Superman II Pitch Meeting
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Released in 1980, “Superman II” is a sequel to the super popular Superman I, and it was also followed by Superman III. They really nailed the numbers on these. Superman 2 continues the Man of Steel’s adventures as he battles Kryptonian villains including General Zod amidst the growing popularity of superhero films during the late 70s and early 80s.
Superman II definitely raises some questions though. Like where did Marlon Brando go? Why didn’t Lex Luthor just shut his lights? Why are snake bites so painful? Why did Superman have to give up his powers and then get them back so easily? What was with that cellophane S?
To answer all these questions, check out the pitch meeting that led to Superman II.
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The Cosby connection to that scene is diabolical. An easter egg that would take decades to get lol!
What's the connection?
@@MugiwaraWayne Cosby is well known for promoting sleeping pills.
Wow, wow, wow…. wow. pudding
@@MugiwaraWayne Bill Cosby has been accused of drugging women and having sex with them.
@@MugiwaraWaynekissing women and them not remembering? 🤷🏾♂️
Clark Kent wears glasses, Superman doesn't. Screenwriter guy wears glasses, Producer guy doesn't. Wait.... I see what's going on here!!!
What are you talking about??
There's a great scene in the first movie, where Clark Kent considers revealing his big secret to Lois, that shows how Christopher Reeve completely changed his body language when playing Clark and Superman.
@@zombiedodge1426yeah, that was a hell of a bit of acting there.
Yep. You've figured it out: the eyewear industry spends a lot on product placement.
Yep, Screenwriter Guy wears glasses and Producer Guy doesn’t. That’s how we know that they’re two different people. I’m glad someone with a Time Machine went back and applied that to the Superman stuff so we’d be prepared for it in this day and age.
"Superman too" into "Superman 2" tickled my brain.
Changed it from Superman Too to 2. :-)
I didn't quite get that joke until reading this comment. 😂
Also kind of refers to how it can be nice to add a little extra to the movie title, like "Superman 2: Lets Have Sex" or "Superman 2: Powers can be removed" or "Superman 2: Goofy writers write goofy things".
Or more seriously "Superman 2: Prisoners of The Phantom Zone"
Was the first movie called “Superman too”? If so, why? Who was also superman??
@@jessodum3103 maybe consider a career as a producer guy :P
I watched this at the drive-in in Australia in 1982 and when Lex Luthor said he wanted Australia everyone honked their car horns.
Were they honks of approval?
@MichaelPalin Lex Luthor is very popular with Aussies it seems 🤔
Haaaa that's awesome.
Australia still has drive-ins, which tickles my fancy. Went to one a couple of years ago while in OZ, after only knowing them from movies for decades.
>the drive-in in Australia
Is there only one?
@@egregius9314so does America
"He kisses her, and all the memories are gone. Oh! And there is also a Bill Cosby picture on the wall!"
"Can you explain to me why you did that?"
"Super slowly, in barely a quarter-century..."
That opening 'Superman Too' joke is perfection. 😘
I only wonder how many people even caught that. 😁 A lot of his subtle digs or quips go right over thousands of little YTer heads.
Is the follow-up joke about the sequel being a number two deliberate? 🤗
@@Novastar.SaberCombatIt went over my head the first time
@@Novastar.SaberCombatare you real ?
I like how screenwriter guy doesn't even bother correcting producer guy anymore on misunderstandings like that, he just moves past it.
I always loved how obvious it was that Lois wanted Superman, NOT Clark, but has to pretend not to be that shallow.
Lana Lang wanted Clark NOT Superman in part 3.
Funnily it's only slightly more shallow than actually liking Clark Kent. The only person more boring than Clark is Superman, both versions of him are just generic handsome dudes with no personality.
@@TheGrumbliestPuppywell that’s just a blatant misunderstanding of the character
@@TheGrumbliestPuppyamen
If Clark never gets his powers back his life is going to really, really suck. Adjusting to pain and sickness, the guilt over knowing thousands die because he can't save them, and remembering that week, week and a half with Lois before she dumps him for Green Lantern.
Man, that plot point where he arbitrarily has to give up his powers really is stupid. Thank god he was able to regain those cellophane S's and memory wiping kisses though.
I'd give anything to see an alternate Henry Cavill fan film where he's just goin' around cellophaning his foes left and right. And then, we cut to Amy Adams asking about "the S"...
"On my planet, it signified hope."
😂🤣😂 💪😎✌️
Yeah, for some reason when his parents shot him into space in a chandelier to escape the destruction of his world they also wanted him to live alone and die a virgin.
