What is the best movie you've seen recently? Looking for recommendations. Also, I made a passing comment about Jennifer’s body here and vampires, obviously a film about possession, but she essentially behaves like a vampire in the film. Hence the comment lol doesn’t have much to do with the video but wanted to clarify for anyone that hasn’t already seen the film.
Non naturalistic dialogs aren't what the characters would say, they are what the characters wish they had said when they replay the conversation in their heads while showering
It’s funny that it’s true for a lot of people considering that for some people who don’t get much interaction I’m sure that the Tarantino style is easier to actually digest and understand. But honestly naturalistic dialogue feels raw, emotional, and interesting. It’s makes you understand the movie might not have so much action but it’s going to be super relatable
Very interesting, but i have to say there is also a huge problem most people forget, for everyone who is not born in an english speaking country its exactly the opposite. Especially when the movie only exists in English. If you are not used to hearing that way of speaking on a day-to-day basis you have a extremely hard time understanding anything at all, the same way some actors mumble to make a character seem more real, it feels alienating for people who speak English as a second language, so for a huge part of the world. Sure they can change the language to their own of this opinion exists but then you also loose a big part of what makes an actor interesting. People should be aware of that
Easy to understand? Natural spoken word is more of a puzzle than a carefully worded script, how many times have you or another used the wrong words, didn't make clear what you actually mean or just fail to find the right word. At least actors are on the same page, realistic dialogue is often a mess. Contrary to what Nerd said, i find people use words as tools to getting what they want, using words as weapons. Words tend to be re-defined moment to moment resulting in words having lost their original meaning.
The most realistic dialogue pacing I've seen so far is in Uncut Gems. That constant overlapping over others and the repetition of sentences is _exactly_ how people talk -and it stressed me the hell out-
I always found a big difference between film dialogue and how normal people talk is that in movies, they speak full, eloquent monologues. In real life, you would probably stumble your words, pause to think of what to say, and get interrupted by someone.
@@charlestonealmacen I think it's partly because it contains a lot of long takes, where the camera is focused on the two people talking nonstop, so that it all seems very natural, fluid and realistic!
@@timseguine2 eh, not necessarily. It’s that we often don’t get to know and understand real people. People’s humanity and interest is not laid out for us neatly in narrative or stylized dialogue
@@timseguine2 I disagree, people are interesting, quite interesting. But they are not expressed as a film with, quirky Heightened dialogue, you have to get to know them. That's the difference in fiction because we are already in the context of the characters and their mentalities.
@@kstar1489 My friend Tina kept saying, "I always fall in love with fictional characters instead of real people, because I know them inside out. Fictional characters are explained to me. I understand their backstory, their motives, their feelings. Real people are just this blurry, chaotic mass."
My brother described Tarantino writing as “you know that perfect comeback that you think of a few seconds too late? Tarantino characters always land that comeback, first time, every time.”
I think an unnaturalistic dialogue is like a text between two people. We wait the other person to finish saying their words, we think a little before we text so that we have a better choice of words and expressing our thoughts. There is no stutter, pause or repeating in a text. Its the way we imagine a conversation with someone in our heads. Simply flawless
I read this as if it were pulled straight from this video essay. And no i wouldn't normally call it a "video essay". I had to think through my vocabulary first. 😄
@@pablorepetto7804Yeah I agree, the thinking doesn't really lead to a better word choice for me... Often the more I think about a text the stranger it becomes. Better to go with my first response, however flawed it may be.
Its all about perspective- the more people I meet and interact with in life, the more i realize that even the most outlandish-seeming characters and dialogue can definitely be found in real life. Its one of the things that makes meeting new people unique
@Onlinerando certainly though communication involves people so we have to know different types of people to get a grasp of how they communicate I mean yea sure that’s more or less correct but there’s a big spectrum here of how people communicate there’s people that interrupt more even all the time and interrupt very little to none same thing goes for stumbling and the spectrum of communication for people goes on and on etc etc can you tell me where you got the information that these things you listed make it hard for people to follow the plot cuz I’ve never heard anyone say this nor heard it anywhere before
@Onlinerando That just sounds like he's describing the average nerd. Most of my conversations are just like The Sopranos & it's a large reason why that show's dialogue is so popular, because it's realistic, vulgar & funny. They speak exactly like how Bros & Brothers in Arms speak to each other. Not all of us pepper our speech with countless "UMs" & "UHs"
I think the point is that you need two or more people to make a conversation, and even if you somehow find someone who do speaks like Jules, they probably won't get a conversation like the ones featured in these films because of everything else.
My favorite thing about Nerdstalgic is something that I've never seen anyone point out before. He's the only content creator that publishes video essays in the aspect ration of the source material. This video is in 21:9, his video on Hey Arnold is in 4:3, and his videos on The Office are in 16:9. Maybe it's because I use an ultrawide monitor, but something about it helps me get so much more immersed. So... thanks for that.
I love this video, don't get me wrong, but this subject was exposed by Nerdwriter before, even referring to the same examples. Which is fine, he is adding on top of that, I'm not saying he is copying or anything. This was a great video.
i mean... channel name being nerdsomething, rhythm of speech, choice of figures of speech used in the structure of the script, stylistic choice of motion and text graphics, editing style and subject matter aren't by themselves subject to copyright, but damm does this dude made sure everything here is basically a bootleg relative of the Nerdwriter videos....
Well I think that would be because the majority of English dialogue is in some way scripted. You don't really get to speak the day to day English like the people living in the USA.
I think if English is somebody's first language there is so much context in the way we speak because of social norms or cultural reasons, or what's normal and what's not. We can learn languages academically but emotion and context is really important. Like if someone says " what is wrong with you?" The manner in which they say it can change the whole meaning.
Totally me! I’m not exposed to native English speakers often other than my teachers, and most of my experience with the language stems from movies, books and music. It all seems normal to me because I’ve never been in an English speaking environment for long.
The fact that this video used the OST from Arrival, a movie about interpreting an alien language while discussing film dialogue and natural language, just reinforces how wonderful this channel is.
It's just On The Nature Of Daylight by Max Richter. I swear I've heard it in more than just The Arrival (great movie btw) but I've heard it most recently in episode 3 of The Last Of Us. It's a very emotionally resonant song but the rest of the songs off the same album, The Blue Notebook by Max Richter is very good. I also really enjoy his other material. Very introspective-feeling music.
"Everyone in the movie talks like Quentin Tarantino, except Quentin Tarantino, because when he does show up his staggeringly bad acting means he can't even deliver lines in the style of Quentin Tarantino." - Mark Kermode
Hey this is kind of random but I am going mad... what song is playing 0:10-0:44? It’s on the tip of my tongue but I just can’t remember. I’ve been obsessing over it for the past 24 hours... It sounds a bit like Her or Revolutionary Roads.
I used to assume this was the case, but more recently, I've been questioning whether there might be more to it. By portraying the biggest loser in every one of his films that he appears in, Tarantino was able to get away with things that he might have otherwise been criticized for (such as, for example, using the N-word).
I know you're making a joke, but a "video essay voice" works for a video essay and "unnatural movie dialogue" works for movies where the characters aren't supposed to be relatable or "real" people. When the writers or director try to present a character that you're supposed to believe could be someone who lives next door and they speak in perfect "movie dialogue" it can be jarring.
God imagine if people spoke like how JoJo characters spoke, that would make life so much more interesting. You walk up to a Mc Donalds and the guy behind the cash register poses at you and says “You want a burger and I know that because I’m very precise you see. I can tell from looking at your body that you’re a meat eater, however, that meat is usually consumed in a unhealthy amount and of unhealthy quality. Do you know who the polish painter Zdzisław Bekiński? In most of his paintings he would draw broken and blackened worlds with large destroyed buildings. I work here because this run down McDonalds reminds me of his work.”
@@tobiramasenju6290 Lmao that's amazing! I can relate, if i'm ever talking about something i know very well or lecturing my siblings I speak in literary vocabulary (like "How Repulsive! How vulgar!") and they'll say i sound too wordy😂
Ultimately we are afraid to speak our minds, because saying the unexpected had have wildly unexpected results. Do we want to risk making a friend? an enemy? our minds opened by someone else? No, better to say safe, follow the script, smile and say goodbye like robots, our minds and lives safe and secure.
When I was a young kid I was super shy and awkward. Since I wasn’t very social I would frame how I interacted with people based off movie dialogue…that made it so much worse lmao.
The thing about Jules' bible verse is that he actually mentions in the movie that it's something that he has rehearsed and said to people multiple times before he has killed them because he thought it was a bad ass thing to say. So it's actually one of the few times a Tarantino dialogue was a bit realistic because he admits to rehearsing it.
@CORKY yes I've seen them all. No I'm not kidding. Tarantino is renowned for writing natural sounding dialogue. He has even said in an interview that the only reason he believes there must be a god is because he has a god-given talent for writing realistic dialogue. Kinda big headed lol, but his writing is good. Have YOU ever seen them?
@@yourmum69_420 exactly remember that scene i think reservoir dogs where the characters are discussing the song like a virgin and one of the characters misinterpret it as a song about a woman sleeping with an extremely endowed man which causes her sexual discomfort as if it was her first sexual experience and then argued about tipping the waitress? Thats legit how me and my group of friends talk about various subjects even out in public, outside of say hateful 8 his scripts are how REAL people communicate with one another especially when they're familiar with each others personalities and quirks
@@yourmum69_420 bro have you seen how people talk or argue in real life ? It sounds awful. Tarantino's dialogue is not "natural" . It's highly optimised and that's what so great about it
Ritvik depends on the universe though. I wouldn’t expect someone a long time ago in a galaxy far far away to talk like your average Joe from earth nowadays.
I think Smiling Friends is one of the examples of naturalistic dialogue in a comedic setting done right. The way characters often overlap their dialogue in the most mundane conversations, how their eyes and faces dart everywhere when they're listening to someone else talking, and all the self-interruptuons mid sentence. "you know like obvi- yeah...you know?" I think it's brilliant.
"Why does every movie UA-camr sound like Nerdwriter. That's not how people talk. Today we will explore ... _dramatic pause_ ... why." _cue intro music_
My wife loves “Gilmore Girls” but I couldn’t put my finger on why it bugged me. This helps it make sense. It is played overly scripted. No one ever interrupts anyone, people always have the perfect response whatever the situation. Every scene is like “line, punchline, response” repeat ad infinitum.
I'll add this, and think about it when she inevitably watches the series for the umpteenth time on Netflix: every main character speaks in Amy Sherman-Palladino's voice.
@@queuetwo to be fair I feel it works better in Gilmore Girls than Big Bang Theory. And it boils down to the story being told. In Big Bang Theory it just feels awkward and a bit jarring, whilst in Gilmore Girls it's fluid and more tasteful. That said it is noticable and at times can break immersion.
In my creative writing class my teacher told me: No one talks like how dialogue is written So, the whole dialogue should be realistic thing is false really For dialogue to feel 'realistic' it just needs to make sense in your story and provides purpose If your dialogue serves those two purposes, your dialogue should be fine
Vinay Malut It's more like saying : A drawing will never replicate reality 100%, for a drawing to be feel realistic it does not need to be true to reality, only to convey the characteristic and feeling.
I think it's less making the dialogue actually realistic but "realistic" to the universe you are trying to create, like within the story and presentation as a whole.
The script for Clerks is still one of my favorites. I always felt like, even if it wasn't exactly how people talked, it sounded enough like how people THINK they talk to make it sound like there was no script.
Characters often don’t talk like people and that’s perfectly ok. Movies are a heightened version of real life and dialogue is a heightened version of real speech. If dialogue was like real life many movies would be much less enjoyable.
I share the same opinion. Nothing wrong with "ordinary dialogues" of course, I don't think they're boring. But I also love when the characters have more complex or interesting dialogues even if you have to sacrifice some realism.
True. If you want "real life," it's going on all around you every day. If movies weren't a distraction from the ordinary, there'd be no point for their existence in the first place.
@@philmann3476 lmfao what a joke. Movies don’t exist solely to do anything. Movies aren’t only escapism. Movies can be a magnifying glass on life. It can be literally anything. I think it’s quite condescending and insulting that you think this way.
"You can't sneak up on Zuck; I don't even fucking blink / I'm the CEO at Knowing What You Think, Inc." Say what you will about the cats over at ERB, but they got the robotic nature of the Zuck bang on proper quality.
I think "naturalistic dialogue" in films generally leaves out several aspects of actual natural language. It's rare for writers to include lots of "pause fillers" like um and er, which are derided in public speaking but an important cue in communication between people in real life. "Huh?" or "what?" are only used if a character is meant to be self-centered or rude, when really there are lots of reasons people need someone to repeat what they said. They also leave out the slow pace of many conversations, and particularly the awkward pauses. When dialogue *does* include these things, I've noticed, instead of feeling realistic and natural, in film it comes across as surreal.
I'm imagining a book playing around with this; could have two characters' words printed over the top of each other when they start to speak over one another. would be gimmicky, but kinda fun.
Lavjot legit tho. I sometimes catch myself unironically using those cringey sayings that are always in tv shows and I’m like what was that lol. Maybe I just need to get out more lol.
Heightened language for heightened characters goes back to Aristotle's "Poetics", so you're building on a long tradition of understanding that our storytelling doesn't have to be naturalistic, and in fact maybe shouldn't be, to be effective!
Especially if there's something you want to highlight. if the whole point is that the characters are just like someone you'd meet irl, then go for it. But if the point is some other idea, and the way the characters talk is getting in the way of that for the sake of "realism", then it's just doing yourself and the audience a disservice. It might seem cluttered, confusing, and erroneously draw attention to something that wasn't intended to be.
It's pretty difficult to write a structured narrative with truly realistic dialogue. A lot of times, conversations don't have real clear intent. They just happen. Even when there is clear intent, the words that need to be said are often not said and when they are, their generally not poetic nor are they attention-grabbing. Real life drama takes very long to unfold and navigate through and most times people aren't even sure what the source of the drama was. Even I'm finding it difficult in my attempt to put words together to explain how messy real life conversations and drama is. For example, you could just simply drift away from old friends not due to a big event or a big fight, but you just simply care less and less about them or you quietly realize that you never really valued their friendship or something. Or maybe a big fight does happen but it's normal to just not see each other again some time and then act like nothing happened when you meet each other again. I've known people like this. No dramatic talks about making up and setting aside differences. In a movie, this would be jarring and may confuse the audience. Basically, real life is messy. In order to tell an effective story, most of the time, a structured narrative is required. So real life needs to be heightened just a little.
