The Perfect First Supercar? Audi R8 V8 MANUAL Review - With Expert Buying Advice!
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- Опубліковано 17 кві 2020
- Tony Stark had one, now you can too - and unlike many Italian exotics, an early R8 could set you back less than £30,000 - is it worth buying over the equivalent 911?
I sit down with @volkswizard Andrew Chapple and talk about his glorious 2014 Audi R8.
#Audi #R8 #V8
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Honestly mate its a fantastic car. A naturally aspirated v8 placed in the back, AWD and coupled with a fantastic manual transmission. And talking about styling this is an example of a timeless design.
Grew up watching iRobot on repeat as a kid😂😂
A silver gen 1 R8 V8 manual is on my bucket list now. One day it'll sit alongside my R34🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽
Dhillon sahab Canada m rehte ho ya UK?
God that makes me feel very old 😂
That was a concept car (Audi RSQ) not an R8. Though, the R8 was influenced by it
Nihal Dhillon that’s creepy I own both , R34 GTR and a silver R8 V8 Manual 👍
11:10 I can confirm it was the same for the Gallardo. I was at the Lambo factory back in 2009 and both engine and body came straight from Germany. The only Lambo bit was the spanners and screwdrivers used in Sant'Agatha to bolt the parts together. When we were done with the Gallardo line our tour guide said: 'and now we go to the REAL Lamborghini's, which was back then the Murcielago (the Versace edition in fact 😉)
part are similar but it don't mean it can used the same thing to run the car...
@@campkira which wasn't the claim; it was about where the parts were made.
What?
Do you think buying one now in the current climate is a good move? As in do you think it would net a better deal than waiting until peak of next winter
@@Fee.1 With the coronavirus going on and people losing their businesses/jobs now is a perfect time to buy if you can. There would be plenty of people freeing up cash right now
Y’know, it’s so nice to see footage of these cars gracefully scything through corners at reasonable road speeds, planted and poised, holding a nice line, engine burbling - rather than howling into every sweeping bend sideways with the traction control off, tyres billowing plumes of smoke and the camera-man on the apex literally fearing for his life. Chris Harris if you are watching this - I love you man, but there is another way.
The owner of this car really knows his stuff
Thank you for this series. I think it is very interesting for most of us 'regular' petrol heads with not too much money what we can expect from dream cars that are attainable. Although I'm more of a Porsche fan, the R8 is very high on my 'sports/supercars to buy when it's not a Porsche' list. Knowing what to look out for, weak points, strong points comparisons to alternative cars are very interesting. I don't mind a bit of technical information in this, and I think many who are interested in maybe buying this car will appreciate the more indept information as well. Also lovely format like this, with a true car expert and enthusiast next to you. Please keep it up! Cheers!
Great video - thank you. And great car. I'm biased (Gen 1, V10, Manual Spider), but think the R8 is one of the best value (bang for your buck) supercars there is on the market today. For me, the manual takes it from being a great car to a truly special experience.
Yet another incredible review, you seem to go into details about real world driving (on UK roads with our often terrible weather) Most other reviews you get are often based on racetrack experiences or on perfect roads (the like of which you just don't get here) I would kill to own this beast! I've always loved the R8 and a manual V8 sounds like the perfect combination!
Thanks Dave
I really enjoyed this new format with some input from the owner. Getting more of the technical detail is very interesting. I’ve driven those roads myself and it was a great place to test the R8. Loved the plug for the small family owned Garage where you had Coffee.
Thanks Julian, once lockdown resumes will do more of this type of video
It's a great buy as long as you stick with the manual. With the rapid changes going on in the industry, this will be a modern sought after classic in no time. Value will steadily go up very soon.
or rapidly sink as nobody can afford to spend as they no longer have spare cash, and the used car market takes a dive. Uncertain times methinks.....
@@BibTheBoulderTheOriginalOne That's very short term thinking lol. Not saying this particular car will go up in value, but if it does have the potential to become a classic, then it very will go up in value after this whole pandemic is over. And if this pandemic never ends...well we've got bigger things to worry about than car value.