@@rebel_diamonds maybe they wanted him to be like a priest/monk and just serve others 😅
@@priscillajimenez27 Mink only serve by giving up their fur.
In that scene with the Kryptonians he was also teleporting.
I don't think the cellophane S is as bad as when in the comics he had the ability to create and launch miniature supermen from his fingertips.
Not sure if any of that is as bad as what happens with pink kryptonite (there are a bunch of different colors of kryptonite, each does something different to kryptonians).
Regarding the magic kiss that Clark gives Lois to make her forget everything ...
If he has that kind of power, ... wouldn't it be silly if he were to just find out where any bad guys are planning their sinister deeds and go from hideout to hideout, lair to lair, and just saying "Excuse me" (SMOOCH) and then leave?
They're still alive, unharmed, and have forgotten their nefarious intentions.
Superman the SMOOCHERMAN!!!
Lol, they literally did that in Robot Chicken.
Sheer genius.
_SMOOCHERMAN_ 🤭
i think that movie was made by a different kind of studio
Ah man you have me CRYING 😂
This reminds me of the Batman pitch meeting, with one of my favorite jokes: "Yeah, remember when you were a child and you asked your mom, 'Can I have some of that sweet, sweet condensed milk?' And she would say, 'Not until you brush mother's hair, not until you brush it good.'"
"Wow, sounds like you had a messed up childhood."
"Oh, did I? That explains a lot."
I can't taste Sweet, Sweet Condensed Milk without that joke playing in my head.
Each lick of that Sweet, Sweet Condensed Milk... I start to realize how many levels that joke had.
Can you tell me which exact batman pitch meeting is this?
That was for Batman Begins I believe.
You mean "Not until you've brushed mother's hair! Not until you've brushed it well!"
That was one of my favorite jokes as well, so good!
Saying "That'd be NUTS" after him saying "Blowing everybody in the streets..." almost flew over my head.
In all honesty, I don't know if most people recognize just how savvy a writer Ryan G. is. And whatever the case, I'd actually be vvveeerrry interested in seeing him do three things:
1. Write his own film, trilogy, or whatever.
2. Seriously analyze some EXCELLENT films and highlight the brilliance in the writing, shots, arcs, etc.
3. Create Pitch Meetings for UNKNOWN people's projects (whether books, films, or shorts).
Came here to see if anyone else noticed it
Catching subtle nut-references is TIGHT!
He blew me
away with his lines.
lmao - best quote ever!
“So do you have a original comment for me”
“No sir i dont”
Knocking up journalists and erasing their memories is TIGHT!
"Would it be easy to make an orignal comment?"
"Actually it's super difficult, very inconvenient."
“So do you have a original comment for me”
“No sir i dont”
That works
“Ohhh, being uncreative is TIGHT!”
“Yeah it is!”
"this guy's reading the script? He's got all kinds of super powers." That works on so many levels.
how?
It works for Deadpool.
@@warnegoodman Silver Age bsery.
@@molochi She-Hulk did it before Deadpool. As far back 1989 with Sensational She-Hulk Vol #1 Issue #1
Deadpool meanwhile was originally just a Deathstroke ripoff from his debut in the 90s until the mid 2000s.
Is the story of a comic book considered a script?
Why didn’t I notice the vulnerability to snake bites while being bulletproof? Can’t believe I missed that.
It's like in the old 1950's superman shows where bad guys would empty a pistol into Superman's chest, and he would just stand there letting the bullets bounce off him. But when the badguy then threw his empty pistol at him, Superman would duck.
I watched this movie dozens of times when I was a kid, and never thought twice about it.
it's a litlle known fact that snakes have kryptonite teeth
@@timmorren That always made me lol.
I always took it like they were still developing their powers at that point in time, so she wasn't yet invulnerable.
Superman is a wizard with powers that fit whatever the plot needs at the time.
That really was Silver Age Superman. Hypnotism, magnetism, ventriloquism...
Hopefully, we get Superman 3 and 4 Pitch Meetings too
Why do you want to torture Ryan George?
"It's going to be pretty difficult for Lex Luthor to create an enemy just as powerful as Superman using only a strand of his hair." "Actually it's going to be super easy, barely an inconvenience."
because money
The writer trying to fight for the original script of Superman 4 would be it tight.
Pitch Meeting 2. Who is the main character?
**Superman snaps Zod's neck**
Audience: That's messed up!
**Superman crushes Zod's hand into sawdust, picks him up with a smirk and throws him to his death at the bottom of an arctic chasm**
Audience: That's funny!
ikr!
It's interesting audiences react so differently nowadays. Same with prudishness; in the old days everyone showered together with their own gender after school gymnastics, now people wear underwear in order not to be exposed in the public shower, or they demand stalls.
