Thanks for the overview. -I wish we got anything beyond the base model in the US -I also wonder if the 2025 changes will be brought to the US -It's frustrating they gave it ride by wire but no cruise control. They also didn't fix the exhaust hanger, or give it tubeless wheels.
Indeed, the US priorities is a bit wierd at Yamaha. And cruise control would have been so easy to add. I am very careful with adding tech since once you get used to it, you don't want to go back. I have Popeye muscles now from 83k without cruise control 😂
I would be surprise to see this updated 2025 in the US, according to Yamaha history it will be available only in 2026... I'm still waiting for the World Raid 😞
She said in an Insta-Post that Yamaha actually organised the contact (motoritz) for her to get the reworked XT600. I think any brand promotion is good promotion. Yamaha is selling a lot of bikes because of their heritage in history (I just bought a T7 Rally).
Hm, wrong direction for me. Gained weight, Bad. Electronics, not needed, who need tractioncontrol having 70HP, it is wider, not good for me. I loved the implicity of the old T7. They didnt changed the more important stuff, like the exhaust hanger, reduce weight, fix frame problem, top heavy, etc. so nah - not my bike.
they mentioned that they fixed the hanger (nothing special as it is an easy fix on the current one) and de more narrow clutch cover is also a plus. But yeah step in the wrong direction for all the other things
For those who watched your 80,000 km review, you might remember these quotes: ‘I’m keeping this bike,’ ‘I’m not selling it because no one would pay its real value,’ and ‘I’ll reach 200,000 km.’ Correct me if I’m wrong here- I’m not against you upgrading, and I’m definitely not hating on it. I just think the change might not be a worthy upgrade. I’ve been following your channel because I’m interested in how you’ve developed the bike and learned to fix and maintain it. Whatever you decide, I’ll keep watching because I enjoy your content. Saludos desde México!
Seems like Yamaha isn’t listening to its market audience. We didn’t need ride modes on this bike but EVERYONE wants cruise control. All this extra tech they are shoving into this will only serve to drive cost higher and provide no real benefit to riders.
It is disappointing, but as an EFI tuner all you need is some tuning and a button added for cruise control. See companies like Veridian. Costs like $300 to add.
More parts, more problems. I did not need TC, CC, RM etc. That is not what makes this bike what it is. Those things only makes this bike what all other bikes are... ...The same.
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I don't need any cruise contoll - I want that robust bike. Leave it to Huskies, KTMš, BMWs - Yamaha can make "ADV" line with all the posh and wistles.... leave that Rally inspired bike alone!
Cruise Control oh the T7, Really? Cruise Control is pretty much useless on the bike imho. Adaptive Cruise Control yes, is great, but we are not talking about this...
Mid year, this year I've bought new T7 and managed to make whooping 1,500kms till now!!! 🤣 When the rumours of a new T7 came out I had sort of buyer's remorse but it is all gone now! 😂 Biggest difference to me are these square led's which I found round much prettier on old T7. I need to ride more, that's my new years resolution! ☺ Happy and safe riding to old T7, future new T7 and everyone else!
One of the really attractive aspects of the T7 was its Simplicity, its lack of electronics. The T7 moves in the direction of just another SUV type ADV bike? ABS proves more of a annoyance than all else. I don't need TC. And, CC? Really? On the dirt trails? What should have been improved on is the exhaust damper and sub frame. The sub frame should be detachable as a bolt on unit. And the damper perhaps be more integrated like the YZ 450.
The T7(whatever year) is just awesome. Most of the reviewers that complain about it get "free" bikes to use for review anyway. If we all went to the gym lost 30lbs, got more fit, rode more, learned to work on a bike... we could get closer to Pol Tarres than getting the latest "upgrade".
Like many, a bit concerned about the added electronics (will the ride by wire throttle still work after it was drowned into a muddy water pothole? And a bit disappointed that the exhaust fixing hasn’t changed…
As a short rider, the narrower saddle and slimmer clutch cover are welcome improvements. Electronic throttle for cruise control is nice. And I’m an absolute sucker for cosmetic improvements. But I’d happily trade ride modes and TCS for tubeless rims.
Added 3 kilos ..... why ? Maybe put some lead in the handlebars just to make it more top heavy , lol . Some will like the changes some won't . For now I will keep mine and get a lighter companion like a TW200 or CRF300L Rally , something easier to haul around and pick up when the inevitable happens .
The World Raid will be discontinued from what I got of information from Yamaha. So the Rally is a combination of the new T7 and the T7 Extreme. You will get chance to see the new Rally a lot this year, I have one in order 😂 I absolutely love the new look but I might do a decal swap. They say it will be delivered in March/April
If that is true, I absolutely made the right move by getting a new World Rally for a great price (promotion in Germany) a few weeks ago. The World Rally/World Raid is the real deal and so fantastically simple (dongle included). On top the World Rally is so freaking beautiful (paint job rocks). I absolutely love this bike. Mark my words...These bikes (WR) will be desired in a few years from now. I am happy that you are excited. I am happy for you. Personally I don't need and do not fancy the 2025 mods except the comeback of this great light blue. The current T7 is the modern XRV 750 Africa Twin made by Yamaha. That's why I love the current T7. Discontinuing the WR/WRally would be a shame and a big mistake. Guys in Australia for example absolutely love the WR because of its stability and more importantly because of its range. 16 litres are not enough in remote areas.
Only really good thing out of the box would be some roumors of better phone-connection to the display to use turn by turn navigation. On the other hand the the menu's and selcting what to to on my 24 is soooo clunky that i dont have any high hopes that Yamaha will do it better than a stand alone system with a tablet. So i guess not for me, i would not exchange any of the erlier models for this. And that makes me happy since i bought a 24 this year.
Go try Aprilia Tuareg 660 too. I used to drive T7 for 4 years, tried Aprilia and never looked back. Mostly use it on Baltic TET, so no easy conditions compared to Scandinavia, Finland etc.
