PAC-12 Rebuild is Underway - Which Schools will Receive the Next Invitation?
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- The PAC-12 has begun to rebuild the PAC by inviting Boise State, Fresno State, San Diego State, and Colorado State to join in 2026. Who might be on the top of the list to receive the next round of invites from the PAC?
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I have been checking on both Memphis & Tulane sports talk shows and both are wanting out of the AAC & eager to do the PAC12. UTSA is also interested. However, the AAC is coming after Air Force.
It just going to depend on what kind of conference payout each school is going to get from any type of media deals the Pac can put together.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher PAC really needs Memphis for the next media deal. I don't know how much Tulane carries New Orleans, but their grads are national. The other schools are a balance of nice markets that schools don't dominate in, and athletic departments that are up and down. Vegas would be obvious, but the poaching penalty on top of exit fee, yeesh, is a lot. Memphis is a pretty consistent winner and draw (from Fuente, to Norvell, and now Silverfeld is finally winning). Help Memphis with its exit fee and travel costs, and that investment will reap rewards in a better TV deal with the best central time zone non-power program left, than the PAC would get without Memphis.
@@1utube01 I don’t think Memphis gets the Pac from $9M (per school per year) to $12M.
I think Memphis needs $12M for a move to pencil out. Some say that number is closer to $15M. The Pac seems to want Memphis, but “needs” is not established and the administration at Memphis is where the primary decision lies.
FYI, all six schools have equal say on who to add.
Memphis State sounds better in hindsight now, huh?
Fresno State is national champions in softball and baseball. Their football team is always good. Memphis and Tulane would be nice additions.
The comment of Tulane and Rice comment of being similar is like saying Stanford and Fresno are tight. Tulane and Memphis has a lot in common and are the package deal if they accept the deal to Pac12.
Tulane and Rice are both AAU members. Did you forget that?
Good video gentlemen. Now Immaculate is saying on Twitter that there is a look in for the AAC agreement in 2026. This will definitely change things up.
If the ACC loses 4 or 5 teams then merge with the Pac 12 and have coastal divisions.
The PAC12 is looking to build the best 9 to 10 schools for the media value.
@@jeh58 There only goi2 get 1 invite keep 8 if you think Berkeley Paulo Alto wants back in .11or12 waters it down .
Calford easily gets the Pac to $15M a year, if not more. But Calford would have to park a bunch of sports in several places as opposed to the ACC, never mind if the B1G comes calling. Also, Stanford and Cal can hold out in the ACC and get more than enough money to offset travel.
Also, if you’re going to tell me that the b12 will pick apart the ACC, I will remind you that it is not becoming of you to be shown as believing advertising.
What’s the PAC 12’s TV contract? The AAC Teams would have to pay exit fees and increased travel expenses.
They don’t have one past this season.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast The contract would have to be a minimum of 9 million and their exit fees would have to be covered for the conference switch to make sense.
I think the Pac 12 is thinking that the ACC will implode and Stanford and Cal will come back into the mix. that’s why I think the ACC is trying to make a deal with Clemson and Florida State.
Makes sense.
Memphis Tulane and no more Cal Stanford might comeback.
The ACC collapsing is far from a given, so no one should really be holding their breath waiting for it to happen. If it does somehow, then Cal would probably only rejoin the Pac 12 if they have absolutely no other option, and Stanford has enough financial backing that they would most likely go independent before they'd go back.
Stanford and California are not going anywhere without each other (just like USC and UCLA). And while the ACC is trying to make sacrifices to satisfy Florida State and Clemson, history has shown that the ACC has been runned by
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since coming up with that stupid division realignment in 2005! So I wouldn't call the ACC settling with Florida State and Clemson a 100% guarantee either.
I think they shouldn't take any schools east of the Mississippi River keep the Pacific Coast Confrence just that and keep it manageable 10-12 Schools get into Texas and California for recruiting and it will be a surprisingly good Conference.
Bring on the Pan-American Conference!
Cal & Stanford are not coming back. Replace them with other top academics: Tulane & Rice. Thats what i'd like to see. Bring in Memphis & North Texas.
The only way Utah would move would be for the BIG, and that invite ain't comming...
Yeah I'd bet stanford gets an invite before utah and it'd be to lure Notre Dame in
Utah will get in the final 50-60 team conference imo but it'd be tough for them to make it to the B1G at least for a good while
@@dominicschoenheit8093 - Notre Dame doesn't need Stanford and California (those latter two are not leaving each other behind) when USC and UCLA are already there. And if B1G universities had a brain, they would stop scheduling Notre Dame altogether. Especially USC and Michigan!
