@@agamingchristianwifeYeah it does they where celebrating baal birthday on 12/25 before Jesus even existed Eze 8:14 - Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz Tammuz was the sun God baal.
Yeah it does they where celebrating baal birthday on 12/25 before Jesus even existed Eze 8:14 - Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz Tammuz was the sun God baal.
As someone who no longer Celebrates Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc. I have the utmost respect for this guy and the way he presents an argument. Clear, educated, and without judgement. I will continue not to partake because I believe the over commercialization of the holiday and materialistic stress that everyone puts on themselves to make everything perfect for a day we are not even instructed to celebrate is enough without the pagan aspect to keep me from it. Not to mention Christmas in most peoples homes isn't about Jesus. He may get an honerable mention and possibly even a 5 minute nativity story time but then its right back into the materialism. I dont judge those who do, never have. I dont belive its salvation dependent but I feel convicted to not take part in it so I wont. Love your channel, excellent advocate for our savior! God bless.
To the one whom it is sin, let it be sin! I’m a Christmas enjoyer but I respect your demeanor and resolve! It’s good to know we don’t have to divide over these things!
If you ever choose to celebrate it, you and your household celebrate for the right reasons and not for the secular ones. God bless you and I commend your convictions
Sounds like you didn't want to celebrate it in the first place and wasn't going to. No matter how many arguments were presented to you. You can personally divorce the holidays from all the cultural influence placed upon them and still celebrate them
Same! I subscribed right away. So happy someone is calling out Billy's lies. He has misled way too many from the truth of God's bible. I pray this converts more people to our creator God's true word in the bible and that salvation is through Christ Jesus🙏🏾❤🙏🏾
The only problem i see with Christmas celebration’s is that people obsess over Santa and it becomes about him and people are ok with lying to their kids about him
I don't. I don't tell my child about Santa or lie to her. No such thing as Santa that that's an open door for demons in my opinion and breaking of trust. There's only God no weird mystical demon
@@xxsupastarxxwell that's super sad but lots of us do not lie to our children or tell them there's something like that because that can be really dangerous
"We were never commanded to celebrate Christmas, so we shouldn't do it." Angels, "Yeah, we came en masse to the shepherds to announce Christ's birth with the intention that they would NOT celebrate it. And we don't know what those wisemen were thinking. Or Simeon. Or Anna. I mean, it's not like God coming down in human form to save the world from sin is something to celebrate."
@@teedeadaz2653did you watch the video. You clearly were happy for him to debunk all the myths Billy believes, but the question is, what about myths that might have been taught to believe about the links between Christmas and Paganism. Are we as ready and happy to listen to that teaching as well.
I have been battling with this for years! It’s a reflection time. I don’t worship the tree or any ornaments. Instead, I read the New Testament and reflect on Jesus Christ teachings. Blessings to all at this time. ❤
@@L82Love Jesus taught Torah and his teachings were all Torah based. He was the living embodiment of Torah. The Torah points to the Messiah over and over. To understand Messiah, you must understand Torah. No reason to just read the "New Testament". There is no new and old testament. It's all one big continuous book.
Amen. God knows our hearts. He knows what we believe and have faith in and love. It is not an in adamant object, like a tree. We know we do not worship the tree, ornaments, presents or anything else of the like. Those who like to judge others for decorating a tree, especially with ornaments like Jesus, our family, and other funny things that make us laugh or happy, is simply absurd and not true. But, people will always judge others. I leave the judging to God and will continue to pray to The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit every day. God Bless you all.
This video - being 3 years old - is so extremely telling of the resilience and confidence of Mr. Huff, in how he deals with criticism. His response is a stark contrast to how Mr. Carson acted after their debate. You are a class act, Wes!
Needless to say, I am part of the 100k community who flocked to your channel after your debate with Billy Carson. I had no idea who either of you were until a post by Mike Winger pointed me to the debate, and the rest is history... I am now learning from you. Thank you, from Brazil
I am not here to tell anyone else what to do. I have plenty of trouble keeping myself inline. I do what Israel did, because that is what my savior did. I can not go wrong with that. I celebrate the Holy days in my Bible! Nothing added and nothing taken out. We can discuss what is christian all we want, but God is returning for Israel. Natural branches and those who are grafted in.
@@nmartini22The Church are the People of Messiah Jesus and we are all Israel.. all believers are a people unto Christ Jesus, so thus we are Children of Israel 🕎
For Christmas Eve this year, our church had a service that so many people attended that normally aren't there on Sundays. The pastor gave a solid Gospel message. As far as I'm concerned, if Christmas brings people (that don't normally attend unfortunately) to church at least once a year to hear/celebrate about the Good News, it's the best holiday of them all.
You are excited that Christmas brought a bunch of strangers into a meeting organized by cult leaders who want to implement mind-control and swindle them out of their money based on a long-disproven fraudulent Messiah figure? I wouldn't be so happy if I was you.
i was born and raised a JW. in my early 30s i actually read the bible and came to the conclusion i had to leave religion, but i never left left GOD, Jesus. ive never celebrated Xmas, due to being a JW and used to think God hated people for doing so. since then, i realized God reads the heart and we as christians cannot say who is saved or not as we cannot read hearts. i still do not celebrate Xmas simply cause Jesus said not to follow traditions of men, and he surely did not say to celebrate his birth, BUT he DID tell us to never forget his Death, which is something he told us to keep doing (passover). thank you for this video, i learned a lot, but i do not celebrate it, but i do not condemn anyone who does. its all about love and forgiveness, none of us are perfect and continue to sin.
I love how you read the comments verbatim. lol, that gave me a good laugh. lol keep up the great work, Wes! Just subscribed after viewing the career ending Billy debate.
So encouraging. Thanks for sharing. 😊 This is further confirmation of what the Lord began to teach me last winter. I was raised in a Christian family where we celebrated Christmas each year in the traditional Christian way. My parents were born again and I was not yet at the time. In my later teens/early 20s I began to follow the pagan ways of Wicca and I celebrated Yule. I never celebrated Saturnalia. There are many branches of Paganism. The Lord saved me at the age of 26 2004 and as a babe in Christ I began to learn about the so called paganism of Christmas. I wasn't yet mature or strong enough to handle what I was learning about it and my conscience was still weak and growing but over time the Lord began to liberate me and teach me about the conscience through scriptures such.as the one you mentioned in Colossians. Ultimately we as Christians are commanded and surely desire to worship our Lord and Saviour every single day including on days such as Christmas day. His birth, death and resurrection are significant every day of our lives so yes I will celebrate my Lord and Saviour every day including on Christmas day and use it as a spring board for the gospel to share Christ with my neighbours and friends that by the means of His grace and mercy the Lord may save some.
@@Firmamentisdome is it pagan worship if the traditions are in honor and reverence of God? I still disagree with Santa but if you make the entire celebration symbolism for the birth of Jesus is that still considered pagan in your eyes? Honestly asking. Me and my family basically don't celebrate Christmas for this reason but I would like to create God-centered traditions for my family during the holidays
So proud of you as a Christian brother after your surgical debate against Billy Carson. I haven't heard of either of y'all before today but I've got to give you some major props for being a soldier for our Lord and defending Christianity.
It’s good to see a healthy, swole Christian representing us. I appreciate your hard work and diligent study all these years to clarify topics that most of us don’t have time or opportunity to research.
Man, it's frustrating how Wes is presenting sound and logical arguments based on actual facts an people in the comments are just repeating the same old superstitions. Good job being the voice of reason Wes.
Except nothing he said was "the messiah did it and kept it so you should." Christians have their own man made religion that has no routes in the messiah. So strange
@@anniejohnxSad but true for the majority. Jumping through hoops in order to partake of the table of God and the table of demons shows a love of tradition more than a love of truth. Watching people choose to celebrate Christmas knowing full-well where it stems from in opposition to pure worship of YHWH as He commands is quite sad to watch.
They aren't sound arguments, they are biased cherry-picking which is the wheelhouse of every Christian "scholar" who is nothing more than an apologist.
@@chronic_daydreamer You don't see the problem with this logic? "If Jesus didn't explicitly say we should do this, then it's a sin" Jesus didn't say a lot of things. He didn't say you should celebrate your birthday and be specially thankful for life then, he didn't say we should brush our teeth every morning. Didn't say we should have a sunday service and then weekday services... These are TRADITIONS we chose. And what matters is that the purpose and heart of the traditions glorify God. . (Brushing your teeth keeps you clean -- Cleanliness, Attending Sunday and weekday services -- fellowshipping with the brethren, Celebrating your birthday every year - specially giving thanks to God for life, Celebrating christmas -- specially appreciating God's love and decision to die for sinners.) .
I Was an ex-Muslim who understood the Islamic framework from an infant as my dad was an imam until I encountered Yeshua a few years ago and went in to understudy history, philosophy, and sacred theology. To be sharing some of the insights I have learned on my channel. It will be nice having you on my channel. Shalom, Shalom family
Hello, l am so happy that you encountered Yeshua Jesus, and were saved! Praise the Lord.❤️🔥🙏✝️ I too encountered Him and was saved out of Mormonism and childhood sexual abuse. He is everything to me. He healed my soul and my mind. Blessings to you and yours in Jesus most Holy name.🙏❤️🔥✝️
Wow!!! I cannot believe I’ve never heard about you Until Joe Rogan interview and Im not an actually Rogan’s fan but everybody was talking so much about you and Carlson and Your work and knowledge that immediately went to watch your work and it was mind blowing
Thank you for respecting those of us who feel uncomfortable with the current Christmas activities. I don't reject others for observing it. It's nice to receive the same consideration and treatment.
I celebrate Christmas, but that is your right to celebrate our Heavenly Father in the way you see fit. Just at least say Merry Christmas if someone says it to you. Your INTENT will shield you, because he ALWAYS KNOWS what you really mean.
@@WhiskerBiscuit1 It's actually not. The Father told us in the Bible what pleases Him and what does not. You engaging in a blasphemous celebration of the anti-christ, the false light, which is really what christmas is, is your choice to do - but don't delude yourself or others into thinking it is somehow honoring Jesus Christ.
@@alphaforce6998 lifting up Christ to a fallen world on Dec 25 is blasphemous? How so? Do you say the same about celebrating His resurrection? Where is your grace and love that we were also commanded to show? Teach why you think the way you do instead of condemning people you know nothing about. God sees that too. Grace, love, humility, peace... these are all part of our walk. We don't judge others on what days they celebrate outside of God's weekly holy Sabbath. That's also scripture. If we celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ only (no one knows the exact date), it doesn't go against God and His holy Word. The entire bible shows us to continually praise and worship Him. Dec 25 is no different. Dec 25 helps bring people TO Christ. Dec 25 brings much needed assistance to the least of us around the globe. It's a season of love, grace, giving, and most of all peace.
Please explain to me the fact that the shepherds were in the fields with their sheep. The shepherds do not herd their sheep in fields in the winter months because of lack of grazing.
I think you miss the point. No one believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25. It was a simple calculation to pick a day to celebrate His birth. What is wrong with that?
Sure correlation doesn’t equal causation, however it’s clear that Christmas is not solely celebrated around Jesus and is becoming less and less about Jesus each year because of commercialization. People even stopped saying Merry Christmas and started saying Happy Holidays instead. Something just doesn’t sit right with me fallowing this celebration given the direction that it’s going.
With the way that our nation is going, obviously unbelievers and atheists are not celebrating Jesus and completely miss the point. That shouldn't be a surprise at ALL, false churches in general are going in the same direction. But that doesn't mean that all christians are going down that path, nor does it mean that there are people who need to stop celebrating it because of what atheists/ANYONE outside the kingdom of God are doing, NOR does it mean that you are loved by God any less or any more AS a believer if you choose to celebrate Christ's birth on December 25 or not. The Scriptures do not condemn you for celebrating Christ's birth on 12/25, nor does it condemn you for not celebrating it. If you don't want to celebrate His birth that's you, but cannot be pushed on every Christian. That's legalism.
@@Art_Odyssey93 so do you still go to church and read the Bible despite people not doing that anymore? What sense does that make? I mean to each their own, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater 😂
Having been on both sides of this issue, I have earned the right to judge all of you! Just kidding. I was raised early in the Swiss/German tradition of Christmas in Switzerland when I lived there as a very young boy and loved it. Later, when we returned to the US and I grew up with a family of my own, I became convinced that it was a coopted celebration of pagan origins. To me, this was a personal conviction of little actual consequence to my life in Christ and certainly not an issue over which to break fellowship. Now I've come back to a cultural acceptance of it as a celebration, but not a matter of "doctrine either way. i''m a recent subscriber (Billy Carson debate) and find your work full of "verisimilitude". Thank you for bringing more true scholarship to such things!
The Solar Feast of Natalis Invicti The Catholic Encyclopedia explains that the solar feast of Natalis Invicti, also known as the “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun,” was a ancient Roman festival celebrated on December 25th. This festival was dedicated to the sun god Sol Invictus, and it marked the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year. History of Natalis Invicti: The festival of Natalis Invicti was introduced in the 3rd century AD by the Roman Emperor Aurelian, who wanted to promote the worship of Sol Invictus as a unifying force for the Roman Empire. The festival was celebrated with rituals, sacrifices, and gift-giving, and it was seen as a time of renewal and rebirth. Connection to Christmas: The Catholic Encyclopedia notes that the early Christian church chose December 25th as the date for Christmas, which coincided with the existing festival of Natalis Invicti. This was likely done to co-opt the existing pagan festival and to make it easier for pagans to convert to Christianity. Influence on Christmas Traditions: The festival of Natalis Invicti had a significant influence on the development of Christmas traditions. Many of the customs and rituals associated with Christmas, such as the use of evergreen trees, holly, and mistletoe, have their roots in ancient pagan festivals like Natalis Invicti. Solar Imagery in Christian Art: The solar imagery associated with Natalis Invicti also found its way into Christian art and symbolism. For example, the sun is often depicted as a symbol of Christ, and the use of solar imagery in Christian art and architecture is a testament to the enduring influence of ancient pagan festivals like Natalis Invicti. Key Dates 274 AD: The Roman Emperor Aurelian introduces the festival of Natalis Invicti on December 25th. 336 AD: The early Christian church chooses December 25th as the date for Christmas, coinciding with the existing festival of Natalis Invicti. 4th century AD: The festival of Natalis Invicti is gradually replaced by Christmas, but many of its customs and rituals are incorporated into the new holiday
Not really he’s trying to tell people this lie about Christmas not being pagan even though it’s not even a Christian doctrine but one taken from pagan cultures. Jesus was born during the spring to summer time and he was 😢not born on dec 25 Mitra was
While correlation is not causation, tradition is not justification in the same sense. It does not follow that because one can find a practice amongst Christians, that it is biblically prescribed or has its origins in such. Now Paul speaks of freedoms regarding culturally celebrated events by way of saying do not let someone judge you regarding these things (Col 2:16). Without biblical prescription I would argue that people are free to celebrate but it ought not have its formal weight that the church lays upon it. The prescription is communion and to proclaim Christ until He comes. Furthermore, it says something of the Christian culture that the greatest church attendance happens on Easter and Christmas. This is not an argument against these celebrations but it has the appearance that Jesus's birth and death/resurrection are the most significant moments of His incarnation. It is no surprise that the western church is struggling in its holiness when it seems to neglect Christ for everything in between his birth and resurrection and every subsequent day. Again, Paul says we will be saved by his life (Romans 5:10). It is for these reasons that I will hold some reservations toward Christmas in particular and seek to celebrate each day in thanksgiving and worship and service, imperfectly so. The temptation to be satisfied with elevating one day over many others seems indicative of the 6 day secular life and 1 day sacred life phenomenon in the west and in the U.S. in particular.
Id really appreciate feed back on why you never mentioned Constantine. He ruled at the time when it was celebrated right? It was a pagan government before and he was a lost man that wanted to be looked at righteously as to why he combined the two different beliefs to appease the people and be exalted. Please tell me where I am off. Truly want to know how to engage with the specifics.
Why would he mention anything that goes against his argument? If he were to really put any thought into his argument, we would have come to the truth, and he does not want that, because the truth is not appealing to him. He would rather have his ears tickled and do the same to others.
