DA - The Coleco Chameleon: A History
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
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*UPDATE* While I was editing this they decided to take the next logical step and delete everything. I decided to leave my video as it is as a documented history of the project and the sham they tried and failed to commit. It is nothing less than deserved.
+Keirnoth normalfags don't know that shit
+Keirnoth Most likely caused by panic from being caught lying as they shown product that many have proved to be fake.
The people behind this fake product were also stupid enough to believe they could fool a community like the retro video game community considering a lot of these retro enthusiast know there tech with old consoles and clone consoles.
+dangerousanalysis Let's see how long it takes before this story becomes fodder for Jim Sterling, and he tries and takes all the credit for the campaign against it, like he did with #FuckKonami
+theblocksays I'll tell you this, if he (Sterling) tried to do that, he lost a subscriber.
+theblocksays jim coined #fuckonami which, btw, only has one K
Since people want it, monetization is staying. Thanks for your guys input.
+dangerousanalysis
Make as much cash as you can! Nobody is complaining, this is a god damned gem of a channel.
+dangerousanalysis Nothing wrong with supporting some good work. Next level investigation, great stuff.
solid work. i appreciate your channel and the quality videos you produce!
+dangerousanalysis I am brand new to your channel, and would agree that monetization should stay for you. You do what you do very well and you deserve ALOT more subscribers. - from a new subscriber :)
That "prototype" they showed at the 2016 New York Toy Fair is still one of the funniest things I've ever heard from one of these crowdfunding scams.
You should be the new standard for journalism. Your channel is on par with, if not better than 60 minutes
A new DA video is like an ice cold glass of water in a blistering desert of lunacy.
Get a cheapo FPGA-board.
Emulate Open RISC processor.
Install linux.
Install console emulators.
Put it in a box.
Presto, better fake prototype than what those guys did. You actually can show the insides and say "See? It's an actual FPGA-board! We just have to finish writing our firmware!"
+failing@commenting
Well, no one ever accused them of being smart or skilled.
I'm glad to see your channel continue to grow. You have really stepped up the quality of these videos, great job man.
Thanks for your work on this. This is a really informative postmortem on the issue, and now it's preserved for future viewers like me who only learned about the Chameleon recently.
Excellent research work on this. I had heard of the Coleco Chameleon (and the scam it apparently was), but I didn't know all that much about it until I watched.
Well, we already have a return now to cartridge based home consoles.
I really respect Atari-Age for being able to look through all the naked pandering Retro VGS was pouring on them and keep their feet to the fire.
It does seem rather interesting that the Retro VGS team never bothered reaching out to the engineering company that Nintendo commissioned the raw hardware from. You'd think retracing steps would have been a logical first step when the SNES hardware was infamous for its difficulty to reverse engineer, done intentionally as early method of combating unlicensed bootleg games from functioning in a concentrated effort to prevent a relapse of the Great Atari Crash of the 80s.
It is about as ill-advised as promising a PS3 port of a multiplatform release without any knowledge of the major infrastructure irregularities in the processing engine. I don't anticipate we will EVER see a 100% working PS3 emulator even 50 years from now due to the sheer expense it would cost to emulate that lunacy.
Do you genuinely enjoy digging up all this evidence or does it sometimes get tedious? because this is some next level detective work
+Milkman DRAMA is more popular than CONTENT
No he just watched all of pat the nes punks podcast videos about it and then made a video about it.
Remind me never EVER to try to pull a fast one on gamers. This has convinced me that Sherlock Holmes is real and regularly posts on Atari Age.
Great coverage, as always, man.
Great investigative work. Very thorough.
Making consoles to a professional level takes specialized skills and understanding. Anyone with said skills would have been able to make a really dirty prototype within a few days.
Damn bruh, apologizing for asking for money while removing a stream of revenue to make payment optional even if the ads didn't require us to actually pay money. You're a cool cat.
'Fake it until you make it' obviously not always the best advice.
haven't seen you since you deleted your twitter. glad to see you back lad.
heh...as soon as you said FPGA, my ears perked up.
The Coleco Chameleon being based on SNES technology allows gamers to also enjoy Gameboy games with optional super Gameboy accessories unlike the Incellivision Scamico.
