Ok, so I feel it's important to clarify: I spent a lot of time talking about the 5400 RPM hard drive in this video, but the main reason the machine was running so slow was due to it having only 1GB of RAM. This resulted in the machine having to constantly page memory to the hard drive, hence the disk usage being at 100% most of the time, hence the slow performance. Installing the SSD resulted in a major improvement, but this was because the system could now read from and write to the page file at a much higher rate of speed as it was no longer limited by the 5400 RPM drive. However, this is not the most ideal situation, and the system becomes far more usable (with the 5400 RPM drive) when the RAM is upgraded to 2GB, which I did in this followup video: ua-cam.com/video/d6OuTluzZd8/v-deo.html
You just inexplicably upgraded the laptop from Windows XP straight to 11 and nobody's talking about it. Edit: Man you guys need to stop complaining. It's pretty much a joke at this point.
@@VirtualNate In Windows terms its usually upgrading from one version of windows to the next, ie 7 to 10. A clean install with the installer isn't an upgrade.
Hello. First what You should do is to permanently set the swap file on the hard disk -2-3GB, second, as you can see, the RAM usage is practically 100% of the 1GB. It's a very good idea to increase it to 2 or 4 GB. Third, replacing only the drive with an SSD should give a very noticeable improvement. However, SSDs will be under a heavy load replacing the RAM shortages. 4 GB RAM will be max for laptop and C2D
The front-facing Windows logo on Windows 11 boot screen is one of the scariest things i saw in a while. I don't like how it just stares at me without "saying" anything in a plain black bg.
I did this TWICE and I regret doing so to this day. "Upgraded" my laptop and a friend's. And it was laggy and unusable as hell, I really shouldn't have done it. What saved me from shame was my friend got a gaming laptop the next year and probably forgot about how shit it was.
@@angelr.5123 this is the 4th time this I've seen unprompted Linux fanboys reply to comments like this. please stop you're doing more harm than good to a platform that actually deserves to become more popular.
I LOVE YOU, YOU KNOW HOW MANY UA-cam VIDEOS I WATCHED AND YOUR THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT THE BAYPASS WORKING FOR INSTALLATION ON OLD PC'S. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOUR A GENIUS FOR SWAPPING OUT THE SOURCES FILES IN THE BOOTLE USB.
@@kyoudaiken Absolutely not true. That's an extremely absurd allegation. I don't have anything to gain from "rigging" these videos. Never have and never will. For someone who told off another viewer in a different comment thread for claiming something without evidence, you're pretty good at doing that yourself.
Isn't Windows struggling because the disk is 100% full, memory is almost maxed out, and it's spending most of its time trying to swap out to disk? Either trying to clean some disk space, replace the HD altogether or add more RAM make this way more usable? oh, half way through the video you change to SSD, so yes, thanks :)
Changing to SSD dramatically speeds things up. Considering how cheap they’re nowadays, its the most cost effective upgrade you can make to Macs and PCs and they benefit.
The disk wasn't _full_ . It was a 120-GB drive. There's no way a Windows installation would take that much. The "100 %" on the disk usage means that the drive is _busy_ 100 % of the time.
Just use bigger ram stick≤Install SSD≥ Install instead of Disk drive SSD, install on it, and have pagefile on HDD. Solved, rate 5 stars pls:) P.S. About having it on HDD. Ram pagefiles IN LINE. So, no, random access almost doesn't matter with new apps.
full disk usage will still happen on anything containing a HDD no matter ram amount, but that machine would not have been unusably slow with 4GB ram instead of 1
Dude! Thanks for the video. I don't know if Win11 will be in my future. However; a HUGE thanks for the music editing. You've now turned me on to music artists Kevin MacLeod and Otis McDonald( Rest ). You have a new subscriber. :)
Him, tries to open Microsoft Edge: "this is *unusable"* Me, who plays cs:go on my Toshiba satelite series laptop with 5400 rpm drive and 2gb of ram: *"n o n s e n s e"*
Some computers are so old that upgrading them makes them slower! There’s no point in upgrading an operating system which runs well on it. Why reinvent the wheel?
Considering that he only needed to replace that archaic as hell HDD for it to run perfectly fine otherwise, it looks like the rumors of 11 being much more optimized are correct. That's awesome. With that said, Windows 7/8.1 would run just fine off of that drive so I'm not sure why they can't just make the OS switch "modes" depending on what it's booting off of.
3:10 You don't need to recreate the ISO image You don't need to use Rufus (because it can UEFI or BIOS only) You can format your USB drive to FAT32 using the diskpart utility and make a partition "active" Then just drag and drop the installation files to your USB drive and it will be bootable for UEFI and BIOS both
Rufus can only do UEFI and Bios only? rufus also bypass the pc requirements (for example windows 11)and secure boot since some new os doesn't supports legacy bios anymore, and requires a board with secure boot on it, my thinkpad l520 with 3rd gen intel that only supports legacy bios can run windows 10 but can't run windows 11 because of pc requirements thing, even if I set my flashdrive into mbr partition and put it in fat32 and copied win11 installer there it will prompt you that it doesn't supports the device, that's why rufus is still a must since it can bypass some things that prevents older pc/laptop running new os, the thing you mentioned might work to devices that supports secure boot but not to old devices.
Thanks, Mike... I installed it following your two "get around" tweaks ... worked beautifully on an old i7 desktop system from early 2012... a decent old system... CPU 6 core at 3.2 GHz with 32 GB DDR3 RAM and an SSD. (It originally did have a 5400 RPM 2.5" drive ... which ran extremely slow like your demo!!!)
@@christiangaming4131 Copy Windows 10 version of AppraiserRes.dll over Windows 11 and it will install. And repeat on Windows update that wants to install a new build ... when will fails ... but locate that file in the $WINDOWS.~WS subfolders and replace it with the Windows 10 version and retry. It should install.
Hdd high usage is from having 1gb ram so the system is swapping out to virtual mem on the hdd 24/7 at about 80mb/s if u maxed the ram it wouldn't have been that slow
Was just going to write the same thing. I see this all the time in VDIs that weren't assigned enough RAM. Brings me back to the old days, hearing all the drive thrashing.
