As long as you truly recommend a particular product because you find it to be of high quality I think it's good content and you're not being a "shill". As always, great video Matt and thanks for doing a great job bringing us this content. Oh, and btw, I watch Texas Toast as well as Crimson, and Highline, BigD, Ken Parker etc. and it's all good. You can always learn something from everyone.
Great video Matt, but as a retired 40 year power tool repairman, it sounds like the router you used in the demo needs the bottom (fan end) bearing replaced. It'll be screaming pretty soon. Love watching and learning from you guys. Thanks
🐘didn't realize there even was an elephant emoji. I received a custom 24 as a gift so I always feel kind of spoiled thinking anything other than it is awesome but I always think of the following things. It was explained to me back then by a clever sales person that bands like Metallica were using them on their records. clearly just trying to trick a young me and it worked enough. It is a great guitar but PRS has so many amazing color and I have a cherry burst type thing going on, which is my least favorite color. So I never really get too excited about it. Another thing, the pickups, they have some sort of cloth that goes around them and I can always hear my hand rubbing on it.
I bought a couple of these bits in different sizes. I was disappointed that they were not as flush as other flush trim bits I have. If your piece does not have to be an exact copy then it might not matter.
I went on the website and ordered 2 before you made it through the entire cut. I just watched you rout through hard maple end grain with 0 router burn, I'm ordering multiples of the entire set of these incase they stop making them witch is what usually happens when I find a tool I love and use all the time. Thanks Matt and I told them I learned about the bit from you guys too.
Seems to me, the benefit of the compression aspect is reached when the center of the bit is within the thickness of the work piece. They sell shorter bits, making it possible for thinner stock. That bit looks to be perfect for body outlines. Great vid, I learn form all the guitar builders I watch on yt. You guys the most though.....haha...take care, be safe
Thanks for that. I’m looking at these bits for just that. On an acoustic neck with the angled head there is no choice but to run the bearing on the bottom, I make my templates out of 1/2 inch birch ply, which reduces the bit exposure a little. So I guess I just found a way to spend another $130, or that’ $180 Canadian, plus shipping😕
(Another) nice video, Matt. A couple questions: Would you feel safe using that bit in a handheld router? And what's a small, not-super-expensive router table you like for someone without a lot of space? Hey, if you'd rather make a video about choosing a router table, that's fine too. :-)
For what it’s worth, I bought a Craftsman aluminum table years ago garage sale cheap. Most parts were missing but I only wanted the table. Since I only use guided bit types I basically built a table around it to increase the surface area though it didn’t really need it. It serves every guitar making purpose for me. Pickguards, necks and bodies with a couple spiral bits and one 45d angle. I even use it to cut aluminum pickguards with bits dedicated to that effort.
People, be careful with that bit! Before routing a body with that type of tool make sure you know your stuff. Just saying that cause I did try to route a tele body with that bit the other day and almost killed myself doing the cut away, I didnt know you couldnt use that one faster than 1800rpm (I should have knowned) , I still own my fingers by luck. I started building guitars only a few months ago cause a piece of plywood was looking at me..
I would guess the thumbs down is not you. I have happened upon some very good, instructional videos that were just released a couple minutes before and had thumbs down.... and the video was 20-30 minutes long! I think there are some that just go around and think it's funny to thumbs down videos.
Up cut and down cut,, which do you prefer Matt? For a table router that is. Dig the shaper method! My next investment, although a new beloved pin router of my own would be bad ass!
I watch both and then some, it's all good for different things. Regarding the dislikes, I've heard it can be bots that do it but no idea how true that might be. I don't get why anyone would hit the thumbs down, if you don't like it don't watch!
They also have a 1.5" X 2" router bit. I have a 3 1/4hp table mounted router. Do you think it could handle routing out a body with the template? I've seen you do it with a shaper, and though you mentioned that a router might not be able to handle it.
Please consult the manufacturers of the various tools in question for actual advice. None of the things in these videos should be considered formal training or a substitute for training of any kind. Matt does not assume any liability for viewers actions.
