I find it interesting that almost no one mentions the intelligence that the US provides to Ukraine. It's pretty valuable to know what to hit and when to hit it.
It's also pretty valuable to know. Which is why we (and the Russians) don't know what intelligence they're getting. It's so valuable that we will only find out long after.
One extraordinary justification for supporting Ukraine seems to be consistently missed: Ukraine gave up over 1,000 nuclear weapons in exchange for a non-aggression treaty with Russia, and this enabled Russia to attack with impunity in 2014. If the world does not protect countries who gave up nukes for peace, why will any countries do so in the future?
“Protect countries” Western countries are the biggest exporters of weapons in the world. UK, US, France, they all sell billions of pounds worth of weapons to countries who then use those weapons either on their own people or in neighboring countries for the their own land and resource grabbing gains. The world doesn’t work like a Marvel film, sorry to be the one to tell you this
@@robrechwithoutzaza7992 By arguing there is no agreement you’re therefore agreeing that they have expanded 🤦♂️ and they DID want to joint NATO lol this is common knowledge that takes half a second to look up.
I think there was a missed opportunity to touch on the military training provided to Ukraine after Crimea was invaded. I'm sure other countries were involved but the Canadian operation UNIFIER is the one I'm familiar with. Surely this training has had a profound impact on the Ukrainian army's ability to fight and use these weapons effectively. They haven't just been given weapons thoughtlessly, they were trained to fight like the west.
@@Bantobror I love how the entire contribution by Europe to Ukraine is not even a pocket change for American elite families. Shows and explains why Europe is salty against America. America is always forced to save poor Europeans but acting rich Europeans.
Another mistake is vox forgets to mention that within the antebellum period between the 2014 invasion and the 2022 invasion Ukraine modernized its forces with NATO assistance . They didn't sit idly and wait for Russias subsequent attack
Also, Russia invaded Crimea when Ukraine was overthrowing their Russian president. In the chaos, there was no one to direct troops to defend. Also, Javelins are very advanced weapons that helped shape the war. I don't feel Vox explained these topics well at all...
>without the deaths of American soldiers >without using the latest equipment such as the F-35 and Abrams A1M2 SEPv4 >for just 6% of the US defence budget for 2023 And Russia is forced to mobilise, use 1940s tanks and still can't take a small Ukrainian town for 7 months. What a bargain!
Did you conduct a survey or where did you get the certainty? I would say that for 7% of the annual defense budget to set back the second most important rival of the USA by decades is a bargain.
@@paulwartha8425 Lol, smart people know that old equipment takes maintenance and will be cheaper in the long run if we send it over. A bean counter looks at the budget and says that it's expensive to send Vietnam era M113s and thinks that it's not worth it.
I think it is very important to mention that after the collapse of the Soviet Union Ukraine still had a lot of nuclear weapons, which was inconvenient for Europe and the United States. And Ukraine agreed to give all nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for security guarantees from the largest countries in Europe and the United States. Among other things, this is why Ukraine has the right to ask for help from these countries.
Correction: In January 2023, the UK agreed to send Ukraine advanced tanks. The US agreed to send their advanced tanks after that, followed by Germany and other allies. And at 5:34, the tank shown is an Abrams battle tank, not a Leopard battle tank. EDIT: We’ve updated the video to reflect these changes.
Thanks for the correction, was about to comment on these. Whilst the UK agreed to send tanks, it was a small number that opened the door for the more numerous Leopard Tanks. The Abrams whilst a good tank is not a good fit for the Ukraine Army due to the fuel type and complex operating, they're probably being sent so that people don't question why the US isn't sending tanks when others are.
@@adaster98 Poland aren't interested in buying American tanks, they're interested in the Leopard for it's suitability to their conditions as their 'ace' tank division with a backbone of tanks made up from 1000 South Korean K2 MBT's. Poland want American missiles and aircraft but not their tanks.
US is mostly sending old stock in storage that would need to be replaced anyway and has commited a tiny percentage of its huge economy to supporting Ukraine compared to other European countries. It is an unbelievably good investment compared to the hundreds of billions the US spends every year on defense since it seriously degrades Russias combat ability
I disagree, Russia is not even remotely a threat to the US militarily or economically (outside of nuclear weapons ofc) - their combat ability was never a threat to begin with. The biggest threat to American dominance is undoubtedly China. A slow down of trade, invasion of taiwan, instability in Southeast Asia, etc. can instantly shut down the US economy down overnight. Forcing Russia into a corner where it allies itself with China is not good. People are so desperate to finally be on the 'right side' of a war after decades of military failure that they fail look at the bigger picture - Ukraine is not America's problem, its Europe's. Obviously their cause is just and we should support them, but that cannot come at the cost of what is in the best interests of the US, which does not automatically align with what Ukraine's best interests are.
doge master I don’t think you’re looking at the bigger picture. A successful invasion of Ukraine would encourage China to invade Taiwan. You have to think about the global precedent that would be reinforced if Russia wins Ukraine.
@@dogemaster6079 Even if you're right, us supporting ukraine is making us realize just how lackluster our military manufacturing capability is. We couldn't even handle supporting an ally without needing to setup new factories, imagine getting into a full blown war.
@@SPCv4 Russia was supposed to be the 2nd most powerful military in the world. The US was able to spearhead the invasion and 20 year occupation of two land-locked countries halfway around the world in the middle of the desert, Russia is struggling to run logistics into a country that is literally right next to them and was a former part of their territory for several decades
although US have sent biggest military aid (around 50 bil. $), it is just 5% of the US overall military budget. In the same time Estonia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and some other mostly Baltic countries donated around 20-50% of their military budgets. And considering that Russia is second biggest enemy for the US, spending just 5% of the US 1 year military budged for Ukrain that destroyed almost 50% of russian ground forces's potential - is absolutely brilliant investment for USA.
UK is putting in more effort, but US's effort gets 10x more stuff. Do you want 1% of Warren Buffets wealth or 10% of a bus boy's wealth? Both are important, but for different reason.
@@khiem1939 no lol raw amount matters more lol not percentage, a small portion of the us's budget has contributed more to the Ukrainian war efforts than all of these countries combined, donating 20% of the us budget would be...yeah.
0:50 They are not seeing the bigger picture, "the historic number" is only a fraction of the money the US spent on Afghanistan and Iraq. Proxy wars are cost efficient.
Exactly. One of the West's main antagonists is being destroyed by our second rate material from the 80's and 90's. Compared to how much the US spends on its military any support to Ukraine is a bargain. For the next few decades what country is going to buy Russian military equipment? They're all going to come begging to be allowed to buy American / Western material.
And think of what the US is getting in return. In the one case, they get to blow up some goat herders in the Afghan mountains. In the other case, they get to destroy the (at the time) second strongest military in the world.
Very US centric video, but I guess that makes sense, its just the way you've presented things it makes it appear like europe waits for the US and then copies, but throughout the war we have seen eastern european states take the initiative and provide equipment like artillery and tanks before the US, and if we are just talking non-soviet equipment, the UK were first to train Ukrainian soldiers and first to send NATO standard Main Battle Tanks. However the reason some of this CAN happen is because of the US backfilling these nations or diplomacy happening behind the scenes.
Agreed. It's great to be allied with the US but in general US media seems to think they control the world. They are the leading superpower yes, but they don't control everything. In fact they have only been a superpower for around a hundred years - before WW1 they were only considered a regional power. It was largely the devastation of WW1+2 on Europe and the US military build up caused by the cold war that led to the US being where they are today.
Poland has even sent entire soviet era jets last year and marked them down as "spare parts". Poland and the baltics have taken the lead all along. When vox refers to "Europe" it means Germany and France.