Thanks for the walk-through! 👍 Guess I'm getting old as I'm so, so content with my 2021 Euro 5! Works equally well through the forest as on 1000 kilometers a day runs on highways across Europe 👍 Never missed traction control or colored display (why on earth?!) And I will need time to prefer the updated esthetics (if I ever will). In any case, it for sure will be interesting to follow Yamaha's further adaptations of the Tenere! 😃
I really enjoy your videos, the U.K. tour was one of the most enjoyable ever,… however, this new 700 T is no where even close to getting me to consider swapping my Vstrom 1050 xt. 200 mile long distance the Suzuki wins hands down, more comfortable, better handling and much quicker 👍
Love your channel. Changed the muffler for all my yamahas, XT660, XT1200 etc. The one that was issued withe bike from Akraprovic was rubbish. The ABS/TCS button looks like a very nice feature - a long missing feature for both the T7 and XT1200. I'm getting one ! Greeting from Denmark DNK
I love that your video has had more views than Yamaha’s official Tenere release video. I think it looks great and can’t wait to ride the Rally version, I might need to get some 70’s platform shoes to ride it though as I’m 174cm.
Pros: better menu button, more space for boots, especially on the clutch side. ABS button with 3 modes, maybe better light. Cons: ride by wire throttle, weight, exhaust mount (this is actually not a problem) more electronics.
I agree with 99% on the comments here... seems to be all downgrades.... more electronics, more weight. All they had to do was swap the tank and airbox positions and upgrade the forks. The rest could have stayed the same.
@constantinosschinas4503 but suspension was a non issue. Already worked up good valve swaps on aftermarket. They should have just swapped the fuel tank down like Tuareg 660
@constantinosschinas4503 yeah sort of. For touring it was fine before. I got it ok with the rear dialed up a bit. But I'm not to picky. I'm more picky on excess fiddly features, plastic bits and weight
I had a T7, the seat was wide and hindered my reach to the ground. The top heaviness was what turned me off, fuelled up it was HEAVY. The motor is the highlight, runs so smooth, very tractable. Why cant Yamaha build a bike to compete with the 690? Thats what i own now, same HP, much less weight, better suspension etc. Lately been riding it on most of the same single track that i take my 300, i was blown away, it responds to HARD riding so well.
Dude, are you gonna write the same comment on every 2025 T7 video??? This is like the 4th video i watched and you always write the same comment. Get over it dude.
@@Chuck74420 look man... im a T7 fanatic...i had an xt660z Tenere for 4 years and the last one year and a half i have a T7..Also i had sub at those channels long time ago.. i belong to Tenere community generally...
What are you going to do when those fancy "tubeless" rims break the bead 100 kms from anywhere? You'll wish you had a tube then. Maybe you're the type who will carry a tube all the time. But you can see why a bike meant for the actual off road side of ADV'ing would have tubed tires.
To be honest, I was looking forward to the new T7 but also expected a bit more. Personally, I thought that the displacement would increase to around 900 cc and that in addition to the traction control there would also be cruise control. I mean, we are talking about the new Yamaha 2025 which should also be more in tune with the times. Slightly disappointing.
Love that in Canada we're getting the Sky Blue livery on the stock model along side the Team Blue and Titanium colours :). Might have just pulled me from the Tuareg.
Bought a T7 Explore 2 months ago, love it🥰 suits me perfectly. could have had ride by wire🤔. previously rode Ducati multistrada 950s, which is a fully equipped bike. the only thing i can miss is cruise control on my T7
Hi Robert, I not still riding the T7 V1.0 (my actual bike is the Tiger 900 Rally Pro), but the V2.0 offer me these thinks, that I would have! Lower version with no extra costs, lower point of weight, ABS switch seperat, TCS/ride by wire, flat tank closure….and I habe heard, that Yamaha also renew the muffler junction. For me now a great option to reduce! Cheers Joerg
Good report enjoyed. I've been watching the changes to the other CP2 powered bikes. Much all the same and one has the auto shift clutch tyranny setup. Sure that will come the way of the adv bike soon. EICMA will be interesting
Hi Robert, people usually discourage shorter riders like me from getting the Tenere, but I absolutely love this bike. You mentioned shorter riders can just use the slip-bottom trick, and I’ve only got one life-I don’t want to regret not owning it! So, I’m going for the new Tenere Rally 2025, and if I fall, so be it. I’ll tame this beast! Thank you so much for your time and effort in making these videos to help us 👍
Ahh, more like a version 1.5 😊 Great upgrades, though ride by wire and no cruisecontrol is a mistake or even a bug. Inknow T7 die hards wouldnt want the Vstrom800de, I would go for that instead. More grunty motor. And it has a cruise 3rd part option available. Check out the many upgrades to that google hessler v-strom
Bought a new 2024 this spring and to me, from 2020 to 2025 it’s still basically the same bike. If the 2025 also had cruise control and tubeless rims then it would have been a game changer. I don’t think many t7 owners will upgrade to the 2025.
Mine is a '21 and pretty happy with it like it is. However, it looks like the fuel cap is flush now and I would like to have the choice of ABS for just front.
As for now I’m sticking with my 2020 model. If it would have come with cruise control I would definetily have been tempted to upgrade. Everybody keeps moaning about the exhaust hanger, how many hangers have actually broken off from the frame, I have seen pictures of one case in five years and multiple facebook-groups. Sure, they bend, but they have never left a bike stranded.
Agree here Rob, definitely more of a midlife upgrade than a facelift as some have announced. Like what I see and will definitely ger myself a testride when it shows up on the floor! You need one 😂🙌
I have been waiting, with $$$ in my pocket for the announcement of this 2025. At which point I'd decide on waiting for next spring and grt one, or purchase a 2024 now. The announcement was disappointing. However I'm a very happy owner of a brand new 2024, the last of the minimalist motorcycles. It was a scramble to get one, as there were a few others like me rushing out to get on Monday morning when the dealers opened. I had to go 3 dealers away to get mine!
