I need Wonder Woman to fight for peace, equality, and justice. That’s what she fights for. She’s not a blood thirsty warrior, that’s why Amazon’s hate men. They find it barbaric.
Exactly. They need to do what the MCU did with Cap. That elevator scene in Cap 2 was the perfect embodiment of the character. Willing to give people a chance to solve things non-violently but will kiss ass if needed.
@@mkatcoff Maybe the late Akira Toriyama should have forseen the consequences of Cell Saga Gohan losing it so badly he'd become a bloodthirsty warmonger that thinks about revenge also affecting Wonder Woman indirectly for the writters. My hunch is that just cause a pacifist warrior has to lose it it doesn't give you always the right to write Wonder Woman like this like 24/7. In short it all started secretly and presumably because the writters took a cautionary tale as an inspiration BY MILKING IT TO DEATH. Not defending the writters just.... trying to point out that making pacifist lose all senses of reason for the sake of survival should at one point JUST STOP BEING EXPLOITED
@@serena3673 Diana is supposed to be an Ariel though. Just because she knows how to fight...doesn't mean she wants to. She's the embodiement of "there's a better way to do this."
It’s frustrating when people are so quick to dismiss Wonder Woman because of how DC really underutilized her and her lore. The fact that she never gotten an animated show, 2 animated movies, and a few live action adaptations is just so…disappointing. It’s even more insulting to the character of how much dc would just neglect her despite being one of the trinity and one the first and important female superheroes in comic book history.
I can’t blame them tho. Warner bros and comics refuse to do anything interesting with her character for over a decade. The biggest Wonder Woman content we’ve gotten are her movies (which are shit), injustice (where she’s a psychopath), dcau animated movies (where she’s barley developed or does anything. Even raven does more in those films) and justice league unlimited (where she’s nerfed and thirsty for Batman). Doesn’t help that Harley Quinn, Catwoman, raven, any main girl form young justice overshadow Wonder Woman in content. I’d be pretty pissed if I was a Wonder Woman Stan.
Agreed 👍 however with that being said a hero is only as great as their struggles aka villains. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and the Flash all have better and more iconic villains than her. She needs better written villains to showcase how awesome she is.
That would be because wonder woman is a joke, Harley Quinn is a character that ya know...makes sense? Harleen Quinzel is a regular person who lost her mind and fell in love with a madman. That is interesting, people can sympathize and understand her backstory. Women in general can relate to HQ because she has actual flaws and displays real issues women go through, WW in comparison is a hilariously bad joke. She is the complete opposite of feminism, Big Barda is a more interesting femininst icon.
@@worldeater2414 Lmao no….. Harley Quinn is a boring cringe character. She is not a “Hero” at all. She is evil. She blew a bunch of children up with explosive video games. DC would be better off without her. She’s just some massively overrated crazy white girl. She is not “ relatable” at all. I’m tired of people thinking powerful characters are “boring” and street level characters are better just because they are more depowered. Characters do. Or need to be weak as hell to be interesting. Wonder Woman makes her enemies understand the value of equality and helps her female companions realize their self worth.
The logic that Wonder Woman or other female superheroes cant be attractive cause it sets unrealistic body standards is hypocritical when 90% of male superheroes look like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime. Especially since most these characters have superpowers and the physique just comes naturally without any work. Like Peter Parker literally just woke up one morning and went from looking like Xqc to Hugh Jackman.
They complain because they are aware of the fact that men are attracted to, well, attractive women (women are the same way. This is pretty basic human biology), and that alone pisses them the hell off because they are a bunch of extremely jealous, bitter chicks who never got over dudes not giving them enough attention in high school, but also never wanted to improve not even a little bit to get attention from the men THEY wanted (because I'm pretty sure they still had some dude pining over them. Almost all women have at some point lol). Not only is this complaint hypocritical (Disney Princesses have been subject to the same type of ridiculous scrutiny for years), but also misogynistic as hell in nature. Men like big titties (God forbid THAT!!!!), so women must be punished for it. Aren't they supposed to be the main ones fighting against that type of thinking? 💀
@@Superlad9494 The bracelets really don't make sense. If she can take a punch from Superman why the hell are bullets a danger to her? So yeah they need to clear things up with her.
@@WompaStompaCyn Bullets are sharp. Superman's punch to her isn't, to her it's like an angry kid pounding clay. It's explained in the comics. Diana can be cut, so the bracelets act like shields for one reason...another reason? If there's no Bracelets on Diana...you better start running...three weeks ago if you're the villain...Superman himself said the real expression is "like a Wonder Woman scorned" and how fitting her first daughter is codenamed Fury.
Yeah, Wonder Woman didn't got her own animated series is criminal, but yet, DC and Warner Bros. decide to gives Harley Quinn, an Batman-related character, her own cartoon show rather than Wonder Woman herself, one of the Trinity, like what the heck, DC? I mean, she got her own animated dvd movies and her own theatrical movie and yet Wonder Woman never gotten her very own animated series, and no, DC Superhero Girls does no count, folks. Heck, her almost got her animated series which than turn into Justice Society: War World II movie instead and yet, we didn't get an Justice Society animated series, as well.
@@ahmadmohammed4212 he said he's working on it. That does not equate to getting one. Trying to get that invisible jet off the ground appears to be the hardest thing to do at WB for some reason.
Wonder Woman deserves an actress who can act. I’m also highly surprised with the lack of content with her considering she’s easily the most influential and most iconic female superhero to date.
Considering the modern obssesion with the "first female/black/etc. superhero/protagonost" I am also shocked honestly. All this talk of "diversity and inclusion" but they ignore: - Explicitly feminist hero initially with bondage being a big part of her gimick - Female hero with a very simple but practical move and power set that's perfect for drama and story - Rocks with superman and batman, two of the most if not most popular superheroes of all time, very often - Lives on an island populated entirely by women who you can have "something extra" to reproduce, are made out of clay or leave and come back to raise their female children in matriarical societies where no man lives.
I think that Injustice and flashpoint did some damage too, as I believe that a good number of people believe, that she is a raging misandrist, who manipulates people and is looking for any excuse to shamk anyone she doesn't like, mainly because of those works.
Not just Injustice and Flashpoint, but even the Wonder Woman comics during the early 2000s, and her New 52 run also did damage to her character as well.
@@brandonscott4808 The comics didn't help either, but I mentioned the Flashpoint movie and the Injustice games, because they had a far greater impact on the genaral public, than the comics. Like, evil Superman was unavoidable at one point.
@@batuhanbolat5656 And even before that, you had the DCAU Justice League (whom many consider the most popular JL cartoon in existence) portraying her as nothing but a mean, angry misandrist. So, even back then, they weren't doing much to give her a good reputation.
I used to think that Wonder Woman’s invisible jet was dumb. Not really because of the jet itself, but more because I thought it was unnecessary for someone who has the ability to fly would need a jet. But through the years, I started to realize how useful and practical it is for Wonder Woman to use in different situations compared to her just flying on her own
The problem has never been with Wonder Woman. It's with DC either dragging their feet with her (in the case of films, video games, or cartoons) or just treating her like the 3rd pillar of DC. For her 50th anniversary, George Perez had to go to DC to do something to celebrate. They didn't already have plans to celebrate her anniversary 🤦🏿
Synder wanted to deconstruct the characters and do something different with them. And with characters this popular you can’t do that. It has to be the same over and over again. Except in the comics things change but you can’t do that in the movies. No creativity allowed.
@zacharyfrancis7708 Nonsense. There is plenty of creativity allowed but you have to keep the essence of the character intact. Once you do that you can get as creative as you want. A perfect example is Batman. Keaton, Bale and Pattinsons are vastly different but they work because the essence of the 3 remains true to the character while Afflecks is a mess. Superman on the other hand didn't connect. Reeves Superman is completely different from Rouths and both are completely different from Cavill.
@@dblshotz75 The thing is deconstruction is a necessary evil to many people's eyes. That said maybe Snyder should have done A REAL investigation to ensure a deconstruction didn't leave even children with a bad taste. Maybe also a reconstruction should have also happened like it tends to happen in the MCU. Conspiracy theory (not to defend Snyder tho): He might have taken the deconstruction incarnate named Spec Ops The Line a little too seriously. WAY TOO MUCH SERIOUSLY
Hot Wonder Woman take: I don't like her with a sword and shield. She may be a warrior, but she's always been willing to be diplomatic, even attempting to redeem her own villains. Dc kinda went "but she's a warrior, she's gotta have weapons!" But they kinda missed the point. She's above weapons, which is why the ones she does actually have are unconventional, being a lasso, her gauntlets, etc. She embodies more than just being a badass warrior.
Even DC's editors actually said back then "what do you mean Wonder Woman doesn't have a shield? She's got the two on her wrists." The Carter show also said her whole armor is an unconventional weapon set. That tiara is a boomerang with a pager in it, the belt amplifies her power off the island, the boots/sandals break magical barriers...and the comics have also once said her jet's an even more advanced version of the Magic School Bus...so how is that not cool?
I'll give you an even hotter take: I absolutely HATE her with a sword and shield. I think its the completely wrong direction for the the character. She's ''wonder'' woman, not ''warrior'' woman.
@@Superlad9494 I know. I was refering to the actual round shield that they insist in give her in modern depictions. Lasso, bracelets and tiara are iconic, and far superior to redundant and generic sword and shield.
IMO there is also the issue that she is “THE” icon of feminism and equality from DC. As a stand alone, no one is going to want to watch that because of the inevitable backlash of handling her incorrectly. You’ll have modern feminists complaining about their political views and demanding changes to conform with their standards, which in turn will alienate the rest of the audience with versions of WW which are nothing like her DC counterpart.
@@yehooyahoo6861 I really don't think it's feminism here. I think it's the same problem as the Lynda Carter show which the books have always indicated. Wonder Woman (Princess and Commander/Lieutennant Diana Prince) much like the rest of her JSA buddies works best in historical settings with a return later as a veteran heroine...once the historical setting is done...so is she. This is why nothing between 1948 and now ever stuck with her and why the Carter show went off the air after 1979. Diana is not meant to be a present day character even if she has had good writers in the modern era. Now I'm not saying we can't have a present day Wonder Woman, but DC really should have considered the "Diana works better in a historical period" angle when they did their relaunches in 1986 as a lot of the modern stories for Diana really don't work for Diana at all, but they keep trying to insert Diana where she doesn't fit...and neither did the entirety of the Seikowsky/O'Neill run...each of them work better for other people in DC. The Oddyssey mini-series from 2010 is a story meant for Donna. The Nu52 stuff from Azzerello is Nubia's department. The Seikowsky/O'Neill run is meant for Black Canary instead of Diana, but editorial wants Diana because they wanted to modernize her a bit more when she should have been retired and returned later as a veteran heroine following WW2's end and the bicentennial JSA resurgeance in the 1970's. The entire Kanigher run could have also been revamped for another Amazon instead as well...Orana, an early attempt at Artemis Grace...who now acts as a wise woman on Paradise Island...as you could use the Atomic Age stories to show Orana having to earn all of Diana's abilities as she goes along (what JL 2001 was implying) and the Silver and Bronze Age Earth-1 stories (and not any imaginary tales) to show her finally having learned what it meant to be Wonder Woman to the point she was the one who was seemingly lost in the Crisis, but not before passing the title on to Donna who's stories as Wonder Woman should have covered the Perez, Loeb, Byrne and first Rucka runs, then had Lyta take over with Jiminez and Simone, and let Nubia be the current Wonder Woman from Azzerello to present with the past ones returning as needed.
@@yehooyahoo6861 CIS HETERO MEN CREATED HER, AND CIS HETERO MEN ARE WHO YOU NEED TO WATCH HER MEDIA TO INCREASE HER POPULARITY, LIKE HOW WOMEN'S BASKETBALL NEED CIS HETERO MEN TO WATCH THE SPORT BECAUSE WOMEN DON'T.
I think part of the problem, is a lot of people can’t quickly point to what her personality is the way they can with Batman & Superman. A lot of people don’t even know what she does in her civilian life, or who’s in her rogues gallery. For the bulk of the general public, they like the idea of her without really knowing her, and so just apply whatever traits they think fit to her.
That's been going on since 1968 amusingly...although I do think most people recognize Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, Dr. Cyber and Ares given these are the 5 major players of hers...mostly Cheetah though. The civillain life is constantly changing as some form of Military, but it should have never been switched from Nurse to Secretary....she was saving lives 24/7 as a Nurse and could have still been a Lieutennant/Commander (depending on branch, and I prefer her, Etta and Steve all being Navy since it's more unique.)
I was always a Marvel reader, growing up, so I’m not very familiar with WW other than the basics. I can say I probably know more than a random person on the street. But even then, I have no idea who Circe or Dr. Cyber are. Giganta I’ve seen a couple times but didn’t know she was associated with WW. And Ares seems like a cheat, since he’s just on loan from Greco/Roman mythology.
@@makocrab2223 yeah, but even Super Friends of all things made Giganta a rogue of Apache Chief/Longshadow instead...and JL/U implied outside of a few fights she was more of a Flash villain...weird.
