The Land Rover Range Rover Insurance Problem - Part 2 - Let's Get Serious.
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- Опубліковано 18 жов 2024
- In this Part 2 video I catch up with Richard from @Challengetheroad to find out how he's holding Jaguar Land Rover and their CEO responsible, and asking for answers on behalf of vehicle owners.
Audio is crap and we go on a bit and still it gets more views than me spending a grand doing a track day 😂 can’t make it up.
Tomorrow we are doing the Bristol fire, more on plummeting RR values and also getting the Renault running.
How about we get it running smoothly and I go for a columbian farmer coffee and a video on Wednesday..?!
That was a popular video 😂
You pair going on a track day isn't interesting though so that's why 😆 I want real life stuff not pissing about on track days.
@Lookup2Wakeupnope I didn’t see that as a criticism! I get it 👍👍
@@Richard_Barneslots of real life stuff this week as I’m having a week at home / less road trips. Apart from a potential trip to collect a French 80s classic on Thursday.
Geoff gets knobbly tyres for L322 and enter TYRO or RTV great fun you’ll have plus would make good content as cheap fun anyone can do. If you want you can double up driving my L320?
If you put a vid out I'm waching it no matter in if Track or Chat. ☺️👍👍
Unless the Range Rover is stolen from someone with a protected characteristic then it's not a hate crime. You can't expect expensive police time to be wasted on non-hate crimes.
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One protected characteristic is race (any race) as all victims of car crime will be of some race, ultimately all the victims (if they percieve themselves to have been targeted on because of their race) will have been subject to hate crime.
People with EV’s mustn’t have kids as it seems no one is talking about our young teenage kids. We have three teenagers all have cars and not EV’s I won’t let them even drive in them not that any are around. Who can afford EV’s for their kids who could charge three or four cars from home anyway you can’t have electric cords running out on the street plus they drain the grid. It’s sheer stupidity we will not buy EV’s we would never buy second third or fourth hand EV’s and our kids do not want them as we don’t want them either. We are now learning how dangerous they are in accidents the batteries do not crumple like cars do to protect the drivers or those hit by other cars these EV’s are solid blocks of heavy batteries and that’s dangerous as hell. They also catch fire and the smoke alone is toxic it is poison. We need cheap safe cars for our kids we will not waste money on EV’s.
Just so you know if your car starts to crumple where a battery normally would be your chances of survival aren't the greatest to begin with😅
With the holidays coming up, charging with kids, must be hell on earth waiting for an hour or two for a charge with moaning kids. From three years ago we visited Cambridge services at Christmas and it was hell, chargers under construction, no space in the car park 🙁
What annoys me, these rich trendies are pushing up our insurance premiums.
So ICE powered insurances are subsidising EV insurances.
Fairness personified (sarcasm here).
@@sysakPLI thought in most EV'Ss the battery was part of the floor, are you saying the battery is only the rear half of the floor? Because the crumple zone in most modern ICE cars is pretty much everything in front of the driver and I'm sure most EV's the battery goes further forward than the driver.
Unlike ICE cars where hitting a brick fallen from a lorry on the motorway, or a raised manhole cover might damage the sump, with the EV battery, one little hole and it's thermal runaway time.
@@Peterbrendanalbert 2012 Ford focus 2010 Toyota Rav a great car that never breaks down and my middle daughter drives grandma’s 1995 Toyota hiace a great little camper and I drive a 1965 Chrysler Valiant AP6 the wife has a new Nissan
The Australian view of the Land Rover;- If you want to explore the outback, buy a Land Rover. If you want to get back home afterwards, buy a Toyota.
Yawn
Wasn’t that from the 80s
Let's be honest, most of us Aussies don't venture into the outback. Dirt tracks and some beaches but mostly road trips.
Perfect for us average Range Rover owners
Very happy with my 2015 SV6 sport.
Had a BMW 335D nicked 10 years or so ago through the OBD hack which was well known - moaned to BMW. Their response was to send a new car brochure to 'help' me choose my next car. At that point I had had 5 new BMW's - it did help as I haven't driven one since.
We definitely need another set of insurers who are focused and wish to serve a particular market, with sensible premiums rather than the conglomerates
Can I just add a point of order, it isn't insurance companies, it's the underwriters which there isn't a lot of them to choose from unfortunately. They are all woke as hell so unless someone has the money not bothered by the woke crowd things look grim. I've got a letter from my MP from the FCA that insurance prices are going up again basically as they are losing money still. Incredible!!
