in most places. Now I'm going to have to start hand-loading. I would love to see some hunting bullets in 105-110 grains.
Pre 68 Rem. 700 BDL. Weaver 3-9 wide field. Hornady 87 gr. IMR 4350 243. Probably up to 50 whitetail, many coyotes, ground hogs to many to mention. I'm 79, just took a buck at 200 yds. Still a nail driver.
I chose it for the longer neck, more capacity, and with long action the long skinny bc bullets. It is a handloading cartridge though. X-Caliber is just one company making barrels for this cartridge.
Have some .244 marked brass. Cool cartridge and if 6mm cases were easier to find I would’ve built my custom coyote gun in .244 with a medium-fast twist rather than 6mm Creedmoor with a slower twist.
Okay, I have been a long time fan of the 243. Having said that and because of your videos I have an interest in the 244/6mm but may be a bit confused. I get the reasons the 244 never made it big. The rifling twist was a big factor but I am understanding the 6mm Rem is nothing more than a rifling twist change that allows it to compete with the 243 and perform slightly better. Is that about it in a nutshell? Helping my nephew make common sense decisions in hunting rifles his choices have been a 270 Win and a 30-06. Looking at a dual use rifle the choices are a 6mm Rem or a 22-250 for smaller animals/varmints. Your thoughts' on that?
I worked after school for a gunsmith my senior year. He convinced me to purchase a 6mm as my first brand new pay for myself deer rifle. In 1985 I bought a Remington 700 ADL 6mm and all was well in my world that day. Wish I still had it today.
I had a 6mm Remington 700 BDL and lost it to my at the time 9 year old daughter who is 30 now and it’s still her go to deer rifle. Hand loaded 95 partitions have claimed whitetail from South Texas to Kansas and every where in between. All 1 shot kills with the exception of a 180 inch boomer from south Texas and the the first shot did the job but she wasn’t taken any chances. Didn’t blamed for using a extra one on him. Great show
Always good to hear that good shot placement beats larger calibres.
244 Rem
This is the first cartridge I ever started reloading for back in the late 70s, my father gave me his Remington 722 that he bought new in 1957, it’s a beauty of a rifle to this day. I love all these newfangled dangle 6 mm wildcat cartridges but I’ll tell you the 244 can and will run with them all.
I LOVE the sound of that bullet impact.
The 6mm Rem with a 115 Berger has astounding ballistics.
What twist rate do you have then? I have 1:8, but I have never tried that long bullets.
@@leeprimeroessler3277 The Berger site says a 1:8 is perfect...at 6200 feet ;)
J.T.Patton - I've been using Sierra, Hornady, and Nosler for my reloads and I want to try the Berger 90-100 grain bullets.
My .244 is a 1957 model. It has the most beautiful wood I have ever seen on a factory 700 class Remington. I use either Sierra 85 grain HPBT or Barnes 85 grain TSX bullets. It shoots very well, as you would expect from the old Remingtons. I feel very lucky to have this old mint condition .244.
I have a Rem244. I'm second owner of this custom rifle. Mine has a 1 in 9.5 twist and just getting ready try 105gr bullets. Love my 244.
Growing up, My Dad and Uncle were sponsored (Skeet/Trap) shooters for Remington-Peters (who remembers Peters?). He and my Uncle had the first Remington 740s in my home state. I remember all those old Remington ammo boxes sitting in the closet (and tons of old Peters paper hull shotgun shells). Good times.
I have a nice custom 6mm I had made, in addition to the "new" 6mm Model 700 ADL that I got in around 1964 when Remington introduced the 6mm in the 1 in 9 twist. Yes I hand load, and love the traditional round. It rocks and has a beautiful proportioned cartridge.
I have a Ruger M77 in 6MM. I've taken antelope, deer and three elk with it; all one shot kills. Shot placement was excellent but the 6MM has plenty of energy pushing a 100 grain bullet at 3000 fps. It's a great round. Great videos, Ron.
My first centerfire rifle was a 6mm Remington 788. I still have it. It was my only hunting rifle while I was raising my family. I used it for decades while the kids were in school. It is incredibly accurate.
have the same in a left hand bolt. 43 year old rifle.....3 moa with 55 grain nosler varmegegdons at 100. took a nice white tail at 300 with barnes 80 ttsx. went 40 yards.