I agree 100% about the clark x diana relationship topic, the trinity is so much better as friends. Superman and Wonder Woman being together just reinforces the stereotypes of " men and women can't be friends", cause some people think that whenever there's a man and a woman coexisting, it's obligatory for them to be in a romantic relationship ☠️
It's not. The trinity being "better as friends" is subjective. They would also work just fine if Clark & Diana are involved romantically. The "reinforces stereotypes" argument is just silly because Diana is clearly just friends with Bruce so clearly Men & Women can be friends. But with Superman it's always been more than that.
@@jonnjones8263 It's just my opinion but okay. First, i didn't say they wouldn't work out having a romantic relationship within the trinity, i personally love their friendship miles more. Second, even if she's still just friends with Batman (which didn't happen in the JL cartoon as an example) but is dating Superman, it's still stereotypical, she can date other men while having both Clark and Bruce as friends, I'm sure women can contain themselves 😉
@@jonnjones8263 the thing is though outside of their Powers and Superhero life Clark and Diana have next to nothing in common. Diana is a Princess and Clark is a reporter/ Farmer. Diana is more than willing to be brutal or even in some cases kill and Clark takes so much care to refrain from hurting someone even accidentally. Clark is Better with Lois because she makes him feel like a normal Human. Diana is someone who likes both Clark and Superman but clearly prefers Superman hence why she tends to refer to him as Kal'el and not Clark.
@@vortechx7176 Saying Clark & Diana have nothing in common is just objectively not true. To say that is to deny their entire history together. Not to mention, you only pointed out two slight differences that are actually good for storytelling because they can be used for conflict. A difference in work job isn't even a real difference especially since him being a reporter and her being an ambassador go hand in hand. Him being a farmer isn't really much of a difference either since Diana is an island girl who loves nature. Which again, goes hand in hand. Diana accepts both sides of Clark. She doesn't "prefer" Superman. Thats propaganda. The one who prefers Superman was actually Lois. If you go back and look at old Comics it was actually Lois who was obsessed with Superman and didn't care about Clark until DC reconnected her. Diana calls him both Clark & Kal acknowledging both sides of him. Clark doesn't need Lois to feel human.
Amazonians raping men and killing male infants is part of Greek mythology but I agree that it doesn’t belong in the comic books. I’d like to see Diana get the respect she deserves.
@@ericriley1985 lmao i study Ancient Greek literature and none of those texts EVER depict Amazonians RAPING men. Fighting and killing them? sure. but not raping them.
Once I read an article online where a fan of WW said he and many others had to buy two Wonder Woman issues every month to try to prevent the title from being cancelled because they knew it didn't had strong sales.
Wonder Woman never got a DCAU show because Bruce Timm has said several times that he doesn’t like her as a character. It’s the same reason that Flash never got one. Plus, her creator William Moulton Marston’s family estate is very selective and protective of what projects she can appear in. They’re the ones who prevented her from appearing on Smallville.
@@concept5631 The Wonder Embargo actually didn't come from the Marston Estate. It was actually DC Editorial's idea because such a fuss was made over Wonder Girl when the first season of JLU and Teen Titans were in production...yes a literal "Wonder-chick" fight is why we didn't see Donna and Cassie on JLU and Teen Titans. JLU was going to be Diana's show initially, but since Teen Titans was also adapting the Wolfman-Perez run, and wanted to have their full seven set (Dick, Donna, Wally, Gar, Vic, Kori and Rachel) and there was a Wally restriction for the first four seasons of Teen Titans which is understandable. Wally was his own independent hero on JLU...why demote him back to "sidekick gone to the teen heroes turned junior league afterschool-club" (which is why crossovers never happened outside of shared v.a's and some character designs.) department right? That's why he only showed up in season 5 and only at the end (alongside two silent Donna cameos that were never outright stated.) Donna had a different problem...who called dibs? This caused so much trouble that DC's Monitors (Editors) effectively said "If you can't play nice with the Amazons...you can't play with them at all!" That's also when Wonder Woman started getting more actual Wonder Woman content in JLU instead of always being treated like a "female brute"...and then the 2009 film...with the rule being "if you show an Amazon, she can do everything the boys do, but better".
@@concept5631 it's an awkward reason, but logically Donna should have been on the Titans show and Diana should have got her own show which had her operating solo until Titans ended so that they could bring in Donna and Cassie later like how The Batman went about Robin by introducing Batgirl first and then Robin showed up once Titans ended. Paul Levitz was the one making these decisions at the time too as EIC.
The agreement between the estate and DC was that WW should appear a certain number of times otherwise the rights would revert back to the estate. Hence why WW title is in the 700 issues range while the next longest running female solo title, Spider-Girl/Mayday Parker, is in the 102 issues range. They also stipulate that Diana should appear as a main character in whatever adaptations and not just a guest star. Hence why she couldn't appear as a guest star on Batman Beyond or Superman: TAS. This does not apply to ensembles where she is obviously one of the main characters. This rule also extended to the WG's hence why Donna or Cassie could not appear as guest stars on the Teen Titans shows. Eventually this rule was adjusted so WW was able to guest star in Brave and the Bold and Cassie could guest star on YJ but poor Donna Troy missed the boat on YJ and was then saddled with the awful Titans show.
My big issue with how Wonder Woman is written is that she's always written without flaw, like Superman but without Kryptonite or being a super boy scout. I was reading a comic where Wonder Woman was an ambassador to the world from Themascara, and Themascara was being attacked so naturally Themascara was defending itself...which made half the world "hate" Wonder Woman for no damn reason. Like WTF? Imagine if France was being invaded by Mongolia, France defended itself, they wouldn't make the French ambassador to New York public enemy #1. The response was that Wonder Woman was a tragic martyr and Themascara + Wonder Woman had to disappear. Total Melodrama. Another story had Wonder Woman being attacked by this guy who was mind controlling Superman, and made it so that Wonder Woman could only survive by killing Superman or the mind control guy. She snaps the neck of the mind controlled guy. She goes to court and NOBODY defends Wonder Woman, she is let out to dry. Superman doesn't come in and say "yeah I was mind controlled, Wonder Woman saved me". The court doesn't say "This is a known supervillain like the Joker, the world is better without him". Instead it's "Wonder Woman is a tragic martyr, look at her suffer in silence". WTF? What next, evil twin takes candy from a baby and the world hates Wonder Woman, who nobody believes despite her saving the world 100 times, instead she is now public enemy #1 and suffers in silence as a tragic martyr. I also didn't like how they painted the gods as dumb asses, Zeus and Hades can be defeated easily (Athena used medusa's head on Zeus' champion and became the new ruler of Olympus, with her grand plan of "disappear" from the world. Hades dies to a single backstab. These should all have been fights that take atleast a full chapter instead of a page, and the grand plan should be more than "My goals are beyond your understanding, which is to run away so I don't have to do anything"). Imagine if somebody made Darkseid die to a single backstab, or made Doctor Doom be defeated because he lost a chess match. If this was Dragon Ball Z or Bleach or Naruto or some manga, you know damn well if Zeus or Hades got in a fight, it would've been like seeing Old Man (Genryūsai Shigekuni) Yamamoto get into a fight, or seeing Orochi fight. It would be something you'd never see before, larger than life, and take atleast a chapter or two in battle...not be a let down where you say "that's it?"
Wonder Woman IS NOT Xena Warrior Princess. SHE CAN BE physical. If she NEEDS to be. It's certainly what's been pushed in DC Comics in the last 10 years. Wonder Woman is so much more. She uses her intelligence and her strength. Also if you can't wear the Star-Spangled underroos, you dont deserve the role. I'm not saying she can't wear other armor or outfits for a reason, like fighting a boss villian.
As a Wonder Woman stanboy, I’ve been disappointed time and time and time again. She’s so under used. *Gal gadots take is not for me* It’s disappointing and it SUCKS. She’s just eye candy , tiny , bland , un-imposing, monotone. The DCAU movies has the best Wonder Woman hands down. She’s stoic , brooding, and aloof to modern civilizations ways yet she is passionate and caring. Her design is AMAZING. The Medusa movies depiction is good too and of course the OG JL series is amazing. Diana is now always either a Diabolical Tyrant (I do like flashpoint WW despite that movies huge flaws) or a antisocial mean b*tch side character with 30 seconds of screen time 😭😭😭😥😡😡😡😡 I pray to god we get a reboot of the character in all aspects soon.
I've seen some online claim that Wonder Woman shouldn't be on the Mount Rushmore of comic heroes. I really think it was a disservice to Wonder Woman not to have a solo series or movie during the unveiling of chapter one of the DCU.
Lowkey miss when the big 3 of marvel back in the day (spidey, hulk and wolverine) were seen with batman, superman and wonder woman as the pillars of comic heroes. Nowadays harley has more merch and fans than diana smh.
@hopefulfriend4163 Even back in the day, ww was never huge in the 1990s and 2000s specifically.Tell me that ww was bigger in the 1990s than wolverine/x-men when she had no animated series or video games, while The X-Men were not only the hottest comic property in the industry, but also had 3 cartoons and multiple video games? or hulk who in that same time 2 movies and cartoon series had several video games? We have not been up there since the 1970s show ended. Within both the 1990s and 2000s spider-man, batman, superman, x-men and hulk were all bigger than ww. Now Ironman, cap and Thor also joined that group. ww not been a huge pillar for a while now .sidenote wolverine should been second and hulk third
I always thought it was FF, X-Men and Spider-Man with Hulk as the honorary 4th but that might be for the mid -late 90's and early 00's. Wolverines rise in popularity in the early 00's is probably due to Hugh Jackman and the comics overusing Wolverine (much like DC is overusing Batman now) during that aughts so much so that TVTropes called it the Wolverine Publicity.
@@jackvenus4024 actuallys wolverine been popular since 1990s and hulk was third ahead of ff hulk had a longer lasting tv series a movie first and more video games and merch than ff Wolverine has been marvel's second biggest seller since the 1990s
Honestly, I am just tired of Batman hogging the ball for DC representation. Like he's popular, but partly because they aren't giving any other side of the DC Universe much of any love in comparison. Wonder Woman would be a huge start because of DC's trinity ACTUALLY being those pillars, but what about the other Justice League members. Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter to name a couple more. I also am tired of the push for DC animation being more 'adult' movies. They don't have to go away, but imagine more stylized DC cartoons that are family friendly with a decent animation budget similar to Avatar the Last Airbender, Teen Titans, The Batman 2003, etc
Welcome to the club friend😔 I have always enjoyed Batman, even as a kid in Nigeria. But even I got so sick of the oversaturation he has had at this point. That's partly why Superman is my favorite hero as he has thankfully not reached that level and still is simply heroic at his core. I don't understand why DC refuses to let other awesome characters have their development and exposure.
My favorite thing about Wonder Woman is when she is utilized as this perfect midpoint between Batman and Superman. She can have weapons and gear, use martial arts and tactical thinking, but she is also a powerhouse. It's great to watch her play things on both ends.
The disrespect for Wonder Woman's character is frustrating no animation series No Wonder Woman 3 by James Gunn Wonder Woman deserve respect Superman and Batman being the first superhero woman and this is how she's treated.
The problem is exposure and incosistency. Every few years a new writer comes along trying to reinvent Wonder Woman, it's how we got Mod Wonder Woman and her retconned origins. As for exposure, ask the casual fan to name 5 Wonder Woman villains. They can probably name 5 Superman villains or 5 Iron Man villains, but I highly doubt most of them can name 5 Wonder Woman villains.
Here would be the five I would expect from casuals presuming they've probably seen Super Friends and JL/U. Even if they cannot name most, most of them should be able to name Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, Ares and Dr. Cyber.
@@Superlad9494 I'm sorry to disappoint you. But I only understood half of your list. And I only know about the giant woman because I saw her in a TV show once.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 that was the unmentioned one because everyone knows about Lynda Carter. Baroness was also in that one as the main villain for the first season...as for Giganta...she appeared there under her golden age name of Gargantua...because s1 was set in the golden age.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 That's my point. The constant reinventions and lack of exposure means most people don't even recognize most if her supporting cast and rogues gallery. The supporting cast is just as important when it comes to making an iconic hero, just look at Spiderman, Batman and Superman's supporting casts and rogues galleries.
Wonder Woman annoys me. Is she Superman strong or more like Spider Man strong? Is she invulnerable or not and if so, why the bracelets? Can she fly or not? If so, what's with the goofy jet? Is she born of clay or is she Zues' or Hades' bastard? She's been around for like 100 years and they still haven't settled on a through line for this character.
Well at least when the prospect of Hades was brought up...Earth-508 didn't go out of it's way to claim the sculpting was just a stork story like the Nu52 claims it was. Hades said he helped Hippolyta sculpt her, but then again...even Diana thought Hades was lieing without the lasso...which he most likely was.
Yeah. That is the reason why Wonder Woman is very hard to adapt. There is no consistency in her mythos and her origins keep changing. Not to mention most of her comic stories dont sell as well nowadays.
I've always hated Zeus being the father of WonderWoman. If anything Diana being the daughter of Ares would make more sense seeing as she is around Ares more and spends more time with him.
Exactly instead of her being another one of Zeus’s seed. With her being created from clay and blessed with powers by the gods made her origins unique and different. But with Diana they’re never consistent because they even had implied in the Justice league animated movie that Ares was her father after he admitted to having an affair with Hippolyta and they both sculpted her from clay together.