The only sensible upgrade wrt my WR was to get rid of the small stupid wheel to select screen etc. In Tunisia the sand stuck it so not in principle I could no longer even touch the abs… 😮. Wheel changed under warranty but still a weak point. Aftermarket: I changed rims to be tubeless, got a high mount exhaust, and mounted abs button from a czech company besides better skid plate, mirrors, hanguards and stronger springs in suspensions. Going to keep it as it is now for a long time… 😅
Is the tank plastic now? That would be a move in the right direction. Assuming they haven't moved the fuel lower to make less tippy. Cruise would have been a game changer
Nice colour for the Rally. Rest is a moderate update. What about the price update? If it's only 100 € more we all applaud. 1000 € more everybody boos. When are you in serious talks with your dealer, Robert? Cheers, Günter/Nürnberg
Looks great for sure.... Love that they tucked in the clutch cover. Could do with out ride modes and other ride by wire features. No cruise=Dumb. However, this could mean (and I am reaching) Just like the Transalp and 800DE that they do not want take away sales from a new larger model with the CP3 Super Tenere? just a thought.
Such a shame that they didn't listen to what everyone wanted. Why on earth would you throw all the tech at it? The simplicity is what made it stand out from the rest. I've a World Raid and absolutely love the thing. The only thing that really needed addressing was the abs switch, many toggle wheel and exhaust. Simplicity = reliability
Was thinking about getting the Aprilia Tuareg with the a Camel ADV raised front fender. But now this 😬 Please advice. Need a dedicated off-roader to train in the desert
Honestly I am not a fan of the aesthetic changes. The previous Tenere looks sexy... this angular look is much less so. And I am not a fan of the headlights at all... as I am a fan of curves. I also don't want the electronic control features: traction control, and riding modes I don't want, as they are just something more to go wrong with on a long journey, so the older model is more for me. Part of the problem here for us in North America, is we still haven't gotten the World Raid, or Extreme models imported yet. We are still getting the "regular" model as our only model. And this "upgrade" is a downgrade for some of us. I would buy a WR or the Extreme model you get in europe over this new model any day.
I was in the market for the World Raid and my dealer told me to wait for the 2025 models before I decide. Now Yamaha threw the wrench into my thought process why I was looking at the WR. Lower tank, not sure how much it will be different to current base T7, but that was one of the reasons for WR. Better suspension than standard, for my weight I would probably never have to upgrade suspension, now Rally is the same as WR currently. WR has more fuel capacity, but with the changes to base model and mostly Rally version, I might have to think harder what I want out of my T7. Seems currently the WR was not changed at the moment. Might have to consider now WR vs Rally really hard :) Thanks for the video
there are no signs for the updated WR. I currently have a 22 WR and love it, but i'd love to see the new WOrld Raid, as a top specc'd Tenere = CC, Tubeless options. Ill be the first to upgrade.
It will be interesting what happens to the old T7s on the market now. It will stand out as the last no-BS adventure bike. When the old Land Rover Defenders were discontinued prices went crazy, same for the G-Class Mercs (not discontinued but changed to hobo-town-shopping-cars). On the other hand I don't fear electronics too much. The bike will still ride if a sensor fails and ride by wire has been on cars for years now.
It looks pretty good. I bought a '24 this year though. I don't want the ride modes or drive by wire nonsense or traction control. I sold my KTM on purpose because of all that useless crap I just always turned off. I see no reason to upgrade. Though I wish we got the Rally version with the longer/taller suspension in the USA.. But I did that anyway to my '24. ( added +25mm tractive suspension )
Great video as usual Nomad! After selling my KTM 790 R, I have been looking at the T7 Extreme (which is now the Rally model for 2025😁) , guess we will see more posts of this machine after EICMA 2024 I am sure, but should the Tuareg 660 be considered as an option or not and why in your opinion?
Thanks Nomad Sweden for the clear presentation of the good and the bad of the not so ugly new T7. I am curious about the reason for the switch to the ride-by-wire system! The old almost non-electronica approach was a great and refreshing selling point for this nice bike when introduced. Reason for me to buy one in 2020. Why change that to ride-by-wire?? Euro5? Marketing? But heej .... I think the new one looks very good too.... and it is still a bike with a lot of options to personalise it, what I like about the T7. So I can understand the conclusion of Nomad Sweden...
Looking forward to seeing you give the new Rally version a go…if I remember correctly you should have 100k on your current bike by then, curious if you feel it is an improvement and good value. Safe travels and thank you for bringing us along
I wouldn't trade my 21 T7 for the new model. I bought it because of the understatement in electronics. Now they are moving in the wrong direction. If they'd spent their engineering time for saving another 10 KG on the bike, that would have been the deal for me!
New look is fire, kept the previous tenere style but added some freshness, happy it wasnt completely revolutioned. Bit skeptical about adding electronics. Agree that rally version is the new extreme edition
not tempted to upgrade my current World Raid. once they properly utlize the Ride by wire and install cruise control, and get feedback on how well they reinforced the exhaust hanger, then ill be tempted. Oh, and would be nice to get a tubeless option too. The new Rally edition does NOT come with an Akra slip on like the older one? hmm
Hei, ser at du har klær på deg fra Adventure spec, og lurte hvilken størrelse du bruker? Mener å huske at du er omtrent like høyt som meg 1,8m og kroppsformen ser ganske lik ut. Det er veldig dyrt med toll avgiften og mye stress å får pengene tilbake hvis man må bytte pga feil størrelse. Takker hjertelig, Hilsen Sven
Tubeless tires do not belong in an off road oriented motorbike. Nor does cruise control. If you want those things, then you're looking at a wrong kind of bike. I think the only thing "missing" from the T7 was some kind of underseat tank design to bring the weight a bit lower. And a re-design on the exhaust hanger. That's it. Even ride by wire is a downgrade imo. Another electrical thing that CAN go wrong.
@@j0rss Did i remove the passenger airbag from my track-day car? Obviously not. But it is of no use for what the car currently is. Would i prefer if it came without one and had been a little cheaper and lighter to begin with? Hell yeah. Don't generalize adventure bikes. I don't want cruise control on a 21-18" off road bike. I think it's a cost that is not utilized enough to be justified. On a Multistrada/GS/SuperTenere? I love cruise control, i think it's a must!