Corrections: 2:50 The Javelin is not an unsophisticated (insignificant) weapon, its the best anti-tank weapon available to the infantry soldier, it's full of advanced components and it was delivered BEFORE the invasion, this was key to the UKR defensive success 5:35 That is not a leopard MBT, that is an Abrams MBT
He said the Javelin is unsophisticated, not insignificant. Which, in the grand scheme of military hardware, it is. He also mentioned explicitly that the US began sending Javelins in 2018 about 40 seconds earlier.
Another correction… the UK decided to donate 2 squadrons of Challenger 2s to UAF 9 days before US and then Germany announced they would, following the meeting at Rammstein AFB. The Challenger and Leopards will arrive months before the Abrams.
They also left out how much training and logistics support that the US and NATO provided to the Ukrainian military after the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014, and also the fact that the US provided them with advance warning of the 2022 invasion. It is very unlikely that they could have stopped the Russians without this help.
The UK was the first to send tanks, Poland and Germany are arguably some of the most dedicated allies and Czechia sent the most relative to their wealth. I still think the US is doing a good thing but they're hardly the only one
@@georgezakusilo1584 Not true at all, in relative terms the UK has sent 7.45% of its military budget to Ukraine where as the USA has sent 5.99% of its military budget. The UK was the first to sent MBTs, the first to train the Ukranian army and the first to apply pressure on Germany to send more that 1000 helmets as aid.
Because UK don't have to worry about any retaliation sitting at the far end of Europe. Also, Brexit makes UK to do something rather than cooling things down.
Let's remember that the dollar value of equipment sent can be highly inflated depensing on the system, javelins or artillery shells who've reached their shelf life can't be compared in cost to brand new ones. Same for the m113 and old bradleys. It seems the numbers we get from authorities tends to create an illusion that all the stuff that is sent to Ukraine is right from the factory.
That’s the first time I’m saying this, but I’m really disappointed with Vox’s research here. Lack of mentioning UK and European enormous support that often came quicker than that of the US. Lack of mentioning that Poland has just send Soviet made MIGs to Ukraine. I mean - this is so much more complicated and that is important for the folks in the US to understand
Yeah. Also, you can't just send fighter jets and call it a day. You need a huge number of trained maintenance people as well as trained pilots. There's a huge amount of infrastructure that you need
@@apathyzen9730 It's not a sports event, it's not about who gave more or less. We're helping Ukraine as much as we only can. True commitment does not equal percents, numbers etc.
Its not so much compared to US military budget. Other countries like Poland and Baltic sent as much as they could and as fast as they could. As they know how important it is for them and for the rest of the world. From safe US it looks much more peaceful than when you have a border with russia. Anyway, here in Ukraine we do appreciate all of the help and support from US and Europe, if not you we had no other choice but to fail against russian invasion. We wont forget our alies and will pay back as soon as we can
Jesus christ! I didn't expect to see people literally from Ukraine in the comments! Hope you and your loved ones stay safe and kick these bullies out! ❤️ 🇺🇦
@@alexcisneros2980 i don't get why are you acting surprised. Like if Ukraine was some 3rd world country with no internet or electricity. Ukrainians are everywhere on the web, just like every other nation.
I normally love Vox, but the lack of research on this one is sad. I'd love to see a follow-up focusing on how important the war in Ukraine is for wider European and American strategy, even in the Pacific.
Basically you can think of this in many ways, none or good. If USA stops aiding Ukraine, Russia might think this as a succsesful terror tactic and then use the same deploys to demand other concessions (NATO leave baltics) and one way or another, it will cause dosunity and distrust among the collective west. Next thing to think about is, what if Putin promises no more wars. Can his Word be trusted. He has lied so many times and broken so many treaties. Lastly what people have to think about, that if USA pulls out of helping Ukraine and whatever Putin does or doesnt do, the market in EU will destabalize, causing harm in USA as EU is maybe the largest market for their supplies and services.
Not mentioned in the video, but considering the type of arms NATO sent in the beginning, they were preparing for Ukraine to fall and continue a guerilla warfare, which would make MBT-s and fighter jets pretty useless and ambush weapons such as rocket launchers more useful. I guess even the US was surprised that Ukraine did not fall.
@@anybodyhandle Germany is a very complicated situation and it is unfair to criticize them like that. After WW2 they were conditioned to not be warlike. This was part of the US plan. Collectively the Germans have a lot of guilt for what they did to Russians in WW2.
People FORGET that during WWII, it was the Ukrainians who were the best fighters of the former Soviet Union, it was the Ukraine where the Moskva was built, since Russia didn't have the CAPABILITY then and cannot replace it today!
@@Remyalexander Do you not mean some T-55s were spotted being moved somewhere, Ive definitely not seen any T-34s. If theres T-34s on the battlefield Russia is in a very bad way 😂
A point to remember is that at the start of the full scale invasion the thinking was that Ukraine would fall to the Russians and the US would rerun the Afghanistan playbook from when the soviets invaded. The CIA can sneak in manportable weapons to an insurgency group, they can't do that for vehicles.
A jet isn't a car you can't just get in it and turn the key you have train on all the system sub-systems and backup system You have to know it's strengths and weakness how it performs in different situations and the best way get the most of it. You can't train for all of that in a sky that also has enemy air craft in it.
It's a good enough explanation. You 4channers that have no jobs and sit in momma's basement and watch 2 hours updates on the front every day because you have no other hobbies need to realize regular people like to watch quick summaries and get on with their day.
I'm from Donetsk. and I am so proud that I am from Ukraine, my town of Selidovo away from me, the city is experiencing shelling from our occupiers. I was forced to leave my home in 2015, but now I will soon return there with the victory of my country Ukraine.
It's all cool and everything, but what about the Budapest Memorandum? This memorandum essentially promises safety to Ukraine in the event of an attack or aggression but Ukraine needed to give it atomic bombs away. As a Ukrainian, I respect the USA and other countries for their support, but at the same time, I have many questions about undelivered promises.
Brother im from Hungary and let me tell you our hotels are full of ukrainians. They walk around happily on the streets.. They can use public transport for FREE, they dont have to buy tickets… They live a better life than most hungarians.
The removal from office of Yanukovych in 2014 was unconstitutional. It was a coup d'etat. This is as much to blame for current events as anything else instigated by the Russians. World power blocks will forever be engaged in the great game of realpolitik seeking to advance their power and territory.
Military equipment don't last forever in storage, they have expiration dates or go obsolete. Decommissioning them also takes a lot manpower and money. A lot of equipments sent to Ukraine fall into the "last generation soon to be decommissioned" category. Compare to trillions wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan, the aid to Ukraine is bargain of the century.
I think it just goes to show how it’s not just the type of weapons but also how much is given… since you can’t just always give some of the smaller artillery, evident by the limiting in supplies. Goes to show how some of the larger artillery likely should’ve been given. But I think Ukraine has shown how well they can do with simple artillery all things considered.
5:28 "Older Models" *shows Panzerhaubitze 2000* one of the most modern or even the most modern artillery there is. Germany has already delivered Gepard (AA tanks) in July 2022 too.
the US and Nato are going to fight for military industrial profit to the last ukranian.... mark my words, ukraine will be a ruined and demoralized husk missing a generation of it's men, it's children scattered and it's daughters raided into the dungeons of epstein types all over the world..... the Americans and EU citizens will be so embarrassed at what they've done, when the truth finally comes out, that the papers will turn away and western people will try to forget they ever supported this mess, on behalf of a corrupt tin-pot regime like zelenski's. winning this war for the west is like trying to win an arm wrestling match at the end of a broomstick. the only thing we can accomplish is the transfer of wealth from american and EU taxpayers, to American weapons manufacturers, and everyday ukranians guts grease the wheel of that machine.... slobba zucchini...
WAITING MORE SUCH INSIGHTFUL VIDEOS, VOX IS ONE OF THE MOST THOUROGH PLATFORMS I HAVE COME ACCROSS ON GEO POLITICAL COVERAGE, HUGE THANKS TO THE TEAM !