I agree with you on screwing your template to the work as being better than tape and super glue. I have not had much luck with the tape method on my cnc router table. You can screw up your piece that you are working on as I have done. Turning a good piece of wood into scrape. You are giving good advise.
got one of these 70 bucks but they are nice , no tear out like you say around corner . only thing is there made in Taiwan , oh well what you gonna do . can't justify a really expensive bit bc building guitars is more a hobby , but do sell one once in awhile . and its two way tape for me no problems there .. lost a chunk out of my finger tip on a birds eye maple neck a few years ago , so when i seen you raise that bit up my you know what puckered up yikes
With my inexperience, I had a maple neck one go bang as I was doing round the headstock with a regular straight bit. Scared the bejeezus out of me. I bought a Whiteside Ultimate Trim bit which I think is similar and it’s made things so much better for me. Brilliant tools.
Matt. I have one of these 1.25 inch. Using on my overhead router without the pin. 1500 works well. My machine tops out at 5600, so perfect for the big bits. Video coming, soon as hand heals up from grinder mishap. I guess, using top or bottom bearing, I will workout. Suggestion?
@@TexasToastGuitars Whaaaat, no way. Next you're going to tell us that you are a regular real life human being, and that mistakes and revision are an important part of the learning process. Pshaw.
I believe you can use the bottom bearing so you never have to route into the grain. So use it to route with the grain and than when you can't anymore you just flip it over 🤓
How much further from the line would you want to get with the initial band sawing if you’re using that bit? You did get really really close! Could you leave it, say, 3mm? 5?
@@TexasToastGuitars I'll have to work on that, I think - Thanks for getting back to me :) I just found a UK distributor for these bits. Thanks for the fab video!
Nice video with good demonstration (as always). I can't figure out why anybody would leave a thumbs down. Matt and Chris are straight shooters who give out solid info. They turned me on to the folks at Bitterroot Guitars. No disappoinments here.
Great video and just in time. I found these bits on the internet a couple weeks ago and have been thinking of getting one but had not seen or heard of anyone using one. Thanks Matt
I like to use hot glue instead of tape or screws for mounting templates. 4 small spots of glue will hold alot and when your done use a tiny squirt of ascetone near the glue and it loses its adhesion. a sharp chisel dipped in ascetone will remove any residue.
I've been using infinity router bits for about 15 or 20 years. They also make some of the best saw blades I've used. I really like your videos and like the style that you do them. You seem very down to earth. Hope to take one of your classes soon. Thanks for all the info you give.
Thank you sir! I just ordered one-1.25. I'm trying to make a guitar using Osage Orange. I'm an arborist in Tennessee so I've been stockpiling wood. And I got a Woodmizer! Osage is I think the hardest (janka#) in the U.S. For fretboards and necks it makes sense. Not so sure about the body though...it's just HEAVY. Lots of tearout with the bits I've been using...
Just a quick comment Matt. I love your channel and content. I got a Whiteside Flush Trim Spiral up/down cut for my necks/bodies, but I was agonizing over going with this one or the Whiteside Ultimate Trim Combination Router Bit. I love the fact that you almost always answer comments and engage with your subscribers, that is worth a million dollars. Kudos
Thanks Barrett, we have used lots of those Whiteside bits and they are certainly good tools. I'll check them out... it's getting about time to order some new ones
I bought the big version but haven't used it in anger yet apart from a quick test. The quality of the cut was really nice, almost like a planed surface. Not cheap but you only have to not have 1 tear out episode and it makes it worth the money.
That’s a compression bit with the spiral going both ways. Helps prevent tear out. A good thing about the bearings on both ends is you can flip the workpiece over which is good if you need to follow grain direction. I’ve not used one of these myself, but that’s what all the woodworking guys say.
Matt, I use the same router bit as your "normal" one, and it works great. So I'm wondering if it's worth it to switch to this bit vs sticking with what I have - is there THAT much of a difference? I would certainly consider it once the bits I have wear out but would you suggest replacing my existing bits (I have 2 pretty new ones) with this one?
Very good and helpful video Matt. Thank you for this. I'm looking for a router for my table where i can use router bits with bigger shafts, like you do. What brand is the router u use for this video?
I'm sure I'd use screws too. Tapes and or glues involve more time spent to use, consumes more disposable stuff (more garbage) that costs more money that adds up. Two screws to secure a template take seconds to zip in and out; it's simple, cleaner and reliable.