Exactly my thought. You cannot talk about this without mentioning Constantine. It is easy to pick and choose situations to support your premise.Lots of research and maybe not enough understanding.
That’s one thing I seem to have a problem with. When ppl decide to only talk about the specifics that benefit their argument, if he was to do a thorough research he would bring up Constantine and debunk anything about him in this argument. Then I could take it a little bit more seriously, not that I would have a change of mind that easily but still.
After all the myths you heard about Constantine, which has now been busted, you still don't stop with the calumny, keep giving unbelievers the 🔪 they will use against you . Christmas is related to the hannukah because of the birth of the new temple (incarnation aka God stepping into the Human flesh) . And it's celebrated by the lighting of candles which commence four 4 weeks before Christmas, but how will you know You are not Catholic or Orthodox.
Just finding out about you after your Joe Rogan interview and had to search out your channel. I am so thankful for your explanations. I appreciate all your years of dedicated research. I have been so disappointed by many churches that i just stopped going. My desire for Gods truth and the word of Jesus remains strong but admittedly has become lost in the shuffle. Thank you for being you and reaching out to so many of us who probably feel the same way. May God continue to bless you! 🙏♥️
It’s really sad how “un” and misinformed so many people are who claim to be Christians, and how unkind and ungracious they can be. A lot of that is due to the poor quality of teaching in the church for so long. Thank God he’s raising people like you up, Wes!
God did not raised people like him to teach about the birth of Christ. Where did God said to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ? But God raised people like the apostles to teach of sin and repentance! Jesus commanded us not to celebrate his birth but commanded us believers to remember the night before his betrayal! Christian’s were only recently and they were not believers of Christ. Only when they converted to Christ they continued their practices which now involved Christ. This is a gospel apostle Paul warned us! Christmas is not of God. As Paul said, be a man or an angel coming with a different gospel listen not to it! Be that it is not another gospel but one! One gospel man have corrupted and perverted. God told his people in the Old Testament, do not take a tree and decorate it with gold and silver for it is a sin! God left this command thousand of years ago! Be careful! Jesus gave no importance to his birth and commanded it not to be celebrated.
@@Fqlan You're literally doing what Paul cautioned against Col.2.16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The coincidence that the Birth of Christ matches exactly the time where the day starts to become bigger than the night after the winter solstice is suspicious. In Bulgaria we also celebrate this day of the new born sun as Млада Бога - Young God and it starts from December 22nd till December 24th which is Christmas Eve. December 21st - the day of the winter solstice we call Еднажден - The Zero Day or Тhe one day in literal translation, which solve the problem with the accuracy of the calendar because it is not included. Our Bulgarian Orthodox Church has changed Еднажден to Игнажден - Saint Ignatius of Antioch`s day which if you look closer is similar in Cyrillic alphabet. You can check our Old Bulgarian Calendar which is considered the most accurate in the world and approved by UNESCO and it has these holidays in it which are astronomical holidays and they match exactly the Christian holidays. What is your opinion about that?
@WesHuff Please answer the above commenters question if you're able. I'm very interested in your answer as I have the same exact question and concern. Thanks in advance for all your hard work. God bless. - A brother in Christ
I am so happy that God is using a young man like Wes to defend the Gospel of Christ. Wes is so knowledgeable and full of wisdom! I can’t get enough of him! God bless you Wes and keep doing what you do by making the devil a liar!!
If you belive in this false prophet so much why don't you ask him to do a real service like proving the historical truth of Jesus. He can't. Which is why him and all apologetics are trained solely in disproving only what threatens their reality. Stop worshiping these men and a book. I pray you come to know God.
Why doesn't your god use his awesome power to make his religion make sense on any level? Or simply perform one single communication or miracle to mankind which would instantly convert every person on the planet? I think that might be a better use of his abilities then spending them on a well-spoken young guy to be your flavor-of-the-week apologist before the truth rapidly ends his career like it has for hundreds of others.
@@OfficialChikezieThat’s not a good rebuttal of not celebrating the birthday of Christ. Don’t follow the traditions of men, follow Christ. He didn’t specify His birthday, let alone told us to celebrate it.
@@richcrude2674 Col.2.16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, You're fleshly! No different from the judaisers
Are you saying the many miracles Jesus performed that didn't make it to the Bible aren't valid because they aren't in the Bible? That the celebrations/get togethers/events not named in the Bible are unimportant? The early church fathers and Apostles wrote the books of the bible as teaching aids for early Christians. The most important stuff revealed by the Holy Spirit got put in there. That doesn't mean that things that didn't make it in were unimportant, it just means the most important stuff was put in. Very shallow argument implying birthdays shouldn't be celebrated because the Bible doesn't address birthday parties....
They don't decorate a scarecrow with silver and gold. Christmas is simply traditional and symbolic with pagan parallels. Follow your convictions people.
There is a very good case for the birth of the messiah being during the autumn festival of tabernacles. And this aligns with scripture and prophetic timelines very well.
His name will be Emmanuel Which means God with us. There's no Tabernacle or Temple now - we are the Temple He came to dwell within. Makes complete Biblical sense in fulfilling the Judaism (Old Testament) coming of the Messiah - The King of the Jews. The Hebrew calendar for the Israelites was established by YAH himself - in Exodus 23. We are told to remember His death until He returns in the Lords Supper - 1 Corinthians 11:23-26 There are NO Christians in the Old Testament NOT ONE. The Word Christian only appears twice in the NT and it was given to them that followed The Way by non believers. I've been watching this guy for a few years - he's very good on 98% of his topics but unfortunately in this one he's very biased by his beliefs. Mary and Joseph were in Jerusalem for a censor, that the Romans declared and knew the 3 occasions a year that all would travel to Jerusalem. He is the Lamb of God - sent to die on the Cross, as prophesied in Isaiah,(amd many others) to take away the SIN of the world. All accommodation was booked for the feast - feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot in Hebrew. Being the perfect, unblemished Lamb of God he would have been born when the lambs were. Last but not least - they altered our calendar by 3 months from Biblical times ... the beginning of the year used to be what we now call 1 April - hence April fools. Hebrews 5 and 6 says that we need to return to the Oracles of God... To do this in this day and age, we need the Holy Ghost because man teaching man with the knowledge and understanding or being lead by the Spirit is just deception.
* census not a censor I'm no theologian but I studied under one who speaks fluent Hebrew for a year - now trying to teach myself Greek to understand the scriptures better. I don't care what this guy says - Scholar be he may - Christmas of today's world is completely pagan. And no where are we told to continue to celebrate HIS birth year after year - If we believe the Gospel and know He's where he belongs in the heavenly places seated at the right hand of the Father. He told HIS 12 Apostles at the Last Supper to continue to proclaim the Lords death - because without HIS sacrifice we are not covered by his blood - which is of the NEW COVENANT Hebrews 9:15
🤍📯🕒⏳⌛; KJVB 2 Timothy 4: 3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from THE TRUTH, and shall be turned unto fables .
Similarities are irrelevant if there’s no direct causation. Pagans often used wine in worship. That is a similarity to the divine service of Christian’s. That does. Not mean paganism crept in
Yule began practising in the 13 centrury long after the celebration of Christmas and it is more like being stolen stolen from Christmas like other IP has great video about it
Thanks for this. I always felt uneasy when people would accost me over the innocent celebration of the birth of Christ, but had no answer besides not being interested in being drawn into conflict over it. Also, Merry Christmas!
Don't let anyone with a sweet tongue and handsome face lure you to the wrong thing. Read for yourselves. Study the Yule celebration and traditions. Everything spoken here is very well-spoken opinion. READ!!!! Psalms 119 is a good read. Ecclesiastes 7:25, Jeremiah 29:13, and Psalms 119:2 all tell us seek YHVH with our whole heart. So please seek understanding.
My dear brother Wes, thanks again for your passion and devotion to sharing The Truth. We appreciate you and we look forward to have you again at our church sometime soon.
@@WesHuffYeshua didn't celebrate his own birthday and neither did his apostles. And since December 25th is inaccurate, is that worshipping in Spirit and in TRUTH?
@@EdenSophia118 We don't celebrate it because we think Jesus was ACTUALLY born on Dec 25th years ago. We celebrate it to specially share love and appreciate Jesus' sacrifice. Doesn't matter if it is done on Dec 25th or Jan 30th. Please, leave this notion out of your mind. Nobody knows the exact day He was born. Since we don't have an option for Jesember 38th, then we'll have to settle for December 25th (Imagine it was an arbitrary selection, again, doesn't matter what day or month).
@Wes Huff You should look further back than the dates you mentioned. The date of December 25th is not what’s important is the Winter Solstice which is key to the pagan origins of the “Holiday”
@@Tobyyy369 still the Martin Luther part kept me thinking, but Santa Claus is definitely the one that has no place in Christmas, because it definitely pagan mixed with a little Roman saint, in Europe we can still see today the pagan connection in how it’s celebrated in different regions of Europe, also commerce promotes Santa Claus and pushes Jesus more and more out of Christmas .
I appreciate you input on a lot of the aspects of Christmas, and I agree with much of it. I do, however, disagree with you view on Santa Clause @13:24 and quickly lumping it in with Christmas trees is not a fair assessment. What are we told about Santa? 1) He’s magical. What does the Bible say about magic? 2) He sees your when you’re sleeping, he knows when you’re awake, he knows if you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake. That is clearly a false Christ depiction - more on that in a moment. 3) Were told that he keeps a list of who’s been naughty and nice. That replaces the idea of the book of life, and makes rewards work-based (i.e. your good behavior can be enough to earn you rewards). Now, I could go on, but to catch up with the point I said I would continue on previously. I watched my 9 year old niece lift her eyes to the sky and yell “thank you Santa” for her gifts, because my sister and her husband wrote on the gift tags that they were from Santa. It’s going to be pretty difficult to convince me that “Santa” in that very instance is not a snare for my nieces faith in God. To whom do we owe all of our thanks, praise, and worship? To whom did the thanks, praise, and worship go to? Now, I didn’t cause a scene or even point out the potential (arguably affirmative) issue there. I sat there quietly and let them continue in their celebration. That same niece believes that a magical elf moves around the house each night, when in reality it’s her parents moving the elf around and convincing my niece that magic is real. My brother-in-law touched the elf and my niece saw, which she said “takes away its magic”, my sister then looked up how to return magic to the elf (to please my niece, not that my sister believes in magic). I then saw the elf placed on paper towels and circled in sprinkles and/or sparkles, in what appeared to be an amateur seance. Sure, it seems harmless for the most part now, but it only takes a small seed for a massive oak to grow over time. I’m concerned that you don’t take this seriously, because you haven’t seen things like what I described in person. I attest to you, there are many many families going through similar experiences right now. My sister claims the name of Christian and goes to church. My brother-in-law claims the name of Catholic, but goes to church with my sister. My niece goes to Sunday school. They bear no fruit of people that have been born again. I’m truly concerned about them and their practices (beyond just the previously mentioned activities). This isn’t some game of analytical dissection, there’s a lion lurking and waiting to devour.
I’d really like to know why you went over so many aspects of Christmas, but skipped right over Santa, which is arguably the most easily recognizable aspect of modern Christmas.
@NoOneToNoOne89 You made great points, Brother. Here’s another correlation between Satan/Santa/Nimrod etc attempting to be like YAH. Isaiah 14:12-14 12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13For you have said in your heart: ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.’ Ascending above the clouds? Farthest sides of the North sounds suspiciously similar to the North Pole, also.
One of the many reasons I could never be a Jehovah's Witness. And the whole blood transfusion thing with them. Can you imagine letting your child die because an organization taught that life-saving blood transfusions were sinful only to have the same organization "receive new light" and change their position on the matter? It would be heartbreaking and a genuine possibility for a JW.
My wife is a nurse and told me story about a mother who was giving birth. She needed a blood , but since her family was JW they did not let her do it. She passed away. My wife was a mess, she said she could easily have been saved.
That's what happened to Selena the famous tejano singer. She could of lived but her parents refused to give her a blood transfusion due to their beliefs(religion)
We don't really need enemies in the world to hurt Christians. The vitriol that Christians spew at each other in comment sections shows that we don't need an enemy. We are our own enemies. My respect to you, Sir, Wes Huff. You handle discussions and differences with the utmost patience, meekness, authority and an obvious love of the Church. You're an example to follow! God bless you.
Christmas is pagan through and through and no matter how hard you try to make it look innocent, it has nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible… you need to renounce all your sins and stop looking for reasons to hold on. Repent and be converted
Christmas is Pagan because it's not in the Bible...God gave specific feast days to have...Christians got rid of God's Days for their Pagan days...that's facts...I would debate you can't substantiate keeping Christmas according to the Bible
I'm a former pagan/wiccan. We believed that the source of the Holiday Tree... was from the goddess Isis, and her relationship to Osiris, (the tree of life) The story was, after Osiris died, he was re birthed as a tree. His birthday fell in the winter solstice, (end of december) and that Osiris left gifts under the tree at this time of year. This belief dates back to ancient Egypt and is not recent. As an ex witch... I will NEVER have a Christmas tree or mistletoe, or garlands to represent Holly and Ivy in my house! It's unbiblical and nothing Christian about it. The pagans believed the holiday ever green tree to be magick. Same for the Holly and the Ivy, Yule log, mistletoe etc etc. Nothing that anyone says will convince me that any of this is ok. It's just not~!
This person makes a valid point. I'm not sure why their comment is unbiblical. They have simply stated facts about their previous experiences of being a pagan. How is that unbiblical?
@@TheWoodhatch Staying biblical…. Ecclesiastes 7:16: "Do not be overly righteous, and do not make yourself too wise-why should you destroy yourself?" This verse cautions against excessive self-righteousness or moral superiority, emphasizing the need for humility and balance. It reminds us that acting as though we are morally better than others can lead to harm or downfall.
@@aur9209 If it was important God would have asked for it. He didn't. He asked for 7 other festivals that Christians refuse to celebrate so why should it matter to Christians what God wants.. they know how to do their own thing.
@@protectedacrossonobviously not and so many other couch commentators here seem to have skipped the video all together and jumped straight in the comments. You can lead a horse to water…..
I hung on to every word, believe that anything we put before God is a type of idolotry, God will not share his glory, He is a jealous God, we may not be actually be worshiping a graven image in the way the pagans did in the Jeremiah passage, perhaps there is no strong correlation between then & now, but if we call the celebration Christs mass then it should be about Christ, not Santa the tree and mystical creatures.
It's funny how he's only going as far back as the Roman's when discussing pagan beliefs. It's a fact that December 25th and the winter solstice was celebrated for 100's if not thousands of years before Christianity even existed.
You should create a video with sources on it and disprove him then. Surely if you have the time to do thorough research on this to verify all your sources to come to a disagreement with this UA-camr then you easily have the content to put forth a video debunking this.
Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival held in honor of the god Saturn, typically celebrated from December 17 to December 23. Initially, it began as a one-day event but gradually expanded to a weeklong celebration by the late Republic. The festival was marked by a reversal of social norms, where roles between slaves and masters were temporarily relaxed, and people engaged in feasting, gift-giving, and merrymaking. Saturnalia began to decline in significance as Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire. By the end of the 4th century CE, the festival was largely overshadowed by the celebration of Christmas, which was officially established on December 25. The transition from Saturnalia to Christmas involved the absorption of many of Saturnalia's customs, such as gift-giving and festive gatherings, into the new Christian holiday. Christmas effectively replaced Saturnalia as the primary winter celebration in the Roman calendar. The choice of December 25 for Christmas was likely influenced by existing pagan festivals, including Saturnalia and the Roman festival of the "Birth of the Unconquered Sun." This strategic timing allowed early Christians to incorporate popular pagan traditions into their new faith, facilitating a smoother transition for converts from paganism to Christianity. A scholarly source that discusses the transition from Saturnalia to Christmas and the incorporation of pagan traditions into Christian celebrations is the following: MacCulloch, Diarmaid. Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years. Viking, 2011. In this book, Diarmaid MacCulloch provides a comprehensive historical account of Christianity’s development, including its interactions with pagan traditions and the adaptation of various customs, such as Saturnalia, into Christian practices. MacCulloch explores how the early Christian church positioned Christmas in alignment with or as a replacement for existing pagan festivals like Saturnalia, Sol Invictus, and others around the winter solstice. Another useful source is: Brown, Peter. The World of Late Antiquity: AD 150-750. Thames & Hudson, 1971. Brown’s work covers the broader social and religious transformations in the late Roman Empire, including the decline of traditional pagan festivals like Saturnalia and their absorption into Christian practices. He discusses the role of seasonal festivals and how they were reinterpreted in the context of the Christianization of the Roman world. These sources provide scholarly insights into the historical and cultural processes that led to the adaptation of Saturnalian customs into the Christian holiday of Christmas.