@@dimitrischantzivaggelis8947 how can you compare a passenger airbag on a car to a cruise control on an adventure bike 🤣 if you dont want it it doesnt matter others wont. these bikes are multi purpose, if you only ride offroad good for you, others are taking round the world trips, commuting long distances etc. ask them, if they would never want cruise control. the price of it is negligible. how many electric throttles have you heard of going bad on motorcycles? Why did they install the electric throttle without cruise control? To please people like you? Even the 2025 KTM 390 adventure comes with cruise control. I had my Tuareg 660 as only means of transportation for 8 months. Is Tuareg an offroad oriented bike enough for you? Rode 200 miles straight highway with cruise control on and just chilling, to a RALLY. Competed in a offroad rally and rode the bike back 200 miles. Why wouldn't I not want cruise control for that? Did 8.5k thousand miles in this season, over half of it offroad and I still want cruise control. Oh and tubeless- you can always install a tube as I did on my Tuareg. Just to have more tire options. 4k miles, no issues.
Yamaha needed to make the exhaust hanger a bolt on , bolt off bracket to the frame , and make it easily bendable so it can be replaced or removed and straightened , maybe it is , lets see, I think about18.5 litres of fuel capacity would also have been more appropriate. Overall a great update especially with the Japanese economy doing so poorly atm , good work Yamaha
Nice discussion Robert...another dilemma for me!. I got excited when i saw the Extreme..i was going to buy one and swap all the bodywork over from mine, as i did a fab paintjob on it, plus swap over all the accessories. But when i sat on one the reality of such a tall bike is too many sketchy moments tiny tracks...on the wet slippery deck of a ferry etc! The Extreme or the new Rally with a similar seat height would be perfect...mmm, what a nice dilemma to have!. Cheers Steve 💚
I like the Rally, but not enough to make me make a change from my heavily modified T7. Yamaha needs to fix the stock suspension and redesign the fuel tank, similar to KTM, to shift the weight lower. Also, tubed tires still? Big MEH-There is no World Raid in North America, so I'm curious what new "paint job" we get over here as opposed to tangible improvements to the bike.
The fact that it has ride by wire and no cruise control is a miss in my opinion.
I’m a simple guy. I’m sticking to “old” 2021 T7.
I’m with you!
I'm keeping mine as well!
Yep same here, bike was and is stil the dream
Thanks for the overview.
-I wish we got anything beyond the base model in the US
-I also wonder if the 2025 changes will be brought to the US
-It's frustrating they gave it ride by wire but no cruise control. They also didn't fix the exhaust hanger, or give it tubeless wheels.
Indeed, the US priorities is a bit wierd at Yamaha. And cruise control would have been so easy to add.
I am very careful with adding tech since once you get used to it, you don't want to go back. I have Popeye muscles now from 83k without cruise control 😂
I’ve read that they have strengthen the exhaust's hanger now so at least it should prove to be more robust 🤷♂️
I would be surprise to see this updated 2025 in the US, according to Yamaha history it will be available only in 2026... I'm still waiting for the World Raid 😞
Just preparing for future models and more draining of consumers pocket books...
@@pmdrolet It’s already on the Yamaha U.S. site.
The Marketing and Product Management must "hate" itchy boots latest bike reveal:D:D
She said in an Insta-Post that Yamaha actually organised the contact (motoritz) for her to get the reworked XT600. I think any brand promotion is good promotion. Yamaha is selling a lot of bikes because of their heritage in history (I just bought a T7 Rally).
@@wb4367 Lot of parts lying in corporate bins for someone with over 3 mill subs.
@@samhill3496 The builder of her bike in Germany has saved tons of replacement parts.
@kenhoward3512 He told me he had I think about sixty to build to buyers specs. They had to go somewhere we didn't get them in the states
Hm, wrong direction for me. Gained weight, Bad. Electronics, not needed, who need tractioncontrol having 70HP, it is wider, not good for me. I loved the implicity of the old T7. They didnt changed the more important stuff, like the exhaust hanger, reduce weight, fix frame problem, top heavy, etc. so nah - not my bike.
Good input :)
Exactly this...
Exactly 👍
Fuel tank is a lot lower, and ergo will be much better. Agree with the electronics makes no sense
they mentioned that they fixed the hanger (nothing special as it is an easy fix on the current one) and de more narrow clutch cover is also a plus. But yeah step in the wrong direction for all the other things
For those who watched your 80,000 km review, you might remember these quotes: ‘I’m keeping this bike,’ ‘I’m not selling it because no one would pay its real value,’ and ‘I’ll reach 200,000 km.’ Correct me if I’m wrong here-
I’m not against you upgrading, and I’m definitely not hating on it. I just think the change might not be a worthy upgrade. I’ve been following your channel because I’m interested in how you’ve developed the bike and learned to fix and maintain it.
Whatever you decide, I’ll keep watching because I enjoy your content. Saludos desde México!
Seems like Yamaha isn’t listening to its market audience. We didn’t need ride modes on this bike but EVERYONE wants cruise control. All this extra tech they are shoving into this will only serve to drive cost higher and provide no real benefit to riders.
It is disappointing, but as an EFI tuner all you need is some tuning and a button added for cruise control. See companies like Veridian. Costs like $300 to add.
Add a mechanical grip lever for cruise control. Pro riders add it to any bike and cruise around the world...
More parts, more problems.
I did not need TC, CC, RM etc.
That is not what makes this bike what it is.
Those things only makes this bike what all other bikes are...
...The same.
I don't need any cruise contoll - I want that robust bike. Leave it to Huskies, KTMš, BMWs - Yamaha can make "ADV" line with all the posh and wistles.... leave that Rally inspired bike alone!
And will add more weight, too! It's already a heavy bike for 700cc.
I've bonded with my old standard T7, got it how I like it, and it's still got plenty of life left in it, so will probably keep it forever.
Keep riding the hell out of your bike... all T7's are awesome.
So Yamaha put cruise control on the XSR900 GP but not on the T7? I really don't understand what they are thinking.
Cruise Control oh the T7, Really? Cruise Control is pretty much useless on the bike imho. Adaptive Cruise Control yes, is great, but we are not talking about this...