You forgot about the fact, that fighter jets (that Ukraine doesn't have) need new infrastructure and logistics. That is why Slovakia can easily send Ukraine mig 29, because Ukraine already has them.
These planes are made in Russia... Ukraine cannot use them because it will have big problems with ammunition, repairs and the fact that Russia knows everything about these aircraft.
thats not true, as wasn't true about tanks and other stuff. Check other news from Europena allies, f16 was in ukraine already and pilots are already top class(from the latest news of the us gov.)
For those who say the US gives too much: The US military budget is 850 BILLION dollars PER YEAR! The US has given around 75 billion to Ukraine as of today. This is only 8% of US yearly budget.
2:45 While it is not an big issue, your map is incorrect. Slovakia borders are not there and it currently looks like Hungary is almost twice it's size (Even though Hungary is not written on the map so it looks like it's all Slovenia)
It's also important to note that the technical edge of Russia has been degraded significantly. They are now using T62s in frontline roles and are dusting off the ancient t54/55s (though there is a good chance that they are (for now) going to be in an artillery role). Their airforce has not been a big factor since the early days. Their artillery has reduced peak shell usage a day by 2/3rds. Their navy has lost its flagship against a nation without a navy. Normally in attritional wars, both sides degrade their abilities. This is a war where the underdog went from being behind in tech to be massively ahead in tech.
the airforce is muted because of the anti-air risk of loss is too high. One thing Russia has in abundance is Anti-Air capabilities. if we sent F-16's over there, they would be easy pickings. Otherwise I agree with your comments.
Imagine loosing a, what, 10 Vs 2? Russian military is still pushing further without even loosing that much viable tech. Rip Russian solders and Ukrainian civilians who are no longer with us
Russia in general is a pure paper tiger and nowhere close to being anything formidable. For a loooong time we legit thought they were the 2nd most powerful military in the world. Turns out they're only the 2nd most powerful military in Ukraine.
I think that the weapons issue is important, obviously. However what is not discussed as often is that the Ukrainian defence force's success is probably more due to the advanced NATO training they received from the Canadian, British and American trainers. There is little or no resemblance between the Ukrainian army of 2014 and the Ukrainian Army of 2023. They have become masters of combined arms warfare.
Considering Ukraine is being invaded by a large country and military power, the fact that the US Government sent the largest amount of weapons to Ukraine compared to other countries makes sense
Well, I mean, come on. You can’t expect the power players of the military-industrial-complex to just pass up a chance to sell more of their weapons, right? They haven’t had a good war to supply since Afghanistan, and the US pulled out of that a whole 6 months ago! That’s so long without being able to satisfy their shareholders and line the pockets of politicians!! The US *had* to get involved.
A genuine request to Vox from a fan: More political explaining video plz, plz, plz, plz. Don't like the frequent droughts at all. Keep up the good work and good luck ❤.
To provide context for any remarks regarding the $42 billion of military aid provided to Ukraine, it is crucial to recognize that the US government fulfilling its commitment and adhered to the Budapest Memorandum. The memorandum between the United States and Ukraine about denuclearization refers to the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994, which aimed at promoting the denuclearization of Ukraine and providing security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons. Additionally, the $42 billion accounts for just 0.18% of the GDP, whereas certain European nations have contributed more than 1% of their GDP. It is interesting to note that Qatar expended $220 billion to host the World Cup in comparison. More context: There have been several agreements and memorandums between the United States and Ukraine regarding nuclear disarmament. The most significant of these was the Budapest Memorandum, which was signed on December 5, 1994, by the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus. The Budapest Memorandum was an agreement aimed at promoting the denuclearization of Ukraine. Under the agreement, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons, which it had inherited from the former Soviet Union, in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia. The three nuclear powers pledged to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and not to use force against it, except in self-defense or in accordance with the United Nations Charter. The Budapest Memorandum was seen as a significant step in reducing the risk of nuclear proliferation, particularly in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. However, its effectiveness was called into question when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, violating Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty. The United States and other signatories of the Budapest Memorandum have condemned Russia's actions and have called for the restoration of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. However, the memorandum does not provide a clear mechanism for enforcing its provisions, and there have been calls for the international community to take stronger action to hold Russia accountable for its actions in Ukraine.
I find it hard to believe that the Americans are rethinking sending in more help. You know what this is!!! Either go big or go home. We’re committed to pushing Russia out. Stop being double minded. I’m in full support of Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
This war has done well... a lot of things such as prove that the russian army is good just on paper, the Ukrainians are very patriotic towards their country and that you shouldn't underestimate a smaller country and currently with what's going on I think that Ukraine will win this war unless of course Russia uses nuclear weapons though Russia using nuclear weapons is going to harm Russia itself a lot as well
Don't underestimate small countries, US learned that way back in Vietnam. Just like how NATO countries are supporting ukriane today china and USSR supported Viet Cong back in the day. It's not easy to simplify these wars.
One thing that has kept Ukraine in this fight is actually their legacy soviet air defence systems. S-300, BUK, OSA. Thats what saved them. Western jets can also help protect these systems since they’re Russia’s main target at the moment
small correction - hardly any modern tanks have been sent (or even considered to be sent), what is sent is mostly old stuff that has been labeled for scrap or corroding away stashed up somewhere. Only handful countries sent their in-service gear
Sure, the military aid the U.S has sent is certainly a large figure. But with how much the U.S spends on weapons, this is pretty much the equivalent of giving the charity workers at your door the loose change you found in your sofa cushions.
If you wanna complain about how little you think America has sent, we are always prepared to stop helping you. Better start teaching your children how to speak Russian.
You obviously are jealous of our superiority so you found a reason to hate on us. look at the numbers without us ukraine woulda have been defeated long ago. our pocket change is still more effort than your entire bank account.
I don’t know if the writer has a limited understanding of Ukraine’s hardware or what the reason is for not mentioning that Ukraine already had very advanced aa SAMs before the war, inherited from the Soviet Union
It's important to understand the other reason the US refused to send more aid for a long period of the war, and that's because the US was well aware that if it sent powerful arms directly, it could gain the attention of the Russians, and effectively start world war 3. None of the sides want that, so they're trying to slowly build up arms in a much more subtle way rather than go all out at the start.
1:28 “ with the help of Ukraine separatist fighters”. this statement is wrong , as it was russian special forces that took over and helped to take Crimea , russian president also admitted it during one of his interview
Barely, it's a tiny percentage of NATO's power being funneled into the Ukrainian military. If NATO was directly involved, Russia would've fallen in days.
Thank you to all our partners for supporting Ukraine in this war. Ukrainians will never forget about it 🙏 by stopping russian in Ukraine we are stopping china as well in their wishes to get Taiwan at least for next few decades
@Zaydan Alfariz Italy has a similar GDP as Russia, looking at one single simple economic metric is next to useless when answering a military question regarding troop training and logistics
And this issue is no problem: Train them. In fact, if they trained them sooner, they would have them by now. But they didn't, so the real issue isn't training. it's something else. And despite the USA giving them to over 20 countries, including some at war, they wont give them to Ukraine? Because "training", really?
@@ryanm2648 it takes 2 years of training to fly an f15. After those two years you are only qualified for flying the aircraft not using the weapons systems.
When in this video you said in 2014 russia annexed creamea please don't forget mention about Budapest memorandum, that United States agreed too protect Ukraine severity, independent exchange for Ukrainian nuclear power 🔋
As a German I have to say one important thing we only waited so long with the tanks because we had concerns about how it would be received and because of our historical background we know what a responsibility we have in Europe today. Slava Ukraine !!