@girlforJesus7843 Is not necessarily a strange place, I think it's all for laughs and giggles, but if anyone is curious about the actual origin: the Roman name "Sextus" derives from the Latin word for "sixth", so we can assume probably the 6th child or something like that. Similar first names of the day were Quintus ("fifth") and Decimus (which means "tenth").
The story of Heru (Horus) was written on the Temple of Luxor and in Hieroglyphs. The Hebrew language came a lot later and since the stories are very similar, it’s easy to see how they could have been borrowed from it. The book “The Pagan Christ” calls out many of these similarities that were borrowed and added to Christianity.
Because there is no such verse. Christmas is a pagan celebration. And even if it did not have its origins in pagan gods' celebrations, it would still not be okay because it would then be nothing but a tradition of men.
@@octogintillion how about we do exactly what is commanded in the Bible? How about we don’t celebrate extra biblical holidays that God didn’t command in the Bible?
@@Aviole The Bible does describe the timing of Christ's birth. We can calculate this from context clues given in the Bible. As we know from basic human biology, the average child is born about 9 months after they are conceived. Christ's conception is something announced in the Bible, in the Gospel according to Luke 1:26-38. In these verses we see only one timestamp given: 6 months into the pregnancy of St Elizabeth, the mother of St John the Baptist. The Theotokos is informed that she will bear the Son of God. Mary gives her consent to this, and then she conceives. So far we have two timestamps: 9 months after the Annunciation, and 6 months after the conception of St John the Baptist. However, we don't yet have an exact date. In the scriptures, though, we are told when St John the Baptist was conceived. The Gospel of Luke 1:5-22 describes the conception of Saint John the Baptist as happening "of the course of Abia" This is a critically important point because this describes the jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, which happened in late September of 1 BC. How does that simple phrase describe Yom Kippur? Well, the Scripture records the Course of Abia as the eighth course among the 24 priestly courses for the Old Covenant Jews. (Nehemiah 12:17). Each course served one week in the temple for twice each year. The course of Abia served during the 8th week and the 32nd week in the annual cycle. This means that the priestly course of Abia (the course of St Zacharias) was serving during the 2nd week of the Jewish month of Tishri - the week of the Day of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri. In the secular calendar, the Day of Atonement on 10th Tishri lands anywhere from September 22 to October 8. In 1BC, Hebrew Calendars have calculated it to be roughly equivalent to be about September 27th. www.cgsf.org/dbeattie/calendar/?roman=1bc St Zacharias and St Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist immediately after Zacharias served his course. This means that St John the Baptist would have been conceived somewhere around the end of September. This confirms the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Conception of St John the Baptist on September 23, and places his birth 9 months later at the end of June, confirming the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Nativity of Saint John the Baptist on June 24. So if St John the Baptist was conceived around September 23rd-27th, then Christ was conceived 6 months later in March (23rd-27th). That means Christ was born 9 months later in December, 23rd - 27th, which just so happens to contain December 25th.
@@Aviole A time for honoring Jesus and the miracle of his birth is not pagan. And like was said in the video if you watch it, Jesus himself went to Jerusalem to celebrate a holiday that was not commanded in the Scripture.
Awesome summary! I've been looking for something this concise to give to my Christian friends who don't and lean towards the pagan argument. Truth is if another day was chosen to celebrate and used different things to decorate the naysayers would find some other connections to complain about because I believe Satan doesn't want us to celebrate Him but wants to keep us arguing instead.
The bible doesn't celebrate birthdays. Romans 6:16 him you listen to, him you obey, him also you worship. Adam & Eve sinned biig time, but the statement from satan sounded simple and innocent. There are only 2 thoughts in this world. It's either from God or from satan. Satan will inspire this clever reasoning. Jesus answered, "it is written". Exactly what Eve should have answered satan in Eden. There is nothing as dangerous as comprise. My conclusion: i don't care whether it's pagan or not. It is not from God! Therefore it is from satan. Revelation 13:3-4 KJV [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
I hate to say it, but when I see or hear rants over the subject of Christmas,, I feel that those people hate Jesus and subsequently hate His birth and birthday. Why pick the birthday of JESUS to find so "pagan" and why say that only 2 people (Pharaoh and Herod) celebrated birthdays ? we don't really know that many birthdays were not celebrated, do we ? it makes me think of how "off the deep end" people are about makeup, saying Jezebel painted her face. Maybe ALL WOMEN used a minute amount of help for their appearance - and how could wearing makeup be twisted up in making a girl/woman a Jezebel ?
@claudiakochistringov5651 Pharaoh, Herod and Belchazzer are heathen kings . And when ever a birthday is celebrated the Christian saints are killed & murdered as martyrs. John the baptist got his head chopped off because of a birthday. And when you speak about makeup. Didn't you notice that Jacob commanded all his women to take of their makeup & jewellery. And he buried it in the ground. Then he moves from that point and positions all his family in battle formation. His emphasis is that we have to meet God(Jesus/ The Angel of the Lord) without anything of satan. That's why Jesus said, satan has nothing of me. Makeup came and originated from prostitution. No matter how much you try to formalise it. It is authored by satan the father of all sin. Birthday celebration and Xmas is authored by satan. No matter how much you try to make it Christian. It is not possible. Satan is called the accuser of the brethren. As long as you have sin in your life. Then he has jurisdiction over you. That why satan was able to challenge Jesus over the body of Moses and Joshua at Jericho. This is why Jacob told all his household to bury that madness. Why? Because we are about to meet The Chief Prince of heaven itself! That is the Elijah message, bold & aggressive evangelism like John the baptist. Joshua 5 He told Joshua kneeling to me is not enough. Take of your shoes(your past sins) because you're standing on holy ground. This is the revelation message. Come out of Babylon my people. You can't worship God using satan's day. Jacob noticed that. The children of Israel with Moses noticed that. In anyway the 1st polygamy in human history by Lameck from the line of Cain. His 2 wives Zillah & Adah is the definition of makeup. So when Gabriel is saying to Mary, greatly beloved are you amongst all women. Perish the thought that Mary was wearing makeup. Mt Zion is a holy place. No sin can enter there. It is not possible for The Holy Spirit to come to Mary whilst she is dressed like Jezebel. Dressing reflects character. God answered Abel through obedience, not through physical flesh display. His name is called wonderful. According to Samson's parents. What is wonderful is obedience like Abel. Not physical display. Psalm 68 - Mt Bashan(Lucifer & the fallen earth) is greater than Mt Zion in physical splendour. But Mt Zion shall be greater because. The LORD has chosen it as His dwelling place! That is the emphasis as we are going towards the end. Come out of Babylon. Rise up from sleep and slumber! You'll not meet Jesus holding on to your Xmas trees. You're not going to meet This Greatest Exalted Celestial Pontentate Chief Prince wearing your makeup.(Thou shall not bear false witness/ you shall not lie). That is the last final warning of Elijah/ Revelation.
@@faraijoffreymutepfa873 And yet God commanded feasts and celebrations. Also Isaac sent jewelry to adorn Rebecca. Jesus celebrated all the Jewish holidays and weddings. His first miracle he provided wine for celebration. I guess you are more righteous than Christ?
For me it's very easy... "the Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever" is found in the Bible in Hebrews 13:8, therefore Jeremiah 10 cearly instructs us not to be like the heathan/pagans, and instructs us not to take a tree from the forest, fasten it and adorn in with silver and gold which is a Christmas tree. Now ask yourselves if the Lord is the same as yesterday, today and always and this is confirmed in the new testament than the Lord is CLEARLY not okay with all of us erecting an idol of a Christmas tree in our homes once a year. Do not be like the heathan, Jesus bless you! 🙏
Jeremiah 10 is about those who cut down trees to make idols out of WOOD. The pagans would carve an idol and pure silver or gold over it. This has NOTHING to do with Christmas trees.
@armourofgod6310 You are ridiculously delusional, misguided and decieved if you do not think Jeremiah 10 is talking about a Christmas tree. It literally says, do not take an evergreen tree from the forest into your home, fasten it and decorate it with silver and gold. It says nothing abouts carving the wood or pouring the gold over it. It literally is talking about a tree that is decorated with silver and gold. It says do not be like the heathan in this practice.
@@armourofgod6310 You are literally describing a Christmas tree without even realizing. Is it made of wood? Is it adorned with gold and silver? Do any cultures use it as an image or representation of a god for worship or symbol of something spiritual? Ancient Egyptians, Romans, and Vikings all viewed evergreen trees and branches as symbols of eternal life. Romans celebrated Saturnalia, a festival honoring Saturn, by decorating their homes with evergreens during the winter solstice. While I agree with Mr. Huff on many things, and even admit he has a refined education, I believe his hermeneutics are missing the mark on this issue. There is a reason God appointed for us a set of Holy days / Feast Days. I mean, it's a "Holy Day". Just ask yourself if God would approve, and like the OP said, "God is the same yesterday, today and forever". Do I think everyone who celebrates Christmas is going to hell, of course not, I'm just saying it's ok to be fearful of being wrong on this issue. Better to err on the side of safety and bring blessings to your household rather than curses.
@@b151proof They were making gods out of the wood, what part of that do you not understand? A Christmas tree is not a god statue nor does any Christian worship it. Again, Jeremiah is talking about IDOLS. Idols in those times were covered in gold or silver.
15:30 He knows he just slam dunked his argument 😊 He's so humble you have to hunt to see anything like this from Wess. Good work sir, a true gentleman and scholar.
I agree that his debate deportment, composure, and grace are extremely admirable qualities, HOWEVER, highlighting a typo in a comment to straw man the person rather than the position is actually quite the opposite of humility. It's actually quite arrogant, petty, and not a great expression of Christ. That said, I'm not saying I would do any better...but just pointing out the difference between humility and false humility.
Not a straw man, by definition. At best a red herring. A poor grasp of language is a less relevant but perfectly legitimate target for criticism. It is a discrediting mistake.
Sol Invictus was set by the Roman Empire 12-25-274ad. The Light of the World is literally the Sun/Sol, Can’t really argue with that, especially since the Sun was worshipped by the Roman Empire? On the Winter Solstice the Sun hits its lowest point of the year, For 3 Days it remains there, before Beginning its Rise again for its Journey through June to its highest point on The Summer Equinox. The Sun “dies” for 3 days on the winter Sol-stice is around December 21st, and is then “Resurrected” or “Rises” again when the figs begin to ripen: Summer Equinox around June 21st. When a cataclysm occurs, these Allegories will be extremely important to understand the Correct way to be able to survive and keep correct Time. “Pagans” knew these things, they knew how to Use Stonehenge and all the Megaliths around the world, Serpent Mound in Ohio is another Work that Tells the times and seasons so accurately, that it is only off 2 degrees across 12,600 years…
Jeremiah’s prophecies are not at all ONLY exclusive to ancient immediate Israelites. With the right discernment it could apply to any generation if need be
I always loved Christmas. In my country, I didn't grow up with Christmas trees, giving gifts and all that stuff during Christmas. For us, Christmas is a time for reunion and fellowship with family and friends...
Here is an illustration of EXACTLY how God feels on the subject of; "Reclaiming Christmas." It's as if a man proposed to his fiancee. They set the date for the wedding, everything was going good... until one day, before the wedding, things take a turn for the worse. His fiancee became disloyal. She claims she has fallen in love with someone else, she leaves him and gives him back the ring. The man is devastated, and he holds on to the ring. Years later he meets someone else, he gets over his fears and proposes... WITH THE SAME RING, his girlfriend almost accepts the proposal.. but before she does she notices that the initials engraved on the ring are NOT HER'S and his.... She says to him, "What's this?" Pointing to the initials etched in the ring. He says "Oh my gosh! I'm SO sorry! I forgot I put that on there 😬!" She responds, "Are you proposing to me with your EX FIANCEE'S RING?? He says "Don't worry I'll get it fixed! I'll take out the engraving and put our initials instead!" How do you think that's going to turn out? How do you think she feels about this? I'll tell you.... The same way God feels about "repurposing" Christmas. Here are some scriptures to back up the lesson shown in this illustration (1 Kings 3:3 Deuteronomy 12:13-14)
Were you even listening to the video?? His WHOLE video/point, and he proved it pretty well I might add, is that Christmas was NOT “repurposed”. If it had been, then he would not have made the video, because all of the claims of Christmas being taken from Pagan holidays would be accurate. But they’re NOT…. as he proved to us. In the video you didn’t really listen to… 🙄.
1:28 I’m sorry but this one made me laugh! What sacrifices are being brought to a tree? I don’t remember anyone slaughtering an animal next to the tree in my family history!😂 I’ve also never seen anyone bow down to a tree before either just to get gifts. In my experience people bring the gifts, put them under the tree to store them until it is time to hand them out. And not once have I ever heard of anyone giving credit to the tree for giving them gifts. In that regard Santa clause would be a better argument. Am I missing some reference to this person’s comment? I want to know who’s family they were spending Christmas with to get that impression!😂
you sacrifice your time and money on gifts that you place under the tree . that’s besides the point tho. there is a generalized idea of what sacrifice looks like which is what you mentioned but we all make sacrifices of some kind to this day . we sacrifice time, money, relationships, resources for several different reasons. when you have this in mind, you can think: did the devil just stop influencing pagan worship and sacrifices or has he evolved it to make it look like something we would enjoy partaking in? I believe the latter bc how clever is it to trick people into doing something they don’t understand?? too easy. it happens all the time and it’s been going on for centuries.
Same! I have never done any of the things this person is describing. If bending down to reach something is considered bowing, then I guess I bow down to the washing machine about once a week. 😂 The sacrifices are my clothes. 😂 I also want to know where this person has spent Christmas to see people doing sacrifices, singing, and bowing to a tree. Maybe he's friends with druids?
The tradition of Christmas trees started in the 1200s AD in an area of France that had, by that point, been thoroughly Christian for the best part of 800 years. They were always fir trees and were originally used in morality plays which told the story of Creation and the Fall the week before the Feast of the Nativity (I.e. Christmas). They're supposed to represent the Tree AND the garden, which in Ezekiel is described as a mountain. Martin Luther is the first person we know of to put lights in a tree, although he used candles. The first recorded Christmas tree was in the garden of a hospital, which any medieval historian knows means that it was in a monastery.
If you've read the gospels Jesus repeatedly reprimands the Pharisees for paying too much attention to the letter of the law. He cares more about what's in your heart, as far as I'm aware nobody worships Christmas trees. Idolatry refers to making idols to worship. Even the part about making graven images refers to making statues to worship as the pagans made statues of their gods to worship. Having a crucifix for example is not idolatry
The first recorded Christmas celebration in the United States is believed to have taken place in 1539, when Hernando de Soto and around 600 Spanish explorers celebrated the holiday. However, the holiday was not celebrated widely in the United States until the mid-19th century. Here are some key events in the history of Christmas in the United States: 1659: Boston outlawed the celebration of Christmas. 1681: English governor Edmund Andros revoked the ban on Christmas observance in Boston. 1837: Louisiana became the first state to declare Christmas a state holiday. 1851: Mark Carr, a New York woodsman, is credited with opening the first Christmas tree lot in the United States. 1863: The German-American cartoonist Thomas Nast published the first printed image of Santa Claus in Harper's Weekly. 1870: President Ulysses Grant made Christmas a federal holiday. 1889: President Benjamin Harrison began the tradition of setting up a Christmas tree at the White House. A 5 second Google search would have saved you from sounding like a fool.
