This makes the most sense. I type out as INTP over the last 20 years. But, looking at the over all profiles, I identify better with ISTP. My intuition is quite developed, I'm definitely Ti lead, but I'm aware of my environment and can jump in to interact with it easily in a crisis (I'm an ER nurse and love that part of my job best). My intuition has me trying to gather ideas to make sense of the big picture all the time too (which I also love doing).
I just realized my friend who tested as an INTP who I kept thinking was an INTJ was actually an ISTP because he loved organizing patterns. He kept saying Ti things that I just would disregard because, "Well he has N but is not like my Ne so he can't be an INTP, he must just be an INTJ." Well he's an ISTP, surprise suprise. Now I feel like such an ass. There was an ISTP girl who I rejected, after a convoluted series of events. In chronological order. I pursued her for 3 months. She rejected me 4 times. 6 months later she just sends me a text that said 'INTP'. We started texting, a lot. More than I usually ever do. I practiced communicating to her on her own terms. She felt like I knew her better than anyone else. She admitted she loved me and I rejected her, saying it wouldnt work. I'm an ENFP Ne/Te. I feel like a total ass now because I let some stupid bias system define my relationships. I doubt she'll ever forgive me. forgive me Al Gore.
Lia, that's should be because your "Persona" (social face) is INTP and your "Ego" correspondingly is ISTP. Or vice versa. I could suggest reading Jung if you want to understand this more. MBTI doesn't cover this thing.
@@Mrhankins100 I can't believe you rejected someone just because some types sistem 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 especially someone who said they love you 😳 sorry can't stop laughing, it's totally strange to me, how can you be so set in stone that you actually don't give it even a try. Not just in love but in any aspect of life, and you suppose to be perciever? I am a judger and would never make so definite decisions about anything, I leave all options open in my mind and more then anything love to explore every possibility. So strange I suppose to be an J and you a P. Don't you think?
THIRD! Great video. Nothing is as it first appears, and Myers Briggs, like everything, is more complex than just throwing categories at people and seeing what sticks
Wow! While my experience is unavoidably subjective, I will mention that it overlaps considerably with this video. #1- I recently shared with someone that I feel like the cognitive functions are too "neat" and just because someone tells me that my functions are in a certain order, doesn't mean I always use them in that order. It really depends on how much time I spend in the inner or outer world. For instance, if someone spends a LOT of time in their preferred world (the one that allows them to use their first and third function often), it makes sense that during those times, the second function would not get as much practice. It doesn't mean suddenly their type changes or they are a different personality. (In contrast, if they start balancing their time more, or spend more time in the contrasting world, the second function would beef up.) #2- I just told an I--P recently, "It isn't the facts about this situation that are important, it is that this is becoming a pattern." SO TRUE that this is how I see the world. #3- I challenged myself to have a "4th function week"; I set a goal, set an end date for that goal, objectively described the reward and conditions for receiving that award, and then I went to work. It was HARD WORK, but I did notice what you said: I got pretty excited about each little thing, like I was a kid learning a new skill. There was a little bit of judgment that I "shouldn't have to" go to such lengths just to get simple chores done, but I mostly let those go and I achieved my goal!
It appears to me that Double Observer types are honed in, more than anything else, on the role and impact of people....whether those people refer to themselves and/or others. If that dichotomy of self/other or other/self creates havoc in their lives, they could easily be a Double Observing type (because the Observing functions and their interplay [i.e., chaos vs. structure/control] will create less havoc in their lives than the role of the Deciding functions at positions #1 and #4). The giving vs. taking (and vice versa) or selfish vs. selfless (and vice versa) dichotomies play a huge role here, if I am understanding everything properly.
I know I said this before, but I feel like these videos are too short. I know it's probably easier to have these shorter videos, but I always end up wanting more when they're done. Maybe you guys can make more videos in the future on that 60/40 90/10 rule with the functions?