That's about 6% of the US defence budget for 2023 - and Russia already has to send T-54s to the front because of a shortage of newer tanks. Plus, no US military deaths. Absolutely a bargain for the US.
your really brushing over the support Eastern Europeans have given. Poland has sent more tanks that anyone else, one of the only ones to send jets and helicopters, people seem to not consider these because the tanks and jets are eastern designs but they are far from bad weapons. also Polish soveit designs are all rather heavily upgraded and fixed many of the flaws in the original designs
4 things I wish were covered in this video. 1- what currently makes up the Ukranian Armed Forces; the volunteers and the enlisted. 2- What the amount of weaponry and money is pledged and what Ukraine is actually getting. 3- Why is aid really being dragged out? 4- What problems our adversaries are having with this conflict.
#3 is easy, they are slowly depleting Russia of its vehicles, ammo and trained personnel. UKR is holding the positions in a good way. Plus, the US must wait for other countries to take the lead as well because otherwise the old belief that the US funds wars will remain, if the US always takes the lead that belief will continue. #4 is covered too, they are lacking trained personnel, losing vehicles and guns, there are great Twitter accounts covering what is happening on the frontline. #1 and #2 is confidential.
I find it interesting that almost no one mentions the intelligence that the US provides to Ukraine. It's pretty valuable to know what to hit and when to hit it.
It's also pretty valuable to know.
Which is why we (and the Russians) don't know what intelligence they're getting.
It's so valuable that we will only find out long after.
because everything's about America i forget that
You keep your strengths in the shadows
@@hansolowe19 We know that we are now giving them real-time satellite intel.
@@petermello55 exactly.
One extraordinary justification for supporting Ukraine seems to be consistently missed: Ukraine gave up over 1,000 nuclear weapons in exchange for a non-aggression treaty with Russia, and this enabled Russia to attack with impunity in 2014. If the world does not protect countries who gave up nukes for peace, why will any countries do so in the future?
“Protect countries”
Western countries are the biggest exporters of weapons in the world. UK, US, France, they all sell billions of pounds worth of weapons to countries who then use those weapons either on their own people or in neighboring countries for the their own land and resource grabbing gains. The world doesn’t work like a Marvel film, sorry to be the one to tell you this
that was before US ignored the agreement by expanding NATO causing Russia to do the same
@@SlowhobolickerWhat agreement? Can you show me? Because it doesnt exist. Btw Ukraine wanted to join EU, not Nato.
We are all Glad they did, because the troglodytes in control of the Ukraine, would have used them already.
@@robrechwithoutzaza7992 By arguing there is no agreement you’re therefore agreeing that they have expanded 🤦♂️ and they DID want to joint NATO lol this is common knowledge that takes half a second to look up.
I think there was a missed opportunity to touch on the military training provided to Ukraine after Crimea was invaded. I'm sure other countries were involved but the Canadian operation UNIFIER is the one I'm familiar with. Surely this training has had a profound impact on the Ukrainian army's ability to fight and use these weapons effectively. They haven't just been given weapons thoughtlessly, they were trained to fight like the west.
Like they used it in afghanistan, they themselves cant use it properly
Canada and Sweden!
@@Bantobror I love how the entire contribution by Europe to Ukraine is not even a pocket change for American elite families.
Shows and explains why Europe is salty against America. America is always forced to save poor Europeans but acting rich Europeans.
Crimea was occupied by Ukraine, from 1991 to 2014 years
@@alucardbalmond3480 2008 banking crisis, the US bailed out the EU. EU would be part of Russia otherwise.
Another mistake is vox forgets to mention that within the antebellum period between the 2014 invasion and the 2022 invasion Ukraine modernized its forces with NATO assistance . They didn't sit idly and wait for Russias subsequent attack
Yep, and I would add the advance warning of the pending invasion the US gave them in early 2022.
Also, Russia invaded Crimea when Ukraine was overthrowing their Russian president. In the chaos, there was no one to direct troops to defend. Also, Javelins are very advanced weapons that helped shape the war. I don't feel Vox explained these topics well at all...
they modernized their tactics, most of their equipment was still the same.
@@curtis545454 "russian president" is president for whom 90% of Donbass and Crimeans voted
Russian troops have beennin Ukraine since 2014....
>without the deaths of American soldiers
>without using the latest equipment such as the F-35 and Abrams A1M2 SEPv4
>for just 6% of the US defence budget for 2023
And Russia is forced to mobilise, use 1940s tanks and still can't take a small Ukrainian town for 7 months.
What a bargain!
Lets ask the people if it was worth it, every smart person will say no
Did you conduct a survey or where did you get the certainty? I would say that for 7% of the annual defense budget to set back the second most important rival of the USA by decades is a bargain.
@@paulwartha8425 said Paul, a nobody.
@@paulwartha8425 Lol, smart people know that old equipment takes maintenance and will be cheaper in the long run if we send it over. A bean counter looks at the budget and says that it's expensive to send Vietnam era M113s and thinks that it's not worth it.
@@paulwartha8425 If we didn't do this, Russia would be on the front door of Poland & Romania, 2 NATO allies.
I think it is very important to mention that after the collapse of the Soviet Union Ukraine still had a lot of nuclear weapons, which was inconvenient for Europe and the United States. And Ukraine agreed to give all nuclear weapons to Russia in exchange for security guarantees from the largest countries in Europe and the United States. Among other things, this is why Ukraine has the right to ask for help from these countries.
Now all of this makes sense .
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Correction: In January 2023, the UK agreed to send Ukraine advanced tanks. The US agreed to send their advanced tanks after that, followed by Germany and other allies.
And at 5:34, the tank shown is an Abrams battle tank, not a Leopard battle tank.
EDIT: We’ve updated the video to reflect these changes.
Cool , now send f-16
i wonder when you will make a video about US war crimes
@@Lotus102 they got some. "How the US created a disaster in Afghanistan" for example
Thanks for the correction, was about to comment on these. Whilst the UK agreed to send tanks, it was a small number that opened the door for the more numerous Leopard Tanks. The Abrams whilst a good tank is not a good fit for the Ukraine Army due to the fuel type and complex operating, they're probably being sent so that people don't question why the US isn't sending tanks when others are.
And the russe aint happy with the brits for leading the way
The UK was the first to commit to sending main battle tanks, not Germany or the US. (This has now been corrected in the video)
100% I was just about comment on that 👍
what about polish T-72 in april 2022?
@@tenstrateq6262 That’s a Soviet tank rather than Western made
@@adaster98 Poland aren't interested in buying American tanks, they're interested in the Leopard for it's suitability to their conditions as their 'ace' tank division with a backbone of tanks made up from 1000 South Korean K2 MBT's. Poland want American missiles and aircraft but not their tanks.
I was just about to point that out. Thanks!
Don't know whether somebody still watches this video, but thanks for all the support (not only military) you're giving!
US is mostly sending old stock in storage that would need to be replaced anyway and has commited a tiny percentage of its huge economy to supporting Ukraine compared to other European countries. It is an unbelievably good investment compared to the hundreds of billions the US spends every year on defense since it seriously degrades Russias combat ability
I disagree, Russia is not even remotely a threat to the US militarily or economically (outside of nuclear weapons ofc) - their combat ability was never a threat to begin with. The biggest threat to American dominance is undoubtedly China. A slow down of trade, invasion of taiwan, instability in Southeast Asia, etc. can instantly shut down the US economy down overnight. Forcing Russia into a corner where it allies itself with China is not good. People are so desperate to finally be on the 'right side' of a war after decades of military failure that they fail look at the bigger picture - Ukraine is not America's problem, its Europe's. Obviously their cause is just and we should support them, but that cannot come at the cost of what is in the best interests of the US, which does not automatically align with what Ukraine's best interests are.
doge master I don’t think you’re looking at the bigger picture. A successful invasion of Ukraine would encourage China to invade Taiwan.
You have to think about the global precedent that would be reinforced if Russia wins Ukraine.