One thing I've done at the end of the neck and other tricky areas is to use many passes, starting with a shallow pass and raising (or lowering) the bit by 1/4" or less with each successive pass. That way, the cutting area is pretty small, which reduces the odds of the bit biting into the wood and causing tearout. Then a pass with some sandpaper and all is well.
I would love to see your normal approach to neck heels if you don't like routers (abrasives vs. routers for tear-out reasons). If there is already a video about that, apologies for not spotting it first.
Yeah it's definitely a good idea to use your spindle sander on the end grain of your neck, I sand it till it's about the thickness of a business card the I rout it on the router table. I just think it looks much more professional when it's routed instead of sanded. That's a badass bit though.
Check with your local hardwood suppliers. NOT the "big box" stores. They do no have quartersawn wood. Do a Google search, for online dealers, of instrument woods.
Hey Matt. I'm a relative "Noob" to the custom guitar crafting world, though I did grow-up building grand concert hammered dulcimers in my father's shop. Similar skills, but the geometry is VASTLY different. I'm curious to know the rough thickness of your neck blank, as it appears to be almost 5/4" or so in the video...? But I'm thinking that's really chunky prior to truss rod route and fingerboard adhesion. Would you mind throwing the new guy a "material-management" bone, please sir? Thank you for the edu-ma-tainment content, brother!
Usually a fender style neck blank such as this it will be 3/4” thick with a 1/4” fretboard. If it’s a one piece, then 1”. And a 3/4” template is a bit more sturdy as well, rather than using a 1/4” template. I use both, depending on circumstance. These guys are awesome! I’ve found Lots of great info from them that’s helped my builds. This router bit is particularly good because of its slanted blades. Standard Straight blade bits will cause tear out really bad. I just ordered this bit in the 2” version so I can do bodies and necks with it.
As a machinist that would make me nope. I'm always surprised though that there's no second support at the top since routing tables have the room for it unlike drill presses and through hole tooling.
@@TexasToastGuitars I live in Cedaredge on the West side of the state. Close enough that I'm thinking of taking a week of vacation later this year and signing up for one of your classes. My first project is remodeling our kitchen, scratch building the cabinets. But I've been collecting awesome wood (close to $2k worth) for 15 years to build a pair of matching guitars, 6 and 12 string electric. I want to get at least a really good class in first before I attempt to waste good wood!
Another awesome video. Thanks. I’m so relieved to hear your comment on taping patterns to wood for machine use. I never considered using that method but when I saw it mentioned on the videos these days my first reaction was, really? because I was afraid the force of the machine would knock the pattern out of alignment at best or at worst cause a digit removing incident. I could feel your hesitation when you turned the neck upside down and had so much blade exposed. I was trembling just watching you. But then again, I was always a pussy around the machines. A healthy respect for the damage these machines can do to us is important especially when you do repetitive tasks. My grandfather was missing a couple of digits and there was a very experienced craftsman in the shop who was rushed to the hospital to have one of his fingers re-attached. I would say, listen to your gut, it’s correct.
@@marccarlin1 from my limited use of glue 'n' tape with a handheld router, I'll take screws any time I can. For one, line them up on a cavity and there's no way to leave nasty glue blobs... They suck on both the template and the workpiece! It does hold though. If you are in a bind and need to affix a template without screws for any reason, I'd say use it but go slow. But I don't have a router table and I wouldn't consider my advice at all relevant to any stationary machine for sure. Or much of anything for that matter! I always listen to my Spidey sense for safety stuff, it's literally saved my life multiple times (I'm an electrician) and will continue to do so... Unless it doesn't go off!
No one hits the thumbs down because they don't like YOU, "per se" Matt. Sometimes the videos are kind of short, and you're not on for a long enough time. It's disappointing to some.. They don't get enough Matt.. so they hit the thumbs down. It's really a compliment. A testament to your magnetic appeal. On this vid so far - no thumbs down.. That means plenty of Matt for everyone. (So far, anyway).
Thanks for your honesty Jim. (Matt.. I was aware that Jim did the thumbs down thing JUST to be a "dick", but, I wanted to spare you that detail. He really loves you.