So will any car. Weather it be a manual automatic. Most cars increase in value as they get older as they are rarer
Enjoyed this one mate, I reckon you and Andrew would’ve had a good chat in the cafe. It’s interesting & worthwhile watching Andrew’s series on buying & addressing faults on the R8. Cheers, Kevin.
We did indeed
Very interesting video as I'm looking into getting an R8. Definitely sold me on getting a Manual, was never interested in the R-tronic except for the GT (which may be out of my price range). I wasn't contemplating the V8 at all but this video has got me thinking about it, still think I'd rather get the V10 since it will feel like more of an upgrade to my RS3 Saloon. Was looking for a V10 Plus Manual but they're hard to come by. Funny thing is, I nearly bought my RS3 Saloon from Volkswizard but someone else got it first.
I had a gen 1 R8 for nearly 5 yrs.The mag ride dampers weren't revised but they were manufactured by a different company at some point for Audi and unfortunately they turned out to be less reliable than the original ones. I replaced my my fronts at 31k miles,the rears were still ok when I sold it at 42k miles. Other than that it's a truly great car and overall very reliable.
The guest reminds me of a Damon Hill...just on Auto trader 😂 Does anyone now if the R-Tronic can be converted to a manual ?
I've always had a soft spot for these.
They are an appreciating classic.
As an S4 owner of the same year I love this R8 version...that engine was OG for sound and "get up" when you wind it out along the rev range.
Nice to see Andrew in the video really love his videos.
What a great item...enhanced by the owners advice..thanks
I drove one around a track a few times and as impressive as it was, it just didn't do anything for me and I went into it thinking I'd love it. It was an Auto though which could have had something to do with it. Tried a an Aston V8 Vantage Manual and I went into that not expecting much and that was much more fun to drive!
I found the same with a lambo i tracked. The car was so cranped and hard to sit in and the auto box was just pants
I had V8 R8s short-listed alongside 911 Turbos and early Gallardos when I started exploring an addition a few years ago. If I had bought an R8, it would have been a V8 with a stick, no question. They sound amazing and the parts-bin build sheet would keep it from breaking the bank as a long term car. I ended up finding a Lamborghini in-budget, so that's what happened, but I continue to try and talk one of my friends into buying a 4.2 R8 so I can drive one (I already know a guy with a 911 Turbo).
That's a proper friend
Hey James long time listener here. Would love to get your opinion on what car out of these 2 would you recommend as your first super car. An early model r8 v8 manual or an early model 35 GTR. I currently drive an s2000 aswell but am looking to move up. Any advice would be appreciated and looking forward to more content 😁
'long story short....R8.....yeah......good car' haha I loved that.
Great review, I have been looking at getting one of these for a while now so it was a good informative video. Keep up the good work :)
Awesome review Jay. The only thing that I'm concerned about is the "Audi Black lung" issue that was associated with their 4.2l engine applications. That requires the head to be removed for a "decoke" from the carbon build up in the cylinder head inlet ports
Yes for high mile cars (over 80K) a carbon clean is definitely something worth doing - but it costs less than a major service on a Ferrari and you probably will only need to do it once in the life of the car
@@JayEmmOnCars then it's a clear win over its Italian counterparts :) Thanks for bringing us these indepth reviews Jay.
All DFI cars require this cleaning.
@@JayEmmOnCarsIt sounds like a “de-coke” that we used to do on Japanese two stroke bikes of the 1970s!
The bit at the end when you were just chatting about whatever it was you were passing by and had started your trip from. That bit was mega. Very natural, almost podcast like. Try to integrate some chit chat between the car facts. Cheers.
I wish Jay would compare the overall fun factor,as a whole, of this R8 on back roads compared to the Lotus Evora S as I'm considering both. In isolation the R8's seems to have it beat gearbox and engine wise yet the Evora S wins in the steering feel, brakes. Thanks for the informative video.
Two great Vids - Volkswizard & Jay Emm. Without you guys i'd be eternally bored ! Have been looking at the prices for these drop a fair bit over the past 10 years. Apart from the coking up of that engine its a tempting proposition... Have driven a Mitsi Evo - thats one of the best short throw and easy to shift gbox ive driven.