@@dogemaster6079 Even if you're right, us supporting ukraine is making us realize just how lackluster our military manufacturing capability is. We couldn't even handle supporting an ally without needing to setup new factories, imagine getting into a full blown war.
@@SPCv4 Russia was supposed to be the 2nd most powerful military in the world. The US was able to spearhead the invasion and 20 year occupation of two land-locked countries halfway around the world in the middle of the desert, Russia is struggling to run logistics into a country that is literally right next to them and was a former part of their territory for several decades
Old stock of Javelins, HIMARS, M777s, stingers, drones????? Man you are silly.
although US have sent biggest military aid (around 50 bil. $), it is just 5% of the US overall military budget. In the same time Estonia, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and some other mostly Baltic countries donated around 20-50% of their military budgets.
And considering that Russia is second biggest enemy for the US, spending just 5% of the US 1 year military budged for Ukrain that destroyed almost 50% of russian ground forces's potential - is absolutely brilliant investment for USA.
What matters is the real dollar amount no percentages.
@@kenlandgren4701 Like usual, you are wrong!
@@kenlandgren4701 Yes because let's let them donate 500% of their budget yk, just to make it fair.
UK is putting in more effort, but US's effort gets 10x more stuff. Do you want 1% of Warren Buffets wealth or 10% of a bus boy's wealth? Both are important, but for different reason.
@@khiem1939 no lol raw amount matters more lol not percentage, a small portion of the us's budget has contributed more to the Ukrainian war efforts than all of these countries combined, donating 20% of the us budget would be...yeah.
Vox i freaking love your small documentarys. its the best youtube docs i have seen. keep up the good work love your way to explain and show it.
0:50 They are not seeing the bigger picture, "the historic number" is only a fraction of the money the US spent on Afghanistan and Iraq. Proxy wars are cost efficient.
Exactly. One of the West's main antagonists is being destroyed by our second rate material from the 80's and 90's. Compared to how much the US spends on its military any support to Ukraine is a bargain.
For the next few decades what country is going to buy Russian military equipment? They're all going to come begging to be allowed to buy American / Western material.
I also found it quite irrelevant when Vox compared the help other allies got compared to Ukraine. Like they are occupied and really need it
And think of what the US is getting in return. In the one case, they get to blow up some goat herders in the Afghan mountains. In the other case, they get to destroy the (at the time) second strongest military in the world.
Yeh cost efficient like Usma bin landen was in Pak and had hit trade towers while USA was funding them.😂
IF it's a "proxy war" then it's Nato vs Russia.
Also I am pretty sure Europeans would enjoy less Russian influence, just saying.
You forget that Poland send 250 T-72 tanks in first weeks. Those thans was as good as Russian tanks.
They did say that some countries sent older tanks
Yeah but Britain, Germany and the US are now sending modern tanks, the best of the best
@@TheStopwatchGod Poland send already Leopards.
@@TheStopwatchGod And US is willing to send old Abrams...
@@chujcinaimie No it didn’t. PiS staggered around with the idea of sending but didn’t put in any request.
Very US centric video, but I guess that makes sense, its just the way you've presented things it makes it appear like europe waits for the US and then copies, but throughout the war we have seen eastern european states take the initiative and provide equipment like artillery and tanks before the US, and if we are just talking non-soviet equipment, the UK were first to train Ukrainian soldiers and first to send NATO standard Main Battle Tanks. However the reason some of this CAN happen is because of the US backfilling these nations or diplomacy happening behind the scenes.
Of course. We are the leader. What we do, you follow.
US is doing the most. Just stop it....Putin would have Kyiv by now if not for the US aid.
@Roxx considering russia’s military prowess at display in ukraine, i really doubt that
Agreed. It's great to be allied with the US but in general US media seems to think they control the world. They are the leading superpower yes, but they don't control everything. In fact they have only been a superpower for around a hundred years - before WW1 they were only considered a regional power. It was largely the devastation of WW1+2 on Europe and the US military build up caused by the cold war that led to the US being where they are today.
Poland has even sent entire soviet era jets last year and marked them down as "spare parts". Poland and the baltics have taken the lead all along. When vox refers to "Europe" it means Germany and France.
Corrections:
2:50 The Javelin is not an unsophisticated (insignificant) weapon, its the best anti-tank weapon available to the infantry soldier, it's full of advanced components and it was delivered BEFORE the invasion, this was key to the UKR defensive success
5:35 That is not a leopard MBT, that is an Abrams MBT
He said the Javelin is unsophisticated, not insignificant. Which, in the grand scheme of military hardware, it is. He also mentioned explicitly that the US began sending Javelins in 2018 about 40 seconds earlier.
Yeah I immediately did a double-take at describing the Javelin as 'relatively unsophisticated' - it's not an RPG
Another correction… the UK decided to donate 2 squadrons of Challenger 2s to UAF 9 days before US and then Germany announced they would, following the meeting at Rammstein AFB. The Challenger and Leopards will arrive months before the Abrams.
They also left out how much training and logistics support that the US and NATO provided to the Ukrainian military after the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014, and also the fact that the US provided them with advance warning of the 2022 invasion. It is very unlikely that they could have stopped the Russians without this help.
It said "relatively unsophisticated". Come on dude.
“Unsophisticated” weapons:
“Javelins”
I was thinking the same thing 😂
The UK was the first to send tanks, Poland and Germany are arguably some of the most dedicated allies and Czechia sent the most relative to their wealth. I still think the US is doing a good thing but they're hardly the only one
Germany hardly but Poland and the baltic states are the ones truly carrying Ukraine.
In relative terms - only small EU countries outspent USA. In absolute terms - no countries come even close to USA military aid to Ukraine
@@georgezakusilo1584 Not true at all, in relative terms the UK has sent 7.45% of its military budget to Ukraine where as the USA has sent 5.99% of its military budget.
The UK was the first to sent MBTs, the first to train the Ukranian army and the first to apply pressure on Germany to send more that 1000 helmets as aid.
Because UK don't have to worry about any retaliation sitting at the far end of Europe. Also, Brexit makes UK to do something rather than cooling things down.
Uh, the first to send tanks were Poland... T-72s and PT-91s are still tanks. Other former Warsaw Pact countries also sent Soviet-era tanks.
Let's remember that the dollar value of equipment sent can be highly inflated depensing on the system, javelins or artillery shells who've reached their shelf life can't be compared in cost to brand new ones. Same for the m113 and old bradleys. It seems the numbers we get from authorities tends to create an illusion that all the stuff that is sent to Ukraine is right from the factory.
You are right the junkyard from USA was priced as brand new. The 46 billion is totally unreal to real value or something overpriced.
Yes, it totally feeling like US goverment trying to launder their money and blame Ukraine that they spent too much
A lot of the weapons were set for destruction and it would have cost more to do that than to give it to Ukraine.
if ukraine wins this war you now have an allie on the russian border who is 40 billion dollars in debt to you which is a very big deal
Tell that to Poland
May 2023: F16 Let's Gooooooo!! 😎💪🏿🇺🇦
That’s the first time I’m saying this, but I’m really disappointed with Vox’s research here. Lack of mentioning UK and European enormous support that often came quicker than that of the US. Lack of mentioning that Poland has just send Soviet made MIGs to Ukraine. I mean - this is so much more complicated and that is important for the folks in the US to understand
Yeah. Also, you can't just send fighter jets and call it a day. You need a huge number of trained maintenance people as well as trained pilots. There's a huge amount of infrastructure that you need
Same for the rest of the equipment. Equipment is no good if your people can't use it or can't repair it.
It mentioned Poland sending fighter jets at 6:49.
Did you even watch the video? Poland sending older jets was mentioned.
@@abdulaziz-kt5ih American fighter jets. Poland is sending their Soviet-style ones which Ukraine already has
0:34 Poland is magnanimous, big support relative to size of its economy
And that makes a lot of sense, considering Poland borders Ukraine. I'm sure they don't want Russia creeping up to their border.