I think the amount of hate that that scene in Marriage Story got just goes to show how little people are aware of this aspect of filmmaking-they thought that Scarlett and Adam’s performances were horrible when they were actually extremely accurate. It sounds stupid because it IS, that is just how we talk to each other when emotions take over and we no longer are able to carefully chose words.
@@demonictowtoe7983 the argument scene and scarletts dancing scene were torn apart on Twitter for being awkward and humorous because that’s all people saw. I remember being kind of annoyed with having to see it be made fun off constantly and said to be “bad acting” when they are literally Oscar nominated actors 💀
I'm autistic and a lot of the time I do speak in an oddly 'scripted' way because I tend to plan out what I'm going to say before speaking to somebody... I've been told many times that I sound like I'm performing a monologue or a speech.
Me too. It can be tough to get others to realize what we’re really saying without any pre-scripted framework, as The Take’s video essay on Abed Nadir puts it.
I'm not autistic myself (I'm told I have a personality disorder though), but I know a lot of people who have Asperger's, so I recognize the speaking style. Personally, I prefer more "scripted"-sounding dialogue in movies and shows, if only because dialogue that sounds like it's trying to be natural always comes off sounding so much LESS so.
@@gabe_s_videos I like a mixture of both, sometimes things that are overly scripted and rigid seem 'fake' (*cough* riverdale 🤢 *cough*), but I agree with you that trying too hard to be naturalistic can also do the same.
@@golgothazTerror well what do you think the "divergent" part of "neurodivergent" LITERALLY means? You're diverging FROM THE NORM. "Normal" isn't a value judgement, is a statistical reality.
I remember I used to be part of this friend group that, if they didn't talk in "perfect dialogue" would come at least close sometimes. It was a group made up of very smart, very witty people, and every line spoken had to be funny, had to build on whatever bit they were doing on the fly. Being around them was entertaining as hell, but man was it stressful trying to keep conversations at dialogue standard.
Me and my room mates once threw a party and invited several close friends over, and they brought a handful of new people over. About an hour into the night, one of the new people had to come out and say that being in a room with us felt like they had walked into the shooting of a sitcom, because we are like that in our group. The other new people then all nodded and voiced their agreement with that sentiment. We hadn't realized it, but somehow it is as if we had been conditioned to act in an entertaining manner, but for us it is more like a pastime. It's easy to pass a lot of time enjoying yourself when everyone is playing the game of trying to make each other laugh or react in a positive way. It really does make for a great sort of puzzle. Finding new people to talk to that can keep up makes it even more fun, because everyone has their own set of tactics and characteristics to their sort of humor and their own flavor of charm.
The Sopranos is an example of the show where the dialogue is somewhat exaggerated at times but truly does reflect real and mundane life. As someone from New Jersey, it is extremely refreshing to see such well written dialogue that comes so naturally out of the characters. Truly a masterpiece of a show.
This is why you can't just say "Dialogue should be realistic" or "Dialogue shouldn't be realistic." There's no universal rule, no quick fix, that you can just follow to automatically succeed and malign everyone else for not following. As you say, it's a stylistic choice, and whatever you choose, what matters is doing it well.
Exactly - someone can argue that it's not entirely realistic, but regardless Tarantino is an excellent dialogue writer. IMHO, in his less stylized films it's closer to reality than not. It also seems like his actors never have difficulty delivering it.
@@jdraven0890 if I'm correct, Tarantino calls his movie universe (yes, they are all connected) a reality more real than reality itself. In his reality realer than ours, his "realistic" movies like Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs happen, and they go to the cinema and watch Kill Bill.
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 I love the thought of those characters going to see Kill Bill :) You must be right because in Once Upon a Time... Rick Dalton starred in a WW2 movie that resembled Inglorious Bastards, and there's no way that was done unintentionally.
I’ve noticed this with my sister. She watches lots of Disney sitcoms, and her dialect has changed, lots more pauses for non existent laugh tracks and much more saying stuff as if we(aka the audience) should already know it because she does. (She’s 8) Edit: the only difference is that Disney sitcoms aren’t exactly poetic.
I'm pretty sure it is a common feature for the age. Like, I remember a time when I said like "my grandma/grandpa/mother/father" like everyone would understand even though they never met my relatives. It was actually a shock to me realising that everyone has their own perception and they can't know what they don't meet the same way I don't know who are their parents if I never met them. Anyway, I don't think this is a television thing, it is more of an age thing, I didn't watch TV when I was growing up and it was long untill I got the senses of narrative. Movies were only pretty scenes where I lacked a sense of connection between cause and effect and all of it, except if it was really simple. About the pauses... Maybe you are right. But I guess is more because we talk the way we listen. Even if I talk or watch a lot of videos with some accent I start to pick that up, the same way sitcoms have a rythm on which you can pick up. It happens a lot with me and new stcoms or youtube channels, I'm starting to talk and suddenly I'm talking like vsauce or some other channel
@@NoisqueVoaProduction many of the youtubers I watch are British. I’m American. So one day I said some British slang on autopilot to my grandma and friend and they were like ?¿ and I couldn’t figure out why until later lol
my 6yo brother narrates for his non existent audience the events of his daily life. he's doing imaginary vlogging. it is absolutely because he watches too much youtube. he makes jokes with references he doesn't understand but yet uses them correctly. children are mimicking human behaviour from media more so than real life
I've done conversation analysis, and when transcribed you see that most natural dialogues are trainwrecks. People barely speak in complete sentences, and they talk past and over each other constantly. So I'm very fascinated with that unscripted bit in Twin Peaks when a guy mishears something, and Cooper has to repeat his line. That's how people talk, but you never see it on screen.
@@cedar4539 exactly! i have this same feeling when i try to express certain feelings or descriptions in my native language and it’s not ‘’available’’, it’s something so crazy to think about it.
So, could you look into how movie dialogue affects natural speech? You say “people don’t talk like this,” but to some extent I think some people do, due to the influence of cinema and TV. You can absolutely notice that some people will try and sound quirky like Juno, or project a confident persona that’s quite clearly based on their favourite movie character. I’d be really interested in if such feedback exists and where it shows up?
My boyfriend is a total smart ass. He’s witty, funny, very quick on his feet, and talks in a way that sounds almost too intelligent. Almost like a movie script. I’ve seen the kinds of movies he watched growing up, and I’d totally agree with you on the “due to influence” part. He was practically raised on comedies, and marvel, and movies like pirates of the Caribbean and it definitely shows in his speech. Super interesting
As a kid and to a lesser extent today I enjoy imitating accents and generic ideas of characters from films to either add a bit of comedy to a situation or when it feels relevant. When cooking Italian food I might imitate an Italian. I have mocked rich people for not understanding poor/normal lifestyle by taking on a British accent and code switching to fancy vocab and doing the "mmm, yess". When trying to explain something technical and dry in a humorous fashion I overexaggerate a nerdy persona with a lisp and make references to imaginary gear (pocket protectors, calculator, inhaler). Or if I'm going for a humorous jab I might choose a Shakespearean thou/thy 2nd person singular and a bunch of archaic insults.
@Akshay 786 never seen them but I think I saw a short review or analysis and yeah. I’m 25, and might have been 22/23 when I saw that review, so school is still pretty fresh in my mind... From those little snippets, yeah, it seemed like he totally nailed natural speech, both in terms of vocab and structure, but also in intent and emotion. (Like the kids were mocking someone for not being allowed to have Snapchat in one of the scenes I remember and it was VERY true to life)
Most of my personality and morals have honestly been influenced by what I've seen on movies and television. It's just who I've always been. Some people have said I have some kind of identity crisis, but I have always looked at it as sometimes media, because it's scripted, knows exactly the right things to say, when to say them, and how you should say them. It could literally turn somebody who isn't socialable at all into someone who can formally express themselves.
As a teenage girl I really liked the dialogue in Jennifers body because it sounded like how me and my friends talked. The slang is made up but you still know what it means so it feels like the local sayings that only kids at that highschool would know. They sound goofy and dumb (and hilarious) because they're goofy and dumb kids, which makes the horror of what happens to Jennifer, the town, and Needy all the more poignant. Also it allows for a lot of great jokes and catchphrases that are usually what cements a film as an icon of the teen genre, think mean girls. So I actually think the dialogue is really good!
Teens do speak that way. If other characters not teens do this, it can be distracting from the story, or can be annoying, or can work against the character development. Since we are watching a movie we accept it, if it works within the story. Watch a screwball comedy and the actors are speaking in an artificial and speeded up way but the word is verisimilitude (if I spelled it right), it means feel right or like it could happen that way. And there is not enough time anyways to speak in the slower way real nonfictional characters in real life speak. Movies will have the dragged out parts speeded up and the lag times deleted.
It's crazy how many different artforms go into making a film. From the obvious to the minute, whether it be dialogue, cinematography or acting, all the way down to sound design, typography, colour grading, editing, vfx, production design, costume design, etc. As a musical artist I love the fact that everything I make is 99% my own work. Sure, we use drum recordings, maybe a few ad-libs etc, but for the most part, I can put out a song and confidently say that I produced the entire thing - it all came from me. I think if I were in film I'd be a little proud, or stubborn. I'd want to do EVERYTHING myself to achieve my vision, which just isn't practical on the enormous scale of a feature length film. And I know the director kind of oversees each step, but they're still at the mercy of hundreds of people. I really just admire how cohesively so many different people can work together to create something beautiful that makes sense.
Yeah, man. As someone that is in both the film and music world, I can tell you that film has taught me how to work well with other people and let them contribute ideas in my music. I’m getting better at it everyday
Imagine seeing major films with more organic human speech mannerisms. Yawning, hiccuping, burping, sneezing, coughing and mumbling which isn't used for comedic effect, creative licence or plot. Mispronounciations, stutters, crutch words, and pauses done both a spontaneous and unpredictable way, just as is in life. Indie films incorporate that element of imperfection quite well. The razor-sharp delivery, quippy wit and sarcasm-ladened dialogue we've all come accustomed to in larger films I feel is sometimes so far removed from how we vocalise many of our day-to-day experiences.
I mean if someone did that, it could also be misconstrued as just bad acting or sloppy directing but could definitely be interesting if it were intentional.
My personal favorite mannerism would be the "I've stumbled on this sentence twice now, so let's talk about something else." I like it so much that I use it almost daily.
Part of the reason we enjoy movies is so we don't have to see much, if any, of the unimportant in-between's. Who wants to see a random burp, fart or sneeze unless it moved the story forward somehow? I can appreciate the odd mistake or two in a song, but don't give me the "practiced" version full of flaws, give me your best, least-flawed product, but not so flawless it's unrelatable.
I'd love to see more films like that. It would be cool to have more films with characters who act closer to real-life human behavior. It's not that every film needs to have only realistic dialogue, but I think it will do a lot to add diversity to the way films are presented and add a sense of naturalness to it. Sometimes realistic dialogue would work better than dramatic dialogue, and sometimes vice versa. It's good to have a balance of both.
Honestly though. Pulp fiction absolutely nails realistic conversation flow, absolutely my favorite script ever written. The french big mac is an amazing example of something stupid we talk about in real life, and then bring it back as a lot of the things we say in a day are because we heard or saw it earlier. Pulp fictions script is heavily stylized but still has a lot of realism to it.
Yeah I always thought quarantino nailed realistic dialogue , cause yes speech can be messy , but when you sit down to talk to people you know its very fluid, which quarantino nails all the time IMO.
What the fuck are you guys saying? He showed that as an example of UNrealistic dialogue. Tarantino movies are the first ones that come to my mind when I think larger than life, exaggerated dialogue. Literally nobody talks like the characters in his movies, delivering zinger after zinger. I think yall missed the point
I got this notification right as My English teacher was lecturing my class about choosing good dialogue. Now that I think about it, Nerdstalgic has taught me more about great storytelling than any English teacher I've ever had.
@@fatastrophe9854 I understand that. I really think teachers get the short end of the stick when it comes to these types of things. I'm just putting an observation out there.
You're spoiled for even having that. Portuguese teachers in Brazil are soulless essay tutorial machines. I used to read a lot, wanted to be a writer but then essay mania started running wild.
@@SilverlineXZero It boils my blood how education systems steal the curiosity and will to learn and be great from students by forcing them to do useless mindless work in the most unmotivating ways. All in the name of making more money from test scores and which schools are the best and such.
Ever since I was a kid I thought it was weird how perfectly movie characters typically talk. Most movies don’t have their characters going “oh uh... well...” and stumbling over each other’s words, which is something that happens every day.
I just stop talking instead of uming. Like I'm sure I look like a crazy person. But I'll be looking up in the air like I'm searching for the word above my head or something. Even just say words when I suddenly remember them. Was asked yesterday about the name of one of the meats on the cheese board I out together. Couldn't think of it. About 10 minutes later I announced it in the middle of a new conversation, just interupting everyone because I'm a dork.
I agree with most of this, but Jennifer’s Body I think is written that way because it’s camp. You’re not supposed to feel really like these are real people. The fact that they’re tropes is the whole point and is used to highlight the message, that we fear and make monsters out of female sexuality
I hate this argument... "the characters are shit because thats what the author wanted" well, ok. No wonder the product was shit. Jennifers body is just another product of cult followings over analizing enterteinment and founding hidden meanings in places that they dont exist. If a message isnt properly convey without someone else telling you about it, that message is flawed. So yeah, jennifers body isnt any hidden masterpiece
@@sebastiandelgado2525 well I'm pretty sure there was a message in that movie. I mean the director said it and apparently Megan Fox wanted that role a lot bc she felt like it portrayed how she felt during that time of her being an actor. But ya know, messages can be subjective.
@Lego Veggie Tales Director's Cut maybe it wasn't supposed to be an argument in that sense? Every statement about art doesn't have to be an argument for or against its merits. Maybe the point was, "it's OK for some people to like something that you don't."
If anyone is curious, the track at 7:39 is The Nature of Daylight by Max Richter, one of my favourite pieces, the appearance of which in media I always appreciate (another example of its appearance is the introduction scene of the film Arrival).
Things that don't happen IRL: - NOOOOOOOOO - Announcing someone's name everytime they walk into your sight - People listening intently and kindly to a diatribe without interrupting, unless you're Stalin or something
i don't necessarily mind this. why should every movie's goal be to be as realistic as possible? sometimes you want to watch something over the top or grandiose or melodramatic -- its not always supposed to be real life
This is exactly why I can't stand Aaron Sorkin's writing. Every single character talks the exact same way, and everything is punctuated with impossibly quick and witty quips. As a result, they never end up sounding like individual characters, they all just speak like what Aaron Sorkin wishes he sounded like in real life.