Not saying 'good old days' but it's an interesting development.
Not only that, but *snaps zod's neck to save innocent people* vs *throws a powerless Zod to his death after crushing his hand just because he can*. Granted Zod and company would still be terrorists trying to take over the world, but the circumstances that people complained about were totally different.
The movie convention in this case is that a villain isn't killed if he isn't confirmed killed. Zod being thrown away has him dispatched, not killed. ready to return in possible sequels.
Case in point, the extended footage showed the three Kryptonians having survived the fall and being arrested, confirming that Superman didn't kill Zod.
But, speaking of differences, I would like to point out that this Superman actually takes the fight with Zod away from the city, something that the other one doesn't even try to do (and in fact seems to be pretty happy with throwing Zod against buildings).
That's just like people complaining that Snyder's Batman kills people but no one cared when Burton's Batman did it.
@@themantyf1116 The difference being that Zod in MOS didn't want to kill Superman, but to kill people (he wouldn't have left and flown after Superman).
"... So now they want hamburgers." Best transition ever! 😂😂
That was always super weird to me. I mean, sure, Lois and Clark would obviously get hungry, but if they just had a private dinner, why would they go to some janky arse diner?! What, was it their favorite place near the Daily P? And if so, did they see that "bully guy" often?! Like, wtf... why would anyone do that? Seems like they could just go shopping, head back to Lois' APT, and cook together. #PlotPoints #LOL
@@Novastar.SaberCombatSuperman has never experienced eating as a human. Going to a diner for burgers is the most human decision he's ever made.
@@John_Locke_108 Except for the thousands of times with his parents on Earth during the time his powers weren´t developed as a kid/teen?
@@lenoigel2626 That doesn't count. He could drink bleach and not feel anything. He could drink beer and not drunk.
But now he's human which means he can experience the joy of a greasy burger from a dirty diner. Nothing is finer.
The old Dodge they drive to the diner is actually footage from the first movie, when Lex Luthor stages the car accident so they can mess with the nuclear missiles.
Superman's tights are tight
Crazy coincidence that I watched Superman 2 last night for the first time since I was a kid, and you uploaded this pitch meeting the next day.
“I was thinking we could call it Superman too” 😂
Granted, the sequel to "Suicide Squad" is "The Suicide Squad". But in slavic languages (Russian, Polish, etc.) they officially translate it from Suicide Squad 2 because there is literally no word for "the" in those languages.
I'll be honest, I didn't get that joke until I saw your comment
that one flew way over my head
The producers hated working with Richard Donner so much they decided if Superman was a hit, they'd fire him and if it was a flop they'd force him to finish the already-in-production sequel as punishment.
Superman was a smash so, halfway through shooting the sequel the fired Donner and replaced him with the dude who directed the Beatles movie. Hence the sudden appearance of Wacky Hijinx and slapstick.
To be fair, i always preferred Superman II over the original.
The wackiness really makes a mark from the third part onward.
Richard Lester's only other directing credit was the goofy Hard Day's Night.
That's like firing Tim Burton and replacing him with Joel Schumacher, or firing Zack Snyder and replacing him with Joss Whedon
@@MrRezRising He had directed 25 other projects before that, he had plenty of experience.
@@ObsessiveGeek I guess he just sucked then, and he would have been better off if you didn't mention that.
I mean, being compared to Richard Donner is hard enough, but it was excusable when it was mostly his 'debut'.
S2 was a great movie when I was a kid. Now, S1 is number one.
“Oh luring people to your lair is tight!” Perfectly normal for Producer Guy!
It was a setup for the Cosby dig. 💪😎✌️ #Subtle
Perfectly normal for Hollywood
You reviewed the Theatrical version of the film. The Director's cut has a waaaaaay better scene of Lois finding out that Clark is Superman by shooting him point-blank in the face lmao. Much better than him tripping into a fireplace.
Wait, _Lois_ shot Clark? Point blank?? In the face???
@@MerryGoldberry "You know Lois, if you had been wrong, Clark Kent would have been killed."
"With a blank?"
*Clark sighs.*
"Gotcha."
Yeah, but it also has Superman winding the Earth backwards to erase the whole movie so swings and roundabouts.
(Also, not so much the Director's Cut as The Cut Done By Some Random Person Based Loosely On Richard Donner's Original Plan So That Scene Was Never Even Shot And We Had To Use Some Audition Footage Which Is Why It Looks A Bit Crap.
True, that scene is so much cleverer than that idiotic "I'll just throw myself down Niagara Falls then" strategy.