Yes, we are. Thank you. ;)
They live between a rock and a hard place.
AFAIK, Baltic states made a bigger commitment in terms of the percent of their economies.
@@apathyzen9730 It's not a sports event, it's not about who gave more or less. We're helping Ukraine as much as we only can. True commitment does not equal percents, numbers etc.
Help Ukraine, do not hesitate!
Russia will be defeated.
@@reiniergarciaPutin and his goons definitely
Its not so much compared to US military budget. Other countries like Poland and Baltic sent as much as they could and as fast as they could. As they know how important it is for them and for the rest of the world. From safe US it looks much more peaceful than when you have a border with russia.
Anyway, here in Ukraine we do appreciate all of the help and support from US and Europe, if not you we had no other choice but to fail against russian invasion. We wont forget our alies and will pay back as soon as we can
Jesus christ! I didn't expect to see people literally from Ukraine in the comments! Hope you and your loved ones stay safe and kick these bullies out! ❤️ 🇺🇦
@@alexcisneros2980 thank you!
I like Vox and their quality videos
@@alexcisneros2980yes, we are here). Thanks a lot for support. 🇺🇦😼
@Alex Cisneros we also watch english speaking channels.
@@alexcisneros2980 i don't get why are you acting surprised. Like if Ukraine was some 3rd world country with no internet or electricity. Ukrainians are everywhere on the web, just like every other nation.
I normally love Vox, but the lack of research on this one is sad. I'd love to see a follow-up focusing on how important the war in Ukraine is for wider European and American strategy, even in the Pacific.
The media really did a great job selling this war to the public, I love wasting resources to enrich arms manufacturers!
Basically you can think of this in many ways, none or good. If USA stops aiding Ukraine, Russia might think this as a succsesful terror tactic and then use the same deploys to demand other concessions (NATO leave baltics) and one way or another, it will cause dosunity and distrust among the collective west. Next thing to think about is, what if Putin promises no more wars. Can his Word be trusted. He has lied so many times and broken so many treaties. Lastly what people have to think about, that if USA pulls out of helping Ukraine and whatever Putin does or doesnt do, the market in EU will destabalize, causing harm in USA as EU is maybe the largest market for their supplies and services.
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If this disappoints you
You really haven’t seen many of Vox’s videos
Very little research goes into these videos
@@bornonthebattlefront4883 then why are you here watching and commenting?
Very informative, thank you. Please share an update after winter 2023.
Not mentioned in the video, but considering the type of arms NATO sent in the beginning, they were preparing for Ukraine to fall and continue a guerilla warfare, which would make MBT-s and fighter jets pretty useless and ambush weapons such as rocket launchers more useful. I guess even the US was surprised that Ukraine did not fall.
Specially France and Germany talked a lot with Putin and not helping Ukraine.
@@anybodyhandle Germany is a very complicated situation and it is unfair to criticize them like that. After WW2 they were conditioned to not be warlike. This was part of the US plan. Collectively the Germans have a lot of guilt for what they did to Russians in WW2.
People FORGET that during WWII, it was the Ukrainians who were the best fighters of the former Soviet Union, it was the Ukraine where the Moskva was built, since Russia didn't have the CAPABILITY then and cannot replace it today!
Yeah, there wasn't a lot of faith for at least the first few days. Let's not forget the US literally offered Zelenskyy an airlift out of Kyiv
@@khiem1939 didnt ukraine get captured within only a few months in ww2? that was where nearly a million soviet soldiers were encircled around kyiv.
I love how we are giving them weaponry that was develop in the 80s but they still proven to be very effective.
Russia is deploying t-34, same tank they used in the 1940's
@@Remyalexander Do you not mean some T-55s were spotted being moved somewhere, Ive definitely not seen any T-34s. If theres T-34s on the battlefield Russia is in a very bad way 😂
@@Remyalexander NOT YET! But I would NOT be surprised to see them deployed in the Ukraine SOON!
@@weandyrfc7 True, those were T-55s that were recently shown on the train delivering them to the Ukraine!
And that is the reason why ukraine keep losing more land to russia
A point to remember is that at the start of the full scale invasion the thinking was that Ukraine would fall to the Russians and the US would rerun the Afghanistan playbook from when the soviets invaded. The CIA can sneak in manportable weapons to an insurgency group, they can't do that for vehicles.
The video was actually Renamed, The video was called "How US Weapons changed Ukraine".
The world fearing larger escalation while Russia commits war crimes and invades a sovereign country. It’s giving 1940s vibes
Or 2003 vibes
So scary 😳😨😰😰😰😰😓😓😓😓😱😱😱😱😱 not the vibes I was expecting
It's giving Rwanda vibes
1938 Vibea
1970s*
1940s it already did escalate, they were already using the deadliest weapons they could
"We're sending them too much." I'm constantly surprised that my fellow Americans don't understand world politics.
French are already training Ukrainian pilots. There is real possibility we could see Ukrainians flying mirages soon.
source?
A jet isn't a car you can't just get in it and turn the key you have train on all the system sub-systems and backup system You have to know it's strengths and weakness how it performs in different situations and the best way get the most of it. You can't train for all of that in a sky that also has enemy air craft in it.
@@SaltySalesSages Maybe they will not be as experienced as we would like but that doesn't mean they can't be effective.
8 minutes? You can't possibly explain this good enough in 8 mins.
that's already triple the attention span of Americans
10% to the big guy
It's a good enough explanation. You 4channers that have no jobs and sit in momma's basement and watch 2 hours updates on the front every day because you have no other hobbies need to realize regular people like to watch quick summaries and get on with their day.
I recommend DW for their excellent, sober and daily reporting from Ukraine
"How well is Ukraine gonna fight with what they have?"
I have an answer!
It has always been:
"Better than anyone may expect".
I'm from Donetsk. and I am so proud that I am from Ukraine, my town of Selidovo away from me, the city is experiencing shelling from our occupiers. I was forced to leave my home in 2015, but now I will soon return there with the victory of my country Ukraine.
It's all cool and everything, but what about the Budapest Memorandum? This memorandum essentially promises safety to Ukraine in the event of an attack or aggression but Ukraine needed to give it atomic bombs away. As a Ukrainian, I respect the USA and other countries for their support, but at the same time, I have many questions about undelivered promises.
Brother im from Hungary and let me tell you our hotels are full of ukrainians. They walk around happily on the streets.. They can use public transport for FREE, they dont have to buy tickets… They live a better life than most hungarians.
@@Elena29564 I don't think "losing everything they have" is worth of free ticket. I appreciate everything people do to support the nation though.
I thought Ukraine was protected only if the opposite side used Nuclear weapons
The removal from office of Yanukovych in 2014 was unconstitutional. It was a coup d'etat. This is as much to blame for current events as anything else instigated by the Russians. World power blocks will forever be engaged in the great game of realpolitik seeking to advance their power and territory.
That's why one needs own abilities, not only to look at the lips of strong (?) allies, expressing concern and going through their dilemmas
Military equipment don't last forever in storage, they have expiration dates or go obsolete. Decommissioning them also takes a lot manpower and money. A lot of equipments sent to Ukraine fall into the "last generation soon to be decommissioned" category. Compare to trillions wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan, the aid to Ukraine is bargain of the century.
Exactly
As we know technology changes fast, all that will be just góod museum collection
I think it just goes to show how it’s not just the type of weapons but also how much is given… since you can’t just always give some of the smaller artillery, evident by the limiting in supplies. Goes to show how some of the larger artillery likely should’ve been given. But I think Ukraine has shown how well they can do with simple artillery all things considered.
When they get the Archer system they will be able to safely take out Russian artillery pieces.
I look forward to that.
Don't forget the people around the globe flying out to help as well.