Nothing was wrong with the drive And their isn't a huge difference between 5400 and 7200rpm in speed terms thats is just a common 2.5in drive from the era that does around 80mb/s if it was 7200rpm u might have gotten around 10mb/s more which would not have made any difference Also since that slow hdd was being used to make up for very very little system ram the speed is even slower writing and reading many many small files Only thing the ssd did was speed up the data movement but running such a config would kill the ssd faster to reading and writing 24/7 like that Remember win10 uses around 3gb at boot
@@primus711 it does amuse me how the SSD is able to keep up reasonably well with the slower older RAM. Will kill it quickly long term of course, but interesting to note. There’s only a very brief pause when paging apps in and out.
The slowness with the HDD after first boot was Windows Search indexing your disk and on top of that, it ran the system out of ram so it was also trying to use the disk as swap. SSD of course made it better with its much faster access times and throughput. Upgrading to 2GB of RAM would made the HDD more usable.
@@KarabauPlay Correction: _around 90% of any games I could possibly want to play_ for me. Steam's support in recent years with their Linux-based SteamDeck has made gaming on Linux viable for pretty much every game except for some of the stricter anti-cheat multiplayer ones. Luckily, I'm not fond of that genre anyway. I really must recommend Linux at this point. All distributions are generally lighter weight on a CPU than Windows, you get technical functionality built in by default on most distributions that Windows always requires third-party apps for, you have unlimited customization, no real restrictions to how you want to use your hardware, you can even run Windows in an isolated, secure Virtual Machine within Linux in order to get those few programs that don't work working. Oh, and did I mention no built-in, concrete telemetry and privacy-breaking systems? Not even NSA backdoors. The only downside is the learning curve for people who have no attention span. I pity the newest generation. Sorry for the essay. I love Linux.
@@asteroiderer "I use Linux as my operating system," I state proudly to the unkempt, bearded man. He swivels around in his desk chair with a devilish gleam in his eyes, ready to mansplain with extreme precision. "Actually", he says with a grin, "Linux is just the kernel. You use GNU+Linux!' I don't miss a beat and reply with a smirk, "I use Alpine, a distro that doesn't include the GNU Coreutils, or any other GNU code. It's Linux, but it's not GNU+Linux."The smile quickly drops from the man's face. His body begins convulsing and he foams at the mouth and drops to the floor with a sickly thud. As he writhes around he screams "I-IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS IT'S STILL GNU!" Coolly, I reply "If windows were compiled with GCC, would that make it GNU?" I interrupt his response with "-and work is being made on the kernel to make it more compiler-agnostic. Even if you were correct, you won't be for long."With a sickly wheeze, the last of the man's life is ejected from his body. He lies on the floor, cold and limp. I've womansplained him to death.
The reason it allowed you to make a local account without being on the internet was due to you running Windows 11 Pro. Windows 10 Pro allows local account creation too. It's Home that doesn't.
SSDs does wonders. My mother's old trash PC was being a pain in the ass for her. Shoved in my old 60GB SSD (she don't need more) and BAM, it's like a completely new machine.
I'd love a video on how this system works on a linux distro such as Ubuntu, Fedora, and/or Arch/Manjaro. Might be interesting to see how many system resources Edge for Linux uses up as compared to Edge on Windows 11
I did it by selecting a USB drive VMWare Workstation as a physical disk, install windows 11 from the vm to the USB drive and then clone the USB drive with Clonezilla to the HDD of the laptop. But your way is probably a lot faster.
The primary issue was your 1 GB of ram pegged at 95%+ swapping out constantly to your 5400 RPM drive. After the SSD was installed it booted up to 77% ram usage. There's a big difference and it makes it difficult to plan just the drive. I hope Windows 11 final doesn't lock out old hardware like you showed in this video. I still use some older hardware on 10 that ought to still work like this laptop.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 There always has to be at least one of those "I use Linux, look at me" smartass out there. Yes, windows has its fair share of bullshit, but it still better than linux for most average users
@@TheHrt5 @Bogy I come across a lot of ignorance from ALL sides. The Mac Fraction, the Windows Fanboys and the Linux Nerds. I merely speak from my own perspective. I used windows since win95 (and even used win 3.0 for a while) and have used almost all of them (except win NT and ME cuz i never had them). And all i can say is i can't understand why anyone voluntarily would want to deal with windows alone these days? Especially with this unstable mess that is WIndows 10. Everyone with a working brain knows that rolling releases are NOT for the majority of users and yet so many use win10 and don't even know what's going on in the background. I'm far from being a Linux expert and only use it on my desktop and laptop (sometimes as dualboot install) so i can definitely compare these two worlds side by side. No need to behave like a bitter jerk who thinks someone dared to commit heresy towards windows. Now calm down dude and chill.
@I trigger people Better is very relative term. Different is a more correct one. If you ask me, this TPM thing is complete bullshit. But that doesn't mean I would choose linux just like that over Windows. And no, im not average user. I work as NAV / BC 365 developer. I went trough the plenty of Microsoft crap. It can be painful. But I would still chose it over linux. I don't have anything against linux, i think its amazing. But Linux users are fucking cancer and are giving linux a bad name...
Having a momopoly in the enterprise setting does have its pros and cons. There is certainly something to be said for running the latest OS on a decade old PC. As PC hardware becomes even more "future proof" it will become even more important to general consumers.
The SSD is worth at least the same as the laptop, but it was quite interesting to see how it brought it back to life. Needless to say, the machine screams max my RAM, too, but still quite a difference.
Hey, if your gonna upgrade on unsupported hardware, please use a stripped down version, tiny11 being most recommended. Windows 11 can slow down your computer ALOT, and will take longer to boot. Trust me, I’ve tried it myself, and OH MY GOD IT WAS HORRIBLE.
Let's be honest here. All windows versions suck ass. Microsoft just didn't give a shit about us and leaves countless of bugs unfixed. I'm so tired of their bs
@@kristiyanivanov7414 I'm from Morocco, everything is expensive here. I looked for months for a good enough SSD for a good price. Can't find it. I looked everywhere, even AliExpress which blows, and on all online stores the shipping price is extremely high.