Will give honest thoughts on new intro - too long and awful music. Last one ticked all boxes I think with it being short and snappy, and editing tied in with the beat. Please consider reverting back to the old intro, or at least the old formula. Other than that good to see a collab with volkswizard, very underrated UA-camr.
The current intro will be changed out in a couple of months - in time for my 100K celebration
The old intro was a killer for headphone users.
Just for balance I thought the new intro was great and far more polished /professional.
I would say i like the graphics but yes the music is horrendous.
In the Netherlands, Audi charges 40€ for a “welcome inspection” and they check some 35 points of the car and build up a report. I’d assume this is standard.
I bought a second hand car and asked them to do this inspection. Turns out some things were found by Audi and covered under the 2nd hand warranty offered by the dealer who sold me the car.
Here in the United States manual V8’s still bring good money. R Tronic V8 are cheap but manual ones start at 70k USD. You might find a high mileage manual at a shady dealer in the $60’s. Manual V10’s start at about $95k.
Hey Jay, I'm currently owning a manual 997.1 C4S and I really like it. But I have always had a good eye for the R8 4.2. I tack my car and I drove about 8.000 kilometers last year. I would love to see a comparison between these two cars. Should I stick with the 911 or go for the R8.. I love the stick shift in the 997 as well as the road feel. I can also take my wife and daughter for trips in the 911. I had an Audi A3 -14 as commuter before, and that stick shift was also wonderful. I'm left wondering.. what are the pros of the R8? I know you touch the subject in the video but I'd like a direct comparison.
I went from 996 C4S to R8 V8, both manual. They are both brilliant. The 911 is more usable every day; the R8 is that bit more special and more reliable too.
Love the look of these but the one I test drove had glassy/numb steering. Maybe that improves at higher speeds?
Totally agree, sadly, here in the US I am not alone, resale prices have held up very well, a good 2008 example you are looking at $55-60k, which while not cheap, it's not the same bargain you find in the UK.
That is cheap for this car. Q Stinger GT costs that
That is cheap for this car. A Stinger GT costs that
What a great car and love the passion the owner has! Watched all the adds as requested, merry Christmas
Great Video Jay! Straight onto autotrader, Pistonheads and EBay ! 😃👍
Volkswizard! I love both you guys!
Great video yet again, got to drive a 2013 R8 V10 spyder which was under £50k
Never got why there was so much ' the V8 isn't a supercar'. Unfortunately even powerful UA-camrs have fallen into the horsepower trap and 0-60 times to define a supercar, when in fact there is NO universally agreed, definition of what a supercar is. One such thought which I agree with is that the car must be designed with driving performance at the forefront with no compromises made for practicality. I would say the R8 has that checked with a tiny boot and mid engine layout. That it must greatly outperform normal or even sports cars not just in a straight line but handling. This car would be slower than a mapped golf R but I know what would win in successive cornering. Finally looks, it looks like a supercar its low and wide.
Yeah supercar is about looks first and performance not even second
I havnt driven all the different variations - v10, v8, manual, R/S Tronic and I'm sure different configerations will suit different tastes BUT I would say avoid anything with R Tronic . I had a V10 R tronic for a weekend when my V8 manual was in the Main Dealers having its third attempt at an oil change which didnt leak on my drive (!). Ok, I only drove it for 100 miles or so but came to the conclusion I'd never get used to it in 100,000
Nice review, but a couple of comments from someone on the other side of the pond. Manual gen 1 R8s are already getting scarce in the USA and the prices have been going up for some time. The days when this car was a deal are basically over unless you consider them a budget Garlands. There were also mechanical improvements in 2012, specifically to the mag ride system which was an issue with earlier R8s. Interestingly, the engine needs to be pulled to replace the AC on the V8, but not the V10. However, a nice manual V10 is REALLY hard to find.
The BIG issue with this car is the C8 Vette. The almost 6 year old car in this review would probably still cost more used than a brand new C8. Why on earth would you buy this car over the C8, unless you had to have a manual and/or AWD????
