I love Yoshimitsu but something is off about him in T8 that doesn't make him enjoyable for me. I used to always enjoy clips or tournament plays with him but now it's not nearly as interesting. And also seeing how many toxic so called Yoshimitsu players just picked him in T8 hurts so I'm really waiting for chunky nerfs for him to pick him again. Funny addition about Flash or Soul Stealer I think it was the best in Tekken 4 when it actually was true to its name. Imo it's way more interesting to actually steal moves from other characters and implement them in Yoshimitsu combos rather than stealing rounds.
It made me realize, as someone who first was really in the smash scene, that the downplaying and dumb takes are present even in a community that considers itself a legitimate fighting game, and its strange seeing
Actual broken character being downplayed, while trash char like DJ actually getting up-played by some people saying "git gud" bcs hes "not that bad" and people just need to practice
Casual players are needed for fighting games to survive financially but god do they ever give us constant garbage takes. Thank lord the tekken team can piece out which is constructive criticism and which is bad players whining.
@@zachm1007 No it's very much the same in T8. He just has more 50/50 scenarios he can put you in. Compared to a lot of other characters his offense is actually pretty slow. He blows you up for hesitating and letting him run offense.
@@EpsilonKnight2 Then you try to take back your turn by not hesitating too much. Here comes flash or spin. It’s so exhausting playing against that character and being mindful of those. All while having massive damage on top of that. You can’t just have all of those and not expect pp to think he’s broken.
@@EpsilonKnight2 you just contradicted yourself, If he has more 50/50 scenarios then you can not learn the match up as easily as it becomes a coin toss.
I believe other than the reasons mentioned there is one more thing that factors into Yoshi's popularity, especially in High level T8: Yoshi is the only character that has the defensive tools to consistently deal with the otherworldly offensive pressure that every Character possesses in this game. He can severely punish people who are playing predictably. It's T8's biggest problem imo opinion. And Yoshi negates that.
That's the actual problem. The game rewards aggression not defense, unless you're playing one of the defensive characters. There's basically only 4, and Yoshimitsu forces everyone to slow down or mix timing including other Yoshimitsu players. Most of the other stuff people hate is very good and mostly same as it was last game, adjusted for t8 or even nerfed.
@@Rhekoni mean u said it man, slow down and learn to play neutral. Im in GoD rank and many people i see especially in purple and blue they dont learn to play neutral just keep rushing, and yoshi is ez counter for it
So I am a Yoshi/DvJ main... have mained Yoshi since tekken 7s release. I will not downplay how good Yoshi is now but I want to offer one tidbit of info that will tremendously help you against him. Get good at sidestepping. If you are a bear... well sorry. Almost all of Yoshis moveset have awful tracking as well as their follow ups in the strings. I know sidestepping is scary to learn especially in ranked and very tough/annoying to lab. But if you have anyone that plays Yoshi decently, play them in some friendlies and experiment. You may be surprised how much you can limit his moveset with movement. Again to any angrybois, i am ij no way trying to imply he isnt strong af, just offering 1 major weakness he actually does have. On top of earning you big punishes when you sidestep him, you will also get in the Yoshis head once they realize "omg i cant flow chart this guy anymore bc he wont stop sidestepping!" A lot of yoshis are already overloaded thinking about all their options for a situation and when you erase 80% of his neutral tools they will likely be mentally "stunlocked" wondering what they can even do about it. This is something that hit me hard after getting to around tekken king when i started facing people with solid movement. Extra info: in general, randonly sidestepping characters or flowcharting sidesteps will get you caught too much and you will lose matches, but against Yoshi... agaij you may be surprised how effective yolostepping is.
@@murriellearenas4663not everyone is blessed with fast homing moves, yoshis are all pretty slow only thing he has that tracks and is not too slow is his cd2 which is -13
Having the Soul Calibur team work on Tekken Yoshi has paid off. From SC4 onwards the (Japanese) voice actor performance has been stellar. Now I feel that Tekken has caught up. This is the best Yoshi has been stylistically & competitively in Tekken, & I love that some of his Soul Calibur 6 moveset has crossed over too.
Reasons why yoshi in this game is broken 1. Flash: yoshi is the only character in the game who can completely change your fifty/fifty mixup potential (A game where almost all the characters are stance fifty/fifty casino playstyle based). When i play against a yoshi (i play bryan btw) and i land a heat engager i can't take my free fifty/fifty instead i will need to wait and bait out the flash on a timing mixup instead. 2. Spinny sidestep: his spinny sidestep that he can do by pressing either b3 or b4 is unbelievable amounts of broken. This allows him to side step even some of the homing moves in the game.(A game where sidestepping is buffed and yoshi is the only character that can completely side step your mixups and whiff punish you for it instantly). 3. Mixup, range and oki potential: ok just the two reasons given above does not make yoshi broken but add those two reasons and give yoshi his own stupid mix ups and congrats you have a disaster. Yoshi has unblockable mixups, stance mixups, mid oki guard break, mix up in his strings that give more mixups after a stance transition(i.e if you guess right by the way), hit confirmable heat engagers, mid crushing stance(talking about flea stance), an unblockable high that is really hard to punish if you duck it(talking about his bad breath), he can heal himself which forces you to rush into him and not give him space, he has unbelievable range because of his sword, can waste time by literally flying into the air and if you try and catch him landing then beware because he comes while using a unblockable sword hit, really good pick up potential with d22( his sword low pick up i mean), a jumping low which he can cancel and so much more that if i tried to type it out it will be hours and this comment is already long enough
1. If you're getting flashed at +17, you're being far too greedy with what you're trying to follow up with. In fact, I'm curious, what exactly is your go-to '50/50' after a heat engager with Bryan? 2. Evasive spin does not evade homing moves. Period. If the homing move in question did whiff while he was doing it, then it wasn't in range in the first place. This has been the case since homing moves were first introduced in T6. Constructive criticism: don't preface your argument with barefaced falsehoods.
@@strykah92 alright here we go 1. I am using qcb1,qcb3 and qcb4 for the mix ups(for context qcb1 which I use the most comes at 13 frames) that +17 when you land a heat engager is not +17 the running animation takes up some of the frames from that +17 that's why qcb1 which comes at 13 frames can get flashed and sometimes if i delay the move ever so slightly then even my neutral 4 which comes out 12 frames can get flashed at that +17. 2. The evasive spin move has infact made my homing moves whiff on multiple occasions even when I am right next to the Yoshi and it's not just me many youtubers I have seen have complained about the spinning move making the homing move whiff if the Yoshi holds the spin move for long. (Moves in question that are whiffing are bryan's 1+2,df4, jin's 4, hell i was playing heihachi literally today against my friend who plays Yoshi and he literally made heihachi's b3 whiff with the a really small spinny move and whiff punished me immediately. So i don't know whose homing moves have been hitting your Yoshi but you are clearly doing something wrong there with either the timing or just straight up direction of the spinning move. Now take this constructive criticism that i have shown with my experience and respect it before you start thinking about saying stuff like barefaced falsehoods in my criticism
@@strykah92as a yoshi player, I would call the evasive spin “broken” but not necessarily in that it’s op (tho it IS incredibly strong), but it’s “broken” in that it really flips the thinking around it. It’s considered an attack, not a sidestep, so certain homing moves won’t actually home in on it because the game doesn’t think you’re sidestepping. While certain moves that don’t typically home as well might home even better against sidespin.
@@renfujiara9696 heat engagers are true +17, the running animation lets you buffer everything including slides crouch dash and running moves. get back in the lab
I’m a yoshi main, only started playing in tekken 8. it was due to his reputation of being ‘troll’ character. he’s difficult to learn the reason why he seems broken is because some of experienced players and pros really lab around him, they practice combo, moveset, and even often found new combos and mix-ups every month. since yoshi had diverse moveset, every yoshi you match against probably had different moveset. for example: there’s a yoshi that likes to do taijutsu (no sword stance), he often jumps and flash. then there’s the barrage yoshi, this player just burst you with neutral moves and complicated mix-ups. eyemusician, the profesionals like to do backturnt and sidestep, then tries to get an opening. this uncertainty on yoshi matchup makes people think he’s broken. his low unbreakable requires him to crouch first then hold df, it’s as predictable as king’s mega grab. even if it connects, you can only do a mini combo with it not a full one. his spinning sword attack also prone to misinputs. most of his unblockable are not comboable, only the low sword sweep and KIN 1,hold 2.
yoshi was the first character i picked up in t8 exactly as you said because his design was so incredible and i also love sword characters from other fighting games. he has been my main since then because he is just so fun to play as and has so many options . i always dread the yoshi mirror match in ranked because you never know what the other yoshi will be doing and who out-yoshi who. amazing character
It’s really true,hard to find another yoshi plays like your last opponent who played yoshi,or if you play him,u can switch the styles between the rounds and make your opponent cluelessXD
Honestly I don’t really care about him being overpowered or anything. He’s funny sword guy that trolls his opponents, I just love anything and everything about him.