My first deer rifle was a Remington model 788 in 6 mm rem. Got it in 1976 I believe. Still have it and my oldest son took his first deer with it too.
So did my son and his daughter. The 788 was a better shooter than Remington anticipated. A real tack driver.
I’m still waiting for my 6mm Rem Mauser 98 custom to be finished by a local gunsmith.. 3 months so far.. but it’ll be worth the wait. Great to see my favourite Calibres get a video from Ron
Nothing beats listening to the 'old fuds'. Just a wealth of experience, which I like to take advantage of! Thank you, appreciate it very much!
Greets, T.
I have a 6mm that I bought in 1977, taken both deer and antelope with it…just flattens them!
I use both Hornady SST 95gr and Nosler Ballistic Tip 95gr, both are accurate and work very well.
Was just at the range yesterday with a 243 and 95 gr btips. Dang those bullets shoot good. Then a guy showed up with a 240 Weatherby. 6mm are game getters.
Thanks Ron. The Remington 6mm was my first official deer rifle. I had taken my first buck with a 223 Remington, but my father wanted me to have something a little bigger in caliber size for shooting 100 to 200 pound whitetail deer with. My uncle had built a 6mm on a Mauser 98 action and sold it to my father for me to have as a deer rifle. He told me that he had hand carved the stock himself and took a lot of time putting that rifle together. He asked that I not sell it to anyone outside of the family. I still have it today and I literally have loaded a thousand or more 6mm rounds for it over the years. It is such a pleasure to shoot. It isn't my primary deer rifle these days, but it is still "My Deer Rifle". I acquired it in 1980 so I assume it has the faster twist rate. I'd have to verify that as I am not sure what year my uncle purchased the Shilen barrel for it.
Nice rifle, good to see someone building a rifle on a older almost forgotten cartridge that is very powerful. Would like to see you do an episode and comparison of the 6 284 , 6mm 06 and the 240 WBY ! Thanks Ron .
I have looked at the 6mm-06 @ 240 wb. They are very close. I think they can get 100-300 fps over the 6mm remington.
I don't know about the 6-284. I have a buddy that likes the 6.5 284 and the 25 284 I think I will try and get him to build a 6 284 just to see what it does.
Tbj Tbj The 6 284 is ballistically identical to the 6mm 06 however you can chamber it in a short action. I built one on a REM short action 25 years ago , it shot very well but burned up the throat after 400 to 500 rounds ( partially my fault ) ! It is very fast and likes IMR 4350 IMR 4831 H 4831 RL22 H 450 , any powders in that burn range. It could be a great long range cartridge with a fast twist 1 in 8 or 1 in 7.5 twist barrel and some of the new heavy VLD 6mm bullets that are available now ! Hope that helps .
Anyone need a box of 6.5=284 HSM?
Ron! I have a 1951 Remington 722 in .244 rem!!! It’s a beautiful piece of history
I think the longer you use a cartridge and rifle the better you know how to use it. The 244 was just late for dinner and one little problem with twist rate was broad cast in shooting magazines as a flaw but, easily corrected. The 244 cartridge does outperform the 243 in performance just didn’t outperform the 243 in sales.🙂
Winchester won the marketing war on that one.
I Have an old Ruger 77 6mm Rem with a heavy barrel contour. It has a 1:10 twist. My favorite load is the Sierra 85 gr. HPBT Gameking and Imr 4831. Great all around bullet for deer and varmints. Love this cartridge.
My ruger model 77 mk2 6mm rem has a 1:9 twist per ruger factory data.
6mm Remington! My first deer rifle in the 80’s . Still a favourite today. Shooting a 60gr Sierra hp for varmints.
When I saw the title I thought some one finally started chambering 6mm Remington again!
My dad traded a shotgun for a Remington 7400 in 6mm Remington when I was 12 for my first deer rifle. I've taken numerous deer with the gun and I absolutely love the caliber. Recently, I purchased a 6mm Remington barrel with a 1 in 7.5 twist for my T/C Encore and it shoots phenomenally. I look forward to this coming summer so I can develop a new load with 107gr hunting loads. 😁
During the whole video, I was thinking to myself; "I wonder if I should get a barrel made for my encore? " Good to know yours is a shooter! Who made your barrel?