I have a question,: in New Testiment it says that Angel came to Mary in the 6th month to tell her she will be pregnant with Jesus from Holy Spirit. So if you calculate 9 month from that, that would be somewhere in March? How was calendar back then? Was it different then now?
The Bible does describe the timing of Christ's birth. We can calculate this from context clues given in the Bible. As we know from basic human biology, the average child is born about 9 months after they are conceived. Christ's conception is something announced in the Bible, in the Gospel according to Luke 1:26-38. In these verses we see only one timestamp given: 6 months into the pregnancy of St Elizabeth, the mother of St John the Baptist. The Theotokos is informed that she will bear the Son of God. Mary gives her consent to this, and then she conceives. So far we have two timestamps: 9 months after the Annunciation, and 6 months after the conception of St John the Baptist. However, we don't yet have an exact date. In the scriptures, though, we are told when St John the Baptist was conceived. The Gospel of Luke 1:5-22 describes the conception of Saint John the Baptist as happening "of the course of Abia" This is a critically important point because this describes the jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, which happened in late September of 1 BC. How does that simple phrase describe Yom Kippur? Well, the Scripture records the Course of Abia as the eighth course among the 24 priestly courses for the Old Covenant Jews. (Nehemiah 12:17). Each course served one week in the temple for twice each year. The course of Abia served during the 8th week and the 32nd week in the annual cycle. This means that the priestly course of Abia (the course of St Zacharias) was serving during the 2nd week of the Jewish month of Tishri - the week of the Day of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri. In the secular calendar, the Day of Atonement on 10th Tishri lands anywhere from September 22 to October 8. In 1BC, Hebrew Calendars have calculated it to be roughly equivalent to be about September 27th. www.cgsf.org/dbeattie/calendar/?roman=1bc St Zacharias and St Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist immediately after Zacharias served his course. This means that St John the Baptist would have been conceived somewhere around the end of September. This confirms the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Conception of St John the Baptist on September 23, and places his birth 9 months later at the end of June, confirming the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Nativity of Saint John the Baptist on June 24. So if St John the Baptist was conceived around September 23rd-27th, then Christ was conceived 6 months later in March (23rd-27th). That means Christ was born 9 months later in December, 23rd - 27th, which just so happens to contain December 25th.
No way!! Im Super blown away by your take away. I really like Christmas because I like to focus about the birth of Christ and what it meant to the world. Such a beautiful moment, so precious. @@trentitybrehm5105
Romans 1:22-25 KJV. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
In Luke the scripture says it was the 6th month "with her." As in the 6th month that Elizabeth was pregnant! We don't know the month as they did not use the Greco-Roman calendar that we have today it simply meant that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant and it has no reference to the time of year!! Read Luke
We know Jesus was born around September because Joseph was in his hometown, Bethlehem for the Roman census which is part of the historical record. Taxes were based on the census, still are.
Earliest evidence of the "Natalis Invicti" (birth of the Unconquered Sun) on Dec 25 comes from the 4th-century Philocalian Calendar (Chronograph of 354). Emperor Aurelian is credited with establishing the Sol Invictus festival in 274 CE. Historians like Stephen Hijmans (in "Sol: The Sun in the Art and Religions of Rome") and David Potter ("The Roman Empire at Bay") place the festival’s origins in this period. Reference works (e.g., Encyclopaedia Britannica) and academic texts (e.g., The Cambridge Companion to the Age of Constantine) also support this dating.
so earliest evidence for sol invictus is AD 274(?) & Sextus Julius Africanus was writing about Jesus' birth in December from at least before AD 240. (Africanus, Chronology 1, Vernance Grumel; Paul Lemerle, 1958)
I told my grandson who has heard lots of these "new facts" that Christians don't copy pagans, but that pagans copy Christians. There's no substance to the pagan issue anyway. If people believe that God is sending us to Hell because we celebrate Dec 25th for His Son's birth with decorations, gifts and good food with family and friends it's obvious they don't know Him. God decorates every sunrise & sunset and every season. He brings out His best just to delight us! He's also open to celebrating look at the feasts! This a movement to divide and discredit Christians! He also established the family. Of course He wants us to have fun times together!
Just like the Christmas is pagan crowd, you have presented a one sided unfair view of the subject. Julius Africanus never said Jesus was born on December 25th, he only speculated the conception. Jesus was crucified on Passover. If we were to go by that, we can speculate Him being conceived as late as April 25, which would place His birth in late January to early February. Also none of the earliest Church Fathers ever mention December 25th as Jesus birthday. Irenaeus of Lyons, Tertullian of Carthage, Justin Martyr, Cyprian of Carthage, Eusebius of Caeserea (The Father of Church history) all mention birth years, but never mention Jesus being born on December 25th. Clement of Alexandria mentions three believed birthdates in his time, they were in April, May, and November. Hippolytus of Rome mentions April 4 as being Jesus' birthday. Clement of Alexandria was a very educated man, and lived in Alexandria. One of the biggest cities, and areas where knowledge and ideas flowed a lot! Yet Clement never even mentioned December 25 being a possible date. The first document to mention December 25 as being Jesus' birthday is the Chronograph of 354 AD, here is the thing, it is also the first thing to mention Sol Invictus being on December 25. Before that we have no reliable written evidence of Jesus being born on December 25, other dates were suggested before. He also ignores things about John Chrysostom. People claim (InspiringPhilosophy specifically) that Julian the Apostate made Sol Invictus holiday on December 25 to get back at Christians. Heres the thing: Julian the Apostate, and John Chrysostom lived around the same time. John Chrysostom mentions Sol Invictus being celebrated on December 25 as well. He never mentions Julian changing Sol Invictus to December 25, weird don't you think that would be pointed out if Julian did that? It is because there is no evidence of Julian the Apostate, and Aurelius ever adopting dates from the Christians. He also ignores the fact that John Chrysostom says that Christmas was a new celebration in Antioch, and was just introduced in the past 10 years. All in all this video has some truths, but seems to be as (If not more) inconsistant than the people who claim Christmas is completely pagan... Christmas is really just a secular holiday at this point that never had anything to do with Jesus in the beginning. It is never mentioned in the Bible either. Personally I would celebrate the winter holiday that Jesus Himself celebrated, which is Hanukkah! Have a blessed day!
With any holiday we celebrate to honor YHVH and proclaim Yeshua we have to collectively be able to explain what the elements used mean in that celebration. Feasts and festivals in the Torah provide a pattern . “Christian” holidays need that blueprint
He debunked himself!!! He tells how Christians made the Christmas Tree an Idol. Even if they associated it with the tree of life. It’s still an IDOL WES!. I won’t go into your scholarship or lack there of concerning pagans stealing Christmas traditions. Does he even realize Jeremiah could be used to prove you shouldn’t Idolize the CROSS?
I actually did not know who Wess was until I seen him on the Joe Rogan podcast. The debate with Billy Carson was awesome ! 👏 I have now subscribed to his channel!
Watched some of your content and I like it. May I ask what denomination you are part of? Is it Calvinistic/ reformed? Won’t make a huge difference to me since I watch all kinds of Christian content but I am always interested in the theological views of the Bible I subscribe to. I watch quite a few calvinists despite me not being a Calvinist. God bless!
Watch this one about Christmas. Wes has some good points, however he is lacking so much concerning the origins of this holiday. ua-cam.com/video/BxDOpPoBbeg/v-deo.html
Hi Wes, I just happened to fall on one of your videos a few weeks ago, and I am grateful I have. I have learned a lot from you. Is there a way where you can send me the chart that's in the beginning of this video?
Thank you for your insight all the time.The birth of Jesus is said by someone the first day of Sukkot somewhere around bc 4? WHat do you think of this?
Can you list references that we may view that the pagans in fact copied off the Christian’s as you stated? There are so many videos with facts of why we should not follow man made traditions. We need dates to prove other wise isn’t it hear say. How can one truly know without dates, seems like a lot of pictures.
Amen! Just ask the Lord to have the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you on how The Lord views this time of year, and He shall reveal the scriptures which will help you to see, because the Lord promised that His Holy Spirit will teach us, and that we need NO man to do so: 1 John 2:27. I loved Christmas, and the Lord started to reveal to me the truth from Jeremiah 10, regarding the "Tree". Then through the years, I came to realize that my emotional memories, and reactions to the colors, the food, the decoration, the music, triggered my draw to it! Once seeing this I just asked the Lord, I see the struggle, and please cause me to be separated from it so that YOU are Glorified in Truth and Righteousness. He did and now I am more set free from the "spirit" that is behind this season, and I am joyful for it, because it pleases Him, and He desires to remove ALL things that do not represent Him within our human fleshly hearts. Lord bless you!
The traditions of giving gifts to each other rather than to the poor. Inviting each other ( who can well afford to reciprocate) to lavish feasts rather than inviting those or bringing food to those who would otherwise be going hungry are the points that I find most discordant.
@Wes Huff No early Christians were decorating Christmas Trees and placing presents underneath them. You mentioned at 8th century “Saint” cutting down a tree and dedicating it to Christ where is that biblical? This man is German and this action has nothing to do with Semitic Customs. If the custom of Christmas Is not biblical it’s pagan.
The BEST way to celebrate Yeshua (Jesus) is to study the Word and keep His commandments.
Explain ? 😅
Amen 🙏🏼
John 14:15 NKJV
[15] “If you love Me, keep My commandments.
That’s true but does it make someone who is a believer wrong to celebrate even more on Dec 25th ?
@@agamingchristianwifeYeah it does they where celebrating baal birthday on 12/25 before Jesus even existed
Eze 8:14 - Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz
Tammuz was the sun God baal.
Yeah it does they where celebrating baal birthday on 12/25 before Jesus even existed
Eze 8:14 - Then he brought me to the door of the gate of the LORD'S house which was toward the north; and, behold, there sat women weeping for Tammuz
Tammuz was the sun God baal.
How many came to this channel only after Wes Huff’s demolition of Billy Carson? 😂
Yup, I hope Wes' channel takes off.
Me!!
Yep 😂 absolutely appreciated it and subscribed to show my support. Keep it up, spread the truth!
Me
Totally lol 😂
As someone who no longer Celebrates Christmas, Easter, Halloween, etc. I have the utmost respect for this guy and the way he presents an argument. Clear, educated, and without judgement. I will continue not to partake because I believe the over commercialization of the holiday and materialistic stress that everyone puts on themselves to make everything perfect for a day we are not even instructed to celebrate is enough without the pagan aspect to keep me from it. Not to mention Christmas in most peoples homes isn't about Jesus. He may get an honerable mention and possibly even a 5 minute nativity story time but then its right back into the materialism. I dont judge those who do, never have. I dont belive its salvation dependent but I feel convicted to not take part in it so I wont. Love your channel, excellent advocate for our savior! God bless.
To the one whom it is sin, let it be sin! I’m a Christmas enjoyer but I respect your demeanor and resolve! It’s good to know we don’t have to divide over these things!
❤ God bless you.
If you ever choose to celebrate it, you and your household celebrate for the right reasons and not for the secular ones. God bless you and I commend your convictions
for a day we are not even instructed to celebrate
Sounds like you didn't want to celebrate it in the first place and wasn't going to. No matter how many arguments were presented to you. You can personally divorce the holidays from all the cultural influence placed upon them and still celebrate them
Finally, a smart well studied person sticking up for Christianity. Thank you for everything you do.
Except he is Protestant.
Just another schismatic with who professes priestless Christianity.
Protestants = ignoring the teaching of Jesus.
Are you saying that christmas represents Christianity? Oh my goodness, I sure hope you’re not saying that!
@@maxineredI think he’s saying Christians are free to celebrate Christmas
@@wendymtzc who said Christians aren’t free to celebrate Christmas? He literally said “sticking up for Christianity”.
@@maxineredyou didn’t like my thoughtful response to your snarky comment 🤔
Billy Carson referred me to this channel 🥹😅
New excited subscriber !!
😂😂😂 Billy Carson is a great reference.
Me too. 😂
Same! 😂
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Same! I subscribed right away. So happy someone is calling out Billy's lies. He has misled way too many from the truth of God's bible. I pray this converts more people to our creator God's true word in the bible and that salvation is through Christ Jesus🙏🏾❤🙏🏾
Billy Carson did us a huge favor! I had no idea you existed, but now I’m hooked on watching all your videos. Thanks a million
Do not follow this.. Christmas is not of God
@@teacwarren6849 where is it written in the scripture?
@@teacwarren6849so tired of Hebrew roots misinformation. He’s right btw.
@@teacwarren6849 theyre not going to miss out on heaven for wearing a red hat on the 25th.
Who is this Billy Carson everyone is mentioning
The only problem i see with Christmas celebration’s is that people obsess over Santa and it becomes about him and people are ok with lying to their kids about him
You’re not a Christian. Your problems have only begun.
Not most Christians, though.
@@annep.1905most of the churches where I live hold Xmas events and will have a “santas grotto”
I don't. I don't tell my child about Santa or lie to her. No such thing as Santa that that's an open door for demons in my opinion and breaking of trust. There's only God no weird mystical demon
@@xxsupastarxxwell that's super sad but lots of us do not lie to our children or tell them there's something like that because that can be really dangerous
"We were never commanded to celebrate Christmas, so we shouldn't do it."
Angels, "Yeah, we came en masse to the shepherds to announce Christ's birth with the intention that they would NOT celebrate it. And we don't know what those wisemen were thinking. Or Simeon. Or Anna. I mean, it's not like God coming down in human form to save the world from sin is something to celebrate."
In September. Just sayin'.
@@AlSwearengen4nah
@@AlSwearengen4whenever.
LOL Christ was not born in December. December 25th is Nimrod's birthday.
Question: Does the Bible command us to celebrate His resurrection? Do you celebrate the resurrection of Jesus?
Billy sent me! God bless Wes and everyone here. Merry Christmas, ya'll.
Merry Christmas ❤😊
Merry Christmas from Chilliwack BC Canada ! ☝️✝️🙏
😂 Billy still punching air since that 😂
Me but I'm about to leave because Christmas is following of Satan
@@teedeadaz2653did you watch the video. You clearly were happy for him to debunk all the myths Billy believes, but the question is, what about myths that might have been taught to believe about the links between Christmas and Paganism. Are we as ready and happy to listen to that teaching as well.
I bow down to the sink to get toilet paper out of the cabinet.
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In danger of the fires of hell I think 🤔
Ah the other porcelain God!
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I have been battling with this for years! It’s a reflection time. I don’t worship the tree or any ornaments. Instead, I read the New Testament and reflect on Jesus Christ teachings. Blessings to all at this time. ❤
no more battling, Merry Christmas!
@@L82Love
Jesus taught Torah and his teachings were all Torah based. He was the living embodiment of Torah. The Torah points to the Messiah over and over. To understand Messiah, you must understand Torah. No reason to just read the "New Testament". There is no new and old testament. It's all one big continuous book.
And that's ALL that matters. Keep following Christ and him alone. If your Christmas is about Christ then that's all that matters.
Corrinthians 16:14
Let all that you do be done in Love.
Amen. God knows our hearts. He knows what we believe and have faith in and love. It is not an in adamant object, like a tree. We know we do not worship the tree, ornaments, presents or anything else of the like. Those who like to judge others for decorating a tree, especially with ornaments like Jesus, our family, and other funny things that make us laugh or happy, is simply absurd and not true. But, people will always judge others. I leave the judging to God and will continue to pray to The Father, The Son and The Holy Spirit every day. God Bless you all.
This video - being 3 years old - is so extremely telling of the resilience and confidence of Mr. Huff, in how he deals with criticism. His response is a stark contrast to how Mr. Carson acted after their debate. You are a class act, Wes!
Needless to say, I am part of the 100k community who flocked to your channel after your debate with Billy Carson. I had no idea who either of you were until a post by Mike Winger pointed me to the debate, and the rest is history... I am now learning from you. Thank you, from Brazil
Me 100,001k.
i love that Nerd. Mike; i didn't know who billy or wes were either.
This. But I think I saw Nate post before Mike. Could be wrong though
Oh no. It was whatdoyoumeme that i saw first.