Perhaps the C8 vette will push prices of the R8 back down, and of course there will always be peope who MUST have an R8
JayEmm on Cars Very true. The C8 has the potential to call into question the value of a number of supercars (NSX) as well as GT cars (911, etc)
I thought I knew that registration number, so I wasn't surprised to see Andrew in the car!
This series is gonna be your most popular! Amazing video mate!
Great car; excellent upload. Gets a 👍 from me 😎.
£550 road tax though...... ouch!! That pays for a lot of fuel on my ancient (zero tax) Rover P5B lol - not that I can drive it anywhere right now.
Thanks guys - loved this ♥️👍.
You're very welcome Graham
If you have £50k for a car, road tax is of no concern
Loving this owners experience and buying choice advice.
My realistic dream car, and the car that got me into supercars. One day I will make it happy. Great video and hope to see more in this dream car series
Edit: dream spec would be anything that isn't silver or black, so red or blue with all the optional extras
One day we'll own it mate
Was just looking at these yesterday, then you put this up. It's a sign. B7 RS4, time to go.
Great collaboration, your content just keeps getting better and better.
Thanks Phil!
I would call it a Sportscar with the V8 Engine, but I think it`s a great entry for having fun (with 3-Pedals of course). Nice car! It still looks great today.
Did you guy's fail to mention another face lift item to note? The exhaust pipes. The older V8 has twin pipes at each end. This has large single ones the same as the V10.
you sold me.... i like it. it would have been a bit out of my price range what with the manual and low-mileage that i wanted when i was in the sportscar hunting process a few months ago and so i ended up with something different. but it tics all the right boxes. two and ONLY two seats that MUST be leather, at LEAST a six cylinder (please, no turbo), outstanding good-looks and luxury.
You forgot to mention to check the aluminium chassis at the front suspension for cracks ! Yes insurance companies have written them off for this before now !
Early examples from what I have read.
Nice video. I also bought a 2015 R8 spyder and loving it. Liked your comments
Been watching his channel for a long time I'm a fan
The lowest price I see here in the US is about $50K or about 40 in the UK. To match what is shown here is about $80K. If it were me I'd likely go towards the Jaguar F Type for my money to fun ratio.
John Based only on seeing and not driving I would agree. I love the look of the F Type, the sound of the exhaust and would be happy with the 6 cylinder manual. JayEm does provide some good points in his Jaguar vids but I still love them.
US just get a c8... why get anything else when you can rent them....?
I love the V8. I think it is my favourite of the series because it's original and the price is such a bargain
New Intro is awesome!
4:26 “knob is nice to hold..” 😂
The end of that video reminded me that I was waiting months for better weather to get to caffeine and machine and then we entered lockdown. Bugger...anyway, the R8 is a cracking car for the money.
Awesome stuff mate. Hope you can get your hands on a supercharged version of this. I was lucky enough to have the only rs4 B7 MTM supercharged with carbon ceramic brakes here in Australia. Should never had sold it. You can check out my actual car review we did on it at Ross Reviews. Cheers
£35k ish and only using it for Sunday drives, mindful of running cost and depreciation etc. What would you pick??? Porsche Boxster spyder, s3 Exige, Audi R8 v8....all manuals.
If you want a quick blast, Exige. For possible longer trips too, R8
My friends dad had one. Had a ride in it twice and on my bday. Few days later it was sold
All the cars you quoted aren't really "supercars", simply sportscars.
Does this v8 suffer from the rattly cam chain issues of the s4's?
No, the FSI v8 engines in this and the B7 RS4 , S5 & RS5 use metal plated chain guides which fix the issue. However, they do suffer power loss over time due to carbon build up on the inlet valves that the non-direct injection S4 v8 does not, but carbon build up is a lot cheaper to rectify than a broken cam chain guide.
@@stevenroach4955 not problem middle eninge mean you had to drop it down when it broken.. labor cost alone is scary as fuck;...
Another great vid Jay ⭐️👍😎
I remember looking to buy one but I really prefer the v10. I would like to buy the V10 Plus 😍
They are incredible to drive. awkward to get in and out of if your 6ft but still comfortable to drive. Expensive to maintain but worth it. Not a daily driver unless your wealthy. Mine was tiptronic.
