I mean, it makes sense? High melee attack means it'll grind down other infantry better, whereas units with high melee defense can be used to push forewards and disrupt enemies and formations. It's not an uncommon trend in tactics games, that in two similar units, the one with better offensive stats is best used more defensively, and vice versa.
I think the Coatl is based off an Aztec God known as "Quetzacoatl", which is described as being a flying, feathered colorful snake. I think that's pretty cool.
THAT'S why the Oracle had to be on the expensive mount - CA clearly don't want Lizardmen to get healing without either losing their lord spot or having to go thin on the build.
@@zebjensen4251 it's not that it was too powerful but that it was repurposed into something to stop rampage which was a much bigger problem for the Lizardmen than damage was
The Coatl is an anti-artillery tech unit, with the stalk aura and the urannon's thunderbolt, will be very useful in team games when the Empire player is guaranteed to bring at least 4 hellstorm rocket batteries.
Lorewise Lizardmen have the most OP characters amongst any race. It's the same situation as placing an ancient kroxigor, able to repel entire demonic armies, against some bum in a furry coat with bow. And expecting it to be a fair fight.
If you saw the trailer Oxyotl is literally fucking smiling at Taurox meaning not worried in the slightest because he knows his weakness. He has a perfect ass shot in his weak spot which will one shot his ass like how Markus Wulfhart cucked Taurox just like that in the End Times.
@@Prushinthespirit yeah, is hard to have characters that have known the gods and lived for thousands of years and scale them down to fight a punny 40yo human, rat or whatever.
@@diousthomas8878 I know! The Trog was most likely inspired by JP3, which came out in 2001, plenty of time to draw inspiration from. If they had a white colour people would compare it to the Indominus from Jurassic world, so it’s nice to know that CA is in on the joke.
Troglodon is a copy of the Games Workshop Age of Sigmar model. And the GW Troglodon and Carnosaur share the same body, except of head end of tail and back sail
I'm not sure how to feel about these Chameleon Stalkers, like I enjoy the idea of more aggressive/viable miners with blasting charges, but their stats seem so mediocre, and only two shots seems pretty restricting.
I honestly need to see them in action before I pass judgment on em. Missile damage on the unit card can be very misleading as it's affected by reload time. If they have a massive reload time, but each volley is able to nearly delete lesser costing infantry units (like the 300-400 cost range), then they'll definitely have some viable uses. Or if the exploitations have such mass that they break cavalry's charges, they can also be invaluable. Tho yeah, with 2 ammo and those melee stats at an over 600 cost, I doubt they'll be as much of an auto include in many multiplayer armies as miners with blasting charges is.
@@WondderWaffel "Missile damage on the unit card can be very misleading as it's affected by reload time." Nah, missile damage is per 10 seconds, not per shot. Missile damage is, however, effected by unit size, and missile damage can be quite misleading and fiddly when it comes to stuff with explosive damage which is more complicated.
@@ninetailedfox579121 yeah, I need more rats in my life. People may hate 'em, but holy cow do I love them (but I totally understand why we needed a dward/BM update)
@@sadisticbadger1287 At least we already know we're getting Thanquol in WH3. Now that the Beastmen and somewhat the Dwarfs have their improvements I can almost see Wulfrik sitting in the corner waiting (im)patiently for his time.
Yeah, I dislike this interpretation of it. Doesn't look like a sacred being to me. Just a stretched out chicken. Guess modders will fix this poopy design.
Birds evolved from Serpents and other Dinosaurs according to Darwin, so maybe he is the lost form in Evolution? I personally like his head, its has many similarities to Basilisk.
For the Coatl I get High Elf vibes more than a Lizardmen one. If the head was a snake rather than a bird it be much better design wise. Big Bird snake is adorable.
Well the arcane phoenix is from Lustria, where the Lizardmen reside, so that kinda makes sense :) Maybe arcane phoenixes evolved from coatls? Would be neat
New strat with the coatl, charge the enemy with 3 coatls coming from 3 different directions hide a bunch of carnosaurs under one and nothing under the other two enemy will basically have to either split their forces in expectation of facing something under each one or just pick one to bank on and risk being wrong.
There are two main pronunciations of Coatl, considering that the Mesoamericans who once spoke it are gone and we only have hearsay: one pronunciation is just to say the word "coat" and tack an L sound at the end. The other, my preferred version, is "ko-wattle," with emphasis on the second syllable.