** ALSO: The four other thumbs down now, besides Jim's, are surely because of this comment I left. Please consider those my full responsibility. (Good these guys don't know/or care that thumbs-up/thumbs-down are great for your algorithm - regardless the direction of the "thumb", huh)? Are dumb, mad people fun, or, what?!
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I've had mine over a yr now...great bit...touched it up a few times with a diamond credit card style hone with lapping fluid like new again.
Great tip!
As long as you truly recommend a particular product because you find it to be of high quality I think it's good content and you're not being a "shill". As always, great video Matt and thanks for doing a great job bringing us this content. Oh, and btw, I watch Texas Toast as well as Crimson, and Highline, BigD, Ken Parker etc. and it's all good. You can always learn something from everyone.
Very true!
Great video Matt, but as a retired 40 year power tool repairman, it sounds like the router you used in the demo needs the bottom (fan end) bearing replaced. It'll be screaming pretty soon. Love watching and learning from you guys. Thanks
🐘didn't realize there even was an elephant emoji. I received a custom 24 as a gift so I always feel kind of spoiled thinking anything other than it is awesome but I always think of the following things. It was explained to me back then by a clever sales person that bands like Metallica were using them on their records. clearly just trying to trick a young me and it worked enough. It is a great guitar but PRS has so many amazing color and I have a cherry burst type thing going on, which is my least favorite color. So I never really get too excited about it. Another thing, the pickups, they have some sort of cloth that goes around them and I can always hear my hand rubbing on it.
I've always been a glue and tape guy but like the idea of the screws. I'm guessing you counter sunk the holes but what screw do you use?
We use drywall screws
Lol. What's not to like? I'm looking up Infinity Tool. Thanks fer da vid!!!
You know I think the thumbs down are just guys wanting to keep you from getting the big head because they already have!
nice bit. Could you do a vid showing how to build a tilt back neck with kerf joint fit 25.5 scale?
I bought a couple of these bits in different sizes. I was disappointed that they were not as flush as other flush trim bits I have. If your piece does not have to be an exact copy then it might not matter.
I went on the website and ordered 2 before you made it through the entire cut. I just watched you rout through hard maple end grain with 0 router burn, I'm ordering multiples of the entire set of these incase they stop making them witch is what usually happens when I find a tool I love and use all the time. Thanks Matt and I told them I learned about the bit from you guys too.
I hear ya, every time I find something good they are out of stock HAHAHA
Seems to me, the benefit of the compression aspect is reached when the center of the bit is within the thickness of the work piece. They sell shorter bits, making it possible for thinner stock. That bit looks to be perfect for body outlines. Great vid, I learn form all the guitar builders I watch on yt. You guys the most though.....haha...take care, be safe
Great point!
Thanks for that. I’m looking at these bits for just that. On an acoustic neck with the angled head there is no choice but to run the bearing on the bottom, I make my templates out of 1/2 inch birch ply, which reduces the bit exposure a little. So I guess I just found a way to spend another $130, or that’ $180 Canadian, plus shipping😕
Glad I could help my friend
Ben Crow shouldn't concern you much. You are putting out great content too.
Absolutely. Other luthiers are available :)
(Another) nice video, Matt. A couple questions: Would you feel safe using that bit in a handheld router? And what's a small, not-super-expensive router table you like for someone without a lot of space? Hey, if you'd rather make a video about choosing a router table, that's fine too. :-)
Yes, I second the router table video
Here's a DIY approach to homemade router table: ua-cam.com/video/RG1nXrBEwH0/v-deo.html
For what it’s worth, I bought a Craftsman aluminum table years ago garage sale cheap. Most parts were missing but I only wanted the table. Since I only use guided bit types I basically built a table around it to increase the surface area though it didn’t really need it. It serves every guitar making purpose for me. Pickguards, necks and bodies with a couple spiral bits and one 45d angle. I even use it to cut aluminum pickguards with bits dedicated to that effort.
Hi Jim, I would not use this in a router but I already have a table. I think the router table idea for a video is a good one
$49.90 is not a bad price, for that.
Rockler gets $59.99, for that size, with Straight flutes.