@@DeepOwl1073 it's an MGM barrel. It's 24 inches long with the 1 in 7.5 twist. Heavy factory profile. It's awesome, I look forward to using it for hunting next year!
@@allenabercrombie591 oh man that sounds sweet! Good luck with it!
I built one in 1985 on a Parker Hale Mauser action with a ER Shaw 26" 1:10" medium heavy barrel it now has a Leupold 6.5x20 scope it is still a tack driver with Hornady 87 grain Vmax
Hi Ron thank you as always for the videos - they’re excellent!!!
I had a Remington model 700 BDL in 6mm when i had a small farm in Northern NSW some time ago. I had wild dog problems, as well as lots and lots of kangaroos eating the “pick” which meant my cattle and horses didn’t eat so good. As well as this problem I had to shoot many kangaroos from time to time because of the damage they did to my fencing as well taking away the food from my animals. The 6mm was very effective nullifying this problem. In fact it was too much, and swapped it with a friend for another Remington model 700 BDL this time in the classic .222 calibre. This was sufficient for my needs with less recoil, noise substantially lower and generally much more pleasant. In particular the 50g Sierra projectile was devastating on the soft skinned roos. Even though i had the 6mm for a short time i was impressed with it’s performance.
Anyway thanks again for a wonderful channel and keep up the great work 👍
Cheers from “Down Under” Australia 🇦🇺
Thanks Jeff! I'm really enjoying stories from my friends down under.
The 222 is actually highly effective for shooting tuff hide whitetail deer here in Texas, that's what we've always introduced our young ones to hunting with because very little recoil with alot of terminal damage.
I love learning about older cartridges. Keep it coming!
Will do, Alan. Thanks
Ron Thanks for making these videos about older cartridges.
I have a 244 in a REM. Mod. 742 , have had it since the early 60’s , have many deer and a few elk with it ,like the caliber. I also have a Ruger mod. 77 in 6mm . and a Remington model 700 also in 6mm, love the performance of this round, Thanks for podcast shows.
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What kind of bullets do you use on Elk with the 6 mm ? Those Remington 742's surprised me on how accurate they can be. My grandfather gave me his 742 in 30)06. It is unbelievable on how accurate it is with handloaded 180 gr. Corelokts.
100 grain Speer or Sierra and 95 grain Nosler have worked for me . Shot placement is a consideration also as with any caliber.
My second rifle is a 778 in 6mmRem. It lives in the safe but was my favorite turkey/doe rifle.
excellent video Ron, nice to see a special guest, would like to see more of this gentleman as I believe he has a lot of knowledge to pass along.
My first deer rifle was a Rem 700 in 6mm Remington. Still have it. Great rifle.
Worked in my cousins farm for many months to buy a 700 ADL with a weaver 4x scope for $185 in 1967. What an accurate rifle! Still have it.
I very much enjoyed listening to you both talk about the 244/6mm. Your friendship resonates to guys like me who have never met either of you. Have a great Thanksgiving & merry Christmas to both of you.
Thanks Brian. Best Christmas wishes to you and yours.
Remington still lists a Model 7 chambered in 6mm Remington on their website. I just so happen to have one and consider it the perfect antelope rifle!
Longer case necks & quicker twist rifling superbly increased the usefulness of the 244. An excellent 6 mm.
Before ammo got hard to find out of my 243 Thompson Centerfire venture one in 10 twist I had bought some 105 grain bullets and it seemed to stabilize them good enough for hunting sub moa
Having been a shooter for 60 years, I cannot believe anyone has not heard of the old 244 Remington... :)
I can see why. The 243 was superior
@@bearkawiboy6246 not at all. All around the 244/6mm r was the better round.
But marketing and the idea that you had to have a 100gr bullet to shoot deer.
Which you don't.
The federal 80gr 6mm load drops deer and hogs like lightning.
Ran into an experienced hunter and handloader selling 6mm brass today. I asked if it was the same 6mm as .244 Rem so as to avoid confusion and he couldn't answer.
It’s in my 1980 Lyman loading manual.
6mm Rem looks to be a very promising cartridge with today's new bullet technology. Maybe it will see a rebirth?
I would like to hope so.
But they went with the 6.5 creadmoor and the 260 rem when they could have just updated the loads for the 6.5x55
6mm rem was my first rifle and has been my only deer rifle ever since. I shoot the 95gr hornady sst and put coues down out to 600 yards. Never a problem putting them down and it is an absolute tack driver.