This video unexpectedly blew my mind I was kinda getting confused and kinda loosing it but just when you show a real “Natural Language/Dialogue” was i instantly get it and its something that we tend to overlook and tend to not even notice it at all, its actually crazy that when i am shown a perfect good written dialogue that is quite realistic that i forgot what a real authentic imperfect dialogue is and im surprised not many writers uses this more, it really gives more life to what you’re writing. I’ve watched and listen to lots of imperfect realistic dialogues from other movies, but its kind of insane i never noticed how very different they are to what we usually hear and see in written dialogues, and yet never consider how actual humans talk to each other especially in the heat of the moment.
The thing about saying "People do not talk like this" about Tarantino's dialogue is that, if you watch an interview with him, you'll see he definitely does. His characters puppet his own speech and mannerisms.
I think it's pretty clear that Pulp Fiction imitates art, not life. It's even in the title. The word 'fiction', as well as the word 'pulp', which refers to an even more unrealistic fiction. This is what is said often about Tarantino's movies, and I think it's pretty accurate. Not necessarily a good or a bad feature, but one that just is.
@@allendracabal0819 Yeah, Tarantino in actuality says the world 'Alright' about 100 times (maybe no exaggeration) in interviews. Tarantino's actual spoken language is much more filled with hesitations and pauses and utterances to help him process his speech than his written and edited content.
This actually resonated with me emotionally, video essays often don't. I'm autistic. I simply don't "do" regular communication. It makes me want to rip my face off. I think part of the reason for that is because I watch too many movies and am enamoured with how people often communicate in fiction. There's almost always a defined subject. There's almost always pacing; things move gradually towards a mini "climax". Sentences are well structured and direct. Because of course they are, they've been carefully thought out/reviewed by a room filled with professional writers. I find myself disappointed when I'm unable to feel the beauty and clarity that can be felt from some movies (and books).
It’s almost impressive how some people can use so many unnecessary words to convey a simple message. One of the most well-spoken, easy-to-talk-with people I know always takes his time to formulate a thought and word it in a direct, digestible way. He has a stutter, so talking slowly and clearly is one tactic he uses to overcome it. And because talking never came easy to him, he learned to communicate ten times clearer than the average shmuck.
@@Herpusderpus Unfortunately a common problem for most people is coming off as rude when doing so. People add fluff usually to soften their every day communication, myself included. Not only to keep things harmonious, but because we don't listen to every word someone is saying when speaking to us. If it's more than a handful of words spoken by the other person, we tune in and out catching the highlights of what the other person is saying. If we were always so direct and short, with every word important, while still tuning out a bit because it's natural to do so, we'd miss a lot of vital messages from others. Or we'd be asking others to repeat themselves constantly.
@@EvilMonkey7818 people tune things out *because* the person speaking isn't direct and short. the simple solution is to be both succinct *and* listen with intent.
@@rhael42 the idea that 'talking succinctly and accurately is good' is a myth... It sounds good, but it's a terrible idea. If you want someone to understand something, repeat it. Explain the idea two or three different ways, and they'll get it, even if they aren't listening that well. Even in this comment I'm repeating myself. I'm finding different ways to explain the same concept. If you want to actually communicate well, finding different ways to explain something is the best method. Trying to compress a message down to the smallest number of words is just gonna confuse people.
My favorite dialogue style is the one in Edgar wright movies tbh. The man makes every character a walking trope rapid firing stupid statements and still manages to make them feel like people
Hey, I have a small suggestion. When you show scenes of a movie for the first time (or every time, if that's easier), would you mind putting the title of the movie and possibly the year in a corner for reference? I say this, because when you speak about a certain movie, you will reference another movie from the same creator or studio and I think it would help some people, including myself, know which movies to go look for and know the references.
@@linkenski To me, I almost feel that, in an exaggerated sense, I can almost count the movies with good naturalistic dialogue with one hand. It are usually exceptionally well told stories where the heightened immersion serves the exceptionally well executed plot. And the thing about them is that I almost never remember the dialogue. Which honestly kinda makes me question how many people actually appreciate naturalistic dialogue for itself or if most of them are just happy that it doesn’t bother them while they follow the actual story.
@@kapitan19969838 Because normal people stammer, stutter, or trip up, and if you want to see acting that actually tries to imitate reality rather than some idealized version where everybody speaks in this poetic, perfect tone all the time, then you want to see the things I mentioned.
Jennifer's body is severely underrated. It's an incredible film about girlhood, friendship, and layered toxicity. It was definitely mismarketed though. Like, the point is that the monster in the movie isn't really Jennifer, but what created her. Anywho, if you like film, give it a second watch with fresh eyes.
@@godspeedhero3671 lmao space odyssey dude? the first 20 mins is even more boring. its a brilliant movie but certainly also can be boring. let people enjoy what they want.
When you watch a Tarantino movie you watch it for the cleverly written dialogue (s)/monologue (s) and the in depth characters and the way he constructs a narrative and I love it how at the end of the movie how he stitches up the narrative and how the narrative all comes together from different characters points of view.
Dialogue is all about conveying the information of the story in a smart way - in a way where the story beats are not spoon feed to you. Where you can figure out what’s going on without every single detail being spelled out for you. That is great dialogue. That is great writing.
I’m a little confused how Diablo Cody’s writing style, while consistent, is seen as a gimmick in Jennifer’s Body, while Aaron’s writing in The Social Network and other films is seen as “it just works” because of its consistency. That contradicts itself. Why does Diablo’s dialogue style have to serve the story but Aaron’s can just exist?
yeah I feel like this juxtaposition was suss as. I don't wanna accuse this guy of anything but the whole "teen girls making up dorky slang language to show how tight their friendship is doesn't work but when it comes from a guy's mouth it makes sense" totalllyy rubbed me the wrong way
Ah I had the exact same thought!! Both dialogue styles were heightened on purpose yet somehow for Jennifer's Body it didn't work and it did for other Sorkin movies?
2 things: - For a video on dialogue, you need to let us actually hear more of the dialogue - Jesse Einsenberg is giving off some strong Kevin Bacon vibes in The Squid and the Whale
it was surprising to me that he used The Squid and The Whale as an example for naturalistic dialogue because while certainly the flow of dialogue in it feels fairly natural, the word choices are, in my opinion, far from.
@@Sophia-hs7et Please watch “The Meyerowitz Stories” and “Marriage Story” on Netflix. They’re both by Noah Baumbach, the examples of naturalistic dialogue.
Unfortunately, the more you use the more you open yourself up to copyright strikes, demonetisation, etc. I get the feeling it's a very careful balance, one that often tips in favour of the big guys who hold the film rights.
We read books, poetry and love other forms of entertainment hat don’t mirror real life. It’s entertainment. and the truth is that sometimes people DO speak like this.
@Malk Von Batshit yes and no I think if you want to go in the "realistic" route in most arts, it can be good, you just have to do a good job But at the same time, it is indeed anoying how many people want to force "realism" into everything, amd criticize thinga for not beign "realistic" when it doesnt matter
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi when the fact is everything in life is realism. The only thing does is categorize similar situations, and group them. More of a compilation of similar events, than realism.
i think the reason dialogue is often considered unrealistic is not because “people don’t talk like that”, but because characters must fit into the specific narrative of the story being told. if every scene must build to a purpose within the narrative, then every conversation must end with the purpose of the scene, so of course dialogue is going to sound more precise on paper because the story requires it. well written dialogue can take the reader on a journey by using specific techniques like foreshadowing and subtext to determine what will happen next, but how naturally the conversation flows depends on how it’s interpreted by the actor and/or reader.
As an “awkward”/quiet/shy/introverted person, I’d like to thank you sincerely for this video. People like me miss out on so many social interactions, or otherwise don’t understand the interactions we observe, so it feels really nice to know that I’m not losing my mind when I think that movie characters often don’t talk like normal people.
This feels like a massive overanalysis, unless these are just bad examples. Why does Jules speak the bible versus that way? Have you literally never heard a preacher speak bible verses? The diner scene in Pulp Fiction about the 2 planning a robbery, the guy was explaining, the girl didn't follow, he clarified, that sounded pretty natural to me. The social network was obviously faked because they needed Zuck to appear smarter than everyone else. As for Juno characters speaking quirky slang, yeah they're teens in high school. Did you never go to a high school in your life? Kids stick out when they speak clearly and like adults, slangy/quirky is basically the entire way to talk in HS, especially between Juno and Cera's character, they're dating so of course they have their own special ways of talking to each other
If you try to talk like TV or movie characters do, which is pretty common these days, communication becomes one sided. Acting is about monologues and uninterrupted one liners perfectly hitting home to a well fucked adversary who dares not talk back to such brilliant oration. In real life, you say something dramatic and monologish and people are looking at their phones or talking over you. Nothing hits home, nothing ends the conversation, nothing means anything.
Surround yourself with the wrong people and nothing can become everything. Context matters not just of what is being said, but whom is there to listen. Meaning is meaningless to those who won't read between the lines and actually think about it or be given the chance by whoever said it. Maybe you could see things as meaningless, but id rather say that when someone simply tells me to shut the fuck up, especially after a long rant like this... still hurts :/. Id say as long as it isn't too long, just enough for the brain to chew on, a good idea or topic can keep people interested long enough to make the interaction itself worth something, even if the topic is total bullshit. Anyways sorry to word vomit, just tired and overthinking language when I have math hw to be doing. Have a nice day :P
I find the truth to be the opposite. Most people rarely give others a chance to speak. Listen more and wait your damn turn to speak up. Perhaps then, you would put more thought into what you choose to say aloud.
That's because people in the real world have largely become narcissistic, self-absorbed creatures with the attention spans of tsetse flies, to pay attention to anything other than themselves for longer than a YT comment is exhausting. ;)
Natural speech is messy, convuluted and all-over the place, and I love it. How do you know when some one likes you? Do they talk a lot - about NOTHING. Because at some point, there's not much left to say, so you talk about a movie, a food, stubbing your toe, etc. When someone randomly talk my ear off about anything, no matter how mundane, they trust you . And, I trust them. Not only to listen, but to understand. To feel what they're saying more than just hearing words. Some of my best clients were those who talked themselves into the sale, not me. People love an audience, and if you give them one, just let them speak what they feel, they become great friends and companions in life. Let people have their dialogues. Let people make their point in full. Let them feel respected and heard.
Half the people who 'talk my ear off' are bullshitters who *mustn't* be trusted. They're looking to manipulate you more than they are trust you. The other half merely being simpletons with verbal diarrhea.
This is one of the reasons I like sci-fi so much. It's easier to ignore how unnatural the dialogue feels sometimes, since it's always taking place in some alternate timeline or far future, where differences to our actual reality are expected rather than distracting.
@Malk Von Batshit I find that sometimes me and my friends will ge into a rythm of conversation that feels like a scene from a Tarantino movie. I cherish those moments
Rainn Wilson said a lot of times when fans would come up to him and reference a joke they liked, it was frequently situational comedy vs a singular line or a specific one liner. I realized I was doing the same thing with friends. Whenever I referenced a joke from The Office, I’d start out by saying, “That’s like that time when Michael… etc”
Interestingly enough I often feel the opposite. To me, naturalistic dialogue frequently suffers from being less deliberate because being deliberate to obey a larger than life vision allows for the total devotion of someone’s performance to the goal of not simply retelling / portraying a real life series of events but something more, something that is truly memorable. Imitation of reality to the highest degree CAN work but often imo. if just feels bland and boring because frankly, it doesn’t give you something that would actually be worth remembering a lot of the time. The best parts of the office dialogue ( maybe even the majority of the entire show ) for example are not at all realistic. On the contrary. They are so highly stylised highlight reels that you would be hard pressed to find almost anyone talking like that in reality. Natural dialogue is, quite frankly, not entertaining unless the surrounding story makes up for it. The office is imo. not fun because it’s somewhat naturalistic, it’s fun because it pulls of this completely insane, freakishly surrealist parody of entirely exaggerated office drama. In summary, I disagree that the office is good because of its „naturalistic“ dialogue. I would go so far that often, it’s dialogue is deliberately absurd because no normal person would react as the characters on the show do to the amount of absurdity they are faced with on a daily basis.
no wayyy, a movie or show isn't exactly realistic with real life?? who would've known.. lol i don't understand why this video is even a thing.. is anyone debating why goblins and fairies don't exist outside of movies?
I'm assuming that you're referring to the US version? I only make that distinction because I found the UK version painfully, realistically cringeworthy. And I think a lot of that had to do with the way that in many office situations, people are already doing a 'bit'. We figure out where we sit in the pecking order, there are in-jokes that always have to be properly observed in order to maintain a sense of belonging in our little tribes, and the whole place is overseen by out of touch higher-ups who rarely know all the names - let alone the personalities - of those working under them. Every day is a sort of performance. It's real, but a group dynamic, cultivated over time and agreed upon with silent understandings of what is and isn't acceptable. Of course we find that similar idea replicated in many other areas of life (school, shared accommodations, clubs, societies, families etc) but there's something especially striking in the way in which we're expected to adopt a kind of cognitive empathy, along with a well-rehearsed role, in exchange for money, for 40 hours a week, that seems to give a more concrete concept of things being both "natural" and rehearsed "dialogue".
No, they don't. You might think your conversations are as witty and quirky and flowing as these, but I assure you they're not and people probably find you a bit pretentious if you try to do this shit.
@@childofthesun32 I actually know someone that sort of speaks like this. But thats because he grew up with no friends and bad parents, so all he'd consume is media like movies and videogames so the way he speaks is odd and verbose-y. Smart guy but yeah, he speaks like they do in movies.
This is what I love about A Clockwork Orange, everyone speaks exactly like Alex, even though you can tell they shouldn't sound like that (like the drunk homeless guy that gets beaten up at the start of the movie). It's exactly the type of thing an egocentric unreliable narrator such as Alex would do, and having it portrayed in a movie I assumed everything that's happening was canon is mind-blowing. I get that some people might think that it's due to how their futuristic english works, but it's so complex for ordinary conversations, and so uniform between characters that it makes me believe it's just Alex portraying everyone as him
I got really annoyed watching A Clockwork Orange because of how the characters talk, it sounds like they're just reading dialogue in literature rather than conversing. May watch again with this lens.
It might just be me, but ever since I was young, I felt like I had to have perfect conversations or pronunciation TV and movie actors are shown to have in the takes that are used. So, because of this, I'd always rehearse what I planned to say in my head to just about anyone. (Edit: I think it's defined as Analysis Paralysis.)
In a movie, a play or even a book, the author uses dialogue to communicate with the viewer; a vehicle for the characters to express feelings and ideas to the audience. Not for the characters to communicate with each other, because they don't need to. Sometimes the dialogue is very realistic, but other times it is very literary and flowery. As you said, "heightened". In the end, it's nothing but art; not a snapshot of reality, but an artist's vision of reality.