The unblockable low in particular is tricky. Its not just beginners and intermmediates eating that, even highlevel and pro players get hit. Dont worry, its not yur reaction time being bad/low block instincts just overwriting all the time The reason is because of its speed in relation to how fast you can avoid it. You can react to Yoshi doing the move from crouch, but if yur reacting to the move itself, you WILL get hit. The common way to defend against it is low crushing, the issue is that low crush is usually at the 8th frame from doing a hopkick and stuff, so if yur reacting to the purple spark, its basically a 19f low. TLDR, its a move you react to with Yoshi going into crouch rather than the spark, which is why Yoshi has the chance to do a 50/50 here, because reacting to the purple spakr itself will be difficult
Yoshi can do sword sweep basically instantly with a shortcut and also do it invisibly after a df3 since it leaves him in crouch state which makes reacting even harder. The proper counter is a backdash a lot of the time since the range is really short.
@@KyeCreates Obviously you're supposed to use a low crushing hopkick or something of that nature too. You're right though that if you're getting set up at the wall that won't work.
@@EpsilonKnight2Df3 is actually one of the things you'd react to, eventually people start recognizing which moves put him into crouch and it makes the unblockable far more telegraphed as well as just crouching normally. There is another way to disguise it though that most people don't know about, you basically duck then do a qcb1 motion during your ws animation and you can get a sweep from that
Yoshi main since T4. I fell in love with this character first time i saw his visual design. I immediately thought that he's the most badass game character I've ever seen. That's why i started maining him. All of these years OG Yoshi mains were just enjoying the character they play and nothing more. And now when Yoshi became stronger - (FIRST TIME in 30 years) whole Tekken community now just destroying us with endless hate. People just forgot about tons of nerfs on the release when Yoshi's sword stance flash and his health recovery were nerfed. Why no one called him S tier before that? What happened now? Yes Yoshi is strong, and i really think he needs some damage nerfs, but also i think that people overcomplaining too much.
I feel like a lot of newer folks simply don't know the matchup. They approach him like a regular Tekken character and that's not how you approach Yoshimitsu. Experienced players know exactly how to shut him down.
Fuck off, unblockable low launcher, insane damage, healing, idiotic evasion, steel peddle, flash, You’re not playing Tekken, brain dead 50/50s, that’s why your character is hated.
Solid video, very good stuff 👌 As a yoshi enjoyer for 19years,I'll say that the biggest strength of Yoshi is how fun he is. His playstyle has always been charismatic in a way, forever extremely joyous and addictive. Whether he's doodoo, mid or strong, he's always a bliss to play as and against. There hasn't been a Tekken game where he wasn't my most used char, and probably never will. Buffed or nerfed, he'll always be top tier in my eyes, whether it's Tekken5 or TekkenTag5. There were a handful chars I did not enjoy in T6, in Tag2, in T7 or T8, and usually different in each game, but Yoshi has consistently been fun as af.
He was stupid broken good in Tekken 3. Even T8 Yoshimitsu has nothing on his T3 iteration. It's misleading to label Flash as a parry, it's a regular move with a (tiny) hitbox. Something else which needs mentioning is that in T8 he only regains grey health in Indian and Meditation stances as opposed to regular health, meaning you have less incentive to chase him, which is what he wants. He's still Yoshimitsu, but they buffed his damage and reduced his ability to heal, essentially changing how the character works.
I am a loyal Yoshi main since tekken 3. but I really hope they nerf him to ground so atleast we can keep playing yoshi in peace, cuz it's not fuckin fun to hear people bitch about him all the time
Nice to know you want to abuse people online while also expecting them to keep quiet about the abuse. Yes it would be AMAZING for him to get nerfed to the ground so all you yoshi clowns who keep downplaying him start crying about how "unfair" it is now. Kick rock
@@AliHassan-ki2fq it's way too much man. They keep whinning about everything. It was so fun in tekken 7 when nobody was mad about Yoshi cuz he didn't had damage. Most of his moves they bitch about now already existed in tekken 7 but nobody cared enough to complain then but god forbid yoshi gets some love in this game and deals some real damage Now everyone is loosing their shit.
@@Kingkaindal because they are bots. Yoshi is legit one of the hardest characters to play. Half these people crying play the scrubbiest characters. I dont pay any attention. They will cry no matter what. They just want everyone else nerfed except their main.
I think he’s popular because he’s cool asf and i would pick him too as a first timer, and of course after the pros said he’s busted, people who want to play strong characters started picking him
I think the worst part is that even if you are on the offense yoshi still has flash so the thought of him using it mid string makes you doubt your own offense
He is somehow annoying but loved and I think it's because he is so fun to watch. Everyone loves seeing Yoshi troll others but when you're being trolled it's painful. Such is life I guess.
just nerf his damage, make guard break 13 frames instead of 14, and also remove his counterhit launcher on 1,1. then you fix a lot of his issues. If people keep complaining about it then you would have sucked against t7 yoshi anyways.
@@SoulStealer_499 no its not perfect, being able to get a heat engager from it+ combo is broken. He doesn't need a knockdown either, a simple Df1, 4 is good enough, and if they are too far away df4.
@@KobePlaysGacha a simple df1,4 makes no meaning for all the effort u put into the guard break setup Also most players can easily avoid the guard break in high rank
@@KobePlaysGacha easy to do the move Hard to make it work Doing a guard break to get a simple df1,4 is lame Your idea is not really balancing the game either
He’s not broken at all, people just don’t want to lab the matchup. He’s the easiest win you can get in tekken 8 if you actually know how to face him. He has alot of highs in between 2nd hits of strings, has to take massive risks. extremely unsafe gambles and just learn to bait flash. I have a 75% win rate against him so I honestly don’t understand why people think he’s broken when he’s not even winning major tournaments
(I think) every character can do some variation of this against the wall. Back, Up/back back - Although I think some characters attack as part of it, rather than just hop over them (like king for example). Edit: unless you meant the back handspring, then I think that’s almost a female exclusive move.
Back, up back for the backflip. All characters have a wall specific ability by pressing back, back, up back. Yoshimitsu’s wall move is one of the better ones because it can reposition him with the opponent towards the wall. Besides Yoshi, I know that Lei had the same ability in the previous game.
The one thing i want to mention, and i hope that it won't be seen as downplaying, is that his combos need a bit of work and optimisation. Sure he has high damage, but in order to utilise his full potential, you have to learn every damn combo route and there are plenty of them, depending on :what stance you have (sword or no sword), in what stage are you playing (how far do you need to extend your wall carry), are there any wall or floor breaks, which combo ender won't whiff near the wall, are you going to go in with heat dash, etc. He has many different optimal combo routes and as a Yoshi main myself ( currently Raijin), i still find it difficult sometimes to pick the right route and that often costs matches.His easy combos wont go higher that 65-75 dmg, while other characters have higher combo damage,with less routes, easier execution and more input windows.Overall , it's sad that the community cries about him , considering that this character receives the love and the spotlight he deserves. He didn't have that for many years and that's unfair.
Saying you have to know the routes to get damage with a char that has 4 stances is a down play.... in fighting games they make some chars harder (doesn't always end up that way) because some people like playing chars that are hard and just because they are hard doesn't mean they should be broken (not saying yoshi "broken" but he needs some taps for sure)
@@rongill1234 It's not downplaying...It states that the character has a level of difficulty. Because somewhere in the video there was a statement like "easy" or something.
Current Yoshi main (needed a new project for T8 since my two characters aren’t in it) TLDR; man was a rule breaker in the before times with bad normal tools. Now, he’s a rule breaker with insane standard tools and combo damage. F, dude. It’s too much.