I don't think there's a w sound. The Spaniards wrote down w sounds as "hu" when they started writing Mesoamerican languages. That's what Nahuatl is pronounced with a w sound.
the lizardmen stuff is kind of underwhelming, the skinks and the dinos just seem a bit more of the same without anything really setting em apart, the coatl is cool but overall kind of feels like they could have just addressed another faction instead. The beastmen stuff is cool though, a bunch of new things that will make the usual tactics against them a bit harder, being hit in the rear with cav while the front line has to deal with those monstrosities is gonna make their aggressive rushes that much more lethal. Do hope overall a few things have been rebalanced just to bring some stuff up to par too tho
I kind of feel the same. The lizardmen were already in an okay spot in the game. Not great but they did alright. And aside from the coatl the new units here just seem to be more of the same overpriced for their stats usual. And they’ve unfortunately gotten the short end of the stick in all 3 of their dlcs now. I would have preferred either vampires or dwarfs go against the beast boys this round to get them brought up to pace and hold of on Oxyotl for next game. But it is what it is.
@@mechanicobra To be honest I love the new additions to the Lizardmen. Down sides More skinks that are useless. 2 ammo is not enough even with 75 damage, lack of ap damage also means they will tend to waste that ammo on lower value targets as the high value units will be armored. You simply do not find many high value low armored targets apart from very specific factions. I would have liked them to have stalk though (my bad they do its just not mentioned) Upside Hero healer, This is insane qol improvement. No more slann being the only healer. Bird gives stalk to ground units, this is nice for campaign not so much for multiplayer as bunched up inf are not great. Would have loved to have seen some fast calv though.
@@generalharness8266 While I like the units themselves, I feel like they aren't going to be nearly as useful as they could/should be. Chameleon Stalkers kind of miss the point of chameleon skinks and fail to deliver an ap ranged unit which the lizardmen really needed. The coatl is pretty cool and will likely be super useful in campaign if you can get it a good starting position. But in multiplayer trying to get a surprise carnosaur or other dino into your enemy is going to be super predictable when they see it in your roster and not on the field. The skink oracle is pretty cool but I don't know if his price is worth what he delivers. Which is the problem I constantly come up to with the lizards. They're kind of pigeonholed into mediocrity because all their good units are more expensive than the other factions good units. And some of them aren't even very good at what they do. The carnosaur gets dumpstered by most other single entity monsters except the terrorgeist. And if the carnosaur is meant to be a cav chaser like the geist is then it needs to be less expensive. The lizardmen are my favorite faction and I doubt anything will ever change that but from the outset of the game its seemed they have been middle of the bunch in terms of strength. And while I totally get this was definitely the beastmen's much needed update and they definitely got it, from what I've heard they're actually pretty OP now. But that's jut it, every other game 2 race has gotten an update to make them a top line faction, lizardmen seem to have just been playing second fiddle the whole time. That's why I really hope they still have a dlc in game 3 to give them a boost to true strength, should have been Oxyotl but I guess it'll have to be Tetto'eko now if it happens. But yeah that's just how I look at them. I love them to death but would like them to be better. Though I guess that's how everyone feels about their favorite faction.
Thos models overall look very good, with 2 big let down tho. 1) the Doombull was CLEARLY meant to have a big wieght at the end of hi chain to use it as a flay, and just like with Tretch they just cut it off, but this time it really looks silly with him looking like he is empty handed and just swing a small chain around. 2) That Coatl... what the fuck happen here. Who thought that was a good design? What the hell?! Just do a giant snake with wings and Aztek motifs like what Lost Kingdom did. What CA came up with not only looks god awful, but also doesn't fit AT ALL with the rest of the Lizardmen aesthetic. 3) Something went wrong with the Pale Death, it was clearly meant to be albinos, like what Troglodon were usually painted as on TT, we even saw it on the teaser video, but for some reason they changed it last second...
The jabberslythes aura of madness was a lazy translation of the tabletop version where it makes the enemy deranged and gives the enemy extra attacks but chance to do damage to themselves with every attack. The lore says that to stare at a jabberslythe too long plunges one into permanent insanity, so it would be cool if it caused enemy units to go into rampage or alike
@@UNDEADaaron I mean, it's really weird. Coatl is supposed to be an avatar of Tepok, Ancient deity for lizardmen. Them, lizards, worshiping giant birb is akin to Aztecs worshipping Brazilian football players or something.
An idea if you get time, you should edit these dlc vids into your old faction guides, they are great and I’ll usually watch one before starting a new campaign, especially for factions I haven’t played in a while, but it can be a bit of a pain finding all the skaven vs skaven dlc videos after finding one.
IMO, way more units need the snipe ability. At the moment there's only 4 or 5 of them, when really it should be fairly standard among units with Stalk.
Agrees, I was disappointed by the beak. The art on the warhammer page doesn’t have it (warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Coatl), and actual mythological wing serpents don’t have it either. I think they’re just reusing upcoming Tzeentch assets, but with all the Dinos around I would assume a snake head wouldn’t be too hard. I hope they at least remove those side fins, they really make it so lame.
Thanks for the vid, I hope in the future more ppl do mouseover of abilities and stats when a unit has a bonus. I watched maybe 3 vids about unit stats and am still trying to figure out how much bonus vs large gorgon has and how much bonus vs inf jabberslythe has.