I can't believe you've already made this information online. I thought I was the only weirdo who thought this was the reality of cognitive functions. It is so obvious, even on tests people often get like high Ti and Ni, or high Ne and Te, high Fi and Ni etc. But they got so caught up with MBTI system, when Jung himself actually suggested something more along this line regarding auxiliary functions. They read it and they go like "oh" and it escapes them
What about double “judgers” or “deciders”? What does that look like with two judging functions in the middle? I can speculate, but would like your input. Also, I see how you have subtypes each type into tertiary preference and auxiliary preference. Do you think that tertiary preferring types are “healthy”? By that, I mean, that in cross referencing a lot of other thought on function dynamics, that someone who is constantly jumping their aux function is avoiding a growth part of them that is in a different orientation from their dominant. Looping. I know you know about all this, just wondering what your thoughts are? Too theoretical?
So going along with this idea of double observers, there would also be, let’s say, INFPs who use more Si than their Ne? And ISFPs that use more Ni than Se?
Is there a resource anyone knows about outside of Dave's teachings that goes into more detail around the 60/40 rule (roughly) and the 90/10 rule around the functions? I want to better understand how this plays out in practice.
I don't know any resource that specifically goes into 60/40 rule and the 90/10 rule around the functions, but I would suggest checking out Micheal Pierce's The Types Revisited playlist, he breaks down each type by all four of their functions.
The problem with this idea is that if the 2 middle functions can apparently be switched like that, then why can the other 2 functions not be switched (1 and 4?). One could of course argue that these stay consistant because their difference is so big (like hte 90% and 10% example). However, the problem is that if the middle 2 functions are 'balanced', it means their difference is relatively small. How can something like typology testing really determine such a small difference? I mean, in typology testing still remains a soft science, which means everyhthing is pretty much some kinda estimation or indirect perception of truth rather than a measurement of truth itself. . If the 2 middle functions are balanced and their difference is like 10% or whatever, then how can one claim with certainty that one function really is bigger if the difference between their strength is so relatively small and not a measurement error? Also, is the claim that "50%" of the people people have their 3rd and 2nd functin swapped quite a convenient or even strange number in science. Dave & co very oftne use the number "50%" for different things. What is the chance that such devisions are all around 50%. The chance would statistically be extremely small.
@P O W E R - R E D - B U L L And, let's just pretend mood & the fact that this is all based on judging folks (with *heavy* Te biases) based on Extroverted presentation(s)... Why not start calling a "jumper" istp, an itsp... Or, ITSj.... Etc etc etc...?
Ok so... Ne would gather patterns and stuff like that and then Si organizes it. Tries to find the information in it? Se gathers sensory info and then Ni organizes that info into patterns and abstractions? Si-Ne/Ne-Si= Deductive? Ni-Se/Se-Ni=Inductive?
I think your assessment of deductive and inductive approaches actually makes sense (unlike when people say Te is Inductive and Ti is Deductive) Ne gathering patterns or ideas and condensing them down with Si may make what they would consider a 'fact' or piece of empirical data to better understand the crazy, topsy-turvy world. Whereas Se gathers what they consider to be empirical data (all functions are subjective and or biased, it just depends on how much) in attempts to explain why or what secretly causes the world to be crazy and topsy-turvy in the first place. Hence his point about they get excited about uncovering the truth. So with that in mind, Ne/Si would likely get excited when they solidify a viewpoint.