I have always found it funny that people say Yoshi is broken in this game. He is definitely strong, however, most of his stuff is only "broken" because of how Tekken 8 is designed (despite the fact that he was never strong, is his first time lol). Flash was always "broken" in book, but very manageable in past games like Tekken 7 due to the pace of the game, but in this game, everything is just so overly fast/plus and aggressive that players in my Tekken Emperor matches are just constantly pressing attack buttons and getting flashed cuz they're used with the "plus frame hit after plus frame hit and it is still my turn to act" braindead way of playing Tekken 8. I have genuinely beaten players by just interfering with their non-ending plus frame "combos" with Flash. Tekken has an insane amount of characters, each having more than 100 moves or so, and Yoshi has about 180+ not counting secret moves. He is a complete gimmick character, designed for you to learn how to play against HIM, not Tekken, that's how it always has been. So Being irritated by a gimmick character having a game-changing gimmick is understandable, however, STILL calling those moves like spin evade, unlockables, or Flash broken is just coping. I've been playing Yoshi since T5, he was never a "good" character, just a fun one. Calling him overpowered now that he is strong and some players can't deal with having to stop aimlessly pressing buttons is a skill issue. Learn the matchup, or keep losing. Yoshi may be nerfed 100 times from now on, but in the end, you'll still get hit Flash because you were mashing, and eventually by double seppuku to lose the match.
@theftking then what is it? People said flash, got nerfed, they still cry about it. People said Spin Evade, getting nerfed, they will still cry about it cuz is still there, just more risk due to health damage. So what makes Yoshi OP in T8? Damage? Every character does damage. Unblockable? It's always been there, that's a matchup issue.
@@Nick-ug6is The issue is the combination of everything combined with unblockable setups and the damage. If they want setups and mixups, the damage has to go. Xiaoyu lost most of her oki setups so they added more combo damage. yoshi got more added to his mixups and stances, but they added even more damage and thats where the problem is.
@KyeCreates the issue is that Tekken 8 rewards aggressive playstyle way too heavily. As a fighting player you should've NEVER be rewarded THAT much with literally just inputing plus frame attacks or mashing. So when a character like Yoshi (who always had everything you're saying, every combination in every other game) exists, he changes the gamestyle. Suddenly you can't just mash buttons and plus frame to victory. That's not being broken or OP, that's just being defensive/gimmicky over aggressive. Yoshi is not broken, T8 is just fundamentally too aggressive and players can't deal with a character like Yoshi. Again, is a matchup issue.
@@Nick-ug6is I am a long time Tekken player, and I play pretty slowly against yoshimitsu. The issue is that one mess up in t8 is enough to leave you close to death, on top of the fact that he has a unb mid now that can launch so playing slower is not as easy as you think, especially at Tekken emperor where you don't see him as much but when you do, there's a huge chance they know how to cover up the small weaknesses of Yoshi making it even more complex than needed. Hence why Xiaoyus weak damage concept should be applied because of the mental stack you can do.
i really wanted to pick up yoshi when i started with tekken 8. I love these shitty joke characters, so I was both surprised and a little disappointed when he turned out to be arguably top 5. Like, he has all of the goofy shit, but he also just has some of the best tools in the game so he stops being a goofy joke character and just becomes annoying
Bullshit, he already had a relatively hich pickrate on release when most people had no clue about tier lists. He also has a low winrate in higher levels. If someone wants to tierwhore there are definitely easier characters to pick up.
Bryan does more DMG than yoshi and can do more DMG easier than him without a wall.. people overstate how much damage he does. Yoshis redesign was needed and it made him a more fun character because his stances were incomplete in T7. That’s why he was so bad and his damage was also bad too. You also had to rely on flash too much in T7. Now, we actually have options. Yoshis unblockables are slow.. especially the sweep and his sweep doesn’t lead to a full combo. It’s like a mini combo, but it’s still good. The fact that more people use him just shows how much fun he is. Seeing people play a characters a good thing because now people are playing the game. And all his stances have weakness. Indian stance is probably his worse stance because it’s insaneelyyyyy slow
We gotta remember that almost every single person commenting is lower than tekken king ranks. Aka they don't know matchups, how to move/sidestep, and rely on their opponents being locked in place while they do their same pressure/mixups that they do everytime. Yoshi is frustrating to them bc he breaks the rules and they cant mindlessly press just bc they are a tiny bit plus. I am not claiming Yoshi isn't super strong, but he has some weaknesses but they will never know. They will be mad. Anyone that wants to win more against Yoshi, literally just start sidestepping either direction anytime you are -4 to +4 and you will whiff punish him almost everytime. His moves are crazy strong but super linear. He legit has like 3 tracking moves in neutral, none of which lead to combos. Anyone thinking I am downplaying... no I am not, he is strong af in this game, but I am offering you a bit of advice that I know will help you. YOLOSTEP yoshis until they prove to you that they are accounting for it. By the time you make them respect your movement you will see their playstyle become very passive.
My main since Tekken 2. It makes me happy that more players are embracing Yoshi, yet I've to beat anyone who uses him in ranked matches. As fun as playing Yoshimitsu, it will be a bad day when he gets heavily nerfed in later patches and I would rather give up gaming before that happens. Hopefully, it'll not come to that, although who the hell knows what's brewing in Tekken Project's R&D iron pot...?
3:59 so he is now overpowered because no one is playing actual tekken anymore bcs it is impossible to do. Even the very topplayers are saying this😅. T8 is about nonsensical spam, something Yoshi is just good at... combine this with flash in this steingheavy spamgame and you have a godtiercharacter, not because yoshi is so good but because tekken isnt really tekken anymore.. rip
That's a popular misconception about Yoshimitsu. He's only been bottom trash tier in T6 and arguably T4 but everyone got messed up with how weird that game was. Tag 2 and T7 (beginning) he was a solid character. Every other iteration he's been mid to even high/top tier. I've been around and actively playing Yoshimitsu since Tag 2 and go back and play all the older Tekken games pretty regularly. Fundamentals wise his pokes and offense on block is still pretty below average, even slightly worse in some cases compared to T7's. As for dmg output being too much in T8, it's not necessarily the dmg output in itself that's the problem with him being over tuned. It's the fact he gets such high dmg plus healing off his sword attacks so his reward ratio is absolutely insane. I do agree Yoshi's new sound design probably drew a lot of people in for him in T8, but personally I hate how much more bombastic his personality is in this compared to previous entries. I blame the soul calibur devs who moved onto T8 for this. lol You calling flash broken is a skill issue if you ask me personally and it's not because "It's an old legacy tool so just deal with it" but you are suppose to lab your move options against flash along with his spin escape. Yoshi's soul steal flash and spin escape is a lab character thing along with Ling Xiaoyu with her AOP duck, typically outside of a few characters and instances most individuals aren't properly taking the time to lab what they can do other than give up offense and trying to bait flash for a big launch whiff punish. Also if you want the reason why Yoshi hasn't actually won a tournaments or dominated like Dragunov the answer is real simple. Dragunov has the best risk/reward ratio out of the whole roster by far especially played optimized. Yoshimitsu has S+ defense in basically all the Tekkens with bladeflash and spin escape but and this even true in Tekken 8 when trying to open up the opponent with pokes and offense, Yoshi is typically fighting a losing battle there, he's a bit of a snowball character in this facet. One other major difference in T8 and that is a benefit for Yoshi is the heat mode covers this weakness extremely well. Yoshimitsu has always been stronger in short tournament sets FT2/3 than longer sets so that's another reason he seems much stronger since FT2 is now standard across all online modes. My general advice for beating your average Yoshimitsu player, learn your options vs him for 1 obviously and 2 let him try to start the offense, Yoshi players will struggle to open you up. Remember Yoshimitsu wants you to press into him not widdle you down with attrition like Dragunov. If Yoshi's heat is wasted this weakness is not really covered up anymore. I win most of my Yoshimitsu matches with over a 60% winrate even in the mirror so obviously I'm doing something right so I don't really want to hear anyone tell me I don't know what I'm talking about here.
He's so strong that I stopped playing him... then T8. Im a Yoshi player not a Tekken player. btw, he had 1,1 df1,4 df2 and b22 in T7. Outside of the heat properties they are pretty much unchanged.
Yeah, one of the reasons why yoshi is good in this game, is because tekken 8 feels like one big mash-fest to me. He can just flash you in the face. Otherwise, I never really had a problem playing against him, maybe because I play him myself. But yoshi just feels like the only character in this game with no BS hit boxes exept for that Pogo sword stance :D
Compared to T7, Yoshi in T8 is easier to use with higher damage. In T7, he had a variety of combos that had high reward but were a bit risky if you didn’t control him well. But in T8, I’ve noticed that his moves are simplified, perhaps boring, yet high damage. Overall, it’s fun to be a Yoshi player but if you’re playing experienced players, they’re not going to fall for his antics.
ill be honest, im new and chose yoshi cause he looked the coolest. I didnt know how mad stupid he is in this game but i ligit got kinda spolt with him and have a difficulty trying someone new.