They're there as support probably to red crested skinks, who are pretty much support units as well... so support + support = new frontline? Lizardmen are in a weird situation because their Saurus Warriors are already the best of the best basic infantry, so now they're just being given anything to support their support units lol. It's fine imo, Lizardmen roster is ridiculously stacked already so i'm cool with more variety.
Looks like they'll be good as flanking units. They are quite fast for mellee infantry, so getting around enemies tied into a fight with saurus warriors, charging their backs with the poison attack to weaken them further seems like a good idea + hunting down fleeing infantry with their speed and poison. The ranged...is kind of weird, but if it really is explosive then 2 shots might do some good damage to low tier low armour infantry before engaging.
Like Zerkovich said they fire on the move, so you can give them an attack order, and they will fire as they charge. Once charge bonus is spent they can withdraw and will fire on the move again. Because they are stealthy they can be used on the flanks, and during the early campaign when there are a lot of low quality units they can, hopefully? Yes, hopefully, tear into low quality infantry from the rear, once other units lock them in combat. - Not sure if they are any good, but if they prove to be absolute trash perhaps they will be buffed in a balance patch. I have my doubts as to their usefulness simply because there are other Lizardmen units that are better flankers once you unlock tier 3 and 4 buildings. These look like an early campaign one-trick pony.. erh.. skink. At least they have 75 missile damage and exploding ammo. Could be good for a laugh at least.
@@aimannorzahariwod I would actually go with skink/amazon culchan riders instead of stalkers while buffing cold one riders to make them more tanky. So you'd have an option for cheaper, slightly more mobile despite being weaker, chav unit.
I wanted Oxyotl earlier already, so this is just pure win for me. He's skill sounds awesome and it's going to be the first playthrough for me. Beastmen get some awesome stuff also, and the new improved faction mechanic is a must play.
I thought Taurox would have a bronze or silver shield when he blocked Oxyotl's shot in the trailer. But was disappointed that it turned out he didn't have that.
He blocked the shot with one of his axes not sure how that would give the impression he would have a shield? Also not sure why he would need a shield considering his is literally made from metal.
@@scl9671 Bruh, he's shown that he can block shots with his axe. Which is just like the swordmaster of hoeth that can block shots with their swords and getting bronze "shield". They don't need "shields" to get their blocking mechanic. Either you're new to the game or you're just plain ignorant to talk like I wouldn't get that "impression" why.
I wonder. Lorewise mazdsmundi took a coatle egg with him to batle. He could break it to summon a coatle that will dart to enemy lines destroying them. I want to see that in game
I mean dude is not a true spellcaster, he will have a hard time with spells because if that but the fact that he has some very good buff spells of Beasts, Heavens, Life, and more just makes up for it.
I think any shield adds to the overall melee defence instead of giving a specific value. This should be the case for the Wargor hero. He must have low base melee defense.
some of these new units could use a little more polish in my opinion 11:14 The Skink Oracle on the Troglodon looks really off when the beast moves to sniff the air. It looks like that Skink is not really animated properly. 5:06 the Tuskgors on the chariots are annoyingly off center. 7:24 that long tongue of his is clipping all over the place. None of this would really be seeable from a distance though and I am still looking forward to trying out these new DLC units
You would just be missing out on the other LL's for the campaigns so only able to select Taurox for ME campaign. I'm not sure if you could use the bloodstone stuff to get the LL's in the Taurox campaign without having the DLC but probably not. So yeah just limits your lord choice I think.
But why doesn't the normal Troglodon have primeval roar? IIIRC it was a big deal for them in TT , were the Oracle on Troglodon was a unit and not a hero btw (also the ONLY way to field a Trog). Seems kind of wierd to limit one of their defining characteristics to the RoR.
I was little disappointed that Beastmen didn't get that flying unit with deer horns (I don't remember name) and that ground unit with deer horns too. Then there was that hero that they came from green moon. I think Beastmen didn't get enough to rise from bottom, only getting Jabberslythe, Ghorgon and some RoR. They should've also gotten basilisk and cockatrice.
"More melee attack than melee defence, this is usually a trait of a defensive unit"
I guess a good defense is the best offense?
He is kinda right tho, a dead enemy can't harm you lmao
@@lucho6883 it was just a lapsus though, because the jabberslythe has more melee defense than melee attack.
I mean, it makes sense? High melee attack means it'll grind down other infantry better, whereas units with high melee defense can be used to push forewards and disrupt enemies and formations.
It's not an uncommon trend in tactics games, that in two similar units, the one with better offensive stats is best used more defensively, and vice versa.
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 you missed the part then where the stats don't reflect his statement at all. The creature has way more melee defense
the coatl is really cool. A lizard version of a protoss mothership!
I barely played Starcraft II and yet that was still the first thing I thought of when I heard about the Coatl.
Nah, the Arbiter came first.
@@sexyitalian891
yes more like an Arbiter.
just without cloaking allowing attacks and close range...as here u will be detected when u r close!