For me, as someone who doesn't really read DC comics but has seen a lot of the adaptions both live action and animated, I have a hard time even telling you what kind of person Diana is. I can tell you a lot about Clark and Bruce and what kind of people they are. I can tell you about bothe Barry and Wally, I can tell you about Hal and John, even Shayera, Dinah and Oliver, just from the adaptions I've seen. Trying to describe Diana's character from what I've seen feels like that bit from the Plinkett Stat Wars review where he asks his friends to describe Qui-Gon Jinn, like "what's Wonder Woman like?" and I'm like "uh, she's... stoic?" because I genuinely have trouble thinking of character traits she has that aren't just the standard traits you expect if a superhero. Even in my beloved DCAU I feel like Wonder Woman is just a difficult character to get a grasp on. I feel like I know more about Shining Knight and Vigilante in the DCAU from that one episode than all the Wonder Woman appearances across the whole thing. And don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe the people who tell me she's a great and iconic character, I just feel like I haven't seen that great and iconic version of her in any adaptions so far. I would love to see here eventually!
Honestly I think live action adaptations is what makes comic book characters iconic. One of the main reasons the DC trinity are so huge is because they all had successful tv shows back in the day before every character had a live action version. Those 3 got a head start over other characters. So with that logic, I think Iron Man and Wolverine probably have nearly caught up to them
I disagree. I think both Live Action & Animated Adaptations is what makes comic book characters iconic. Same goes to Video Games, and other types of books.
DC don't do allot with Wonder Woman because of the rights from the creator's family. The Marston family I believe they have more ties to Wonder Woman royalties and rights. Because of that is why DC don't do allot with her.
WB and DC missed a huge opportunity on not expanding on Wonder Wonder after her first successful live action film. We could've gotten an animated series that she desperately needed because she had some good supporting characters, villains, and stories worth telling. Giving Wonder Woman an animated series would most likely help to get viewers to know more about Diana and her lore. Had the DCEU been handled better, Wonder Woman could've been the bridge that connects the Golden and Silver Age eras due to her being active with both the JSA and the JLA. I also do believe some of the DC writers and Hollywood filmmakers need to be more accurate to the Greek myth lore instead of putting their own nonsense into it.
For Wonder Woman, maybe they should just go back to the Marston approach to a degree...and show that Col. Steve Trevor is a beard...yes, Marston's Amazons were always Lesbians, and it was only known to him, his wife, his side-chick, artist H.G. Peters and co-writer Joy Hummel. Could even play into how in the 1940's that beards were required to avoid insults and arrest and that is exactly why Alan Scott, the first GL had two beards and he really gave the folks a fright by having a thing for villains...of course he did have kids before he could be open, and got into arguments over it with his son Obsidian, but those were settled because he hadn't sorted himself out yet.
I will never understand what Zack Synder’s fans see in him. You can listen to the guy talk in interviews and tell that he’s confused and doesn’t know what he’s talking about so how the hell do you expect him to make a good sensible movie?
We live in the darkest timeline when the frisbee thrower from marvel is considered the 4th most iconic superhero more than Diana of Themyscira,when Quinn is getting more of a push than Diana and she was not considered iconic until the Gadot film. Shows how little DC understand or respect her impact.
@@Drawing4Justice Spider-Man deserves but not Iron Man. I mean he is popular now let's see how his reputation in say 10 years. People still remember Spider-Man trilogy 20 years later. Not saying Iron Man is a flat out bad character but some characters just fade away.
@@ggt47 yeah, iron man popularity is more actually robert downey jr bc frankly, iron man in comics is so hateable, his only enjoyable version is mcu and it's bc his actor
It's the same issue I have with Hawkman, Martian Manhunter and pre 2010 Aquaman. Each new writer seems to wanna reshape the world around them (ignoring alot of supporting characters and villains)
I feel like a lot of people underestimate or downplay Diana's importance within the Trinity and that friendship. She is so severely needed there. Like, yeah, Clark and Bruce are best friends, but so is Diana. They need her, and she loves them. She brings so much energy to that friendship. Without her, it's just two dudes who hang out, but she brings the love. The chemistry she has with them makes it truly feel like they all truly love each other like they've known each other their whole lives. She can bring them both down a peg, and also raise them up. Clark isn't exactly emotionally stunted, but Bruce definitely is or was, but even after that I feel many writers have Bruce almost be a little shy with speaking with Clark, just because he hasn't really had that many true friends his age, but Diana sort of just removes that. She makes both Clark and Bruce more open, just by being there, and being her. It's kinda tropey, but it's also kind of true to life, with the guys not really being comfortable being open about feelings to each other, but put a girl in the friend group, and we're cooking.
I've always said it was crazy how DC still hadn't thought people were ready for a Wonder Woman movie while Marvel was like "Here, we got Guardians of the Galaxy, we got Ant Man.... Is there someone more obscure you'd like to see a film adaptation of?"
honestly you've given me a new outlook on the big 3 of Dc, i always liked the bruce and diana pairing but your honestly right, the 3 of them being friends above all else is where the gold mine of stories come from
Amazing vid. Wonder Woman is easily one of the most iconic and popular characters of all time and anyone who doesn’t see this is an idiot. She’s also been heavily underutilized by DC and WB. For someone who gets marketed as one of DC’s big three, she hardly has any content to her name and SIDE characters like Krypto and Kiteman are somehow getting content before her. It’s absolutely ridiculous. The New 52 is also a terrible take on the character. Thank god it was retconned but I hate it when people still try to bring it up and the DCEU greatly mishandled her as well with both the ideas for her and the casting choice. DC and WB need to realize already that Wonder Woman is in the Trinity and the Mount Rushmore of superheroes and deserves to be treated as such. And they need to do WAY better with her than they have in certain universes.
Yeah, I don't understand it. Wonder Woman is one of the most important characters in DC Comics and even served as the third command of the Justice League. But still, she never had an animated series after Superman: TAS ended, so they chose Batman Beyond because of the popularity of Batman: TAS. And neither they made her solo movie until 2017. I heard it was some kind of embargo that was responsible for the negligence of Wonder Woman. What kind of embargo ? I don't know. But it does explain why Wonder Woman and her mythos were poorly executed in the Justice League cartoon. She never appeared or was mentioned in Smallville, Teen Titans (2003), and The Batman (2004). And she only appeared twice in Batman: The Brave and the Bold.
Smallville Season 11 comics have her appear in Olympian and they have the best way of how Steve and Diana meet in any universe. Berlanti also considered them canon to Earth-167 for the CW-Multiverse. They did also acknowledge her by having Lois dress as "Warrior Angel" for a costume party and provided a punchline to Dana Delaney's joke since Wonder Embargo at the time.
@@truthspreader1996that is it?? bro marvel sells like at least more than 8 characters in the roster including their three teams (f4, xmen, and avengers) and also when was the last time we got a superman game??? Since forever
4:11 the funny thing about that is that Wonder Woman was made ambassador for genuine reasons and the women themselves said ‘her breasts are pretty big and it sets an unrealistic standard for girls’ but they don’t realise that in this instance they were sexualising her. The irony
it was also cause y'know, they'd have liked an *actual person* to get the title and not a fictional character, and on top of that the criticism that she "caters to the male gaze" is pretty valid considering the circumstances of her creation and her publication history
Imagine, the villain gets more love. When Wonder Woman is too perfect they say she’s boring and when’s she’s a fighter they say she’s too much of a warrior and should be a pacifist.
Wonder Woman needs to adapted properly. Cut the whole MAN BAD syndrome they’ve been putting her on for years. It makes her straight up unlikable at times and that’s not who Wonder Woman is supposed to be. She stands up for women yes but she doesn’t have to beat guys down. I get that realistically she may have some Bies due to her upbringing on theme Acura but it needs to be a character flaw that she actually work her way out of.
You missed my point. Men aren’t some special kind of evil. Women are just as capable of it. Often times Wonder Women is portrayed in a way where she shows a clear Bies against men and very frequently calls out all men in general in general any time one does something bad or simply something she doesn’t like. The whole “you men are all the same” bullshit just makes her look shortsighted and sexist. On occasion it’s been so uncalled for that other woman even call her out for it and she just responds by scowling or something. Wonder Woman is better than that. That’s the writers making her look high and mighty for no reason. You don’t see other heroes showing that kind of Bies towards one or the other gender. To be clear, I’m not a Wonder Woman hater, but I just find it incredibly cringe how writers have made misandriny apart of her personality.
@@darkspark5854 this why the Kerri Russell 2009 animated film (based on the 1987 George Perez run) works so well. Diana's finding out the although Steve can use the lasso on her to call her shenanigans...he doesn't necessarily need to...and vice versa even though they aren't a couple there.
I agree Wonder woman SHOULD be on the mt rushmore...but the massive impact of the mcu cant just go ignored in how it elevated the legacies of characters. Movies and TV shows are HUGE reasons as to why every popular and iconic character reached their levels of popularity.
She is the all time best superhero that protects the good in humanity. Her only weakness us popularity out of comics and being part of a Myth in Sci-fi
I have to admit I'm one of those fans who tends to forget about wonderwoman, seeing though put the years. Outside of movies or justice league unlimited, I feel like Wonder Woman hardly gets any recognition. Times I feel like kinda get over shadowed by other female characters like Harley Quinn, supergirl, aye batgirl but idk. Mostly when someone's asks me, I'm talking about female Hero's in dc. I tend to think about supergirl or Harley, but I easily forget Wonder Woman. So I feel like she really needs a cartoon for herself, and I hope that her new game will make people like me remember her more.
@@NJ-eo2oc Supergirl is a fair first thought though, at least she is heroic. Remember, Supergirl was never Superman's sidekick despite the name...she was always her own deal, same with Barbara Gordon when she became Batgirl 2.0. Wonder Woman can be thought of as iconic for being the first popular superheroine, but Supergirl has always been a little more widely known...and has also been the only one else who wears the S to get both a movie and a show...and be in cartoons and movies regularly...likewise on the Bat-side Babs is pretty much the embodiment of what a heroine can do these days. Does Wonder Woman need a comic sales boost? Yes, but those boosts need external media to boost them....the Carter show did good for many years, so did Super Friends, JL/U gave *her* the Aquaman treatment unless Dwayne MacDuffie was writing. She really needs a new cartoon.
supergirl will always be popular because of the name same for batgirl, but i dont get why dc keeps trying to push harley quinn in our face, shes almost in everything with dc as a main or side character, dont get me wrong she can be a good character but its gets repetetive also why does she have more growth in the last decade than wonder woman? and the only time wonder woman is written good is when the JL get involved
Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying Iron Man or Captain America are the 4th most iconic hero at the very least in the modern era of comics. I never understood the argument people make about their pre-MCU popularity and how that is somehow an indictment on them as far as their popularity goes(its also not true in the case of Cap). The superhero genre is portrayed how it is in present day bc of Iron Man. Much of that is down to how big he became with the success of the MCU. If you were to add up the funds, I wouldn't be surprised if it came out to more than what Wonder woman has generated in modern times.
It's very true. Iron Man just is a more iconic and popular superhero in todays era over Wonder Woman. It didn't used to be like that, but when one characters kills it repeatedly year after year on the big screen, and the other gets nothing for years until a decent entry finally comes along then proceeds to shit the bed on its followup and all other appearances of the character; the status quo isn't going to stay the same. Captain America has always been looked at in such a goofy light, yet the MCU dragged him kicking and screaming into such a household name. People love Cap now, my cinema was screaming when he picked up Mjolnir in Endgame. It's just not correct these days to say Wonder Woman is above that. DC has honestly been doing such a shit job with its characters in the movie space. Green Lantern is the new old Cap, people aren't keen on Flash due to the prior CW soap opera fatigue and Ezra Miller, Dwayne put the nail in the DCEU coffin with Black Adam. All they have anymore is Batman and Superman, who really just get by on their already established iconography despite whatever nonsense they put them through in their movies. Zack really was a terrible choice to manage these brands.
@@Raelyn Agreed on everything. And to be honest, I'd argue that the heights Iron Man has been able to transcend to are higher than the height of Wonder Woman's popularity. Peak MCU Iron Man was literally everywhere. His books were flying off shelves. I don't think Wonder Woman has ever had mass fan mania in the way Iron Man did at the height of the MCU. That comes with her being overshadowed by the other two members of the DC trinity. Iron Man made an appearance in a Spider Man movie and literally ALMOST outshined him. Can you believe that?
I can’t blame them tho. Warner bros and comics refuse to do anything interesting with her character for over a decade. The biggest Wonder Woman content we’ve gotten are her movies (which are shit), injustice (where she’s a psychopath), dc animated movies (where she’s barley developed or does anything) and justice league unlimited (where she’s nerfed and thirsty for Batman). Doesn’t help that Harley Quinn, Catwoman, raven, any main girl form young justice overshadow Wonder Woman in content. I’d be pretty pissed if I was a Wonder Woman Stan.
I think if the Wonder Woman game is good, she'll get an upsurge in popularity. Video games reach a huge market, and if the Wonder Woman game is as well liked as something like Arham Asylum, then it could give Wonder Woman a place in the market.