Tell me about it .that was a b****rds trick that ordinary rate up from 21p to 24p night rate 7p to 18p sneaked that one in past the regulators didnt they .( Power ni)
@@raptorheli2 Thanks for the update
Has anybody considered the possibility that this is a conspiracy between the government, manufacturer and insurers to finally kill the large 4x4 market? Considering the green evangelism that exists now and the apparent police indifference to the problem. After what we've been through the last few years, anyone thinking 'they wouldn't do that' is incredibly naive.
Why would any insurance company want to insure an item they know is likely to be stolen?
Thats exactly the gamble they took by becoming insurers.
@@Gixie-RIt's my cynical view that Insurance Cos. never take risks in what they insure 😂 Even minimal risk business is reisured elsewhere, at our cost.
Amigos it's admigated risk they are past paying out for these who would
It gives an excuse to raise insurance rates for everyone. Probably part of the big plan.
Practically all insurers "re insure" via other brokers, who then "re insure" via other brokers... It's like the split betting where you gamble on a team to win, and for the same team to lose.
Thanks Geoff, great to talk through with you and will keep you updated. Things are moving at a pace at the moment. Richard
Insurance companies may figure if a person is stupid enough to buy a 150k Range Rover or any $150k car they will pay anything for insurance.
LOL. :D
Vanity has no cost to the ego monsters they've conditioned.
True 100%
The people buying expensive cars generally aren’t stupid. But the people who can only afford to buy cheap second hand cars aren’t necessarily the brightest in society, are usually jealous of the success of others, and can only articulate this with words such as ‘stupid’…
@@AndyM-s8p😂😂 Most people buying expensive cars are not actually " buying " them , I'm sure you are aware of that .
Multicultural Britain.... Don't you just love it!
Just had my renewal on my MY05 Disco 3 SE from Churchill. Went up from £325 last year to just £381 for the renewal. Admittedly I'm 57 with clean history and only use it for less than 8k miles/year so I thought that was reasonable.
Went on Quido compare and got quoted £365 with £45 cashback which is £5 less than last year.
Called Churchill to haggle and got then down to £345 which is about inflation rate. I call that a result for those of us trying to save the planet by keeping old diesels on the road 👍
(BTW...according to Martin Lewis, 23 days prior to renewal is the sweet spot for the best renewal price)
Your lucky. My insurance via comparison sites doubled. This is for a 2009 insignia valued at £800. The sites wanted around £1000+ . When I went for a new quote via my current provider website it went to £1700! When I called them it went up by £50 from the previous year which meant my insurance was £520. I'm 37yo, 12 years no claims and 10k miles in the garage clean licence... It's because of these EV's if you hit one they have to quarantine them as they are dangerous they are also expensive to repair so your subsidising these types of cars.
I have come to this issue a little late and I am not sure who Richard is but he is on the right track to find a solution. Insurance is simple. Everything is based on risk. That's how is all start with Edward Lloyd in 1688. He would insure only the more competent sea captains. He made his own judgment based on his own observations and knowledge .
Here we are in 2023 with a vehicle that has become uninsurable. What would Edward Lloyd do. He would want owners/the manufacturers to make these vehicles almost impossible to steal and conceal. With the vast array of trackers, electronic security devices etc then this is more than achievable.
It is particularly important to JLR because no Insurance for a Range Rover equals no sales and that is the road to bankruptcy.
I worked in Risk Management and helped high risk banking groups in high risk countries around the world with their Insurance. Same principles applied as Edward Lyoyd would apply. OK a little more complex but same principles. It always worked out for all concerned. This problem is no different.
Richard, look at it this way. JLR are in a fix. You and your insurer come up with a workable solution and you sell them the solution to JLR who pick up the tab. You sell your accredited insurerance solution to the thousands of JLR owners who are also in a fix.
I realise it is not that simple but the principles of Insurance are all about risk. This is emminantly fixable....
Maybe then I can buy a Range Rover....
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@@serenitycoastUK So they quoted you £1,700 but when you called them it was £520?
How did they justify that?
Last year my insurance (I used a local broker) went from £198 to nearly £500.
The first quote I got elsewhere was under £200.
I ended up with paying £169.
I should have asked the broker what they were up to, but I couldn't be bothered.