I don't remember if Yoshi was top tier before T8. I've heard that he used to be quite good in T3 and Tag1, but not as good as Jin or Ogre. Then he was ok in T4, Tag2 and T7, mid in T5 and T5DR, and bottom 5 in T6. I dunno if it's better to nerf his damage and buff his healing or it's the other way - dude could heal himself up to max hp in previous games if Yoshi main knew what they were doing.
I love Yoshi ( I’ve never mained him) just for the sake of him being a legacy character, and it is a really cool character , but this MF is broken AF, and the players maining him will NEVER ADMIT he is broken.
Yoshi main here since beginning of 7, I agree with most of what you said especially with the design aspects improving his popularity extremely so, although I dont think his poking plays a big role in his popularity.... all thos moves you mentioned were available in 7, I'd say the main "issue" is his high damage. Nerf that and make him heal more instead😏
The true secret about Yoshimitsu is that he isn't even that hard to figure out to play. His moves are all very distinctive (unlike Hwoarang or Steve that just have 5000 kicks and punches that look the same), you aren't forced into stance on most of his moves like a lot of other characters and his baby combos do decent damage with bonus healing.
I've been playing Yoshi since Tekken 7 and I can agree with a lot of people on one big thing in Tekken 8, he does do too much damage. I think if he did less than he does now, then people wouldn't be too angry about him. However stuff like spin and flash I don't have an issue with because they are strong defensive tools in an insanely aggressive game which makes them seem busted af. He's an amazing character now and I think they should just rebalance his damage, even if they nuke it to T7 Yoshi damage, it'd be okay because his frames aren't the best, his pokes are average, but his set ups and mindgames are insane
No one reliazes how strong a character is until they get beat up by that character. I played him bcz he is fun but left him ( still playing sometimes) for how ridiculous he is
*when the hell did this "Yoshimitsu's a clown character" narrative start? He's a ninja with an unorthodox style that most people don't try to learn... not a goofy clown character,yall buggin*
He was always at the bottom because nobody could use him!? Everyone wants a easy character. Yoshi has always had the longest move-list and been the most complex character in the game. But IF you enountered that ONE guy that mastered Yoshi in T7 or any previous iteration, GL. Cause it was gonna be a long and frustrating day.
The unblockables damage is worse. I do a max damage staple that does 58, while in t7 i could do 65 and the max health was lower. Other unblockables have been removed or nerfed.
Tekken 8 is my first Tekken and serious effort into Fighting games. I tried to main Leo, but their RA is so lame it turned me off them. So I decided to go with Yoshi instead. Guy is a ton of fun to play even if it's hard. I'm sure he's going to get some kind of nerf in the future, but honestly I don't care. The hatemail I get online is just vindication for my own efforts to learn him.
V1.08 just nerfed the spin. Double self damage. Still can evade stuff that nothing else can when used skillfully. In my opinion they could have added a few extra recovery frames to flash too to make it easier to launch punish when whiffed. They did the same for Leroy’s b1+2 back in the day. Flash is fair if misuse (spam) gets punished hard. It should be a hard read tool. Yoshi will get even more popular now that Drag and Nina got nerfed. And Drag and Alisa are getting more nerfs waiting in 1.09. Spin nerf isn’t likely going to be enough as everybody above him will be nerfed.
He is waaaayyyy to OP in T8, its a shame, i really enjoyed him in T7. He was hard to figure out but way to fun to play with when you now his move. But in T8 its all about spamming his UB1 +2 🙃 i hate that move
@@Grace-Zed maybe that’s where numbers are ? I never play casual, only ranked. Even though I main yoshi I’m bad at mirror match because I run into a yoshi maybe 2 times in a week of playing, if that even. It’s always Jin, Brian, dragonov with a bit of kazuya and horang. Generally always same characters. I play around Fujin rank.
@@Notwedsquidhigh ranks translates into a player with an even higher ranked character playing Yoshi as their side piece usually. He is super fun. Sadly most of these charts don't really account for a single player playing multiple characters. Makes judging these things relatively hard not knowing anything other than the raw data.
@@Sicknificant1 no im like actually serious in the higher ranks yoshi is everywhere same for alisa and xiayou even though they dont have a highest of pick rate their extremely common in bushin tekken king to tekken god
now they included Yoshi in the Heihachi story but made him look more like a Clown and Lidia's lesser accesorry.. hes not even an equal rival to Bryan fury now
I feel like im not even playing tekken anymore how extremely powerful everyone else is compared to my Lili, yoshi is stress and any Mishima especially REINA is pure cancer.
What do you guys think about Yoshi in this game? Also let me know which characters you want to see me talk about next!
EDDY video soon?
I love Yoshimitsu but something is off about him in T8 that doesn't make him enjoyable for me. I used to always enjoy clips or tournament plays with him but now it's not nearly as interesting. And also seeing how many toxic so called Yoshimitsu players just picked him in T8 hurts so I'm really waiting for chunky nerfs for him to pick him again. Funny addition about Flash or Soul Stealer I think it was the best in Tekken 4 when it actually was true to its name. Imo it's way more interesting to actually steal moves from other characters and implement them in Yoshimitsu combos rather than stealing rounds.
@@manjiookami7962 in tekken 3 and tag tournament the name was Yoshimitsu Flash, they changed it in tekken 4 with new properties
@@SlashpLOder oh really? Didn't know that. It's still called Soul Stealer though despite not having an effect of soul stealing🥴
@@manjiookami7962 yeah they have forgotten to change the name too :D
The downplay of this character for months solidified to me that the playerbase has no idea what to do in terms of balance
It made me realize, as someone who first was really in the smash scene, that the downplaying and dumb takes are present even in a community that considers itself a legitimate fighting game, and its strange seeing
Yeah. A lot of game developers have adopted a phrase for themselves: “players are good at finding problems, but terrible at making solutions”
@@citrusblast4372people don’t like to admit their character is overpowered and pros don’t want their character gutted so it makes sense tbh
Actual broken character being downplayed, while trash char like DJ actually getting up-played by some people saying "git gud" bcs hes "not that bad" and people just need to practice
Casual players are needed for fighting games to survive financially but god do they ever give us constant garbage takes. Thank lord the tekken team can piece out which is constructive criticism and which is bad players whining.
One of my friend has over 1000 hours of tekken 7 yoshi and he's damn near untouchable in 8. He's broken
He's only broken if you don't know the matchup :)
@@EpsilonKnight2 In Tekken 7, sure. Not in tekken 8
@@zachm1007 No it's very much the same in T8. He just has more 50/50 scenarios he can put you in. Compared to a lot of other characters his offense is actually pretty slow. He blows you up for hesitating and letting him run offense.
@@EpsilonKnight2 Then you try to take back your turn by not hesitating too much. Here comes flash or spin. It’s so exhausting playing against that character and being mindful of those. All while having massive damage on top of that. You can’t just have all of those and not expect pp to think he’s broken.
@@EpsilonKnight2 you just contradicted yourself, If he has more 50/50 scenarios then you can not learn the match up as easily as it becomes a coin toss.
I believe other than the reasons mentioned there is one more thing that factors into Yoshi's popularity, especially in High level T8: Yoshi is the only character that has the defensive tools to consistently deal with the otherworldly offensive pressure that every Character possesses in this game. He can severely punish people who are playing predictably. It's T8's biggest problem imo opinion. And Yoshi negates that.
Definitely a very good point I should have mentioned thst
That's the actual problem. The game rewards aggression not defense, unless you're playing one of the defensive characters. There's basically only 4, and Yoshimitsu forces everyone to slow down or mix timing including other Yoshimitsu players.
Most of the other stuff people hate is very good and mostly same as it was last game, adjusted for t8 or even nerfed.
@@Rhekoni mean u said it man, slow down and learn to play neutral. Im in GoD rank and many people i see especially in purple and blue they dont learn to play neutral just keep rushing, and yoshi is ez counter for it
So I am a Yoshi/DvJ main... have mained Yoshi since tekken 7s release.
I will not downplay how good Yoshi is now but I want to offer one tidbit of info that will tremendously help you against him.
Get good at sidestepping. If you are a bear... well sorry.
Almost all of Yoshis moveset have awful tracking as well as their follow ups in the strings. I know sidestepping is scary to learn especially in ranked and very tough/annoying to lab. But if you have anyone that plays Yoshi decently, play them in some friendlies and experiment. You may be surprised how much you can limit his moveset with movement.
Again to any angrybois, i am ij no way trying to imply he isnt strong af, just offering 1 major weakness he actually does have. On top of earning you big punishes when you sidestep him, you will also get in the Yoshis head once they realize "omg i cant flow chart this guy anymore bc he wont stop sidestepping!" A lot of yoshis are already overloaded thinking about all their options for a situation and when you erase 80% of his neutral tools they will likely be mentally "stunlocked" wondering what they can even do about it. This is something that hit me hard after getting to around tekken king when i started facing people with solid movement.