I was born in 1971. When I was a kid there were 3 seasons of the Wonder Woman show and Wonder Woman was on Superfriends until I was a teenager in 1986. Then I had to wait 15 years until Justice League in 2001 for another Wonder Woman appearance. And this was back when you had to be home on Friday night at 8:00 to watch Wonder Woman or you missed it until it was rerun.
I love how people hate complaining about Wonder Woman's superhero-suit, her waistline being too thing or her breasts being too big. "It's setting unhealthy standards for woman and is a sexual object for the male writers." Like, nearly every male hero is buff af. The suits are tight and some guys wear revealing things. I only need to say one word: Nightwing
Couldn't agree more! What's sad is the reality that people question if she's worthy of being the fourth character of the most iconic comic book superheroes isn't their fault. It's DC, WB and WBD’s fault! Even back in the George Perez days, they fought with him about promoting a crossover event headlining WW to celebrate her 50th anniversary because they didn't believe in her. It's sad that DC is probably the first to tout that she is one of the trinity but they will also be the first to not believe him her. Ultimately, WW isn’t as popular as DC touts her to be because DC doesn't believe it themselves.
I honestly think that Wonder Woman 1984 wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. I honestly liked it and did more respect to the character than Zack did in his Justice League film. I will admit that Wonder Woman definitely deserved her own animated series and needed more of her own movies, the way Superman and Batman tend to get. At least Wonder Woman had a great version in the DCAU.
I don't think Paradise Lost will ever be produced given the precarious state WB is in these days,unless it was released as a cartoon. Maybe base it on the 3 part black label Wonder Woman Historia series.
I'm still mad that they gave harley quinn and kite man animated shows before wonder woman. And better yet, if they do give her an animated series they would definitely add batman to season 2.
Wonder Woman is definitely up there with the other demi god like characters: for example Superman, Thor, Hercules, and Shazam. My personal favorite versions of the Demi goddess is her post crisis, New 52, even the rebirth self. Superman/Wonder Woman is my favorite ship, btw still is, and a little fun fact here is that there was A time when someone came up with the idea of having Captain America leaving marvel comics being given to DC while Martian Manhunter was also gonna go to marvel. I don’t know if this was just pure speculation or not but it would’ve been kind of interesting to see how the mighty super soldier team up with the Amazon princess if they were in the same universe. However that being said I do think that wonder woman has been treated unfairly when it comes to her own stories and even her own rogues gallery, now maybe that’s just my personal opinion but I think the way that they did the wonder woman TV series was, at the time, a fairly good adaptation of her pre-crisis self.
It makes you wonder like damn we really are about to have a terrible DC Universe after this yet because nobody's going to take the care of the seriously they're going to be jokes and they're going to be happy go lucky like the current MCU and then people are going to be like we didn't want this crap but you didn't want nobody to be serious with the characters I don't know I kind of prefer the characters being a little bit more serious and actually being challenged and doing something different and remember this is a brand new universe isn't it funny how the MCUs allowed to change the characters up to be unrecognizable and we're okay with that but heaven forbid Zack Snyder try something different with the VCEU characters Oh my God that's terrible Why are we so restrictive when it comes to DC characters but we allow Marvel characters to give screwed over and changed makes you wonder huh because after he left all of the DCU movies flopped at the box office kind of funny how all the movies that he worked on were successful at the box office while the movies that he what didn't work on were flops
I'll play Devil's Advocate and say that there's an ARGUMENT for Hulk being the 4th most iconic hero (Diana's not the only one with an iconic classic series) but anyone who knows anything about comics, even the most basic boi casual, knows its Wonder Woman
WW deserves and needs better adaptations, I have high hopes for her game (not only being her first, but it needs to be great for WB to realise more games of characters that are not Batman, are requested from fans). On the side note, I think a animated series focusing on her throughout centuries before modern times, travelling the Earth, interacting with different people, cultures and learning with them and showing how she came to be the character that she is would be awesome. One of the reasons I think this would be cool, if she were to get different types of armor and weapons of places she lived during her journey, her armory is one minor detail that could be explored easily in an animated show.
Orrrr we can just follow what Kelly Sue Deconnick did with the character? Wonder Women Historia is the best thing to ever be done to the character in decades
To me, personally, Willam Moulton Marston, George Perez, William Messner-Loebs, and John Byrne are the only writers who actually understand Wonder Woman.
@@brandonscott4808 Greg Rucka, Phil Jiminez and Gail Simone did well during the Post-Crisis/Old 52 era as well. Too bad we never really got a Donna Troy takes the mantle briefly series during that era, because Jiminez actually wanted to do that and the modernized logo on the classic suit with the beaked =W= was originally going to be Donna's but somehow got back to Diana because Circe and Hercules got mad that Diana really needed a vacation after "The Snap" and had strongly considered retiring because "The Snap" meant "Oh Snap, I broke the rules I defined all those years ago." and Jiminez had also been the one person at the time to actually untangle Ms. Crisis of Infinite Origins.
Very well said. It's really sad that Wonder Woman still does not have her own animated series. Her connection to Greek lore and growing up on an island of only women is a concept that should be explored more, not to mention the Bana-Mighdall's & Esquecida's (Brazilian Amazons). I truly hope the DCU can finally give Diana an adaptation that is true to her and most especially a great adaptation that can be talked about.
It shouldn't be, The Flash and Arrow got well acclaimed TV shows that got more attention than the comics and so, people care more about them than someone who didn't have that type of exposure.
As someone who truly believes that one of my favorite Dc ships ever will always be Wonderbat I also get very upset about seeing any story that features Wonder Woman as Superman’s girlfriend or romantic interest. Seriously it doesn’t work for me. It’s good for there to be different interpretations of her character for certain but there should also be more new adaptations that take the original character and her classic stories more seriously. I truly would love to see her get cartoon series and or a new movie. I also respect your opinion on what she should do in the future but for me my favorite Wonder Woman is definitely the animated movie! It actually makes more sense and develops its characters in better ways. As for how her origin should be explained, I think the zuess narrative is fine but I also agree that the clay method is a lot more intriguing and makes a much more interesting story. Your videos are so well done and very informative!
They really should give her a physicall weakness like they did to Batman and Superman. That part is always bugged me. Not saying bring her old weakness back,but give her a good one that make sense with the character.
From the Post-Crisis era these are the best runs if you want specific Hippolyta, Diana and Donna-Centric stories. George Perez run John Byrne run Greg Rucka Phil Jiminez run Gail Symone run If you want an Artemis Grace centric story read the Loebs run. Rebirth- Greg Rucka, Kelly Sue DeConnick.
Wonder woman's problem can generally be boiled down to 3: 1. Misandristic tones mixed with her feminism 2. Inconsistencies such as her origins, powers ,and lore 3. Too preachy. Although many other heroes are like this, many of her comics are the author placing their biased beliefs onto Diana's and it ruins her.
If you were kryptonian, why would she have to deflect bullets with her wrists? Were they trying to make her like Thor where they’re perceived as gods but there really aliens? Also, as much as I like the trinity, let’s give some love to other members like flash, or green lantern or green arrow or heck, even Hawkman like there are other members of the DC universe.
To give Hawkman attention you have to give Wonder Woman some more first...because eventually Hawkman and Wonder Woman become in-laws when their kids marry...and one of Hawkman's monikers is the initials "WW" for Winged Wonder.
I need Wonder Woman to fight for peace, equality, and justice. That’s what she fights for. She’s not a blood thirsty warrior, that’s why Amazon’s hate men. They find it barbaric.
Exactly. They need to do what the MCU did with Cap. That elevator scene in Cap 2 was the perfect embodiment of the character. Willing to give people a chance to solve things non-violently but will kiss ass if needed.
I couldn't stand behind the Amazonians if they are men hating
@@mkatcoff Maybe the late Akira Toriyama should have forseen the consequences of Cell Saga Gohan losing it so badly he'd become a bloodthirsty warmonger that thinks about revenge also affecting Wonder Woman indirectly for the writters. My hunch is that just cause a pacifist warrior has to lose it it doesn't give you always the right to write Wonder Woman like this like 24/7. In short it all started secretly and presumably because the writters took a cautionary tale as an inspiration BY MILKING IT TO DEATH. Not defending the writters just.... trying to point out that making pacifist lose all senses of reason for the sake of survival should at one point JUST STOP BEING EXPLOITED
They’re warriors by default.
@@serena3673 Diana is supposed to be an Ariel though.
Just because she knows how to fight...doesn't mean she wants to. She's the embodiement of "there's a better way to do this."
It’s frustrating when people are so quick to dismiss Wonder Woman because of how DC really underutilized her and her lore. The fact that she never gotten an animated show, 2 animated movies, and a few live action adaptations is just so…disappointing. It’s even more insulting to the character of how much dc would just neglect her despite being one of the trinity and one the first and important female superheroes in comic book history.
I can’t blame them tho. Warner bros and comics refuse to do anything interesting with her character for over a decade. The biggest Wonder Woman content we’ve gotten are her movies (which are shit), injustice (where she’s a psychopath), dcau animated movies (where she’s barley developed or does anything. Even raven does more in those films) and justice league unlimited (where she’s nerfed and thirsty for Batman).
Doesn’t help that Harley Quinn, Catwoman, raven, any main girl form young justice overshadow Wonder Woman in content. I’d be pretty pissed if I was a Wonder Woman Stan.
Agreed 👍 however with that being said a hero is only as great as their struggles aka villains. Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and the Flash all have better and more iconic villains than her. She needs better written villains to showcase how awesome she is.
Wonder Woman is a misandrist
@@FriendlyBatDoomSuperman or Flash doesn't have better villians than her at all. they are just underutilized. thats the difference
@NJ-eo2oc ehhh I dunno man. Flash's and superman's villains are iconic.
I only really know Circe and Cheetah. Ares and Zeus are also meh to me.
I always find it insane how Harley Quinn is getting better treatment than Wonder Woman by movies, shows, and even video games.
Right and she’s not half as powerful as Wonder Woman or influential but she has gotten more recognition and better portrayals
she is more relatable
ww a boss bitch
while hq ain't shit
do the math
Well she's an edge lord.....it's what sells these days 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
That would be because wonder woman is a joke, Harley Quinn is a character that ya know...makes sense? Harleen Quinzel is a regular person who lost her mind and fell in love with a madman. That is interesting, people can sympathize and understand her backstory. Women in general can relate to HQ because she has actual flaws and displays real issues women go through, WW in comparison is a hilariously bad joke. She is the complete opposite of feminism, Big Barda is a more interesting femininst icon.
@@worldeater2414 Lmao no….. Harley Quinn is a boring cringe character. She is not a “Hero” at all. She is evil. She blew a bunch of children up with explosive video games. DC would be better off without her. She’s just some massively overrated crazy white girl. She is not “ relatable” at all. I’m tired of people thinking powerful characters are “boring” and street level characters are better just because they are more depowered. Characters do. Or need to be weak as hell to be interesting. Wonder Woman makes her enemies understand the value of equality and helps her female companions realize their self worth.
At least shes not getting the cyborg treatment. Bro is literally the side character of side characters
Why make him a major League member if he's sidelined.
@@Youngphillynorf bro literraly also not only that look of what Josh weddon did to him. Hes the director of the first avengers movie.
Eh at least his character always treated right
so what side characters are important
The logic that Wonder Woman or other female superheroes cant be attractive cause it sets unrealistic body standards is hypocritical when 90% of male superheroes look like Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime. Especially since most these characters have superpowers and the physique just comes naturally without any work. Like Peter Parker literally just woke up one morning and went from looking like Xqc to Hugh Jackman.
They complain because they are aware of the fact that men are attracted to, well, attractive women (women are the same way. This is pretty basic human biology), and that alone pisses them the hell off because they are a bunch of extremely jealous, bitter chicks who never got over dudes not giving them enough attention in high school, but also never wanted to improve not even a little bit to get attention from the men THEY wanted (because I'm pretty sure they still had some dude pining over them. Almost all women have at some point lol). Not only is this complaint hypocritical (Disney Princesses have been subject to the same type of ridiculous scrutiny for years), but also misogynistic as hell in nature. Men like big titties (God forbid THAT!!!!), so women must be punished for it. Aren't they supposed to be the main ones fighting against that type of thinking? 💀
Fun fact, the rise of superhero movies has corresponded with a rise in body image issues among men! Equality wins!
So basically, she can have the strength of Heracles and the speed of Hermes, but for some reason the beauty of Aphrodite is off limits.
Zack Synder wanting to turn Amazons into Kryptonians was super disrespectful
WW fans think she is Mrs. Superman so why not.
@@julez4002 it really doesn't fit...because "why do the Amazons need their bracelets" come up?
@@Superlad9494 The bracelets really don't make sense. If she can take a punch from Superman why the hell are bullets a danger to her? So yeah they need to clear things up with her.
@@WompaStompaCyn Bullets are sharp. Superman's punch to her isn't, to her it's like an angry kid pounding clay.
It's explained in the comics. Diana can be cut, so the bracelets act like shields for one reason...another reason? If there's no Bracelets on Diana...you better start running...three weeks ago if you're the villain...Superman himself said the real expression is "like a Wonder Woman scorned" and how fitting her first daughter is codenamed Fury.