5:28 "Older Models" *shows Panzerhaubitze 2000* one of the most modern or even the most modern artillery there is. Germany has already delivered Gepard (AA tanks) in July 2022 too.
they are even getting the Swedish artillery system "Archer"
Gepards are kinda a deathtrap in 2023. But in the anti-infantry role and anti-helicopter role, it can probably do really well.
Can't be modern if it was made 23 years ago 🥱
@@honkhonk8009Gepards are terrific for shooting down those Shaheed drones.
@@alexcisneros2980 With that analogy the F-22 wouldn't be modern either
I can only imagine the dominance and respect Ukraine and its elite battlehardend army will have on the the world stage after the war
the US and Nato are going to fight for military industrial profit to the last ukranian....
mark my words, ukraine will be a ruined and demoralized husk missing a generation of it's men, it's children scattered and it's daughters raided into the dungeons of epstein types all over the world.....
the Americans and EU citizens will be so embarrassed at what they've done, when the truth finally comes out, that the papers will turn away and western people will try to forget they ever supported this mess, on behalf of a corrupt tin-pot regime like zelenski's.
winning this war for the west is like trying to win an arm wrestling match at the end of a broomstick. the only thing we can accomplish is the transfer of wealth from american and EU taxpayers, to American weapons manufacturers, and everyday ukranians guts grease the wheel of that machine....
slobba zucchini...
If there remains a Ukraine
Does war get you off?
@@maxdavis1483 I think it's best if you wonder whether *you* will exist, Sergeant Conscriptovich LOL
WAITING MORE SUCH INSIGHTFUL VIDEOS, VOX IS ONE OF THE MOST THOUROGH PLATFORMS I HAVE COME ACCROSS ON GEO POLITICAL COVERAGE, HUGE THANKS TO THE TEAM !
I would call an RPG or a grenade launcher as an unsophisticated weapon... but not a javelin.
Its pretty unbelievable how this doesn't go over the second biggest supplier of ground equipment which is the UK.
Shoutout to whoever came up with the visual concept for this video, amazing work!
Anyone notice that the icon that they use for depicting F-16s is actually a Mig 29 fulcrum?😂
Thanks USA for the support, we really appreciate it 🇺🇦❤️🇺🇲
5:35 Bruh thats an M1A2. Also, it was the Brits who broke the flood gates of MBT supplies, not the US.
Who are you to question Vox?
@@neilnelson7603 Who are you to question Nomadic_Warrior - he has Warrior in nickname :D
@@izinko Keyboard Warrior, you mean? 😁
@@PerryDaPlatapus You know nobody cares, right?
@@PerryDaPlatapus Says another nobody
You forgot about the fact, that fighter jets (that Ukraine doesn't have) need new infrastructure and logistics. That is why Slovakia can easily send Ukraine mig 29, because Ukraine already has them.
These planes are made in Russia... Ukraine cannot use them because it will have big problems with ammunition, repairs and the fact that Russia knows everything about these aircraft.
thats not true, as wasn't true about tanks and other stuff. Check other news from Europena allies, f16 was in ukraine already and pilots are already top class(from the latest news of the us gov.)
For those who say the US gives too much:
The US military budget is 850 BILLION dollars PER YEAR! The US has given around 75 billion to Ukraine as of today. This is only 8% of US yearly budget.
Much love to Ukraine💙💛from🇺🇸
Иди нахуй ебаный пидр,у тебя мать шлюха и отец пидорас
2:45 While it is not an big issue, your map is incorrect. Slovakia borders are not there and it currently looks like Hungary is almost twice it's size (Even though Hungary is not written on the map so it looks like it's all Slovenia)
4:28 Slovakia present.
Looks like they draw borders only for marked countries.
Looking at that map, it seems like Austria- Hungary made a comeback.
bro they only marked supporting countries on the map are u ok?
This was very informative! The music in the beginning was awesome
It's also important to note that the technical edge of Russia has been degraded significantly. They are now using T62s in frontline roles and are dusting off the ancient t54/55s (though there is a good chance that they are (for now) going to be in an artillery role). Their airforce has not been a big factor since the early days. Their artillery has reduced peak shell usage a day by 2/3rds. Their navy has lost its flagship against a nation without a navy. Normally in attritional wars, both sides degrade their abilities. This is a war where the underdog went from being behind in tech to be massively ahead in tech.
the airforce is muted because of the anti-air risk of loss is too high. One thing Russia has in abundance is Anti-Air capabilities. if we sent F-16's over there, they would be easy pickings. Otherwise I agree with your comments.
Imagine loosing a, what, 10 Vs 2? Russian military is still pushing further without even loosing that much viable tech.
Rip Russian solders and Ukrainian
civilians who are no longer with us
Russia in general is a pure paper tiger and nowhere close to being anything formidable. For a loooong time we legit thought they were the 2nd most powerful military in the world. Turns out they're only the 2nd most powerful military in Ukraine.
Title: How Western Weapons transformed the war in Ukraine
The video: *WHAT IS MURICA DOIN?!*
I remember when I was a kid the content like this was talking wars in middle east countries
All those poor brown kids we terrorized…
I think that the weapons issue is important, obviously. However what is not discussed as often is that the Ukrainian defence force's success is probably more due to the advanced NATO training they received from the Canadian, British and American trainers. There is little or no resemblance between the Ukrainian army of 2014 and the Ukrainian Army of 2023. They have become masters of combined arms warfare.
Considering Ukraine is being invaded by a large country and military power, the fact that the US Government sent the largest amount of weapons to Ukraine compared to other countries makes sense
Well, I mean, come on. You can’t expect the power players of the military-industrial-complex to just pass up a chance to sell more of their weapons, right? They haven’t had a good war to supply since Afghanistan, and the US pulled out of that a whole 6 months ago! That’s so long without being able to satisfy their shareholders and line the pockets of politicians!! The US *had* to get involved.
@@Tustin2121 it's a win win for us and Ukraine
Democracy has to supported and saved to the extreme extent possible
Democracy label of west have weakened caus you have done dictatorship kind of work
Thanks to all our allies. You saved me and my family!
Imagine 46B$ of food aid for its own American population
we dont need food you dunce
America's obesity rates would be over 80%.
@@carterjones8126 ya we should probably ban high fructose corn syrup and lock up the CEO’s of Coke, McDonalds, etc.
Why are they going to eat tanks and jets ?
Excellent coverage
A genuine request to Vox from a fan: More political explaining video plz, plz, plz, plz. Don't like the frequent droughts at all.
Keep up the good work and good luck ❤.
To provide context for any remarks regarding the $42 billion of military aid provided to Ukraine, it is crucial to recognize that the US government fulfilling its commitment and adhered to the Budapest Memorandum.
The memorandum between the United States and Ukraine about denuclearization refers to the Budapest Memorandum signed in 1994, which aimed at promoting the denuclearization of Ukraine and providing security assurances to Ukraine in exchange for giving up its nuclear weapons.
Additionally, the $42 billion accounts for just 0.18% of the GDP, whereas certain European nations have contributed more than 1% of their GDP. It is interesting to note that Qatar expended $220 billion to host the World Cup in comparison.
More context:
There have been several agreements and memorandums between the United States and Ukraine regarding nuclear disarmament. The most significant of these was the Budapest Memorandum, which was signed on December 5, 1994, by the United States, the United Kingdom, Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus.
The Budapest Memorandum was an agreement aimed at promoting the denuclearization of Ukraine. Under the agreement, Ukraine agreed to give up its nuclear weapons, which it had inherited from the former Soviet Union, in exchange for security assurances from the United States, the United Kingdom, and Russia. The three nuclear powers pledged to respect Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity and not to use force against it, except in self-defense or in accordance with the United Nations Charter.