@@Julia-lk8jn I dunno, I think both options are about 1000% too ridiculous
I can't believe the opening "Superman, too/Superman 2" joke flew right over my head.
No I think that was a bird. Could've been a plane
That slide show at the end really brought back some memories of the thing I just watched.
We really needed an eight minute recap of the last video to start with.
😂
I totally forgot about that snake bite! hahaha
Yeah don’t have the excuse that she reacted on instinct, she definitely felt pain. So maybe it was a kryptonian snake that just happened to in the exact spot they landed.
Maybe her invulnerability was not 100 % complete
I figure that since they hadn't been exposed to a yellow sun for very long their powers weren't fully developed yet. The snake probably still couldn't break her skin, and probably just felt like a bit of a pinch, which she reacted to out of surprise more than actual pain.
Zod said, "The closer we come to an atmosphere with only one sun, a yellow sun...the more our molecular density gives us unlimited powers." They had just landed in Earth's atmosphere and still haven't gained their powers.
Never mind the snake bite, I can't believe Ryan missed the open goal of Ursa and Zod holding conversations on the moon!
2:25 "did they stop along the way to get her pyjamas?"
Yes, and also to collect some salt, pepper, plates, food, champaign, ice bucket, cutlery , etc o.O
When they have dinner he still has all his powers, he could easily get all that stuff beforehand.
@@ObsessiveGeek Indeed. And why wouldn't he? As someone who wears the Kryptonian equivalent while being his alter ego, Clark knows how comfy pajamas are.
He leaves her at the fortress and flys out to get the supplies. The movie shows him getting flowers in the rain forest.
The Fortress of Plenitude.
If they have leftovers, they even have Superman branded Saran Wrap to keep them fresh on the way home.
The memory erasing kiss is even more messed up considering that in Superman Returns which is intended to take place after this movie (but ignoring III and IV), Lois has had Superman's child but has no memory of having slept with him. This is never addressed even when it becomes clear to multiple people that Superman is the child's father.
in Superman Returns, she did know Clark was the father.
@@radrobd123 I didn’t say that she didn’t.
@@radrobd123 She didn't remember the intercours e.
“Oh you’re one to talk, Mr. Mind Eraser” - Batman, HISHE
If I'm not mistaken, he goes back to the restaurant after he got his powers back and beats the shit out of the guys. A true hero kkkk
It's just one guy. And yes, at the very end. And in the Richard Donner cut, he does it after rewinding time, so nobody even recognizes him or knows why he's beating the guy up.
He grabs the guy (apparently by the crotch iirc) and ever so gently pushes him down the diner bar (smashing a bunch of other diners’ dinner plates) and the guy lands butt first on top of a pinball machine (which naturally is also smashed). It’s a totally heroic moment which isn’t petty in any way…
🙄
well he is the symbol of "the american way" : using overwhelming force against enemies for petty revenge is on brand
@@joels5150he grabbed him by his shirt
Glad you added that fourth 'k' at the end of the last sentence
Thank you for acknowledging the snake 😅😂
I was 9 years old when I saw this movie and even then it was like…wait what?
If there was a snake mean enough to pierce kryptonian skin, it would be a pituophis.
Thinking about it now, I wonder how they got the effect of the snakebite. Seems odd for them to script it, arrange the snake, set up the shot, trick us into believing the visual without risk to Sarah Douglas, and edit it all together, all the while never addressing the inconsistency.
They each have a different amount of the various Superman powers, maybe?
I thought it was a "Chekhov's gun" plot point - that at the end Superman would use their vulnerability to snakes to defeat them.
Oh man, the power to read the script! Truly, a godlike being.
And maybe not so much the "Cosby" power.
It took me a while to get that "Superman too" joke.
Well played, Ryan. Well played.
I wish Ryan knew about the Richard Donner cut of the movie and did the pitch with those details having the producer guy make the suggestion on the changes that the studio and second director made. Originally Superman 1 and 2 were shot together by the same director but during production on what was to be the second movie Donner quit and Richard Lester finished the film. In the original script Lois deduces Clark's identity without jumping in a river and instead to prove it shoots him in the hotel, it's so great! Then we also see that he didn't kill the villains, they were captured and given over to the police after the same final fight with the power removal machine sequence. I'm sure there were other changes like how Lois forgets Superman's identity (I think it was time travel again) but those were the main two that would have been funny to see him pitch and Producer Guy changing.
Also Jor-El sacrifices himself to give Clark his powers back. It’s better than what they eventually went with.
I see several commenters mention this Donner cut, but I've never heard of it. Is it on the DVD or something?