@@Superlad9494 🤣🤣🤣
Wonder Woman: I'm a child of Zeus
"Do you have the slightest idea of how little does that narrows it down?"
Thalia, Kratos and Heron: "Yeah yeah, join the club. When there's so many of us, we start to become less special."
@@legoking6165 A fellow PJO fan, I see? Unless you're talking about another Thalia. In that case, forget what I said
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No, I was referencing the Percy Jackson and the Olympians character.
"freaking Kite-man got a tv series before wonder woman" is.a bar
It's still shocking that she hasn't gotten an animated series of her own. She's part of the big three of DC she deserves to have one already.
Yeah, Wonder Woman didn't got her own animated series is criminal, but yet, DC and Warner Bros. decide to gives Harley Quinn, an Batman-related character, her own cartoon show rather than Wonder Woman herself, one of the Trinity, like what the heck, DC?
I mean, she got her own animated dvd movies and her own theatrical movie and yet Wonder Woman never gotten her very own animated series, and no, DC Superhero Girls does no count, folks.
Heck, her almost got her animated series which than turn into Justice Society: War World II movie instead and yet, we didn't get an Justice Society animated series, as well.
James Gunn has already said that Wonder Woman will get her own animated tv show
The third DCAU series should’ve been Wonder Woman’s.
Freaking Harley Quinn got her own show but Wonder Woman didn't, what sense does that make!?
@@ahmadmohammed4212 he said he's working on it. That does not equate to getting one.
Trying to get that invisible jet off the ground appears to be the hardest thing to do at WB for some reason.
Wonder Woman deserves an actress who can act. I’m also highly surprised with the lack of content with her considering she’s easily the most influential and most iconic female superhero to date.
She has some animation movies on her belt, and they lean more on her mythological nature, which is good, but she needs more.
Gal was amazing and brought her to life it was amazing and I loved everything she’s done as her
@@Therealkg1210gal was a cardboard box and WW deserves bettet
Considering the modern obssesion with the "first female/black/etc. superhero/protagonost" I am also shocked honestly. All this talk of "diversity and inclusion" but they ignore:
- Explicitly feminist hero initially with bondage being a big part of her gimick
- Female hero with a very simple but practical move and power set that's perfect for drama and story
- Rocks with superman and batman, two of the most if not most popular superheroes of all time, very often
- Lives on an island populated entirely by women who you can have "something extra" to reproduce, are made out of clay or leave and come back to raise their female children in matriarical societies where no man lives.
@@Therealkg1210KaL-eL nO
I think that Injustice and flashpoint did some damage too, as I believe that a good number of people believe, that she is a raging misandrist, who manipulates people and is looking for any excuse to shamk anyone she doesn't like, mainly because of those works.
VERY true
Not just Injustice and Flashpoint, but even the Wonder Woman comics during the early 2000s, and her New 52 run also did damage to her character as well.
@brandonscott4808 you pretty much nailed why she's no longer popular
@@brandonscott4808 The comics didn't help either, but I mentioned the Flashpoint movie and the Injustice games, because they had a far greater impact on the genaral public, than the comics. Like, evil Superman was unavoidable at one point.
@@batuhanbolat5656 And even before that, you had the DCAU Justice League (whom many consider the most popular JL cartoon in existence) portraying her as nothing but a mean, angry misandrist. So, even back then, they weren't doing much to give her a good reputation.
I do prefer them leaning into greek mythology for woman woman.
Her books in the 80s were very good.
George Perez's run on the title was incredible. He is truly missed.
Wonder Woman is The G.O.A.T. Of Fictionalized Woman Characters & The Greatest Woman Hero Of All Time.
I hope her game does NOT have a battle pass
@Gin-San101 Whoever is the best or better woman characters depends on people's personal opinion. The Greatest however is definitely Wonder Woman.
Jolyne Kujo better.
:D !
@@Melkac😂
I used to think that Wonder Woman’s invisible jet was dumb. Not really because of the jet itself, but more because I thought it was unnecessary for someone who has the ability to fly would need a jet. But through the years, I started to realize how useful and practical it is for Wonder Woman to use in different situations compared to her just flying on her own
The problem has never been with Wonder Woman. It's with DC either dragging their feet with her (in the case of films, video games, or cartoons) or just treating her like the 3rd pillar of DC. For her 50th anniversary, George Perez had to go to DC to do something to celebrate. They didn't already have plans to celebrate her anniversary 🤦🏿
Wonder Woman 84 really tarnished her character. I hope she’ll get a second chance soon.
Edit: even a worse offender is the injustice wonder woman.
Wonder Woman is a misandrist
Tarnished?!
@@dripblast9711 yup
Not really
Y’all overreact most non superhero heads liked that movie Wonder Woman is too 3 dc
Snyder had no respect for the source material. Then people wonder why the DCEU failed miserably.
Synder wanted to deconstruct the characters and do something different with them. And with characters this popular you can’t do that. It has to be the same over and over again. Except in the comics things change but you can’t do that in the movies. No creativity allowed.
@zacharyfrancis7708 Nonsense. There is plenty of creativity allowed but you have to keep the essence of the character intact. Once you do that you can get as creative as you want. A perfect example is Batman. Keaton, Bale and Pattinsons are vastly different but they work because the essence of the 3 remains true to the character while Afflecks is a mess. Superman on the other hand didn't connect. Reeves Superman is completely different from Rouths and both are completely different from Cavill.
@@dblshotz75 The thing is deconstruction is a necessary evil to many people's eyes. That said maybe Snyder should have done A REAL investigation to ensure a deconstruction didn't leave even children with a bad taste. Maybe also a reconstruction should have also happened like it tends to happen in the MCU. Conspiracy theory (not to defend Snyder tho): He might have taken the deconstruction incarnate named Spec Ops The Line a little too seriously. WAY TOO MUCH SERIOUSLY
@@dblshotz75 lol Batman's Pattinson is crap
@@rybackfrankie8679 Where did I mention it?
Hot Wonder Woman take: I don't like her with a sword and shield. She may be a warrior, but she's always been willing to be diplomatic, even attempting to redeem her own villains. Dc kinda went "but she's a warrior, she's gotta have weapons!" But they kinda missed the point. She's above weapons, which is why the ones she does actually have are unconventional, being a lasso, her gauntlets, etc. She embodies more than just being a badass warrior.
Even DC's editors actually said back then "what do you mean Wonder Woman doesn't have a shield? She's got the two on her wrists."
The Carter show also said her whole armor is an unconventional weapon set. That tiara is a boomerang with a pager in it, the belt amplifies her power off the island, the boots/sandals break magical barriers...and the comics have also once said her jet's an even more advanced version of the Magic School Bus...so how is that not cool?
I mean I always loved her with a sword and shield it makes her look more badass and amazing and she uses them well
I'll give you an even hotter take: I absolutely HATE her with a sword and shield. I think its the completely wrong direction for the the character. She's ''wonder'' woman, not ''warrior'' woman.
@@nephirdiego77 again...she's got two on her wrist and her tiara can be used as a boomerang same with Daphne Blake's headband.
@@Superlad9494 I know. I was refering to the actual round shield that they insist in give her in modern depictions. Lasso, bracelets and tiara are iconic, and far superior to redundant and generic sword and shield.
Wonder Woman suffers from bad writers.
IMO there is also the issue that she is “THE” icon of feminism and equality from DC. As a stand alone, no one is going to want to watch that because of the inevitable backlash of handling her incorrectly. You’ll have modern feminists complaining about their political views and demanding changes to conform with their standards, which in turn will alienate the rest of the audience with versions of WW which are nothing like her DC counterpart.
@@Dyoni1right it’s… Feminism that’s the problem, not cis hetero men writing her like they don’t care.
@@yehooyahoo6861 I really don't think it's feminism here.
I think it's the same problem as the Lynda Carter show which the books have always indicated.
Wonder Woman (Princess and Commander/Lieutennant Diana Prince) much like the rest of her JSA buddies works best in historical settings with a return later as a veteran heroine...once the historical setting is done...so is she.
This is why nothing between 1948 and now ever stuck with her and why the Carter show went off the air after 1979. Diana is not meant to be a present day character even if she has had good writers in the modern era.
Now I'm not saying we can't have a present day Wonder Woman, but DC really should have considered the "Diana works better in a historical period" angle when they did their relaunches in 1986 as a lot of the modern stories for Diana really don't work for Diana at all, but they keep trying to insert Diana where she doesn't fit...and neither did the entirety of the Seikowsky/O'Neill run...each of them work better for other people in DC.
The Oddyssey mini-series from 2010 is a story meant for Donna.
The Nu52 stuff from Azzerello is Nubia's department.
The Seikowsky/O'Neill run is meant for Black Canary instead of Diana, but editorial wants Diana because they wanted to modernize her a bit more when she should have been retired and returned later as a veteran heroine following WW2's end and the bicentennial JSA resurgeance in the 1970's.
The entire Kanigher run could have also been revamped for another Amazon instead as well...Orana, an early attempt at Artemis Grace...who now acts as a wise woman on Paradise Island...as you could use the Atomic Age stories to show Orana having to earn all of Diana's abilities as she goes along (what JL 2001 was implying) and the Silver and Bronze Age Earth-1 stories (and not any imaginary tales) to show her finally having learned what it meant to be Wonder Woman to the point she was the one who was seemingly lost in the Crisis, but not before passing the title on to Donna who's stories as Wonder Woman should have covered the Perez, Loeb, Byrne and first Rucka runs, then had Lyta take over with Jiminez and Simone, and let Nubia be the current Wonder Woman from Azzerello to present with the past ones returning as needed.
@@yehooyahoo6861 CIS HETERO MEN CREATED HER, AND CIS HETERO MEN ARE WHO YOU NEED TO WATCH HER MEDIA TO INCREASE HER POPULARITY, LIKE HOW WOMEN'S BASKETBALL NEED CIS HETERO MEN TO WATCH THE SPORT BECAUSE WOMEN DON'T.
@@yehooyahoo6861what are you talking about?? Wonder Woman best comic is written by a man
I think part of the problem, is a lot of people can’t quickly point to what her personality is the way they can with Batman & Superman.
A lot of people don’t even know what she does in her civilian life, or who’s in her rogues gallery.
For the bulk of the general public, they like the idea of her without really knowing her, and so just apply whatever traits they think fit to her.
That's been going on since 1968 amusingly...although I do think most people recognize Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, Dr. Cyber and Ares given these are the 5 major players of hers...mostly Cheetah though.
The civillain life is constantly changing as some form of Military, but it should have never been switched from Nurse to Secretary....she was saving lives 24/7 as a Nurse and could have still been a Lieutennant/Commander (depending on branch, and I prefer her, Etta and Steve all being Navy since it's more unique.)
I was always a Marvel reader, growing up, so I’m not very familiar with WW other than the basics. I can say I probably know more than a random person on the street.
But even then, I have no idea who Circe or Dr. Cyber are. Giganta I’ve seen a couple times but didn’t know she was associated with WW. And Ares seems like a cheat, since he’s just on loan from Greco/Roman mythology.
@@makocrab2223Because a lot of WW villains, just end up being used as JL villains or part of the League of Villains.
@@makocrab2223 yeah, but even Super Friends of all things made Giganta a rogue of Apache Chief/Longshadow instead...and JL/U implied outside of a few fights she was more of a Flash villain...weird.
That explains it.
Thanks!
I agree 100% about the clark x diana relationship topic, the trinity is so much better as friends. Superman and Wonder Woman being together just reinforces the stereotypes of " men and women can't be friends", cause some people think that whenever there's a man and a woman coexisting, it's obligatory for them to be in a romantic relationship ☠️
Wonder Woman is a misandrist
It's not. The trinity being "better as friends" is subjective. They would also work just fine if Clark & Diana are involved romantically.
The "reinforces stereotypes" argument is just silly because Diana is clearly just friends with Bruce so clearly Men & Women can be friends. But with Superman it's always been more than that.
@@jonnjones8263 It's just my opinion but okay. First, i didn't say they wouldn't work out having a romantic relationship within the trinity, i personally love their friendship miles more. Second, even if she's still just friends with Batman (which didn't happen in the JL cartoon as an example) but is dating Superman, it's still stereotypical, she can date other men while having both Clark and Bruce as friends, I'm sure women can contain themselves 😉
@@jonnjones8263 the thing is though outside of their Powers and Superhero life Clark and Diana have next to nothing in common. Diana is a Princess and Clark is a reporter/ Farmer. Diana is more than willing to be brutal or even in some cases kill and Clark takes so much care to refrain from hurting someone even accidentally. Clark is Better with Lois because she makes him feel like a normal Human. Diana is someone who likes both Clark and Superman but clearly prefers Superman hence why she tends to refer to him as Kal'el and not Clark.
@@vortechx7176 Saying Clark & Diana have nothing in common is just objectively not true. To say that is to deny their entire history together. Not to mention, you only pointed out two slight differences that are actually good for storytelling because they can be used for conflict. A difference in work job isn't even a real difference especially since him being a reporter and her being an ambassador go hand in hand. Him being a farmer isn't really much of a difference either since Diana is an island girl who loves nature. Which again, goes hand in hand. Diana accepts both sides of Clark. She doesn't "prefer" Superman. Thats propaganda. The one who prefers Superman was actually Lois. If you go back and look at old Comics it was actually Lois who was obsessed with Superman and didn't care about Clark until DC reconnected her. Diana calls him both Clark & Kal acknowledging both sides of him. Clark doesn't need Lois to feel human.