Yes, let's pretend that USF does not exist. Silly move on your part.
Didn’t pretend they don’t exist.
Just think they are much better suited in the ACC come 2030.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast and they are much better suited for the PAC for the 5 year GOR period coming up.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast , I think I have been vindicated by the AAC statement that included USF, which indicated that USF was involved in the expansion discussion. Next time, don't get locked in on an idea.
Memphis, tulane, utsa and Texas state will be the adds
I think UNLV, UTSA, then Tulane and Memphis are the best adds and make the PAC the best G5(6) conference. I do not see where Rice adds anything. There are other Texas public schools that would be better adds. The PAC should stick to no more than 10 until the ACC is resolved by 2030.
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Tulane and Memphis are good for PAc12. Pac12 only needs schools that will make the conference a strong conference.
Texas schools helps with travel and jetlag for Memphis and Tulane.
The next two will likely be Nevada and UNLV. Not happy about that but it makes the most sense.
I would hope so in order to stay regional, but I doubt it. Get used to a Pac with Central Time Zone universities.
So when you tell the Nevada legislature that the options are (1) have one school making $10M/year from TV revenue and the other make maybe $1M, or (2) have two schools, making $1.5-2M/year, in a state like Nevada that knows a little something about money and its sources, you think that legislature is going to act with a sudden abundance of preservationist pride?
I could guess that the chances of that aren’t zero, and I know such a discussion will take a little time because some in Nevada will no doubt be convinced they can create two $10M schools. But it’s not the way to bet.
As. Tulane fan for 47 years I don't see Tulane leaving the AAC unless the PAC12 can generate more dollars from a media deal than the AAC has OR by some miracle Cal and Stanford return with the possibility of the PAC being considered as a P5 again. Tulane pretends to support athletics but athletics does not run that school
Tulane is going to need to Texas rivals and Memphis with LESS conference games to make going to the Pac worth it.
You’re an old Tulane fan though so you ain’t in touch with what’s going on NOW. Just sit back and relax.
@@Iamhimbutyouarenot I've had season tickets for 30 years my dad for even longer. I support TAF and follow pretty much everything Tulane, so yeah, i think I have an idea.
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There are a few things I disagree with today. I find it highly unlikely that UNLV was invited and turned down the Pac12. There is no advantage to staying with UH, UNM, UW, SJSU, etc. It appears clear that they were not invited.
Texas simply does not have an available school worthy of what Pac12 is trying to build. Simply being in Texas is not enough to consider what is available.
I also do not understand the fascination with Wyoming. It is UNM without the TV market or academics.
Pac12 did pull off bringing in Texas, Oklahoma, two other Big12 schools. It came down to the Longhorn network. Certain Pac12 schools objected to that, otherwise the deal was done.
EDIT: Pac10 had Texas, Oklahoma, TX A&M, TX Tech, Oklahoma State, and Colorado with a done-deal.
Here's what I heard: UNLV and Nevada share the same board of regents. The PAC doesn't want Nevada, so there is extra leg work to get UNLV to make the jump.
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Cal and stanford will not return to pac 12 conference. No university in pac 12 ,on level of Cal and Stanford. Cal and Stanford will not share their research with other university
Cal might go back to the PAC, Stanford will not. How? Stanford and Notre Dame go to the Big 10 leaving Cal on an Island alone in the ACC
Cal and Stanford were unwilling to stay in the old PAC with who I believe are the only 2 non-AAU schools from that conference. They wouldn't go back to more of the same.
Look Cal and Stanford aren't the only ones who can be picky....once the ACC crumbles they'll both be looking for a new home. Hope they come back begging and pleading 😂
Regardless of how little of a chance there may be, the priority must be to pursue Cal and Stanford. Then others as plan B.
Well, seeing how the ACC have been runned by
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since 2005, nothing would surprise me if the ACC botches the settlement with Florida State and Clemson.
Stanford and Cal only comes back if ACC implodes.
If I were PAC12, I would take 16 teams and 2 basketball teams. Now they could compete with BIG 12.
But you’re not the Pac.
It’s the money. Number of schools don’t compete with other conferences, the per school payout does. They’ll get paid for 8-9 and hope they can catch fire if they want to add more schools. That won’t be easy.
UNLV, UTSA, Memphis, Tulane, Texas State….and USF! They’d be stupid not to go after USF. Strong academics (AAU school), strong athletics, school has resources, and in a top media market in Tampa.