@@EndPoliticalCorruption yes. There is a dvd director's cut by Richard Donner where he uses some screen tests and deleted scenes from both movies to recreate his version of some of those major changes.
@@jeremylefevre9610 Thanks for the background!
@@EndPoliticalCorruption It’s easier if you just Google it. It’s too much to explain on youtube. You’ll most likely find the additional clips on here.
0:04 seconds in, already a banger 🔥🔥🔥
Oh, and so long as you're doing Pitch Meetings for this era of movies, why don't you go ahead and throw one together for 1985's Highlander?
I'm being it'll sound a lot like my buddy describing it to me back when we were in high school...
Ooohhh, that's a great idea. Btw, side note on that film: Clancy Brown never got a dime from doing that film. No joke. BUT... obviously, it launched his career. Incredible actor, obviously. But what a stand-up guy. Worked his arse off and rarely complained about anything.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat I love Clancy Brown. Just recently watched the anthology movie he did called The Mortuary Collection. There's a lifetime based on a true story movie he did from either the late 80's or early 90's that was really good but I can't remember the name of it. Been wanting to watch it again.
He probably will do one before the new highlander movie starring Henry Cavil is realeased.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat Was curious and fact-checked that. Apparently he was cheap but still made some money.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat I loved his Frankenstein.
I never caught the snake bite inconsistency as a kid!
Now you need to make a Pitch Meeting of Superman II: The Richard Donner Cut
Yes
I actually yelled a noise that sounded kind of like "whoa" irl when Brian pointed out that Cosby picture hahahahaha
The slide show at the end was like a lovely stroll down memory lane.
Not a 14.5% of the total runtime (as the Superman recap at beginning of Superman II), but still, TIGHT. Yeah, I just spent 10 minutes figuring out the percentages; and do have a lot of spare time on my hands (as far as I know, could run into bloodlusting baby Ryan Jr tomorrow).
Ohh don’t you mean Lois Lane?
A stroll down short term memory lane
“That was like 30 seconds ago, Nostalgia “
@@courtney-ray I know, I almost started to tear up. 🥲
The real superman is you, Ryan 😉
Hey, that's what I've learned along the way.
**cough*kissass*cough**
for Superman, everything is super easy, barely an inconvenience
Lmao what an ass kisser
He even has an alternate identity completely guised by a pair of glasses, baby. 💪😎✌️ #undetectable
“That’d be nuts.” Super underrated comment!
I was looking in the comments to see if anyone else caught that too! 😂
It blew my mind away just like zod and team were blowing people with their powers
"and they start blowing everyone in the streets" Michael Bluth: "you forgot to say 'away' again"
Idk why but the Cosby in the slideshow got me 😂
Wish he brought up the part about Superman going back to beat up the diner bully at the end
Nothin' like seeing "garbage eat garbage". 😂 Not to mention, the whole "Superman goes back for revenge" certainly fits his character arc, yes? 😁
Just remember, it's okay when he does it, but Henry is the bad guy for breaking down a guy's truck instead.
@@Novastar.SaberCombatwell, he and Loia murdered Zod and Ursa, or whatever her name is.
@@Novastar.SaberCombat good point, but I think you miss the nuance intended in that final scene. Clark honestly couldn't kick that guy's ass without his powers, even though he was still easily physically able to attempt defending himself given his natural size and physique that he retained. Instead, he chose not to due to an apparent lack of skill and will that Superman has famously always lacked. So clearly, as anyone would expect from him, Clark has no choice but to unleash his grudge in order to avenge his latent inferiority complex and fragile, damaged ego when he gains his godlike powers back later in such a typically petty action, as is his nature. His hands were practically tied and everyone's fate was sealed beyond anyone's control. I mean really, what choice did he have, you know? Superman was the real victim as opposed to the guy he can pop like a zit. You almost have to feel sorry for him.
Oh, now being theoretically able to watch one pitch meeting every day for a year and not run out of videos is TIGHT!
Huh? He only has 147 videos posted. Is the year shorter on your planet?
Edit: Thanks, I found a playlist with the over 350 pitch meeting videos. I have to stop distrusting my memory.
Search for Screen Rant. There's a lot of older videos on there of other movies.
@@markadams9473 so they didn't move the earlier pitch meeting videos over. Okay, thanks.
Edit: My memory was trying to tell me that I watched the 200th episode, but I was insisting that it was from Ryan George channel. I was wrong. 😋 I did a quick search for Screen Rant Pitch Meeting and found the videos. Thanks. Now I have to listen to my Memory saying "I told you so ." Sigh...
Watching one of his videos everyday for a year without running out is super easy, barely an inconvenience.