I think it might be a test for the Cathay dragons. It's not all that different in body shape outside of the wings and lack of limbs.
I think the Coatl is based off an Aztec God known as "Quetzacoatl", which is described as being a flying, feathered colorful snake.
I think that's pretty cool.
THAT'S why the Oracle had to be on the expensive mount - CA clearly don't want Lizardmen to get healing without either losing their lord spot or having to go thin on the build.
Regenerating dinos sure is a scary thought
That and I believe the Oracle in TT always stayed on mount, no matter what
@@victordesena9763 Yup, Oracles are always mounted on a Troglodon. OC is either kinda pointless or OP is clueless but it's funny I'll give it that.
they used to have a regeneration ability. they don't anymore as it was too powerful. I can understand why.
@@zebjensen4251 it's not that it was too powerful but that it was repurposed into something to stop rampage which was a much bigger problem for the Lizardmen than damage was
How the Warghor doesn't do armour piercing damage with his mace is beyond me
Same thing with Lance but no anti large?
Yeah morning stars were invented for the purpose of piercing armor, and that one is comically large
@@omikamiz568 a lance is made to pierce infantry, not cavalry or monsters.
Yeah, nothing new though with total war games unfortunately :/
Can't have the Beastmen getting reliable access to AP, now can we?
Hovering over the icons would have been most informative.
I really agree. I told myself his mouse died thats why.
The Coatl is an anti-artillery tech unit, with the stalk aura and the urannon's thunderbolt, will be very useful in team games when the Empire player is guaranteed to bring at least 4 hellstorm rocket batteries.
Narrator: The Coatl was actually a doomstack.
I love how the Dark Gods just troll the Lizardmen by wasting their most experienced and hardy fighter on some huge mentally challenged cow
Lorewise Lizardmen have the most OP characters amongst any race.
It's the same situation as placing an ancient kroxigor, able to repel entire demonic armies, against some bum in a furry coat with bow. And expecting it to be a fair fight.
@@Prushinthespirit and in age of sigmar they just said let's buff this in the lore
If you saw the trailer Oxyotl is literally fucking smiling at Taurox meaning not worried in the slightest because he knows his weakness.
He has a perfect ass shot in his weak spot which will one shot his ass like how Markus Wulfhart cucked Taurox just like that in the End Times.
@@Prushinthespirit yeah, is hard to have characters that have known the gods and lived for thousands of years and scale them down to fight a punny 40yo human, rat or whatever.
Given how he died in canon, just a chameleon skink should be enough to kill him
It makes sense that the Jabbslythe is more defensive, because I assume it is supossed to stay in melee and do damage with the aura.
Basically what the Bastiladon should be! Bad for charging around, but a true ankor standing in the middle of the line and tanking whatever comes.
The RoR Carnosuar and Troglodon are jurassic park recolours it's not even subtle 😂
Oh god you’re right. The Carno is even green, like the rex that gets wasted by that big legged hybrid.
@@tompotter8703 The Spino which the Pale Death is literally based off.
@@diousthomas8878 I know! The Trog was most likely inspired by JP3, which came out in 2001, plenty of time to draw inspiration from. If they had a white colour people would compare it to the Indominus from Jurassic world, so it’s nice to know that CA is in on the joke.
Troglodon is a copy of the Games Workshop Age of Sigmar model. And the GW Troglodon and Carnosaur share the same body, except of head end of tail and back sail
@@tompotter8703 I know.
And that is awesome, even the name for the ROR Carnosaur is a reference to Jeff Globum.
1. The Coatl is actually quite cute.
2. The pale death looks like the Jurassic Park 3 Spinosaurus.
I thought the same haha
@@AwesomeJedi182 Is it actually BASED, not just a coincidence?
Troglodons are inspired by Spinosaurus, with their sails and semi-aquatic lifestyle.
I dont think CA understands the definition of pale.
They decided to make a JP3 reference, since the Troglodon was inspired by the JP3 Spinosaurus.
Troglodytes...
Tbf he *is* more pale than the reg troglodon
Well, it is blind
They also made the sensory spines actual horns in game, really showing there knowledge of lore here
Are we sure the Skink Oracle isn't just a stuffed dummy? they barely move at all
I saw this and was like “it can’t be that bad” so I went back in the video and oof it’s that bad
Well I believe this is a beta version which is subject to change.
O...M...G... you just reveal the dark secret. Maybe the troglydons are self aware.
All the animation money went into beastmen monsters, lizardmen got screwed
@@ott6444 lol it all went into the Ghorgon falling down animation that it uses every 5 seconds😂😂😂
Coatl with Dread Saurian beneath to flank should be fun ;)
Send two coatls so the enemy has to guess which one they should worry about
I'm not sure how to feel about these Chameleon Stalkers, like I enjoy the idea of more aggressive/viable miners with blasting charges, but their stats seem so mediocre, and only two shots seems pretty restricting.