It was disappointing because I'd used them for several years.
Your car is a old banger nobody is stealing them if anything people can't give them away.
@@DaleSteel Old bangers, even for scrap, are worth far more than they were a few years ago.
Thank you for putting this out there. I’m one who has “skin in the game” as I am a current owner of a Range Rover L405. Fortunately my insurance is not due for renewal until May next year so, hopefully things will get sorted before then. Otherwise I will just park the car up and buy something else. There’s no point in selling my gorgeous Range Rover as it’s virtually worthless. I am one of the people who have had Land Rovers for the past 40 years. It would be sad if this one were to be my last.
BUY A TOYATA LIKE EVERYONE ELSE WITH A FUNCTIONAL BRAIN ?
Paid £185 last January the 6th for fully comprehensive on my 2009 Peugeot 107. Got the reminder yesterday £306 for the same insurance level, no change at my end other than celebrating my 73 Birthday. A quick google on a comparison site returned a very reputable company with an offer of £175. Guess which one has my business this year. The public are having their drawers pulled down and their backsides spanked, simple as that.
Do tell, which insurer?
Wait till he sees how much his Porsche tincan depreciates. Lol
@Lookup2Wakeupboth this guy and the macmaster.
If a good percentage of RR owners move over to Taycan's, the values will stabilise...?
why on earth does nobody suggest these crimes be stamped out with penalties that are harsh and vicious in the absolute extreme to act as deterrent. Surely any sane society would have zero tolerance of crimes such as car theft and where it is perpetrated with violence, how can it not be a capital office!!!!!
like us in the M East !
They don't want to shine a light on the problems they imported.
This is not a sane society.
It taxes people for seeking shelter (Council tax) via threats of taking people's home, while shipping hundreds of thousands of nice young african men into the country without any tax, rather with free hotels, food, medicine and spending money.
When a government is at war with the people of a country, insanity is expected.
Police far too busy going after villains for tweeting something on X that upset some snowflake's feelings.
totally right - no punishment for crimes is rife ,,,
Hi Geoff love the channel, just read an article about another airport car park fire this time @ Bristol Airport where @least 11 cars have been destroyed only this time they were all parked up by the car park staff in an outside car park ( you know you arrive hand your keys over they park it up for you )
This was at Bristol Airport silver zone car park
The insurance companies aren't bothered, they are too bothered fleecing people.
How manufacturers can continue selling cars that are so easy to steal after all these years is deplorable, and they deserve to go out of business. As for idiots buying cars that are so easy to steal, we'll don't be surprised if it gets stolen. Years ago I had a hidden switch (simple on-off) between the starter/horn so if anyone tried starting it, it wouldn't start, but the horn sounded.
Hi Jeff, loving your channel, I would like to see some videos on people on low incomes that are struggling keeping their cars on the road and like me I sold my car and bought a motorbike as I can't afford to run my car any more. I would like your thoughts on this.
Bloody good you took the plunge to Ride Free ! Only one plate that can be hidden from those ANPR’S if you know how 👍🏻 but yes cars have a purpose if you have family and live out the concrete jungle !
Maybe JLR should "outsource" their security issues to a 3rd party company. I.e get ghost to retrofit their system to all new cars at dealerships before delivery - then they won't be getting stolen in the first place
yeah, just not to kia
The problem is Ghost immobilisers are not Thatcham approved so make no difference to the insurance premiums.
All of these insurance issues must be affecting sales of them both new and used.
The insurance companies are there to make a profit, and clearly see the theft rate of
Range Rovers as something that carry too high a risk. until JLR get their act togeather nothing
will change.
Time for all the owners to join forces and take out a class action, or buy another brand.
Check out recent videos on Car UK and Vision Prestige. Range Rover and Land Rover vehicles are going through auctions and getting no bids. At one place, there were over 40 Land Rover vehicles at one sale. As far as I'm aware, most didn't sell. A cap clean Range Rover with a bottom book value of circa £19k only got one bid and sold provisionally for £15k. Theres a mad rush to get out of these things and dealers aren't buying them or taking them in part exchange.
All good things come to an end, having owned three Jaguars 2 XJ's and a XK8 back then whilst they had
niggles, they were reliable cars worth owning, fast forward to today and the over reliance on electronics
has resulted in cars that only need a radio scanner to steal.
