Is the Uttarakand of the Valmiki Ramayan a Later Addition? - A Conversation with Dr.R.Rangan
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- Опубліковано 27 січ 2025
- In this conversation with Dr.R.Rangan ji, find out why Maharshi Valmiki could not have been the author of the Uttarakand of the Ramayan.
This conversation is a follow up to Season 7 Episodes 22 and 23 of the 21Notes Valmiki Ramayan series.
Valmiki Ramayan | S7 E22 (Audio) | Uttarakand - Ravan, Shambuk and other stories
• Valmiki Ramayan | S7 E...
Valmiki Ramayan | S7 E23 (Audio) | Uttarakand - Sita’s banishment and death
• Valmiki Ramayan | S7 E...
Dr.Rangan runs a gurukul near Bengaluru called the Valmiki Ashram. At this ashram, more than a 100 people stay and learn about the Valmiki Ramayan. Follow this link for more information about the ashram and about Dr.Rangan's book on the Uttarakand -
webolim.org/
or write to -
webolimclasses@gmail.com
Where can we buy or read Dr. R Rangam's book on Uttar Ramayana, please tell. The website webolim does not have any working link for that book, it merely mentions the book but gives no link. Thank you🙏🏽
Please write to webolimclasses@gmail.com to get Uttara Ramayana book.
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@@21Notes Thank you. I have emailed them with an enquiry
@@robarcoolyou got the book bro?
@@dp_1512 No friend. I emailed them twice, but have not received any response. There is a book available on The Jaipur Dialogues website that deals with the topic of Uttara Kanda, it analyzes descriptions within the Ramayana. I have read that, but want to read this book for its wider coverage of texts.
As a devotee of Ramayana grantha doing Parayanam regularly and listening to Lectures as frequently as feasible and above all one of the admirers of Dr Rangan ji, my Pranams to this video
We r very proud and happy to have dharshan and association with such a great mahatma in our living times. It's really a blessing to Tamilnadu, the whole bharat and the whole world to have our honourable cherishable ranganji Anna. Tq so much for identifying and giving due respect to such a great personalities. Jaisadguru jaisitaram🙏🙏🙏
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Pure knowledge. Every Santani should listen and spread this to the common masses. I am blessed to listen to such detailed commentary thank you 21 notes and Yashodeep ji. Truly thankful. A koti naman.🙏
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The most wondrous gift, perhaps a research that any Sanatani could have at this festive mood of our Lord. This can shun many misconceptions and defamations that were forced on our Lord and us in the past decades. 🙏
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Thanks Yashodeep ji for the conversation with Dr R Rangan ji and bringing the traditional proofs in the light to establish the wholesome understanding of our itihaasa.
Some people get a chance to insult Shree Ram because of Uttar Ramayan which is not part of original Ramayana. We need more such videos to expose those people
You need to expose those criminals first who accepted the uttarkhand as authentic.
@@APU290 Ranganji very softly dealt with them as “namaskaram to all those periyava who accepted this as authentic, but we won't accept it " 😂😂 during the book release
@@APU290Then first of all You Tube channel "Project Shivoham" should be on your list. They accept Uttarakhand because of the Shloka that Ranganji mentioned as interpolation as they consider it to be authentic. This channel "project Shivoham" itself is very confusing
The uttarkand is not the only reason why some people dislike Ram. The fact that he was in such a hurry to leave Ayodhya, not even considering the impact on his parents or security of the kingdom is shocking. It is also highly disappointong that he lets Sita go through agni pariksha so that people don't say that she is unchaste. Sita supported him in his troubles & this is his reaction after her abduction? He caused a war causing death of thousands of innocent vanaras just because Ravan insulting him?
@@Shaistye According to the Valmiki Ramayana, Ramji never asked Sita maa for agnipariskha. It is mentioned as "agnipravesh" and was voluntarily done by Sita maa without any order from Ramji.
Thank you sir. I started to read the Sanskrit text of ramayan because of this channel.❤Waiting for more such informative videos.✨ I love mythology and reading and have read different iterations of ramayan but couldn't tbe original. Now I got a clearer perspective due to 21notes videos.🙏🏻 Thanks to you and your team for tirelessly working to make this reach all.
me too, trying to byheart mool-ramayanam
@user-kk3hn3eo7p great to hear this 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Bhai videos dekh liye 21notes ke uspar bhi Mythology kah rahe ho apne Itihas ko?
Gajab karte ho bhai aap bhi.
I just loved the whole podcast 🕉️
Thank you so much Yashodeep ji..