Ditto, I too am a Wingaling who heard about the Carson v. Huff debate.
@@craigbauman3486 Wingaling 😅😅
I am not here to tell anyone else what to do. I have plenty of trouble keeping myself inline. I do what Israel did, because that is what my savior did. I can not go wrong with that. I celebrate the Holy days in my Bible! Nothing added and nothing taken out. We can discuss what is christian all we want, but God is returning for Israel. Natural branches and those who are grafted in.
Christ is returning for ALL that are His, NOT just Israel. The church is NOT Israel
Amen!!!
"this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 11:24-25 KJV
B"H !
@@nmartini22The Church are the People of Messiah Jesus and we are all Israel.. all believers are a people unto Christ Jesus, so thus we are Children of Israel 🕎
For Christmas Eve this year, our church had a service that so many people attended that normally aren't there on Sundays. The pastor gave a solid Gospel message. As far as I'm concerned, if Christmas brings people (that don't normally attend unfortunately) to church at least once a year to hear/celebrate about the Good News, it's the best holiday of them all.
Amen! 🤘
You are excited that Christmas brought a bunch of strangers into a meeting organized by cult leaders who want to implement mind-control and swindle them out of their money based on a long-disproven fraudulent Messiah figure? I wouldn't be so happy if I was you.
Yes let's celebrate them coming for one day while they live like devil's for the other 364 days of the year 🤔
@@plyboard9 that hand signal is satanic, look it up with all due respect
I agree! ☝️
i was born and raised a JW. in my early 30s i actually read the bible and came to the conclusion i had to leave religion, but i never left left GOD, Jesus. ive never celebrated Xmas, due to being a JW and used to think God hated people for doing so. since then, i realized God reads the heart and we as christians cannot say who is saved or not as we cannot read hearts. i still do not celebrate Xmas simply cause Jesus said not to follow traditions of men, and he surely did not say to celebrate his birth, BUT he DID tell us to never forget his Death, which is something he told us to keep doing (passover). thank you for this video, i learned a lot, but i do not celebrate it, but i do not condemn anyone who does. its all about love and forgiveness, none of us are perfect and continue to sin.
@@indo42O 🙌🏾🙌🏾👏🏾👏🏾
it’s actually not even “Keep doing…”
“Do this in remembrance of me” is a line from the Bible that appears in Luke 22:19-20.
God bless you.
I love how you read the comments verbatim. lol, that gave me a good laugh. lol keep up the great work, Wes! Just subscribed after viewing the career ending Billy debate.
Billy brought me here. Please keep up what youre doing, you have some amazing content!!
So encouraging. Thanks for sharing. 😊 This is further confirmation of what the Lord began to teach me last winter. I was raised in a Christian family where we celebrated Christmas each year in the traditional Christian way. My parents were born again and I was not yet at the time. In my later teens/early 20s I began to follow the pagan ways of Wicca and I celebrated Yule. I never celebrated Saturnalia. There are many branches of Paganism. The Lord saved me at the age of 26 2004 and as a babe in Christ I began to learn about the so called paganism of Christmas. I wasn't yet mature or strong enough to handle what I was learning about it and my conscience was still weak and growing but over time the Lord began to liberate me and teach me about the conscience through scriptures such.as the one you mentioned in Colossians. Ultimately we as Christians are commanded and surely desire to worship our Lord and Saviour every single day including on days such as Christmas day. His birth, death and resurrection are significant every day of our lives so yes I will celebrate my Lord and Saviour every day including on Christmas day and use it as a spring board for the gospel to share Christ with my neighbours and friends that by the means of His grace and mercy the Lord may save some.
Very well said. “I will continue to celebrate my Lord and Savior including on Christmas Day.”
@@tanyabrown791 Have a very blessed Christmas in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
thank you for this
Will you have a tree? Lights? Presents? Will you lie about Santa? We cannot bring pagan idols into worship of the Father. How is this being different?
@@Firmamentisdome is it pagan worship if the traditions are in honor and reverence of God? I still disagree with Santa but if you make the entire celebration symbolism for the birth of Jesus is that still considered pagan in your eyes? Honestly asking. Me and my family basically don't celebrate Christmas for this reason but I would like to create God-centered traditions for my family during the holidays
So proud of you as a Christian brother after your surgical debate against Billy Carson. I haven't heard of either of y'all before today but I've got to give you some major props for being a soldier for our Lord and defending Christianity.
It’s good to see a healthy, swole Christian representing us. I appreciate your hard work and diligent study all these years to clarify topics that most of us don’t have time or opportunity to research.
Gay
Yup cuz that's what Christ said if you're gonna follow him it's better if you're swole. 😑
Swole.....cmon guy lol
Swole 😂
Nah you guys are weird as hell "go forth and multiply" "he's healthy and swole" cattle vibes fr.
Man, it's frustrating how Wes is presenting sound and logical arguments based on actual facts an people in the comments are just repeating the same old superstitions.
Good job being the voice of reason Wes.
Except nothing he said was "the messiah did it and kept it so you should." Christians have their own man made religion that has no routes in the messiah. So strange
@@anniejohnxSad but true for the majority. Jumping through hoops in order to partake of the table of God and the table of demons shows a love of tradition more than a love of truth. Watching people choose to celebrate Christmas knowing full-well where it stems from in opposition to pure worship of YHWH as He commands is quite sad to watch.
@@anniejohnx
You must really despise Paul.
They aren't sound arguments, they are biased cherry-picking which is the wheelhouse of every Christian "scholar" who is nothing more than an apologist.
@@chronic_daydreamer You don't see the problem with this logic? "If Jesus didn't explicitly say we should do this, then it's a sin"
Jesus didn't say a lot of things. He didn't say you should celebrate your birthday and be specially thankful for life then, he didn't say we should brush our teeth every morning. Didn't say we should have a sunday service and then weekday services... These are TRADITIONS we chose. And what matters is that the purpose and heart of the traditions glorify God.
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(Brushing your teeth keeps you clean -- Cleanliness, Attending Sunday and weekday services -- fellowshipping with the brethren, Celebrating your birthday every year - specially giving thanks to God for life, Celebrating christmas -- specially appreciating God's love and decision to die for sinners.)
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I Was an ex-Muslim who understood the Islamic framework from an infant as my dad was an imam until I encountered Yeshua a few years ago and went in to understudy history, philosophy, and sacred theology. To be sharing some of the insights I have learned on my channel.
It will be nice having you on my channel.
Shalom, Shalom family
Hello, l am so happy that you encountered Yeshua Jesus, and were saved! Praise the Lord.❤️🔥🙏✝️
I too encountered Him and was saved out of Mormonism and childhood sexual abuse. He is everything to me. He healed my soul and my mind.
Blessings to you and yours in Jesus most Holy name.🙏❤️🔥✝️
No need for the fake story. Are you that insecure in your faith that you have to lie?
@@MAT-wn5fr You are full of presumption. Who are you to say how GOD may choose to move.
How do you know that they're lying?
Can you tell us how you met Yashua?
Wow!!! I cannot believe I’ve never heard about you Until Joe Rogan interview and Im not an actually Rogan’s fan but everybody was talking so much about you and Carlson and Your work and knowledge that immediately went to watch your work and it was mind blowing
Thank you for respecting those of us who feel uncomfortable with the current Christmas activities. I don't reject others for observing it. It's nice to receive the same consideration and treatment.
I celebrate Christmas, but that is your right to celebrate our Heavenly Father in the way you see fit. Just at least say Merry Christmas if someone says it to you. Your INTENT will shield you, because he ALWAYS KNOWS what you really mean.
@@WhiskerBiscuit1 It's actually not. The Father told us in the Bible what pleases Him and what does not. You engaging in a blasphemous celebration of the anti-christ, the false light, which is really what christmas is, is your choice to do - but don't delude yourself or others into thinking it is somehow honoring Jesus Christ.
@@alphaforce6998Your tone speaks volumes. There-in lies the problem.
@@alphaforce6998 lifting up Christ to a fallen world on Dec 25 is blasphemous? How so? Do you say the same about celebrating His resurrection? Where is your grace and love that we were also commanded to show? Teach why you think the way you do instead of condemning people you know nothing about. God sees that too. Grace, love, humility, peace... these are all part of our walk. We don't judge others on what days they celebrate outside of God's weekly holy Sabbath. That's also scripture.
If we celebrate Christmas as the birth of Christ only (no one knows the exact date), it doesn't go against God and His holy Word. The entire bible shows us to continually praise and worship Him. Dec 25 is no different. Dec 25 helps bring people TO Christ. Dec 25 brings much needed assistance to the least of us around the globe. It's a season of love, grace, giving, and most of all peace.
Keeping Christmas or not is not a salvation issue, it's a secondary issue so I think brother in Christ Wes is right v
Please explain to me the fact that the shepherds were in the fields with their sheep. The shepherds do not herd their sheep in fields in the winter months because of lack of grazing.
He brings it up at 7:35, but doesn't have much to say about it.
I think you miss the point. No one believes Jesus was born on Dec. 25. It was a simple calculation to pick a day to celebrate His birth. What is wrong with that?
Sure correlation doesn’t equal causation, however it’s clear that Christmas is not solely celebrated around Jesus and is becoming less and less about Jesus each year because of commercialization. People even stopped saying Merry Christmas and started saying Happy Holidays instead. Something just doesn’t sit right with me fallowing this celebration given the direction that it’s going.
With the way that our nation is going, obviously unbelievers and atheists are not celebrating Jesus and completely miss the point. That shouldn't be a surprise at ALL, false churches in general are going in the same direction. But that doesn't mean that all christians are going down that path, nor does it mean that there are people who need to stop celebrating it because of what atheists/ANYONE outside the kingdom of God are doing, NOR does it mean that you are loved by God any less or any more AS a believer if you choose to celebrate Christ's birth on December 25 or not. The Scriptures do not condemn you for celebrating Christ's birth on 12/25, nor does it condemn you for not celebrating it. If you don't want to celebrate His birth that's you, but cannot be pushed on every Christian. That's legalism.
@@Art_Odyssey93 so do you still go to church and read the Bible despite people not doing that anymore? What sense does that make? I mean to each their own, but don't throw the baby out with the bathwater 😂
Having been on both sides of this issue, I have earned the right to judge all of you!
Just kidding. I was raised early in the Swiss/German tradition of Christmas in Switzerland when I lived there as a very young boy and loved it. Later, when we returned to the US and I grew up with a family of my own, I became convinced that it was a coopted celebration of pagan origins. To me, this was a personal conviction of little actual consequence to my life in Christ and certainly not an issue over which to break fellowship. Now I've come back to a cultural acceptance of it as a celebration, but not a matter of "doctrine either way.
i''m a recent subscriber (Billy Carson debate) and find your work full of "verisimilitude". Thank you for bringing more true scholarship to such things!
Even though the evidence shows otherwise?
The Solar Feast of Natalis Invicti
The Catholic Encyclopedia explains that the solar feast of Natalis Invicti, also known as the “Birthday of the Unconquered Sun,” was a ancient Roman festival celebrated on December 25th. This festival was dedicated to the sun god Sol Invictus, and it marked the winter solstice, the shortest day of the year.
History of Natalis Invicti: The festival of Natalis Invicti was introduced in the 3rd century AD by the Roman Emperor Aurelian, who wanted to promote the worship of Sol Invictus as a unifying force for the Roman Empire. The festival was celebrated with rituals, sacrifices, and gift-giving, and it was seen as a time of renewal and rebirth.
Connection to Christmas: The Catholic Encyclopedia notes that the early Christian church chose December 25th as the date for Christmas, which coincided with the existing festival of Natalis Invicti. This was likely done to co-opt the existing pagan festival and to make it easier for pagans to convert to Christianity.
Influence on Christmas Traditions: The festival of Natalis Invicti had a significant influence on the development of Christmas traditions. Many of the customs and rituals associated with Christmas, such as the use of evergreen trees, holly, and mistletoe, have their roots in ancient pagan festivals like Natalis Invicti.
Solar Imagery in Christian Art: The solar imagery associated with Natalis Invicti also found its way into Christian art and symbolism. For example, the sun is often depicted as a symbol of Christ, and the use of solar imagery in Christian art and architecture is a testament to the enduring influence of ancient pagan festivals like Natalis Invicti.
Key Dates
274 AD: The Roman Emperor Aurelian introduces the festival of Natalis Invicti on December 25th.
336 AD: The early Christian church chooses December 25th as the date for Christmas, coinciding with the existing festival of Natalis Invicti.
4th century AD: The festival of Natalis Invicti is gradually replaced by Christmas, but many of its customs and rituals are incorporated into the new holiday
We need this man's channel to take off!! Do a collaboration with Mike Winger!
Right!
YES!
Oh God no
Not really he’s trying to tell people this lie about Christmas not being pagan even though it’s not even a Christian doctrine but one taken from pagan cultures. Jesus was born during the spring to summer time and he was 😢not born on dec 25 Mitra was
@@Ezekiel365Days Guess how much evidence there is that Mithra was born on December 25? ZERO. Do a bit of research.
While correlation is not causation, tradition is not justification in the same sense. It does not follow that because one can find a practice amongst Christians, that it is biblically prescribed or has its origins in such. Now Paul speaks of freedoms regarding culturally celebrated events by way of saying do not let someone judge you regarding these things (Col 2:16). Without biblical prescription I would argue that people are free to celebrate but it ought not have its formal weight that the church lays upon it. The prescription is communion and to proclaim Christ until He comes.
Furthermore, it says something of the Christian culture that the greatest church attendance happens on Easter and Christmas. This is not an argument against these celebrations but it has the appearance that Jesus's birth and death/resurrection are the most significant moments of His incarnation. It is no surprise that the western church is struggling in its holiness when it seems to neglect Christ for everything in between his birth and resurrection and every subsequent day. Again, Paul says we will be saved by his life (Romans 5:10).
It is for these reasons that I will hold some reservations toward Christmas in particular and seek to celebrate each day in thanksgiving and worship and service, imperfectly so. The temptation to be satisfied with elevating one day over many others seems indicative of the 6 day secular life and 1 day sacred life phenomenon in the west and in the U.S. in particular.
well said bro
Id really appreciate feed back on why you never mentioned Constantine. He ruled at the time when it was celebrated right? It was a pagan government before and he was a lost man that wanted to be looked at righteously as to why he combined the two different beliefs to appease the people and be exalted. Please tell me where I am off. Truly want to know how to engage with the specifics.
Why would he mention anything that goes against his argument? If he were to really put any thought into his argument, we would have come to the truth, and he does not want that, because the truth is not appealing to him. He would rather have his ears tickled and do the same to others.
Exactly my thought. You cannot talk about this without mentioning Constantine. It is easy to pick and choose situations to support your premise.Lots of research and maybe not enough understanding.
@@Aviole I feel the same way too about him.
That’s one thing I seem to have a problem with. When ppl decide to only talk about the specifics that benefit their argument, if he was to do a thorough research he would bring up Constantine and debunk anything about him in this argument. Then I could take it a little bit more seriously, not that I would have a change of mind that easily but still.
After all the myths you heard about Constantine, which has now been busted,
you still don't stop with the calumny, keep giving unbelievers the 🔪 they will use against you .
Christmas is related to the hannukah because of the birth of the new temple (incarnation aka God stepping into the Human flesh) .
And it's celebrated by the lighting of candles which commence four 4 weeks before Christmas, but how will you know
You are not Catholic or Orthodox.
Just finding out about you after your Joe Rogan interview and had to search out your channel. I am so thankful for your explanations. I appreciate all your years of dedicated research. I have been so disappointed by many churches that i just stopped going. My desire for Gods truth and the word of Jesus remains strong but admittedly has become lost in the shuffle. Thank you for being you and reaching out to so many of us who probably feel the same way. May God continue to bless you! 🙏♥️
It’s really sad how “un” and misinformed so many people are who claim to be Christians, and how unkind and ungracious they can be. A lot of that is due to the poor quality of teaching in the church for so long. Thank God he’s raising people like you up, Wes!
God did not raised people like him to teach about the birth of Christ. Where did God said to celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ?