Extra info: in general, randonly sidestepping characters or flowcharting sidesteps will get you caught too much and you will lose matches, but against Yoshi... agaij you may be surprised how effective yolostepping is.
Lmao. Imagine finally having to learn how to stop enemy from SS at tekken king.
@@murriellearenas4663not everyone is blessed with fast homing moves, yoshis are all pretty slow only thing he has that tracks and is not too slow is his cd2 which is -13
Having the Soul Calibur team work on Tekken Yoshi has paid off. From SC4 onwards the (Japanese) voice actor performance has been stellar. Now I feel that Tekken has caught up. This is the best Yoshi has been stylistically & competitively in Tekken, & I love that some of his Soul Calibur 6 moveset has crossed over too.
Reasons why yoshi in this game is broken
1. Flash: yoshi is the only character in the game who can completely change your fifty/fifty mixup potential (A game where almost all the characters are stance fifty/fifty casino playstyle based). When i play against a yoshi (i play bryan btw) and i land a heat engager i can't take my free fifty/fifty instead i will need to wait and bait out the flash on a timing mixup instead.
2. Spinny sidestep: his spinny sidestep that he can do by pressing either b3 or b4 is unbelievable amounts of broken. This allows him to side step even some of the homing moves in the game.(A game where sidestepping is buffed and yoshi is the only character that can completely side step your mixups and whiff punish you for it instantly).
3. Mixup, range and oki potential: ok just the two reasons given above does not make yoshi broken but add those two reasons and give yoshi his own stupid mix ups and congrats you have a disaster. Yoshi has unblockable mixups, stance mixups, mid oki guard break, mix up in his strings that give more mixups after a stance transition(i.e if you guess right by the way), hit confirmable heat engagers, mid crushing stance(talking about flea stance), an unblockable high that is really hard to punish if you duck it(talking about his bad breath), he can heal himself which forces you to rush into him and not give him space, he has unbelievable range because of his sword, can waste time by literally flying into the air and if you try and catch him landing then beware because he comes while using a unblockable sword hit, really good pick up potential with d22( his sword low pick up i mean), a jumping low which he can cancel and so much more that if i tried to type it out it will be hours and this comment is already long enough
1. If you're getting flashed at +17, you're being far too greedy with what you're trying to follow up with. In fact, I'm curious, what exactly is your go-to '50/50' after a heat engager with Bryan?
2. Evasive spin does not evade homing moves. Period. If the homing move in question did whiff while he was doing it, then it wasn't in range in the first place. This has been the case since homing moves were first introduced in T6.
Constructive criticism: don't preface your argument with barefaced falsehoods.
@@strykah92 alright here we go
1. I am using qcb1,qcb3 and qcb4 for the mix ups(for context qcb1 which I use the most comes at 13 frames) that +17 when you land a heat engager is not +17 the running animation takes up some of the frames from that +17 that's why qcb1 which comes at 13 frames can get flashed and sometimes if i delay the move ever so slightly then even my neutral 4 which comes out 12 frames can get flashed at that +17.
2. The evasive spin move has infact made my homing moves whiff on multiple occasions even when I am right next to the Yoshi and it's not just me many youtubers I have seen have complained about the spinning move making the homing move whiff if the Yoshi holds the spin move for long. (Moves in question that are whiffing are bryan's 1+2,df4, jin's 4, hell i was playing heihachi literally today against my friend who plays Yoshi and he literally made heihachi's b3 whiff with the a really small spinny move and whiff punished me immediately. So i don't know whose homing moves have been hitting your Yoshi but you are clearly doing something wrong there with either the timing or just straight up direction of the spinning move.
Now take this constructive criticism that i have shown with my experience and respect it before you start thinking about saying stuff like barefaced falsehoods in my criticism
Xiaoyu also has a flash move but it only puts you into a backturn mixup if it hits.
@@strykah92as a yoshi player, I would call the evasive spin “broken” but not necessarily in that it’s op (tho it IS incredibly strong), but it’s “broken” in that it really flips the thinking around it.
It’s considered an attack, not a sidestep, so certain homing moves won’t actually home in on it because the game doesn’t think you’re sidestepping. While certain moves that don’t typically home as well might home even better against sidespin.
@@renfujiara9696 heat engagers are true +17, the running animation lets you buffer everything including slides crouch dash and running moves. get back in the lab
I’m a yoshi main, only started playing in tekken 8. it was due to his reputation of being ‘troll’ character. he’s difficult to learn
the reason why he seems broken is because some of experienced players and pros really lab around him, they practice combo, moveset, and even often found new combos and mix-ups every month. since yoshi had diverse moveset, every yoshi you match against probably had different moveset. for example: there’s a yoshi that likes to do taijutsu (no sword stance), he often jumps and flash. then there’s the barrage yoshi, this player just burst you with neutral moves and complicated mix-ups. eyemusician, the profesionals like to do backturnt and sidestep, then tries to get an opening.
this uncertainty on yoshi matchup makes people think he’s broken. his low unbreakable requires him to crouch first then hold df, it’s as predictable as king’s mega grab. even if it connects, you can only do a mini combo with it not a full one. his spinning sword attack also prone to misinputs. most of his unblockable are not comboable, only the low sword sweep and KIN 1,hold 2.
yoshi was the first character i picked up in t8 exactly as you said because his design was so incredible and i also love sword characters from other fighting games. he has been my main since then because he is just so fun to play as and has so many options . i always dread the yoshi mirror match in ranked because you never know what the other yoshi will be doing and who out-yoshi who. amazing character
either that or you will just be goofing around with the other yoshi the entire 3 rounds
It’s really true,hard to find another yoshi plays like your last opponent who played yoshi,or if you play him,u can switch the styles between the rounds and make your opponent cluelessXD
Honestly I don’t really care about him being overpowered or anything. He’s funny sword guy that trolls his opponents, I just love anything and everything about him.
That's Yoshi in a nutshell
The unblockable low in particular is tricky. Its not just beginners and intermmediates eating that, even highlevel and pro players get hit. Dont worry, its not yur reaction time being bad/low block instincts just overwriting all the time
The reason is because of its speed in relation to how fast you can avoid it. You can react to Yoshi doing the move from crouch, but if yur reacting to the move itself, you WILL get hit. The common way to defend against it is low crushing, the issue is that low crush is usually at the 8th frame from doing a hopkick and stuff, so if yur reacting to the purple spark, its basically a 19f low.
TLDR, its a move you react to with Yoshi going into crouch rather than the spark, which is why Yoshi has the chance to do a 50/50 here, because reacting to the purple spakr itself will be difficult
Yoshi can do sword sweep basically instantly with a shortcut and also do it invisibly after a df3 since it leaves him in crouch state which makes reacting even harder. The proper counter is a backdash a lot of the time since the range is really short.
@@EpsilonKnight2 Dude, backdashing is not the way to do it... especially at wall or a spiking move that leaves you close.
@@KyeCreates Obviously you're supposed to use a low crushing hopkick or something of that nature too. You're right though that if you're getting set up at the wall that won't work.
@@EpsilonKnight2Df3 is actually one of the things you'd react to, eventually people start recognizing which moves put him into crouch and it makes the unblockable far more telegraphed as well as just crouching normally. There is another way to disguise it though that most people don't know about, you basically duck then do a qcb1 motion during your ws animation and you can get a sweep from that
@@PraiseTheRain_ Yeah I mentioned the shortcut. People who don't know the matchup would get caught by the df3 set up is what I meant.
Yoshi main since T4. I fell in love with this character first time i saw his visual design. I immediately thought that he's the most badass game character I've ever seen. That's why i started maining him. All of these years OG Yoshi mains were just enjoying the character they play and nothing more. And now when Yoshi became stronger - (FIRST TIME in 30 years) whole Tekken community now just destroying us with endless hate. People just forgot about tons of nerfs on the release when Yoshi's sword stance flash and his health recovery were nerfed. Why no one called him S tier before that? What happened now? Yes Yoshi is strong, and i really think he needs some damage nerfs, but also i think that people overcomplaining too much.
I agree that he’s definitely over hated. There’s tons of characters who deserve way more hate and who are way more annoying
I feel like a lot of newer folks simply don't know the matchup. They approach him like a regular Tekken character and that's not how you approach Yoshimitsu. Experienced players know exactly how to shut him down.