WOW ,Having a picture of Bill Cosby in the dailyplanet is TIGHT.
And mentioning it after talking about 'memory wiping' kisses to boot.
Good job the glove wasn't TIGHT.
He'll never be controversial in any way
I have one above my bed!
Retroactively disturbing Bill Cosby references are TIGHT!
This has quickly become one of my favorite channels.
The impossibility of Clark walking all the way back to the Fortress of Solitude from that diner wearing hardly any protective clothing was barely an inconvenience to the storyline.
It turns out that the Fortress of Solitude isn't at the North Pole, but just in Minnesota.
I think there was a scene showing him hitchhiking
@@MichaelPalin yah, It's in Hibbings then doncha know! :)
As a kid with playsets like Castle Grayskull and Snake Mountain among others I never believed Superman killed Zod and the other two...I automatically believed the Fortress of Solitude had a dungeon/jail beneath it that they all slid into.
I can’t wait until we get a pitch Meeting for Superman The Quest For Peace. That movie was made for a pitch meeting. 😂
it was made for about tree fiddy! :)
The green crystal (not kryptonite by the way) was explained in the Donner version. It contains Jor-El’s essence/soul and he transfers it into Clark so he’s Kryptonian again and gets his powers back.
Some real great lines in there but the Superman Too had me chuckling all the way through it and I forgot superman kills zod at the end, I love how back in those days things like that weren't even thought about but now it's a huge deal making a massive internet drama. I guess in some ways it shows the growth of us as people, even though I know there will be those that think differently to that lol.
The slideshow at the end made me nostalgic for the thing I just watched
After he got his powers removed the first thing I thought was “well now they’re stranded in the middle of nowhere”.
Me, too
@@christianrapper5 You mean Me, 2.
Wow that Cosby moment is really going to haunt us all for years to come
Oh, damn. I never noticed the Bill Cosby picture up there. I'm never going to be able to unsee it now.
A lot of people don't realize at that time in America Bill Cosby was considered 'America's Dad'.
1:59 CLEARLY Ryan hasn’t played the Last of Us Part II….because Killing Established characters early on is a IMPOSSIBILITY.
"So now they want hamburgers" cracked me up far more than it probably should have.
Hopefully we get pitch meetings for Karate Kid trilogy, Ninja Turtles 90s movies, Ninja Turtles Michael Bay, and Rocky 1-5!
You tend to see such content (including on other channels), when something related comes out because that's when more people search for it, so related content gets pushed to the top of the results. The best time for Karate Kid (from a views standpoint) would be when new episodes of Cobra Kai come out.
I always found the second and third Karate Kid movies to be in the wrong order. I never really got why he was so scared of being beaten up in a tournament after having someone actually try to kill him in the second movie.
@@carlrood4457 I think it’s because he was mentally traumatized by Silver’s sly trick of acting friendly and Barnes even tried to kill him too.
Men of Steel are TIGHT!
It still is.
Men of Steel in Tights!
No, No, they're *wearing* tights. Easy mistake.
But not as tight as iron maidens.
@@joshgreiner2599 Men in Tights is tight
That slideshow at the end was TIGHT!
Please do the rest of them, too!
Is this message for Ryan or for Cosby?
Memory-erasing kisses are tight!
If Supes was smart, he would've mindwiped Zod and his goons.
Memory erasing what now!?!?
What did you do to me?
But cellophane S's are tighter!
@@somerandolad Making out with Zod and his buddies would've made for a very different tone of the finale, I approve.
@@somerandolad While I agree with you, it would have to be _after_ their powers were taken away, lest there’d be a risk Superman could lose *his* memory during the kisses.
2:13 Clark Kent is only clumsy because he uses that to further differentiate him from the Superman persona... The fact that he tripped and felt into the fire implies that either SUPERMAN tripped (which is like... no way), or that he wanted to trip on purpose to show/reveal all to Lois... which he could have just done directly. What a convoluted script. Then again... that's probably like the smallest of all the problems with the story. XD
To be fair Kal-El does wrestle with this himself as he speaks of Clark like he’s a separate person…maybe he has dissociative identity disorder
@@ObsessiveGeek Fair enough. Also, I don't remember these movies at all; so I'm just going by what was show in the Pitch Meetings. But man... I feel like Ryan should have made a bigger point about how blatantly big some of the plot holes are; like giving up your powers... while in the Fortress of Solitude... The story basically has to ignore and skip so many stuff because it doesn't make sense otherwise.
@@Kaemonarch the powers thing actually makes the most sense if you follow the story from the original movie.