I saw several supercharged V8 R8s with output even higher than V10 ....I wonder how these two would compare each other...presuming the supercharged is a way closer to muscle car characteristics....
Never had understood why some dont look up on the R8 as a supercar, if a ferrari 360 is without question, then sonis a R8. Although it really does not matter in the great scheme of things.
I really love the R8s and would have one any day. With prices of below 30 grand now , what a lot of car for the money. 🤗
I’d class any v10 r8 model as a supercar but probably not the v8. The 360 is nearly 10 years older than the first gen R8 and yet it’s still faster without even being 4wd.
Gen 1 spider r8’s are stunning though
@@joshoprayy from first hand experience the 360 is about the same.
A V8 F40 is over 30 years old, and was a supercar of its day. There are many old cars that were classed as supercars in there day, but buy today's standards are slow. So are they still supercars? It depends on how the individual looks at it.
The same will be said of modern supercars.
I have had many italian so called supercars, and some of them would be out preformed by the R8. I see the R8 as a supercar.
But I respect everyone sees things differently. I would still have one, V8 or V10.
Like the new Intro Jay 👍
I'm 20, a 4.2 r8 has been my dream car for years now. Not just the r8, but I would love to get any Audi with the 4.2. rs4s with the engine are rare where i live (everyone's got the turbo v6). There are so many car I'm interested in, but this is the absolute top of the list. 2nd would have to be a 996 911. I used to have a Farenheit GLI in Imola yellow. It basically kickstarted my love for Audi. I don't know, I really just hope I get the chance to purchase one some day.
I currently drive a 2014 Impreza, it's slow as fuck but it handles well, sounds great, and the manual is great to use.
looks-wise, the r8 e-tron is my favorite out of all of them
Never been a fan of Audis but for this R8 I'll make an exception. Gorgeous look and sound.
I think it's a bit like Tesla's. I'm sure they are lovely cars. Some owners, on the other hand.....
The manual is the reason why I'm looking at these. I own 4 cars, all manual. Thanks for helping wot my shopping😁
SUPERB AND INSIGHTFUL REVIEW INTO AN R8. GOOD JOB GUYS!
I keep listening to the music this is the third time and the best when it says let’s go 😍😍😍😍😘😘😘😘👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
I thought about selling the Evora to buy one, however, i think it would only be to own a supercar as i have no love for the brand. I do like the look of the original r8 (more than later r8s) but they are now a little long in the tooth and many of them seem to have been abused and not looked after. The Evora is probably the better car as well.
The Evora handles better for sure, but the R8 is better put together
Ooo, I'm not keen on the new intro. But apart from that, brilliant vid as always :)
While some may not consider it a supercar, I think the best "first supercar" is the C8 Corvette now. Even brand new, spec'd out above $80k, it's a relative bargain of a price. You get the looks, the performance, the experience, but you're also left with a solid warranty, and relatively cheaper repairs out of warranty, when it expires. I love cars like the R8, 911 GT3, etc. but I think people underestimate just how jarring the costs are to own one, especially when you consider the premise of a bargain supercar purchase is "saving money"
Still worth well north of 100k here in Canada. Even before covid you'd be damn lucky to find a well taken care of R8 for less than 90k
Love the spec on this one
Love the new intro, and the R8 V8 is the one I would have 👌
Although I would always prefer a 997 over an R8 due to the overall package, I have to say that this thing looks great and would probably be my non-Porsche sportscar of choice 👍
So jealous of the UK used market 😭
One of the best used markets in the world imo, cars here are stupidly cheap compared to a lot of other countries
@@kennyd7667 it cheap because there are no road for them.... and the import part just kill the resell price...
Cheap to buy, more expensive to run... our fuel prices are through the roof and tax and mot are a nightmare
@@campkira yeah I think the market's pretty saturated there. Unfortunately here in the US people are happy buying Corvettes to keep in their garages for years then basically ask for sticker price 🤦♂️
@@campkira clearly you have never been to Britain. Never been to scotland, Wales or the peak districts to name a few. We have good roads here, as well as being only a stones throw from mainland Europe.