Agree. He is strong & top tier, but not as crazy as dragunov. Yoshi players can barely win tournaments unlike dragunov.
Fuck off, unblockable low launcher, insane damage, healing, idiotic evasion, steel peddle, flash, You’re not playing Tekken, brain dead 50/50s, that’s why your character is hated.
@@lowlifelennyhow can you lie with such confidence?
This is the game I decided to main yoshi. Didn't think he was gonna be ridiculous
Solid video, very good stuff 👌
As a yoshi enjoyer for 19years,I'll say that the biggest strength of Yoshi is how fun he is. His playstyle has always been charismatic in a way, forever extremely joyous and addictive.
Whether he's doodoo, mid or strong, he's always a bliss to play as and against.
There hasn't been a Tekken game where he wasn't my most used char, and probably never will. Buffed or nerfed, he'll always be top tier in my eyes, whether it's Tekken5 or TekkenTag5.
There were a handful chars I did not enjoy in T6, in Tag2, in T7 or T8, and usually different in each game, but Yoshi has consistently been fun as af.
He was stupid broken good in Tekken 3. Even T8 Yoshimitsu has nothing on his T3 iteration. It's misleading to label Flash as a parry, it's a regular move with a (tiny) hitbox. Something else which needs mentioning is that in T8 he only regains grey health in Indian and Meditation stances as opposed to regular health, meaning you have less incentive to chase him, which is what he wants. He's still Yoshimitsu, but they buffed his damage and reduced his ability to heal, essentially changing how the character works.
Flash is 6 frames at its fastest, only NSS and Heat make it 8 frames
Thanks for the info didn’t know this
@@groundbeef_ You're right I thought it was 8SS/10NSS for some reason, need coffee
Yep , he's pretty good in 5 I hear as well
@@lowlifelennyit's i10 and i12 for Kincho flash (enjoy the random info along with your coffee)
I am a loyal Yoshi main since tekken 3. but I really hope they nerf him to ground so atleast we can keep playing yoshi in peace, cuz it's not fuckin fun to hear people bitch about him all the time
Nice to know you want to abuse people online while also expecting them to keep quiet about the abuse.
Yes it would be AMAZING for him to get nerfed to the ground so all you yoshi clowns who keep downplaying him start crying about how "unfair" it is now. Kick rock
People bitch about everything lol. He's not even a big tournament winning character yet people say he's broken. Where's the Evo Yoshi champ?
Nah, why should he be nerfed to the ground because people cry? Let them cry who cares.
@@AliHassan-ki2fq it's way too much man. They keep whinning about everything. It was so fun in tekken 7 when nobody was mad about Yoshi cuz he didn't had damage. Most of his moves they bitch about now already existed in tekken 7 but nobody cared enough to complain then but god forbid yoshi gets some love in this game and deals some real damage Now everyone is loosing their shit.
@@Kingkaindal because they are bots. Yoshi is legit one of the hardest characters to play. Half these people crying play the scrubbiest characters. I dont pay any attention. They will cry no matter what. They just want everyone else nerfed except their main.
I think he’s popular because he’s cool asf and i would pick him too as a first timer, and of course after the pros said he’s busted, people who want to play strong characters started picking him
I think the worst part is that even if you are on the offense yoshi still has flash so the thought of him using it mid string makes you doubt your own offense
He is somehow annoying but loved and I think it's because he is so fun to watch. Everyone loves seeing Yoshi troll others but when you're being trolled it's painful. Such is life I guess.
It was an interesting contrast that he was bottom in most Tekkens while always mid to top in every Soul Calibur :D
just nerf his damage, make guard break 13 frames instead of 14, and also remove his counterhit launcher on 1,1. then you fix a lot of his issues. If people keep complaining about it then you would have sucked against t7 yoshi anyways.
14 frame guard break is perfect
No need to do anything less or more
Yoshi doesn't have any 13 frame move that atleast knocks down opponent
@@SoulStealer_499 no its not perfect, being able to get a heat engager from it+ combo is broken. He doesn't need a knockdown either, a simple Df1, 4 is good enough, and if they are too far away df4.
@@KobePlaysGacha a simple df1,4 makes no meaning for all the effort u put into the guard break setup
Also most players can easily avoid the guard break in high rank
@@SoulStealer_499 it doesn't take much effort to get the guard break dude lmfao.
@@KobePlaysGacha easy to do the move
Hard to make it work
Doing a guard break to get a simple df1,4 is lame
Your idea is not really balancing the game either
Also, it’s nice how they integrated Yoshi moves from Soul Calibur as well
Yoshi's damage output certain got a buff ever since day one of Tekken 8
You forgot his heal properties on some of his moves
He’s not broken at all, people just don’t want to lab the matchup. He’s the easiest win you can get in tekken 8 if you actually know how to face him. He has alot of highs in between 2nd hits of strings, has to take massive risks. extremely unsafe gambles and just learn to bait flash. I have a 75% win rate against him so I honestly don’t understand why people think he’s broken when he’s not even winning major tournaments
Clown
@@genji4456 seethe harder lol
@@Scorpion_23 no your mother will while she is sitting on my thing and then I said harder b …c
@@Scorpion_23 no your mom will while she sitting on my
@@genji4456 im tekken supreme so do what works for you king 😂 if you need help in the MU hmu
also his rage art is just one of the best its so cool
7:10 yoooo I didn't even know he could do this! that's awesome.
(I think) every character can do some variation of this against the wall. Back, Up/back back - Although I think some characters attack as part of it, rather than just hop over them (like king for example).
Edit: unless you meant the back handspring, then I think that’s almost a female exclusive move.
Back, up back for the backflip. All characters have a wall specific ability by pressing back, back, up back. Yoshimitsu’s wall move is one of the better ones because it can reposition him with the opponent towards the wall. Besides Yoshi, I know that Lei had the same ability in the previous game.
THE YOSHI VIDEO IS FINALLY HERE
lol sorry for all the delays
“Iyooooooooo” - yoshimitsu
haiiiiiiiiiiiii
The one thing i want to mention, and i hope that it won't be seen as downplaying, is that his combos need a bit of work and optimisation. Sure he has high damage, but in order to utilise his full potential, you have to learn every damn combo route and there are plenty of them, depending on :what stance you have (sword or no sword), in what stage are you playing (how far do you need to extend your wall carry), are there any wall or floor breaks, which combo ender won't whiff near the wall, are you going to go in with heat dash, etc. He has many different optimal combo routes and as a Yoshi main myself ( currently Raijin), i still find it difficult sometimes to pick the right route and that often costs matches.His easy combos wont go higher that 65-75 dmg, while other characters have higher combo damage,with less routes, easier execution and more input windows.Overall , it's sad that the community cries about him , considering that this character receives the love and the spotlight he deserves. He didn't have that for many years and that's unfair.
Saying you have to know the routes to get damage with a char that has 4 stances is a down play.... in fighting games they make some chars harder (doesn't always end up that way) because some people like playing chars that are hard and just because they are hard doesn't mean they should be broken (not saying yoshi "broken" but he needs some taps for sure)
@@rongill1234 It's not downplaying...It states that the character has a level of difficulty. Because somewhere in the video there was a statement like "easy" or something.
@@rongill1234four stances and two of them are super situational
I think you would pass out from lei wulong if you are having trouble with this...
Current Yoshi main (needed a new project for T8 since my two characters aren’t in it)
TLDR; man was a rule breaker in the before times with bad normal tools. Now, he’s a rule breaker with insane standard tools and combo damage. F, dude. It’s too much.
I have always found it funny that people say Yoshi is broken in this game. He is definitely strong, however, most of his stuff is only "broken" because of how Tekken 8 is designed (despite the fact that he was never strong, is his first time lol). Flash was always "broken" in book, but very manageable in past games like Tekken 7 due to the pace of the game, but in this game, everything is just so overly fast/plus and aggressive that players in my Tekken Emperor matches are just constantly pressing attack buttons and getting flashed cuz they're used with the "plus frame hit after plus frame hit and it is still my turn to act" braindead way of playing Tekken 8. I have genuinely beaten players by just interfering with their non-ending plus frame "combos" with Flash. Tekken has an insane amount of characters, each having more than 100 moves or so, and Yoshi has about 180+ not counting secret moves. He is a complete gimmick character, designed for you to learn how to play against HIM, not Tekken, that's how it always has been. So Being irritated by a gimmick character having a game-changing gimmick is understandable, however, STILL calling those moves like spin evade, unlockables, or Flash broken is just coping. I've been playing Yoshi since T5, he was never a "good" character, just a fun one. Calling him overpowered now that he is strong and some players can't deal with having to stop aimlessly pressing buttons is a skill issue. Learn the matchup, or keep losing. Yoshi may be nerfed 100 times from now on, but in the end, you'll still get hit Flash because you were mashing, and eventually by double seppuku to lose the match.