Yashodeep ji and Dr R Rangan hi, Mai charan sparsh karta hu aap dono ke🙏🏻😇
This is important information brough forth by both of you that needs to be dissiminated.
Thank you
We would like to see an episode on 22nd January , 2024 also. Jai Shree Ram.
We would have also liked to publish Season 7 on 22-Jan. Unfortunately, a lot of work is still left. 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Take a bow for revieling truth in a manner way. Thanks alot. सत्येन पन्था विततो देवयानाः
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This is a great service to Sanatana Tradition and Bhagawan Ramachandra. Hopefully, it will help to clear the unnecessary confusions created by the story of Uttarakand.
What a wonderful conversation, would love to meet great souls someday
Thank you for all your hard work, it has inspired me to take up Sanskrit and learn more. I struggle to learn Sanskrit in school and gave it up. May be this time after 30 years, I will get success.
Thank you for providing such informative videos and providing clarity❤😊
श्रीरामचन्द्रं शरणं प्रपद्ये
32:00 "Kushilav" is also a word in Bengali, which means 'characters in aplay' or 'bards/musicians'
Thanks for sharing!
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I’ve ordered the book😇
I have contacted Valmiki Ashram, it’ll reach me next week
Have you received?
@@DrRanganjisLiveLectures yes sir🙇🏻 i got it. Ramayan Insights 1 and Uttar Ramayan.. both😇🙏🏻🙇🏻
Thanks for sharing your valuable insights through this lively and engaging conversation - to both Dr. Rangan ji (for enlightening us with his views) and the host (Y. Deodhar) for bringing up these relevant questions🙏🏻
Thank you very much! This makes so much sense ❤ Jai Shree Ram
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Good deed,pranam
Conclusive discussion on the Uttar Kaand!!
All faithful Hindus must know the main points presented in this interview.
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Sir great explanation given....this truth must be wide spread as much as possible.... 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
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Best interview.
Sir, please provide Valmiki Ramayana Season 7(videos) soon.
Very good conversation. Similarly please bring expert on discussion on location of Lanka
Thanks for enlightenment us sir. May you continue to do this great service to dharma🙏
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Thank you fir this very interesting, informative conversation.
❤❤❤ Jai Shree Ram 🙏🙏🙏
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Great conversation 👍
Thank you very much sir.
Thank you
Thank you very much sir
Dhanyvaad 🙏 for this conversation, and highlighting the inconsistencies that readers like me miss out.
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During the first day of vanvasa, Shree Ram, Ma Sita, Shree Laxmana stayed at Guha's house, for one night. Shree Ram stayed under a tree outside his house. Guha who was a boatman and a king of Śṛṅgiverapura, the nation of the Nishadas. As described in Mahabharata, Nishadas are a tribe of hunters, fishermen, and other traditions. That means they were Vaishya's and Shudras.
Shree Rama who was a Kshatriya, did not discriminate against Guhu. That means all 4 varana systems - Kshatriya, Shudras, Vaishyas, and Brahmins were equal.
Only in modern times, during the british occupation, Risley collbaborted with brahmins and have created hierarchy between 4 varana systems. Now many brahmins started considering their varana as superior.
I can accept if you would have said "few of these Brahmins" who treated them as superior becos the Brotish divided and ruled.
But i object your statement as "These Brahmins" as it means all Brahmins thought theybwere superior.
One thing is living in illusion and other thing is living in reality. If you observe in reality most of the Brahmins are the poorest class similar to poor Sudras or Dalits.
Brahmins are the only people who are the torch bearer and preservers of the knowledge which were mostly destroyed by invaders of Muslims and Christians.
If you see the revival of the Bharat today is because of the knowledge preserved resisting the atrocities as mentioned above.
You observe Shatriyas and Vaishyas have money but Brahmins have no money as by nature Brahmins have to seek knowledge rather than make money.
@@santoshmkcet I understand your concern.I did mean all brahmins. Whay you are stating was in earlier vedic times. In Shrimad Bhagvad Gita, Shree Krishna states that all 4 varnas are based on your gunas and they are all equal. There was no hierarchy. Only during British times they started creating hierarchy.
If you have 4 children, one child can follow all the "acharnas" or dharma of a Kshatriya where he protects dharma and its citizens, you can be called a Kshatriya. The second child can do business, protect cows, or do farming and be called a Vaishya. If you work for a company and get salary then you are a shudra. Similary, only if you follow all the dhamra as a Brahmin, only then you are a brahmin. Brahmin is NOT in higher status.