@@wolfganglueger1691 Depends on where you live. Countries like Australia require long distance travel so cruise control is a great added benefit
@@wolfganglueger1691 absolutely a necessity in Portugal if you use the bike as intended
@@wolfganglueger1691 Why would it be useless?
Mid year, this year I've bought new T7 and managed to make whooping 1,500kms till now!!! 🤣
When the rumours of a new T7 came out I had sort of buyer's remorse but it is all gone now! 😂
Biggest difference to me are these square led's which I found round much prettier on old T7.
I need to ride more, that's my new years resolution! ☺
Happy and safe riding to old T7, future new T7 and everyone else!
One of the really attractive aspects of the T7 was its Simplicity, its lack of electronics.
The T7 moves in the direction of just another SUV type ADV bike?
ABS proves more of a annoyance than all else. I don't need TC. And, CC? Really? On the dirt trails?
What should have been improved on is the exhaust damper and sub frame. The sub frame should be detachable as a bolt on unit. And the damper perhaps be more integrated like the YZ 450.
This is not a dirt bike, It's an ADV bike. It's not made for the dirt only. It should go well on the hwy too.
The T7(whatever year) is just awesome. Most of the reviewers that complain about it get "free" bikes to use for review anyway. If we all went to the gym lost 30lbs, got more fit, rode more, learned to work on a bike... we could get closer to Pol Tarres than getting the latest "upgrade".
True, however you can get double benefit. Lighter fitter rider + Lighter bike
Pol didn't do all that with a stock bike...
Like many, a bit concerned about the added electronics (will the ride by wire throttle still work after it was drowned into a muddy water pothole?
And a bit disappointed that the exhaust fixing hasn’t changed…
As a short rider, the narrower saddle and slimmer clutch cover are welcome improvements. Electronic throttle for cruise control is nice. And I’m an absolute sucker for cosmetic improvements. But I’d happily trade ride modes and TCS for tubeless rims.
Added 3 kilos ..... why ? Maybe put some lead in the handlebars just to make it more top heavy , lol . Some will like the changes some won't . For now I will keep mine and get a lighter companion like a TW200 or CRF300L Rally , something easier to haul around and pick up when the inevitable happens .
Hi Robert, I think the Rally Edition has your name all over it, 2025 new bike year for you mate. 😉👍
I bet there will be Y-AMT version with cruise control like new MT-07. Maybe on new World Raid/Rally edition.
Yes ! They are just selling out the old ones first.
Will be something like Africa twin! Maybe 900 cc👍
The World Raid will be discontinued from what I got of information from Yamaha. So the Rally is a combination of the new T7 and the T7 Extreme. You will get chance to see the new Rally a lot this year, I have one in order 😂 I absolutely love the new look but I might do a decal swap. They say it will be delivered in March/April
If that is true, I absolutely made the right move by getting a new World Rally for a great price (promotion in Germany) a few weeks ago. The World Rally/World Raid is the real deal and so fantastically simple (dongle included). On top the World Rally is so freaking beautiful (paint job rocks). I absolutely love this bike. Mark my words...These bikes (WR) will be desired in a few years from now. I am happy that you are excited. I am happy for you. Personally I don't need and do not fancy the 2025 mods except the comeback of this great light blue. The current T7 is the modern XRV 750 Africa Twin made by Yamaha. That's why I love the current T7.
Discontinuing the WR/WRally would be a shame and a big mistake. Guys in Australia for example absolutely love the WR because of its stability and more importantly because of its range. 16 litres are not enough in remote areas.
2025 Rally versionen är väl en nästintill kopia av 2024 Extreme? Lite tjockare Hasplåt dock.
What information is it that you have got and from who? Curious..
Only really good thing out of the box would be some roumors of better phone-connection to the display to use turn by turn navigation.
On the other hand the the menu's and selcting what to to on my 24 is soooo clunky that i dont have any high hopes that Yamaha will do it better than a stand alone system with a tablet.
So i guess not for me, i would not exchange any of the erlier models for this. And that makes me happy since i bought a 24 this year.
Go try Aprilia Tuareg 660 too. I used to drive T7 for 4 years, tried Aprilia and never looked back. Mostly use it on Baltic TET, so no easy conditions compared to Scandinavia, Finland etc.
Thanks for the walk-through! 👍 Guess I'm getting old as I'm so, so content with my 2021 Euro 5! Works equally well through the forest as on 1000 kilometers a day runs on highways across Europe 👍 Never missed traction control or colored display (why on earth?!) And I will need time to prefer the updated esthetics (if I ever will). In any case, it for sure will be interesting to follow Yamaha's further adaptations of the Tenere! 😃
I just hoped for cruise control upgrade. But it seems not for now
I really enjoy your videos, the U.K. tour was one of the most enjoyable ever,…
however, this new 700 T is no where even close to getting me to consider swapping my Vstrom 1050 xt. 200 mile long distance the Suzuki wins hands down, more comfortable, better handling and much quicker 👍
Feels like the same kind of mini upgrades Apple does. Maybe worth an upgrade every 10 years. Now is not the time yet.
Love your channel. Changed the muffler for all my yamahas, XT660, XT1200 etc. The one that was issued withe bike from Akraprovic was rubbish. The ABS/TCS button looks like a very nice feature - a long missing feature for both the T7 and XT1200. I'm getting one ! Greeting from Denmark DNK
I love that your video has had more views than Yamaha’s official Tenere release video.
I think it looks great and can’t wait to ride the Rally version, I might need to get some 70’s platform shoes to ride it though as I’m 174cm.
Pros: better menu button, more space for boots, especially on the clutch side. ABS button with 3 modes, maybe better light.
Cons: ride by wire throttle, weight, exhaust mount (this is actually not a problem) more electronics.
I agree with 99% on the comments here... seems to be all downgrades.... more electronics, more weight. All they had to do was swap the tank and airbox positions and upgrade the forks. The rest could have stayed the same.
@@Nerb1 Suspensions got a good upgrade though. Swap would be so great.