"strange cult following" is one way to say that this movie was marketed to appeal to teenage male audiences instead of the young-twenties girls it was meant for. We're all just discovering it now (Yhara Zayd did a really good video on why Jennifer's Body has a cult following, I'd check it out) +Also I agree with the comments saying the dialogue is camp. I connected with the dialogue not because its how I or my friends speak but because its the type of stupid slang speak every group of teen girls make up. It got the energy and intent of teen girl slang sooooo much better than [insert shitty teen flick of the month]
The funny thing is that I have autism. Every time you say “this is not how people talk” I was trying to figure out what was wrong. I am still not sure haha.
Kyle Randall i don't have autism & no idea what this guy is on about either. to be fair, i do a lot of writing & watching so maybe it's just an accidental thing.
This is actually a big part of why autism is so damaging to social encounters. It's not just that you can't communicate properly, it's that you're incapable of realizing that you aren't or understanding what you did wrong if someone points it out to you. It's also partly why those with autism prefer to speak via text than by word. If you really want to try and understand what he's going on about, listen to 7:24 again and don't focus so much on the exact words the characters are saying but rather focus on _how_ they are speaking: it's very messy, with lots of overlapping words that are sometimes even incoherent, and rapid jumps from one idea to another - the guy even stops mid-sentence and interrupts _himself_ with a different thought at the end when he says "you'll never be happy." What's cool about this scene is that they _are_ still communicating. If they weren't communicating then they would be each of them simply saying what they wanted without paying any attention to what the other was trying to say. Instead they are actively listening and responding to each others' words... but it's all super messy and chaotic because that's how people actually talk. If you want more of this kind of natural dialogue you can try listening to some more casual podcasts or videos where the people are just kinda hanging out and talking casually without a script, particularly the moments when there are multiple people talking excitedly about something and they start talking over one another (there are plenty of stuff like this out there but if you need a place to start then I know Jesse Cox does this a lot, so you can try his "Cox and Crendor in the Morning" podcast or "Scary Game Squad" videos.)
As someone with ADD (which is essentially a milder version of autism), I can certainly relate. Writing actually helped me a great deal as it provides an existential examination of dialogue. Nevertheless, I still have to exert great care in my own speech -- and even then, occasionally say something that falls flat or betrays the intended purpose. Words and inflection carry so much meaning. It's fascinatingly beautiful but also a curse.
Do you like anime? Speech Dialogue: "Only the connoisseur with the highest of IQs can truly enjoy anime" Naturalistic Dialogue: "Yes I do....Hentai too, HAHAHAHA"
@@Enzo-wx9jt no its a reference to Samuel L Jackson being asked if he likes anime and he responded "Yes I do, hentai too" and then laughed afterward. This is in the wired interview he did.
Really enjoy this style of video. It’s cool to compare a lot of different styles and examples covering a topic. I like the vids on a specific show/movie, but this is really compelling. Great job!
As an actor, I have to say something here I feel what this video doesn't take into account is the actor's delivery of the line. Good actors deliver the subtext, what's undergirding the line. It's their objectives and motivations and how well they are able to mesh the words with their motivations. It has to fit like a glove, This is why in every stylistic choice mentioned in this video, there are prime examples, even though good writing is important there are other factors like how it's directed and how its acted.
Yeah but the point remains: why are there details that will make your acting "good" yet they aren't what makes it more realistic? How can there even be a discrepancy here? Good acting would mean bringing characters to life. Bringing them to life means making them authentic, not "adding subtext".
@@hichaelhyers There is no discrepancy here. Making them realistic is part of being a good actor. I don't see any disagreement. What do you mean when you say there are good acting that doesn't make it realistic? Being authentic is a bigger umbrella category than subtext, being able to play subtext is PART of it, it's not mutually exclusive. I'm curious what caused you to make that distinction. An example. People do lie (and you know this) and one of the most popular sayings in which they lie is the statement :"I'm fine" a good actor knows how to play the subtext of it. It adds to it's authenticity
@@KeithLeeMH I disagree. In a movie, good acting will communicate to us the subtext that gives context to dialogue. In real life, we very often DON'T speak in a way that communicates our feelings or motivations, because real life has no obligation to be clear or compelling to outside observers. Real people don't always show subtext, real people sometimes say things awkwardly not for any emotional reason but because they just messed up their phrasing. Actors are trying to imitate a more clear and watchable version of real people. They are not trying to be realistic.
@@johnmorrell3187 I disagree, it depends on what's written and if the director is heading that direction. It depends on the film. Just because you have watched films who aren't trying to be realistic, doesn't mean there aren't films that are trying to be
@@johnmorrell3187 I've also never said an actor having objections and motivations means they should communicate them. This is understandable to actors as their toolkit, a baseline to be believable. It's not used to how you perceive it's being used. Real people don't always use subtext but they use it more often than you would like to think. It's true that people say things awkwardly not for any EMOTIONAL REASON. But that statement implies every actor playing a character in a show does it for an emotional reason, which craft wise, is also untrue. However everytime someone speaks there's ALWAYS intention behind it. That's what actors need to apply and what everyone in real life operates with as well
as a depressed person, i do sometimes think in the heart of it all, everyone can be an actor or actress. everyone can write their own story. it may not follow a style but that's okay. maybe in the case that the best comedians are generally the ones who know how to cry, it's the depressed that can show the means of struggle. be it mentally or physically. or the happiest that knows how to make a sad story. we each have our own blend. our own quirks. our own ideas.
What is the best movie you've seen recently? Looking for recommendations.
Also, I made a passing comment about Jennifer’s body here and vampires, obviously a film about possession, but she essentially behaves like a vampire in the film. Hence the comment lol doesn’t have much to do with the video but wanted to clarify for anyone that hasn’t already seen the film.
Jojo Rabbit!
Kung fu panda 3
apostle (caution gore, but incredible)
The wailing, antiporno, baby driver, midsommer
The lighthouse! Such a fantastic movie! And it definitely deserves a video from the one and only nerdstalgic!
Non naturalistic dialogs aren't what the characters would say, they are what the characters wish they had said when they replay the conversation in their heads while showering
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So?
@@gustavopereira4924 so?
@@whoisgliese so?
@@superieur11407 so.
I feel like naturalistic dialogue is severely under appreciated. It just makes characters easier to listen to.
Same! Even though I would rather use it for humans. The anthropomorphic animals however, need exaggerated dialogue and that’s okay.
YES
It’s funny that it’s true for a lot of people considering that for some people who don’t get much interaction I’m sure that the Tarantino style is easier to actually digest and understand. But honestly naturalistic dialogue feels raw, emotional, and interesting. It’s makes you understand the movie might not have so much action but it’s going to be super relatable
Very interesting, but i have to say there is also a huge problem most people forget, for everyone who is not born in an english speaking country its exactly the opposite. Especially when the movie only exists in English. If you are not used to hearing that way of speaking on a day-to-day basis you have a extremely hard time understanding anything at all, the same way some actors mumble to make a character seem more real, it feels alienating for people who speak English as a second language, so for a huge part of the world. Sure they can change the language to their own of this opinion exists but then you also loose a big part of what makes an actor interesting.
People should be aware of that
Easy to understand? Natural spoken word is more of a puzzle than a carefully worded script, how many times have you or another used the wrong words, didn't make clear what you actually mean or just fail to find the right word. At least actors are on the same page, realistic dialogue is often a mess. Contrary to what Nerd said, i find people use words as tools to getting what they want, using words as weapons. Words tend to be re-defined moment to moment resulting in words having lost their original meaning.
The most realistic dialogue pacing I've seen so far is in Uncut Gems. That constant overlapping over others and the repetition of sentences is _exactly_ how people talk -and it stressed me the hell out-
it made me angry; Adam Sandler did a great job playing such a goddamn annoying character
Loved that movie
THANK YOU. I was kinda sad that Uncut Gems wasn’t mentioned. Silver Lining’s Playbook had that same manic energy in the dialogue too.
Meyerowitz Stories also has that, again it's Adam Sandler.
Dude Uncut Gems is a great movie, but I'll NEVER watch it again cuz if I do I'll have a heart attack no cap
I always found a big difference between film dialogue and how normal people talk is that in movies, they speak full, eloquent monologues. In real life, you would probably stumble your words, pause to think of what to say, and get interrupted by someone.
After watching the video, Marriage Story is a great example of the way people actually talk
Or the Before Trilogy! It had such realistic talk
@@charlestonealmacen I haven't seen those! I'll have to have a look.
i’ve been thinking this
@@charlestonealmacen I think it's partly because it contains a lot of long takes, where the camera is focused on the two people talking nonstop, so that it all seems very natural, fluid and realistic!
Why doesn’t anyone mention the masterful dialogue in The Room?
“Oh, hi Mark.”
That's *Quantum Dialogue*
I did not hit her, I did naaawt!
*oh god oh man oh god oh man oh god oh man oh god*
you're my best friend!
Leave your stupid comments in your pocket!
Ideal language is what I've often referred to as "people don't talk this way in real life, but when you hear it, you kind of wish they would."
It also follows the literary goal of: people in fiction should be more interesting than real people, because real people are usually boring.
@@timseguine2 eh, not necessarily. It’s that we often don’t get to know and understand real people. People’s humanity and interest is not laid out for us neatly in narrative or stylized dialogue
@@timseguine2 I disagree, people are interesting, quite interesting. But they are not expressed as a film with, quirky Heightened dialogue, you have to get to know them. That's the difference in fiction because we are already in the context of the characters and their mentalities.
@@kstar1489 My friend Tina kept saying, "I always fall in love with fictional characters instead of real people, because I know them inside out. Fictional characters are explained to me. I understand their backstory, their motives, their feelings. Real people are just this blurry, chaotic mass."
My brother described Tarantino writing as “you know that perfect comeback that you think of a few seconds too late? Tarantino characters always land that comeback, first time, every time.”
I think an unnaturalistic dialogue is like a text between two people. We wait the other person to finish saying their words, we think a little before we text so that we have a better choice of words and expressing our thoughts. There is no stutter, pause or repeating in a text. Its the way we imagine a conversation with someone in our heads. Simply flawless
I'd wish people actually texted like that.
I read this as if it were pulled straight from this video essay. And no i wouldn't normally call it a "video essay". I had to think through my vocabulary first. 😄
@@pablorepetto7804Yeah I agree, the thinking doesn't really lead to a better word choice for me... Often the more I think about a text the stranger it becomes. Better to go with my first response, however flawed it may be.
Its all about perspective- the more people I meet and interact with in life, the more i realize that even the most outlandish-seeming characters and dialogue can definitely be found in real life. Its one of the things that makes meeting new people unique
Yeah, it goes by a name; charisma.
Yeah this video was dum narrow minded video
same, a few of my 'friends' have a cartoonish-like way of talking and its interesting to see
@Onlinerando
certainly though communication involves people so we have to know different types of people to get a grasp of how they communicate
I mean yea sure that’s more or less correct but there’s a big spectrum here of how people communicate there’s people that interrupt more even all the time and interrupt very little to none same thing goes for stumbling and the spectrum of communication for people goes on and on etc etc
can you tell me where you got the information that these things you listed make it hard for people to follow the plot cuz I’ve never heard anyone say this nor heard it anywhere before
@Onlinerando That just sounds like he's describing the average nerd. Most of my conversations are just like The Sopranos & it's a large reason why that show's dialogue is so popular, because it's realistic, vulgar & funny. They speak exactly like how Bros & Brothers in Arms speak to each other. Not all of us pepper our speech with countless "UMs" & "UHs"
You can't talk about realistic dialogue without talking about The Room.
you can
"I did not hit her. I did naaaaaat!!! Oh hi Mark"
I heard someone say that last week.
... where it happened.
Can't forget The Breakup and Revolutionary Road
YoU'rE tEAriNg mE ApARt, LiSa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Nobody talks like Jules" I knew a guy who talked exactly like Jules. Exactly. Even unironically misquoting bible verses to excuse violence.
So he sounds like samuel l jackson
@@johnindigo5477 holy fuck this guy met samuel l jackson
@@johnindigo5477 yes but even more hostile
I think the point is that you need two or more people to make a conversation, and even if you somehow find someone who do speaks like Jules, they probably won't get a conversation like the ones featured in these films because of everything else.
Lmaoo
"Nobody talks like this."
Yoda: "Human, I am not. On you, the joke is."
lmaoo
You sound like a Nigerian
@@doomwalker9934 ??
@@yurimessiah I think he means me
@@doomwalker9934 Nigerian Yoda
The dialogue and non-linear storyline are what made Pulp Fiction so good and iconic.
Tarantino writes language as if the characters are actually listening to eachother. Not unrealistic, but rare.
This dragon guy fucks
it makes the characters words and ideas feel very deliberate
@@noone-ss8lu his fleshlight
yeah if you ignore that cops and criminals do not talk like cinema geeks
@@darthbigred22 are you a cop ? or a criminal ?
My favorite thing about Nerdstalgic is something that I've never seen anyone point out before. He's the only content creator that publishes video essays in the aspect ration of the source material. This video is in 21:9, his video on Hey Arnold is in 4:3, and his videos on The Office are in 16:9. Maybe it's because I use an ultrawide monitor, but something about it helps me get so much more immersed. So... thanks for that.
Oh i agree, also i feel content when watching his videos like his videos are meditative lol.
Do you feel happy watching his videos?
Except the movies here aren't all 2.35, Marriage story is 1.66 for example. the aspect ratio isn't respected.
yea most people cant see 21:9
I love this video, don't get me wrong, but this subject was exposed by Nerdwriter before, even referring to the same examples. Which is fine, he is adding on top of that, I'm not saying he is copying or anything. This was a great video.
i mean... channel name being nerdsomething, rhythm of speech, choice of figures of speech used in the structure of the script, stylistic choice of motion and text graphics, editing style and subject matter aren't by themselves subject to copyright, but damm does this dude made sure everything here is basically a bootleg relative of the Nerdwriter videos....
Me not being a native English speaker: Wait, it sounds normal though.
Lmao thanks
Well I think that would be because the majority of English dialogue is in some way scripted. You don't really get to speak the day to day English like the people living in the USA.
I think if English is somebody's first language there is so much context in the way we speak because of social norms or cultural reasons, or what's normal and what's not. We can learn languages academically but emotion and context is really important. Like if someone says " what is wrong with you?" The manner in which they say it can change the whole meaning.
Totally me! I’m not exposed to native English speakers often other than my teachers, and most of my experience with the language stems from movies, books and music. It all seems normal to me because I’ve never been in an English speaking environment for long.
same
The fact that this video used the OST from Arrival, a movie about interpreting an alien language while discussing film dialogue and natural language, just reinforces how wonderful this channel is.