Give it a try
People, be careful with that bit! Before routing a body with that type of tool make sure you know your stuff. Just saying that cause I did try to route a tele body with that bit the other day and almost killed myself doing the cut away, I didnt know you couldnt use that one faster than 1800rpm (I should have knowned) , I still own my fingers by luck. I started building guitars only a few months ago cause a piece of plywood was looking at me..
Good advice, you should always be aware of your tools capabilities.
I would guess the thumbs down is not you. I have happened upon some very good, instructional videos that were just released a couple minutes before and had thumbs down.... and the video was 20-30 minutes long! I think there are some that just go around and think it's funny to thumbs down videos.
I think you are right
Up cut and down cut,, which do you prefer Matt? For a table router that is. Dig the shaper method! My next investment, although a new beloved pin router of my own would be bad ass!
I like the down cut bits for the router table
Good video. I thought while watching that I might consider adding handles to that template?????
You should always use handles if you have the chance
I watch both and then some, it's all good for different things.
Regarding the dislikes, I've heard it can be bots that do it but no idea how true that might be. I don't get why anyone would hit the thumbs down, if you don't like it don't watch!
Hard to say man
They also have a 1.5" X 2" router bit. I have a 3 1/4hp table mounted router. Do you think it could handle routing out a body with the template? I've seen you do it with a shaper, and though you mentioned that a router might not be able to handle it.
Please consult the manufacturers of the various tools in question for actual advice. None of the things in these videos should be considered formal training or a substitute for training of any kind.
Matt does not assume any liability for viewers actions.
Okay, thank you.
Is that a pic of Dan from "Guns and Guitars"?
I agree with you on screwing your template to the work as being better than tape and super glue. I have not had much luck with the tape method on my cnc router table. You can screw up your piece that you are working on as I have done. Turning a good piece of wood into scrape. You are giving good advise.
Thanks William
got one of these 70 bucks but they are nice , no tear out like you say around corner . only thing is there made in Taiwan , oh well what you gonna do . can't justify a really expensive bit bc building guitars is more a hobby , but do sell one once in awhile . and its two way tape for me no problems there .. lost a chunk out of my finger tip on a birds eye maple neck a few years ago , so when i seen you raise that bit up my you know what puckered up yikes
Yikes, you never know when things are going to get sideways
Dude you were making me nervous using the whole bit face. Quite dangerous.
disagree
With my inexperience, I had a maple neck one go bang as I was doing round the headstock with a regular straight bit. Scared the bejeezus out of me. I bought a Whiteside Ultimate Trim bit which I think is similar and it’s made things so much better for me. Brilliant tools.
Those are nice too
Matt. I have one of these 1.25 inch. Using on my overhead router without the pin. 1500 works well. My machine tops out at 5600, so perfect for the big bits.
Video coming, soon as hand heals up from grinder mishap.
I guess, using top or bottom bearing, I will workout. Suggestion?
If it is a versatile bit and costs nothing to a video maker but an advertising mention in a video... then a regular guy has to pay for it.
I never considered myself an irregular guy
Not bad for 5o bucks (USD) bout what I spend on any one bit anyway.
Pretty cool right
Thanks for the router tips.
At 2:25 should be eighteen thousand RPM
That's what I was thinking, routing at 1800 RPM would be slow going.
Sometimes I make mistakes
@@TexasToastGuitars Whaaaat, no way. Next you're going to tell us that you are a regular real life human being, and that mistakes and revision are an important part of the learning process. Pshaw.
@@TexasToastGuitars He who never made a mistake never did anything
I think that BradAngove uses something similar
He may indeed
I believe you can use the bottom bearing so you never have to route into the grain. So use it to route with the grain and than when you can't anymore you just flip it over 🤓
Works for me
How much further from the line would you want to get with the initial band sawing if you’re using that bit? You did get really really close! Could you leave it, say, 3mm? 5?
As close as you can get Nick
@@TexasToastGuitars I'll have to work on that, I think - Thanks for getting back to me :) I just found a UK distributor for these bits. Thanks for the fab video!
I just got the taller one like that for bodies. Totally worth the money
Give them a shot Gabe
Thanks Matt! I’ve seen shills on UA-cam and you’re definitely not one!
I appreciate that!
@@creamwobbly 🤣
1800 rpm max?????