19:44 as a windows insider I can say that windows 10 insider builds did actually receive windows 11 icons for settings and such, not sure you already know this
YES WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS I HAVE ONE OF THEM OR SLOWER PLUS A 1GHZ CPU AND 4GB OF DDR1 FOR DAILY FREAKING USE DONT SELL THESE BECUASE IT GIVES PEOPLE WITH CHEAP PARENTS NO WAY TO CHANGE IT AND IF THEY WANT TO DO IT PLEASE JUST PRELOAD IT WITH LINUX INSTEAD , DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE BEEN PAINED AND UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
*me with Windows 11 on 5400rpm HDD* But i have better ram/cpu so even with that crappy HDD it still performs better than the laptop with ssd in the video, but for sure i am losing alot because of my hard, will change it one day
The "open task manager" and other functions that were on the taskbar right click previously are all on the right click of the windows logo itself now. Not a big deal, maybe it's cleaner like this for casual users, and advanced users still have the feature very accessible. I like it. Windows 11 is still a long way to release, and we are still missing a lot of stuff that was rumored like a new windows store and file explorer and settings app. For now we basically just have a new start menu and task bar. But I like it a lot already! Feels like a breath of fresh air!
if you press shift+f10 during the setup, it opens task manager which lets you terminate the OOBE wifi task and skip connecting to the internet entirely
I input "a" as email and password to the MS account, then an error message appears that the account was locked because of many unsuccessful login attempts with an option to create local account.
what a cool video, and actually showed the giant ammount of difference between an old hdd to a regular cheap ssd, And yes, i'm watching this from my modern pc with HDD only because of budget shortage :( edit: another interesting thing is the wide variety of compatible versions of windows from 98 to the windows 11, impressive.
This is so F'd up! I remember microsoft saying way back that windows 10 is the last windows that will be released and it will just update from there. I am hearing soooooo many things wrong with windows 11.
All you have to do is look back through all the different versions. I have used Windows since 3.1 and Dos was still used. Some versions never got straightened out. Some took 3 to 5 years. And I would wager that any newer versions will infringe on privacy further than ever before. Ever wonder why Windows hasn't sped up over the years in parallel to processor speeds? It's because there is so much BS running in the background you can barely do anything you actually want to do.
good work, I'm glad to see there are potential work arounds to the secure boot/tpm issues. My PC I built myself is absolutely fine simply don't have either of those features and me getting a new pc or building a new one is not in the cards anytime in near future. I think Microsoft shot themselves in the foot locking it down to new PC's only, I think there should be an option for people to install secure version and non-secure version or some such thing to keep most people on the same page as to what operating system everyone uses otherwise they are just dividing people further and then you'll be hearing them push the 2025 retire date for win 10 cuz no one wants to switch to win 11 ...
That hp laptop is the exact same laptop that i actually have and use even though I haven't used it in a while. I think I can actually attempt to install Windows 11 like you did if I wanted to.
Love seeing the same frustration that I have when trying to get a tool from the network for a machine that I’m working on. I’m thinking install from USB or just open the machine like you did - thanks for the enjoyable video.
You can only create a local/offline account when connected to the internet on pro versions of Windows 11. On home you have to disconnect from the network.
I can say that my unsupported i7 6700k processor with 8 cores and 4.0ghz with 16GB of Ram and an SSD main drive works really smoothly. So far no glitches and I love the animations when you open windows. So far so good
"This is unusable, I mean, there is no way anyone..." Umm, that's why they put the minimum system requirements up... (Although I agree that it's ridiculous that it *needs* that much RAM - my laptop has 8GB RAM and an SSD, but it still struggles as soon as I have a few things open... Utterly ridiculous given that most laptops are still sold with 8 GB RAM...)
I'm watching this on a Core 2 Duo with Windows 11, however mines is the newer 45nm one. Not bad since web browsing and videos seem to load better than what Windows 10 did.. surprisingly. Cool videos btw... enjoyed watching.
I put " " , around the word leaked - because this was intentional by Microsoft - otherwise we would have seen confidentiality notices all over the screen.
There is no evidence for that, so please don't spread false information. Also Microsoft is already suing a company they think was responsible for sharing the leaked image.
@@kyoudaiken then how do you explain the windows twitter handle ? and again, MJD ijust released this 2nd Windows 11 video - he has yet to even say if he got a take down notice for his first video on this topic . so......who is spreading false info ?
@@breadmoth6443 Damn... The stupidity these days... I'm not talking about strikes to people who make videos about it. It's about leaking the actual ISO image!!
you can just add a LabConfig key into the setup key in HKLM\SYSTEM, and just create a BypassSecureBootCheck DWORD value inside it, then set it to 1, and then create another DWORD value called BypassTPMCheck, and set it to 1, and then just close the installer, but dont restart the computer, or all the changes will be lost. just start the setup again, and you can install it just fine. you can also add BypassStorageCheck, BypassCPUCheck, and BypassRAMCheck.
Here's a little song to sing (make up your own tune) while trying to get Windows 11 to do anything on an older computer... "We are loading, we are loading over the hills and far away, We are loading, we are loading hope this ain't gonna take all day!" 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
@@tearem9703 I don't know exactly, I've only had people tell me their schools still use XP, it's only smaller poor schools that use it though. I went into an optometry office a couple months ago and all of their computers were on XP
I was rocking an AMD FX system up until December last year when I went Ryzen. This video is more for people who, for whatever reason, can't or won't upgrade their system, but they still need to have the latest OS. The video proves that the Win11 requirements are fairly arbitrary.
Ok, so I feel it's important to clarify: I spent a lot of time talking about the 5400 RPM hard drive in this video, but the main reason the machine was running so slow was due to it having only 1GB of RAM. This resulted in the machine having to constantly page memory to the hard drive, hence the disk usage being at 100% most of the time, hence the slow performance. Installing the SSD resulted in a major improvement, but this was because the system could now read from and write to the page file at a much higher rate of speed as it was no longer limited by the 5400 RPM drive. However, this is not the most ideal situation, and the system becomes far more usable (with the 5400 RPM drive) when the RAM is upgraded to 2GB, which I did in this followup video: ua-cam.com/video/d6OuTluzZd8/v-deo.html
Oh
Upgrade the ram to 2GB or 4GB
Upgrade your processor to a Core 2 Duo T9500 (for the 6MB cache), 4GB of RAM, and use an SSD and I bet it will be usable.
as one person on youtube said
this build was compiled from oem branch so thats why it needs tpm 2.0
Pogg
You just inexplicably upgraded the laptop from Windows XP straight to 11 and nobody's talking about it.