@constantinosschinas4503 but suspension was a non issue. Already worked up good valve swaps on aftermarket. They should have just swapped the fuel tank down like Tuareg 660
@@johannescarlsson4559 You mean suspension was an issue but there where solutions. Now Tenere got many problems to solve, so no worry, extra issues!
@constantinosschinas4503 yeah sort of. For touring it was fine before. I got it ok with the rear dialed up a bit. But I'm not to picky. I'm more picky on excess fiddly features, plastic bits and weight
I had a T7, the seat was wide and hindered my reach to the ground. The top heaviness was what turned me off, fuelled up it was HEAVY.
The motor is the highlight, runs so smooth, very tractable.
Why cant Yamaha build a bike to compete with the 690?
Thats what i own now, same HP, much less weight, better suspension etc.
Lately been riding it on most of the same single track that i take my 300, i was blown away, it responds to HARD riding so well.
The KTM 690 Enduro R? That's single cylinder. Of course it is lighter.
nahh ... i had already upgrade 5.5hp horses at mine and it sounds owesome !!
Cheers from Greece !!
Dude, are you gonna write the same comment on every 2025 T7 video??? This is like the 4th video i watched and you always write the same comment. Get over it dude.
@@Chuck74420 wtf .. a stalker !!
@ not stalking, we just watch the same videos 😂 and when I read the comments, yours is always there and always the same 😂
@@Chuck74420 look man... im a T7 fanatic...i had an xt660z Tenere for 4 years and the last one year and a half i have a T7..Also i had sub at those channels long time ago.. i belong to Tenere community generally...
What Yamaha is doing? Useless changes, more weight, more Electronics. Realy no reason to by a new one…
Yea a big selling point for me was the lack of electronics in the earlier models. Such a shame.
You got it man! 🙂👍
The next one will be with automatic ride, reverse gear and cruise controle 😵💫
No tubeless no purchase. I cannot believe they did not learn from own mistakes made in the past.
What? Tubeless tyres aren't puncture proof.
What are you going to do when those fancy "tubeless" rims break the bead 100 kms from anywhere? You'll wish you had a tube then.
Maybe you're the type who will carry a tube all the time. But you can see why a bike meant for the actual off road side of ADV'ing would have tubed tires.
@@Milan-yw6rm not really a dealbreaker, but would be a nice option.
@@richandiben real adventure bike is not tubeless
Mistake? Why? It's an adv bike! Tubes? No problem!
Time to upgrade? YES for the Kove 800X :) , competition is good.
yea sir kove 800x gone kick axx
Definitly
China 😢
@@motozz8258 Yeah, where you think that the Phone you are using right now was made ?
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Does not matter…
Is a good motorbike.
The rally is beautiful
I don't like the high fender but the color, yes, it's beautiful.
To be honest, I was looking forward to the new T7 but also expected a bit more. Personally, I thought that the displacement would increase to around 900 cc and that in addition to the traction control there would also be cruise control. I mean, we are talking about the new Yamaha 2025 which should also be more in tune with the times. Slightly disappointing.
Hi there . Thank you again for another review
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Any thoughts?
Love that in Canada we're getting the Sky Blue livery on the stock model along side the Team Blue and Titanium colours :). Might have just pulled me from the Tuareg.
Bought a T7 Explore 2 months ago, love it🥰 suits me perfectly. could have had ride by wire🤔. previously rode Ducati multistrada 950s, which is a fully equipped bike. the only thing i can miss is cruise control on my T7
I am still disappointed that they haven't tucked the exhaust in like on the 660s.
Hi Robert, I not still riding the T7 V1.0 (my actual bike is the Tiger 900 Rally Pro), but the V2.0 offer me these thinks, that I would have! Lower version with no extra costs, lower point of weight, ABS switch seperat, TCS/ride by wire, flat tank closure….and I habe heard, that Yamaha also renew the muffler junction.
For me now a great option to reduce!
Cheers Joerg
All It need’s is Cruise, tubeless wheels and more comfortable saddle.
Good report enjoyed. I've been watching the changes to the other CP2 powered bikes. Much all the same and one has the auto shift clutch tyranny setup. Sure that will come the way of the adv bike soon. EICMA will be interesting
Old T7s gonna be looked back on with fondness for the lack of electronics
I’ll be keeping mine for a very long time
Me too! 👍 Will keep mine till it or I stop permanently.
Nothing bad about systems like ride by wire. These systems are absolute bullet proof.
Ditto
@@Hibbicon No system is bullet proof and the more electronics in anything the more likely it is that things will go wrong.
@@jimigrill Why do you think every modern plane - even car is operated by wire?
Hi Robert, people usually discourage shorter riders like me from getting the Tenere, but I absolutely love this bike. You mentioned shorter riders can just use the slip-bottom trick, and I’ve only got one life-I don’t want to regret not owning it! So, I’m going for the new Tenere Rally 2025, and if I fall, so be it. I’ll tame this beast! Thank you so much for your time and effort in making these videos to help us 👍
Thanks mate and best of luck with the butt sliding on that awesome bike :)
Ahh, more like a version 1.5 😊 Great upgrades, though ride by wire and no cruisecontrol is a mistake or even a bug. Inknow T7 die hards wouldnt want the Vstrom800de, I would go for that instead. More grunty motor. And it has a cruise 3rd part option available. Check out the many upgrades to that google hessler v-strom
Bought a new 2024 this spring and to me, from 2020 to 2025 it’s still basically the same bike. If the 2025 also had cruise control and tubeless rims then it would have been a game changer. I don’t think many t7 owners will upgrade to the 2025.
Mine is a '21 and pretty happy with it like it is. However, it looks like the fuel cap is flush now and I would like to have the choice of ABS for just front.
As for now I’m sticking with my 2020 model. If it would have come with cruise control I would definetily have been tempted to upgrade. Everybody keeps moaning about the exhaust hanger, how many hangers have actually broken off from the frame, I have seen pictures of one case in five years and multiple facebook-groups. Sure, they bend, but they have never left a bike stranded.
Need cruise control, no drive modes and a detachable rear sub frame.
Magura clutch wouldn't hurt either !
