THE KV-1C WAS ALMOST INVINCIBLE - Why does no one play this now?
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2025
- The KW 1 C 756 (r) in War Thunder used to be known simply as the KV-1C and it absolutely ruined battle rating 4.7! Eventually, once people stopped buying this tank, Gaijin moved it up to 5.0 and now I hardly ever see it.
Today, I played the KW-1C to figure out whether it's bad or people just assume it's not good anymore. Turns out... this thing is still just as awesome as it ever was! :)
Definitely one of the best tanks in the game still!
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it was just a joke man....
BECAUSE NOT EVERYONE CAN BUY IT.
What "ruined" that tank was that there were no other 5.0 tanks so you either had to tag along 4.7 lineup with it or 5.3. Now that there is VK 3002M ingame at 5.0 I see them way more than before.
Exactly. I started playing it regularly again as soon as the 5.0 panther got added.
Literally the best thing about the new pather is that i have backup to my evil kv1 now
And I always see the vk.3002 at 7.0 😂
why be scared of up tiering vehicles? i have used m10 in the same lineup as the 76 jumbo… as long as the gun is still effective it’s viable… sometimes i even bring m16 instead of m42 as i’m feeling out of touch with boffers lead
@@SEIGE381 The M10 is amazing at 5.7
When he said "Why can't I kill this guy?" I just pictured the entire enemy team screaming the same thing about him!
i was thinking more in the sense of like Tom from Tom and Jerry; the sense of "oh lawd, he commin!"
Me too 😂😂
At 4.7 it’s miserably OP. At 5.0 it isn’t as obscenely broke. But it’s still strong. Issue now is lack of lineup. At 5.3 it isn’t anything special.
I agree. Playing 3.7 USSR was awful against this thing. The turret and most of the front is impenetrable without going for weak spots and/or using APCR. The best shot was to side shot this thing at a relatively flat angle. Granted, I was not as skilled of a player when I used to play 3.7 but I was glad it got moved up so I would not longer have to fight it.
@God Does Not Exist Then explain why there are quite a few dogshit or situational premiums.
@@hunlepto2239 stuff like the panzerwerfer premium or independent will always remain shit but are there existing as just fun premiums.
Other stuff like the T-72 AV TURMS, XM-1 GM, XM-1 Chrysler and IS-6 are undertiered and the main money drawers to get people to grind with.
@@cqpp The XM-1's are sub-par compared to the 9.0-9.7 premiums around it, if you think that fucking thing is "undertiered" in its current state you need to look again. It has 0 armor, no smoke launchers (pretty fucking important), its speed really isnt special compared to everything around it, and it is stuck with a round from 8.7 that it is expected to use up to 10.3. M735 is shit. The XM-1 compared to things around it is not that great.
On the other hand the fucking TURMS, is most definitely undertiered, Gen 2 or 3 thermals (and on commander sight), covered in ERA that results in making things that SHOULD go through not go through because the engine clearly cant handle it, speed that is nearly just as good as everything else beyond a non-existent reverse gear, ammunition that LOL-pens MBTs at 10.0 and very easily takes care of things even higher than that, tons of smoke, an autoloader which means your reload is consistent and you dont have to worry about fires resetting it.
Out of what you provided the only things that are ACTUALLY undertiered are the TURMS and maybe the IS-6 if thats still even relevant. The turms is 10.0-10.3 material and gaijin knows it, it will never go where it belongs though, plus it has the 11.0-material BMP-2M to back it up easily.
Once the XM-1 gets M774 and the smoke launchers it has artificially not been given, then you can maybe start to consider it "undertiered"
with the VK3002 it's really nice. combine it with the ostwind and you got at least the base of a lineup at 5.0
That shot early on on the t34 85 was so impressive. Youve had longer shots, but the time between you spotting it to firing just shows how good you are at the game
Odd is a good player, but he also missed the spot on that same guy at 4:44. Really the most important thing to focus on in this game is spotting. Odd's no slouch, but sometimes his ability to find targets is hampered--really he should be playing ULQ. It's considered "dirty" in the community but there's no reason to play with high or movie settings when it just puts you at a disadvantage.
@@derkaiser9881 completely dirty to play on ULQ. If you do that and your PC a can handle better graphics you should be ashamed of yourself.
Most basic shot ever bro
It was even worse when it was so plastered in bushes you could never shoot at the weak spots, and always hit volumetric or heavily angled bits.