Make it work PAC 12!! Whatever you need to do!!
They can go after USF, but we do not believe USF would join.
@@TheBigMountainPodcast that kinda shows you don’t understand this process. Tulane, Memphis and UTSA leave that leaves USF in an FCS level conference. ESPN has a look in next year, so it’s highly probable that they reduce the payout. USF is not going to agree to that with the hope the ACC comes a callin.
It's simple if you get unlv you add an eastern division and destroy group of 5 football.
West
Fresno, boise, Colorado St, San Diego state, Oregon state and Washington state.
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Memphis, usf, Tulane, utsa, liberty, James Madison, toledo.
Puts ya in every major recruiting state but Georgia, Leaves room for adding 4 more teams if someday the acc falls apart..
Don’t confuse the 99 year agreement with the GOR. it’s a 99 year agreement to stay together. Basically all that means is there’s an exit fee which isn’t connected to the GOR.
But not as strong as a GOR (which means the schools basically leave without their media rights). Big 12 also has a media rights GOR, but obviously much shorter until 2031
Why do shows like this keep mentioning former PAC 12 members as possible candidates? They were just in the conference like 3 months ago. The four corner schools and CalStan could have stayed and help rebuild the PAC but they didn't.
Why would they consider coming back to join a conference with teams they don't consider as their peers? They wouldn't consider it so can we stop bringing their names up as part of PAC 12 current expansion????
Geez........
I understand why schools like Memphis, Tulane, USF are being looked at for their brand power. However, I'm having a very hard time justifying these additions to the PAC-12 just because of their brand power. Travel-wise, it will be a nightmare for the eastern most schools. Memphis and Tulane are stretching it. USF makes absolutely no sense.
One would think the PAC would set up shop in the state of Texas and get any combination of Texas schools to round out the conference. That seems logical.
Now that the PAC is off life support it’s a good reminder to note, both WAZZU and The Beavs, come from The Conference of Champions, and are hard wired with Power Conference mentality and mindset. There is no way, as the PAC 2 showed to all the naysaying sports talking heads, that we were ever going settle for the consolation uncoveted door prize as The Cupcake Conference of Champions.
Membership next phase PAC invitations will go to candidates with a winners, no-holds-barred, in your face mentality with the pedigree and loaded toolbox to make the PAC, not only better, but also return the PAC to Power Conference status.
If all indications point to the ACC staying in tact, then why wait until January to add other schools?
I think the UNLV are interested, but they are not interested in paying that exit fee.
PAC is clearly building the dominate 5th best conference and building separation between themselves and AAC, MWC and Sun Belt. I am calling my shot that Tulane and Memphis and either Rice or UTSA will be PAC members within the next 30 days. UNLV also.
They’re prepping for the event ubber-league. If the league flourishes the next 7-10 years they will be in a good place to be absorbed into the giant FBS system.
Utah signed a grant of rights with the Big 12 until 2031. They supposedly didn't sign the 99 year "grant if rights" (the extended exit fee) though that likely has changed. Either way, the Big 12 wouldn't have extended an invite if they had not signed a grant of rights.
who in their right mind would sign a 99 year grant of rights?
PAC can't afford more MWC buyout. ACC won't change. Go for any of the next 3: Memphis, Tulane, UTSA, No Tex, Texas St, Rice, Tulsa. Start at top and stop when 3 commit.
I thought Memphis and South Florida would wait for ACC or Big 12. Now it looks like ACC not breaking up until 2030s when B1G Ten & SEC contracts are up for renewal. So Memphis & possibly South Florida in play. Tulane & Rice are like minded academic schools and could be helpful in 2030s. Best bets appear to be UTSA, Tulane, Rice, Memphis, Texas St., and North Texas.
You’re delusional if you think rice is getting invited.
@@Iamhimbutyouarenot universities have to pay their bills for things other than sports. For some schools research dollars, endowments, tuition, state funding etc is what pays those bills.
Tulane has approximately $222 million annual research, $2 billion endowment, investing in athletics, recent sports success, New Orleans market and in AAC.
Rice has approximately $216 million annual research, $7 billion endowment, not great results in sports, uncertain investments in sports, Houston, TX market and AAC.
PAC 12 appears to want presence in Large TV markets, Texas, central time zone, growing areas, academic reputation including research dollars etc.
While Rice may not tick all of the boxes it does tick many of the boxes.