I don't ever see myself hunting anything smaller than an elk with anything else. I'd take it over any of the new 6mm's.
I really need to get into reloading because 6mm rem is virtually gone and I'm down to one box left, but I have 6 or 7 boxes of brass.
I have been loading for over 30 years truly a labor of love !!
Great video Ron!!! That 6mm Rem is really underrated. Hopefully it makes a comeback.
From what I have been seeing here in Canada, the 243 is fading out as well. It's not as common to get a firearm in that chambering. Everything is leaning towards 6.5 Creedmoor, 223 and 308. I am excited to see more and more people waking up to 6mm Remington and I'm dying to get a modern Remington 700 in that chambering in 5R.
I sold a new old stock Remington 700 BDL a while back to a dealer for just over double what I could have gotten retail pricing if it had been any other standard caliber he didn't even dicker with me on the $1500 pricing if it had been a 243 a dealer wouldn't have given me more than $400 maybe $500, and sold it for retail for $700. I told him it had never been fired. And he said " and it probably never will be" he's not selling it.
Great video. Nice rifle. Always love to learn about the evolution of cartridges. It did occur to me part way through that the entire history & performance of 244 vs 243 could lend itself to a very solid argument for the 25-06.
From what I've been able to piece together within my limited knowledge & experience the 25-06 & 7mm-08 should be among the most popular deer cartridges, and therefore readily available on any store shelf. However, where I'm from they are very scarce, as are the rifles new or used. I do believe that consumer demand may increase in the coming years, as I see all the 'new and exciting' cartridges hard pressed to outperform some of these old standbys. Marketing along with consumer knowledge/ignorance seem to drive the market demands, however you don't have to dive too deep to discover that while "6.5 creedmore" sounds fancy, it has had lots of competition already on the shelf.
For me, in the land of deer hunting, 243, 25-06, 7mm-08, & 270 really encompass a straightforward yet simplified approach to the 'which cartridge' question. Yes there are many to choose from (.257 Weatherby...) but as we become more enlightened and lose our lust for BIG MAGNUM cartridges to stop an itty bitty deer, and you factor in the relationship between accuracy & recoil, not to mention shoulder pain (for some) the sweet spot imo seems to fall in that 25-06 / 7mm-08 range. Unfortunately, when you factor in ammo availability, well 243 & 270 win all day long. So I find myself battling with: do I trust the 243 has the right grain formula for different situations or do I try to dumb down a 270 to meet the simple pop needed to stop a whitetail? Basically I don't see alot of ammo for the other two tweeners, so will I be happy with going above or below. Although it sounds like a conundrum, it really is an enjoyable exercise to ponder.
I guess I'll just have buy more rifles to complete this experiment!
A man with a plan!
If you ever get a chance, load some sierra 85grain bthp (gamekings) in 243. Keep them slow, and they will put deer down where they stand
You know in the 270 if u were to load a controlled expansion bullet it would most likely not be as disruptive to meat on a deer
You have good taste. 25-06, 6.5cm and 7mm-08 are by far my favorite deer calibers. Plenty of bullet weight+speed to get the job done on any size buck. Good ballistics. Little recoil.
I have a 243, 25/06, 270, 7mm08 7mm rem mag and the old killing machine 30/06. My 25/06 is the go too on deer size animals. By far my favorite for 35 years.
I have a 700 left hand long action in 6mm rem. Twist rate is 8.5 to 1. Custom built with a bit more lead for longer bullets, I'm still working with various loads . So far very happy with it. Took a mature whitetail using Sierra 90 gr TGK. OAl cartridge length is 3.013 . Should I call it a 6 X 57 ?
So did that long action actually start life as a Remington 721???? Just wondering. I have my dads 721 in .30 06 and it is still one of the most accurate rifles in my collection.
I was first introduced to the .244/6mm Remington from an old WW2 veteran neighbor. He made it on a Mauser 98 that looked kinda like an early FN action. Smooth as silk action and the barrel was made by Timken steel the bearing maker. He told me it was made from the same material as a truck axle. He sold me the rifle. It is a beauty. I sure miss that ole timer.
Enjoyed learning the history behind the cartridge. Great video, thanks!