" Why does no one play this now?"
Are you kidding me, I see it almost every game at 5.0
Whenever I see this tank on the kill feed I turn my entire attention to it, if I'm in a plane I primarily focus on this and give it big big "hug you"
nobody played it before the VK was added, and the few people who did were a literal cancer than forced 4.3 and 4.7 players into a onesided uptier against other nations 5.0 meanwhile the stupid first spawn KW1Cs would die once and leave the match.
plus it aint that op as ppl make it up to be
@@yamatokurusaki5790 Is it better than tiger 1(5.3-5.7), I will take kv1c any day compared to tiger 1, so yes. Is it lower BR than tiger 1, yes. So it is op.
@@efethecaptain6 nah , it's not better , it may have abit better armor but that's about it other them it also begin abit smaller
@@yamatokurusaki5790 "a bit better" LOL
"I want 4.0's to have absolute zero change and I enjoy slaughtering a flank all by myself"
I have seen kv1c kill my entire teams and average player is not capable of killing it.
At this point it is OP still. It faces 4.0. 4.0 ffs.
My man ignored the gun mantlet ripped straight off of a Pz IV, It's 50mm thick, guarantees a cannon breech, and usually kills the entire turret crew
I'd also add that part of the reason it isn't played nearly as much is that the KwK40 75mm is not what it used to be, Shermans and T-34's have become a lot more bouncy since the penetration rework
Exactly, the tank is easy as hell to kill when you actually know how.
"We're doing fairly well, our teammates - not so great" as a German main this is so real
Got 11 kills the other day in a Jagdpanzer IV/70, still lost because the other two points were completely overwhelmed.
Playing Germany is awful.
As of the other german mains you recal as "teammates", this is also very real. Now I have improved from being completely garbage - to atleast slightly garbage. What I mean by that is I managed to get a 1.5KD in the Tiger E which is still not good but it's better than what I used to have (more deaths than kills 💀)
That’s not a typical Nazi main comment. Rather opposite. But it’s true for everyone who has to play on the axis side.
@@zachrich7359 It's like playing with the densest motherfuckers in the universe
@@alexey_chekhovich German
Honestly, I'm with you on his one Bawz, this tank is awesome, and now that you have the 5.0 panther proto, it makes it an even better line up. I often take this thing out with my 5.3 german tanks and it does very well.
Yeah, I completely agree. Even when I fight them, it's hard to get through that armor which shows me others are also having some hardships fighting me when I use it.
I've never enjoyed this thing at 5.3. I would much rather use a Panther or Tiger, and by the time I would be forced to spawn a KW1C my useless wehraboo teammates have already left. Why would I bother?
@@XSpamDragonX I relish those matches where everyone fights until the end. Too few and far between, unfortunately.
"An even better line up" implies there even WAS a lineup before the panther prototype. There wasn't. This thing hung out completely by its lonesome in a br by itself. That's why it wasn't used much. You either uptiered everything else for a premium vehicle or you uptiered this tank to 5.3 where you already have panthers and tigers. Sure it made a really strong backup for them but is buying a premium vehicle worth it for something you're going to be spawning as your 4th or 5th vehicle?
I love playing with this tank, always bring him along when playing 5,3
Up armored pz4 at 6.3 must be great
I remember a game way back before volumetric and team repair and a lot of other things. I took one of these out on Normandy and got 16 kills. Considering my average is something like one per game, that's saying a lot. There was a teammate who sat back in disbelief as I was swarmed and still killed them all one by one in a point blank brawl. I'm pretty sure it was a full down tier. I wish I had a video to share.
I remember having a down tier in this thing at 4.3 and I got swarmed by 3 shermans and a churchill, one was even a 76 sherman and they could not for the life of me penetrate my armor, I killed all the shermans and the churchill got bombed lmfao this thing was such a beast I dont regret buying it
Every time I play Germany 5.0 this tank will always go on my line up it’s a fun tank.
Why would you ever play 5.0 germany? You have so many better tanks at just a tiny br higher
@@ThelVadam7777 because I wanna play with this tank
@@illusiv8781 just play 5.3 and bring it along
@@ThelVadam7777 and I do but my 5.0 line up has more planes.
Don't you mean, every time you play germany 5.0 you HAVE to play this tank? There is no other 5.0 besides the new VK tank they added
I think the 5.0 change killed it for a lot of people not because it’s bad at 5.0 but more because literally the only other German tank at 5.0 is the VK30.02M which is brand new.