Bro I just asked you to try these on your video the other day! John cofe the profit for the win boiiiiiiiiii
#mrs.toast
You already know!
Nice video with good demonstration (as always). I can't figure out why anybody would leave a thumbs down. Matt and Chris are straight shooters who give out solid info. They turned me on to the folks at Bitterroot Guitars. No disappoinments here.
Thanks a million John
you could give some folks solid gold and they'd bitch about the weight!
looks bad ass man.
Yes Ben Crowe is a super luthier, but there’s so much to learn here. Like the value and consistency of a good jig or template.
Not sure why anyone would call you a sheel, you pay for most of the stuff you post
I try to just tell people about the stuff we use?
50 dollars for the smaller version of this bit..89 for the larger...want one for sure!
that bit is big and scary !!!!
but it looks neat!!!
It's pretty cool alright
Great video and just in time. I found these bits on the internet a couple weeks ago and have been thinking of getting one but had not seen or heard of anyone using one. Thanks Matt
Glad I could help!
Do you always use your router table without a starter pin or just with this bit
I don't use a starter pin but I do like them, they are really helpful
1800 rpm? I don't think so...
I'm not sure what we are talking about here... But I'll agree with you
Dig it
Using the bottom bit looked scary to me.
It kinda was
I like to use hot glue instead of tape or screws for mounting templates. 4 small spots of glue will hold alot and when your done use a tiny squirt of ascetone near the glue and it loses its adhesion. a sharp chisel dipped in ascetone will remove any residue.
For hand held/plunge routers they also carry mini mega flush trim bits, 1/4" shank
Yep! I've got the upcut and downcut bits from Infinity. They have a lot of nice products in their catalog too.
Yes they do
I have several of the mega flush infinity bits as well as a similar one from CMT. Incredible.
Thanks Matt. I agree. Screw your templates.
That sounds different than what I said :)
I would have also accepted... "And the template you rode in on"
@@TexasToastGuitars HAHAAAA Matt you crack me up!! Great videos - best on UA-cam!
I've been using infinity router bits for about 15 or 20 years. They also make some of the best saw blades I've used. I really like your videos and like the style that you do them. You seem very down to earth. Hope to take one of your classes soon. Thanks for all the info you give.
I have been looking at this bit for weeks!
Impeccable timing
Dude I love your videos, but please stop shouting. No need to cheers X
It don't seem to bother everybody else. Should Matt do a video just for you on how to adjust your volume level?
That is the way I talk
Another excellent post good sir. Thanks for taking the time to share!
i received mein 2 days ago....
Awesome!
Right on! Great video as always, Matt
You rock!
That looks pretty good!
It is!
Did you mean to say 18,000RPM and not 1800RPM?
What can I say, sometimes I make mistakes
@@TexasToastGuitars No worries, good video...just checking, 1800 seemed awfully slow with a router and it sounded a lot faster.
Thank you sir! I just ordered one-1.25. I'm trying to make a guitar using Osage Orange. I'm an arborist in Tennessee so I've been stockpiling wood. And I got a Woodmizer! Osage is I think the hardest (janka#) in the U.S. For fretboards and necks it makes sense. Not so sure about the body though...it's just HEAVY. Lots of tearout with the bits I've been using...
I love osage orange we did a few things with it
Just a quick comment Matt. I love your channel and content. I got a Whiteside Flush Trim Spiral up/down cut for my necks/bodies, but I was agonizing over going with this one or the Whiteside Ultimate Trim Combination Router Bit. I love the fact that you almost always answer comments and engage with your subscribers, that is worth a million dollars. Kudos
Thanks Barrett, we have used lots of those Whiteside bits and they are certainly good tools. I'll check them out... it's getting about time to order some new ones
This video is pretty good.
Thanks Jeff
I bought the big version but haven't used it in anger yet apart from a quick test. The quality of the cut was really nice, almost like a planed surface.
Not cheap but you only have to not have 1 tear out episode and it makes it worth the money.
You got that right my friend
Good video and good looking bit
Thanks for watching James
That’s a compression bit with the spiral going both ways. Helps prevent tear out.
A good thing about the bearings on both ends is you can flip the workpiece over which is good if you need to follow grain direction.