Great video as always! It's now causing me to handload some 6 mm Rem. ammo for my Rem. 700 BDL. Going to use it during doe season. Barnes bullets are awesome! Great accuracy and performance.
Je possède une bonne vieille rem 788 en 244 6m/m que je recharge en 70grs pour réguler les nuisibles en France. Idéal pour la régulation des FOX et autres.
I used it on Moose and very successfully. The internal damage is crazy. Speed is the culprit, but your shell should not fragment in many pieces.
I bought a used Remington 722 in the .244 Remington caliber in 1987, it had a beautiful laminated wood stock with the 1 in 12" twist rate, it was about a year after I started reloading and the loads I used worked well with any brand 80-grain bullets. The rifle was made in the mid to the late 1950s so the barrel had a little wear at the throat, that's why I seated the bullets a little higher than what was specified in the reloading manuals. I ended up selling the rifle in 1993 to somebody who replaced the barrel and I bought a brand new Remington 700 BDL in the 6 mm Rem caliber with the faster twist rate and I put a new synthetic stock on it in 1995. I love how this rifle shoots.
Maybe a Weatherby cartridge overview? Lots of info to cover! I have no good info on the 375 vs the 378...
have a old remington 722 6mm 1/12 twist. it stabilizes 95 grain and under.
I'm a fan of the 6mm cartridges. My favorite right now is the 6x47Lapua. 1:8 twist.
I've been shooting a Remington 700 chambered in 6mm Remington (244 Remington) for decades. Over this time I have found the 6mm Rem to be superior to the .243 Winchester. The only other 6mm round I am familiar with is the 6mm ARC by Hornady. The only thing I can see where the ARC round has an edge is in shooting heavier bullets. At the same time, I've taken many deer, both whitetail and mule deer with the 6mm Rem and never had one get too far. I'll keep to my 6mm Rem as it is a tack driver as long as I do my part. I also have a 6mm ARC in an AR platform and it is an excellent shooter also. I really do wish some of the gun manufacturers would start chambering rifles in 6mm Rem again, and use a faster twist. It would become the king of 6mm's hands down. I also agree with you both that handloading is the way to go. I've been doing it since I was a teen and I'm on the north side of 70 now. I am currently contemplating rebarreling my 6mm Rem with a faster twist. Ron, who would you recommend here in Idaho for that. I live in the Treasure Valley.
I had a 244 ( 6mm mag) back in the late 70s early 80s wish I had kept it great on varmints
Last year Ruger was chambering the 6mm Rem. I believe it was in the Ruger American Predator. I’m from Pa and Grice Gun Shop does some exclusives only to them. That’s where I saw it for a short time.
Proud owner of a Ruger M77 "Tang Safety" in 6mm Remington. Many deer taken with it, and a few coyotes too.
My first Big Game Rifle I bought new a Remington 700 BDL 6mm Rem. in 1976 a Great Deer & Antelope Cartridge. IMHO
Great Coyote Rifle as well.
Just FYI Ron has the best looking 6mm Rem I have ever seen in one of his videos.
When I was looking at getting a deer rifle in 1969! The Remington 6 mm and the Winchester 243 were both very popular rounds at the time. After lots of shopping I ended up with a Remington 700 in 243.
Ron...Again, I just enjoyed another on of your videos...the .244/6mm Rem...My favorite cartridge! For years I hunted using a Remington 722 short action originally chambered in .244 Remington. it was rebarreled in a One in Ten twist 6mm...and chamberred for the Warren Paige Super Pooper! It shot 6mm Rem's and fire formed them. Did you know just before Remington changed to 6mm Rem...they called the new round the "6 mm Mag?" I owned one of the first ones in a 742...It had 6mm Mag "XXX out" ...and stamped 6mm Rem. In fact it TRULY IS a .243 Mag! One rifle I proudly own today is a Dumoilin Belguim Mauser in 6mm Rem...a real find on Gun Broker...years ago!
Ron...I have not seen anything on the 300 Savage??? For years it was used to take everything 200 yards and under. There is a famous quote..."Don't ever underestimate a man with a .300 Savage!" :)
Keep up your great work...I am now pushing 80 and have become an "arm chair" hunter! THANKS!!! David
I did not know that about the historic 244/6mm. Thanks for the history, David! Yes, the 300 Savage is a great round, but it lost steam once the 308 Win. appeared. Not likely to enjoy a resurgence.