Yeah I was hopin they're would be a really elite tier 4 unit. Something for skink-focussed Lords/LL's to take in the lategame.
I honestly need to see them in action before I pass judgment on em. Missile damage on the unit card can be very misleading as it's affected by reload time.
If they have a massive reload time, but each volley is able to nearly delete lesser costing infantry units (like the 300-400 cost range), then they'll definitely have some viable uses.
Or if the exploitations have such mass that they break cavalry's charges, they can also be invaluable.
Tho yeah, with 2 ammo and those melee stats at an over 600 cost, I doubt they'll be as much of an auto include in many multiplayer armies as miners with blasting charges is.
@@WondderWaffel "Missile damage on the unit card can be very misleading as it's affected by reload time."
Nah, missile damage is per 10 seconds, not per shot. Missile damage is, however, effected by unit size, and missile damage can be quite misleading and fiddly when it comes to stuff with explosive damage which is more complicated.
I see them as a more mobile zombie pirate bombers
Spirit of Tepok VS Arcane phenix, beauty contest
"At last, a worthy opponent ! Our fight shall be LEGENDARY !!!"
Everyone: Beastmen rework!!!
Me: More scaly bois, yay.....
me too me too
Love the earth blood on a hero. Slan are not going to be auto select now.
Need more skaven, yes-yes.
@@ninetailedfox579121 yeah, I need more rats in my life. People may hate 'em, but holy cow do I love them (but I totally understand why we needed a dward/BM update)
@@sadisticbadger1287 At least we already know we're getting Thanquol in WH3.
Now that the Beastmen and somewhat the Dwarfs have their improvements I can almost see Wulfrik sitting in the corner waiting (im)patiently for his time.
So the Coatl is just a Protoss Arbiter?
Yep! But without the stasis ability that can freeze both enemy of friendly units.
I am a bit sad about the Coatl's look.
I'd have preferred the classic feathered snake without a bird's head.
Otherwise: cool stuff
anyone else thinks the head of the coatl looks way too much like a chicken head? isn't it suppose to be a serpent?
Yeah, I dislike this interpretation of it. Doesn't look like a sacred being to me. Just a stretched out chicken. Guess modders will fix this poopy design.
Birds evolved from Serpents and other Dinosaurs according to Darwin, so maybe he is the lost form in Evolution? I personally like his head, its has many similarities to Basilisk.
For the Coatl I get High Elf vibes more than a Lizardmen one.
If the head was a snake rather than a bird it be much better design wise.
Big Bird snake is adorable.
Well the arcane phoenix is from Lustria, where the Lizardmen reside, so that kinda makes sense :)
Maybe arcane phoenixes evolved from coatls? Would be neat
New strat with the coatl, charge the enemy with 3 coatls coming from 3 different directions hide a bunch of carnosaurs under one and nothing under the other two enemy will basically have to either split their forces in expectation of facing something under each one or just pick one to bank on and risk being wrong.
That like 6000 gold for just the 3 Coatls.
love how the bloodbrute has khornate armor what a nice extra addition
7:16 But Zerkovich. I see more melee defense than melee attack.
yeah he fumbles the first part, but he says it's a defensive unit
There are two main pronunciations of Coatl, considering that the Mesoamericans who once spoke it are gone and we only have hearsay: one pronunciation is just to say the word "coat" and tack an L sound at the end. The other, my preferred version, is "ko-wattle," with emphasis on the second syllable.
I don't think there's a w sound. The Spaniards wrote down w sounds as "hu" when they started writing Mesoamerican languages. That's what Nahuatl is pronounced with a w sound.
@@TacticusPrime I didn't mean a hard w, but something like that: ko-attle.
Wow, it looks like the skink oracle is completely un-animated.
Hype for Taurox and the rework!
Doombull's charge and fighting stance are pure art
I really love that pronunciation of Coatl
Not sure I like the look on the forked tongue for the Coatl, it just sticks out even when supposed to be in the mouth.
For a moment i thought it was whiskers! Holy shit youre right
yeah that was bothering me as well
yeah, not a fan of the face fins or the beak either.
Great Bray Shaman looks like his textures haven’t loaded yet, and his staff is misaligned with his grip
Half baked FLC
@@Yes4HumanRace particularly his sparkling white hood which must be magic because they don't have persil at a herdstone
@@Yes4HumanRace It’s still in beta, so it’ll probably get fixed
Wasn't really impressed by taurox either, the texture work looks kinda muddy.
the spittle that flies out of the Doombull's mouth turns instantly to snow
Lizardman just became more OP ! love it
Amazing how many mods have been just integrated into the vanilla build, from lords to units, mechanics and such
A Jeff Goldbloom reference in a Total War game. I've seen it all. Good to see that CA is not afraid to meme on us.