Now because JLR don't care about customers we have the current fiasco and cars that are worthless
and you can't insure, what a sad end for these vehicles.@@matthewgodwin3050
In my opinion we have finally reached the YES,YES,YES,YES brigade, I was in the Fire Brigade and slowly, only the YES people got jobs, Can we save money YES can we reduce manning YES , can we reduce Stations YES, will it affect peoples lives NOT INTERESTED. It seems this is taking over all the industries in the UK no one is prepared to say NO, they are too frightened about their jobs, so we get into a situation like Land Rover that someone must know what is going on but too frightened to become a NO person. This does not just happen in the motor industry. As in the Manchester Arena Fire where the Fire Brigade DID NOT TURN OUT to the bombing even though the Fire crews had their engines running and waiting to attend, I think they did two hours after the bomb, and nobody was blamed because the reason they could not attend was the 'YES' men had worked out a system to save money, not the firefighters on the ground who were desperate to attend.
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Save a penny, spend a pound
I had my RR Sport Autobiography ordered but cancelled when I got silly insurance quotes starting at £5,600. So I am sticking with my Porsche whose insurance for me was £600.00 Pa.
I could have been a new RR customer.
Well at least the Porsche won't break down. Won't stop it being stolen possibly though.
Prevent theft might be difficult. ..knowing the location of it - instant....but police can't be bothered.
Clue: WEF intervention. They are everywhere important.
Bet their Maybachs are never stolen?
Richard of Challenge The Road is doing a great service for RangeRover owners and the predicament that we find ourselves facing. I don't know if there is anything I can do but I am with you all the way, I am on my 6th RangeRover and it may be my last.
My Defender 110 2003 is parked on the street, South Manchester. Just renewed last month, up 140%. The actual renewal quote from the RAC was double!
All insurance companies are doing this ,like mine ,who now won't pay me out on a hit and run ,even when I have it on cctv.
@Lookup2Wakeup Lol. It's too rubbish to get nicked!
Lucky you still have it. My neighbours 110 was nicked from his lockup, and he run's a bloody security firm! Battery was removed, after market alarm. It was stolen to order, they knew exactly how to take it (must have been scoping him out for a while I would guess). Insurance wouldn't pay out (I forget the reason now, something to do with the business and his insurance terms) so he's out for tens of thousands.
JLR should offer customers a choice. Do you want a keyless vehicle, that can be stolen quite quickly or a key ignition vehicle.
5:13 £38,000 to insure a car is beyond insane
@Lookup2Wakeup Yeah, that's what one of my friends would call "a PFO quote".
@Lookup2Wakeup oh for sure but you typically get that kind of quote if you're young lad trying to get insured on a sports car, not your average range rover driver haha
3 weeks at Euro'24 for a hotel,if you're Scottish... I kid you not!
Land rover insurance.
Is everyone not looking at this the wrong way round?
Police are there to deal with this epidemic.
It is what the police are founded upon.
Questions require to be answered by the various policing authorities, and the Justice Minister.
Otherwise we have anarchy.
The police aren’t there to correct JLR’s failings to make their vehicles secure though. The onus has to be on the manufacturer first and foremost 🤷🏼♂️
@@kevincross9206 What a society we have created. The fact that we require space age security to prevent low life depriving us of our property begs uncomfortable questions. Saudi Arabia has no such issues 😂....too far?
@@JosephPalmerT5D5 - well can’t say I disagree with that, but society is a much bigger subject again eh!
Hi Geoff loving your vlogs. Are you going to give any comment on the fire in the carpark at Bristol airport
Yes!
I loved the intro - were you biting your lip Geoff while Richard waxed lyrical about his Taycan ? Not a peep - what would McBlaster say ? 🤣
I just got a discovery as needed a bigger car for the family … had nothing but hot hatches. Type R, Mk2-3 RS, jcw mini, A45. Was shocked when I went to get the discovery insured, The most I ever paid.. even when I was 17. Keep up the good work and hopefully get the insurance down👍🏼👍🏼
This would work as long as you verify that all the security is fitted to the vehicle, before confirming insurance. They are always the chancers out there.
You get a certificate once paid for.... your insurance company will want the details before providing cover.
The guy loves his Porshe Taycan? It depreciates 60% in two years. Ranges Rovers 60% in 5 years. Throwing money away but it strokes the ego I guess.
He doesn't sound the brightest. Poor Geoff..