I’ve not used one of these myself, but that’s what all the woodworking guys say.
I like it so far
Matt, I use the same router bit as your "normal" one, and it works great. So I'm wondering if it's worth it to switch to this bit vs sticking with what I have - is there THAT much of a difference? I would certainly consider it once the bits I have wear out but would you suggest replacing my existing bits (I have 2 pretty new ones) with this one?
Only you can decide, we use straight bits all the time too
Yeah, that bit is awesome.
Pretty good, right
Very good and helpful video Matt. Thank you for this. I'm looking for a router for my table where i can use router bits with bigger shafts, like you do. What brand is the router u use for this video?
I got that from Infinity Tools
I'm sure I'd use screws too. Tapes and or glues involve more time spent to use, consumes more disposable stuff (more garbage) that costs more money that adds up. Two screws to secure a template take seconds to zip in and out; it's simple, cleaner and reliable.
I like your style and I only saw Black Flag once but it was the best concert I ever saw
How did you get that 🤔🤔🤔
I’ve been waiting for quite a while now for mine ,( they’re out of stock 🙄)
Maybe they are in stock now?
Looks nice to work with. Is it more comparable to the shaper?
Going to watch some Sully Guitars now, thanks for the inspiration.
Not at all in the same league as the shaper... but it is a good too so far
I’ll watch yours AND Ben’s! Thumbs up both of you
Thanks Andre
One thing I've done at the end of the neck and other tricky areas is to use many passes, starting with a shallow pass and raising (or lowering) the bit by 1/4" or less with each successive pass. That way, the cutting area is pretty small, which reduces the odds of the bit biting into the wood and causing tearout. Then a pass with some sandpaper and all is well.
Great tip!
great info.
Thanks for watching!
I would love to see your normal approach to neck heels if you don't like routers (abrasives vs. routers for tear-out reasons). If there is already a video about that, apologies for not spotting it first.
Great suggestion!
Nice to see Brad and Dan making their regular appearances. I noticed Dan was so amazed he couldn't speak. Brad's jaw was almost hitting the floor!
That's true!
Yeah it's definitely a good idea to use your spindle sander on the end grain of your neck, I sand it till it's about the thickness of a business card the I rout it on the router table. I just think it looks much more professional when it's routed instead of sanded. That's a badass bit though.
Great tip!
Where i can Buy this type of wood?
Maple?
We get a lot of neck wood from Dan at Guitar Wood Experts. See link in video description
Check with your local hardwood suppliers.
NOT the "big box" stores. They do no have quartersawn wood.
Do a Google search, for online dealers, of instrument woods.
wow cool shop.
Thanks Fred
Hey Matt. I'm a relative "Noob" to the custom guitar crafting world, though I did grow-up building grand concert hammered dulcimers in my father's shop. Similar skills, but the geometry is VASTLY different. I'm curious to know the rough thickness of your neck blank, as it appears to be almost 5/4" or so in the video...? But I'm thinking that's really chunky prior to truss rod route and fingerboard adhesion. Would you mind throwing the new guy a "material-management" bone, please sir?
Thank you for the edu-ma-tainment content, brother!
Usually a fender style neck blank such as this it will be 3/4” thick with a 1/4” fretboard. If it’s a one piece, then 1”. And a 3/4” template is a bit more sturdy as well, rather than using a 1/4” template. I use both, depending on circumstance. These guys are awesome! I’ve found Lots of great info from them that’s helped my builds. This router bit is particularly good because of its slanted blades. Standard Straight blade bits will cause tear out really bad. I just ordered this bit in the 2” version so I can do bodies and necks with it.
@@mgcnashville6615 Thank you, kindly, Uriel. I really appreciate the info, as well as the product endorsement. I just ordered my own 2" bit
At 7:20 when you turn of the router and move the neck, on the table, your fingers looks like they are scary close to the bit.
I feel safe. Remember, I also speed up the footage
I’ve been using a 1” by 2” tall. Totally rocks!
They are really nice
Yeah man, I'm not tougher than you. When you cranked that bit up I was like "Nope! That looks sketchy AF!" 🤣
You know how people are on the internet though
As a machinist that would make me nope. I'm always surprised though that there's no second support at the top since routing tables have the room for it unlike drill presses and through hole tooling.