Flash is not what makes Yoshi OP in 8.
@theftking then what is it? People said flash, got nerfed, they still cry about it. People said Spin Evade, getting nerfed, they will still cry about it cuz is still there, just more risk due to health damage. So what makes Yoshi OP in T8? Damage? Every character does damage. Unblockable? It's always been there, that's a matchup issue.
@@Nick-ug6is The issue is the combination of everything combined with unblockable setups and the damage. If they want setups and mixups, the damage has to go. Xiaoyu lost most of her oki setups so they added more combo damage. yoshi got more added to his mixups and stances, but they added even more damage and thats where the problem is.
@KyeCreates the issue is that Tekken 8 rewards aggressive playstyle way too heavily. As a fighting player you should've NEVER be rewarded THAT much with literally just inputing plus frame attacks or mashing. So when a character like Yoshi (who always had everything you're saying, every combination in every other game) exists, he changes the gamestyle. Suddenly you can't just mash buttons and plus frame to victory. That's not being broken or OP, that's just being defensive/gimmicky over aggressive. Yoshi is not broken, T8 is just fundamentally too aggressive and players can't deal with a character like Yoshi. Again, is a matchup issue.
@@Nick-ug6is I am a long time Tekken player, and I play pretty slowly against yoshimitsu. The issue is that one mess up in t8 is enough to leave you close to death, on top of the fact that he has a unb mid now that can launch so playing slower is not as easy as you think, especially at Tekken emperor where you don't see him as much but when you do, there's a huge chance they know how to cover up the small weaknesses of Yoshi making it even more complex than needed. Hence why Xiaoyus weak damage concept should be applied because of the mental stack you can do.
Us Lili mains know the struggle against Yoshi 😩
It’s rough out there
Lili is actually one of the characters I struggle with the most with her crushing flips and amazing sidestep
i really wanted to pick up yoshi when i started with tekken 8. I love these shitty joke characters, so I was both surprised and a little disappointed when he turned out to be arguably top 5. Like, he has all of the goofy shit, but he also just has some of the best tools in the game so he stops being a goofy joke character and just becomes annoying
Nah, it's just that he's overpowered that's why he's popular.
Winner winner ... chicken dinner
😢 sounds like you didn't block my unblock able
so thats why nina barely make it in top 20 and shaheen is bottom 5, thx sherlock
Bullshit, he already had a relatively hich pickrate on release when most people had no clue about tier lists. He also has a low winrate in higher levels. If someone wants to tierwhore there are definitely easier characters to pick up.
@@sleepenjoyer-on2dr don't even try to explain that, haters are immune to facts
Bryan does more DMG than yoshi and can do more DMG easier than him without a wall.. people overstate how much damage he does. Yoshis redesign was needed and it made him a more fun character because his stances were incomplete in T7. That’s why he was so bad and his damage was also bad too. You also had to rely on flash too much in T7. Now, we actually have options. Yoshis unblockables are slow.. especially the sweep and his sweep doesn’t lead to a full combo. It’s like a mini combo, but it’s still good.
The fact that more people use him just shows how much fun he is. Seeing people play a characters a good thing because now people are playing the game.
And all his stances have weakness. Indian stance is probably his worse stance because it’s insaneelyyyyy slow
We gotta remember that almost every single person commenting is lower than tekken king ranks. Aka they don't know matchups, how to move/sidestep, and rely on their opponents being locked in place while they do their same pressure/mixups that they do everytime. Yoshi is frustrating to them bc he breaks the rules and they cant mindlessly press just bc they are a tiny bit plus.
I am not claiming Yoshi isn't super strong, but he has some weaknesses but they will never know. They will be mad. Anyone that wants to win more against Yoshi, literally just start sidestepping either direction anytime you are -4 to +4 and you will whiff punish him almost everytime. His moves are crazy strong but super linear. He legit has like 3 tracking moves in neutral, none of which lead to combos.
Anyone thinking I am downplaying... no I am not, he is strong af in this game, but I am offering you a bit of advice that I know will help you. YOLOSTEP yoshis until they prove to you that they are accounting for it. By the time you make them respect your movement you will see their playstyle become very passive.
My main since Tekken 2. It makes me happy that more players are embracing Yoshi, yet I've to beat anyone who uses him in ranked matches.
As fun as playing Yoshimitsu, it will be a bad day when he gets heavily nerfed in later patches and I would rather give up gaming before that happens. Hopefully, it'll not come to that, although who the hell knows what's brewing in Tekken Project's R&D iron pot...?
I like yoshimitsu because he was my favourite character in tekken 5 when i was a kid
It's a shame EyeMusician doesn't travel because he's a menace with Yoshi
He just got out of military service.
Yoshi doesn’t bother me as much as Nina and drag. He’s still annoying to fight tho.
6:45 not adding a clips with the yell here is criminal
lol very true I’ll add one randomly in the next video to make up for it
3:59 so he is now overpowered because no one is playing actual tekken anymore bcs it is impossible to do. Even the very topplayers are saying this😅. T8 is about nonsensical spam, something Yoshi is just good at... combine this with flash in this steingheavy spamgame and you have a godtiercharacter, not because yoshi is so good but because tekken isnt really tekken anymore.. rip
Yoshi isn't good at nonsensical spam, he's good at shutting it down, most of his kit isn't spammable aside from F1+2 during oki
My favorite attack is the shark attack
I play him because he’s a damn cool af ninja! I play heihachi also but when I play Yoshi it’s so fun, these games are fun and people forget that
That's a popular misconception about Yoshimitsu. He's only been bottom trash tier in T6 and arguably T4 but everyone got messed up with how weird that game was. Tag 2 and T7 (beginning) he was a solid character. Every other iteration he's been mid to even high/top tier. I've been around and actively playing Yoshimitsu since Tag 2 and go back and play all the older Tekken games pretty regularly. Fundamentals wise his pokes and offense on block is still pretty below average, even slightly worse in some cases compared to T7's. As for dmg output being too much in T8, it's not necessarily the dmg output in itself that's the problem with him being over tuned. It's the fact he gets such high dmg plus healing off his sword attacks so his reward ratio is absolutely insane. I do agree Yoshi's new sound design probably drew a lot of people in for him in T8, but personally I hate how much more bombastic his personality is in this compared to previous entries. I blame the soul calibur devs who moved onto T8 for this. lol You calling flash broken is a skill issue if you ask me personally and it's not because "It's an old legacy tool so just deal with it" but you are suppose to lab your move options against flash along with his spin escape. Yoshi's soul steal flash and spin escape is a lab character thing along with Ling Xiaoyu with her AOP duck, typically outside of a few characters and instances most individuals aren't properly taking the time to lab what they can do other than give up offense and trying to bait flash for a big launch whiff punish. Also if you want the reason why Yoshi hasn't actually won a tournaments or dominated like Dragunov the answer is real simple. Dragunov has the best risk/reward ratio out of the whole roster by far especially played optimized. Yoshimitsu has S+ defense in basically all the Tekkens with bladeflash and spin escape but and this even true in Tekken 8 when trying to open up the opponent with pokes and offense, Yoshi is typically fighting a losing battle there, he's a bit of a snowball character in this facet. One other major difference in T8 and that is a benefit for Yoshi is the heat mode covers this weakness extremely well. Yoshimitsu has always been stronger in short tournament sets FT2/3 than longer sets so that's another reason he seems much stronger since FT2 is now standard across all online modes. My general advice for beating your average Yoshimitsu player, learn your options vs him for 1 obviously and 2 let him try to start the offense, Yoshi players will struggle to open you up. Remember Yoshimitsu wants you to press into him not widdle you down with attrition like Dragunov. If Yoshi's heat is wasted this weakness is not really covered up anymore. I win most of my Yoshimitsu matches with over a 60% winrate even in the mirror so obviously I'm doing something right so I don't really want to hear anyone tell me I don't know what I'm talking about here.
Personally for me, I feel like this was literally the best & the worst time to pick Yoshi as a main.
As a yoshi main in tekken 7 im
Bummed hes so popular
I play Yoshi since T3 (my first Tekken). Whether he's strong or weak. Yoshi 4 life!
If Lei appears in T8 one day, I hope the devs won't make him as awful as Yoshi currently is. That character became a nightmare.
0:16 dont forget King, Law and Kuma !!!!!!!