Agree here Rob, definitely more of a midlife upgrade than a facelift as some have announced. Like what I see and will definitely ger myself a testride when it shows up on the floor! You need one 😂🙌
I do ❤️
Have made a lot of little things different on my 21 T7 so for now its a keeper since i like simple stuff 👍
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I have been waiting, with $$$ in my pocket for the announcement of this 2025.
At which point I'd decide on waiting for next spring and grt one, or purchase a 2024 now.
The announcement was disappointing.
However I'm a very happy owner of a brand new 2024, the last of the minimalist motorcycles.
It was a scramble to get one, as there were a few others like me rushing out to get on Monday morning when the dealers opened. I had to go 3 dealers away to get mine!
The only sensible upgrade wrt my WR was to get rid of the small stupid wheel to select screen etc. In Tunisia the sand stuck it so not in principle I could no longer even touch the abs… 😮.
Wheel changed under warranty but still a weak point. Aftermarket: I changed rims to be tubeless, got a high mount exhaust, and mounted abs button from a czech company besides better skid plate, mirrors, hanguards and stronger springs in suspensions. Going to keep it as it is now for a long time… 😅
Is the tank plastic now? That would be a move in the right direction. Assuming they haven't moved the fuel lower to make less tippy. Cruise would have been a game changer
Nice colour for the Rally. Rest is a moderate update. What about the price update? If it's only 100 € more we all applaud. 1000 € more everybody boos. When are you in serious talks with your dealer, Robert? Cheers, Günter/Nürnberg
Hey Robert, if your T7 will worn out you will stick to the yamaha? What about a swedish counterpart? A norden looks quite nice too.
Looks great for sure.... Love that they tucked in the clutch cover. Could do with out ride modes and other ride by wire features. No cruise=Dumb. However, this could mean (and I am reaching) Just like the Transalp and 800DE that they do not want take away sales from a new larger model with the CP3 Super Tenere? just a thought.
Im sticking to buying the '24 extreme before end of year. :)
Such a shame that they didn't listen to what everyone wanted. Why on earth would you throw all the tech at it? The simplicity is what made it stand out from the rest. I've a World Raid and absolutely love the thing. The only thing that really needed addressing was the abs switch, many toggle wheel and exhaust. Simplicity = reliability
Euro 5+ makes ride by wire unavoidable.
Yes Yes loving it, especially knowing that Yamaha didn't ruin the Ténéré looks that for my eyes are very beautiful.
Except changing what I thought was the best looking headlights on an adventure bike, previous having more rally raid look
I'll keep my 2024 T7.Maybe a wr350r is coming.
Good thinking!
Wow I like the rally look reminds me of the TTR I might have to have two bikes now that and my 21 MotoGuzzi V85tt which is another amazing bike
Got a real gas cap. New transmission gears first three gears. New fork internals, new shock linkage and shock. Lot of good upgrades. April.
The Super Tenere is missing from the Canadian, USA and EU websites. Could there be a brand new one coming ?
What's your opinion on cross-spoked wheels?
Did they fix the linkage that made the suspension bad in the previous models?
Was thinking about getting the Aprilia Tuareg with the a Camel ADV raised front fender. But now this 😬
Please advice. Need a dedicated off-roader to train in the desert
The World Raid would have been my choice, but with this outlook I will continue with my XTZ750 ST
Cheers, looking forward for the next videos.
Honestly I am not a fan of the aesthetic changes. The previous Tenere looks sexy... this angular look is much less so. And I am not a fan of the headlights at all... as I am a fan of curves. I also don't want the electronic control features: traction control, and riding modes I don't want, as they are just something more to go wrong with on a long journey, so the older model is more for me. Part of the problem here for us in North America, is we still haven't gotten the World Raid, or Extreme models imported yet. We are still getting the "regular" model as our only model. And this "upgrade" is a downgrade for some of us. I would buy a WR or the Extreme model you get in europe over this new model any day.
Agree with you!
Keeping my 21 !
They'll prize my 21 model out of my cold dead hands.
@@sorenmelchior The headlights are attrocious. Made to match the holly ugliness of the new Tracer 9 i guess.
What about the WR version? will there be a 2025 version?
Camel adv will be busy with mods for this one. And MCCRUISE will be getting orders for cruise control.
Exciting! What’s your view on the PR7 Robert? At one point I thought you might have been seriously considering it
Got the Extreme Edition earlier this year, makes sense they have up-specced the Rally to do the job of the Extreme
I was in the market for the World Raid and my dealer told me to wait for the 2025 models before I decide. Now Yamaha threw the wrench into my thought process why I was looking at the WR.
Lower tank, not sure how much it will be different to current base T7, but that was one of the reasons for WR.
Better suspension than standard, for my weight I would probably never have to upgrade suspension, now Rally is the same as WR currently.
WR has more fuel capacity, but with the changes to base model and mostly Rally version, I might have to think harder what I want out of my T7.
Seems currently the WR was not changed at the moment. Might have to consider now WR vs Rally really hard :)
Thanks for the video
there are no signs for the updated WR. I currently have a 22 WR and love it, but i'd love to see the new WOrld Raid, as a top specc'd Tenere = CC, Tubeless options. Ill be the first to upgrade.
My 2020 Rally is enough for me. But if I didn't have one, the new Rally would it be👌
It will be interesting what happens to the old T7s on the market now. It will stand out as the last no-BS adventure bike.
When the old Land Rover Defenders were discontinued prices went crazy, same for the G-Class Mercs (not discontinued but changed to hobo-town-shopping-cars).
On the other hand I don't fear electronics too much. The bike will still ride if a sensor fails and ride by wire has been on cars for years now.
It looks pretty good. I bought a '24 this year though. I don't want the ride modes or drive by wire nonsense or traction control. I sold my KTM on purpose because of all that useless crap I just always turned off. I see no reason to upgrade. Though I wish we got the Rally version with the longer/taller suspension in the USA.. But I did that anyway to my '24. ( added +25mm tractive suspension )
Great video as usual Nomad! After selling my KTM 790 R, I have been looking at the T7 Extreme (which is now the Rally model for 2025😁) , guess we will see more posts of this machine after EICMA 2024 I am sure, but should the Tuareg 660 be considered as an option or not and why in your opinion?