Is it the track at 9:15? Sounds so familiar
that's not the OST, it's a licensed piece by Max Richter Denis Villeneuve specifically wanted to use
It's just On The Nature Of Daylight by Max Richter. I swear I've heard it in more than just The Arrival (great movie btw) but I've heard it most recently in episode 3 of The Last Of Us. It's a very emotionally resonant song but the rest of the songs off the same album, The Blue Notebook by Max Richter is very good. I also really enjoy his other material. Very introspective-feeling music.
Also used in shutter Island
@@ohhimark8028 Great to know. I'll be sure to read more about it.
"Everyone in the movie talks like Quentin Tarantino, except Quentin Tarantino, because when he does show up his staggeringly bad acting means he can't even deliver lines in the style of Quentin Tarantino." - Mark Kermode
Hey this is kind of random but I am going mad... what song is playing 0:10-0:44? It’s on the tip of my tongue but I just can’t remember. I’ve been obsessing over it for the past 24 hours... It sounds a bit like Her or Revolutionary Roads.
@@bucketarchitect Hand Covers Bruise
@@bucketarchitect thanks!
"shut up blacky"
I used to assume this was the case, but more recently, I've been questioning whether there might be more to it. By portraying the biggest loser in every one of his films that he appears in, Tarantino was able to get away with things that he might have otherwise been criticized for (such as, for example, using the N-word).
A video about how people talk spoken entirely in "video essay" voice.
A comment about how people talk written entirely in "haughty commenter" tone.
@@SodiumWage Well played sir
@@SodiumWage a reply about how people write, written entirely in a “cleverly superior” voice
@@RhysGBiv a, um, like, how's the name of that? ah yeah yeah, a-a reply about these stuff, written entirely these in movie quote sorta shit
I know you're making a joke, but a "video essay voice" works for a video essay and "unnatural movie dialogue" works for movies where the characters aren't supposed to be relatable or "real" people. When the writers or director try to present a character that you're supposed to believe could be someone who lives next door and they speak in perfect "movie dialogue" it can be jarring.
God imagine if people spoke like how JoJo characters spoke, that would make life so much more interesting. You walk up to a Mc Donalds and the guy behind the cash register poses at you and says “You want a burger and I know that because I’m very precise you see. I can tell from looking at your body that you’re a meat eater, however, that meat is usually consumed in a unhealthy amount and of unhealthy quality. Do you know who the polish painter Zdzisław Bekiński? In most of his paintings he would draw broken and blackened worlds with large destroyed buildings. I work here because this run down McDonalds reminds me of his work.”
People who talk like that I'd immedialty want to be their friend XD
I literally speak like a Jojo character but I have an arcane vocabulary lol
@@tobiramasenju6290 Lmao that's amazing! I can relate, if i'm ever talking about something i know very well or lecturing my siblings I speak in literary vocabulary (like "How Repulsive! How vulgar!") and they'll say i sound too wordy😂
@@cakertaker_1013 verbose is the word they're looking for. Next time they say that come back at them with, "you mean verbose" and smirk lol
Ultimately we are afraid to speak our minds, because saying the unexpected had have wildly unexpected results. Do we want to risk making a friend? an enemy? our minds opened by someone else? No, better to say safe, follow the script, smile and say goodbye like robots, our minds and lives safe and secure.
When I was a young kid I was super shy and awkward. Since I wasn’t very social I would frame how I interacted with people based off movie dialogue…that made it so much worse lmao.
Same-💀
super shy super shy but wait a minute while i make you mine make you mine
Lol wtf
Yeah try acting like Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction and see how far that gets you, they would call the police or you will be laughed out of the room
Me FR.
The thing about Jules' bible verse is that he actually mentions in the movie that it's something that he has rehearsed and said to people multiple times before he has killed them because he thought it was a bad ass thing to say. So it's actually one of the few times a Tarantino dialogue was a bit realistic because he admits to rehearsing it.
one of the few times? it's always realistic
I don’t think it’s “one of the few times” but you’re right to point that first bit out
@CORKY yes I've seen them all. No I'm not kidding. Tarantino is renowned for writing natural sounding dialogue. He has even said in an interview that the only reason he believes there must be a god is because he has a god-given talent for writing realistic dialogue. Kinda big headed lol, but his writing is good.
Have YOU ever seen them?
@@yourmum69_420 exactly remember that scene i think reservoir dogs where the characters are discussing the song like a virgin and one of the characters misinterpret it as a song about a woman sleeping with an extremely endowed man which causes her sexual discomfort as if it was her first sexual experience and then argued about tipping the waitress? Thats legit how me and my group of friends talk about various subjects even out in public, outside of say hateful 8 his scripts are how REAL people communicate with one another especially when they're familiar with each others personalities and quirks
@@yourmum69_420 bro have you seen how people talk or argue in real life ? It sounds awful. Tarantino's dialogue is not "natural" . It's highly optimised and that's what so great about it
Omg one day I noticed how unhuman dialogue can be in tv and movies and I cant unsee it. It’s horrible
Hmmmm. I’ve also found out how unrealistic dialogue can be in certain shows and films.
When its that noticeable, its just bad writing. Its not you, its the setting and characters not matching the dialouge.
Ritvik depends on the universe though. I wouldn’t expect someone a long time ago in a galaxy far far away to talk like your average Joe from earth nowadays.
@@Slender_Man_186true. Setting is important.
I always annoy my wife by pointing out exposition lol
I don’t like sand.
It’s coarse, and rough, and irritating. And it gets everywhere.
such perfection, it really is ideal dialogue
The most real a dialog ever put in the media
It's like Poetry. It Rhymes!
"SHUT UP RANDOM JEDI" !!
Is it possible to learn this power? I pledge myself to your teachings
I think Smiling Friends is one of the examples of naturalistic dialogue in a comedic setting done right.
The way characters often overlap their dialogue in the most mundane conversations, how their eyes and faces dart everywhere when they're listening to someone else talking, and all the self-interruptuons mid sentence. "you know like obvi- yeah...you know?"
I think it's brilliant.
the fricken phone call in smiling friends go to brazil is one of the most accurate and relatable things i think i have ever seen
it seems improvised sometimes
I truly believe smiling friends is a great example of good writing
this and home movies definitely feel real and i appreciate them so much, partially because they are REAL(ly) improvised :) .
I adore the dialogue in SF for exactly this reason. First thing I thought of
"Why does every movie UA-camr sound like Nerdwriter. That's not how people talk. Today we will explore ... _dramatic pause_ ... why." _cue intro music_
Bro, same. 😂
lmao I thought the exact same thing especially the piano thing in the beginning
I even wondered whether Nerdwriter and Nerdstalgic are in fact the same person.
@@bibobeuba me too... are they the same?
This just got ironic
My wife loves “Gilmore Girls” but I couldn’t put my finger on why it bugged me. This helps it make sense. It is played overly scripted. No one ever interrupts anyone, people always have the perfect response whatever the situation. Every scene is like “line, punchline, response” repeat ad infinitum.
I'll add this, and think about it when she inevitably watches the series for the umpteenth time on Netflix: every main character speaks in Amy Sherman-Palladino's voice.
Yep - sometimes, because everyone is so witty and snarky, the dialogue almost sounds interchangeable between characters too.
@@Exobably dude that's like every sitcom. The big bang theory all have the same comments except in varying levels of intelligence
@@queuetwo to be fair I feel it works better in Gilmore Girls than Big Bang Theory.
And it boils down to the story being told. In Big Bang Theory it just feels awkward and a bit jarring, whilst in Gilmore Girls it's fluid and more tasteful.
That said it is noticable and at times can break immersion.
@@queuetwo true but Gilmore girls is more of a drama. It feels very over scripted for a drama imo I cant stand it
In my creative writing class my teacher told me:
No one talks like how dialogue is written
So, the whole dialogue should be realistic thing is false really
For dialogue to feel 'realistic' it just needs to make sense in your story and provides purpose
If your dialogue serves those two purposes, your dialogue should be fine
That’s a bit like saying “For a drawing to look good, all you need to do is draw lines and color between them”.
Vinay Malut It's more like saying : A drawing will never replicate reality 100%, for a drawing to be feel realistic it does not need to be true to reality, only to convey the characteristic and feeling.
The teacher was stating what a good dialogue "is" and not "how it's done", I find that piece of advice interesting. Thanks Lukasafer
I think it's less making the dialogue actually realistic but "realistic" to the universe you are trying to create, like within the story and presentation as a whole.
@@chrastopheria1235 The word you were looking for is _consistent_
The script for Clerks is still one of my favorites. I always felt like, even if it wasn't exactly how people talked, it sounded enough like how people THINK they talk to make it sound like there was no script.
Why does the way he speaks works? Because he's Samuel L. Jackson
OMG your even here?! Why? Dude Your a Legend 😂🤣
@Quinn McDonnell He has many copycats, you gotta watch out.
For a moment I thought you put. Because it's Motherf***king Samuel L Jackson.
Sir, with respect, shoo.
He's hamuel L. Jackson from the movie pork fiction.
Characters often don’t talk like people and that’s perfectly ok. Movies are a heightened version of real life and dialogue is a heightened version of real speech.
If dialogue was like real life many movies would be much less enjoyable.
I share the same opinion. Nothing wrong with "ordinary dialogues" of course, I don't think they're boring. But I also love when the characters have more complex or interesting dialogues even if you have to sacrifice some realism.
True. If you want "real life," it's going on all around you every day. If movies weren't a distraction from the ordinary, there'd be no point for their existence in the first place.
@@philmann3476 lmfao what a joke. Movies don’t exist solely to do anything. Movies aren’t only escapism. Movies can be a magnifying glass on life. It can be literally anything. I think it’s quite condescending and insulting that you think this way.
depends, if it's an "arguing scene" i prefer a realistic approach, closer to home
Oh yess agreed. Stories are meant to be exaggerated in certain places.
Zucc in the social network is unrealistic, he's way too human.
"You can't sneak up on Zuck; I don't even fucking blink / I'm the CEO at Knowing What You Think, Inc." Say what you will about the cats over at ERB, but they got the robotic nature of the Zuck bang on proper quality.
Hold up... If a robot created the most popular human social network in the world, does that mean the singularity already happened?
I think "naturalistic dialogue" in films generally leaves out several aspects of actual natural language. It's rare for writers to include lots of "pause fillers" like um and er, which are derided in public speaking but an important cue in communication between people in real life. "Huh?" or "what?" are only used if a character is meant to be self-centered or rude, when really there are lots of reasons people need someone to repeat what they said. They also leave out the slow pace of many conversations, and particularly the awkward pauses.
When dialogue *does* include these things, I've noticed, instead of feeling realistic and natural, in film it comes across as surreal.
I'm imagining a book playing around with this; could have two characters' words printed over the top of each other when they start to speak over one another.
would be gimmicky, but kinda fun.
if something is a little too human-like it can come across as uncanny.i suppose this also applies to dialogue in movies.
How do people talk again it’s been 8 months Since i’ve talked to one
You've missed a lot more than "a gas shortage & a flock of seagulls". Stay as you are. lol.
So true🤣🤣
Milk tea I asked my neighbor who he is and if he’s a his and his he’s he said hee hee
8 months? Try it for 25 years to get on my level.
@@ronnickels5193 painn
I frequently find myself thinking, “Who talks like that?” while watching TV and movies.
The worst was from the show, Gilmore Girls. My ex watched it all the time and I couldn't stand the way they spoke. Completely inhuman speech patterns.
The examples provided in the video, I feel like I have seen people that have spoke in these ways.
The interesting thing is that TV & Film could be affecting how people are talking IRL.
Lavjot legit tho. I sometimes catch myself unironically using those cringey sayings that are always in tv shows and I’m like what was that lol. Maybe I just need to get out more lol.
Its almost like it's a piece of art and NOT real life.
Heightened language for heightened characters goes back to Aristotle's "Poetics", so you're building on a long tradition of understanding that our storytelling doesn't have to be naturalistic, and in fact maybe shouldn't be, to be effective!
Then again it can get positively exhausting when the mailroom clerk is a goddamned Gilbert and Sullivan expert
I had the same thought! Aristotle is probably spinning in his grave about Marriage Story and the awful, flawed (and human) communication in it.
Fully agree. 💯
Especially if there's something you want to highlight. if the whole point is that the characters are just like someone you'd meet irl, then go for it. But if the point is some other idea, and the way the characters talk is getting in the way of that for the sake of "realism", then it's just doing yourself and the audience a disservice. It might seem cluttered, confusing, and erroneously draw attention to something that wasn't intended to be.
Aristotle’s “Poetics”, trumps this video. Don’t listen to the malarkey contained within this video. Just read the “Poetics”, instead.
It's pretty difficult to write a structured narrative with truly realistic dialogue. A lot of times, conversations don't have real clear intent. They just happen. Even when there is clear intent, the words that need to be said are often not said and when they are, their generally not poetic nor are they attention-grabbing. Real life drama takes very long to unfold and navigate through and most times people aren't even sure what the source of the drama was. Even I'm finding it difficult in my attempt to put words together to explain how messy real life conversations and drama is.
For example, you could just simply drift away from old friends not due to a big event or a big fight, but you just simply care less and less about them or you quietly realize that you never really valued their friendship or something. Or maybe a big fight does happen but it's normal to just not see each other again some time and then act like nothing happened when you meet each other again. I've known people like this. No dramatic talks about making up and setting aside differences. In a movie, this would be jarring and may confuse the audience.
Basically, real life is messy. In order to tell an effective story, most of the time, a structured narrative is required. So real life needs to be heightened just a little.
I think the amount of hate that that scene in Marriage Story got just goes to show how little people are aware of this aspect of filmmaking-they thought that Scarlett and Adam’s performances were horrible when they were actually extremely accurate. It sounds stupid because it IS, that is just how we talk to each other when emotions take over and we no longer are able to carefully chose words.
I got a lot of hate? I thought everyone knew it was good
@@demonictowtoe7983 the argument scene and scarletts dancing scene were torn apart on Twitter for being awkward and humorous because that’s all people saw. I remember being kind of annoyed with having to see it be made fun off constantly and said to be “bad acting” when they are literally Oscar nominated actors 💀
@@Eccovi isnt the writer of the screenplay known for his realistic dialogue?
@@demonictowtoe7983 yes but my point is people didn’t recognize nor appreciate that and ignorantly passed it off as poor writing
@@Eccovi lmao you lost me when you mentioned Twitter
I'm autistic and a lot of the time I do speak in an oddly 'scripted' way because I tend to plan out what I'm going to say before speaking to somebody... I've been told many times that I sound like I'm performing a monologue or a speech.