Ron, the 105g Berger VLD hunting bullet loaded with R#26 is 3200 fps, 26" tube
Have a Ruger 77V tang safety. In 6mm Remington. Want to try the new VLD bullets in. Just have not done it yet. When I bought it ( mid 80's) you were doing good to hit 8x10 paper at 100 yrds. With a little tinkering she came around to 1 in or less.
Thanks for the video. I was a teenager in the sixties and wanted a 244 in a rem. 722. Could not find one so I screwed a Douglass 1in 12 244 into a Mauser action and had a really accurate coyote and jack rabbit knocker. I am sure the 75 grain hollow points were going over 3600. Built a 6mm-06 later with 1 in 12 and liked it better because I could find 25-06 brass easier. Run it through a die 58 grains of powder and go hunting. Did a chrony on it years later and it was running 75 gr. at 3750 87 gr. 3600 and 65 gr. 4150. The 65 gr. would make a exploding target out of a crow. I made a 22 Cheetah on a Rem. 700 action with 1 in 16 and I use it for coyotes more now. Runs 55 gr. at 4050 very accurate and is instant death with no exit on a coyote.
The 62grain vg from barnes. Does incredible damage but still has at least part of the bullet pass through. Although some fragmentation around the bullet area
I had a 243 in a Remington 700 ADL when they first came out and later rebarreled in 6mm Rem. I have killed a pile of deer with it! An overlooked cartridge that was developed in the early 1950's is the 243 Rockchucker! A 257 Roberts necked down to 6mm/243 with a 32 degree shoulder that never caught on but is virtually identical to the 6mm!
This makes so much sense !! It’s a shame that with ammo and the world grinding to holt that we can’t experiment with this stuff !
You are correct no one chambers it anymore but some where between 2014 to 2018 Ruger master dealers got a chance at a limited edition Ruger American predator chambered in it the store I worked for was smaller volume in sales so I did not receive one but a big store 20 miles down the road had 3 come in but they only lasted about 1 day on the shelf
I have four 243’s. Love the cartridge. Always wanted a 6mm PPC.
Try the 90 grain Nosler ballistic tips on deer. They are the hammer of Thor on Whitetails!
I just found my late uncle's 244 in storage and have been fascinated with it ever since. Hopefully I can find some 6mm shells in my area to test it one day.
I really like the .244/6mm cartridge. I got a Remington 600 with the vent rib in 6mm, and chrome moly 18 inch barrel and it has a 1:9 twist rate. A fabulous bush gun, better than the .243. Got it in early 1970,s along some boxes of Peters and Remington in .244 green boxes and yellow/blue like those you guys showed. It is very accurate as we used to take big 20 pound ground hogs easily as far as 400 yards. A flat shooting round and surprisingly accurate in that rifle. The Remington 600 in 6mm has become a collectors rifle and I will likely sell mine since it hasn't been used in a long time.
I've a Remington model 600 6mm rem that's my favorite go to feed the chillen of all mine, I plan to have a boyd stock on it by the time season rolls around. Next in line of my favoritism is actually a Mossberg 243, extremely accurate and loaded with hornady interlock I would be comfortable hunting moose.
I consider myself a cartridge collector/historian. The level of intrigue that wells up from my soul iseeing this video title is likely unimaginable for the average gun person.
I designed and built what I called my 244S.P. EXPRESS. it's a 6mm AI improved even further, very close to a Gibbs version of improving a cartridge.
I'm currently looking for a decent deal on a LA 700 action or a rifle. The reason is I want a long action for my 257-roberts and another for a 6mm Remington. I do have a LA Mauser that will probably have a barrel change to one of those
In Complete Book of Rifles and Shotguns Jack O'Connor wrote that Remington doomed the 6 mm Remington and the 257 Roberts by putting in short actions.
I agree. I have kimber that's supposed to be a mid-length, but it's not quite long enough.
I now have everything but the rifle to shoot 6mm Remington
Remington has had several great cartridges and rifles before their time and failed. Would love to have a .244/6mm. Then a 5mm and an 8mm rem mag.