I'm excited for the DLC but I'm also terrified bc no one's mentioned if Rakarth gets any of these new monsters
Probably o.0
I would have liked anti large bestigors for the beastmen.
Isn't there a RoR doing that ? Or maybe you meant as a "standard" unit where you could bring as many as you'd want to
the lizardmen stuff is kind of underwhelming, the skinks and the dinos just seem a bit more of the same without anything really setting em apart, the coatl is cool but overall kind of feels like they could have just addressed another faction instead.
The beastmen stuff is cool though, a bunch of new things that will make the usual tactics against them a bit harder, being hit in the rear with cav while the front line has to deal with those monstrosities is gonna make their aggressive rushes that much more lethal.
Do hope overall a few things have been rebalanced just to bring some stuff up to par too tho
I kind of feel the same. The lizardmen were already in an okay spot in the game. Not great but they did alright. And aside from the coatl the new units here just seem to be more of the same overpriced for their stats usual. And they’ve unfortunately gotten the short end of the stick in all 3 of their dlcs now. I would have preferred either vampires or dwarfs go against the beast boys this round to get them brought up to pace and hold of on Oxyotl for next game. But it is what it is.
@@mechanicobra To be honest I love the new additions to the Lizardmen.
Down sides
More skinks that are useless. 2 ammo is not enough even with 75 damage, lack of ap damage also means they will tend to waste that ammo on lower value targets as the high value units will be armored. You simply do not find many high value low armored targets apart from very specific factions. I would have liked them to have stalk though (my bad they do its just not mentioned)
Upside
Hero healer, This is insane qol improvement. No more slann being the only healer.
Bird gives stalk to ground units, this is nice for campaign not so much for multiplayer as bunched up inf are not great.
Would have loved to have seen some fast calv though.
@@generalharness8266 While I like the units themselves, I feel like they aren't going to be nearly as useful as they could/should be.
Chameleon Stalkers kind of miss the point of chameleon skinks and fail to deliver an ap ranged unit which the lizardmen really needed.
The coatl is pretty cool and will likely be super useful in campaign if you can get it a good starting position. But in multiplayer trying to get a surprise carnosaur or other dino into your enemy is going to be super predictable when they see it in your roster and not on the field.
The skink oracle is pretty cool but I don't know if his price is worth what he delivers.
Which is the problem I constantly come up to with the lizards. They're kind of pigeonholed into mediocrity because all their good units are more expensive than the other factions good units. And some of them aren't even very good at what they do. The carnosaur gets dumpstered by most other single entity monsters except the terrorgeist. And if the carnosaur is meant to be a cav chaser like the geist is then it needs to be less expensive.
The lizardmen are my favorite faction and I doubt anything will ever change that but from the outset of the game its seemed they have been middle of the bunch in terms of strength. And while I totally get this was definitely the beastmen's much needed update and they definitely got it, from what I've heard they're actually pretty OP now. But that's jut it, every other game 2 race has gotten an update to make them a top line faction, lizardmen seem to have just been playing second fiddle the whole time. That's why I really hope they still have a dlc in game 3 to give them a boost to true strength, should have been Oxyotl but I guess it'll have to be Tetto'eko now if it happens. But yeah that's just how I look at them. I love them to death but would like them to be better. Though I guess that's how everyone feels about their favorite faction.
Thos models overall look very good, with 2 big let down tho.
1) the Doombull was CLEARLY meant to have a big wieght at the end of hi chain to use it as a flay, and just like with Tretch they just cut it off, but this time it really looks silly with him looking like he is empty handed and just swing a small chain around.
2) That Coatl... what the fuck happen here. Who thought that was a good design? What the hell?!
Just do a giant snake with wings and Aztek motifs like what Lost Kingdom did. What CA came up with not only looks god awful, but also doesn't fit AT ALL with the rest of the Lizardmen aesthetic.
3) Something went wrong with the Pale Death, it was clearly meant to be albinos, like what Troglodon were usually painted as on TT, we even saw it on the teaser video, but for some reason they changed it last second...
Have to agree with you. Those two things threw me off as well.
Awesome video dude and up to date, keep up the good work
I'm surprised Oxyotl was able to find bugs to eat in that snow
Taurox: Only vulnerable spot on his body is this throat. Wears armour on shoulder.
The jabberslythes aura of madness was a lazy translation of the tabletop version where it makes the enemy deranged and gives the enemy extra attacks but chance to do damage to themselves with every attack.
The lore says that to stare at a jabberslythe too long plunges one into permanent insanity, so it would be cool if it caused enemy units to go into rampage or alike
What happens when a unit loses perfect vigor? Do they start to get tired when they lose it or this does fatigue accumulate in the background.
Man those new Lizardmen dinos look good.
And nice one with the jurassic park referece.
These new unit models and animations are incredible.
Gorgeous units, the artists are really profecient to add those to a RTS game with so many units on the screen...
Missed some details in here. Like the "aura of madness" from the Jabberslythes only works if the enemies have less than half leadership.