Edit: Man you guys need to stop complaining. It's pretty much a joke at this point.
I’m pretty baffled that he did that much of a jump. I’m scared of trying it on my more modern desktop that has 2H21 installed but is unsupported
@NTVMB@@jahxthestreamer3510 He did a clean install.
@@Swotboy2000 Technically he did upgrade. Not sure what your criteria is to be considered an "upgrade"
@@VirtualNate In Windows terms its usually upgrading from one version of windows to the next, ie 7 to 10. A clean install with the installer isn't an upgrade.
lol "Upgraded". I love this subtle Humor.
20:33 MJD left the chat
using this laptop for an hour is a perfect anger managment test
I agree
But just wait till you see mine
Nah, as long as you use ssd is fine
My laptop have slightly better spec and when use ssd is capable to use like my good laptop
More like anger _enhancement_ test.
I used a worse one for years until recently, i have exhausted all patience i had for life
Running Windows 8 or newer operating systems without an SSD is just absolute torture 😫
Yeah…
My Windows 10 laptop came with an HDD. It broke trying to run a Roblox raid server
W7 ran fine on a 7200 RPM drive, W10 sucks
Feels more like a trip down memory lane to me
@@mdukasa is this a pun
Hello. First what You should do is to permanently set the swap file on the hard disk -2-3GB, second, as you can see, the RAM usage is practically 100% of the 1GB. It's a very good idea to increase it to 2 or 4 GB. Third, replacing only the drive with an SSD should give a very noticeable improvement. However, SSDs will be under a heavy load replacing the RAM shortages. 4 GB RAM will be max for laptop and C2D
The front-facing Windows logo on Windows 11 boot screen is one of the scariest things i saw in a while. I don't like how it just stares at me without "saying" anything in a plain black bg.
"This PC will beat you to death"
Atleast we got somethings new instead of just boring ass 8 year old logo
@@ojaskashyap5839 windows 1 logo is really similar to 11s lol
@@RAILGUNSHOOT similar≠exact
If you haven’t noticed all the logos are going more simple
Every time I hear Walk Through The Park I can’t help but think of DankPods
Lamo
Same with scarlet fire
Same lmao
shrekpods
dingus
Microsoft: "Everything seems fine! Ship it!"
@GoTi4No Niko Belic lookin ahh
@Bendyzero 190 I never said it was nico
@GoTi4No My laptop has TPM 😎
@Unstoppable idk why ppl call no longer supported OS dead
@@robloxboxertblocked9636 what kind a laptop? i have leonovo ideapad 3 15. it has tpm? wont u know
The speed of this is giving me flashbacks of trying to run windows 10 on a netbook with 1gb of ram...
Seems normal to me
I did this TWICE and I regret doing so to this day.
"Upgraded" my laptop and a friend's.
And it was laggy and unusable as hell, I really shouldn't have done it.
What saved me from shame was my friend got a gaming laptop the next year and probably forgot about how shit it was.
It reminds me of when I tried to run Minecraft without OptiFine on my old laptop running Windows 10
@@adamalarcon4973 There is no need to "Upgrade" if you have Linux in your system and forget MS's terrorism.
@@angelr.5123 this is the 4th time this I've seen unprompted Linux fanboys reply to comments like this. please stop you're doing more harm than good to a platform that actually deserves to become more popular.
Michael trying to do something with a Windows install?
Oh, this gon' be good.
amogus
@@theusersf Dead Meme
@@friendlytexangamer9582 ok and?
@@theusersf Fam. Just shut up. It's not funny.
@@GumSkyloard there is a fungus among us
I LOVE YOU, YOU KNOW HOW MANY UA-cam VIDEOS I WATCHED AND YOUR THE ONLY ONE THAT GOT THE BAYPASS WORKING FOR INSTALLATION ON OLD PC'S. THANK YOU SO MUCH. YOUR A GENIUS FOR SWAPPING OUT THE SOURCES FILES IN THE BOOTLE USB.
*BYPASS
@@Mr33445553 YEARS LATER, NEVER EDITED! :O
This won't be an MJD video without having a slow hard drive in a computer, and therefore, without the computer going absolutely nuts.
It isn’t a mjd video if there is no unexpected errors too.
This won't be a MJD video if anything functions like it's supposed to
@@slickl9608 He rigged this one though. Sign of the channel's content quality going downhill when failures are rigged.
Glad to see I'm not the only one on UA-cam who still uses mechanical hard drives.
@@kyoudaiken Absolutely not true. That's an extremely absurd allegation. I don't have anything to gain from "rigging" these videos. Never have and never will. For someone who told off another viewer in a different comment thread for claiming something without evidence, you're pretty good at doing that yourself.
When you hear “ hello everybody” ur day goes good automatically
also, this “hello everybody” is way more enthusiastic than all the other ones and it made me smile even more :’)
@Biochemical Equation , I honestly have no idea mate, maybe anti ageing creams lol
@Biochemical Equation you really should lmfaoo
Facts!
Wait, aren’t you supposed to be deaf? How can you hear?
That literally shows the capability of a SSD, I have got a few old Laptops and a SSD would make them work great again.
poor use of literally
Using ssd with less ram will kill your ssd very fast
@@കുട്ടൂസൻ-ദ1ണ I have got 4GB Ram on em..
@@കുട്ടൂസൻ-ദ1ണ is that true?
Isn't Windows struggling because the disk is 100% full, memory is almost maxed out, and it's spending most of its time trying to swap out to disk? Either trying to clean some disk space, replace the HD altogether or add more RAM make this way more usable?
oh, half way through the video you change to SSD, so yes, thanks :)
At that rate of low ram... patching it with an SSD is just going to kill the SSD super fast. Currently it just works but time is ticking for that SSD.
Changing to SSD dramatically speeds things up. Considering how cheap they’re nowadays, its the most cost effective upgrade you can make to Macs and PCs and they benefit.
The disk wasn't _full_ . It was a 120-GB drive. There's no way a Windows installation would take that much. The "100 %" on the disk usage means that the drive is _busy_ 100 % of the time.
@@NormanF62 SSD has limited write endurance unlike hdd. With low ram, window will pretty much use the SSD like a ram, killing it very quickly.
Just use bigger ram stick≤Install SSD≥ Install instead of Disk drive SSD, install on it, and have pagefile on HDD.