He bought it after it took the hit on depreciation
He has 25 cars and doesn't need to sell it !
Wealthy people aren't like the rest of us..... My "boss" has an ancient Merc convertible with the private plate and he will never have to sell it - it's his for life, as is my Subaru.
Watch his videos. His £130k Taycan is 11 months old. £3 paid £66k for it a few weeks ago.
As a fan of old Swedish, Japanese and quirky French cars JLR couldn't be further from my taste, but I am shocked at how JLR are treating their high paying customers with such poor quality products and customer service. At this rate they will be the masters of their own downfall failing by not respecting customers like so many 'British' car brands have done before.
JLR are not customer centric and never have been. They have always been a terrible company for customers to deal with if anything goes wrong, in or out of warranty. They just couldn’t care less about backing their products up in any way at all. Speaking from experience running three Range Rovers, a Discovery and four Defenders over the years. If they played straight they would have had at least eight other new sales over the years which instead went to Toyota, BMW, Mercedes, Isuzu, Ford. Audi and Kia, some bought several units of for my small fleet. If they didn’t actively shaft me, starting with a new Range Rover in 1988 which had faulty brakes from new and whose warranty was voided because the dealer had spent too much time trying to sort it. I was there when he told the dealer point blank that they were not going to cover it, to the absolute embarrassment of the dealer principle who was a good guy, doing his best for a bunch of absolute shits. After that I bought another Range Rover and Discovery and a Jaguar XK8 over the years but again I had disappointing experiences where Land Rover just would not back their cars up, yet expect ‘loyalty’ from their customers. Yet I still love their vehicles and if they really did change to become customer focussed I would buy another one. Call me a mug, because I’m sure that is what JLR think of their customers.
I’m surprised trading standards haven’t got involved yet. Must be too big for them to deal with or just simply doesn’t care.
Do they still exist?
A couple of points here. Firstly it could be that the size of the UK market for JLR is insignificant compared to the US and Far East markets. If those markets don't have a notable problem with car theft and/or their police agencies are far better at recovering stolen vehicles, then it's maybe not too surprising that JLR don't seem to be overly bothered about the UK problem.
Secondly, if it weren't for the fact that vehicle insurance cover is mandatory for drivers in the UK and therefore General Insurers *must* provide insurance, then most, if not all, simply wouldn't offer it at all for *any* make or model of car. Other than for very high premiums that supercars inevitably fetch, the UK car insurance industry isn't all that lucrative - and high rates of inflation have turned fairly modest profits into losses over the last couple of years.
My 1992 Discovery isn't very secure either. The key broke in the ignition so I had to smash it off, it's now push button start and the doors don't lock, but the driver's door only opens if you wiggle the handle in a certain way, which seems to do the trick (combined with looking like an axe murderer's car)
It's also $400 a year to insure.
Think major question are not being asked. Who is suddenly stealing all these Range Rovers? Why aren’t the police recovering them? Who is letting this happen? Are Land Rover in on it.? They don’t want to find a solution. Who manufactures the electronics for Land Rover. Maybe there’s a entry code built in and certain people have bought access and it’s really easy to steal them. There’s more going on here.
Got to be heading to Nth Africa or Eastern Europe... still leaving the UK on mass...I customs failure!
Being stolen using a JBS Bluetooth portable speaker apparently !
OFF topic. Today I filled my wonderful 3-litre XF R-sport with enuff diesel to last thru. xmas (and new year if necessary). Are the EVer-Ready battery car owners doing similar and charging up now for the holiday weeks? (asking for a fiend).
It’s amazing how the knock on effect of people with £100k+ RR are struggling with insurance, I have a RR P38… Nearly 24yrs old now and my insurance premium has jumped from £550 in July to nearly £2000 this month!!! It’s mental! I’m lucky if the ACTUAL key unlocks the car, let alone it being keyless😂 Insurance companies are POUNDING anything with a LR/RR badge regardless of age 😢
Very informative AGAIN! Just ordered my Christmas Jumper for my Vermont holiday! Thanks Geoff.
Oh brilliant! I hope it arrives in time, I went for a LARGE although i'd normally go Medium and I really like the jumper.
For ages JLR took advantage of the situation. Every car stolen is a new car baught as a replacement. So they sell 25% more(arbitrary percentage). They're only doing something due to insirance costs. Its about blooming time.