So it’s good at pushing down weakened enemies quickly. Nice
The troglodons regiment of renown is also a jurassic park reference as it's colour scheme and pattern is that of the Spinosaurus from Jurassic Park 3.
hyped asf for possibility of 'dread saurian surprise' using coatl
Eyeless dinosaur. I didn't see that coming LOL
This does something good since 2 certain lizardmen lords one dlc and 1 flc will finally have their full potential
man the Spirit of Tepok looks so cool
Nice to know the beastmen are finally getting some stuff, they’re pretty tough to play as it is
It would be nice if you included the base upkeep cost in those videos for us campaign players. I very much enjoy them anyway, so thank you!
Why does the coatl have a beak?? Isint it supposed to be a feathered serpent, beak looks out of place, tho its probably to late to make CA change it
It doesn't make much sense for a race of lizards but his miniature actually has a beak.
@@Prushinthespirit The DND version is the flying serpent i think. Also yeah I was expecting something bigger and more dragon like I guess
@@UNDEADaaron its very much looks like its miniature from tabletop.
@@UNDEADaaron yea, they just kinda refuse making actual snake head in the game.
@@UNDEADaaron I mean, it's really weird. Coatl is supposed to be an avatar of Tepok, Ancient deity for lizardmen.
Them, lizards, worshiping giant birb is akin to Aztecs worshipping Brazilian football players or something.
An idea if you get time, you should edit these dlc vids into your old faction guides, they are great and I’ll usually watch one before starting a new campaign, especially for factions I haven’t played in a while, but it can be a bit of a pain finding all the skaven vs skaven dlc videos after finding one.
IMO, way more units need the snipe ability. At the moment there's only 4 or 5 of them, when really it should be fairly standard among units with Stalk.
The coatl really shouldn't have a beak it's a snake for the most part I mean the lore art doesn't have a beak
Looks dumb
I think it's an archaeopteryx / birds are dinosaurs reference
@@Pawn2e4 an archaeopteryx beak doesn't look anywhere close to that
@@chaoseverchosen I said I think it's a reference, not an actual archaeopteryx
Agrees, I was disappointed by the beak. The art on the warhammer page doesn’t have it (warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Coatl), and actual mythological wing serpents don’t have it either.
I think they’re just reusing upcoming Tzeentch assets, but with all the Dinos around I would assume a snake head wouldn’t be too hard.
I hope they at least remove those side fins, they really make it so lame.
Thanks for the vid, I hope in the future more ppl do mouseover of abilities and stats when a unit has a bonus. I watched maybe 3 vids about unit stats and am still trying to figure out how much bonus vs large gorgon has and how much bonus vs inf jabberslythe has.
I don't quite understand the point of stalkers. Why do they have such low ammunition count and such terrible melee stats?
They're there as support probably to red crested skinks, who are pretty much support units as well... so support + support = new frontline? Lizardmen are in a weird situation because their Saurus Warriors are already the best of the best basic infantry, so now they're just being given anything to support their support units lol. It's fine imo, Lizardmen roster is ridiculously stacked already so i'm cool with more variety.
Looks like they'll be good as flanking units. They are quite fast for mellee infantry, so getting around enemies tied into a fight with saurus warriors, charging their backs with the poison attack to weaken them further seems like a good idea + hunting down fleeing infantry with their speed and poison. The ranged...is kind of weird, but if it really is explosive then 2 shots might do some good damage to low tier low armour infantry before engaging.
Like Zerkovich said they fire on the move, so you can give them an attack order, and they will fire as they charge. Once charge bonus is spent they can withdraw and will fire on the move again. Because they are stealthy they can be used on the flanks, and during the early campaign when there are a lot of low quality units they can, hopefully? Yes, hopefully, tear into low quality infantry from the rear, once other units lock them in combat.
- Not sure if they are any good, but if they prove to be absolute trash perhaps they will be buffed in a balance patch. I have my doubts as to their usefulness simply because there are other Lizardmen units that are better flankers once you unlock tier 3 and 4 buildings. These look like an early campaign one-trick pony.. erh.. skink. At least they have 75 missile damage and exploding ammo. Could be good for a laugh at least.
@@aimannorzahariwod I would actually go with skink/amazon culchan riders instead of stalkers while buffing cold one riders to make them more tanky.
So you'd have an option for cheaper, slightly more mobile despite being weaker, chav unit.
If the explosive damage is comparable to Dwarf Miners w blasting charges then they are going to be busted. Imagine blasting charges with stalk.
Never played the beast man but now i might give them a shot, i liked the lord and the new units.
These Chameleon stalkers reminds me of Hastati soldiers from house of julii etc.
Geez, Pale Death's ranged attack is froggin brootuhl.
better then a hysh.
I wanted Oxyotl earlier already, so this is just pure win for me. He's skill sounds awesome and it's going to be the first playthrough for me. Beastmen get some awesome stuff also, and the new improved faction mechanic is a must play.