Other than that for the longest time you’d have to either up BR it in a lineup with 5.3 vehicles, or bring an entire lineup of 4.7 tanks with it that may start to struggle.
Its got the same armor as the tiger 1 which is under BRed.
@@robertharris6092 how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man.
@@robertharris6092 Okay but part of why the Tiger 1 is at that BR isnt her armor, its also the Gun.
The 75mm Pak 40 is good, but its not that good to be on par wiith the tanks the Panther and Tiger face.
OH GOD THE PTSD FLOWING IN BACK WHEN THIS WAS LIKE 3.7? Alongside R3 and finnish kv1 this machine made my mind broken back when i was starting 2 years ago. I also suffered through EBR times too ): those four vehicles gave my mind such a big scar. I was abused by them.
Are you selling local drugs or are you locally selling drugs?
fun fact, however much armour this thing has, you can kill this thing front on with the R3. just aim right of the gun and you'll go right through the gunners sight
Meanwhile KV-1B is still 4.3
@@XSpamDragonX Yeah the same br as KV1-E which is identical to it
@@EthanJail They are both busted, meanwhile Churchill VII is 4.7
I can confirm I haven’t showered in 23.4 years
The best thing thing to come out of the overpowered crafting event was the "make op" crafting memes. Server Hamster, Russian Bias and Germany Suffers were the favorites
I had hoped that Churchill was a Black Prince, that’d be a good video :)
Gaijin will put thier golden-goose back to 4.7 as soon as the eagles stop coming in.
I remember playing it at 4.7 and just kind of turning of my brain and clicking and getting a lot of kills.
Gaijin never knows what they're doing other than inbreeding more hamsters to power their servers, and asking for more money for content no one wanted or asked for.
dear OddBawZ
i just wanted to say (THANK YOU) for getting me in the mood to try this game. and i meantioned you in my videos as a shout out.... AGAIN THANK YOU......
thanks for the love
I used to play it braindead when i was grinding german tech tree
I believe nobody uses it anymore because it's simply outlived it's glory. At 4.7 it fought 3.7 to 5.7, not that big of a deal if you were uptiered because your armor can be trolly.
At 5.0 it faces 4.0 to 6.0, aka it can now see M-51s, Bulldogs, Cent Mk.1s, and M36B2s all that can easily kill it.
Not to mention it's basically always 5.0 due to 1/3 of the playerbase spamming panthers lol.
I’m playing German right now and this thing always gets used
@ 21:55, 'That's not how you play a Churchill'. Would you be able to show us HOW to play a Churchill? Cheers Odd! Love your videos, they're always entertaining.
All the times I see my brain dead teammates use this awesome tank and die because they refuse to angle makes me die inside.
Hello Odd, maybe this will be worth it for a future video: I have never seen the Russian Matilda (MK-II Matilda) with the 76mm gun in a video or in battle. It would be interesting to see how he performs in battle
It's not great, the br murders it. It can still be fun though. Against US and other guns that aren't super powerful it works the best. You can even even use the engine for extra armor like you could with is-2s and such. It's just too slow and faces really good guns at 3.3 and up and the 2 degrees of depression don't help either.
The Russian Matilda is a weird tank to play. It can either be absolutely terrible or completely stomp. In full downtiers its disgustingly good but in a 0.7-1.0 uptier it's not even worth spawning in since it takes forever to get to the battlefield and you'll likely just be oneshot at that br.
its not at all "you have to work for your armor"
its "it has no lineup, unless you're a youtuber who only ever takes one tank out anyway"
I hate this thing when playing 4.7 britain. But when I’m in my challenger or comet, they often don’t realize their p2w premium and bushes will save them from apds
When war thunder players sees this video there gonna start playing the kv1c just because of you performance.
i still play this KV and i love it .. and i also see some people playing it . I'm glad we got the new VK panther because now i have a good 5.0 lineup with these 2 tanks and the ostwind 2 , and some spare TDs' like the hetzer and jpz4
The problem is that basically no other nation has a 5.0 lineup so you get dragged into 5.3-6.0. I've noticed any vehicle with an X.0 BR is basically Gaijin devs saying "fuck you, eat these uptiers" because anything meta is X.3 or X.7, which is why the Vatniks are so salty about the IS-2 going to 6.0.