Robert Lindin Haha, I get what you're saying or joking about, but I think an Ne type, because of coupled Si and regardless of the 'muscle imbalance', really does want to have/manipulate/narrow down tangible or concrete(real) facts and concepts they've reasoned or liked to be true. Se/Ni doesn't really get the concern over this, for the world is full of tangible and concrete things, they want fresh ideas and perspectives from said material to amuse or benefit themselves with. Ne/Si doesn't get that sort of fixation because the world already has infinite potential ('isn't it obvious Se/Ni?') but at some point in their life they need and will develop an anchor of principles or outlooks ('This is how the world is.') which they can raise and lower at their leisure so they can quit drifting and get down to business of creating real world results they want or find interesting. In essence: Se/Ni walks and records the plain of objectivity with a canvas or camera to provide insights and depict beauty, of it's nature and potential, in order to enjoy perspectives for themselves or present to others blind to things their clever eye has seen beyond the surface. On the flip side, Ne/Si sails the seas of chaos without a map, preferring to find and chart islands themselves, in order to go fishing, pearl diving, or treasure hunting, for the sake of wearing/displaying or sharing said discoveries.
A little off topic but is Dave an INTP? I'm only suggesting it because if you follow the pattern of his graphics, his youtube channel icon represents the cognitive functions of an INTP. Or maybe I'm just making a connection where there isn't any. LOL
Am having problems deciding my type tbh. Based on the video single deciders have double observers middle. i**p. Looking back, when I was a younger and more.. imaginative, I usually made scenarios in my head like. For instance, if a fire started right now, I'd do this, this and that, so I wouldn't waste time if it actually happened. Or looking around in case of a bombing etc to find the most efficient exit, think of actions to adopt so I can be way more persuasive when lying. I don't do that anymore am an honest man. Does that mean am no longer intp? Granted I don't these thing so much because other things take my time. Also it is stated, a single deciders observers are more balanced, does that mean that despite being called 'deciders' they have a harder time deciding. Easier time observing since they don't beat themselves up as much about it.
Um, wouldn't this mean 25% of Sensors/Intuitives are the other? Only half of each are Double Observers, and allegedly only half of those people have their 1st and 3rd functions as saviors?
Is there such a thing as an...omnivert? Meaning half or partly both introverted and extroverted. Seems these trrms can blend hazily together. Someone is annintrovert at times and extrovert at others. Do you then....observe over longer time and choose which personality hardpoints weigh as the majority for the person?
If you get ENTJs and ESTJs confused then it is Te that you don't understand. And btw the whole point of *jungian* typology is that you understand the personality type through understanding the person, not the other way around.
This was suppose to be about double observers but you started talking about double deciders more. When you made the video of double deciders you gave great examples but here there was nothing.
It's not the Myers Briggs I've known for months. But I think Dave should change the name and the set the new rules for the game. Then it will be awesome
My Ne is screaming MORE MORE MORE MORE MORE videos!!! Great work!
2:19 I can hear my INTJ dad saying "It STILL boils down to..."
And my ISFP dad saying “I don’t know...” xD
@@LemonMeIon And my ISTJ dad saying "All I know is..."
This makes the most sense. I type out as INTP over the last 20 years. But, looking at the over all profiles, I identify better with ISTP. My intuition is quite developed, I'm definitely Ti lead, but I'm aware of my environment and can jump in to interact with it easily in a crisis (I'm an ER nurse and love that part of my job best). My intuition has me trying to gather ideas to make sense of the big picture all the time too (which I also love doing).
I just realized my friend who tested as an INTP who I kept thinking was an INTJ was actually an ISTP because he loved organizing patterns. He kept saying Ti things that I just would disregard because, "Well he has N but is not like my Ne so he can't be an INTP, he must just be an INTJ."
Well he's an ISTP, surprise suprise.
Now I feel like such an ass. There was an ISTP girl who I rejected, after a convoluted series of events.
In chronological order. I pursued her for 3 months. She rejected me 4 times.
6 months later she just sends me a text that said 'INTP'. We started texting, a lot. More than I usually ever do. I practiced communicating to her on her own terms. She felt like I knew her better than anyone else. She admitted she loved me and I rejected her, saying it wouldnt work. I'm an ENFP Ne/Te.
I feel like a total ass now because I let some stupid bias system define my relationships. I doubt she'll ever forgive me.
forgive me Al Gore.