Solved, rate 5 stars pls:)
P.S. About having it on HDD. Ram pagefiles IN LINE. So, no, random access almost doesn't matter with new apps.
I think we learned today that “unsupported” really is unsupported
all that slowdown was lack of ram
the ssd made things faster because it was hitting virtual memory so much
@@elektrokinesis4150 weirdly enough my PC with 12GB of ram was having full disk usage
full disk usage will still happen on anything containing a HDD no matter ram amount, but that machine would not have been unusably slow with 4GB ram instead of 1
Hi, America.
Dude! Thanks for the video. I don't know if Win11 will be in my future. However; a HUGE thanks for the music editing. You've now turned me on to music artists Kevin MacLeod and Otis McDonald( Rest ). You have a new subscriber. :)
Thanks for subscribing!!
Him, tries to open Microsoft Edge:
"this is *unusable"*
Me, who plays cs:go on my Toshiba satelite series laptop with 5400 rpm drive and 2gb of ram:
*"n o n s e n s e"*
Please buy an ssd...
@@onionpeelplays6375 idk man I can't, covid hit me really hard lately
I recently got a toshiba tecra a9 And I’m gonna pay someone to refurbish it and modernize it
Some computers are so old that upgrading them makes them slower! There’s no point in upgrading an operating system which runs well on it. Why reinvent the wheel?
@@modemdog3649 Windows 10 is still good enough and you can still run it after Microsoft stops supporting it.
MJD: "I wonder how it runs on a potato"
MJD: "Huh, it runs like a potato" 😅
it's a potato confirmed
@@That1Cube_ take off the ram sticks, fry the sticks and you have free french fries!
@@3kstra71 i would do that, but my DDR3s are expired
@@That1Cube_ dang, why not take the cpu and put some sprinkle of rgb on it? gamer one chip challenge!
Considering that he only needed to replace that archaic as hell HDD for it to run perfectly fine otherwise, it looks like the rumors of 11 being much more optimized are correct. That's awesome.
With that said, Windows 7/8.1 would run just fine off of that drive so I'm not sure why they can't just make the OS switch "modes" depending on what it's booting off of.
3:10
You don't need to recreate the ISO image
You don't need to use Rufus (because it can UEFI or BIOS only)
You can format your USB drive to FAT32 using the diskpart utility and make a partition "active"
Then just drag and drop the installation files to your USB drive and it will be bootable for UEFI and BIOS both
The better option is just to open setup.exe . It way more convenient and straight forward.
Pls contact me pls tell me how this all works bc this is hard
ya
Rufus can only do UEFI and Bios only? rufus also bypass the pc requirements (for example windows 11)and secure boot since some new os doesn't supports legacy bios anymore, and requires a board with secure boot on it, my thinkpad l520 with 3rd gen intel that only supports legacy bios can run windows 10 but can't run windows 11 because of pc requirements thing, even if I set my flashdrive into mbr partition and put it in fat32 and copied win11 installer there it will prompt you that it doesn't supports the device, that's why rufus is still a must since it can bypass some things that prevents older pc/laptop running new os, the thing you mentioned might work to devices that supports secure boot but not to old devices.
@@coffeesandcakes That only works for upgrading. If you want to do clean install, you need to make bootable media.
Thanks, Mike... I installed it following your two "get around" tweaks ... worked beautifully on an old i7 desktop system from early 2012... a decent old system... CPU 6 core at 3.2 GHz with 32 GB DDR3 RAM and an SSD. (It originally did have a 5400 RPM 2.5" drive ... which ran extremely slow like your demo!!!)
How do the gwt around tweaks work bc its hard to see
@@christiangaming4131 Copy Windows 10 version of AppraiserRes.dll over Windows 11 and it will install. And repeat on Windows update that wants to install a new build ... when will fails ... but locate that file in the $WINDOWS.~WS subfolders and replace it with the Windows 10 version and retry. It should install.
Hdd high usage is from having 1gb ram so the system is swapping out to virtual mem on the hdd 24/7 at about 80mb/s if u maxed the ram it wouldn't have been that slow
Probably. My theory was the drive is on its way out.
Was just going to write the same thing. I see this all the time in VDIs that weren't assigned enough RAM. Brings me back to the old days, hearing all the drive thrashing.
Nothing was wrong with the drive
And their isn't a huge difference between 5400 and 7200rpm in speed terms thats is just a common 2.5in drive from the era that does around 80mb/s if it was 7200rpm u might have gotten around 10mb/s more which would not have made any difference
Also since that slow hdd was being used to make up for very very little system ram the speed is even slower writing and reading many many small files
Only thing the ssd did was speed up the data movement but running such a config would kill the ssd faster to reading and writing 24/7 like that
Remember win10 uses around 3gb at boot
@@primus711 it does amuse me how the SSD is able to keep up reasonably well with the slower older RAM. Will kill it quickly long term of course, but interesting to note. There’s only a very brief pause when paging apps in and out.
@@kaitlyn__L well the ram is way faster than the ssd actual 1st ssd used ram with battery backup
everytime i see this old hp being used in a video for a modern os i get the urge to send you a more modern notebook to play around with
I'm getting old. I remember when 5400 rpm drives were state of the art...
Yeah, at a time where 4200 rpm where the norm xD !
"800MB! I can store all my games on this and more!" - Me in 1995 getting excited over a new HDD that was barely 20% larger than a CD.
@@krashd x) I've save 2 old 486 from the trash, and i was shocked to see that you can literally save the entire hard drive into one cd xD
@@krashd Had a 300 mb hdd in a 386...it was like being a god :P
@@krashd a 1.44MB floppy disk stores two whole games like commander keen
The slowness with the HDD after first boot was Windows Search indexing your disk and on top of that, it ran the system out of ram so it was also trying to use the disk as swap. SSD of course made it better with its much faster access times and throughput. Upgrading to 2GB of RAM would made the HDD more usable.
Wtf, Windows automatically indexes your disk now, too, instead of it being a choice? So glad I use Linux now.
@@asteroidererno games for you
@@KarabauPlay Correction: _around 90% of any games I could possibly want to play_ for me. Steam's support in recent years with their Linux-based SteamDeck has made gaming on Linux viable for pretty much every game except for some of the stricter anti-cheat multiplayer ones. Luckily, I'm not fond of that genre anyway.