Who ends up in PAC 12 will depend on a combination of factors including academics & research dollars.
What about Airforce? UNLV?
Air Force is likely going to the AAC and we’ll see with UNLV.
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Like this here: If done right the new PAC will incorporate the 2 most football crazy regions in the country: the South and the Mountain west.
Memphis and Tulane
UTSA (or Texas State) and Rice
Utah State and Wyoming
South Florida and Southern Miss
UConn and Georgia State
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If P12 wants to expand its footprint and gain a foothold in a major 📺 market, there’s NIU just 45 m west of Chicago. Since 2010 NIU has beaten Minny, Fresno, Kansas, Nebraska, Iowa, NW, Notre Dame, Boston College, Ga Tech & next NC St. Has access to Soldier Field.
Also UNLV, BYU & Purdue
@@onlinepoledon’t remind me of that NIU game, lol. Lost a friendly bet on that one.
You think NIU would leave the regional benefits of the MAC?
@@aBrewster29 nearly all MAC football 🏈 the entire month of November is Tuesday & Wednesday nite games; which helps with recruiting but horrible for building a fan base.
Soccer ⚽️ is in Mo Valley. Could move other sports 🏀 to Summit League or Horizon League
Or MVC
Tulane, Rice, Tulsa & UTSA are my 4 odds on favorites; UNLV “might” be #11 if other schools fall through plus they’ll likely have to jettison Nevada as well. I personally don’t think that Memphis will be invited because they’re too far east and the ACC might need some more schools to join their conference down the road.
California & Stanford will have NO choice to go back once the purging of the ACC schools courtesy of the Big 12 (in 2030!)
Tulanes further east than memphis 😂. Memphis and tulane will go as the other goes. They need eachother for travel
@@scottyking7161 Memphis has to be the most western part of Tennessee then. Tulane is in Mississippi so they’re not that close plus neither are rivals of one or another.
Strange that Southern Mississippi are rivals of both programs.
@@okolo22000 Huh? Tulane is in New Orleans. Memphis is on the banks of the Mississippi River, at the corner of Arkansuck and Mississippi
People just say anything on here.
That doesn’t make sense; when I looked at the U.S. map it appeared that Louisiana is clearly west in comparison to Tennessee and yet Tulane and Memphis are straight north and south of one another.
I must’ve mistaken Tulane with another city in Mississippi by mistake.
I, live in Las Vegas and UNLV was never offered a Pac 12 invite (not yet).
I am hearing Memphis and Tulane are locks, to join the Pac 12.
UNLV, is the 9th team to join and you guys totally left off USF from the AAC.
I could see the Pac 12, going to 10 teams. Instead, of the 9 teams promised.
USF, that travel will be terrible for the PAC.
@@EyeOfTheWatcher I, agree the travel will definitely be brutal for USF.
I'm hearing that the Pac 12, wants to decimate the AAC and take the 3 best brands. Tulane, Memphis and USF.
@@tommygun5498 - You are a
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if you think Leastern Time Zone universities are joining the Pac! South Florida will probably end up in the Big "can't count past" 12 eventually.
I am sure a Texas school ( UTSA or Texas St ( but not both) will end up in the PAC. As for other schools? If there is a settlement and Clemson & FSU remain in the ACC past 2027, then Tulane and USF become more likely. Other possibilities ? UNLV, AFA, Memphis & North Texas
You are a
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if you think Leastern Time Zone universities are joining the Pac! South Florida will probably end up in the Big "can't count past" 12 eventually.
Montana/Montana State?
Utep and unm more likely
The Montana schools just don't have big enough population bases to move up, IMO.
@@ReisterJP If Mountain West schools don’t reduce their exit fee, the Montana schools might become their only option.
@@PCSPounder if cusa didn't take the Montana schools nobody will
@@ReisterJP If the Mountain West can’t even get a contract competitive with CUSA, they’ll have nowhere else to go but Montana.
The agreement between the PAC and the Mountain west means that PAC will wait on the Mw to expand before announcing any further MW schools joining the new PAC. Football only membership for Air Force and Hawaii makes some sense because each has unique media value in football but their Olympics are terrible
I think tulane and memphis wont get an acc invite unless the big boys leave. To their biggest teams its a dilution of revenue
The ACC are
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for choosing Stan and Cal over Memphis and Tulane! Wouldn't be surprised if they botch up the settlement with Florida State and Clemson.
As always Jay, you talk TOO MUCH!
Give Steve a chance to talk!