Amazonians raping men and killing male infants is part of Greek mythology but I agree that it doesn’t belong in the comic books. I’d like to see Diana get the respect she deserves.
which source are you pulling from to say that Amazonians raping men is part of greek mythology?
@@vickytaa1 The Labors of Herakles, the Argonautica, the Iliad, etc. Pretty much ALL of the ancient Greek myths have that tidbit about them.
@@ericriley1985 lmao i study Ancient Greek literature and none of those texts EVER depict Amazonians RAPING men. Fighting and killing them? sure. but not raping them.
I think the best wonder woman was best in the animated movies
Wonder Woman is a misandrist
I always liked justice league unlimited wonder woman
Never let Zack cook in DC again.
Never
Big babies
@jalontillmon2807 You're right. The people who wrote that script are big babies.
@@CyreseParrish that’s not what I mean
@@jalocool2807snyder heads💀
Once I read an article online where a fan of WW said he and many others had to buy two Wonder Woman issues every month to try to prevent the title from being cancelled because they knew it didn't had strong sales.
That's ridiculous and bs 😂. WW has always decent sales. Just look at the comic sales charts.
the ww title is lucky get into top 30 every month
she cant even carry more one title lacratezorok4975
Wonder Woman never got a DCAU show because Bruce Timm has said several times that he doesn’t like her as a character. It’s the same reason that Flash never got one.
Plus, her creator William Moulton Marston’s family estate is very selective and protective of what projects she can appear in. They’re the ones who prevented her from appearing on Smallville.
Messed up on a meta level that a dead man has so much control over what Wonder Woman can and cannot do.
@@concept5631 The Wonder Embargo actually didn't come from the Marston Estate.
It was actually DC Editorial's idea because such a fuss was made over Wonder Girl when the first season of JLU and Teen Titans were in production...yes a literal "Wonder-chick" fight is why we didn't see Donna and Cassie on JLU and Teen Titans.
JLU was going to be Diana's show initially, but since Teen Titans was also adapting the Wolfman-Perez run, and wanted to have their full seven set (Dick, Donna, Wally, Gar, Vic, Kori and Rachel) and there was a Wally restriction for the first four seasons of Teen Titans which is understandable. Wally was his own independent hero on JLU...why demote him back to "sidekick gone to the teen heroes turned junior league afterschool-club" (which is why crossovers never happened outside of shared v.a's and some character designs.) department right? That's why he only showed up in season 5 and only at the end (alongside two silent Donna cameos that were never outright stated.) Donna had a different problem...who called dibs? This caused so much trouble that DC's Monitors (Editors) effectively said "If you can't play nice with the Amazons...you can't play with them at all!" That's also when Wonder Woman started getting more actual Wonder Woman content in JLU instead of always being treated like a "female brute"...and then the 2009 film...with the rule being "if you show an Amazon, she can do everything the boys do, but better".
@@Superlad9494 Can't tell whether that's worse or not.
@@concept5631 it's an awkward reason, but logically Donna should have been on the Titans show and Diana should have got her own show which had her operating solo until Titans ended so that they could bring in Donna and Cassie later like how The Batman went about Robin by introducing Batgirl first and then Robin showed up once Titans ended.
Paul Levitz was the one making these decisions at the time too as EIC.
The agreement between the estate and DC was that WW should appear a certain number of times otherwise the rights would revert back to the estate. Hence why WW title is in the 700 issues range while the next longest running female solo title, Spider-Girl/Mayday Parker, is in the 102 issues range. They also stipulate that Diana should appear as a main character in whatever adaptations and not just a guest star. Hence why she couldn't appear as a guest star on Batman Beyond or Superman: TAS. This does not apply to ensembles where she is obviously one of the main characters. This rule also extended to the WG's hence why Donna or Cassie could not appear as guest stars on the Teen Titans shows. Eventually this rule was adjusted so WW was able to guest star in Brave and the Bold and Cassie could guest star on YJ but poor Donna Troy missed the boat on YJ and was then saddled with the awful Titans show.
My big issue with how Wonder Woman is written is that she's always written without flaw, like Superman but without Kryptonite or being a super boy scout. I was reading a comic where Wonder Woman was an ambassador to the world from Themascara, and Themascara was being attacked so naturally Themascara was defending itself...which made half the world "hate" Wonder Woman for no damn reason. Like WTF? Imagine if France was being invaded by Mongolia, France defended itself, they wouldn't make the French ambassador to New York public enemy #1. The response was that Wonder Woman was a tragic martyr and Themascara + Wonder Woman had to disappear. Total Melodrama.
Another story had Wonder Woman being attacked by this guy who was mind controlling Superman, and made it so that Wonder Woman could only survive by killing Superman or the mind control guy. She snaps the neck of the mind controlled guy. She goes to court and NOBODY defends Wonder Woman, she is let out to dry. Superman doesn't come in and say "yeah I was mind controlled, Wonder Woman saved me". The court doesn't say "This is a known supervillain like the Joker, the world is better without him". Instead it's "Wonder Woman is a tragic martyr, look at her suffer in silence". WTF?
What next, evil twin takes candy from a baby and the world hates Wonder Woman, who nobody believes despite her saving the world 100 times, instead she is now public enemy #1 and suffers in silence as a tragic martyr.
I also didn't like how they painted the gods as dumb asses, Zeus and Hades can be defeated easily (Athena used medusa's head on Zeus' champion and became the new ruler of Olympus, with her grand plan of "disappear" from the world. Hades dies to a single backstab. These should all have been fights that take atleast a full chapter instead of a page, and the grand plan should be more than "My goals are beyond your understanding, which is to run away so I don't have to do anything"). Imagine if somebody made Darkseid die to a single backstab, or made Doctor Doom be defeated because he lost a chess match. If this was Dragon Ball Z or Bleach or Naruto or some manga, you know damn well if Zeus or Hades got in a fight, it would've been like seeing Old Man (Genryūsai Shigekuni) Yamamoto get into a fight, or seeing Orochi fight. It would be something you'd never see before, larger than life, and take atleast a chapter or two in battle...not be a let down where you say "that's it?"
Damn you cooked.
One weakness is that she loses her powers if she is bound by a man.
Seriously.
@@mayotango1317 That hasn't been a thing since the Golden Age of comics.
Wonder Woman IS NOT Xena Warrior Princess. SHE CAN BE physical. If she NEEDS to be. It's certainly what's been pushed in DC Comics in the last 10 years. Wonder Woman is so much more. She uses her intelligence and her strength.
Also if you can't wear the Star-Spangled underroos, you dont deserve the role. I'm not saying she can't wear other armor or outfits for a reason, like fighting a boss villian.
As a Wonder Woman stanboy, I’ve been disappointed time and time and time again. She’s so under used. *Gal gadots take is not for me* It’s disappointing and it SUCKS. She’s just eye candy , tiny , bland , un-imposing, monotone. The DCAU movies has the best Wonder Woman hands down. She’s stoic , brooding, and aloof to modern civilizations ways yet she is passionate and caring. Her design is AMAZING. The Medusa movies depiction is good too and of course the OG JL series is amazing. Diana is now always either a Diabolical Tyrant (I do like flashpoint WW despite that movies huge flaws) or a antisocial mean b*tch side character with 30 seconds of screen time 😭😭😭😥😡😡😡😡 I pray to god we get a reboot of the character in all aspects soon.
I've seen some online claim that Wonder Woman shouldn't be on the Mount Rushmore of comic heroes. I really think it was a disservice to Wonder Woman not to have a solo series or movie during the unveiling of chapter one of the DCU.
To me, it’s Superman, Batman, Spider-Man and the Hulk.
@@CatotheEHulk is nowhere near as popular as WW
@@NJ-eo2oc Based on what?
@@CatotheE based on literary everyone that has lived ever, hulk is cool but he is NOT as recognizable to the average person as WW
@@sunflowergirl7041 That’s not an argument. Hulk is a pop culture icon and has been for about as long as Spider-Man.
Even Ant-Man had a trillogy and Wonder Woman not
Because Ant Man isn’t a misandrist unlike Wonder Woman
@@NHTube1 Misandria? A Mulher Maravilha? Pare de usar drogas
@@NHTube1 cringe comment
@@NHTube1Who hurt you incel 🤡
@@PeachesandCream225 she is
Wonder Woman’s pillar spot got taken by Harley Quinn sadly. Harley Quinn is currently at number 3, while Wonder Woman got demoted to number 4.
Another Creator's Pet from Gotham.
Lowkey miss when the big 3 of marvel back in the day (spidey, hulk and wolverine) were seen with batman, superman and wonder woman as the pillars of comic heroes. Nowadays harley has more merch and fans than diana smh.
easier to relate to
Hulk has been done so dirty lately
@hopefulfriend4163 Even back in the day, ww was never huge in the 1990s and 2000s specifically.Tell me that ww was bigger in the 1990s than wolverine/x-men when she had no animated series or video games, while The X-Men were not only the hottest comic property in the industry, but also had 3 cartoons and multiple video games? or hulk who in that same time 2 movies and cartoon series had several video games? We have not been up there since the 1970s show ended. Within both the 1990s and 2000s spider-man, batman, superman, x-men and hulk were all bigger than ww. Now Ironman, cap and Thor also joined that group. ww not been a huge pillar for a while now .sidenote wolverine should been second and hulk third
I always thought it was FF, X-Men and Spider-Man with Hulk as the honorary 4th but that might be for the mid -late 90's and early 00's. Wolverines rise in popularity in the early 00's is probably due to Hugh Jackman and the comics overusing Wolverine (much like DC is overusing Batman now) during that aughts so much so that TVTropes called it the Wolverine Publicity.
@@jackvenus4024 actuallys wolverine been popular since 1990s and hulk was third ahead of ff hulk had a longer lasting tv series a movie first and more video games and merch than ff Wolverine has been marvel's second biggest seller since the 1990s
Honestly, I am just tired of Batman hogging the ball for DC representation. Like he's popular, but partly because they aren't giving any other side of the DC Universe much of any love in comparison. Wonder Woman would be a huge start because of DC's trinity ACTUALLY being those pillars, but what about the other Justice League members. Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter to name a couple more.
I also am tired of the push for DC animation being more 'adult' movies. They don't have to go away, but imagine more stylized DC cartoons that are family friendly with a decent animation budget similar to Avatar the Last Airbender, Teen Titans, The Batman 2003, etc
And their decisions just make no sense. You're telling me KITE MAN is getting his own show, but Nightwing can't even get a movie?
Welcome to the club friend😔 I have always enjoyed Batman, even as a kid in Nigeria. But even I got so sick of the oversaturation he has had at this point. That's partly why Superman is my favorite hero as he has thankfully not reached that level and still is simply heroic at his core. I don't understand why DC refuses to let other awesome characters have their development and exposure.
@@SabeNo-rh7mb Or proper representation in his own TV show.
@@thatHARVguy ............NIGHTWING HAS A TV SHOW?????
@@SabeNo-rh7mbI think they mean the live action titans tv show
My favorite thing about Wonder Woman is when she is utilized as this perfect midpoint between Batman and Superman. She can have weapons and gear, use martial arts and tactical thinking, but she is also a powerhouse. It's great to watch her play things on both ends.
The disrespect for Wonder Woman's character is frustrating no animation series No Wonder Woman 3 by James Gunn Wonder Woman deserve respect Superman and Batman being the first superhero woman and this is how she's treated.
The problem is exposure and incosistency. Every few years a new writer comes along trying to reinvent Wonder Woman, it's how we got Mod Wonder Woman and her retconned origins. As for exposure, ask the casual fan to name 5 Wonder Woman villains. They can probably name 5 Superman villains or 5 Iron Man villains, but I highly doubt most of them can name 5 Wonder Woman villains.
Here would be the five I would expect from casuals presuming they've probably seen Super Friends and JL/U.
Even if they cannot name most, most of them should be able to name Cheetah, Giganta, Circe, Ares and Dr. Cyber.
@@Superlad9494
I'm sorry to disappoint you. But I only understood half of your list.
And I only know about the giant woman because I saw her in a TV show once.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 that was the unmentioned one because everyone knows about Lynda Carter. Baroness was also in that one as the main villain for the first season...as for Giganta...she appeared there under her golden age name of Gargantua...because s1 was set in the golden age.
@@thereseemstobeenanerror1219 That's my point. The constant reinventions and lack of exposure means most people don't even recognize most if her supporting cast and rogues gallery. The supporting cast is just as important when it comes to making an iconic hero, just look at Spiderman, Batman and Superman's supporting casts and rogues galleries.
WW villians tend to be lack luster.
Gal Gadot can't act. Also, it would be nice to get a WW who is actually tall and muscular like what you think an AMAZON is.
Right like 6 feet, thick, muscular with an actual stature ( kinda like Jane cargill )
Linda carter TV wonder woman is 5'10"" and a half inch tall. She's also 38 c cup, stats 38/26/36. Very beautiful!