That green crystal isn’t just any crystal, it’s the one Joe-El puts all memories into. That crystal is put into the ship with Kal-El and later on is the crystal he throws into the artic sea that creates the fortress.
Because that crystal isn’t destroyed with the others, Superman is able to reverse the process.
I guess ghost mom didn’t consider this possibility.
They addressed that in dialog. He said that he didn't know why he did that and Lois pretty much said he did it because he wanted to reveal it to her.
@jtenos personally I also consider him to have three personalities.
Kal-El is who he is
Clark is who he pretends to be
Superman is his celebrity identity
3:05 If anyone wondered how Clark walked all the way to the north pole with no powers. He found a hidden short cut. Which he shared later with Bruce Wayne. That's how he was able to make his quick trips from Bane's hole prison back to Gotham again.
Bruce's was more impressive with no shoes. (no money or papers or water either but still. Shoes)
Shoes in snow are overrated. If you just keep your feet exposed long enough, they'll become hardened and numb, making shoes almost redundant. Nature is truly amazing.
I seem to recall he was hitchhiking. Because there are apparently plenty of people driving to the North Pole.
Oooh, Bane's hole is tight!
I'm kind of surprised he didn't go over any of the studio interference, the changing directors, the story being very different from the Richard Donner Cut...
Well, here's hoping he does the Richard Donner Cut next!
agree, i'd like to see that too
Producer Guy's reaction to a group of murders being "Very impolite!" absolutely slayed me.
I've never considered the crazy implications of Superman's memory erasing kiss ability 😂😂
And let's not forget that Superman Returns is a loosely based sequel for this movie. So Lois got pregnant and she doesn't even know how!
It started with a kiss, never thought it would come to this...
Retroactive Roofie.
I do remember that getting "booed" by fans back in the day. True, there was no social media, but there did exist "letter columns" in genre focused magazines like "StarLog". The general consensus was, "What a cop out!"
"Lois, come have these Forget Me Nows..."
I never noticed the Bill Cosby photo. That is eerie.
Funny, I long ago wondered about the three dead Kryptonian bodies somewhere on the floor in the Fortress of Solitude... but I never connected the similarity to the Snyder movie. Surely Chris Reeve implored Richard Lester, "Wouldn't it be way cooler if I just snapped Zod's neck?"
Acolyte!
He did crush every bone in Zods hand before throwing him to his icy demise.
Then smiles and waves at the camera as he flys by Earth.
But sure Superman showing remorse for being forced to kill is Waaay worse!
They just ended up in China. Everyone knows that's where all holes in the ground lead to.
Hey this pitch meeting got me thinking.. have we ever seen Screenwriter guy and Producer guy in the same frame together? Is someone pulling Clark's glasses trick on us?
I'm gonna need you to get aaaaall the way off his-- I mean, their backs, about Clark's glasses trick
Jesus, for your sake delete this post and never let on that you know what you just said about Producer guy. Knowing too much is tight.
That's ridiculous, if he was the same guy, how could he see without his glasses?
“So NOW they WANT HAMBUGERS!!”
Christopher Reeve's transition from Clark to Superman, just by body language, when he does the reveal to Lois is one of the best nonverbal acting bits in movie history. (I thought it was done even better in the alternate scene in the Director's Cut of this movie. And that was just basically a rehearsal!)
0:37 Strong Leslie Nielsen "Airplane" vibes. Love it!
The family guy joke about throwing the plastic logo 😂
Absolutely loving these retro pitch meetings, my man.
The ones for Superman III and IV will epic.
1:38 "Superman saves IT"💀
Thanks, I missed that. 😂
That WOULD be nuts. At least two of them, possibly six.
Kneel before Zod.
Oh, kneeling before Kryptonians is TIGHT!
Terence Stamp and the rest of the cast were SUPER awesome. 🙂
Zod is the one, doing the blowing tho.
Neil Patrick Harris before Zod!
Zod off!
Never noticed the Bill Cosby picture before...kinda wish i hadnt...
That slideshow really brought back some fond memories of the thing I had just watched.
This is what the Superman II Pitch Meeting should be i decided
Producer guy: so what's the movie about.
Screenwriter guy: I was thinking we could do what are characters do.
producer guy: what do we do???.
Screenwriter guy: well don't you know that we are the same character.
Producer guy: noo.
Screenwriter guy: ohh well what I was talking about is I wear glasses you don't. Clark Kent wears glasses but Superman does not.
Producer guy: ohh I understand.
Screenwriter guy: good good good.
Producer guy: you're my clone.
Screenwriter guy: nope.
Producer guy: so what's the movie about.
Screenwriter guy: you just asked me that.
Producer guy: oh well that took so long I forgot what the movies about.