I was once up against that tank in a KV-85, couldn’t kill each other for 5 minutes. We either tracked each other or kept on peeking around a corner.
I got slapped to heck by this thing today. Dude got 15 kills
One of the nicest parts of the KW-1C is the reload. Armor's nice, mobility is fine, but that reload is so nice.
lol thanks to it being closer to Sherman’s that have long barrel and it cupola
OddBawZ proceeds to delete 5 or 6 tanks. Someone shoots OddBawZ tank from behind! "Ow! Why would you do that to me?", OddBawz exclaims!
Reason why i don't play this tank, it does not challenge me to become a better player. I still play it from time to time to have silly fun.
A great tank. A good switch your brain of vehicle. I also get a good kick out of destroying them but the game was flooded with them for so long. Nice manageable amount now it seems. Thanks for the vid Odd!
A lot of people might hate me for saying this, but having played both tanks I really see no reason for the KW-1C to be 5.0 when the KV-220 sits at 5.7. The armor profiles are very similar, and the KW-1C gets a wider selection of shells, to include APCR. I get that APCR isn’t everything, but every now and then it makes a difference. Plus the KW-1C has a slightly faster reload.
i think the main reason so few people play or own it now is that there are just so many premiums that only a few players choose to buy it
It's not fun because it lost all its benefits from being bumped up to seeing 6.0 90% of the time.
I personally stopped playing it because now that it's actually balanced, it's not my SL grinder anymore, those 250K-300K lions per day, went down to a more reasonable 100K-200K per day, and for 200K, I can just play the F2G in air RB
I still see so many of these. There is at least 2 each game and I hate it
I have been grinding out Germany with this thing and I have realized from 4.7 to 5.0 makes a difference but not by much (in my opinion)
May I suggest a combo video? The Russian Matilda with the T-34 gun and the Hurricane MkIIB with Russian 20mm shVAK’s
I love weird hybrid vehicles like that where they are armed with mixed weapons from two different nations. Always fun to play them
He can't play Russian tanks right now it will get demonetized cause UA-cam hates everything Russian
@@ImAFatCheezIt uhhh stop the cap
does the Valentine Mk.11 (RU) not have a different gun?
me in a T-14 “I’m about to end this man’s career”
Odd takes Archer to 11.0 gets 5 kills "yep OP"
This thing was such a menace and still is when it gets it's BR.
Pro tip for people facing it: shoot the gun mantlet, it's only 50mm thick.
The SU-85 that tagged you is a king! I’m honestly impressed with him
My main reason for dropping the kv1c and t14 are because the amount of uptiers i get with them, like bruh I can't get one game where they're atleadt at thier own br
That t-33-85 fight in the first round felt like I do when fighting one of them them every time in anything Japanese lol
Really love watching your videos brother . Thank you very much for all the fun.
Was thinking of playing this thing out soon, but looks like I'll have to wait another six months now that he's unleashed the horde with this video.
When the IS-2 was 5.7, it was rough playing it. Now? the gravy train is back!
"RIP BOZO" I saw dat odd 😆
plz play the A6M5 Hei with its 15kg rockets
justy remember: if it's stupid and it works it's not stupid LOL
People still run it all the time, I've fought coordinated level 100 squads all using it
Glad to hear there is more spookston,oddbawz content.
That KV-2 was rendered, it was to the right of the house behind the tree. you can clearly see his turret @13:29 in the video.
Committing war crimes with this in Sim Battles is still awesome.
Paint it green-ish, rush past a cap, and turn to face your own spawn. From the back it's almost indistinguishable from a soviet.
Yesterday or two days ago was like: "Yee we fix the stutter and Fps drops bug and everything is ok" and first match started with massive Fps drop and throughout match there was too much stutters. E-Sport Ready as hell
That guy was the one I got through my 90% off voucher.. didn't even have to pay a cent! It's pretty good too..
I love to see an overpowered tank get uptiered onto oblivion. Its glorious.
Omg I was not expecting the woody edit was so perfect I’m dead aww thank you Odd.😂❤️
Salinium ammo, don't even joke about that. 1 mil pen and no ammo explosions when hit is a fear I live with gaijin every day. The chance that they'll do it is low, but never zero.
Odd I am going to be real with you I have the tank and the whole reason I didn't play it is because unironically I completely forgot I owned it.