Me too. It can be tough to get others to realize what we’re really saying without any pre-scripted framework, as The Take’s video essay on Abed Nadir puts it.
same here, it makes me upset how people say "normal people dont talk like this" applying that neurodivergent arent normal
I'm not autistic myself (I'm told I have a personality disorder though), but I know a lot of people who have Asperger's, so I recognize the speaking style. Personally, I prefer more "scripted"-sounding dialogue in movies and shows, if only because dialogue that sounds like it's trying to be natural always comes off sounding so much LESS so.
@@gabe_s_videos I like a mixture of both, sometimes things that are overly scripted and rigid seem 'fake' (*cough* riverdale 🤢 *cough*), but I agree with you that trying too hard to be naturalistic can also do the same.
@@golgothazTerror well what do you think the "divergent" part of "neurodivergent" LITERALLY means? You're diverging FROM THE NORM. "Normal" isn't a value judgement, is a statistical reality.
I remember I used to be part of this friend group that, if they didn't talk in "perfect dialogue" would come at least close sometimes. It was a group made up of very smart, very witty people, and every line spoken had to be funny, had to build on whatever bit they were doing on the fly. Being around them was entertaining as hell, but man was it stressful trying to keep conversations at dialogue standard.
Okay, it's not just me. I was trying to figure out what he was on about and I guess I'm just in that sort of friend group
@Sushiirull can't be, "no one talk like _that_ 🙄
@Sushiirull lol unus annus anyone?
Me and my room mates once threw a party and invited several close friends over, and they brought a handful of new people over. About an hour into the night, one of the new people had to come out and say that being in a room with us felt like they had walked into the shooting of a sitcom, because we are like that in our group. The other new people then all nodded and voiced their agreement with that sentiment. We hadn't realized it, but somehow it is as if we had been conditioned to act in an entertaining manner, but for us it is more like a pastime. It's easy to pass a lot of time enjoying yourself when everyone is playing the game of trying to make each other laugh or react in a positive way. It really does make for a great sort of puzzle. Finding new people to talk to that can keep up makes it even more fun, because everyone has their own set of tactics and characteristics to their sort of humor and their own flavor of charm.
Those type of friend groups are what is often known as "pretentious"
The Sopranos is an example of the show where the dialogue is somewhat exaggerated at times but truly does reflect real and mundane life. As someone from New Jersey, it is extremely refreshing to see such well written dialogue that comes so naturally out of the characters. Truly a masterpiece of a show.
This is why you can't just say "Dialogue should be realistic" or "Dialogue shouldn't be realistic." There's no universal rule, no quick fix, that you can just follow to automatically succeed and malign everyone else for not following. As you say, it's a stylistic choice, and whatever you choose, what matters is doing it well.
I love tarintino because he knows how to make a conversation in a movie just as interesting as a fight scene would be in other movies
Tarantinos dialogues are more interesting than most fight scenes in A-tier action movies
Tarantino dialogue is awesome because it's very confrontational, and often strangely insightful in unexpected ways
Exactly - someone can argue that it's not entirely realistic, but regardless Tarantino is an excellent dialogue writer. IMHO, in his less stylized films it's closer to reality than not. It also seems like his actors never have difficulty delivering it.
@@jdraven0890 if I'm correct, Tarantino calls his movie universe (yes, they are all connected) a reality more real than reality itself. In his reality realer than ours, his "realistic" movies like Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs happen, and they go to the cinema and watch Kill Bill.
@@ollikoskiniemi6221 I love the thought of those characters going to see Kill Bill :) You must be right because in Once Upon a Time... Rick Dalton starred in a WW2 movie that resembled Inglorious Bastards, and there's no way that was done unintentionally.
I’ve noticed this with my sister. She watches lots of Disney sitcoms, and her dialect has changed, lots more pauses for non existent laugh tracks and much more saying stuff as if we(aka the audience) should already know it because she does. (She’s 8)
Edit: the only difference is that Disney sitcoms aren’t exactly poetic.
I'm pretty sure it is a common feature for the age.
Like, I remember a time when I said like "my grandma/grandpa/mother/father" like everyone would understand even though they never met my relatives.
It was actually a shock to me realising that everyone has their own perception and they can't know what they don't meet the same way I don't know who are their parents if I never met them.
Anyway, I don't think this is a television thing, it is more of an age thing, I didn't watch TV when I was growing up and it was long untill I got the senses of narrative. Movies were only pretty scenes where I lacked a sense of connection between cause and effect and all of it, except if it was really simple.
About the pauses... Maybe you are right. But I guess is more because we talk the way we listen.
Even if I talk or watch a lot of videos with some accent I start to pick that up, the same way sitcoms have a rythm on which you can pick up.
It happens a lot with me and new stcoms or youtube channels, I'm starting to talk and suddenly I'm talking like vsauce or some other channel
@@NoisqueVoaProduction many of the youtubers I watch are British. I’m American. So one day I said some British slang on autopilot to my grandma and friend and they were like ?¿ and I couldn’t figure out why until later lol
Dude I have never seen or heard a kid do that ever pause for non existent laugh tracks the other one is normal but not this one
Your sister watches way too many Disney sitcoms. Although i don't judge her, i always get influenced by what i watch or read.
my 6yo brother narrates for his non existent audience the events of his daily life. he's doing imaginary vlogging. it is absolutely because he watches too much youtube. he makes jokes with references he doesn't understand but yet uses them correctly. children are mimicking human behaviour from media more so than real life
This is one of the most important videos I've ever seen in terms of screenwriting. I love this channel.
I've done conversation analysis, and when transcribed you see that most natural dialogues are trainwrecks. People barely speak in complete sentences, and they talk past and over each other constantly. So I'm very fascinated with that unscripted bit in Twin Peaks when a guy mishears something, and Cooper has to repeat his line. That's how people talk, but you never see it on screen.
I feel like this doesn't apply to other languages. Would be nice to find out
@@cedar4539 Interesting! I'm a German speaker. I think it's the sentance structures.
@@cedar4539 I know what you mean. I end up speaking Denglish at home with my family who are the same (mix of German and English)
@@cedar4539 exactly! i have this same feeling when i try to express certain feelings or descriptions in my native language and it’s not ‘’available’’, it’s something so crazy to think about it.
If you’re talking about Lynch and Cooper’s scenes, I think those were scripted. But I agree those scenes are realistic and great.
So, could you look into how movie dialogue affects natural speech? You say “people don’t talk like this,” but to some extent I think some people do, due to the influence of cinema and TV. You can absolutely notice that some people will try and sound quirky like Juno, or project a confident persona that’s quite clearly based on their favourite movie character. I’d be really interested in if such feedback exists and where it shows up?
My boyfriend is a total smart ass. He’s witty, funny, very quick on his feet, and talks in a way that sounds almost too intelligent. Almost like a movie script. I’ve seen the kinds of movies he watched growing up, and I’d totally agree with you on the “due to influence” part. He was practically raised on comedies, and marvel, and movies like pirates of the Caribbean and it definitely shows in his speech. Super interesting
As a kid and to a lesser extent today I enjoy imitating accents and generic ideas of characters from films to either add a bit of comedy to a situation or when it feels relevant. When cooking Italian food I might imitate an Italian. I have mocked rich people for not understanding poor/normal lifestyle by taking on a British accent and code switching to fancy vocab and doing the "mmm, yess". When trying to explain something technical and dry in a humorous fashion I overexaggerate a nerdy persona with a lisp and make references to imaginary gear (pocket protectors, calculator, inhaler). Or if I'm going for a humorous jab I might choose a Shakespearean thou/thy 2nd person singular and a bunch of archaic insults.
@Akshay 786 never seen them but I think I saw a short review or analysis and yeah. I’m 25, and might have been 22/23 when I saw that review, so school is still pretty fresh in my mind...
From those little snippets, yeah, it seemed like he totally nailed natural speech, both in terms of vocab and structure, but also in intent and emotion. (Like the kids were mocking someone for not being allowed to have Snapchat in one of the scenes I remember and it was VERY true to life)
Most of my personality and morals have honestly been influenced by what I've seen on movies and television. It's just who I've always been. Some people have said I have some kind of identity crisis, but I have always looked at it as sometimes media, because it's scripted, knows exactly the right things to say, when to say them, and how you should say them. It could literally turn somebody who isn't socialable at all into someone who can formally express themselves.
This is ABSOLUTELY true; 😤
As a teenage girl I really liked the dialogue in Jennifers body because it sounded like how me and my friends talked. The slang is made up but you still know what it means so it feels like the local sayings that only kids at that highschool would know. They sound goofy and dumb (and hilarious) because they're goofy and dumb kids, which makes the horror of what happens to Jennifer, the town, and Needy all the more poignant. Also it allows for a lot of great jokes and catchphrases that are usually what cements a film as an icon of the teen genre, think mean girls. So I actually think the dialogue is really good!
Teens do speak that way. If other characters not teens do this, it can be distracting from the story, or can be annoying, or can work against the character development. Since we are watching a movie we accept it, if it works within the story. Watch a screwball comedy and the actors are speaking in an artificial and speeded up way but the word is verisimilitude (if I spelled it right), it means feel right or like it could happen that way. And there is not enough time anyways to speak in the slower way real nonfictional characters in real life speak. Movies will have the dragged out parts speeded up and the lag times deleted.
A really smart explaination, Hanna. Greetings from Italy
Am I the only one who was never a dumb kid?
@@MrParkerman6 Lucky you.
@@MrParkerman6 yeah you’re the only one it’s just you
It's crazy how many different artforms go into making a film. From the obvious to the minute, whether it be dialogue, cinematography or acting, all the way down to sound design, typography, colour grading, editing, vfx, production design, costume design, etc. As a musical artist I love the fact that everything I make is 99% my own work. Sure, we use drum recordings, maybe a few ad-libs etc, but for the most part, I can put out a song and confidently say that I produced the entire thing - it all came from me. I think if I were in film I'd be a little proud, or stubborn. I'd want to do EVERYTHING myself to achieve my vision, which just isn't practical on the enormous scale of a feature length film. And I know the director kind of oversees each step, but they're still at the mercy of hundreds of people. I really just admire how cohesively so many different people can work together to create something beautiful that makes sense.
I don't "adorable" is the word for it.
Yeah, man. As someone that is in both the film and music world, I can tell you that film has taught me how to work well with other people and let them contribute ideas in my music. I’m getting better at it everyday
Imagine seeing major films with more organic human speech mannerisms. Yawning, hiccuping, burping, sneezing, coughing and mumbling which isn't used for comedic effect, creative licence or plot. Mispronounciations, stutters, crutch words, and pauses done both a spontaneous and unpredictable way, just as is in life. Indie films incorporate that element of imperfection quite well.
The razor-sharp delivery, quippy wit and sarcasm-ladened dialogue we've all come accustomed to in larger films I feel is sometimes so far removed from how we vocalise many of our day-to-day experiences.
that's why Noah Baumbach's movies come to mind, he can really capture how ordinary the way dialogues actually are, specially in The Meyerowitz Stories
I mean if someone did that, it could also be misconstrued as just bad acting or sloppy directing but could definitely be interesting if it were intentional.
My personal favorite mannerism would be the "I've stumbled on this sentence twice now, so let's talk about something else." I like it so much that I use it almost daily.
Part of the reason we enjoy movies is so we don't have to see much, if any, of the unimportant in-between's. Who wants to see a random burp, fart or sneeze unless it moved the story forward somehow? I can appreciate the odd mistake or two in a song, but don't give me the "practiced" version full of flaws, give me your best, least-flawed product, but not so flawless it's unrelatable.
I'd love to see more films like that. It would be cool to have more films with characters who act closer to real-life human behavior. It's not that every film needs to have only realistic dialogue, but I think it will do a lot to add diversity to the way films are presented and add a sense of naturalness to it. Sometimes realistic dialogue would work better than dramatic dialogue, and sometimes vice versa. It's good to have a balance of both.
Honestly though. Pulp fiction absolutely nails realistic conversation flow, absolutely my favorite script ever written. The french big mac is an amazing example of something stupid we talk about in real life, and then bring it back as a lot of the things we say in a day are because we heard or saw it earlier. Pulp fictions script is heavily stylized but still has a lot of realism to it.
Yeah I always thought quarantino nailed realistic dialogue , cause yes speech can be messy , but when you sit down to talk to people you know its very fluid, which quarantino nails all the time IMO.
Wasn’t it Quarter Pounder with Cheese? It’s been a while since the last watch so I’m not sure.
@@xym07 that's an ethiopian with a yeast infection.
butt for real.
Holland (&most of non-US world) is metric, thus the Royale with Cheese.
Lè Big Mac
Remembering this film recently helped me with my frustrating experience navigating the German McDonald's menu. Haha
What the fuck are you guys saying? He showed that as an example of UNrealistic dialogue. Tarantino movies are the first ones that come to my mind when I think larger than life, exaggerated dialogue. Literally nobody talks like the characters in his movies, delivering zinger after zinger. I think yall missed the point
I got this notification right as My English teacher was lecturing my class about choosing good dialogue.
Now that I think about it, Nerdstalgic has taught me more about great storytelling than any English teacher I've ever had.
It’s just put into a more entertaining format, teachers dont get that luxury as they have to cover far more than just pop culture
@@fatastrophe9854 I understand that. I really think teachers get the short end of the stick when it comes to these types of things. I'm just putting an observation out there.
You're spoiled for even having that.
Portuguese teachers in Brazil are soulless essay tutorial machines.
I used to read a lot, wanted to be a writer but then essay mania started running wild.
RSB-Miasma calling others spoiled wont help anything, if you want to do something dont let anything stop you
@@SilverlineXZero It boils my blood how education systems steal the curiosity and will to learn and be great from students by forcing them to do useless mindless work in the most unmotivating ways. All in the name of making more money from test scores and which schools are the best and such.
Brilliant background music choice in this video. Really allows your words to not just be heard, but felt.
Ever since I was a kid I thought it was weird how perfectly movie characters typically talk. Most movies don’t have their characters going “oh uh... well...” and stumbling over each other’s words, which is something that happens every day.
Nice pfp
"oh..uh...well" is more realistic. I see that especially in romantic comedy movies.
I just stop talking instead of uming. Like I'm sure I look like a crazy person. But I'll be looking up in the air like I'm searching for the word above my head or something.
Even just say words when I suddenly remember them.
Was asked yesterday about the name of one of the meats on the cheese board I out together. Couldn't think of it. About 10 minutes later I announced it in the middle of a new conversation, just interupting everyone because I'm a dork.
if they did the movie will be long, and hard to watch
"Nobody talks like this"
No, HEALTHY people don't talk like this.