Do we really give a stuff? Buy what you can afford and keep within your budget. My car has no residual value so why sell it?
Was in a shop last night (large national food retailer) and over heard 3x staff talking at how they have now been told to just let shoplifters walk out! Seriously this counrty! No wonder scumbags are pinching Rangerovers!
How about actually having some serious penalties for scumbags and even maybe making these transponder/receiver/scanner thing illegal again with serious penalties for owning/selling?
I believe what we’re seeing here is an example of how the powers that be are actively working towards making vehicle ownership unaffordable to get us and our cars off the road.
Hallelujah, someone who gets it.
In some countries, the state insists on basic third party insurance and it provides it... You go to other companies for the extras. Far be it from me to advocate state intervention, but something has to change!
Toyota Land Cruiser The Safest Bet all day long…. And It’s Reliable as well as not a Vanity Issue at the puddle in the road !
I've got a 2008 yaris just done Essex to Northumberland & back then Essex to central france. Never missed a heart beat.
There are far too many unnecessary electronic gadgets on modern vehicles when there was nothing wrong with the way we had to open & close doors and other items manually. Key-less entry & ignition is what goes wrong not just on JLR vehicles but many others too! The old ignition switch where you turned the key and away you went has proved extremely reliable for decades and is an item that was trusted. Drivers are becoming almost isolated from the actual functionality of the vehicle and no longer gets the feeling of being in control! Plus all these electronics add weight to an already over weight piece of machinery!
About the police taking an interest... my sister was in her relatively new Disco Sport driving late at night a long way from home, but in a town where our mother lives. She was pulled over and the police said they pulled her because she was going a bit fast (about 25 in a 20 zone!) but also because 'the car was out of area' and so was 'unusual'. Checked all details and sent her on her way. So the police are aware of vehicle thefts and do take action where they can, but as all public services are, they are resource constrained so cannot follow up on everything.
Not just Range Rovers insurance companies are ripping everyone off they’ve virtually doubled my policy on a diesel ford focus no claims and no accidents
Same here.they are forcing us off the road by hiking the prices, and spare parts are doubling in price.
@Lookup2Wakeup safe and effective
@@davidbrown2571could spare parts doubling in price possibly be linked to insurance costs increasing? Maybe insurance companies have a justification after all…
Hi all,I’m a 60 year old gentleman with full no claims and I bought a new 22 plate Ford Kuga hybrid,the insurance was £281 the first year with Hastings who I’ve been with for many a years the second year Hastings would not even give me a quote or a reason why,I also live in a crime free area so not only Range Rover it’s all electric cars and insurance companies pushing the price up
It’s a hybrid so it has a battery. Whoosh!
I'ts very ironic that Jaguar/Landrover is a subsidiary of "TATA" or should it be 'TA-TA'!
JLR, as always, financially in the shit. They will wind up as a company, they will cut off the nose to spite the face. Just like Rover and many others.
Spot on….. the days are numbered it’s just for share holders to bag the share of the pot .
No chance…
Everyone has said the Same thing ,"Why insure something thats going to get nicked " . I just dont blame the insurance companies . Very Upsetting al this
Just checked the insurance for a 2019 Land Rover Sport SVR 525Hp here in central Stockholm, Land Rover have an agreement with Folksam, a Swedish national insurer. They will take "only £300" fully comp per month. My insurance company wanted £40000 per year. I.E. they wouldn't touch it with a bargepole. Still wondering if you want to do Ystad-Haparanda in an XC60 ICE -vs- XC60 Recharge....
Keys in a faraday cage 600v capacitor on the OEBD socket. Problem solved 😜
Hello Geoff, I see there has been,yet another car fire at an airport car park. Bristol. This was not covered by the main news networks. The fire service say, it was an accidental ignition.
Richard just needs to stop buying a JLR and have a stress free life.
I think part of the problem is JLR is now owned by Tata of India, and they just don't give a care.
Not a problem when they poured billions and kept the JLR site afloat...
Hi Geoff. If this problem is resolved with or without the help of JLR (and don’t they need a kick up the backside for poor customer care) then I wonder what vehicles will be targeted next. Thieves will still be there and they will still be wanting to make money….interesting question when you next speak to Richard.
Here in Oz it is the toyota prado that is the car for youngsters to steal to burn.
@@amandajane8227 Hi. These are being stolen to order. Either whole cars or parts are being shipped out of the country. In the worst month 90 were stolen in London alone and when new they are £110k-£200+k…that’s a lot of money.