If I wanted a new bike it would be on my list. But I am still very happy with my KTM 1090.
Thanks Nomad Sweden for the clear presentation of the good and the bad of the not so ugly new T7. I am curious about the reason for the switch to the ride-by-wire system! The old almost non-electronica approach was a great and refreshing selling point for this nice bike when introduced. Reason for me to buy one in 2020. Why change that to ride-by-wire?? Euro5? Marketing? But heej .... I think the new one looks very good too.... and it is still a bike with a lot of options to personalise it, what I like about the T7. So I can understand the conclusion of Nomad Sweden...
Still looks great!
But no tubeless wheels is a shame
Yes mate
Rally version looks amazing! Curious to see how new flybywire acelerator Will change the bike feel
Looking forward to seeing you give the new Rally version a go…if I remember correctly you should have 100k on your current bike by then, curious if you feel it is an improvement and good value. Safe travels and thank you for bringing us along
Have you checked out the Kove 800x Pro? I think you'll love it.
Interesting indeed
I wouldn't trade my 21 T7 for the new model. I bought it because of the understatement in electronics. Now they are moving in the wrong direction. If they'd spent their engineering time for saving another 10 KG on the bike, that would have been the deal for me!
Check KOVE800 rally. 178kg fully fueled, 48mm KYB forks,.95hp.
I agree its very tempting but I've already got too much invested in my original t7 to switch now
Me too 😊
New look is fire, kept the previous tenere style but added some freshness, happy it wasnt completely revolutioned. Bit skeptical about adding electronics. Agree that rally version is the new extreme edition
Really happy I didn’t wait and bought my 2024 Canadian 50th anniversary edition t7
not tempted to upgrade my current World Raid. once they properly utlize the Ride by wire and install cruise control, and get feedback on how well they reinforced the exhaust hanger, then ill be tempted. Oh, and would be nice to get a tubeless option too. The new Rally edition does NOT come with an Akra slip on like the older one? hmm
Hei, ser at du har klær på deg fra Adventure spec, og lurte hvilken størrelse du bruker? Mener å huske at du er omtrent like høyt som meg 1,8m og kroppsformen ser ganske lik ut. Det er veldig dyrt med toll avgiften og mye stress å får pengene tilbake hvis man må bytte pga feil størrelse. Takker hjertelig, Hilsen Sven
I'm waiting to see what Suzuki does with the Drz 400
2024 is all about small ADV bikes. Many new bikes in that size coming. I like
Go for the Kove 800X Pro and you will never regret about it. It is exactly suited for what you do. Good luck !!
Why cant they have one exhaust on each side much higher and slimmer like xt 660.
Is it because of the Catalyst
Tubeless tires do not belong in an off road oriented motorbike. Nor does cruise control. If you want those things, then you're looking at a wrong kind of bike.
I think the only thing "missing" from the T7 was some kind of underseat tank design to bring the weight a bit lower. And a re-design on the exhaust hanger. That's it. Even ride by wire is a downgrade imo. Another electrical thing that CAN go wrong.
cruise control is absolutely needed in an adventure bike. You are thinking dual sport or enduro.
Adventure bikes are made for touring.
lol. so you don't want cruise control on an adventure bike. so you would remove it if you had the bike?
@@j0rss Did i remove the passenger airbag from my track-day car? Obviously not. But it is of no use for what the car currently is. Would i prefer if it came without one and had been a little cheaper and lighter to begin with? Hell yeah.
Don't generalize adventure bikes. I don't want cruise control on a 21-18" off road bike. I think it's a cost that is not utilized enough to be justified.
On a Multistrada/GS/SuperTenere? I love cruise control, i think it's a must!
@@dimitrischantzivaggelis8947 how can you compare a passenger airbag on a car to a cruise control on an adventure bike 🤣
if you dont want it it doesnt matter others wont. these bikes are multi purpose, if you only ride offroad good for you, others are taking round the world trips, commuting long distances etc. ask them, if they would never want cruise control. the price of it is negligible. how many electric throttles have you heard of going bad on motorcycles?
Why did they install the electric throttle without cruise control? To please people like you? Even the 2025 KTM 390 adventure comes with cruise control.
I had my Tuareg 660 as only means of transportation for 8 months. Is Tuareg an offroad oriented bike enough for you? Rode 200 miles straight highway with cruise control on and just chilling, to a RALLY. Competed in a offroad rally and rode the bike back 200 miles. Why wouldn't I not want cruise control for that? Did 8.5k thousand miles in this season, over half of it offroad and I still want cruise control.
Oh and tubeless- you can always install a tube as I did on my Tuareg. Just to have more tire options. 4k miles, no issues.
if they sold the same bike in addition to this one with cable throttle and tubed wheels, which would sell better, what do you think?
Yamaha needed to make the exhaust hanger a bolt on , bolt off bracket to the frame , and make it easily bendable so it can be replaced or removed and straightened , maybe it is , lets see, I think about18.5 litres of fuel capacity would also have been more appropriate. Overall a great update especially with the Japanese economy doing so poorly atm , good work Yamaha
Waren't you on the way to get a AJP?
Nice discussion Robert...another dilemma for me!. I got excited when i saw the Extreme..i was going to buy one and swap all the bodywork over from mine, as i did a fab paintjob on it, plus swap over all the accessories. But when i sat on one the reality of such a tall bike is too many sketchy moments tiny tracks...on the wet slippery deck of a ferry etc! The Extreme or the new Rally with a similar seat height would be perfect...mmm, what a nice dilemma to have!. Cheers Steve 💚
you let us know what you choose, because i have the exact same problem lol
I like the Rally, but not enough to make me make a change from my heavily modified T7. Yamaha needs to fix the stock suspension and redesign the fuel tank, similar to KTM, to shift the weight lower. Also, tubed tires still? Big MEH-There is no World Raid in North America, so I'm curious what new "paint job" we get over here as opposed to tangible improvements to the bike.