But God raised people like the apostles to teach of sin and repentance! Jesus commanded us not to celebrate his birth but commanded us believers to remember the night before his betrayal!
Christian’s were only recently and they were not believers of Christ. Only when they converted to Christ they continued their practices which now involved Christ.
This is a gospel apostle Paul warned us! Christmas is not of God. As Paul said, be a man or an angel coming with a different gospel listen not to it!
Be that it is not another gospel but one! One gospel man have corrupted and perverted.
God told his people in the Old Testament, do not take a tree and decorate it with gold and silver for it is a sin! God left this command thousand of years ago! Be careful! Jesus gave no importance to his birth and commanded it not to be celebrated.
@@Fqlan You're literally doing what Paul cautioned against
Col.2.16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
@@Fqlan what verses state this?
@@jeremykiel6709 Jermiah Chap 10
@@jeremykiel6709 which verses? Paul’s or the Christmas, or both?
The coincidence that the Birth of Christ matches exactly the time where the day starts to become bigger than the night after the winter solstice is suspicious. In Bulgaria we also celebrate this day of the new born sun as Млада Бога - Young God and it starts from December 22nd till December 24th which is Christmas Eve. December 21st - the day of the winter solstice we call Еднажден - The Zero Day or Тhe one day in literal translation, which solve the problem with the accuracy of the calendar because it is not included. Our Bulgarian Orthodox Church has changed Еднажден to Игнажден - Saint Ignatius of Antioch`s day which if you look closer is similar in Cyrillic alphabet. You can check our Old Bulgarian Calendar which is considered the most accurate in the world and approved by UNESCO and it has these holidays in it which are astronomical holidays and they match exactly the Christian holidays. What is your opinion about that?
@WesHuff Please answer the above commenters question if you're able. I'm very interested in your answer as I have the same exact question and concern. Thanks in advance for all your hard work. God bless. - A brother in Christ
Me too! As a Sister in Christ, I want to know his answer. 🙌❤️🙏💯@@SecondLifeAround
Bulgaria has many truths…thank you for showing it…
The VAST majority of pagan deities have ties to the winter solstice. This is the birthday of the unconquered sun: Sol Invictus.
@@nattybumppo4151Exactly but the question is why is Jesus Christ birthday considered to be in these days too.
I am so happy that God is using a young man like Wes to defend the Gospel of Christ. Wes is so knowledgeable and full of wisdom! I can’t get enough of him! God bless you Wes and keep doing what you do by making the devil a liar!!
That's called Satan and Paul
If you belive in this false prophet so much why don't you ask him to do a real service like proving the historical truth of Jesus. He can't. Which is why him and all apologetics are trained solely in disproving only what threatens their reality. Stop worshiping these men and a book. I pray you come to know God.
Why doesn't your god use his awesome power to make his religion make sense on any level? Or simply perform one single communication or miracle to mankind which would instantly convert every person on the planet? I think that might be a better use of his abilities then spending them on a well-spoken young guy to be your flavor-of-the-week apologist before the truth rapidly ends his career like it has for hundreds of others.
Timely to get recommended this one. Merry Christmas, Wes!
Name one birthday celebrated by any believer in the Bible.
Exactlyyyyyyy!
Conversely… if there was ONLY ONE birthday we’d celebrate… WHOSE would it be? Thanks for coming.
@@OfficialChikezieThat’s not a good rebuttal of not celebrating the birthday of Christ. Don’t follow the traditions of men, follow Christ. He didn’t specify His birthday, let alone told us to celebrate it.
@@richcrude2674 Col.2.16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
You're fleshly! No different from the judaisers
Are you saying the many miracles Jesus performed that didn't make it to the Bible aren't valid because they aren't in the Bible? That the celebrations/get togethers/events not named in the Bible are unimportant?
The early church fathers and Apostles wrote the books of the bible as teaching aids for early Christians. The most important stuff revealed by the Holy Spirit got put in there. That doesn't mean that things that didn't make it in were unimportant, it just means the most important stuff was put in. Very shallow argument implying birthdays shouldn't be celebrated because the Bible doesn't address birthday parties....
They don't decorate a scarecrow with silver and gold. Christmas is simply traditional and symbolic with pagan parallels. Follow your convictions people.
It sounds like you commented without watching the video.
He it’s like a scarecrow he never said it’s a scarecrow
There is a very good case for the birth of the messiah being during the autumn festival of tabernacles. And this aligns with scripture and prophetic timelines very well.
Oh? Sounds interesting. Where did you see it?
"this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me."
1 Cor 11:24-25 KJV
Great point ☝🏿
His name will be Emmanuel
Which means God with us.
There's no Tabernacle or Temple now - we are the Temple He came to dwell within.
Makes complete Biblical sense in fulfilling the Judaism (Old Testament) coming of the Messiah - The King of the Jews.
The Hebrew calendar for the Israelites was established by YAH himself - in Exodus 23.
We are told to remember His death until He returns in the Lords Supper -
1 Corinthians 11:23-26
There are NO Christians in the Old Testament NOT ONE.
The Word Christian only appears twice in the NT and it was given to them that followed The Way by non believers.
I've been watching this guy for a few years - he's very good on 98% of his topics but unfortunately in this one he's very biased by his beliefs.
Mary and Joseph were in Jerusalem for a censor, that the Romans declared and knew the 3 occasions a year that all would travel to Jerusalem.
He is the Lamb of God - sent to die on the Cross, as prophesied in Isaiah,(amd many others) to take away the SIN of the world.
All accommodation was booked for the feast - feast of Tabernacles or Sukkot in Hebrew.
Being the perfect, unblemished Lamb of God he would have been born when the lambs were.
Last but not least - they altered our calendar by 3 months from Biblical times ... the beginning of the year used to be what we now call 1 April - hence April fools.
Hebrews 5 and 6 says that we need to return to the Oracles of God...
To do this in this day and age, we need the Holy Ghost because man teaching man with the knowledge and understanding or being lead by the Spirit is just deception.
* census not a censor
I'm no theologian but I studied under one who speaks fluent Hebrew for a year - now trying to teach myself Greek to understand the scriptures better.
I don't care what this guy says - Scholar be he may - Christmas of today's world is completely pagan.
And no where are we told to continue to celebrate HIS birth year after year - If we believe the Gospel and know He's where he belongs in the heavenly places seated at the right hand of the Father.
He told HIS 12 Apostles at the Last Supper to continue to proclaim the Lords death - because without HIS sacrifice we are not covered by his blood - which is of the NEW COVENANT
Hebrews 9:15
Thank you for sharing the references, I checked the infographic on your website, very useful!
🤍📯🕒⏳⌛; KJVB 2 Timothy 4: 3,4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from THE TRUTH, and shall be turned unto fables .
Exactly doctrine, many do not understand the difference between a doctrine and a tradition 🙄
amen!
@@wendymtzcHis doctrine for celebrating the Christmas tradition is wrong. Research it. It is indeed a pagan holiday no matter how he spins it.
Exactly !!! This dude is a false prophet
That part!!
Thank you for tackling this.
Great video. When I grow up I want to be like Wesley Huff 🙌
It is refreshing to see that even Wes with all his high discernment gets ridiculous aggression. Love your channel Wes thanks for all you share!
Wes, I appreciate the level of grace and compassion that you apply to your critics. Keep up the great work!🙏🏽
I want to hear an apologist attempt to divorce the similarities between Christmas and Yule specifically
Similarities are irrelevant if there’s no direct causation.
Pagans often used wine in worship. That is a similarity to the divine service of Christian’s. That does. Not mean paganism crept in
Yule began practising in the 13 centrury long after the celebration of Christmas and it is more like being stolen stolen from Christmas like other IP has great video about it
Better yet Saturnalia
Pagans laugh at mainstream Christianity since mainstream Christianity loves paganism.
@@RoziRoz25 watch the video lol
I love your videos brother! Merry Christmas and God Bless! :)
Merry Christmas ❤
Thank you brother. So refreshing to listen to you. We benefit from your hard work and research.
WONDERFUL explanation...Keep up the good work you're doing, Brother. Merry Christ-mas ♱ 🎄
Thanks for this. I always felt uneasy when people would accost me over the innocent celebration of the birth of Christ,
but had no answer besides not being interested in being drawn into conflict over it.
Also, Merry Christmas!
Christ wasn’t born on Christmas….read your scripture……his birth was actually closer to his resurrection. Both were in the spring.
@@Dudeterrariumjust watch the video dude
I've never heard of you before, just subscribed. I hope the rest of your content is even half this good. God bless you. :)
Well researched, very professionally presented. Great video.
Don't let anyone with a sweet tongue and handsome face lure you to the wrong thing. Read for yourselves. Study the Yule celebration and traditions. Everything spoken here is very well-spoken opinion. READ!!!! Psalms 119 is a good read.
Ecclesiastes 7:25, Jeremiah 29:13, and Psalms 119:2 all tell us seek YHVH with our whole heart. So please seek understanding.
My dear brother Wes, thanks again for your passion and devotion to sharing The Truth. We appreciate you and we look forward to have you again at our church sometime soon.
Thank you pastor Eddie! Always encouraged by you. I’ve been praying for your church, merry Christmas!
@@WesHuffYeshua didn't celebrate his own birthday and neither did his apostles. And since December 25th is inaccurate, is that worshipping in Spirit and in TRUTH?
@@EdenSophia118 We don't celebrate it because we think Jesus was ACTUALLY born on Dec 25th years ago. We celebrate it to specially share love and appreciate Jesus' sacrifice. Doesn't matter if it is done on Dec 25th or Jan 30th.
Please, leave this notion out of your mind. Nobody knows the exact day He was born. Since we don't have an option for Jesember 38th, then we'll have to settle for December 25th (Imagine it was an arbitrary selection, again, doesn't matter what day or month).
@Wes Huff You should look further back than the dates you mentioned. The date of December 25th is not what’s important is the Winter Solstice which is key to the pagan origins of the “Holiday”
I'm sure he knows, and he intentionally did not.
I'm stuck at where you said trees came from Thor worship; but it's not Pagan origin.
He didn't say that. He said sources say that. Sm
It is pagan worship
@@Tobyyy369 still the Martin Luther part kept me thinking, but Santa Claus is definitely the one that has no place in Christmas, because it definitely pagan mixed with a little Roman saint, in Europe we can still see today the pagan connection in how it’s celebrated in different regions of Europe, also commerce promotes Santa Claus and pushes Jesus more and more out of Christmas .
Go back and re-listen to what he said. Christ conquest over Thor!!! Very nice actually.
Go listen again to what he said that part was clear
“It comes from Babylonian pedo…….” Whaaaaaaaaaaaat !?????
Nope Druids
Saturnalia
Yup they did a lot of weird stuff in Babel hence God destroying it
I appreciate you input on a lot of the aspects of Christmas, and I agree with much of it.
I do, however, disagree with you view on Santa Clause @13:24 and quickly lumping it in with Christmas trees is not a fair assessment.
What are we told about Santa?
1) He’s magical. What does the Bible say about magic?
2) He sees your when you’re sleeping, he knows when you’re awake, he knows if you’ve been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake. That is clearly a false Christ depiction - more on that in a moment.
3) Were told that he keeps a list of who’s been naughty and nice. That replaces the idea of the book of life, and makes rewards work-based (i.e. your good behavior can be enough to earn you rewards).
Now, I could go on, but to catch up with the point I said I would continue on previously.
I watched my 9 year old niece lift her eyes to the sky and yell “thank you Santa” for her gifts, because my sister and her husband wrote on the gift tags that they were from Santa.
It’s going to be pretty difficult to convince me that “Santa” in that very instance is not a snare for my nieces faith in God. To whom do we owe all of our thanks, praise, and worship? To whom did the thanks, praise, and worship go to?
Now, I didn’t cause a scene or even point out the potential (arguably affirmative) issue there. I sat there quietly and let them continue in their celebration.
That same niece believes that a magical elf moves around the house each night, when in reality it’s her parents moving the elf around and convincing my niece that magic is real.
My brother-in-law touched the elf and my niece saw, which she said “takes away its magic”, my sister then looked up how to return magic to the elf (to please my niece, not that my sister believes in magic).
I then saw the elf placed on paper towels and circled in sprinkles and/or sparkles, in what appeared to be an amateur seance.
Sure, it seems harmless for the most part now, but it only takes a small seed for a massive oak to grow over time.
I’m concerned that you don’t take this seriously, because you haven’t seen things like what I described in person. I attest to you, there are many many families going through similar experiences right now.
My sister claims the name of Christian and goes to church. My brother-in-law claims the name of Catholic, but goes to church with my sister. My niece goes to Sunday school.
They bear no fruit of people that have been born again. I’m truly concerned about them and their practices (beyond just the previously mentioned activities).
This isn’t some game of analytical dissection, there’s a lion lurking and waiting to devour.
I’d really like to know why you went over so many aspects of Christmas, but skipped right over Santa, which is arguably the most easily recognizable aspect of modern Christmas.
@@NoOneToNoOne89 great argument
@NoOneToNoOne89
You made great points, Brother. Here’s another correlation between Satan/Santa/Nimrod etc attempting to be like YAH.
Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How you are fallen from heaven,
O Lucifer, son of the morning!
How you are cut down to the ground,
You who weakened the nations!
13For you have said in your heart:
‘I will ascend into heaven,
I will exalt my throne above the stars of God;
I will also sit on the mount of the congregation
On the farthest sides of the north;
14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds,
I will be like the Most High.’
Ascending above the clouds? Farthest sides of the North sounds suspiciously similar to the North Pole, also.
One of the many reasons I could never be a Jehovah's Witness. And the whole blood transfusion thing with them. Can you imagine letting your child die because an organization taught that life-saving blood transfusions were sinful only to have the same organization "receive new light" and change their position on the matter? It would be heartbreaking and a genuine possibility for a JW.
My wife is a nurse and told me story about a mother who was giving birth. She needed a blood , but since her family was JW they did not let her do it. She passed away. My wife was a mess, she said she could easily have been saved.
That's what happened to Selena the famous tejano singer. She could of lived but her parents refused to give her a blood transfusion due to their beliefs(religion)
Apostates
This happened to my Dad’s neighbor growing up. They let their kid die because they wouldn’t give a blood transfusion
JW dont believe Jesus is God. So that invalidates their whole theology.
We don't really need enemies in the world to hurt Christians. The vitriol that Christians spew at each other in comment sections shows that we don't need an enemy. We are our own enemies.
My respect to you, Sir, Wes Huff. You handle discussions and differences with the utmost patience, meekness, authority and an obvious love of the Church.
You're an example to follow! God bless you.
Christmas is pagan through and through and no matter how hard you try to make it look innocent, it has nothing to do with Jesus or the Bible… you need to renounce all your sins and stop looking for reasons to hold on.
Repent and be converted
Amen!
Neither Jesus doesn’t excist and the Romans know this. By the way why don't you talk about Caucasians and where they come from??
Christmas is Pagan because it's not in the Bible...God gave specific feast days to have...Christians got rid of God's Days for their Pagan days...that's facts...I would debate you can't substantiate keeping Christmas according to the Bible
You either didn t watch the video or you are a functional illiterate
I'm a former pagan/wiccan. We believed that the source of the Holiday Tree... was from the goddess Isis, and her relationship to Osiris, (the tree of life) The story was, after Osiris died, he was re birthed as a tree. His birthday fell in the winter solstice, (end of december) and that Osiris left gifts under the tree at this time of year. This belief dates back to ancient Egypt and is not recent. As an ex witch... I will NEVER have a Christmas tree or mistletoe, or garlands to represent Holly and Ivy in my house! It's unbiblical and nothing Christian about it. The pagans believed the holiday ever green tree to be magick. Same for the Holly and the Ivy, Yule log, mistletoe etc etc. Nothing that anyone says will convince me that any of this is ok. It's just not~!
Acting out in such a way in a comment is also unbiblical wouldn’t you say?
She didn't act out. She spoke facts with conviction. Pretty sure Jesus did the same thing when addressing hypocrites. @JosephMenaMindset
@@JosephMenaMindset r u okay?