I really must recommend Linux at this point. All distributions are generally lighter weight on a CPU than Windows, you get technical functionality built in by default on most distributions that Windows always requires third-party apps for, you have unlimited customization, no real restrictions to how you want to use your hardware, you can even run Windows in an isolated, secure Virtual Machine within Linux in order to get those few programs that don't work working. Oh, and did I mention no built-in, concrete telemetry and privacy-breaking systems? Not even NSA backdoors.
The only downside is the learning curve for people who have no attention span. I pity the newest generation.
Sorry for the essay. I love Linux.
@@asteroiderer "I use Linux as my operating system," I state proudly to the unkempt, bearded man. He swivels around in his desk chair with a devilish gleam in his eyes, ready to mansplain with extreme precision. "Actually", he says with a grin, "Linux is just the kernel. You use GNU+Linux!' I don't miss a beat and reply with a smirk, "I use Alpine, a distro that doesn't include the GNU Coreutils, or any other GNU code. It's Linux, but it's not GNU+Linux."The smile quickly drops from the man's face. His body begins convulsing and he foams at the mouth and drops to the floor with a sickly thud. As he writhes around he screams "I-IT WAS COMPILED WITH GCC! THAT MEANS IT'S STILL GNU!" Coolly, I reply "If windows were compiled with GCC, would that make it GNU?" I interrupt his response with "-and work is being made on the kernel to make it more compiler-agnostic. Even if you were correct, you won't be for long."With a sickly wheeze, the last of the man's life is ejected from his body. He lies on the floor, cold and limp. I've womansplained him to death.
@@Basilisk_Eternal lol
You are the craziest tech guy I discovered on UA-cam! Thanks for being that.
The reason it allowed you to make a local account without being on the internet was due to you running Windows 11 Pro. Windows 10 Pro allows local account creation too. It's Home that doesn't.
According to me who uses windows home
Gpedit looks like sorcery 😜
Wrong, I recently reinstalled Windows 10 Pro and had to pull the ethernet plug to make a local account.
@Štefan Darvaš Proving my point exactly.
@@lemau8458 wrong just because you don't know how to do it don't mean it's not there.
@@AboveEmAllProduction Lol K buddy, saying something doesn't make it true.
So basically the most convenient experience would be a basic ssd with at least 4gb of ram. Certainly doable nowadays.
SSDs does wonders. My mother's old trash PC was being a pain in the ass for her. Shoved in my old 60GB SSD (she don't need more) and BAM, it's like a completely new machine.
This is my pc specs 4gb and 240gb ssd
@@basantimandal558 Un kutto ke saamne mat naachna
doable 💀
4gb aint that convenient unless you are browsing the web with firefox.
1:32 "But I would assume they are going similar to Windows 10"
Well that aged well
I want someone to count how many times something goes wrong in each video. That would be awesome
-you know you can just look at the amount of videos they have?-
r/woooosh
@@tzarg this guy
@@tzarg false, reread comment
@@zenice1911 r/ihavereddit
I wake up early for once and Michael posts a video. Is this how I'm meant to get up earlier?
Is it daylight where you are? It's half past 12 at night where I am
I'd love a video on how this system works on a linux distro such as Ubuntu, Fedora, and/or Arch/Manjaro. Might be interesting to see how many system resources Edge for Linux uses up as compared to Edge on Windows 11
Fedora is my daily driver since 2018. ♥️
I did it by selecting a USB drive VMWare Workstation as a physical disk, install windows 11 from the vm to the USB drive and then clone the USB drive with Clonezilla to the HDD of the laptop. But your way is probably a lot faster.
Cpoied Linus' way of installing it.
@@HuntersMoon78 Cpoied
@@HuntersMoon78 Cpoied
@@HuntersMoon78 Cpoied
@@HuntersMoon78 Cpoied
The primary issue was your 1 GB of ram pegged at 95%+ swapping out constantly to your 5400 RPM drive. After the SSD was installed it booted up to 77% ram usage. There's a big difference and it makes it difficult to plan just the drive. I hope Windows 11 final doesn't lock out old hardware like you showed in this video. I still use some older hardware on 10 that ought to still work like this laptop.
Those “HP Compaq ####” business laptops are fantastic, nice to see these featuring in some MJD videos.
This artificial compatibility barrier is just stupid
This is why i switched to Linux years ago. It has become a lot easier and headache-free than having to deal with Micro$ofts idiocy and power-grabs.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 There always has to be at least one of those "I use Linux, look at me" smartass out there. Yes, windows has its fair share of bullshit, but it still better than linux for most average users
@@TheHrt5 @Bogy I come across a lot of ignorance from ALL sides. The Mac Fraction, the Windows Fanboys and the Linux Nerds. I merely speak from my own perspective. I used windows since win95 (and even used win 3.0 for a while) and have used almost all of them (except win NT and ME cuz i never had them). And all i can say is i can't understand why anyone voluntarily would want to deal with windows alone these days? Especially with this unstable mess that is WIndows 10. Everyone with a working brain knows that rolling releases are NOT for the majority of users and yet so many use win10 and don't even know what's going on in the background. I'm far from being a Linux expert and only use it on my desktop and laptop (sometimes as dualboot install) so i can definitely compare these two worlds side by side. No need to behave like a bitter jerk who thinks someone dared to commit heresy towards windows. Now calm down dude and chill.
I know, all this for an OS that's kinda a little better than windows 10
@I trigger people Better is very relative term. Different is a more correct one. If you ask me, this TPM thing is complete bullshit. But that doesn't mean I would choose linux just like that over Windows. And no, im not average user. I work as NAV / BC 365 developer. I went trough the plenty of Microsoft crap. It can be painful. But I would still chose it over linux. I don't have anything against linux, i think its amazing. But Linux users are fucking cancer and are giving linux a bad name...
I always wonder what Michael will upload next It’s always interesting to see what he can do i really enjoy your videos
Thank you!
Me: Can I get a windows 11 computer? Mom: we already have a windows 11 computer. Windows computer at home:
Having a momopoly in the enterprise setting does have its pros and cons. There is certainly something to be said for running the latest OS on a decade old PC. As PC hardware becomes even more "future proof" it will become even more important to general consumers.
its sad that this computer from like 20 years ago has the same level of hard drive as my computer.
The Laptop he’s using is probably from the late 2000s since it has a Vista sticker.