Also you can interchange Varnas during one lifetime. Parsurama was born into a brahmin family, but he followed Kshatriya samskara. King Vishwamitra was a Kshatriya and later became a Brahmin.
Just because you are born into brahmin or Kshatriyas family does not mean you are automatically a brahmin or a kshatriya.
Today so-called brahmins and other varnas work in the company and get salary as they provide service and receive compensation. That means they are Shudra. Shudra is NOT a lower caste. These were created by british in collaboration with few select brahmin to divide people.
I come from Udupi where "most" Madhava brahmins look down upon "Smartha" brahmins, ISKCON devotees, and non-brahmins. They do not mingle with sarvajanik people, they demand separate prasada place. In Karnataka, in some places Dalits are prevented from entering temples.These difference are all not prescribed in any of our vedic literature.
@@SatyaSanathani You did not require whole ezplanation which was not the topic of discussion and is known to all.
But my point was exactly what you mentioned in last paragraph of your previous comment.
If Madhava Brahmins are looking down upon other brahmins and other people then you say "Some of these Brahmins" not "These Brahmins". These Brahmins mean all Brahmins. Which again I am repeating.
@@santoshmkcet Today brahmins are treating people equally. even in post independence india brahmins did discriminate against the poeple. in those day 'few brahmins' didnt discriminate i respect such souls but that doesnt mean there are buildings and society's in metropolitan cities where brahmins still do not let non brahmins to buy or even rent a house at times. Just bcz u r nice doesnt mean all have been. My mum is shudra she has faced discrimination at times. And u dont get to see these expriences cz u r previleged or brahmin. Denying doesnt take this change anywhere
@@atharvagawkar4827 "Today brahmins are treating equally".... This is your statement.
So there is reforms within the community.
Again you said "Brahmins". Does it include all brahmins or some brahmins who chose the reforms.
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Mahoday you are doing extremely good work please don't stop here sir we need you to make same videos on Vedas like rigved and other three please sir in whole just you have that capability 🙏
Jai Sita Ram. Great Elucidation by Ranganna🙏🙏🙏
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Wonderful and enlightening Session..... 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for this conversation. It makes several things regarding Uttarakand very clear.
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Excellent and much needed video..so many misconceptions will get cleared with this.
Do you think Uttar ramayan was oldest known version of 'Fake news' !?
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Sir please make more "shorts " and live discussion..on valmiki ramayan..
After Ramayana Please make Video on Mahabharata.
This channel is doing marvelous works 😍😍😍🙏🙏🙏🙏
Sahi Hai Jai Sri Ram
Such humility 😊 in such a profound scholar😮 impressive.
Grt....🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
सीताराम हनुमान
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Extremely interesting discussions. Where do we get Dr Ranganji’s book on Uttara Ramayana? Is it available on Amazon?
@shubhakesh Please follow this link for more information about Dr.Rangan's book on the Uttarakand -
webolim.org/
or write to -
webolimclasses@gmail.com
Give me Valmiki ramayan link to read
www.valmiki.iitk.ac.in/sloka?field_kanda_tid=1&language=dv&field_sarga_value=1
@@21Notes thank you 🙏
Thanks for this video, it clears many doubts about Uttar Ramayana. On a separate note, does valmiki Ramayana tell that Sita-Ram came back in pushpak viman? I have been curious what happened to all the technology of the vimaans and how did we lose it after Ramayana? We never hear about vimaans in Mahabharata, so certainly lost that technology and was curious if anything is mentioned about why.
Please do watch S7E20, specifically around 0:40.
There are also references to the Vimans in S6E3 2:55 and earlier in Season 4. 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@21Notes sir, please give some update regarding when we get videos of season 7?
@@21Notes thanks, let me check again. I did see in your episodes that Valmiki mentions about many vimaans just not pushpak. But I don't understand how and when we lost that technology. Clearly in Mahabharata we didn't hear about vimaans? But Mahabharata tells about Bhramastra which we also lost eventually, not sure when. I understand in last 1000 years we were looted and plundered and hence we lost a lot of knowledge but what happened between Ramayana and Mahabharata that we ended up losing the knowledge.
Please do Sanskrit Mahabharath... Am a big fan of you sir As A Muslim...
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What about the end of Rama. Why no question about it
Hi sir, great work from you, highly respected, just listened to your ramayana series , great work.