LOL. Is it OK if I like and respect BOTH you and Ben? ;)
Both great, different methods, both great, both extremely informative.
Absolutely!
@@TexasToastGuitars I live in Cedaredge on the West side of the state. Close enough that I'm thinking of taking a week of vacation later this year and signing up for one of your classes. My first project is remodeling our kitchen, scratch building the cabinets. But I've been collecting awesome wood (close to $2k worth) for 15 years to build a pair of matching guitars, 6 and 12 string electric. I want to get at least a really good class in first before I attempt to waste good wood!
That bit is so cool Angove's mouth is completely agape
HAHAHA I know right
I feel like go to my workshop and (try) make guitar tight now
You should man
Ive got no idea y you get soon much hate man...seem like a nice enough guy great video!
I get lots of hate mail
Thanks Matt and Mathew Miller, Mega Flush on order.
Hope you like them Rod
Pretty cool!!
Thanks Julian
That router bit is slick. And safer than the shaper. Nice tips at the end on preventing tear out. Thanks Matt & Matthew.
Thanks brotherman
Love this bit. I’ve got a few. Worth every penny!
Pretty nice right
1800? Not 18,000?
Yeah, sometimes I make mistakes
@@TexasToastGuitars I am one big mistake, key is catch as many as possible before anybody notices! Lol
Another awesome video. Thanks.
I’m so relieved to hear your comment on taping patterns to wood for machine use. I never considered using that method but when I saw it mentioned on the videos these days my first reaction was, really? because I was afraid the force of the machine would knock the pattern out of alignment at best or at worst cause a digit removing incident.
I could feel your hesitation when you turned the neck upside down and had so much blade exposed. I was trembling just watching you. But then again, I was always a pussy around the machines.
A healthy respect for the damage these machines can do to us is important especially when you do repetitive tasks.
My grandfather was missing a couple of digits and there was a very experienced craftsman in the shop who was rushed to the hospital to have one of his fingers re-attached.
I would say, listen to your gut, it’s correct.
The tape is pretty good but nothing like steal threads
@@TexasToastGuitars I’ll have to take your word for it because I never used it and I always respect experience over conjecture, even my own.
@@marccarlin1 from my limited use of glue 'n' tape with a handheld router, I'll take screws any time I can. For one, line them up on a cavity and there's no way to leave nasty glue blobs... They suck on both the template and the workpiece!
It does hold though. If you are in a bind and need to affix a template without screws for any reason, I'd say use it but go slow. But I don't have a router table and I wouldn't consider my advice at all relevant to any stationary machine for sure. Or much of anything for that matter!
I always listen to my Spidey sense for safety stuff, it's literally saved my life multiple times (I'm an electrician) and will continue to do so... Unless it doesn't go off!
No one hits the thumbs down because they don't like YOU, "per se" Matt. Sometimes the videos are kind of short, and you're not on for a long enough time. It's disappointing to some.. They don't get enough Matt.. so they hit the thumbs down. It's really a compliment. A testament to your magnetic appeal. On this vid so far - no thumbs down.. That means plenty of Matt for everyone. (So far, anyway).
I think Matt is awesome but I do it just to be a dick.
Thanks for your honesty Jim. (Matt.. I was aware that Jim did the thumbs down thing JUST to be a "dick", but, I wanted to spare you that detail. He really loves you.
** ALSO: The four other thumbs down now, besides Jim's, are surely because of this comment I left. Please consider those my full responsibility. (Good these guys don't know/or care that thumbs-up/thumbs-down are great for your algorithm - regardless the direction of the "thumb", huh)? Are dumb, mad people fun, or, what?!
Some people's kids...
Very nice! I can see this in my near future!
You should give it a look for sure
Cool looking bit thanks for sharing !
Thanks for watching John
Is it the 2” or 1.25” version? Thanks!
That one is the 1.25 bit. Matthew asked if he could send me one so I chose it since it was the least expensive.
@@TexasToastGuitars would you go for the longer bit for routing bodies?
@@drittal Ehhhh I don't know if I would or not. Maybe?
I appreciate content like this 👌
Thanks Mark