They are not considered since the original king, kuma died meanwhile Law wasn't playable in tekken 3
OG King died, OG Kuma died and Marshal Law wasn't in Tekken 3, his son Forrest Law was.
@@DespairMagic Marshall was in tekken 3 but not playable just cutscenes
@@Dante_Sparda19 I woulndt call that "Being in game" 🤣
Back to his Tekken 3 glory
if only zato can get this much of a glowup
Sergei and Yoshi have always been really good characters
He's so strong that I stopped playing him... then T8. Im a Yoshi player not a Tekken player.
btw, he had 1,1 df1,4 df2 and b22 in T7. Outside of the heat properties they are pretty much unchanged.
One of your best videos yet keep up the scripted stuff
Appreciate it
Akuma: I bring Street Fighter to Tekken
Geese: I bring KoF to Tekken
Yoshimitsu: I bring Tekken to Tekken
Yeah, one of the reasons why yoshi is good in this game, is because tekken 8 feels like one big mash-fest to me. He can just flash you in the face.
Otherwise, I never really had a problem playing against him, maybe because I play him myself. But yoshi just feels like the only character in this game with no BS hit boxes exept for that Pogo sword stance :D
If you're a yoshi or a xiaoyu main, you dont have the slightest rights to complain about this game..
Compared to T7, Yoshi in T8 is easier to use with higher damage. In T7, he had a variety of combos that had high reward but were a bit risky if you didn’t control him well. But in T8, I’ve noticed that his moves are simplified, perhaps boring, yet high damage.
Overall, it’s fun to be a Yoshi player but if you’re playing experienced players, they’re not going to fall for his antics.
He may have gotten snubbed at all story and got no new cool moves to expand his abilities but he got his top.
Take away the flash and damage.. what are we left with?
They need to definitely nerf his damage if they’re going to keep him this way. And add bigger drawbacks to flash and his spin.
ill be honest, im new and chose yoshi cause he looked the coolest.
I didnt know how mad stupid he is in this game but i ligit got kinda spolt with him and have a difficulty trying someone new.
I think a lot of people are like that he just looks so cool
I only play him in t8 because his design is dope as shit. All his costumes are 🔥
I don't remember if Yoshi was top tier before T8. I've heard that he used to be quite good in T3 and Tag1, but not as good as Jin or Ogre. Then he was ok in T4, Tag2 and T7, mid in T5 and T5DR, and bottom 5 in T6.
I dunno if it's better to nerf his damage and buff his healing or it's the other way - dude could heal himself up to max hp in previous games if Yoshi main knew what they were doing.
Yoshi was the best character un tekken 7. People don't like to think like a computer
Yoshimitsu has always been broken but his kit is quite hard
I love Yoshi ( I’ve never mained him) just for the sake of him being a legacy character, and it is a really cool character , but this MF is broken AF, and the players maining him will NEVER ADMIT he is broken.
Because he is now played as a Swordsman
Yoshi main here since beginning of 7, I agree with most of what you said especially with the design aspects improving his popularity extremely so, although I dont think his poking plays a big role in his popularity.... all thos moves you mentioned were available in 7, I'd say the main "issue" is his high damage. Nerf that and make him heal more instead😏
So you mention his sound design but don't show any example? Would've been nice to put some audio from his attacks
The true secret about Yoshimitsu is that he isn't even that hard to figure out to play. His moves are all very distinctive (unlike Hwoarang or Steve that just have 5000 kicks and punches that look the same), you aren't forced into stance on most of his moves like a lot of other characters and his baby combos do decent damage with bonus healing.
Its because he doesnt even have to play tekken. Theyre playing an entirely different game
My thumbnail tells all... 👊😆
Yoshimitsu and king taking over tekken 8 after being so mid for such a long time is *chef kiss*
Yeah it’s awesome to see
Will you be making a video on Heihachi?
Yes very soon actually
I never thought I'd live to see the day that people call Yoshi overpowered... I dunno how to feel about it, tbh.
I've been playing Yoshi since Tekken 7 and I can agree with a lot of people on one big thing in Tekken 8, he does do too much damage. I think if he did less than he does now, then people wouldn't be too angry about him. However stuff like spin and flash I don't have an issue with because they are strong defensive tools in an insanely aggressive game which makes them seem busted af. He's an amazing character now and I think they should just rebalance his damage, even if they nuke it to T7 Yoshi damage, it'd be okay because his frames aren't the best, his pokes are average, but his set ups and mindgames are insane
0:16 Hasn’t King also appeared in every mainline Tekken game?
He was
Does*
Technically a different King. King the 1st was in Tekken 1 and 2 and was killed prior to T3. From T3 onward it has been King the 2nd.
YE-OOOHHHH!
No one reliazes how strong a character is until they get beat up by that character.
I played him bcz he is fun but left him ( still playing sometimes) for how ridiculous he is
High level trolling is the best!!!!!
*when the hell did this "Yoshimitsu's a clown character" narrative start? He's a ninja with an unorthodox style that most people don't try to learn... not a goofy clown character,yall buggin*
He’s a clown character because half of his moves are clown troll moves like the helicopter stances, pogo stick, suicide move etc
I would love to watch a video about your character wish list, both returning and guest characters.
Great idea!
He was always at the bottom because nobody could use him!? Everyone wants a easy character. Yoshi has always had the longest move-list and been the most complex character in the game. But IF you enountered that ONE guy that mastered Yoshi in T7 or any previous iteration, GL. Cause it was gonna be a long and frustrating day.
The unblockables damage is worse. I do a max damage staple that does 58, while in t7 i could do 65 and the max health was lower. Other unblockables have been removed or nerfed.
If they nerf his damage by a lot i think it would be great without ruining the character because none of his core tools changed at all
Great idea
Tekken 8 is my first Tekken and serious effort into Fighting games. I tried to main Leo, but their RA is so lame it turned me off them. So I decided to go with Yoshi instead. Guy is a ton of fun to play even if it's hard. I'm sure he's going to get some kind of nerf in the future, but honestly I don't care. The hatemail I get online is just vindication for my own efforts to learn him.
Thsi Character was always OP. He would get all the hate if he was a new cjsracter like Viktor.
here is a cool fact , Raven has cosmetic daggers 😐
V1.08 just nerfed the spin. Double self damage. Still can evade stuff that nothing else can when used skillfully. In my opinion they could have added a few extra recovery frames to flash too to make it easier to launch punish when whiffed. They did the same for Leroy’s b1+2 back in the day. Flash is fair if misuse (spam) gets punished hard. It should be a hard read tool.
Yoshi will get even more popular now that Drag and Nina got nerfed. And Drag and Alisa are getting more nerfs waiting in 1.09. Spin nerf isn’t likely going to be enough as everybody above him will be nerfed.
He doesnt have it all though. He needs all 3 throw break types. Make him a grappler 😂
Damn Yoshimitsu
He is waaaayyyy to OP in T8, its a shame, i really enjoyed him in T7.
He was hard to figure out but way to fun to play with when you now his move.
But in T8 its all about spamming his UB1 +2 🙃 i hate that move
I play yoshi but I rarely come across any yoshi players. Don’t get this at all
I rarely fight Yoshi in Ranked. But I get matched with 1-4 Yoshi every time I play in Quick Match.
@@Grace-Zed maybe that’s where numbers are ? I never play casual, only ranked. Even though I main yoshi I’m bad at mirror match because I run into a yoshi maybe 2 times in a week of playing, if that even. It’s always Jin, Brian, dragonov with a bit of kazuya and horang. Generally always same characters. I play around Fujin rank.
Yoshi is extremely popular at the high ranks not sure what rank your at but it could maybe be because of that
@@Notwedsquidhigh ranks translates into a player with an even higher ranked character playing Yoshi as their side piece usually. He is super fun.
Sadly most of these charts don't really account for a single player playing multiple characters. Makes judging these things relatively hard not knowing anything other than the raw data.
@@Sicknificant1 no im like actually serious in the higher ranks yoshi is everywhere same for alisa and xiayou even though they dont have a highest of pick rate their extremely common in bushin tekken king to tekken god
Why are we lying here getting hit by yoshimitsus unblockable low isnt near half hp its not even a full launcher
now they included Yoshi in the Heihachi story but made him look more like a Clown and Lidia's lesser accesorry.. hes not even an equal rival to Bryan fury now
Haven’t played the new story yet but it’s really cool yoshi gets a decent role in it
Viktor, Alisa, Lars, devil Jin, Kuma, Feng, Leroy, broken.....
I feel like im not even playing tekken anymore how extremely powerful everyone else is compared to my Lili, yoshi is stress and any Mishima especially REINA is pure cancer.