This person makes a valid point. I'm not sure why their comment is unbiblical. They have simply stated facts about their previous experiences of being a pagan. How is that unbiblical?
@@TheWoodhatch
Staying biblical….
Ecclesiastes 7:16:
"Do not be overly righteous, and do not make yourself too wise-why should you destroy yourself?"
This verse cautions against excessive self-righteousness or moral superiority, emphasizing the need for humility and balance. It reminds us that acting as though we are morally better than others can lead to harm or downfall.
Thank you for covering this! Been a big question for me.
Saw the debate with Billy and now I'm here.
4:10 conspiracy but “Sol invictos” looks like statue of liberty 🗽 🤔
Also looks like other portrayals or satan
It's gross the idle worship that the United States stands on. We have been so deceived.
😂
It sure does
Exactly they are the same
Nevertheless, it is not stated in the Bible that we must celebrate this or that it is important to do so.
I mean, God becoming human to save other humans from sin, death, and judgment is a pretty huge deal and worth celebrating, don't you think?
Did you watch the video? 😂
@@aur9209 If it was important God would have asked for it. He didn't. He asked for 7 other festivals that Christians refuse to celebrate so why should it matter to Christians what God wants.. they know how to do their own thing.
@@protectedacrossonobviously not and so many other couch commentators here seem to have skipped the video all together and jumped straight in the comments. You can lead a horse to water…..
I hung on to every word, believe that anything we put before God is a type of idolotry, God will not share his glory, He is a jealous God, we may not be actually be worshiping a graven image in the way the pagans did in the Jeremiah passage, perhaps there is no strong correlation between then & now, but if we call the celebration Christs mass then it should be about Christ, not Santa the tree and mystical creatures.
Christmas lining up with the winter soltice and Easter with the Spring equinox sounds pretty pagan to me.
Didn't you listen at all. Like At All
Because unto those that are defiled there’s nothing pure
It's funny how he's only going as far back as the Roman's when discussing pagan beliefs. It's a fact that December 25th and the winter solstice was celebrated for 100's if not thousands of years before Christianity even existed.
You should create a video with sources on it and disprove him then. Surely if you have the time to do thorough research on this to verify all your sources to come to a disagreement with this UA-camr then you easily have the content to put forth a video debunking this.
Exactly.
Saturnalia was an ancient Roman festival held in honor of the god Saturn, typically celebrated from December 17 to December 23. Initially, it began as a one-day event but gradually expanded to a weeklong celebration by the late Republic. The festival was marked by a reversal of social norms, where roles between slaves and masters were temporarily relaxed, and people engaged in feasting, gift-giving, and merrymaking.
Saturnalia began to decline in significance as Christianity spread throughout the Roman Empire. By the end of the 4th century CE, the festival was largely overshadowed by the celebration of Christmas, which was officially established on December 25. The transition from Saturnalia to Christmas involved the absorption of many of Saturnalia's customs, such as gift-giving and festive gatherings, into the new Christian holiday.
Christmas effectively replaced Saturnalia as the primary winter celebration in the Roman calendar. The choice of December 25 for Christmas was likely influenced by existing pagan festivals, including Saturnalia and the Roman festival of the "Birth of the Unconquered Sun." This strategic timing allowed early Christians to incorporate popular pagan traditions into their new faith, facilitating a smoother transition for converts from paganism to Christianity.
A scholarly source that discusses the transition from Saturnalia to Christmas and the incorporation of pagan traditions into Christian celebrations is the following:
MacCulloch, Diarmaid. Christianity: The First Three Thousand Years. Viking, 2011.
In this book, Diarmaid MacCulloch provides a comprehensive historical account of Christianity’s development, including its interactions with pagan traditions and the adaptation of various customs, such as Saturnalia, into Christian practices. MacCulloch explores how the early Christian church positioned Christmas in alignment with or as a replacement for existing pagan festivals like Saturnalia, Sol Invictus, and others around the winter solstice.
Another useful source is:
Brown, Peter. The World of Late Antiquity: AD 150-750. Thames & Hudson, 1971.
Brown’s work covers the broader social and religious transformations in the late Roman Empire, including the decline of traditional pagan festivals like Saturnalia and their absorption into Christian practices. He discusses the role of seasonal festivals and how they were reinterpreted in the context of the Christianization of the Roman world.
These sources provide scholarly insights into the historical and cultural processes that led to the adaptation of Saturnalian customs into the Christian holiday of Christmas.
Thanks for sharing scholarly sources! So Christmas is pagan?
😊@@Prophetic_222 no
Wasn’t saturnalia a multi day festival (8 to be exact)? And if it started on the 17th it would last to the 25th.
yeah and? what the fuck does this have to do with anything?
Did you watch the video?
Awesome break down. I appreciate the knowledge brother
Sextus is quite a name 😂 04:36
Good catch 😂
And his last name AfricANUS 😅
No offense but maybe get your mind out of that strange place
If you think Sex is a bad thing, maybe youre at the wrong place, my dear.
@girlforJesus7843 Is not necessarily a strange place, I think it's all for laughs and giggles, but if anyone is curious about the actual origin: the Roman name "Sextus" derives from the Latin word for "sixth", so we can assume probably the 6th child or something like that. Similar first names of the day were Quintus ("fifth") and Decimus (which means "tenth").
The story of Heru (Horus) was written on the Temple of Luxor and in Hieroglyphs. The Hebrew language came a lot later and since the stories are very similar, it’s easy to see how they could have been borrowed from it. The book “The Pagan Christ” calls out many of these similarities that were borrowed and added to Christianity.
Wes didn't cite any verse that supported his arguments. I actually came hoping to have my mind changed, but was disappointed.
That's because everyone who tries to say it is pagan uses (false and made up) extrabiblical historical sources.
Because there is no such verse. Christmas is a pagan celebration. And even if it did not have its origins in pagan gods' celebrations, it would still not be okay because it would then be nothing but a tradition of men.
@@octogintillion how about we do exactly what is commanded in the Bible? How about we don’t celebrate extra biblical holidays that God didn’t command in the Bible?
@@Aviole The Bible does describe the timing of Christ's birth. We can calculate this from context clues given in the Bible.
As we know from basic human biology, the average child is born about 9 months after they are conceived. Christ's conception is something announced in the Bible, in the Gospel according to Luke 1:26-38.
In these verses we see only one timestamp given: 6 months into the pregnancy of St Elizabeth, the mother of St John the Baptist.
The Theotokos is informed that she will bear the Son of God. Mary gives her consent to this, and then she conceives.
So far we have two timestamps: 9 months after the Annunciation, and 6 months after the conception of St John the Baptist. However, we don't yet have an exact date. In the scriptures, though, we are told when St John the Baptist was conceived.
The Gospel of Luke 1:5-22 describes the conception of Saint John the Baptist as happening "of the course of Abia"
This is a critically important point because this describes the jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, which happened in late September of 1 BC.
How does that simple phrase describe Yom Kippur? Well, the Scripture records the Course of Abia as the eighth course among the 24 priestly courses for the Old Covenant Jews. (Nehemiah 12:17). Each course served one week in the temple for twice each year.
The course of Abia served during the 8th week and the 32nd week in the annual cycle.
This means that the priestly course of Abia (the course of St Zacharias) was serving during the 2nd week of the Jewish month of Tishri - the week of the Day of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri.
In the secular calendar, the Day of Atonement on 10th Tishri lands anywhere from September 22 to October 8.
In 1BC, Hebrew Calendars have calculated it to be roughly equivalent to be about September 27th.
www.cgsf.org/dbeattie/calendar/?roman=1bc
St Zacharias and St Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist immediately after Zacharias served his course. This means that St John the Baptist would have been conceived somewhere around the end of September.
This confirms the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Conception of St John the Baptist on September 23, and places his birth 9 months later at the end of June, confirming the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Nativity of Saint John the Baptist on June 24.
So if St John the Baptist was conceived around September 23rd-27th, then Christ was conceived 6 months later in March (23rd-27th). That means Christ was born 9 months later in December, 23rd - 27th, which just so happens to contain December 25th.
@@Aviole A time for honoring Jesus and the miracle of his birth is not pagan. And like was said in the video if you watch it, Jesus himself went to Jerusalem to celebrate a holiday that was not commanded in the Scripture.
I'm subscriber, Thank-you for the Christmas VIDEO... always Love fron Chicago, Mark
Awesome summary! I've been looking for something this concise to give to my Christian friends who don't and lean towards the pagan argument. Truth is if another day was chosen to celebrate and used different things to decorate the naysayers would find some other connections to complain about because I believe Satan doesn't want us to celebrate Him but wants to keep us arguing instead.
Agreed. This summary was well-done with information I hadn’t heard before. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! 🕊️❤️🙏✝️
The bible doesn't celebrate birthdays.
Romans 6:16 him you listen to, him you obey, him also you worship.
Adam & Eve sinned biig time, but the statement from satan sounded simple and innocent.
There are only 2 thoughts in this world.
It's either from God or from satan.
Satan will inspire this clever reasoning.
Jesus answered, "it is written".
Exactly what Eve should have answered satan in Eden. There is nothing as dangerous as comprise.
My conclusion: i don't care whether it's pagan or not.
It is not from God!
Therefore it is from satan.
Revelation 13:3-4 KJV
[3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
I hate to say it, but when I see or hear rants over the subject of Christmas,, I feel that those people hate Jesus and subsequently hate His birth and birthday. Why pick the birthday of JESUS to find so "pagan" and why say that only 2 people (Pharaoh and Herod) celebrated birthdays ? we don't really know that many birthdays were not celebrated, do we ? it makes me think of how "off the deep end" people are about makeup, saying Jezebel painted her face. Maybe ALL WOMEN used a minute amount of help for their appearance - and how could wearing makeup be twisted up in making a girl/woman a Jezebel ?
@claudiakochistringov5651
Pharaoh, Herod and Belchazzer are heathen kings . And when ever a birthday is celebrated the Christian saints are killed & murdered as martyrs. John the baptist got his head chopped off because of a birthday.
And when you speak about makeup. Didn't you notice that Jacob commanded all his women to take of their makeup & jewellery. And he buried it in the ground.
Then he moves from that point and positions all his family in battle formation. His emphasis is that we have to meet God(Jesus/ The Angel of the Lord) without anything of satan.
That's why Jesus said, satan has nothing of me. Makeup came and originated from prostitution. No matter how much you try to formalise it. It is authored by satan the father of all sin.
Birthday celebration and Xmas is authored by satan. No matter how much you try to make it Christian. It is not possible.
Satan is called the accuser of the brethren. As long as you have sin in your life. Then he has jurisdiction over you. That why satan was able to challenge Jesus over the body of Moses and Joshua at Jericho.
This is why Jacob told all his household to bury that madness. Why?
Because we are about to meet The Chief Prince of heaven itself!
That is the Elijah message, bold & aggressive evangelism like John the baptist.
Joshua 5 He told Joshua kneeling to me is not enough. Take of your shoes(your past sins) because you're standing on holy ground.
This is the revelation message. Come out of Babylon my people. You can't worship God using satan's day.
Jacob noticed that. The children of Israel with Moses noticed that.
In anyway the 1st polygamy in human history by Lameck from the line of Cain. His 2 wives Zillah & Adah is the definition of makeup.
So when Gabriel is saying to Mary, greatly beloved are you amongst all women.
Perish the thought that Mary was wearing makeup.
Mt Zion is a holy place. No sin can enter there. It is not possible for The Holy Spirit to come to Mary whilst she is dressed like Jezebel. Dressing reflects character.
God answered Abel through obedience, not through physical flesh display.
His name is called wonderful. According to Samson's parents. What is wonderful is obedience like Abel. Not physical display.
Psalm 68 - Mt Bashan(Lucifer & the fallen earth) is greater than Mt Zion in physical splendour.
But Mt Zion shall be greater because. The LORD has chosen it as His dwelling place!
That is the emphasis as we are going towards the end. Come out of Babylon. Rise up from sleep and slumber!
You'll not meet Jesus holding on to your Xmas trees. You're not going to meet This Greatest Exalted Celestial Pontentate Chief Prince wearing your makeup.(Thou shall not bear false witness/ you shall not lie).
That is the last final warning of Elijah/ Revelation.
@@faraijoffreymutepfa873
And yet God commanded feasts and celebrations. Also Isaac sent jewelry to adorn Rebecca. Jesus celebrated all the Jewish holidays and weddings. His first miracle he provided wine for celebration.
I guess you are more righteous than Christ?
For me it's very easy... "the Lord is the same yesterday, today, and forever" is found in the Bible in Hebrews 13:8, therefore Jeremiah 10 cearly instructs us not to be like the heathan/pagans, and instructs us not to take a tree from the forest, fasten it and adorn in with silver and gold which is a Christmas tree. Now ask yourselves if the Lord is the same as yesterday, today and always and this is confirmed in the new testament than the Lord is CLEARLY not okay with all of us erecting an idol of a Christmas tree in our homes once a year. Do not be like the heathan, Jesus bless you! 🙏
Jeremiah 10 is about those who cut down trees to make idols out of WOOD. The pagans would carve an idol and pure silver or gold over it. This has NOTHING to do with Christmas trees.
@armourofgod6310 You are ridiculously delusional, misguided and decieved if you do not think Jeremiah 10 is talking about a Christmas tree. It literally says, do not take an evergreen tree from the forest into your home, fasten it and decorate it with silver and gold. It says nothing abouts carving the wood or pouring the gold over it. It literally is talking about a tree that is decorated with silver and gold. It says do not be like the heathan in this practice.
@@armourofgod6310 You are literally describing a Christmas tree without even realizing. Is it made of wood? Is it adorned with gold and silver? Do any cultures use it as an image or representation of a god for worship or symbol of something spiritual? Ancient Egyptians, Romans, and Vikings all viewed evergreen trees and branches as symbols of eternal life. Romans celebrated Saturnalia, a festival honoring Saturn, by decorating their homes with evergreens during the winter solstice.
While I agree with Mr. Huff on many things, and even admit he has a refined education, I believe his hermeneutics are missing the mark on this issue. There is a reason God appointed for us a set of Holy days / Feast Days. I mean, it's a "Holy Day". Just ask yourself if God would approve, and like the OP said, "God is the same yesterday, today and forever". Do I think everyone who celebrates Christmas is going to hell, of course not, I'm just saying it's ok to be fearful of being wrong on this issue. Better to err on the side of safety and bring blessings to your household rather than curses.
@@b151proof Can you please give me the definition of worship. I would like to know if you know the meaning.
@@b151proof They were making gods out of the wood, what part of that do you not understand? A Christmas tree is not a god statue nor does any Christian worship it.
Again, Jeremiah is talking about IDOLS. Idols in those times were covered in gold or silver.
15:30 He knows he just slam dunked his argument 😊 He's so humble you have to hunt to see anything like this from Wess. Good work sir, a true gentleman and scholar.
I agree that his debate deportment, composure, and grace are extremely admirable qualities, HOWEVER, highlighting a typo in a comment to straw man the person rather than the position is actually quite the opposite of humility. It's actually quite arrogant, petty, and not a great expression of Christ. That said, I'm not saying I would do any better...but just pointing out the difference between humility and false humility.
Not a straw man, by definition. At best a red herring. A poor grasp of language is a less relevant but perfectly legitimate target for criticism. It is a discrediting mistake.
Jesus being born december 25th is a lie. Christians shouldnt celebrate a tradition built on a lie.
Sol Invictus was set by the Roman Empire 12-25-274ad.
The Light of the World is literally the Sun/Sol, Can’t really argue with that, especially since the Sun was worshipped by the Roman Empire?
On the Winter Solstice the Sun hits its lowest point of the year, For 3 Days it remains there, before Beginning its Rise again for its Journey through June to its highest point on The Summer Equinox.
The Sun “dies” for 3 days on the winter Sol-stice is around December 21st, and is then “Resurrected” or “Rises” again when the figs begin to ripen: Summer Equinox around June 21st.
When a cataclysm occurs, these Allegories will be extremely important to understand the Correct way to be able to survive and keep correct Time.