@@makedate9338bro 💀💀
Dude...are you saying Gal is short?
@@KaiHouston-m6j It would be cool to get a WW who's taller than Superman.
Wonder Woman annoys me. Is she Superman strong or more like Spider Man strong? Is she invulnerable or not and if so, why the bracelets? Can she fly or not? If so, what's with the goofy jet? Is she born of clay or is she Zues' or Hades' bastard? She's been around for like 100 years and they still haven't settled on a through line for this character.
this is why consistent lore matters
Well at least when the prospect of Hades was brought up...Earth-508 didn't go out of it's way to claim the sculpting was just a stork story like the Nu52 claims it was. Hades said he helped Hippolyta sculpt her, but then again...even Diana thought Hades was lieing without the lasso...which he most likely was.
Yeah. That is the reason why Wonder Woman is very hard to adapt. There is no consistency in her mythos and her origins keep changing. Not to mention most of her comic stories dont sell as well nowadays.
You have just hit the nail in the head
To be fair, A LOT of superheroes have inconsistencies when it comes to their origins and powers
“Then, I WILL DESTROY YOU!!!” is truly one of the lines of all time
I've always hated Zeus being the father of WonderWoman. If anything Diana being the daughter of Ares would make more sense seeing as she is around Ares more and spends more time with him.
Exactly instead of her being another one of Zeus’s seed. With her being created from clay and blessed with powers by the gods made her origins unique and different. But with Diana they’re never consistent because they even had implied in the Justice league animated movie that Ares was her father after he admitted to having an affair with Hippolyta and they both sculpted her from clay together.
For me, as someone who doesn't really read DC comics but has seen a lot of the adaptions both live action and animated, I have a hard time even telling you what kind of person Diana is. I can tell you a lot about Clark and Bruce and what kind of people they are. I can tell you about bothe Barry and Wally, I can tell you about Hal and John, even Shayera, Dinah and Oliver, just from the adaptions I've seen.
Trying to describe Diana's character from what I've seen feels like that bit from the Plinkett Stat Wars review where he asks his friends to describe Qui-Gon Jinn, like "what's Wonder Woman like?" and I'm like "uh, she's... stoic?" because I genuinely have trouble thinking of character traits she has that aren't just the standard traits you expect if a superhero. Even in my beloved DCAU I feel like Wonder Woman is just a difficult character to get a grasp on. I feel like I know more about Shining Knight and Vigilante in the DCAU from that one episode than all the Wonder Woman appearances across the whole thing.
And don't get me wrong, I absolutely believe the people who tell me she's a great and iconic character, I just feel like I haven't seen that great and iconic version of her in any adaptions so far. I would love to see here eventually!
Honestly I think live action adaptations is what makes comic book characters iconic. One of the main reasons the DC trinity are so huge is because they all had successful tv shows back in the day before every character had a live action version. Those 3 got a head start over other characters. So with that logic, I think Iron Man and Wolverine probably have nearly caught up to them
I disagree. I think both Live Action & Animated Adaptations is what makes comic book characters iconic. Same goes to Video Games, and other types of books.
DC don't do allot with Wonder Woman because of the rights from the creator's family. The Marston family I believe they have more ties to Wonder Woman royalties and rights.
Because of that is why DC don't do allot with her.
WB and DC missed a huge opportunity on not expanding on Wonder Wonder after her first successful live action film. We could've gotten an animated series that she desperately needed because she had some good supporting characters, villains, and stories worth telling. Giving Wonder Woman an animated series would most likely help to get viewers to know more about Diana and her lore. Had the DCEU been handled better, Wonder Woman could've been the bridge that connects the Golden and Silver Age eras due to her being active with both the JSA and the JLA. I also do believe some of the DC writers and Hollywood filmmakers need to be more accurate to the Greek myth lore instead of putting their own nonsense into it.
For Wonder Woman, maybe they should just go back to the Marston approach to a degree...and show that Col. Steve Trevor is a beard...yes, Marston's Amazons were always Lesbians, and it was only known to him, his wife, his side-chick, artist H.G. Peters and co-writer Joy Hummel. Could even play into how in the 1940's that beards were required to avoid insults and arrest and that is exactly why Alan Scott, the first GL had two beards and he really gave the folks a fright by having a thing for villains...of course he did have kids before he could be open, and got into arguments over it with his son Obsidian, but those were settled because he hadn't sorted himself out yet.
I will never understand what Zack Synder’s fans see in him. You can listen to the guy talk in interviews and tell that he’s confused and doesn’t know what he’s talking about so how the hell do you expect him to make a good sensible movie?
His movies have interesting views on the characters and he makes unique characters out of them.
@@channel45853 maybe for some but the writing/stories on his movies has always been nonsensical
@@channel45853 all his good movies are adaptations where the characters are already done tbh
We live in the darkest timeline when the frisbee thrower from marvel is considered the 4th most iconic superhero more than Diana of Themyscira,when Quinn is getting more of a push than Diana and she was not considered iconic until the Gadot film. Shows how little DC understand or respect her impact.
iron man, and spiderman are also more popualr than her.
@@Drawing4Justice Spider-Man deserves but not Iron Man. I mean he is popular now let's see how his reputation in say 10 years. People still remember Spider-Man trilogy 20 years later. Not saying Iron Man is a flat out bad character but some characters just fade away.
@@ggt47Feel like Hulk should be in the Mt Rushmore of superheroes since he’s as iconic as Spider-Man.
@@ggt47 yeah, iron man popularity is more actually robert downey jr bc frankly, iron man in comics is so hateable, his only enjoyable version is mcu and it's bc his actor
@@blank68503mcu is unlikable clown lol
It's the same issue I have with Hawkman, Martian Manhunter and pre 2010 Aquaman. Each new writer seems to wanna reshape the world around them (ignoring alot of supporting characters and villains)
I feel like a lot of people underestimate or downplay Diana's importance within the Trinity and that friendship. She is so severely needed there. Like, yeah, Clark and Bruce are best friends, but so is Diana. They need her, and she loves them. She brings so much energy to that friendship. Without her, it's just two dudes who hang out, but she brings the love. The chemistry she has with them makes it truly feel like they all truly love each other like they've known each other their whole lives. She can bring them both down a peg, and also raise them up. Clark isn't exactly emotionally stunted, but Bruce definitely is or was, but even after that I feel many writers have Bruce almost be a little shy with speaking with Clark, just because he hasn't really had that many true friends his age, but Diana sort of just removes that. She makes both Clark and Bruce more open, just by being there, and being her. It's kinda tropey, but it's also kind of true to life, with the guys not really being comfortable being open about feelings to each other, but put a girl in the friend group, and we're cooking.
I've always said it was crazy how DC still hadn't thought people were ready for a Wonder Woman movie while Marvel was like "Here, we got Guardians of the Galaxy, we got Ant Man.... Is there someone more obscure you'd like to see a film adaptation of?"
That's been one of the problems with the MCU though. They oversaturated to the point it wasn't cool anymore.
Personally, the best depiction of Wonder Woman was in Batman: The Brave and the Bold. Where she was voiced by Linda Carter. It was so fun!
honestly you've given me a new outlook on the big 3 of Dc, i always liked the bruce and diana pairing but your honestly right, the 3 of them being friends above all else is where the gold mine of stories come from
Amazing vid. Wonder Woman is easily one of the most iconic and popular characters of all time and anyone who doesn’t see this is an idiot. She’s also been heavily underutilized by DC and WB. For someone who gets marketed as one of DC’s big three, she hardly has any content to her name and SIDE characters like Krypto and Kiteman are somehow getting content before her. It’s absolutely ridiculous. The New 52 is also a terrible take on the character. Thank god it was retconned but I hate it when people still try to bring it up and the DCEU greatly mishandled her as well with both the ideas for her and the casting choice. DC and WB need to realize already that Wonder Woman is in the Trinity and the Mount Rushmore of superheroes and deserves to be treated as such. And they need to do WAY better with her than they have in certain universes.
you and I share the same hate for the new 52, hate that wonder woman and the suit design.
Yeah, I don't understand it. Wonder Woman is one of the most important characters in DC Comics and even served as the third command of the Justice League. But still, she never had an animated series after Superman: TAS ended, so they chose Batman Beyond because of the popularity of Batman: TAS. And neither they made her solo movie until 2017. I heard it was some kind of embargo that was responsible for the negligence of Wonder Woman. What kind of embargo ? I don't know. But it does explain why Wonder Woman and her mythos were poorly executed in the Justice League cartoon. She never appeared or was mentioned in Smallville, Teen Titans (2003), and The Batman (2004). And she only appeared twice in Batman: The Brave and the Bold.
Smallville Season 11 comics have her appear in Olympian and they have the best way of how Steve and Diana meet in any universe. Berlanti also considered them canon to Earth-167 for the CW-Multiverse.
They did also acknowledge her by having Lois dress as "Warrior Angel" for a costume party and provided a punchline to Dana Delaney's joke since Wonder Embargo at the time.
A DCAU style Wonder Woman animated series or Green Lantern animated series would have been fire.
@@The-X-Territorythere is a terrific short Green Lantern animated series.
@@crhu319 that's not exactly canon to Earth-508 as far as we know.
Crazy how Batman alone has 30 solo animated movies
And wonder woman has like two
Her comics never sold well.
@@julez4002cool what about other dc heroes?? Dc sucks if they can’t sell anything other than batman
@@ismailmounsif1109 They sell Superman.....
@@truthspreader1996that is it?? bro marvel sells like at least more than 8 characters in the roster including their three teams (f4, xmen, and avengers) and also when was the last time we got a superman game??? Since forever
Batman is more interesting and popular than her
The problem with Wonder Wonan is she is always being over shadowed by Harley Quinn due her being more quirky and unpredictable .
Look how they massacred our girl...
4:11 the funny thing about that is that Wonder Woman was made ambassador for genuine reasons and the women themselves said ‘her breasts are pretty big and it sets an unrealistic standard for girls’ but they don’t realise that in this instance they were sexualising her. The irony
it was also cause y'know, they'd have liked an *actual person* to get the title and not a fictional character, and on top of that the criticism that she "caters to the male gaze" is pretty valid considering the circumstances of her creation and her publication history
Somehow Harley quinn gets more shine than her
Imagine, the villain gets more love. When Wonder Woman is too perfect they say she’s boring and when’s she’s a fighter they say she’s too much of a warrior and should be a pacifist.
Wonder Woman needs to adapted properly. Cut the whole MAN BAD syndrome they’ve been putting her on for years. It makes her straight up unlikable at times and that’s not who Wonder Woman is supposed to be. She stands up for women yes but she doesn’t have to beat guys down.
I get that realistically she may have some Bies due to her upbringing on theme Acura but it needs to be a character flaw that she actually work her way out of.
So should she not defend women from men?
You missed my point. Men aren’t some special kind of evil. Women are just as capable of it. Often times Wonder Women is portrayed in a way where she shows a clear Bies against men and very frequently calls out all men in general in general any time one does something bad or simply something she doesn’t like. The whole “you men are all the same” bullshit just makes her look shortsighted and sexist. On occasion it’s been so uncalled for that other woman even call her out for it and she just responds by scowling or something. Wonder Woman is better than that. That’s the writers making her look high and mighty for no reason. You don’t see other heroes showing that kind of Bies towards one or the other gender.
To be clear, I’m not a Wonder Woman hater, but I just find it incredibly cringe how writers have made misandriny apart of her personality.
@@darkspark5854 It may be a good insight into the writers if they are portraying bigotry as justfied or ok.
@@darkspark5854 this why the Kerri Russell 2009 animated film (based on the 1987 George Perez run) works so well. Diana's finding out the although Steve can use the lasso on her to call her shenanigans...he doesn't necessarily need to...and vice versa even though they aren't a couple there.
I agree Wonder woman SHOULD be on the mt rushmore...but the massive impact of the mcu cant just go ignored in how it elevated the legacies of characters. Movies and TV shows are HUGE reasons as to why every popular and iconic character reached their levels of popularity.
She is the all time best superhero that protects the good in humanity. Her only weakness us popularity out of comics and being part of a Myth in Sci-fi
I have to admit I'm one of those fans who tends to forget about wonderwoman, seeing though put the years. Outside of movies or justice league unlimited, I feel like Wonder Woman hardly gets any recognition. Times I feel like kinda get over shadowed by other female characters like Harley Quinn, supergirl, aye batgirl but idk.
Mostly when someone's asks me, I'm talking about female Hero's in dc. I tend to think about supergirl or Harley, but I easily forget Wonder Woman. So I feel like she really needs a cartoon for herself, and I hope that her new game will make people like me remember her more.
Maybe pick up comics and read her instead relying on other medias. the fact you think of Supergirl in this case is an absolute JOKE!
@@NJ-eo2oc Supergirl is a fair first thought though, at least she is heroic.
Remember, Supergirl was never Superman's sidekick despite the name...she was always her own deal, same with Barbara Gordon when she became Batgirl 2.0.
Wonder Woman can be thought of as iconic for being the first popular superheroine, but Supergirl has always been a little more widely known...and has also been the only one else who wears the S to get both a movie and a show...and be in cartoons and movies regularly...likewise on the Bat-side Babs is pretty much the embodiment of what a heroine can do these days.