Lia, that's should be because your "Persona" (social face) is INTP and your "Ego" correspondingly is ISTP. Or vice versa. I could suggest reading Jung if you want to understand this more. MBTI doesn't cover this thing.
@@Mrhankins100 I can't believe you rejected someone just because some types sistem 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂 especially someone who said they love you 😳 sorry can't stop laughing, it's totally strange to me, how can you be so set in stone that you actually don't give it even a try. Not just in love but in any aspect of life, and you suppose to be perciever? I am a judger and would never make so definite decisions about anything, I leave all options open in my mind and more then anything love to explore every possibility. So strange I suppose to be an J and you a P. Don't you think?
I love your videos. Best Meyers Briggs channel for people that want to take the theory to the next level and type people more consistently.
I feel the Si mold within my brain around MBTI shattering and rebuilding itself and I love it :) Thanks Dave
THIRD! Great video. Nothing is as it first appears, and Myers Briggs, like everything, is more complex than just throwing categories at people and seeing what sticks
Wow! While my experience is unavoidably subjective, I will mention that it overlaps considerably with this video. #1- I recently shared with someone that I feel like the cognitive functions are too "neat" and just because someone tells me that my functions are in a certain order, doesn't mean I always use them in that order. It really depends on how much time I spend in the inner or outer world. For instance, if someone spends a LOT of time in their preferred world (the one that allows them to use their first and third function often), it makes sense that during those times, the second function would not get as much practice. It doesn't mean suddenly their type changes or they are a different personality. (In contrast, if they start balancing their time more, or spend more time in the contrasting world, the second function would beef up.) #2- I just told an I--P recently, "It isn't the facts about this situation that are important, it is that this is becoming a pattern." SO TRUE that this is how I see the world. #3- I challenged myself to have a "4th function week"; I set a goal, set an end date for that goal, objectively described the reward and conditions for receiving that award, and then I went to work. It was HARD WORK, but I did notice what you said: I got pretty excited about each little thing, like I was a kid learning a new skill. There was a little bit of judgment that I "shouldn't have to" go to such lengths just to get simple chores done, but I mostly let those go and I achieved my goal!
Which type are you?
Just found this chanel and can tell you that this videos are really helpful, thanks for your work.
It appears to me that Double Observer types are honed in, more than anything else, on the role and impact of people....whether those people refer to themselves and/or others. If that dichotomy of self/other or other/self creates havoc in their lives, they could easily be a Double Observing type (because the Observing functions and their interplay [i.e., chaos vs. structure/control] will create less havoc in their lives than the role of the Deciding functions at positions #1 and #4). The giving vs. taking (and vice versa) or selfish vs. selfless (and vice versa) dichotomies play a huge role here, if I am understanding everything properly.
I know I said this before, but I feel like these videos are too short. I know it's probably easier to have these shorter videos, but I always end up wanting more when they're done. Maybe you guys can make more videos in the future on that 60/40 90/10 rule with the functions?
so then.. each type has 2 suptypes? like for ENTJ theres one more oriented to Ni and another to Se?
This is my favorites OP vid and that says alot cause you guys make very high-quality stuff.
Thanks for putting this info out their
I can't believe you've already made this information online. I thought I was the only weirdo who thought this was the reality of cognitive functions. It is so obvious, even on tests people often get like high Ti and Ni, or high Ne and Te, high Fi and Ni etc. But they got so caught up with MBTI system, when Jung himself actually suggested something more along this line regarding auxiliary functions. They read it and they go like "oh" and it escapes them
So basically you can't type someone out until they are stressed out and using their dominant function, is that correct?
You're doing good work, sir. You & your partner.
Hi Dave, I type Jordan Peterson as an ISTP. Do you agree or not, and if not, how would you type him? Thanks!
What about double “judgers” or “deciders”? What does that look like with two judging functions in the middle? I can speculate, but would like your input.