I shoot a Remington model 760 244. I load a 87 grain bullet with 37 grains of IMR 4895 and it shoots very good. iv'e had the rifle sense 1962 and shot different game with it, its very effective round if placed in the right spot .
my father had a 244 remington. he knew his stuff. he said the 244 had no problems in stabilizing a longer bullet (100) grain. his 244 shot them all. my 6mm in a 788 remington is my sweetheart. hornady 100 gr btsp and hornady 75 gr hp. shoots like a house ah fire--"per my father".
Jon, your dad probably had one of the post 1957 M722s which had 1:9" twist rifling.
i did not know remington changed the twist and left 244 on the barrel? anyway i"ve shot up the country side with my 6mm. i never have looked at a 243. thank you, Ron
Ruger had a run of American rifles in 6mm remington
And before that the 77 and 77m2
I think copper custom still has them.
Hey George and Ron !! We need that one back !! Love it !! 🇺🇸 🎖 💯
Gotta check out the 6mm arc, pretty new still but looks to be promising coming around
My great grandfathers rifle is a Sako L57 chambered in .244 Rem.
For a fairly reasonable price I'd have to go to ER Shaw and order a Savage based MKVII in the 6 mm Rem. and select the barrel length, type, and a twist rate of 1-7, 1-8, 1-9, or 1-10. That might be the ticket. Now, would it be a short action or long action if I wanted the long 6 mm bullets? Probably around $1,080 including shipping. Not too bad to get what you want in a nice WALNUT Stock
The only firearm my dad ever owned was a Remington 700 in 6mm Rem. I had always assumed it belonged to one of my uncles since one of them always had it but when I gifted my father a Mk77 Ruger .270 for his 60th birthday, he told me "what do I do with mine?"
He fished it out from the back of his closet and gave it to me. It's 100% the reason I started reloading since ammo isn't common. Unfortunately I never got to go hunting with him but now the .270 is mine and I'll hand the 6mm to my son or daughter.
I bought a used 6mm Remington model 788 back in 1988. With three detachable box magazines. Best $150.00 I’ve ever spent. That thing is a tack driver.
I have one also, I believe the rear locking lugs contribute to the excellent accuracy. Mine was labeled left hand, the bolt is on the left, the round is ejected on the right side.
I nearly always learn something when I check in here. Another interesting vid, and your friend seems like a pretty cool and knowledgeable bloke 👍👍👍
I have a Ruger m77 6mm Remington that I bought in 1965 or 66 very low serial # still shoots really good, best with 105 bullets.
He strikes me as the epitome of the “beware the man with only one rifle, for he likely knows how to use it” quote.
I agree that Remington did promote their new 6mm hotrod as a varmint round, and a fine varmint round it is. Nosler has made big game bullets in 6mm for years that would work fine from the 1-12" twist of the .244 but they were a reloading proposition. My personal .244 has a Douglas #6 Light Target barrel with the original 1-12" twist and 70 grain Noslet BT's shoot five shots one half MOA. On windy days it is my "go to" for groundhogs. Great work as always Ron!
Thanks Hillbilly.
I just got a quote today to drop my .243 Rem 700 back to a 1-12 twist 26" varmint barrel. The 1-9 is just too fast for a 60gr at 4000+ fps. I have to load back to 3700fps to get them to group and the barrel copper fouls badly. Sierra tech tells me the 85gr gamekings will still stabilize with a 1-12
@@Modifiedmark You will be fine up to 90 grain with that 1-12" twist. Good luck and thanks for sharing!
It is a great feeling taking game with a cartridge you developed, especially when they are DRT!
That is a fantastic rifle. Can't beat a one of a kind custom creation.
Hey Ron, I literally just watched a video of yours the other day where you were shooting a 6mm Rem Mag that you own. This whole topic and story of the original 6MM is one of my all time favorites, for sure. In the video of you shooting your 6MM, you said the rifle builder misunderstood what you wanted, and had put an original 1 in 12 rifled barrel on it. Did you ever re-barrel that bad little dude? If not, you probably should. It is a really nice little rifle indeed. My uncle now owns an old 6mm Rem Mag, that my dad bought in 1966. Funny how things turn out. Somehow my uncle ended with both, mine and my dad's first deer rifles. They are both model, 600 Mowhawk. My dad's was the 6MM Rem Mag, and mine was the .243 Winchester. Totally fine with me that my uncle Steve has them both. He has a beautiful peace of land in Rocksprings, Texas and I go hunting there whenever I can. So it seems like a pretty fair trade. Free ranging exotics, so it is always going to be an exciting hunt. That is how I decided that I did not want to use a 6MM when I hunt there. First time I went, I had my 243 and saw 2 Red Stag doe out at about 300+ yards. That's how I ended up choosing to hunt there with my trusty 300 Win Mag instead. I only shoot 180gr Hornady SST with 271 SD @3130 fps. So, I will gladly take the opportunity to place that shot, if it ever presents itself again. Sadly... it has not.