Steve is able to talk and chime in when he wants too. We appreciate your feedback, but each ep is researched by one of us, and that is usually who drives the discussion.
What about the mountain West and pac-12 robbing the big West conference
That would bring no value. In fact, it would diminish value.
@@aflyer I was thinking they had long beach at and there good in basketball like Gonzaga but your right they a school that's good in academics as well as Athletics and I was thinking since Sacramento State was in talks I was thinking there were in same
San Luis Obispo, UC-Davis and Hawaii are the only Big West members that sponsors football. And two of them play in the BIG SKY for football association. Not happening.
Swing for the fences and invite Notre Dame, University of Connecticut and Gonzaga. I also like Saint Mary’s. I heard University of Connecticut wants
a conference that will invite there basketball and football.
Teams from Texas make sense too.
Thankfully, you are not making the decisions if you think UConn and especially Notre Dame are joining the Pac!
Either the MWC or the PAC-12 should bring up Simon Fraser University (SFU) from DII and restart their football program. Team plays in BC Stadium and would be the only Canadian D1 school. They could market themselves as Canada’s team and could take advantage of Vancouver and the Canadian media markets. This could even lead to more Canadian universities to make the jump to the NCAA. Pipe dream, I know. It would be fun to watch the SFU Red Leafs take on a role never seen at the FBS or FCS levels.
I wonder why they stopped calling themselves the Clan?
I personally think that the Pac-12 purposefully left 8 school in the MW so they could survive as a league and not have to scramble (a sort of gentleman's agreement). HOWEVER, I think the plan is to try and create an Eastern Pod of schools in the Central and Eastern time zones. I'm thinking they try and court Tulane, Memphis, UTSA, and Rice. I also think that Gonzaga, GCU and St. Mary's will be involved in some way for Basketball.
Putting Leastern Time Zone schools in the Pac is just as
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as westerns in the B1G and ACC. This is all going to BACKFIRE eventually just like the Southern (1930's) WAC's (1990's) overexpansion of teams.
Money CANNOY BUYOUT CONSTANT JETLAG in ALL sports no matter how much a Stanford and UCLA thinks it can!
What if…
The PAC and Mt West are working together. When the PAC implosion first started, these conferences floated a relegation idea. Let’s say they’re looking at 3 conferences in a league.
PAC adds North TX, Rice, Tulsa, UTSA, Memphis, Tulane.
MWC adds Sam Houston, UTEP, NMSU, TX State
Big Sky stays as is
3, 12 team conferences to form a league
This league would include every FBS G6 team West of the Mississippi. MWC Champ moves to PAC. Big Sky champ moves to MWC. Lowest 2 from PAC and lowest 2 from MWC play, loser moves down. Hold a championship/relegation weekend where all games are televised and played in Vegas.
8 game conference schedule, 2 non-conference have to be against a team from each of the other conferences in the league. Every team has a protected rival that will be played each year regardless of if they’ve been relegated to a different conference. Other 2 games are of the team’s choosing out of conference.
Pros:
The PAC will always be competitive for not only that 5th spot, but possibly an opening round bye in the playoffs every year, especially if the ACC gets watered down.
With the dismantling of the AAC that this would cause, it wouldn’t be far fetched that the MWC champ could even make it in as an additional conference champ because the competition is going to improve the programs.
It will give FCS programs a chance to move up and compete in the FBS.
Another pro is $. How much would a championship weekend be worth to the media? For schools struggling to get media value, this would help them get closer to the big schools out there.
Cons:
Media valuations through relegation. But is it possible that the same media companies give a bid for the whole league so they’re not losing a market they want if they move up or down? These would still be considered different conferences with a legally binding agreement with each other for the relegation, so when a team moves up or down, their payment will change. But, if the same media is controlling all of them it won’t matter to that media company.
Another con is moving down. Would an OSU or WSU really sign an agreement where they could be at an FCS level? I don’t see this as a major problem for those schools. I could see them having a bad stretch and ending up in the middle tier MWC temporarily. But, it’s still FBS and I don’t see those programs faltering so badly they would be relegated to the FCS. For them, it’s risk vs reward, and the reward would be usually being a top dog in a highly competitive conference that would almost be guaranteed a playoff spot each year. This would be more of a problem for the UNM, NMSU, UH, Nevada type schools, I don’t know that they would want to sign onto something where they are potentially relegated into a good FCS league they may not get out of.
Perfect name for the league:
The Big Mountain Pac (Big Sky, MWC, PAC 12)
Get off the Q-Anon juice,
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