Also, I see how you have subtypes each type into tertiary preference and auxiliary preference. Do you think that tertiary preferring types are “healthy”? By that, I mean, that in cross referencing a lot of other thought on function dynamics, that someone who is constantly jumping their aux function is avoiding a growth part of them that is in a different orientation from their dominant. Looping. I know you know about all this, just wondering what your thoughts are? Too theoretical?
So going along with this idea of double observers, there would also be, let’s say, INFPs who use more Si than their Ne? And ISFPs that use more Ni than Se?
What happens if my f-t is more balanced and my n-s is very unbalanced (s underdeveloped.. Or smt idk the verbs)
I'm supposed to be infp
Is there a resource anyone knows about outside of Dave's teachings that goes into more detail around the 60/40 rule (roughly) and the 90/10 rule around the functions?
I want to better understand how this plays out in practice.
Me too! I wish there was some resources or more videos on this.
I don't know any resource that specifically goes into 60/40 rule and the 90/10 rule around the functions, but I would suggest checking out Micheal Pierce's The Types Revisited playlist, he breaks down each type by all four of their functions.
ABSOLUTELY LOVE YOUR VIDEOS. SO USEFUL
Thank you SO much🙏 this has really helped me understand everything
You are in my gratitude journal
"..entj vs., an *E* stj."
LOL.
K Dave.
Good stuff though.
😂
Great new perspective to explain a lot of typing confusion out there.
The problem with this idea is that if the 2 middle functions can apparently be switched like that, then why can the other 2 functions not be switched (1 and 4?). One could of course argue that these stay consistant because their difference is so big (like hte 90% and 10% example). However, the problem is that if the middle 2 functions are 'balanced', it means their difference is relatively small. How can something like typology testing really determine such a small difference? I mean, in typology testing still remains a soft science, which means everyhthing is pretty much some kinda estimation or indirect perception of truth rather than a measurement of truth itself. . If the 2 middle functions are balanced and their difference is like 10% or whatever, then how can one claim with certainty that one function really is bigger if the difference between their strength is so relatively small and not a measurement error? Also, is the claim that "50%" of the people people have their 3rd and 2nd functin swapped quite a convenient or even strange number in science. Dave & co very oftne use the number "50%" for different things. What is the chance that such devisions are all around 50%. The chance would statistically be extremely small.
@P O W E R - R E D - B U L L
And, let's just pretend mood & the fact that this is all based on judging folks (with *heavy* Te biases) based on Extroverted presentation(s)...
Why not start calling a "jumper" istp, an itsp...
Or, ITSj.... Etc etc etc...?
Because your first is your ego. Everything else is a tool for the dominant function.
Ok so...
Ne would gather patterns and stuff like that and then Si organizes it. Tries to find the information in it?
Se gathers sensory info and then Ni organizes that info into patterns and abstractions?
Si-Ne/Ne-Si= Deductive?
Ni-Se/Se-Ni=Inductive?
I think your assessment of deductive and inductive approaches actually makes sense (unlike when people say Te is Inductive and Ti is Deductive) Ne gathering patterns or ideas and condensing them down with Si may make what they would consider a 'fact' or piece of empirical data to better understand the crazy, topsy-turvy world. Whereas Se gathers what they consider to be empirical data (all functions are subjective and or biased, it just depends on how much) in attempts to explain why or what secretly causes the world to be crazy and topsy-turvy in the first place. Hence his point about they get excited about uncovering the truth. So with that in mind, Ne/Si would likely get excited when they solidify a viewpoint.
brackonstudios solidify a viewpoint?! That won’t happen. Would be like standing still, hence “_view_point” ;-)
Robert Lindin Haha, I get what you're saying or joking about, but I think an Ne type, because of coupled Si and regardless of the 'muscle imbalance', really does want to have/manipulate/narrow down tangible or concrete(real) facts and concepts they've reasoned or liked to be true. Se/Ni doesn't really get the concern over this, for the world is full of tangible and concrete things, they want fresh ideas and perspectives from said material to amuse or benefit themselves with. Ne/Si doesn't get that sort of fixation because the world already has infinite potential ('isn't it obvious Se/Ni?') but at some point in their life they need and will develop an anchor of principles or outlooks ('This is how the world is.') which they can raise and lower at their leisure so they can quit drifting and get down to business of creating real world results they want or find interesting.