Ahh affordable entry level super cars. Thats why i have a Alpine GTA V6 Turbo. Yes people sniggering at the back. It was made from the renault parts bin. Apart from the bespoke center spine chassis and full body and floorpan made from Enduraflex. When running max Alpine manual factory boost 0.8 bar, they are ruddy quick. You can tweak them a little more but the PRV was never a turbo engine. in this 2.5 form they love to rev given the short stroke. Paid 5k for mine and current valuation is at 21k. However only 24 left in the UK. So very rare. They also have the worlds first ever full engine management system. The Renault Renix from 1985. Its encrypted and cannot be remapped. So is common to go with a modern aftermarket ECU for more power.
Great choice. I would have on in a heartbeat, but love my Evora too much.
I'm surprised you think the shifter is as good as it is when you've owned an S2000. The S2 gearbox is miles ahead in feel and precision. I own a 6mt V10 but its not a patch on the S2 box imo.
Amit I totally have to agree with you. I own a 2011 R8 V10 manual and I’ve owned both the ap1 and ap2 S2000
Amit agree - i had s2, integra type r and crx - all fantastic gearboxes - and certainly better when cold compared to my r8’s ‘box
1st Gen R8 vs early R35 GTR is a good comparison since they both fall around the same price around now. Although the GTR has no manual box :(
Both these cars were on my list. Chose the R8 due to N/A, high revving engine, manual box and those looks tbh. I'll still want a GTR one day though!
I’ve seen in other videos mention of frame cracks in the area of the below the a-pillars in the front of the car... truth or false?
True I believe
@@JayEmmOnCars True. Cars up until 2010 had a weak point. If a damper failed the strut would force upwards and crack the frame. Will normally cause the car to be written off. Not covered under any warranty. 2011 and onwards cars had a reinforcement plate welded in at the factory which solved the issue. More details on the @samcrac channel. ua-cam.com/video/QOlvG1QbCDU/v-deo.html
Don't these have the carbon buildup and timing chain issues (engine out) as well, much like the B7 RS4? Correct me if I'm wrong!
The RS4 doesnt have the timing chain issues, the S4 however..
@@DRFTYPE You're right. I was looking into the S4 and had the timing chain issues imprinted in my memory 😂. IIRC the RS4 does have carbon buildup issues though which I'm assuming plagues the R8 V8 as well?
Yeah it does. I seen a comment where he mentions it does affect these to but he didnt bother mentioning it.
I will be looking for one of these after the lockdown finishes. Maybe we should do a comparison between my Boxster 987 and the S2000 before I replace it with an R8
how old were you before you learned to spell your full name? but anyway a boxster vs s2000 vid would be interesting
@@and79 Haha!! Tbh, even now if you want me to spell it letter by letter I need to think about it :p :p
Yeap, if Jay wants, we could do a comparison between the two cars.
@@panagiotisathanasopoulos its a impressive name no doubt!
Tbh I'd like to see a group test with a Boxster, S2000 and a Z4M as the wild card.
Jay iz the sort of auto journalist the world needs more of!!
I didn’t hear any mention of the chassis cracking on the early models.... did I miss that?
No but it is one of many reasons we recommend an inspection
God she sounds brutal. The R8 claws its ways through corners
And there was me thinking a 4.2 litre v 8 was heavy on the juice, didn't realise it was an economical runabout.
Great Work Jay.
Love this model.
I’m curious about your opinion; 991.1 Carrera S/4S or this facelifted R8 V8?
R8. I really don't gel with the regular 991.1. The R8 isn't perfect but it makes up for its flaws in other ways
The frame cracking as Ricky from re performance says he’s seen less than a handful and all of them were cars that were invovled in a front end collision it’s blown way out of proportion
I definitely want to buy a V10 manual spyder before the prices start rising
Digging this intro over the prior
Great video. Could you try do a V8 S5 review?
Absolutely stunning car!
I will be buying one of these 👌🏻😊
Great review 👍🏻👍🏻