If he is so worried about land rover insurance and the massive loss of money doing so, why did he buy a Taycan losing money hand over fist, with depreciation and prices tanking. Just because he bought it cheaper, doesn't mean the vast depreciation rate stops, just because he bought it ?
My 6th Range Rover arrived new in March this year after ordering in Feb the year before. The new model is fantastic, best car yet. I live in London , old insurance ( Direct Line) wouldn’t take on the new car , eventually found an insurer for £2,500. I honestly may have to sell it next march if the insurance is going higher! £10-£20k ? Every morning I check it’s still there! We need a solution and quickly
is it show off or be a bully on the road ?you could just use black marker pen on your forehead showing your bank balance or wear a tear shirt with a photocopy of your bank balance
I own a 2006 Lexus GS300 SE-L with "keyless" entry and drive. Lexus use a very complicated frequency to protect their keyless entry cars which makes them very difficult to steal.
As soon as I lock my var, the key (transponder) it placed in a very slim metal box (essentially a "Faraday" box but actually an old mint container) which instantly shields the signal and makes the car almost impossible to steal.
My key only comes out when I'm ready to drive again.
Personally, I think all keyless entry owners should do the same as I do; even my insurers like it and thus my premiums remain very low. (In the region of £160 a year; but I've had a clean licence for 60 years with no claims - ever).
Before all the trolls tell me I'm "lucky" or "unique" or worse. I'm just a careful driver; not slow, I've never been slow. I think it's just a case of shopping around for the best deal and when you find a good insurer; stick with them.
The JLR business is awful, and reflects on other drivers. Greed has a lot to do with it of course, but JLR could do more - much more.
Isn’t every car keyless entry? I have not used a door lock for 30 years
When I worked at the AA - they warned back then that key-less entry could be hacked. NEVER get a car with key-less entry.
I had a transit custom stolen in london years ago, i was one of the first. As a northerner who used a local NFU insurance, it was quite a ordeal explaining yes i hae both keys but the van was stolen.
Was lucky it was found in a lockup, and all what was stolen was my wifes barbour jacket! They didnt touch my flule dtx 1800 and tools! 😅
I wouldn’t want a keyless entry.
I am opening the door and getting in anyway.
These care manufactories are think as a breeze block to come out with such a easy nickable vehicles.
Its the same with Auto Lights and cars that light the dash board up when the rear lights are not on
That was quite a good interview, and it's never easy trying to do something like that over the phone. I felt this was coming for a while now, it's almost comedic how many Land Rovers are stolen. Tesla had something similar with their Model S series before pin to drive became a thing. They were being stolen to order and shipped off to bum fuck nowhere to be broken up. There was a very serious point where they were essentially going to be uninsurable.
I can't believe JLR have been so slow to respond, and their pithy recall is hardly inspiring. You'd have to be nuts to buy a RR at the moment unless it was a working machine on a farm (and locked up at night).
As Geoff said, it'd be a crying shame to see JLR, or any of the other British automotive firms fold for something that is so obviously fixable. Fingers crossed they get it sorted and make them a valid business case to insure across the whole of market.
JLR , THE INSURANCE COMPANYS AND THE THEIVES ARE ALL WORKING TOGETHER YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST
The insurance companies are the thieves ,,, you heard it here second
Land Rover offer the In Control App which tracks the car and informs you of any attempts to steal the car. I have used this for my last 3 Range Rovers and it’s a great system.
Is this effecting the new and old Defender 2020 onwards? Thinking of swapping my Campervan for either new/old defender or Disco 4 in near future but maybe should wait it out😢
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Do like the weather and short days immigrate!
Any update on the Luton fire? Has the model been confirmed? I wrote to the Chief fire officer for Bedfordshire asking if he stood by his statement from the day of the fire and got a vague reply saying sort of maybe yes as far as we know at this time...........................
I work for a certain British sports car manufacturer based in Norfolk... It appears to be imploding within 🤔🚗🔥
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Setting up a Land Rover insurance broker seems like a bad business idea considering the company would face massive projected losses from repeated payouts.
Bottom line is Insurance companies will not care one tiny bit. JLR probably don't care that much either. They won't do anything until people stop buying them in massive numbers.
Don’t tell anybody but I’m immediately going out there to buy up all pre-2010 Range Rovers to sit on until they are each worth more than 2 month old current versions!