In essence: Se/Ni walks and records the plain of objectivity with a canvas or camera to provide insights and depict beauty, of it's nature and potential, in order to enjoy perspectives for themselves or present to others blind to things their clever eye has seen beyond the surface. On the flip side, Ne/Si sails the seas of chaos without a map, preferring to find and chart islands themselves, in order to go fishing, pearl diving, or treasure hunting, for the sake of wearing/displaying or sharing said discoveries.
Another 10/10 vid.
Now wonder ive bordered on INFP and ISFP even though im an INFP. I value Si.
A little off topic but is Dave an INTP? I'm only suggesting it because if you follow the pattern of his graphics, his youtube channel icon represents the cognitive functions of an INTP. Or maybe I'm just making a connection where there isn't any. LOL
susiechoo89 He's INTJ I believe
Haha yaaa I got confirmation that he is!
Man you're a fucking genius.
As Keanu once said: woah
You're(I laughed) dismissive of a little kid tying their shoes, but that is/was a major milestone of growth for everyone that can now tie their shoes.
Am having problems deciding my type tbh. Based on the video single deciders have double observers middle. i**p. Looking back, when I was a younger and more.. imaginative, I usually made scenarios in my head like. For instance, if a fire started right now, I'd do this, this and that, so I wouldn't waste time if it actually happened. Or looking around in case of a bombing etc to find the most efficient exit, think of actions to adopt so I can be way more persuasive when lying. I don't do that anymore am an honest man. Does that mean am no longer intp? Granted I don't these thing so much because other things take my time. Also it is stated, a single deciders observers are more balanced, does that mean that despite being called 'deciders' they have a harder time deciding. Easier time observing since they don't beat themselves up as much about it.
Isn't the video a bit mislabeled ? A good part of the vid is about the people with perceiving as their first and fourth...
How to surf the tidal wave. Make the best of every situation. Humbly. Well for the Te and Ti dominant that is.
4:52 reminds me of Patrick Star.
That's why Dave's channel is the only channel on my notification XD
Um, wouldn't this mean 25% of Sensors/Intuitives are the other? Only half of each are Double Observers, and allegedly only half of those people have their 1st and 3rd functions as saviors?
Can you do another video on INTPs?
Is there such a thing as an...omnivert? Meaning half or partly both introverted and extroverted. Seems these trrms can blend hazily together. Someone is annintrovert at times and extrovert at others. Do you then....observe over longer time and choose which personality hardpoints weigh as the majority for the person?
Where can I go to pay and have y’all type me??
If you get ENTJs and ESTJs confused then it is Te that you don't understand. And btw the whole point of *jungian* typology is that you understand the personality type through understanding the person, not the other way around.
This was suppose to be about double observers but you started talking about double deciders more. When you made the video of double deciders you gave great examples but here there was nothing.
I thought this video was about double observers. That part only lasted 1.30 and the rest of the time you talked about single observers. WT!?!
They were abused during their childhood 😭😭
LoL yeah you have everything; that is what Jung said
I'm an Ne/Te type.
It's not the Myers Briggs I've known for months. But I think Dave should change the name and the set the new rules for the game. Then it will be awesome
belal noor that’s cause the Myers Briggs you know is the one that people way dumber than Dave fucked up and ruined end of story
I have mis typed as isfp but I'm not I'm INFP but the s and n are close
What is your type Dave?
INTJ
True, we keep forgetting that MBTI is ultimately about PREFERENCE, not ability.
I fucking hate cleaning and organizing my room or workplace. does that make me suppress si? therefore im ENTP?
:O
>punchline