Actually more like 14 years, which admittedly is also a lot.
Genius uploader for a simple and best effective workaround.
The SSD is worth at least the same as the laptop, but it was quite interesting to see how it brought it back to life. Needless to say, the machine screams max my RAM, too, but still quite a difference.
An MJD video a day keeps the doctor away !
Nope
@@lemau8458 bruh
Hey, if your gonna upgrade on unsupported hardware, please use a stripped down version, tiny11 being most recommended. Windows 11 can slow down your computer ALOT, and will take longer to boot. Trust me, I’ve tried it myself, and OH MY GOD IT WAS HORRIBLE.
It's pretty early to judge the windows 11. I'm sure by the time of release the actual Windows 11 will be much worse.
Atleast it's not as bad as w7, that was hell
@@hottrin6103 I had no problems with windows 7. Now windows vista and 8 sucked the big green weenie.
@@hottrin6103 w7 is the best ever.
Let's be honest here. All windows versions suck ass. Microsoft just didn't give a shit about us and leaves countless of bugs unfixed. I'm so tired of their bs
😂😂😂😂
SSDs are pretty fast, maybe installing it directly would've been faster than cloning.
I wish I had an SSD but they're way too expensive. Maybe I can get an SSHD if I can.
@@resolvanlemmy Where are you from? You should look out for better offers and price comparisons, there should be something good.
@@kristiyanivanov7414 I'm from Morocco, everything is expensive here. I looked for months for a good enough SSD for a good price. Can't find it. I looked everywhere, even AliExpress which blows, and on all online stores the shipping price is extremely high.
@@resolvanlemmy Hmm, SSHD may be good option then. Hope it works out well.
@@kristiyanivanov7414 hmm..
Let's just hope I can find one for cheap.
19:44 as a windows insider I can say that windows 10 insider builds did actually receive windows 11 icons for settings and such, not sure you already know this
This is like trying to use windows 10 on my current laptop with a 5400rpm hard drive.
AND ONLY HDD.
YES WHY DO PEOPLE DO THIS I HAVE ONE OF THEM OR SLOWER PLUS A 1GHZ CPU AND 4GB OF DDR1 FOR DAILY FREAKING USE DONT SELL THESE BECUASE IT GIVES PEOPLE WITH CHEAP PARENTS NO WAY TO CHANGE IT AND IF THEY WANT TO DO IT PLEASE JUST PRELOAD IT WITH LINUX INSTEAD , DO YOU KNOW HOW LONG I HAVE BEEN PAINED AND UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT
*me with Windows 11 on 5400rpm HDD*
But i have better ram/cpu so even with that crappy HDD it still performs better than the laptop with ssd in the video, but for sure i am losing alot because of my hard, will change it one day
@@Why72833 Why do people type in all caps?
The "open task manager" and other functions that were on the taskbar right click previously are all on the right click of the windows logo itself now. Not a big deal, maybe it's cleaner like this for casual users, and advanced users still have the feature very accessible. I like it. Windows 11 is still a long way to release, and we are still missing a lot of stuff that was rumored like a new windows store and file explorer and settings app. For now we basically just have a new start menu and task bar. But I like it a lot already! Feels like a breath of fresh air!
Its an alpha version so expect it to have plenty of bugs. Don’t expect a final RTM version to appear until October.
Micheal jinked the “Windows 9x styled” Task Manager
"Running on unsupported hardware" *Windows 11 choking really hard* Michael MJD: *surprised Pikachu face*
The offline account is only on 10 Pro, Enterprise... For Home, you still have to disconnect the pc to the internet.
if you press shift+f10 during the setup, it opens task manager which lets you terminate the OOBE wifi task and skip connecting to the internet entirely
@@SMNFXCN how many people know about this is the problem
@@smd91xx Also it could be fixed in the final release
I input "a" as email and password to the MS account, then an error message appears that the account was locked because of many unsuccessful login attempts with an option to create local account.
@@AnaesthaeticX what
polish youtubers: 30 minutes video in a day
michaelmjd: 1 hour videos in month
english youtubers: 20 minutes video in a 2 months
I’ve had windows 11 installed on my laptop since it’s leaked and I’ve had no problems with it and it’s been fun to find hidden features lol
what a cool video, and actually showed the giant ammount of difference between an old hdd to a regular cheap ssd, And yes, i'm watching this from my modern pc with HDD only because of budget shortage :(
edit: another interesting thing is the wide variety of compatible versions of windows from 98 to the windows 11, impressive.
This is so F'd up! I remember microsoft saying way back that windows 10 is the last windows that will be released and it will just update from there. I am hearing soooooo many things wrong with windows 11.
That laptop: Please mister have mercy on me! PLEASE!!
I say we give Microsoft three to five years to get Windows 11 straightened out before we play around with messing up our computers.
5 years, u insane????
All you have to do is look back through all the different versions. I have used Windows since 3.1 and Dos was still used. Some versions never got straightened out. Some took 3 to 5 years. And I would wager that any newer versions will infringe on privacy further than ever before. Ever wonder why Windows hasn't sped up over the years in parallel to processor speeds? It's because there is so much BS running in the background you can barely do anything you actually want to do.
i love those funny comments ♥ keep it up it make 20min video look like 5min video
That was a lot of recorded swapping hell
It has been long since windows 10 is happy with that little ram
More RAM and SSD and it should run well
And 64bit cpu
@@REALLYrandomforya it is 64 bit cpu, installer would crash on loading and it would show bsod about not having 64 bit instructions
@@giertox8737 I have Compaq 510 and it only has problem of 64bit operating system
@@REALLYrandomforya if this would be only x86, system wouldn't even install
@@giertox8737 like mine , I use an windows 7 32bit professional edition
This is a insane and sometimes hilarious video. I thought already like "Isn't it time now for a SSD with this insane slow performance?"
good work, I'm glad to see there are potential work arounds to the secure boot/tpm issues. My PC I built myself is absolutely fine simply don't have either of those features and me getting a new pc or building a new one is not in the cards anytime in near future. I think Microsoft shot themselves in the foot locking it down to new PC's only, I think there should be an option for people to install secure version and non-secure version or some such thing to keep most people on the same page as to what operating system everyone uses otherwise they are just dividing people further and then you'll be hearing them push the 2025 retire date for win 10 cuz no one wants to switch to win 11 ...