@C C this is exactly how I felt, as corny as it sounds. This guy clearly hasn’t met and crackheads
I know right! Lucky guy, probably never had anyone talk to him in bible 😅
@C C you don't need to be mentally ill or an asshole to create stuff. That's just some nonsense people say.
as an unhealthy person who becomes obsessed with media ur exactly right.
that’s so true
I agree with most of this, but Jennifer’s Body I think is written that way because it’s camp. You’re not supposed to feel really like these are real people. The fact that they’re tropes is the whole point and is used to highlight the message, that we fear and make monsters out of female sexuality
I hate this argument... "the characters are shit because thats what the author wanted" well, ok. No wonder the product was shit. Jennifers body is just another product of cult followings over analizing enterteinment and founding hidden meanings in places that they dont exist. If a message isnt properly convey without someone else telling you about it, that message is flawed. So yeah, jennifers body isnt any hidden masterpiece
@@sebastiandelgado2525 well I'm pretty sure there was a message in that movie. I mean the director said it and apparently Megan Fox wanted that role a lot bc she felt like it portrayed how she felt during that time of her being an actor. But ya know, messages can be subjective.
@@sebastiandelgado2525 it's okay if you didn't get it, it's just a movie that wasn't meant for you.
SilentSirenn this!
@Lego Veggie Tales Director's Cut maybe it wasn't supposed to be an argument in that sense? Every statement about art doesn't have to be an argument for or against its merits. Maybe the point was, "it's OK for some people to like something that you don't."
If anyone is curious, the track at 7:39 is The Nature of Daylight by Max Richter, one of my favourite pieces, the appearance of which in media I always appreciate (another example of its appearance is the introduction scene of the film Arrival).
idk i think Jennifers body's dialogue really works,, i think the point of the movie was for things to be over the top??
exactly, its called camp.
men hate that movie. alas.
@@chioma916 I enjoyed it.
People get the point of the films often doesn't make the film any better. Simply having a message doesn't say anything about the quality of a film.
You missed the point of the video. He never said unnatural dialogue was bad, he was just highlighting the difference.
Things that don't happen IRL:
- NOOOOOOOOO
- Announcing someone's name everytime they walk into your sight
- People listening intently and kindly to a diatribe without interrupting, unless you're Stalin or something
I don't know if you love or hate the office!!
I lowkey do all these things
If you spoke with the coherence and gravity of a scripted monologue people would be more reluctant to interrupt you.
Would dispute the NOOOOOO
Now I sort of want to start doing the second one
But people do talk like this. It's just rare. So the problem is when every character speaks in quips and quirks.
Exactly. The style is actually really natural. It's the 200 IQ quips and jokes that seem unrealistic.
Exactly, thank you.
I think it’s snowballing too. Media like this is so popular and widespread now, at some point, it can start to feel natural to talk like that.
i don't necessarily mind this. why should every movie's goal be to be as realistic as possible? sometimes you want to watch something over the top or grandiose or melodramatic -- its not always supposed to be real life
This is exactly why I can't stand Aaron Sorkin's writing. Every single character talks the exact same way, and everything is punctuated with impossibly quick and witty quips. As a result, they never end up sounding like individual characters, they all just speak like what Aaron Sorkin wishes he sounded like in real life.
This video unexpectedly blew my mind
I was kinda getting confused and kinda loosing it but just when you show a real “Natural Language/Dialogue” was i instantly get it and its something that we tend to overlook and tend to not even notice it at all, its actually crazy that when i am shown a perfect good written dialogue that is quite realistic that i forgot what a real authentic imperfect dialogue is and im surprised not many writers uses this more, it really gives more life to what you’re writing.
I’ve watched and listen to lots of imperfect realistic dialogues from other movies, but its kind of insane i never noticed how very different they are to what we usually hear and see in written dialogues, and yet never consider how actual humans talk to each other especially in the heat of the moment.
The thing about saying "People do not talk like this" about Tarantino's dialogue is that, if you watch an interview with him, you'll see he definitely does. His characters puppet his own speech and mannerisms.
Also, literally the first lines from a Tarantino movie in this video are lines the character has memorized and practised in universe.
@@schwarzerritter5724 Yeah what a horrible example for his point
I think it's pretty clear that Pulp Fiction imitates art, not life. It's even in the title. The word 'fiction', as well as the word 'pulp', which refers to an even more unrealistic fiction. This is what is said often about Tarantino's movies, and I think it's pretty accurate. Not necessarily a good or a bad feature, but one that just is.
Alright.
@@allendracabal0819 Yeah, Tarantino in actuality says the world 'Alright' about 100 times (maybe no exaggeration) in interviews. Tarantino's actual spoken language is much more filled with hesitations and pauses and utterances to help him process his speech than his written and edited content.
This actually resonated with me emotionally, video essays often don't. I'm autistic. I simply don't "do" regular communication. It makes me want to rip my face off. I think part of the reason for that is because I watch too many movies and am enamoured with how people often communicate in fiction. There's almost always a defined subject. There's almost always pacing; things move gradually towards a mini "climax". Sentences are well structured and direct. Because of course they are, they've been carefully thought out/reviewed by a room filled with professional writers. I find myself disappointed when I'm unable to feel the beauty and clarity that can be felt from some movies (and books).
It’s almost impressive how some people can use so many unnecessary words to convey a simple message. One of the most well-spoken, easy-to-talk-with people I know always takes his time to formulate a thought and word it in a direct, digestible way. He has a stutter, so talking slowly and clearly is one tactic he uses to overcome it. And because talking never came easy to him, he learned to communicate ten times clearer than the average shmuck.
@@Herpusderpus Unfortunately a common problem for most people is coming off as rude when doing so. People add fluff usually to soften their every day communication, myself included. Not only to keep things harmonious, but because we don't listen to every word someone is saying when speaking to us. If it's more than a handful of words spoken by the other person, we tune in and out catching the highlights of what the other person is saying. If we were always so direct and short, with every word important, while still tuning out a bit because it's natural to do so, we'd miss a lot of vital messages from others. Or we'd be asking others to repeat themselves constantly.
@@EvilMonkey7818 people tune things out *because* the person speaking isn't direct and short. the simple solution is to be both succinct *and* listen with intent.
ok
@@rhael42 the idea that 'talking succinctly and accurately is good' is a myth... It sounds good, but it's a terrible idea.
If you want someone to understand something, repeat it. Explain the idea two or three different ways, and they'll get it, even if they aren't listening that well.
Even in this comment I'm repeating myself. I'm finding different ways to explain the same concept.
If you want to actually communicate well, finding different ways to explain something is the best method. Trying to compress a message down to the smallest number of words is just gonna confuse people.
My favorite dialogue style is the one in Edgar wright movies tbh. The man makes every character a walking trope rapid firing stupid statements and still manages to make them feel like people
Hey, I have a small suggestion. When you show scenes of a movie for the first time (or every time, if that's easier), would you mind putting the title of the movie and possibly the year in a corner for reference? I say this, because when you speak about a certain movie, you will reference another movie from the same creator or studio and I think it would help some people, including myself, know which movies to go look for and know the references.
Ya I’m not a big movie person, but it would be helpful since I didn’t see it in the description... Especially if it seems interesting.
@@amy-rose7090 which show are you talking about?
@@amy-rose7090 if you mean the scenes with adam driver and scarlett johansson that was from "Marriage Story"
Marriage Story has become a meme. I never seen it, but that one scene went viral. Even I knew what it was.
Ever watched Kingdom Hearts cutscenes? Now THAT'S how people talk in real life
NONSENSE!
Everybody knows Life is Strange has the most realistic dialogue.
@@SilverlineXZero Yeah, Life is Strange was hella real, man!
A man of culture, I see
thanks for the gold stranger
This is a good place to pick some flowers.
If i wanted to hear what people actually sound like, i'd go to the grocery store
this comment is very covid
this really stabs the question
@@frostyxelectra I'm using this, in my dialogue. Lel
1K Likes With 5 Replies Lol
Wow. Great perspective 🤔
Someone show this dude smiling friends
I absolutely love when they leave in a piece of dialogue where they stammer, stutter or trip up.
Why?
same here
I absolutely loathe that. The actors typically can't live up to it seeming so "naturally occuring". It becomes cringeworthy instead.
@@linkenski To me, I almost feel that, in an exaggerated sense, I can almost count the movies with good naturalistic dialogue with one hand.
It are usually exceptionally well told stories where the heightened immersion serves the exceptionally well executed plot. And the thing about them is that I almost never remember the dialogue.
Which honestly kinda makes me question how many people actually appreciate naturalistic dialogue for itself or if most of them are just happy that it doesn’t bother them while they follow the actual story.
@@kapitan19969838 Because normal people stammer, stutter, or trip up, and if you want to see acting that actually tries to imitate reality rather than some idealized version where everybody speaks in this poetic, perfect tone all the time, then you want to see the things I mentioned.
Jennifer's body is severely underrated. It's an incredible film about girlhood, friendship, and layered toxicity. It was definitely mismarketed though. Like, the point is that the monster in the movie isn't really Jennifer, but what created her. Anywho, if you like film, give it a second watch with fresh eyes.
I kinda sorta feel like maybe this fella didn't really *get* what Cody was trying to do with the dialogue in Jennifer's Body.
Hell yes! I love Jennifer's body
idk i watched it for the first time cause i heard that but i thought it was still kind of crappy
No, thank you. I've watched it twice, and it was boring both times. To anyone reading this: Watch 2001 A Space Odyssey instead. THAT'S a good film!
@@godspeedhero3671 lmao space odyssey dude? the first 20 mins is even more boring. its a brilliant movie but certainly also can be boring. let people enjoy what they want.
When you watch a Tarantino movie you watch it for the cleverly written dialogue (s)/monologue (s) and the in depth characters and the way he constructs a narrative and I love it how at the end of the movie how he stitches up the narrative and how the narrative all comes together from different characters points of view.
Pulp fiction, Django unchained, Inglorious Basterds, The hateful eight and more. Tarantino's films are just so enjoyable to watch.
@@Mar_s-vy6js Yes definitely, he is one of my all time favorite filmmakers.
What baffles me is that he manages to make movies seem meaningful even when ALL of the main characters die
@@andreaswesterveld he manages to make you laugh while everybody dies😂 he is just incredible
@@andreaswesterveld That's his genius.
Dialogue is all about conveying the information of the story in a smart way - in a way where the story beats are not spoon feed to you. Where you can figure out what’s going on without every single detail being spelled out for you. That is great dialogue. That is great writing.
I’m a little confused how Diablo Cody’s writing style, while consistent, is seen as a gimmick in Jennifer’s Body, while Aaron’s writing in The Social Network and other films is seen as “it just works” because of its consistency. That contradicts itself. Why does Diablo’s dialogue style have to serve the story but Aaron’s can just exist?
a lot of people hate jennifers body. why, that is unknown but many people dislike it
yeah I feel like this juxtaposition was suss as. I don't wanna accuse this guy of anything but the whole "teen girls making up dorky slang language to show how tight their friendship is doesn't work but when it comes from a guy's mouth it makes sense" totalllyy rubbed me the wrong way
Ah I had the exact same thought!! Both dialogue styles were heightened on purpose yet somehow for Jennifer's Body it didn't work and it did for other Sorkin movies?
imo its a gimmick when sorkin does it as well, just one more to the taste of this videos author.
Welcome to video essays. If you hide your opinion behind enough fanciful language, you can convince people that you know what you're talking about.
I think Jennifer's Body was really ages ahead, and got dumped only due to poor marketing & over-sexualization of Megan Fox
no, the movie honestly just didn't make sense
I didn't realize it was possible to over-sexualize Megan Fox. What else are you going to do with her?
Loved the movie as a kid watched it recently it's fantastic some of it is a little off but still good
@@keepinmahprivacy9754 have her act
@@JohnnyMando92 Ha, that's a good one!
2 things:
- For a video on dialogue, you need to let us actually hear more of the dialogue
- Jesse Einsenberg is giving off some strong Kevin Bacon vibes in The Squid and the Whale
it was surprising to me that he used The Squid and The Whale as an example for naturalistic dialogue because while certainly the flow of dialogue in it feels fairly natural, the word choices are, in my opinion, far from.
I was kinda annoyed that the example for naturalistic dialogue wasn't longer
I agree, I was skipping through the thing and confused what he was referring to because I haven't watched a lot of these movies
@@Sophia-hs7et Please watch “The Meyerowitz Stories” and “Marriage Story” on Netflix. They’re both by Noah Baumbach, the examples of naturalistic dialogue.
Unfortunately, the more you use the more you open yourself up to copyright strikes, demonetisation, etc. I get the feeling it's a very careful balance, one that often tips in favour of the big guys who hold the film rights.
I wrote my thesis few years back on this matter... It brings so many memories back! Nice video and keep it Up!
We read books, poetry and love other forms of entertainment hat don’t mirror real life. It’s entertainment.
and the truth is that sometimes people DO speak like this.
@Malk Von Batshit yes and no
I think if you want to go in the "realistic" route in most arts, it can be good, you just have to do a good job
But at the same time, it is indeed anoying how many people want to force "realism" into everything, amd criticize thinga for not beign "realistic" when it doesnt matter
@@JosephFlores-yn4yi when the fact is everything in life is realism. The only thing does is categorize similar situations, and group them. More of a compilation of similar events, than realism.
i think the reason dialogue is often considered unrealistic is not because “people don’t talk like that”, but because characters must fit into the specific narrative of the story being told. if every scene must build to a purpose within the narrative, then every conversation must end with the purpose of the scene, so of course dialogue is going to sound more precise on paper because the story requires it.
well written dialogue can take the reader on a journey by using specific techniques like foreshadowing and subtext to determine what will happen next, but how naturally the conversation flows depends on how it’s interpreted by the actor and/or reader.
As an “awkward”/quiet/shy/introverted person, I’d like to thank you sincerely for this video. People like me miss out on so many social interactions, or otherwise don’t understand the interactions we observe, so it feels really nice to know that I’m not losing my mind when I think that movie characters often don’t talk like normal people.
why would you want movie characters to talk like real people lmao
@@subtleusername5475 well. A realistic movie with realistic characters should also have realistic dialogue right?