When i used to play the Churchill III, i dreaded facing this thing and would run away unless i had a side shot or engine shot. I did not want to brawl with that thing.
played this tank a few weeks back when we had all that server trouble and i kept getting crew locked in the u/s tree, so took this out it was fun
Love it Oddz. These are the games I love to see. I wish I still played.
The reason i never use this is because Germany doesn't have a proper 5.0 lineup, if they did i would probably play it every now and then
This is the only premium tank I have, and I am sooo glad I spent the money on it
I've been playing it again since it has a little lineup with the proto Panther.
You need to try out the Crusader III and Cromwell I, they're 3.0~ vehicles that perform at 5.0+; they're basically Pumas/Locusts on steroids. They can penetrate a Tiger 1 frontally, or a Tiger 2s turret, can redden most barrels with a single shot up to 8.0~, and are shoulder stabilised.
Leopards 1s at 7.3 are incredibly easy to kill with it too, as their turrets are penetrable with the 6pdr whilst if they angle even slightly they can be penned from the hull. To deal with M48s, destroy their barrel and tracks -- then aim for the neck as you can penetrate her frontally there. A ton of other vehicles you can easily flank and hit from the sides. They're also immune to .50 cal, whilst the Cromwell is protected against some SPAAs and IFV guns.
With some aim, you can frequently one shot IFVs and SPAAs; they're also incredibly fast and incredibly small, which you can use with excellent effect for flanking or ambushes. Because of your speed and size, you tend to encounter a lot of Leopards, IFVs, and other lightly armoured vehicles -- in other words, easy pickings and big targets.
you can make almost any vehicle in game look OP (land and air)
One of my best SL grinder. I love this Tank.
Best investment in WT I had 2 years ago. Crushed so many tanks and earned ton of XP and SL.
T 34 57 was a Dita decal player
It’s fine now that it has a lineup. Seeing 6.3 in this was a bit painful though.
Take out the barrel then tracks. Never found it to be a problem
It was mostly a line up issue, moving this to 5.0 made it that way. Hell I used to use a panther D with this just to see how it would do at that BR and I would still have solid games.
you skipped the gun mantlet weak spot that takes out the gunner and comander
You should play the T14 next. It's in the exact same curiosity boat.
T14 armour is at least somewhat effective in a full downtier, and US doesn't exactly have any other competition for heavy tanks at that BR. KW1C is just worse than the Tiger at 5.3, and is literally the reason Gaijin added the VK at 5.0, because nobody wanted this premium anymore.
This 5.0 lineup is money, especially with the ProtoPanther.
Yea you have to get a lucky shot on that thing to kill it without the good ol barrel shot with the m6.
0:23 Ouch! Sound level change
I am going to buy this during the October sale. I just started playing the VK 30.02m and really like it. Much more than the Panther. This will be a great lineup.
These things used to drive around the battlefield going 10-0 in kills by simply pressing W. Truly a braindead tank, just like the german KV-1E is.
This tank is why my american lineup always has smoke shells. Track it and swamp it in smoke was the only reliable way to combat it because at least you get time to manuver. Also a very underrated feature of this tank is its pretty amazing reload speed.
Weirdly I've never experienced someone immobilising and smoking me.
This thing is a menace in ground sim, and sees regular play there as it has since the tank was introduced.
Damn I guess some people don't know where to aim to kill this thing and just expect to YOLO around in head on confrontations with a HEAVY TANK. If you can't easily deal with a heavy frontally in a medium, than the tank is doing its job as a heavy.
I stopped playing it because you can’t build a very good German lineup at 5.0. But since they added the VK3002 I’ve been playing it a lot more.
imo they added the VK to stop the few people who still played this thing from just dying once and leaving every game. the winrate of germany in 4.0-5.0 matches specifically was disturbing
honestly glad to not see this around. shit would bounce a t34-57 50m away on the side of the turret where it is almost flat. pretty much the B1 ter of 5.0
Man! This thing is awesome especially now at 5.0 with the vk it absolutely can shrek!
easily answered, no 5.0 lineup. Many ppl don't like using casemates, so you either bring 3.3/3.7 tanks with it, or you use it as a third or fourth spawn in 5.3.
I didn't mind it getting bumped up in BR but Germany's line ups are around 4.7 and 5.3, leaving this thing in a weird deadzone.
This tank was a beast. Back when we had a proper simulation mode, I had to put crosses all over him to not get constantly teamkilled.
you got shot by the kv2 at 13:28 you can JUST see his turret peeking out a little to the right