Thanks for posting! It's good to know that the TPM stuff can be bypassed in a pinch.
That hp laptop is the exact same laptop that i actually have and use even though I haven't used it in a while. I think I can actually attempt to install Windows 11 like you did if I wanted to.
I also have an HP laptop, but it is much bigger and it is 11 years old
This is how my home computer runs. It was expensive when my sad bought it, but now its junk. He says its the best lol.
have you tried to install linux in it?
Damn small Linux is your awnser
Nah, your solution is SSD+Windows 7, everything will be fine no need for linux
@@mentor_bajrami linux will run faster than windows tho
@TDFPL waste time lol
Love seeing the same frustration that I have when trying to get a tool from the network for a machine that I’m working on. I’m thinking install from USB or just open the machine like you did - thanks for the enjoyable video.
9:52 😂 Windows XP laptop be like wich Windows 11 😂😂😂
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You know they've recently modernized hell, there's no more eternal fire and stuff, you just have to use a computer like this for 10 hours a day.
5:35 you can just type “user” in the email field and that would do the same thing, to make a local account.
Good to know
8:22 I laughed so hard when I saw that search was using the most memory 😂
I notice there is no watermark like early builds and insiders builds usually have.
Because it was leaked intentionally to generate interest, marketing 101
You can only create a local/offline account when connected to the internet on pro versions of Windows 11. On home you have to disconnect from the network.
Yeah, I hate it when people forget that on pro it still gives you the option without disconnecting.
@@8bit_coder same
20:15 NOTE If you’re using Windows 11 22H2 the boot animation loading of Windows 11 is like that
Roughly 11 minutes in, and things have gone so off the rails, it's beginning to feel like a graystillplays video 😂
I love that guy lol
yup, his voice reminds me of him
Microsoft better be taking notes now on this video about their "cpu requirements"
I can say that my unsupported i7 6700k processor with 8 cores and 4.0ghz with 16GB of Ram and an SSD main drive works really smoothly. So far no glitches and I love the animations when you open windows. So far so good
"This is unusable, I mean, there is no way anyone..." Umm, that's why they put the minimum system requirements up...
(Although I agree that it's ridiculous that it *needs* that much RAM - my laptop has 8GB RAM and an SSD, but it still struggles as soon as I have a few things open... Utterly ridiculous given that most laptops are still sold with 8 GB RAM...)
This little trick probably saved like thousands of computers from the dump
I'm watching this on a Core 2 Duo with Windows 11, however mines is the newer 45nm one. Not bad since web browsing and videos seem to load better than what Windows 10 did.. surprisingly. Cool videos btw... enjoyed watching.
This computer strongly reminds me of the computer I’ve had to use for the past 2 years
Same
the problem is Microsft Defender and Windows Update @ first run. After Updates and one day and restart it should work better.
simple, clean and it works, you have my sub. Thank you
14:23 "Now that is referring to the speed of the drive."
..I'd rather say "the lack thereof".
I put " " , around the word leaked - because this was intentional by Microsoft - otherwise we would have seen confidentiality notices all over the screen.
There is no evidence for that, so please don't spread false information. Also Microsoft is already suing a company they think was responsible for sharing the leaked image.
@@kyoudaiken then how do you explain the windows twitter handle ? and again, MJD ijust released this 2nd Windows 11 video - he has yet to even say if he got a take down notice for his first video on this topic . so......who is spreading false info ?
@@breadmoth6443 Damn... The stupidity these days... I'm not talking about strikes to people who make videos about it. It's about leaking the actual ISO image!!
you can just add a LabConfig key into the setup key in HKLM\SYSTEM, and just create a BypassSecureBootCheck DWORD value inside it, then set it to 1, and then create another DWORD value called BypassTPMCheck, and set it to 1, and then just close the installer, but dont restart the computer, or all the changes will be lost. just start the setup again, and you can install it just fine. you can also add BypassStorageCheck, BypassCPUCheck, and BypassRAMCheck.
For open task manager in the taskbar, right click on windows logo and they are task manager
Windows 11 : Removing menu items than the users used in the past 20 years is a good choice (no).
Not first not last but when I see his content I click fast!
This video was hilarious and informative. Thanks!
This cant be an MJD video without some issues in the process lol
We're gonna be getting a lot of Windows 11 videos and I still ask you install Bonzi Buddy on it
Mutahar installed bonzi buddy on it
It didn’t work :/
@@vuice6601 did they try running as admin
Always think I'm watching an Atomic Shrimp vid when I'm watching your vids because of the music you use 😂😂
This computer isn’t made to run anything higher the vista basic
Maybe win 7 cus I got the same laptop and it runs win 7 perfectly fine
@@adamezz4773 it might run it but it wasn’t made to
@@samuel-wankenobi ye but it would win 7 is like light any thing runs it like a have a laptop from like win xp and it runs 7 and 10 easily
@@adamezz4773 yes because anything that works with vista works with 7
Vista BASIC is still too much. Vista requires the 1gb of RAM only to work. XP work fine with 128mb RAM.
Well at least that makes me happy that it's gonna run on my Core 2 Quad! Thanks
Here's a little song to sing (make up your own tune) while trying to get Windows 11 to do anything on an older computer...
"We are loading, we are loading over the hills and far away, We are loading, we are loading hope this ain't gonna take all day!"
😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣
imagine if this windows 11 is a complete bait an the real one looks completely different
This really could be a case. We have to wait and see until tomorrow.
@@blakyrin it isn't. but yeah we will probably see more changes when the final build arrives.
Windows 11 is still a work in progress.
It's happened before. google windows longhorn
This is what school computers will be like in a few years when they update
Some schools still use XP...
Aren't schools use Chromebooks.
@@idkrossplay which schools?
@@tearem9703 I don't know exactly, I've only had people tell me their schools still use XP, it's only smaller poor schools that use it though. I went into an optometry office a couple months ago and all of their computers were on XP
great video bro keep it up 👍
I believe you don't need a device that old to make a "Install Windows 11 on Unsupported hardware" video
Just a device from 4-5 years ago is fine
I was rocking an AMD FX system up until December last year when I went Ryzen. This video is more for people who, for whatever reason, can't or won't upgrade their system, but they still need to have the latest OS. The video proves that the Win11 requirements are fairly arbitrary.