@@funny5081 He’s not programmed for that, tho
Get a life
Buncha jerks in your replies. smh
This feels like a massive overanalysis, unless these are just bad examples. Why does Jules speak the bible versus that way? Have you literally never heard a preacher speak bible verses? The diner scene in Pulp Fiction about the 2 planning a robbery, the guy was explaining, the girl didn't follow, he clarified, that sounded pretty natural to me. The social network was obviously faked because they needed Zuck to appear smarter than everyone else. As for Juno characters speaking quirky slang, yeah they're teens in high school. Did you never go to a high school in your life? Kids stick out when they speak clearly and like adults, slangy/quirky is basically the entire way to talk in HS, especially between Juno and Cera's character, they're dating so of course they have their own special ways of talking to each other
If you try to talk like TV or movie characters do, which is pretty common these days, communication becomes one sided. Acting is about monologues and uninterrupted one liners perfectly hitting home to a well fucked adversary who dares not talk back to such brilliant oration. In real life, you say something dramatic and monologish and people are looking at their phones or talking over you. Nothing hits home, nothing ends the conversation, nothing means anything.
Surround yourself with the wrong people and nothing can become everything. Context matters not just of what is being said, but whom is there to listen. Meaning is meaningless to those who won't read between the lines and actually think about it or be given the chance by whoever said it. Maybe you could see things as meaningless, but id rather say that when someone simply tells me to shut the fuck up, especially after a long rant like this... still hurts :/. Id say as long as it isn't too long, just enough for the brain to chew on, a good idea or topic can keep people interested long enough to make the interaction itself worth something, even if the topic is total bullshit. Anyways sorry to word vomit, just tired and overthinking language when I have math hw to be doing. Have a nice day :P
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I find the truth to be the opposite. Most people rarely give others a chance to speak. Listen more and wait your damn turn to speak up. Perhaps then, you would put more thought into what you choose to say aloud.
That's because people in the real world have largely become narcissistic, self-absorbed creatures with the attention spans of tsetse flies, to pay attention to anything other than themselves for longer than a YT comment is exhausting. ;)
if you are quiet most of the time, people will listen when you do speak.
Natural speech is messy, convuluted and all-over the place, and I love it. How do you know when some one likes you? Do they talk a lot - about NOTHING. Because at some point, there's not much left to say, so you talk about a movie, a food, stubbing your toe, etc. When someone randomly talk my ear off about anything, no matter how mundane, they trust you . And, I trust them. Not only to listen, but to understand. To feel what they're saying more than just hearing words. Some of my best clients were those who talked themselves into the sale, not me. People love an audience, and if you give them one, just let them speak what they feel, they become great friends and companions in life. Let people have their dialogues. Let people make their point in full. Let them feel respected and heard.
Cut out and keep!
Half the people who 'talk my ear off' are bullshitters who *mustn't* be trusted. They're looking to manipulate you more than they are trust you.
The other half merely being simpletons with verbal diarrhea.
i loved this comment
I really like this comment and this perspective, it's so refreshing.
He also gives him a bible verse that actually doesn’t exist
Well yes.... but actually, no....
Menaceblue3 what
@@cassi5420The Bible:Special Samuel L Mother Fucking Jackson edition
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The actual Ezekiel 25;17 verse is only a small line from the entire Samuel L. Jackson quote from pulp fiction.
Bet
There’s a certain poetry to this dialogue. It’s pleasant to the ear. Scripts are like lyrics to a song.
This is one of the reasons I like sci-fi so much. It's easier to ignore how unnatural the dialogue feels sometimes, since it's always taking place in some alternate timeline or far future, where differences to our actual reality are expected rather than distracting.
"I'll be back"
I find Tarantino's dialogue to feel real because characters often talk about random stuff that is unrelated to the plot
The topics and flow are very organic, but nobody actually talks like that.
@Malk Von Batshit I find that sometimes me and my friends will ge into a rythm of conversation that feels like a scene from a Tarantino movie. I cherish those moments
@@johnnyringo5777 Do you do Woody Allen movies too? That would be hilarious.
I think this is why the Office is such a good show. The dialogue isn't completely realistic but it's a lot more natural than a lot of TV
Rainn Wilson said a lot of times when fans would come up to him and reference a joke they liked, it was frequently situational comedy vs a singular line or a specific one liner. I realized I was doing the same thing with friends. Whenever I referenced a joke from The Office, I’d start out by saying, “That’s like that time when Michael… etc”
Interestingly enough I often feel the opposite. To me, naturalistic dialogue frequently suffers from being less deliberate because being deliberate to obey a larger than life vision allows for the total devotion of someone’s performance to the goal of not simply retelling / portraying a real life series of events but something more, something that is truly memorable.
Imitation of reality to the highest degree CAN work but often imo. if just feels bland and boring because frankly, it doesn’t give you something that would actually be worth remembering a lot of the time.
The best parts of the office dialogue ( maybe even the majority of the entire show ) for example are not at all realistic. On the contrary. They are so highly stylised highlight reels that you would be hard pressed to find almost anyone talking like that in reality.
Natural dialogue is, quite frankly, not entertaining unless the surrounding story makes up for it. The office is imo. not fun because it’s somewhat naturalistic, it’s fun because it pulls of this completely insane, freakishly surrealist parody of entirely exaggerated office drama.
In summary, I disagree that the office is good because of its „naturalistic“ dialogue. I would go so far that often, it’s dialogue is deliberately absurd because no normal person would react as the characters on the show do to the amount of absurdity they are faced with on a daily basis.
no wayyy, a movie or show isn't exactly realistic with real life?? who would've known.. lol i don't understand why this video is even a thing.. is anyone debating why goblins and fairies don't exist outside of movies?
I'm assuming that you're referring to the US version? I only make that distinction because I found the UK version painfully, realistically cringeworthy. And I think a lot of that had to do with the way that in many office situations, people are already doing a 'bit'. We figure out where we sit in the pecking order, there are in-jokes that always have to be properly observed in order to maintain a sense of belonging in our little tribes, and the whole place is overseen by out of touch higher-ups who rarely know all the names - let alone the personalities - of those working under them. Every day is a sort of performance. It's real, but a group dynamic, cultivated over time and agreed upon with silent understandings of what is and isn't acceptable. Of course we find that similar idea replicated in many other areas of life (school, shared accommodations, clubs, societies, families etc) but there's something especially striking in the way in which we're expected to adopt a kind of cognitive empathy, along with a well-rehearsed role, in exchange for money, for 40 hours a week, that seems to give a more concrete concept of things being both "natural" and rehearsed "dialogue".
The UK version is realistic, the US version is a bit too over the top at certain times.
this is why shows like Curb Your Ethusiasm is so good too. The improv nature makes it seem so normal
Nerdstalgic: "People don't talk like this."
Me: "They don't?"
No, they don't. You might think your conversations are as witty and quirky and flowing as these, but I assure you they're not and people probably find you a bit pretentious if you try to do this shit.
Boring people don't talk like this lol
I write how things go in my head I guess.
@@childofthesun32 I actually know someone that sort of speaks like this. But thats because he grew up with no friends and bad parents, so all he'd consume is media like movies and videogames so the way he speaks is odd and verbose-y. Smart guy but yeah, he speaks like they do in movies.
@@jasondecember673 Yea, you're so quirky and different.
This is what I love about A Clockwork Orange, everyone speaks exactly like Alex, even though you can tell they shouldn't sound like that (like the drunk homeless guy that gets beaten up at the start of the movie). It's exactly the type of thing an egocentric unreliable narrator such as Alex would do, and having it portrayed in a movie I assumed everything that's happening was canon is mind-blowing. I get that some people might think that it's due to how their futuristic english works, but it's so complex for ordinary conversations, and so uniform between characters that it makes me believe it's just Alex portraying everyone as him
You just blew my mind...
@@pagepagepage22 “Your humble narrator” and all that crap.
"I am not your brother, and I do not wish to be any longer."
- The "stupid" character
I got really annoyed watching A Clockwork Orange because of how the characters talk, it sounds like they're just reading dialogue in literature rather than conversing. May watch again with this lens.
@@ianbent0n Try reading the book, it's a lot better
It might just be me, but ever since I was young, I felt like I had to have perfect conversations or pronunciation TV and movie actors are shown to have in the takes that are used. So, because of this, I'd always rehearse what I planned to say in my head to just about anyone.
(Edit: I think it's defined as Analysis Paralysis.)
I feel you!
Yeah I definitely have to rehearse what I say before I say it. Might have to do with the speech pathology classes I had to take as a child though idk.
Simulacra and simulation
That sounds like a psychotic curse.
I do that too. I have a hard time thinking about what I want to say while I'm talking.
In a movie, a play or even a book, the author uses dialogue to communicate with the viewer; a vehicle for the characters to express feelings and ideas to the audience. Not for the characters to communicate with each other, because they don't need to. Sometimes the dialogue is very realistic, but other times it is very literary and flowery. As you said, "heightened".
In the end, it's nothing but art; not a snapshot of reality, but an artist's vision of reality.
"strange cult following" is one way to say that this movie was marketed to appeal to teenage male audiences instead of the young-twenties girls it was meant for. We're all just discovering it now
(Yhara Zayd did a really good video on why Jennifer's Body has a cult following, I'd check it out)
+Also I agree with the comments saying the dialogue is camp. I connected with the dialogue not because its how I or my friends speak but because its the type of stupid slang speak every group of teen girls make up. It got the energy and intent of teen girl slang sooooo much better than [insert shitty teen flick of the month]
Yes Yhara Zayds video is amazing! Thank you for defending jennifers body it is criminally underrated
Yhara Zayd makes incredible video essays!
Id also like to add that moderngurlz has a really great video defending jennifers body.
Yeah I agree
The funny thing is that I have autism. Every time you say “this is not how people talk” I was trying to figure out what was wrong. I am still not sure haha.
I was gunna say, I talk like a lot of people in tarantino films, but i do stutter sometimes
Kyle Randall i don't have autism & no idea what this guy is on about either. to be fair, i do a lot of writing & watching so maybe it's just an accidental thing.
This is actually a big part of why autism is so damaging to social encounters. It's not just that you can't communicate properly, it's that you're incapable of realizing that you aren't or understanding what you did wrong if someone points it out to you. It's also partly why those with autism prefer to speak via text than by word.
If you really want to try and understand what he's going on about, listen to 7:24 again and don't focus so much on the exact words the characters are saying but rather focus on _how_ they are speaking: it's very messy, with lots of overlapping words that are sometimes even incoherent, and rapid jumps from one idea to another - the guy even stops mid-sentence and interrupts _himself_ with a different thought at the end when he says "you'll never be happy."
What's cool about this scene is that they _are_ still communicating. If they weren't communicating then they would be each of them simply saying what they wanted without paying any attention to what the other was trying to say. Instead they are actively listening and responding to each others' words... but it's all super messy and chaotic because that's how people actually talk.
If you want more of this kind of natural dialogue you can try listening to some more casual podcasts or videos where the people are just kinda hanging out and talking casually without a script, particularly the moments when there are multiple people talking excitedly about something and they start talking over one another (there are plenty of stuff like this out there but if you need a place to start then I know Jesse Cox does this a lot, so you can try his "Cox and Crendor in the Morning" podcast or "Scary Game Squad" videos.)
Mao man thanks!
As someone with ADD (which is essentially a milder version of autism), I can certainly relate. Writing actually helped me a great deal as it provides an existential examination of dialogue. Nevertheless, I still have to exert great care in my own speech -- and even then, occasionally say something that falls flat or betrays the intended purpose.
Words and inflection carry so much meaning. It's fascinatingly beautiful but also a curse.
Do you like anime?
Speech Dialogue: "Only the connoisseur with the highest of IQs can truly enjoy anime"
Naturalistic Dialogue: "Yes I do....Hentai too, HAHAHAHA"
@@Enzo-wx9jt no its a reference to Samuel L Jackson being asked if he likes anime and he responded "Yes I do, hentai too" and then laughed afterward. This is in the wired interview he did.
"I've seen enough mother f %! Kin Tentacle porn to mother f %!Kin know where this is going! ".
Really enjoy this style of video. It’s cool to compare a lot of different styles and examples covering a topic. I like the vids on a specific show/movie, but this is really compelling. Great job!
As an actor, I have to say something here
I feel what this video doesn't take into account is the actor's delivery of the line. Good actors deliver the subtext, what's undergirding the line. It's their objectives and motivations and how well they are able to mesh the words with their motivations. It has to fit like a glove, This is why in every stylistic choice mentioned in this video, there are prime examples, even though good writing is important there are other factors like how it's directed and how its acted.
Yeah but the point remains: why are there details that will make your acting "good" yet they aren't what makes it more realistic? How can there even be a discrepancy here? Good acting would mean bringing characters to life. Bringing them to life means making them authentic, not "adding subtext".
@@hichaelhyers There is no discrepancy here. Making them realistic is part of being a good actor. I don't see any disagreement. What do you mean when you say there are good acting that doesn't make it realistic?
Being authentic is a bigger umbrella category than subtext, being able to play subtext is PART of it, it's not mutually exclusive. I'm curious what caused you to make that distinction. An example.
People do lie (and you know this) and one of the most popular sayings in which they lie is the statement :"I'm fine" a good actor knows how to play the subtext of it. It adds to it's authenticity
@@KeithLeeMH I disagree. In a movie, good acting will communicate to us the subtext that gives context to dialogue. In real life, we very often DON'T speak in a way that communicates our feelings or motivations, because real life has no obligation to be clear or compelling to outside observers. Real people don't always show subtext, real people sometimes say things awkwardly not for any emotional reason but because they just messed up their phrasing.
Actors are trying to imitate a more clear and watchable version of real people. They are not trying to be realistic.
@@johnmorrell3187 I disagree, it depends on what's written and if the director is heading that direction. It depends on the film. Just because you have watched films who aren't trying to be realistic, doesn't mean there aren't films that are trying to be
@@johnmorrell3187 I've also never said an actor having objections and motivations means they should communicate them. This is understandable to actors as their toolkit, a baseline to be believable. It's not used to how you perceive it's being used. Real people don't always use subtext but they use it more often than you would like to think. It's true that people say things awkwardly not for any EMOTIONAL REASON. But that statement implies every actor playing a character in a show does it for an emotional reason, which craft wise, is also untrue. However everytime someone speaks there's ALWAYS intention behind it. That's what actors need to apply and what everyone in real life operates with as well
Some of the best dialogue is in the Before Trilogy, all three movies are basically just the two characters talking and it never gets boring
QUICK EVERYONE WATCH IT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!
I think the video is here for good this time 🤣
yeah, I had it queued up to watch last time. Went to watch it during my lunch break and it was gone!
Was this delete before??
Yasir Irshad yes
@@uchechiblxckgoddess How come?
as a depressed person, i do sometimes think in the heart of it all, everyone can be an actor or actress. everyone can write their own story. it may not follow a style but that's okay. maybe in the case that the best comedians are generally the ones who know how to cry, it's the depressed that can show the means of struggle. be it mentally or physically. or the happiest that knows how to make a sad story. we each have our own blend. our own quirks. our own ideas.