BM seems like they have gotten most things they needed. Might be really strong in MP now.
The art department is KILLING it!
I thought Taurox would have a bronze or silver shield when he blocked Oxyotl's shot in the trailer. But was disappointed that it turned out he didn't have that.
He blocked the shot with one of his axes not sure how that would give the impression he would have a shield? Also not sure why he would need a shield considering his is literally made from metal.
@@scl9671 Bruh, he's shown that he can block shots with his axe. Which is just like the swordmaster of hoeth that can block shots with their swords and getting bronze "shield".
They don't need "shields" to get their blocking mechanic. Either you're new to the game or you're just plain ignorant to talk like I wouldn't get that "impression" why.
I love the coatl but I just hate the face… it’s supposed to be a flying serpent not a dragon with a bird face
14:44 Nailed it!
Due reminder that the Beastmen got a caster lord before the bleeding Empire.
"Ouh scheiße" love that line :DD
Where
Just feeding the algorithm. Thanks for another informative video.
Many more skinks and monsters... No new Saurus since Launch :'3
I wonder. Lorewise mazdsmundi took a coatle egg with him to batle. He could break it to summon a coatle that will dart to enemy lines destroying them. I want to see that in game
I kinda wish skin Oracle had a bit better spells but it's fine.
I mean dude is not a true spellcaster, he will have a hard time with spells because if that but the fact that he has some very good buff spells of Beasts, Heavens, Life, and more just makes up for it.
The Earthblood can be huge for Lizardmen in multiplayer. Now they might not have to bring a Slann just for heals.
@@rubz1390 True, although Slann is still a much better spellcaster in-general but Troglodon is still very good.
@@rubz1390 that is true
Seems like this only underlines the LM dependence on SLM. Which would be fine if that wasn’t already hard-capped in every competitive format…
Lol the wargor has a morning star and no ap
Hi folks, how do I recruit the Gorgon in the Campaign? I don't find any building to recruit it. :(
I think any shield adds to the overall melee defence instead of giving a specific value. This should be the case for the Wargor hero. He must have low base melee defense.
Can’t wait for this dlc, haven’t played beastman since they first come out, and haven’t played lizardmans in over a year lol
these unit details though. Just wow, why is no one talking about this
Still wish they all had primeval roar rather than just the RoR...
some of these new units could use a little more polish in my opinion
11:14 The Skink Oracle on the Troglodon looks really off when the beast moves to sniff the air. It looks like that Skink is not really animated properly.
5:06 the Tuskgors on the chariots are annoyingly off center.
7:24 that long tongue of his is clipping all over the place.
None of this would really be seeable from a distance though and I am still looking forward to trying out these new DLC units
Killing lizardman as brettonia was a struggle but now it seems impossie
@Zerkovich Wait where are the terror birds? Did you forget them or are they not here?
May i suggest showing base cost of characters (so without any abilities or spells equiped)
does our favourite lizard phrophet get a troggy mount?
yea I love his campaign.
Are tuskor chariots better than gnargors ?
Does anyone know what happens if i buy the The Silence & The Fury DLC but don´t have the Beastman DLC?
How would that work?
You would just be missing out on the other LL's for the campaigns so only able to select Taurox for ME campaign. I'm not sure if you could use the bloodstone stuff to get the LL's in the Taurox campaign without having the DLC but probably not. So yeah just limits your lord choice I think.
how is the wargor not amour piecing? It has a spiked mace that is used to pierce armour.
Taurox axes look sick as fuck.
But why doesn't the normal Troglodon have primeval roar? IIIRC it was a big deal for them in TT , were the Oracle on Troglodon was a unit and not a hero btw (also the ONLY way to field a Trog). Seems kind of wierd to limit one of their defining characteristics to the RoR.
I am a Lizardmen player through and through.
However, I have always had a soft spot for Minotaurs. This is quite the dichotomy.
Stay classy my friends
Love the coalt but mayeb it should get the upgraded thunderbolt. Regular one doesn’t do much damage at all if unit is armoured
I was little disappointed that Beastmen didn't get that flying unit with deer horns (I don't remember name) and that ground unit with deer horns too. Then there was that hero that they came from green moon. I think Beastmen didn't get enough to rise from bottom, only getting Jabberslythe, Ghorgon and some RoR. They should've also gotten basilisk and cockatrice.
Preyton, Elemental Incarnate of Beast and Moonclaw I guess.
@@C0C0L0QUIN Could be.
Baseballs for character skins. Neat.
What lores of magic does the skink oracle have access to?
Ah... the Coatl, the Mothership of the lizardmen
Wargor has the literal weapon meant for armor piercing. How in the hell he doesn't have armor piercing damage...
I don't really care for the beastmen but I'm so excited about Oxyotl! I can't wait to have some cute skink warfare!