James, I've hunted near Rocksprings a time or two. Great country. No, I have not rebarreled that 6mm of mine. Many viewers suggested I do, but more argued against that. I'm still on the fence, but because it shoots 80-gr. TTSX bullets so precisely and they kill deer so effectively, I suspect I'll stick with the old 1:12 twist barrel.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Yeah, that part of Texas is very beautiful. My uncle's place has a literal mountain right in the middle, too. We climb up upon to hunt down from. It takes about 40 minutes to get to the top from camp. Making the hunt seem much more deserved. It makes for a completely unique experience, over just jumping out of the truck and getting into a box blind. Well, unless of course it's raining. Then I will be taking that ole' truck and box blind combo!
That is a really valid point about your rifle. There is no reason to change barrels if you will only be shooting those TTSX 80's. And after hearing you tell the story of how P.O. Ackley was saying that the 220 Swift was capable of punching 3/8" holes in a 1/2" steel plate with a tiny 40gr bullet, that is quite the convincing testament for speed.
Interesting history . . . the .243/6mm bore intrigues me for a niche jump from the .22 WMR. The .22 centers just don't offer any utility for my purposes. Handloading a variety in a 1-10" twist for song dogs to wolves to deer might be fun. Informative and entertaining video as usual.
I have a 6mm Remington 700BDL that I bought for my son to use... He took his 1st mule doe with it. I think the 6mm is great for deer, pronghorn, elk (200yds or less) and black bears. I started with a old used Remington 788 that could put 5 shots on a dime at 100 yards... I sold that gun and regretted it ever since. Getting ammo was never a big issue until the past 2 years. There was always Remington Core-Loc 100 grain PSP in most places. Now I'm going to have to start hand-loading. I would love to see some hunting bullets in 105-110 grains.
How many times have Remington and Winchester done this? Why were they hung up on 1:10 twist barrels for the calibers below 30?
From what I can see on here,,I'm the only one that has a Tikka M55 in 6mm Rem..had it since 1978..6x18 Bushnell scope and it is in excellent shape 👌
Love my 6mm REM. It’s a shooter…
I have had a 6mm rem 700 BDL heavy barrel since 1978 it is still a tack driver.
I will pass it down to my grandchildren.👍
My father-in-law had a Remington simi-auto in 6mm Rem. My daughter hunted with it once and he never got it back. She hunts tomorrow with it.
Pre 68 Rem. 700 BDL. Weaver 3-9 wide field. Hornady 87 gr. IMR 4350 243. Probably up to 50 whitetail, many coyotes, ground hogs to many to mention. I'm 79, just took a buck at 200 yds. Still a nail driver.
I chose it for the longer neck, more capacity, and with long action the long skinny bc bullets. It is a handloading cartridge though. X-Caliber is just one company making barrels for this cartridge.
Have some .244 marked brass. Cool cartridge and if 6mm cases were easier to find I would’ve built my custom coyote gun in .244 with a medium-fast twist rather than 6mm Creedmoor with a slower twist.
Okay, I have been a long time fan of the 243. Having said that and because of your videos I have an interest in the 244/6mm but may be a bit confused. I get the reasons the 244 never made it big. The rifling twist was a big factor but I am understanding the 6mm Rem is nothing more than a rifling twist change that allows it to compete with the 243 and perform slightly better. Is that about it in a nutshell? Helping my nephew make common sense decisions in hunting rifles his choices have been a 270 Win and a 30-06. Looking at a dual use rifle the choices are a 6mm Rem or a 22-250 for smaller animals/varmints. Your thoughts' on that?
Great video on a great subject. Thank you, Ron!
Thanks for your support, Mark.
Any chance of 325 wsm aka 8 mm magnum episode as i am gaining more love for the 325 with reloading