Looking at how that’s going I won’t have to wait very long!
With regard to insurance I have an 01 VW Golf, last year the insurance was £238 this year it’s £690 , work that one out
Got a new defender had it a few years and insurance just doubled last month
glad there's so much chat around this jlr need to sort something
Im pretty sure dependant on individual insurer that any quote online or other the phone is only valid for 14-21 days so to suggest that it is an oversight on the customers part pre ordering 12 months in advance to not check is berserk!
Just thinking out loud but.......if Land/Range Rovers become too expensive to own, surely no one will want to buy one, even a stolen one!
Insurance companies are largely international companies and will hike up prices everywhere albeit not as expensive as the UK but still significantly upwards.
Just pondering this problem.🤔
They'll get shipped out of the country.
They - Do - Not - Care.
JLR are so greedy, that whilst someone is trying to help stop them disappear off the face of the earth, they are literally sticking their heads in the sand.
I only wish someone was as active when the 2.7 D Jaguar engines were eating themselves during DPF-Gate.
I had to scrap one just out of warranty and they wanted the value of the car for a new engine and turbos.
Their final response?
‘Go ahead, pal. Sue us.’
Simple way to stop keyless entry is to change to button entry and lock only, can be done easily, check the car manual.
Yes, but that doesn’t affect the insurance premiums.
@@richardwoollaston3650Alterations which reduce the chance of an insurance claim don't usually effect premiums. Adding parking sensors is one example.
If it stops your car being stolen eventually the insurance will reduce
Just spotted on linkedin, JLR advertising for a "Cyber Security Compliance Engineer".
Spoke to Land Rover after seeing your last video, asked about the recall for my 69 plate RRS - they said no recalls on my vehicle, but perhaps that is because they haven't reached 69 plates yet?
Or maybe, just maybe, they've got your money and don't give two shiny shits about anyone with an old one ?
I'll steer well clear of buying a Range Rover for as long as this situation persists, much as I'd like one.
A genuine further concern I have is that other cars share some electronics with JLR cars, my simple observations based on who owned JLR a few years ago and what other car companies they owned and shared technology with. You don't need to be very smart to know for instance that at one time while both companies were owned by Ford, the Volvo SATNAV was the same as used in the Aston Martin. This may predate the recent security problems. It would be good to know....
He also loves it cos it’s posh and expensive - come
On he’s a Range Rover fan - enough said
Is that the same as Lees? Must earn a lot these boys 👌
Yes must be earning 200k a year to afford that depreciation 😂
@@andrewwaller5913 makes
Me laugh when they cannot afford to insure but can apparently afford the car - that tells me that they actually cannot afford the car
I think that some people who have an EV expect the insurer to pay for replacement batteries when they are at their end of life but this should only be done for battery damage.
I work away & my Christmas hoodie has arrived but the missus says the sizing looks small 😮 Geoff! What am I gona look like round the dinner table on Christmas Day?
Geoff, did you see that there was another airport car park fire on Sunday at Bristol Airport?
Hi Geoff, looks like insurance companies maybe following the JLR model for other makes as well as my BMW renewal has just been quoted at 35% increase on last years premium, that coupled with my wifes Evoque insurance doubling has really not helped the cost of living crisis we are all facing...
Start your own insurance company!
Beat them at their own game!
1) A small business makes money and
2) Range Rover drivers are happy with low premiums
3? Maybe do a deal directly with JLR for backing as at this rate there products will be obsolete in 5 years!
Geoff, that guy sounds so full of himself.😮
@Lookup2Wakeuphe’s a self made man with an interesting story. He’s wealthy but he thinks like one of us. Good to have people like that on our side.
I think he is doing a great job and if his letter gets a result it's worth it. And enjoy his channel 🎉
He makes a profitable business opportunity sound like an act of charity!
The bloke gets right on my tits...proper full of himself....its all me me me
Just had your video interrupted by an advert for Range Rover - ironic.
In 2002 my car came with a Thatcham approved immobiliser and a tracker.... Subaru were 20 years ahead of JLR !
P.S. was busy at work so I got hit with a 30% increase last month.... next year will be interesting.
I don't wish to sound negative but if 18 vehicles with a ghost have been stolen doesn't this mean that someone can circumnavigate the system. These people can then sell their answer to the ghost and you are back to square one.