Does Wonder Woman need a comic sales boost? Yes, but those boosts need external media to boost them....the Carter show did good for many years, so did Super Friends, JL/U gave *her* the Aquaman treatment unless Dwayne MacDuffie was writing. She really needs a new cartoon.
supergirl will always be popular because of the name same for batgirl, but i dont get why dc keeps trying to push harley quinn in our face, shes almost in everything with dc as a main or side character, dont get me wrong she can be a good character but its gets repetetive also why does she have more growth in the last decade than wonder woman? and the only time wonder woman is written good is when the JL get involved
I never though I'd hear a worse WW lore than the new52 one but Zack Snyder really said "bet"
Also, I don't think there's anything wrong with saying Iron Man or Captain America are the 4th most iconic hero at the very least in the modern era of comics. I never understood the argument people make about their pre-MCU popularity and how that is somehow an indictment on them as far as their popularity goes(its also not true in the case of Cap). The superhero genre is portrayed how it is in present day bc of Iron Man. Much of that is down to how big he became with the success of the MCU. If you were to add up the funds, I wouldn't be surprised if it came out to more than what Wonder woman has generated in modern times.
It's very true. Iron Man just is a more iconic and popular superhero in todays era over Wonder Woman. It didn't used to be like that, but when one characters kills it repeatedly year after year on the big screen, and the other gets nothing for years until a decent entry finally comes along then proceeds to shit the bed on its followup and all other appearances of the character; the status quo isn't going to stay the same.
Captain America has always been looked at in such a goofy light, yet the MCU dragged him kicking and screaming into such a household name. People love Cap now, my cinema was screaming when he picked up Mjolnir in Endgame. It's just not correct these days to say Wonder Woman is above that. DC has honestly been doing such a shit job with its characters in the movie space. Green Lantern is the new old Cap, people aren't keen on Flash due to the prior CW soap opera fatigue and Ezra Miller, Dwayne put the nail in the DCEU coffin with Black Adam. All they have anymore is Batman and Superman, who really just get by on their already established iconography despite whatever nonsense they put them through in their movies. Zack really was a terrible choice to manage these brands.
@@Raelyn Agreed on everything. And to be honest, I'd argue that the heights Iron Man has been able to transcend to are higher than the height of Wonder Woman's popularity. Peak MCU Iron Man was literally everywhere. His books were flying off shelves. I don't think Wonder Woman has ever had mass fan mania in the way Iron Man did at the height of the MCU. That comes with her being overshadowed by the other two members of the DC trinity. Iron Man made an appearance in a Spider Man movie and literally ALMOST outshined him. Can you believe that?
I think James Gunn will do something great with her in the upcoming DCU.
She's having a Prequel Show version Game Of Thrones version about her home island.
I once heard this hot take that Wonder Woman's father shouldn't be Zeus, but instead Ares. And I'm on board with that idea.
she shouldn’t have a father tbh
That Wonder Woman theme, as amazing as it is, truly was overused. They don't do that with any other superhero. Weird.
I can’t blame them tho. Warner bros and comics refuse to do anything interesting with her character for over a decade. The biggest Wonder Woman content we’ve gotten are her movies (which are shit), injustice (where she’s a psychopath), dc animated movies (where she’s barley developed or does anything) and justice league unlimited (where she’s nerfed and thirsty for Batman).
Doesn’t help that Harley Quinn, Catwoman, raven, any main girl form young justice overshadow Wonder Woman in content. I’d be pretty pissed if I was a Wonder Woman Stan.
I think if the Wonder Woman game is good, she'll get an upsurge in popularity. Video games reach a huge market, and if the Wonder Woman game is as well liked as something like Arham Asylum, then it could give Wonder Woman a place in the market.
You know it’s a good video when shade is thrown at Talia Al Ghoul 🙏
I was born in 1971. When I was a kid there were 3 seasons of the Wonder Woman show and Wonder Woman was on Superfriends until I was a teenager in 1986. Then I had to wait 15 years until Justice League in 2001 for another Wonder Woman appearance. And this was back when you had to be home on Friday night at 8:00 to watch Wonder Woman or you missed it until it was rerun.
How she doesn’t have her own series is baffling like how does Harley get a series before WW.
She got her own tv show next to batman and superman way back then which is how she got to be on the top 3 for so long. Linda Carter tv show
I love how people hate complaining about Wonder Woman's superhero-suit, her waistline being too thing or her breasts being too big. "It's setting unhealthy standards for woman and is a sexual object for the male writers." Like, nearly every male hero is buff af. The suits are tight and some guys wear revealing things.
I only need to say one word:
Nightwing
I'd really love to see a WW show from the same people doing My adventures with Superman.
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID!!!
Wonder Woman deserves more than the scraps she has been given...
The jet being invisible goes along with the theme of her Island being hidden.
Couldn't agree more! What's sad is the reality that people question if she's worthy of being the fourth character of the most iconic comic book superheroes isn't their fault. It's DC, WB and WBD’s fault! Even back in the George Perez days, they fought with him about promoting a crossover event headlining WW to celebrate her 50th anniversary because they didn't believe in her. It's sad that DC is probably the first to tout that she is one of the trinity but they will also be the first to not believe him her. Ultimately, WW isn’t as popular as DC touts her to be because DC doesn't believe it themselves.
I honestly think that Wonder Woman 1984 wasn't as bad as people made it out to be. I honestly liked it and did more respect to the character than Zack did in his Justice League film. I will admit that Wonder Woman definitely deserved her own animated series and needed more of her own movies, the way Superman and Batman tend to get. At least Wonder Woman had a great version in the DCAU.
Wonder Woman is a misandrist
I’m less annoyed with him saying that and more annoyed at the dudes going YEAH at the idea. The Snyder Cult, man 8:45
Can we get a WW with big blue eyes?
I don't think Paradise Lost will ever be produced given the precarious state WB is in these days,unless it was released as a cartoon. Maybe base it on the 3 part black label Wonder Woman Historia series.
I'm still mad that they gave harley quinn and kite man animated shows before wonder woman.
And better yet, if they do give her an animated series they would definitely add batman to season 2.
hq got an adult comedy which isn't really a compliment. Doing that to ww would be awful
Wonder Woman is definitely up there with the other demi god like characters: for example Superman, Thor, Hercules, and Shazam. My personal favorite versions of the Demi goddess is her post crisis, New 52, even the rebirth self. Superman/Wonder Woman is my favorite ship, btw still is, and a little fun fact here is that there was A time when someone came up with the idea of having Captain America leaving marvel comics being given to DC while Martian Manhunter was also gonna go to marvel.
I don’t know if this was just pure speculation or not but it would’ve been kind of interesting to see how the mighty super soldier team up with the Amazon princess if they were in the same universe. However that being said I do think that wonder woman has been treated unfairly when it comes to her own stories and even her own rogues gallery, now maybe that’s just my personal opinion but I think the way that they did the wonder woman TV series was, at the time, a fairly good adaptation of her pre-crisis self.
Watching that Zack Snyder clip makes me so happy he isn't in charge omg
It makes you wonder like damn we really are about to have a terrible DC Universe after this yet because nobody's going to take the care of the seriously they're going to be jokes and they're going to be happy go lucky like the current MCU and then people are going to be like we didn't want this crap but you didn't want nobody to be serious with the characters I don't know I kind of prefer the characters being a little bit more serious and actually being challenged and doing something different and remember this is a brand new universe isn't it funny how the MCUs allowed to change the characters up to be unrecognizable and we're okay with that but heaven forbid Zack Snyder try something different with the VCEU characters Oh my God that's terrible Why are we so restrictive when it comes to DC characters but we allow Marvel characters to give screwed over and changed makes you wonder huh because after he left all of the DCU movies flopped at the box office kind of funny how all the movies that he worked on were successful at the box office while the movies that he what didn't work on were flops
Godot ruin WW in my opinion.
I'll play Devil's Advocate and say that there's an ARGUMENT for Hulk being the 4th most iconic hero (Diana's not the only one with an iconic classic series) but anyone who knows anything about comics, even the most basic boi casual, knows its Wonder Woman
WW deserves and needs better adaptations, I have high hopes for her game (not only being her first, but it needs to be great for WB to realise more games of characters that are not Batman, are requested from fans).
On the side note, I think a animated series focusing on her throughout centuries before modern times, travelling the Earth, interacting with different people, cultures and learning with them and showing how she came to be the character that she is would be awesome. One of the reasons I think this would be cool, if she were to get different types of armor and weapons of places she lived during her journey, her armory is one minor detail that could be explored easily in an animated show.
*Personally believe they should go back to the Dr Marston approach to his character Wonder Woman.*
Her weakness is bondage?
@@abiodunsulaiman2297yes. We know Wonder Woman is a badass. How easy is it to tie her with her own lasso?
Orrrr we can just follow what Kelly Sue Deconnick did with the character? Wonder Women Historia is the best thing to ever be done to the character in decades
To me, personally, Willam Moulton Marston, George Perez, William Messner-Loebs, and John Byrne are the only writers who actually understand Wonder Woman.
@@brandonscott4808 Greg Rucka, Phil Jiminez and Gail Simone did well during the Post-Crisis/Old 52 era as well. Too bad we never really got a Donna Troy takes the mantle briefly series during that era, because Jiminez actually wanted to do that and the modernized logo on the classic suit with the beaked =W= was originally going to be Donna's but somehow got back to Diana because Circe and Hercules got mad that Diana really needed a vacation after "The Snap" and had strongly considered retiring because "The Snap" meant "Oh Snap, I broke the rules I defined all those years ago." and Jiminez had also been the one person at the time to actually untangle Ms. Crisis of Infinite Origins.
Very well said. It's really sad that Wonder Woman still does not have her own animated series. Her connection to Greek lore and growing up on an island of only women is a concept that should be explored more, not to mention the Bana-Mighdall's & Esquecida's (Brazilian Amazons). I truly hope the DCU can finally give Diana an adaptation that is true to her and most especially a great adaptation that can be talked about.
So it's controversial to say Flash is more popular/iconic than Wonder Woman?
Yes
Yes because it will never ever be true
apparently but you are not wrong
It shouldn't be, The Flash and Arrow got well acclaimed TV shows that got more attention than the comics and so, people care more about them than someone who didn't have that type of exposure.
Flash is a Million times more popular than her
As someone who truly believes that one of my favorite Dc ships ever will always be Wonderbat I also get very upset about seeing any story that features Wonder Woman as Superman’s girlfriend or romantic interest. Seriously it doesn’t work for me. It’s good for there to be different interpretations of her character for certain but there should also be more new adaptations that take the original character and her classic stories more seriously. I truly would love to see her get cartoon series and or a new movie. I also respect your opinion on what she should do in the future but for me my favorite Wonder Woman is definitely the animated movie! It actually makes more sense and develops its characters in better ways. As for how her origin should be explained, I think the zuess narrative is fine but I also agree that the clay method is a lot more intriguing and makes a much more interesting story. Your videos are so well done and very informative!
Wonder women lore is underrated, and her mythos has so much potential
They really should give her a physicall weakness like they did to Batman and Superman. That part is always bugged me. Not saying bring her old weakness back,but give her a good one that make sense with the character.
I agree with this! Maybe magic/magical weapons? Considering that Circe is one of her main villains I think this would make the most sense.
They need to put respect on Dianas name.
8:39 Every interview I've ever seen of Zack Snyder is like this. I've never heard him communicate a single coherent thought.
I have a serious question: what are some of the BEST Wonder Woman comic stories?
From the Post-Crisis era these are the best runs if you want specific Hippolyta, Diana and Donna-Centric stories.
George Perez run
John Byrne run
Greg Rucka
Phil Jiminez run
Gail Symone run
If you want an Artemis Grace centric story read the Loebs run.
Rebirth- Greg Rucka, Kelly Sue DeConnick.
Wonder Woman is top 3 in dc only behind Superman and Batman
Wonder woman's problem can generally be boiled down to 3:
1. Misandristic tones mixed with her feminism
2. Inconsistencies such as her origins, powers ,and lore
3. Too preachy. Although many other heroes are like this, many of her comics are the author placing their biased beliefs onto Diana's and it ruins her.
Wow, you're right. They really can't seem to settle on a definitive origin for her.
Ah yes, famously apolitical character, Wonder Woman
@@user-cj5tv2eq5g where in his comment did he say she is an apolitical character?💀💀
I completely agree regarding the origin. And your 100% correct about the dceu.
How would you handle adapting the invisible plane?
If you were kryptonian, why would she have to deflect bullets with her wrists? Were they trying to make her like Thor where they’re perceived as gods but there really aliens? Also, as much as I like the trinity, let’s give some love to other members like flash, or green lantern or green arrow or heck, even Hawkman like there are other members of the DC universe.
To give Hawkman attention you have to give Wonder Woman some more first...because eventually Hawkman and Wonder Woman become in-laws when their kids marry...and one of Hawkman's monikers is the initials "WW" for Winged Wonder.
This man is always spittin facts🗣🔥🔥
Fire vid bro but look into background music lmao
Nah, layer your own if you need that. 😅 BGM is something creators get wrong more than they get right, anecdotally.