But, in context to this topic, correct me if wrong, there is one line directly from the Valmiki Ramayana website itself, it says:
"caturviṃśat sahasrāṇi ślokānām uktavān ṛṣiḥ |
tathā sarga śatān paṃca ṣaṭ kāṇḍāni tathā uttaram ||1-4-2"
2. R^iSiH = sage Valmiki; slokaanaam = verses; chatur vimsat sahasraaNi = twenty-four, thousand; tathaa = that way; pancha sarga shataan = five, chapters, hundreds; SaT kaaNDaani cha = six, books, also; tatha uttaram = that way, an end piece; uktvaan = said.
Sage Valmiki said Ramayana in twenty four thousand verses, in six hundred chapters, in six books, likewise an end-piece too. [1-4-2]
How can this be not part of the ramayana then, also Project Shivoham channel has done a great video on this, it may throw some more light on this.
Those who created Uttarakand are original Librandoos.
Please suggest me best book where i found the original explanation of Ramayana.... please 🙏
As like you explanation....
Sir from where can we buy Dr. R Rangan's book on Ramayan... Sir pls tell us🙏🙏🙏
Follow this link for more information about Dr.Rangan's book on the Uttarakand -
webolim.org/
or write to -
webolimclasses@gmail.com
Sir, please clarify if Ram had sons by names Luv and Kush and Sita get swallowed by the earth
Can anyone who watched this fully please tell me what is the conclusion? What's the answer to the title of the video?
Conclusion- “Uttarkand is fake”
The conclusion is that - Uttar khand is a latter inclusion and not the original work of Valmiki. Please do watch the entire video… it’s amazing to learn so many facts.
@@Inpursuitoftruth9 Oh, thank you so much. I'll definitely check the full video out🙏
Sir in Balakanda 3rd Sarga at the end it says “Vaidehyascha visarjanam” right? So not only Uttarakanda, even Balakanda talks about it. Was Balakanda added later?
Indeed certain sargas and verses of balakand were added later
Mujhe lagta hai interpolation karne wale ne pahle jagah jagah shloka ghusaya lekin jab usko laga ki itni jagah milawat karne se achha hai ek naya chapter hi likh do to usne jitna shlok milawat kiya wo rahne diya aur baki ek pura chapter hi likh ke jod diya.
Lekin jaisa kahte hai ki naqal ke liye bhi to aqal chahiye hi...pakde hi gaye
Uttar Khanda is definitely not part of Ramayana. And even Bal Khanda is redacted .
Yes. It appears that the 4th Sarga is also inserted. In the 37th Sloka, 3rd Sarga also seems so
Recently came to know about U.K. never went down logically with me. They never punish Kaiekayi for treason instead she and Manthara are forgiven…they literally staged a coup to gain power for advantage. Even in this age there are consequences for such actions.
Forgiveness and acceptance is always present in that age. So it was very inconsistent with everything.
I am glad to know uttarkand is fake news. I have never been comfortable with Ma Seeta tyag .
Why do All writers insist that there are 7 kandas , if Uttarakhand is not the part of Valmiki Ramayan?
With all due respect to both scholars, after listening to the entire conversation it is still not convincing to say that Utara khanda was not written by Sri Valmiki.
1) Rama could not have broken the wow of marrige is a flimsy one as he had already asked Sita to undergo Agni pariksha when NONE QUESTIONED HER CHASTITY AND VIBHISHANA AND HANUMAN KNEW HER HONESTY .
The Utara Knanda incident only proves that
2) The bala khanda mentioning of Kushalava and interpretation of grammatical error seems a roundabut assumption only. The poetic grammer errors can it be told that is not there in any other place in Ramayana.
Saying the slokas of Bala Khanda is insert is not convincing
3) The ancient epics all over do talk about the post main story like Mahabarata describes the death of Pandavas and Srimad Bhagavatam describes the death of Krishna and by the same author. This is true with Greek epics too
Valmiki ramayan is written on gaytri Chanda so 7 book makes no sense
from which ramayan you quote all this. i mean if i want to read exact translation. which one should i go for please reply?
is dr rangan translation which is available on webolimclasses is the one you use for teaching?
The 21Notes Valmiki Ramayan video series follows the Valmiki Ramayan published by Gita Press Gorakhpur. 🙏🏼🙏🏼
@@21Notes but geeta press gorakhpur is more of devotional book and also they doesn't define like you.
They use simple words like monkey etc.
Tell me please which edition and what about the critical edition of ramayan by dr ranganji which is available in the website mentioned in the description.
@@ishaanrohmetra3447 We are not using Gita Press for translation, we are referring to it for the original shlokas.
If you are looking for a translation, you can see the online Valmiki Ramayan published by IIT Kanpur. Dr.Rangan ji has also published a 10-volume translation.
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Thank you for this very interesting, informative conversation.