“Pagans” knew these things, they knew how to Use Stonehenge and all the Megaliths around the world, Serpent Mound in Ohio is another Work that Tells the times and seasons so accurately, that it is only off 2 degrees across 12,600 years…
Jeremiah’s prophecies are not at all ONLY exclusive to ancient immediate Israelites. With the right discernment it could apply to any generation if need be
I always loved Christmas. In my country, I didn't grow up with Christmas trees, giving gifts and all that stuff during Christmas. For us, Christmas is a time for reunion and fellowship with family and friends...
Here is an illustration of EXACTLY how God feels on the subject of; "Reclaiming Christmas." It's as if a man proposed to his fiancee. They set the date for the wedding, everything was going good... until one day, before the wedding, things take a turn for the worse. His fiancee became disloyal. She claims she has fallen in love with someone else, she leaves him and gives him back the ring. The man is devastated, and he holds on to the ring. Years later he meets someone else, he gets over his fears and proposes... WITH THE SAME RING, his girlfriend almost accepts the proposal.. but before she does she notices that the initials engraved on the ring are NOT HER'S and his.... She says to him, "What's this?" Pointing to the initials etched in the ring. He says "Oh my gosh! I'm SO sorry! I forgot I put that on there 😬!" She responds, "Are you proposing to me with your EX FIANCEE'S RING?? He says "Don't worry I'll get it fixed! I'll take out the engraving and put our initials instead!" How do you think that's going to turn out? How do you think she feels about this? I'll tell you.... The same way God feels about "repurposing" Christmas. Here are some scriptures to back up the lesson shown in this illustration (1 Kings 3:3 Deuteronomy 12:13-14)
Terrible analogy.
@VictoriaMarch13 Can you explain why this analogy is terrible? Btw Jesus gave me this parable, so I would be careful what you are calling terrible.
Were you even listening to the video?? His WHOLE video/point, and he proved it pretty well I might add, is that Christmas was NOT “repurposed”. If it had been, then he would not have made the video, because all of the claims of Christmas being taken from Pagan holidays would be accurate. But they’re NOT…. as he proved to us. In the video you didn’t really listen to… 🙄.
@WalkByFaith24 He's wrong that is all I'm going to say, he's wrong
1:28 I’m sorry but this one made me laugh! What sacrifices are being brought to a tree? I don’t remember anyone slaughtering an animal next to the tree in my family history!😂 I’ve also never seen anyone bow down to a tree before either just to get gifts. In my experience people bring the gifts, put them under the tree to store them until it is time to hand them out. And not once have I ever heard of anyone giving credit to the tree for giving them gifts. In that regard Santa clause would be a better argument. Am I missing some reference to this person’s comment? I want to know who’s family they were spending Christmas with to get that impression!😂
Some occultists still do it today because its their tradition
Just because you and your ancestors celebrated it wrong doesn’t make it okay or right 😂
you sacrifice your time and money on gifts that you place under the tree . that’s besides the point tho. there is a generalized idea of what sacrifice looks like which is what you mentioned but we all make sacrifices of some kind to this day . we sacrifice time, money, relationships, resources for several different reasons. when you have this in mind, you can think: did the devil just stop influencing pagan worship and sacrifices or has he evolved it to make it look like something we would enjoy partaking in? I believe the latter bc how clever is it to trick people into doing something they don’t understand?? too easy. it happens all the time and it’s been going on for centuries.
I totally agree
Same! I have never done any of the things this person is describing. If bending down to reach something is considered bowing, then I guess I bow down to the washing machine about once a week. 😂 The sacrifices are my clothes. 😂 I also want to know where this person has spent Christmas to see people doing sacrifices, singing, and bowing to a tree. Maybe he's friends with druids?
People can say jeremiah doesnt refer to a christmas tree but with how much i love my savior im sorry but its too close for comfort.
Amen🙏🏽
The tradition of Christmas trees started in the 1200s AD in an area of France that had, by that point, been thoroughly Christian for the best part of 800 years.
They were always fir trees and were originally used in morality plays which told the story of Creation and the Fall the week before the Feast of the Nativity (I.e. Christmas). They're supposed to represent the Tree AND the garden, which in Ezekiel is described as a mountain.
Martin Luther is the first person we know of to put lights in a tree, although he used candles.
The first recorded Christmas tree was in the garden of a hospital, which any medieval historian knows means that it was in a monastery.
If you've read the gospels Jesus repeatedly reprimands the Pharisees for paying too much attention to the letter of the law. He cares more about what's in your heart, as far as I'm aware nobody worships Christmas trees. Idolatry refers to making idols to worship. Even the part about making graven images refers to making statues to worship as the pagans made statues of their gods to worship. Having a crucifix for example is not idolatry
Jeremiah specifically refers to ashtera poles not Christmas trees 🤦🏻
@ God called them hypocrites. He was calling them out on their ignorance and iniquities, just like man of today.
This man is a Christ like breathe of fresh air! Thank you Wes! May the Holy Spirit continue to guide and protect you! ❤
Funny how Americans didn't worship Christmas until after WW2. Coka Cola made it mainstream
The first recorded Christmas celebration in the United States is believed to have taken place in 1539, when Hernando de Soto and around 600 Spanish explorers celebrated the holiday. However, the holiday was not celebrated widely in the United States until the mid-19th century.
Here are some key events in the history of Christmas in the United States:
1659: Boston outlawed the celebration of Christmas.
1681: English governor Edmund Andros revoked the ban on Christmas observance in Boston.
1837: Louisiana became the first state to declare Christmas a state holiday.
1851: Mark Carr, a New York woodsman, is credited with opening the first Christmas tree lot in the United States.
1863: The German-American cartoonist Thomas Nast published the first printed image of Santa Claus in Harper's Weekly.
1870: President Ulysses Grant made Christmas a federal holiday.
1889: President Benjamin Harrison began the tradition of setting up a Christmas tree at the White House.
A 5 second Google search would have saved you from sounding like a fool.
I have a question,: in New Testiment it says that Angel came to Mary in the 6th month to tell her she will be pregnant with Jesus from Holy Spirit.
So if you calculate 9 month from that, that would be somewhere in March?
How was calendar back then? Was it different then now?
The Bible does describe the timing of Christ's birth. We can calculate this from context clues given in the Bible.
As we know from basic human biology, the average child is born about 9 months after they are conceived. Christ's conception is something announced in the Bible, in the Gospel according to Luke 1:26-38.
In these verses we see only one timestamp given: 6 months into the pregnancy of St Elizabeth, the mother of St John the Baptist.
The Theotokos is informed that she will bear the Son of God. Mary gives her consent to this, and then she conceives.
So far we have two timestamps: 9 months after the Annunciation, and 6 months after the conception of St John the Baptist. However, we don't yet have an exact date. In the scriptures, though, we are told when St John the Baptist was conceived.
The Gospel of Luke 1:5-22 describes the conception of Saint John the Baptist as happening "of the course of Abia"
This is a critically important point because this describes the jewish holiday of Yom Kippur, which happened in late September of 1 BC.
How does that simple phrase describe Yom Kippur? Well, the Scripture records the Course of Abia as the eighth course among the 24 priestly courses for the Old Covenant Jews. (Nehemiah 12:17). Each course served one week in the temple for twice each year.
The course of Abia served during the 8th week and the 32nd week in the annual cycle.
This means that the priestly course of Abia (the course of St Zacharias) was serving during the 2nd week of the Jewish month of Tishri - the week of the Day of Atonement on the 10th of Tishri.
In the secular calendar, the Day of Atonement on 10th Tishri lands anywhere from September 22 to October 8.
In 1BC, Hebrew Calendars have calculated it to be roughly equivalent to be about September 27th.
www.cgsf.org/dbeattie/calendar/?roman=1bc
St Zacharias and St Elizabeth conceived John the Baptist immediately after Zacharias served his course. This means that St John the Baptist would have been conceived somewhere around the end of September.
This confirms the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Conception of St John the Baptist on September 23, and places his birth 9 months later at the end of June, confirming the Orthodox Church’s celebration of the Nativity of Saint John the Baptist on June 24.
So if St John the Baptist was conceived around September 23rd-27th, then Christ was conceived 6 months later in March (23rd-27th). That means Christ was born 9 months later in December, 23rd - 27th, which just so happens to contain December 25th.
No way!! Im Super blown away by your take away. I really like Christmas because I like to focus about the birth of Christ and what it meant to the world. Such a beautiful moment, so precious. @@trentitybrehm5105
Romans 1:22-25 KJV. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
In Luke the scripture says it was the 6th month "with her." As in the 6th month that Elizabeth was pregnant! We don't know the month as they did not use the Greco-Roman calendar that we have today it simply meant that Elizabeth was 6 months pregnant and it has no reference to the time of year!! Read Luke
We know Jesus was born around September because Joseph was in his hometown, Bethlehem for the Roman census which is part of the historical record. Taxes were based on the census, still are.
Earliest evidence of the "Natalis Invicti" (birth of the Unconquered Sun) on Dec 25 comes from the 4th-century Philocalian Calendar (Chronograph of 354).
Emperor Aurelian is credited with establishing the Sol Invictus festival in 274 CE.
Historians like Stephen Hijmans (in "Sol: The Sun in the Art and Religions of Rome") and David Potter ("The Roman Empire at Bay") place the festival’s origins in this period.
Reference works (e.g., Encyclopaedia Britannica) and academic texts (e.g., The Cambridge Companion to the Age of Constantine) also support this dating.
so earliest evidence for sol invictus is AD 274(?) & Sextus Julius Africanus was writing about Jesus' birth in December from at least before AD 240. (Africanus, Chronology 1, Vernance Grumel; Paul Lemerle, 1958)
@@0NoOne1nParticularOne view holds that the day was declared to try to undermine Christmas. Your comment proves that.
@@0NoOne1nParticularcite the exact passage please. I’m not seeing it
Wrong, listen to an actual historian. Stop pushing lies about traditions because you think it makes you sound smart. It doesn't.
I told my grandson who has heard lots of these "new facts" that Christians don't copy pagans, but that pagans copy Christians. There's no substance to the pagan issue anyway. If people believe that God is sending us to Hell because we celebrate Dec 25th for His Son's birth with decorations, gifts and good food with family and friends it's obvious they don't know Him. God decorates every sunrise & sunset and every season. He brings out His best just to delight us! He's also open to celebrating look at the feasts! This a movement to divide and discredit Christians! He also established the family. Of course He wants us to have fun times together!
Just like the Christmas is pagan crowd, you have presented a one sided unfair view of the subject. Julius Africanus never said Jesus was born on December 25th, he only speculated the conception. Jesus was crucified on Passover. If we were to go by that, we can speculate Him being conceived as late as April 25, which would place His birth in late January to early February.
Also none of the earliest Church Fathers ever mention December 25th as Jesus birthday. Irenaeus of Lyons, Tertullian of Carthage, Justin Martyr, Cyprian of Carthage, Eusebius of Caeserea (The Father of Church history) all mention birth years, but never mention Jesus being born on December 25th.
Clement of Alexandria mentions three believed birthdates in his time, they were in April, May, and November. Hippolytus of Rome mentions April 4 as being Jesus' birthday. Clement of Alexandria was a very educated man, and lived in Alexandria. One of the biggest cities, and areas where knowledge and ideas flowed a lot! Yet Clement never even mentioned December 25 being a possible date.
The first document to mention December 25 as being Jesus' birthday is the Chronograph of 354 AD, here is the thing, it is also the first thing to mention Sol Invictus being on December 25. Before that we have no reliable written evidence of Jesus being born on December 25, other dates were suggested before.
He also ignores things about John Chrysostom. People claim (InspiringPhilosophy specifically) that Julian the Apostate made Sol Invictus holiday on December 25 to get back at Christians. Heres the thing: Julian the Apostate, and John Chrysostom lived around the same time. John Chrysostom mentions Sol Invictus being celebrated on December 25 as well. He never mentions Julian changing Sol Invictus to December 25, weird don't you think that would be pointed out if Julian did that? It is because there is no evidence of Julian the Apostate, and Aurelius ever adopting dates from the Christians.
He also ignores the fact that John Chrysostom says that Christmas was a new celebration in Antioch, and was just introduced in the past 10 years. All in all this video has some truths, but seems to be as (If not more) inconsistant than the people who claim Christmas is completely pagan...
Christmas is really just a secular holiday at this point that never had anything to do with Jesus in the beginning. It is never mentioned in the Bible either. Personally I would celebrate the winter holiday that Jesus Himself celebrated, which is Hanukkah! Have a blessed day!
With any holiday we celebrate to honor YHVH and proclaim Yeshua we have to collectively be able to explain what the elements used mean in that celebration. Feasts and festivals in the Torah provide a pattern . “Christian” holidays need that blueprint
He debunked himself!!! He tells how Christians made the Christmas Tree an Idol. Even if they associated it with the tree of life. It’s still an IDOL WES!. I won’t go into your scholarship or lack there of concerning pagans stealing Christmas traditions. Does he even realize Jeremiah could be used to prove you shouldn’t Idolize the CROSS?
Facts
I actually did not know who Wess was until I seen him on the Joe Rogan podcast. The debate with Billy Carson was awesome ! 👏 I have now subscribed to his channel!
Watched some of your content and I like it. May I ask what denomination you are part of? Is it Calvinistic/ reformed? Won’t make a huge difference to me since I watch all kinds of Christian content but I am always interested in the theological views of the Bible I subscribe to. I watch quite a few calvinists despite me not being a Calvinist. God bless!
Baptist, Reformed but the denomination I am part of are not necessarily “Reformed Baptists.”
Watch this one about Christmas. Wes has some good points, however he is lacking so much concerning the origins of this holiday. ua-cam.com/video/BxDOpPoBbeg/v-deo.html
@@WesHuffmy favorite pastors to study with are Independent Baptist.
Hi Wes, I just happened to fall on one of your videos a few weeks ago, and I am grateful I have. I have learned a lot from you. Is there a way where you can send me the chart that's in the beginning of this video?
Just wanted to subscribe and comment because I am grateful for the work you are doing for the faith after seeing the Billy Carlson debate🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Thank you for your insight all the time.The birth of Jesus is said by someone the first day of Sukkot somewhere around bc 4? WHat do you think of this?
Can you list references that we may view that the pagans in fact copied off the Christian’s as you stated? There are so many videos with facts of why we should not follow man made traditions. We need dates to prove other wise isn’t it hear say. How can one truly know without dates, seems like a lot of pictures.
Amen!
Just ask the Lord to have the Holy Spirit to reveal the truth to you on how The Lord views this time of year, and He shall reveal the scriptures which will help you to see, because the Lord promised that His Holy Spirit will teach us, and that we need NO man to do so: 1 John 2:27.
I loved Christmas, and the Lord started to reveal to me the truth from Jeremiah 10, regarding the "Tree". Then through the years, I came to realize that my emotional memories, and reactions to the colors, the food, the decoration, the music, triggered my draw to it! Once seeing this I just asked the Lord, I see the struggle, and please cause me to be separated from it so that YOU are Glorified in Truth and Righteousness.
He did and now I am more set free from the "spirit" that is behind this season, and I am joyful for it, because it pleases Him, and He desires to remove ALL things that do not represent Him within our human fleshly hearts.
Lord bless you!
i lokked up every point, you have the fucking internet at you finger tips stop being lazy
Don't let this liar deceive you. It is pagan!
He was giving the references, dates and people who wrote about events in the video. Best.
The traditions of giving gifts to each other rather than to the poor. Inviting each other ( who can well afford to reciprocate) to lavish feasts rather than inviting those or bringing food to those who would otherwise be going hungry are the points that I find most discordant.
Then feel free to get gifts for the poor or ones in need
Is correlation the same as THE WORD OF GOD ALLMIGHTY?
Jeremiah 10:1
Its actually says "dont be like the HEATHEN"
Its all Vanity
@Wes Huff No early Christians were decorating Christmas Trees and placing presents underneath them. You mentioned at 8th century “Saint” cutting down a tree and dedicating it to Christ where is that biblical? This man is German and this action has nothing to do with Semitic Customs. If the custom of Christmas Is not biblical it’s pagan.