Screenwriter guy: ohh! forgetting things is tight.
Producer guy: heyyy!
Screenwriter guy: what.
Producer guy: you stole my line.
Screenwriter guy: oh sorry sir.
Producer guy: it's okay.n
oh, what a nice slideshow. thanks for including it
The cellophane S made me lose it 😂
this reminds me of a story Kevin Smith told once
when he was working on a superman script (that never happened)
he went to a producers' house and had to read his script to him while he was laying with his eyes closed on the sofa
at one point he jumped and was like: "who's this Kal-el guy?"
so he eventually interrupts him and insists there should be a scene where he battles a giant spider
Smith explains that this doesn't really jive with the superman comic
the producer answers it doesn't matter, wouldn't it be cool if superman fights a huge spider
the whole thing didn't work out at the end..
but the next film that guy produced was Wild Wild West with Will Smith
which, if you remember.. has a giant spider fight at the end.
@@nurkkrThey show the fight with Nicholas Cage Superman in the Flash movie.
@@grovon3rock just googled it.
Holy sh*t he's literally fighting a giant spider lmao
Had no idea
"This guy's reading the script. He's got all kind of powers"
Was not expecting the little slideshow bit at the end. Genius.
Thr Cosby ending to this had me rolling 😂. PLEASE DO THE 5TH ELEMENT NEXT!
Please do Twisters, it's the perfect storm of idiocy.
And the twister destroying the movie theater, such an unintentional great symbolism.
Well ACSHUALLY... Okay, just for context, there are multiple different extended cuts of this film that they did for television broadcasts. In them, you can see that among other things, Zod and and the other Supervillians survive and are taken away by authorities. Also, I think Lois accidentally hides the Crystal that repowers Superman. This is additional to the actual Donner cut that was released in 2006 or so.
Thank you
Yeah, they were carted off by the “Arctic Patrol” in police cars that actually say “Arctic Patrol.” Even in a movie with this much goofy stuff, this was a little TOO goofy, so that was (thankfully) cut from the theatrical release. SO, the original movie _as released_ in 1980 had them die.
thanks
Lois drops the green crystal on the floor. The playback console where it was stored is destroyed with the other crystals by Zod, so the green crystal is the only one to survive.
@@AlcoholicBoredom They were knocked into crevices, which does not explicitly indicate that they die. They could be in holding cells for all we know.
There are all kinds of versions of this movie, from the ABC TV version to the Donner Cut, but Superman DOESN'T kill them. Simply: Superman doesn't have bottomless pits in his fortress, and in many cuts you can see them taken away by arctic patrol. (Donner's original plan was that turning back time happened at the end of the second one, not the first, so the many deaths and the sleeping together, etc., wouldn't even have happened anyway.)
Theatrical cut - dead
TV cut - alive and arrested
Donner cut - another stupid time rewind copout ending
LOL @ "artic patrol". 😂 Completely plausible. Gotta have the guards at the North Pole... at the Fortress of *Solitude*. 🤣😂🤣
Acolyte
There's one cut in which the villains kill a kid and a woman says "he was just a boy," to which Ursa responds "and now he will never be a man."
That Bill Cosby reference was out of pocket and you know it Ryan is 😂😂😂😂😂
There's also the fact that Lex Luthor walks right into the White House after Zod occupies it to meet Zod, but no one else in the government, military or media seems to be trying to do that.
The funny thing is that I could make a drinking game between every time Cinema Sins says their catch phrases and every time Pitch Meetings says their catch phrases.
I'd be hammered within minutes of both, but with "Pitch Meetings, it would be a good kind of hammered.
1:25 So, Snakes have Kryptonite Venom I guess..?
We have Diamondbacks so they must've encountered a Kryptoniteback snake.
Old school superhero movies were the best. Name a superhero today that can re-sculpt Mt Rushmore with a single laser beam 😂😂
I’ve started watching old stuff with the mindset that the story demanded more than tech could accomplish visually. So the intent is what matters.
@@aariuswins
Go watch 'Jason and the Argonauts' (1963). It looks better than most of the $200 million pieces of 💩 Hollywood drops on us these days.
Iron man could
Technically those were villains
@@cahe6161*Superhero Movie*
Not that the people doing it were heroes.
Comprehension is important.
I don't know what's funnier, that you put the Cosby picture in the slideshow or that you did so for a _noticeably_ briefer amount of time
5:27 More recently, people got mad about Lois jumping to make Clark reveal he's Superman.
In 'my adventures with superman' right?
@@user-wj4kg8uw3v Yes.
The "slideshow from the thing you just watched" is a great bit 😆