The Budapest Memorandum was seen as a significant step in reducing the risk of nuclear proliferation, particularly in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. However, its effectiveness was called into question when Russia annexed Crimea in 2014, violating Ukraine's territorial integrity and sovereignty.
The United States and other signatories of the Budapest Memorandum have condemned Russia's actions and have called for the restoration of Ukraine's sovereignty and territorial integrity. However, the memorandum does not provide a clear mechanism for enforcing its provisions, and there have been calls for the international community to take stronger action to hold Russia accountable for its actions in Ukraine.
Very good video it explains everything in shorts cut
This aged well! 🤣🤣🤣
At the beginning of the war Poland sent 242 T72 tanks. Was first. Remember that :)
It's pretty weird watching a Vox video about something I already know so much about, but it's nice to have a summary every now and again.
Title should read " Military Industrial Complex is making record profits "
I find it hard to believe that the Americans are rethinking sending in more help. You know what this is!!! Either go big or go home. We’re committed to pushing Russia out. Stop being double minded. I’m in full support of Ukraine 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
This war has done well... a lot of things such as prove that the russian army is good just on paper, the Ukrainians are very patriotic towards their country and that you shouldn't underestimate a smaller country and currently with what's going on I think that Ukraine will win this war unless of course Russia uses nuclear weapons though Russia using nuclear weapons is going to harm Russia itself a lot as well
The use of Nuclear Weapons will be the rapid END of Russia as a Nation!
Bro this war is literally Russia vs. NATO🤣
Don't underestimate small countries, US learned that way back in Vietnam. Just like how NATO countries are supporting ukriane today china and USSR supported Viet Cong back in the day. It's not easy to simplify these wars.
@Kasper Schneider yet nato still hasn't shown up, it's Ukraine with 80 billion in aid from across the world vs Ruzzia lol
@@superpieman5773 Ukraine literally got aid more than almost twice as whole Russia's military budget💀
One thing that has kept Ukraine in this fight is actually their legacy soviet air defence systems. S-300, BUK, OSA. Thats what saved them. Western jets can also help protect these systems since they’re Russia’s main target at the moment
показал нам ИРИС немецкий, как правильно НЕ догонять ракету
small correction - hardly any modern tanks have been sent (or even considered to be sent), what is sent is mostly old stuff that has been labeled for scrap or corroding away stashed up somewhere. Only handful countries sent their in-service gear
Sure, the military aid the U.S has sent is certainly a large figure. But with how much the U.S spends on weapons, this is pretty much the equivalent of giving the charity workers at your door the loose change you found in your sofa cushions.
If you wanna complain about how little you think America has sent, we are always prepared to stop helping you. Better start teaching your children how to speak Russian.
You obviously are jealous of our superiority so you found a reason to hate on us. look at the numbers without us ukraine woulda have been defeated long ago. our pocket change is still more effort than your entire bank account.
I don’t know if the writer has a limited understanding of Ukraine’s hardware or what the reason is for not mentioning that Ukraine already had very advanced aa SAMs before the war, inherited from the Soviet Union
Amazing infographics guys. kudos
Let's give Ukraine everything they need to win.
It is still losing
@@tekinet7958 keep coping
@@Sam_Sam2 insulting me won't change facts
Biden says he doesn’t need F-16s now, he needs ice cream 🍦
GLORY TO UKRAINE
Хероям САЛА!
It's important to understand the other reason the US refused to send more aid for a long period of the war, and that's because the US was well aware that if it sent powerful arms directly, it could gain the attention of the Russians, and effectively start world war 3. None of the sides want that, so they're trying to slowly build up arms in a much more subtle way rather than go all out at the start.
You only know what the government wants you to. Not to sound like one of those conspiracy freaks, but there is a greater game of chess being played.
that's said in the video
Btw Vox, at 5:34 that's the M1 Abram tank not the Leopard tank.
Didn't you get the memo? those tanks changed their pronouns
Ive been seeing a lot of tank mixups recently. Is this that common of a mistake? It’s not these specific tanks, just tanks in general.
@@neilnelson7603 hahaha
It isn't the m1 Abrams
That's a leopard 2
1:28 “ with the help of Ukraine separatist fighters”. this statement is wrong , as it was russian special forces that took over and helped to take Crimea , russian president also admitted it during one of his interview
So in short its NATO vs Russia
Of course it is.. it always has been
Barely, it's a tiny percentage of NATO's power being funneled into the Ukrainian military. If NATO was directly involved, Russia would've fallen in days.
Or Russia Federation which includes Belarus
By proxy yes
Thank you to all our partners for supporting Ukraine in this war. Ukrainians will never forget about it 🙏 by stopping russian in Ukraine we are stopping china as well in their wishes to get Taiwan at least for next few decades
China is a sleeping monster if they want Taiwan they will get it.
The track at the end.... Hats off to the composer!
I think the issue with f-16s is more than Ukrainians pilots aren't trained to fly them and ground crews aren't trained on how to service them
@Zaydan Alfariz Because Ukrainians pilots aren't trained to fly them and ground crews aren't trained on how to service them
@Zaydan Alfariz because Indonesia bought the f16s at a time where they could take their time in acquiring the required equipment, pilots, etc.
@Zaydan Alfariz Italy has a similar GDP as Russia, looking at one single simple economic metric is next to useless when answering a military question regarding troop training and logistics
And this issue is no problem: Train them. In fact, if they trained them sooner, they would have them by now.
But they didn't, so the real issue isn't training. it's something else. And despite the USA giving them to over 20 countries, including some at war, they wont give them to Ukraine? Because "training", really?
@@ryanm2648 it takes 2 years of training to fly an f15. After those two years you are only qualified for flying the aircraft not using the weapons systems.
When in this video you said in 2014 russia annexed creamea please don't forget mention about Budapest memorandum, that United States agreed too protect Ukraine severity, independent exchange for Ukrainian nuclear power 🔋
I still cant believe we sent that much money to a corrupt country
awesome video! also first
As a German I have to say one important thing we only waited so long with the tanks because we had concerns about how it would be received and because of our historical background we know what a responsibility we have in Europe today. Slava Ukraine !!
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Yes germans have responsibilities in front of ukraine, especially after german occupation of ukraine
The MOST important and significant thing USA gives Ukraine is real-time battlefield intel
46 Billions, but still no Healthcare...
That's about 6% of the US defence budget for 2023 - and Russia already has to send T-54s to the front because of a shortage of newer tanks.
Plus, no US military deaths.
Absolutely a bargain for the US.
That's because US is busy sending money to other countries all the time. Europe is rich but still lives on american taxpayers.
your really brushing over the support Eastern Europeans have given. Poland has sent more tanks that anyone else, one of the only ones to send jets and helicopters, people seem to not consider these because the tanks and jets are eastern designs but they are far from bad weapons.
also Polish soveit designs are all rather heavily upgraded and fixed many of the flaws in the original designs
great video 👍
It's astounding how we have been so deeply involved in this war. More than $40 Billion??? WOW! I want us out of there!
The US was never in there. Russia will give up soon anyhow.
4 things I wish were covered in this video. 1- what currently makes up the Ukranian Armed Forces; the volunteers and the enlisted. 2- What the amount of weaponry and money is pledged and what Ukraine is actually getting. 3- Why is aid really being dragged out? 4- What problems our adversaries are having with this conflict.
Bruh those are not public informations
#3 is easy, they are slowly depleting Russia of its vehicles, ammo and trained personnel. UKR is holding the positions in a good way. Plus, the US must wait for other countries to take the lead as well because otherwise the old belief that the US funds wars will remain, if the US always takes the lead that belief will continue. #4 is covered too, they are lacking trained personnel, losing vehicles and guns, there are great Twitter accounts covering what is happening on the frontline. #1 and #2 is confidential.
We know why aid is being dragged out, though it differs country to country.
Victory to Ukraine 🇺🇦, and shame on Vladimir Putin