Fair enough on the patreon and de-monetization of the videos, but surely the recent epidemic of copyright takedowns is a factor...?
Still, you do great work and you deserve every penny you get, DA!
Bit of an update on the whole SNES FPGA thing: Analogue a while back released the Super NT which is a clone of the SNES that uses FPGA. So it can be done.
Great work...just superb.
Honestly man, I don't care if you take a year to make a video so long as its good. So take your time and don't stress yourself about it.
I love this channel
Technically there's a difference between an FPGA and an FPGA dev board. The FPGA is just the chip, while the dev board has the chip on it, along with a lot of stuff useful for development, such as buttons, LEDs, connectors and so on and so forth. My point is that the FPGA itself is cheaper than the dev board, somewhere above $320 (price found on digikey, if you search for 'EP4CE115 ' which is the FPGA on a DE2-115 board).
personally, I vote that you continue to monetize your vids. At least then those of us who can't support your research on patreon can support you by giving you views.
Re: using WDC's CPU core, I don't think it'd have helped the project much. It would've cost money to license it, and implementing SNES has much higher mountains to scale named PPU and SPC :-) The CPU actually isn't too terrible to recreate on the FPGA, while the video and audio would be.
14:29 those wires are going right past the Controller Ports.........
Two words....raspberry pi .....they could of almost got away with murder using one of them things
I guess my only question is why. Did they intend to scam people intentionally? Did they intend to build a working prototype, but needed more time? If time is the only issue, then why weren't they just forthcoming with that information? It seems like they could have easily produced a product, whether or not it would be financially viable to market said product.
if I can , I plan to resurrect the retro VGS / Coleco Chamelon using a Raspberry Pi , and the OS Retro Pie , build custom controllers based on the XBOX 360 and PS2 controllers . at least with this it would be a lot better than what Mike and his crew tried to cook up .
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Good work
Why would they even try to break into a market that already has a perfectly valid alternative in the RetroN 5 which not only has the benefit of being real, functional and already being up for purchase but also has been around for years with numerous new iterations being made all the time? (It's not called the RetroN /five/ because it sounds cool after all)
I mean granted the people behind the RetroN 5 stole basically all their code from freeware emulators but at least all of it actually works. Still unethical but on a different level s'what I'm saying.
You ever consider doing a video on the retron five?
"Dear Mum" -Liquid TV
The original concept was to be a new console, with optional adapters.
The $300 change was because FPGA's aren't cheap!
John Carlsen had a REAL prototype.. google it.
3:50 no single console uses FPGA's
Curses, we couldve gotten away with it too if it wasnt for you medling retro gaming kids!
The question is.. was it wrong? How would a new comer to the industry start? And fulfill a requirement requested by KickStarter, although they are genuinely honest in making a new console?
Greetings from Dubai, UAE.
Arab Katib There isn't a problem with the idea of the project since it is one of the main reasons on how it grabbed many gamers attention and will most likely be a successful product if it existed, the thing that's wrong is that they are trying to sell the idea of such product and not the product itself. newcomers to the gaming industry should have atleast have a working prototype to their idea and present it to a company or to the public if ur going to crowd fund the project and be able to add possible features before selling it as a product while following the term and services and keeping a positive attitude towards your partner/costumer because it is better to have a person uninterested to your project than to have them raise an eyebrow, and wen it comes to marketing a newcomer with an idea like this wouldn't really have a problem since there is a huge demand for retro products. (even though the video should have made it clear and was able to answer your question)
Fast forward two years and you have the new Atari VCS.
You should fix the intro so the audio doesn't abruptly cut out.
Good evening.
Have a patreon and keep ads on your videos. Those who don't want to watch ads will just use adblock anyway.
I think you should leave youtobe adds up. I asume your fully aware that people can go around the adds if they want.
Man DA, you really like the Noir Journalism style do you?
Pat the NES Punk has a video of another faked picture, turns out it was a capture board inside the shell.. lol
I hate this shame attached to asking for money. Your content is top notch, just ask for money brah.
Con artists tend to rely on the vulnerable for their success, whether their targets are easy prey due to being unintelligent, poorly informed, or inexperienced. Yet, I can hardly think of a more intelligent and capable group of people than the retro gaming community, as a hobby aside from what they may normally do. People I've known who embrace that lifestyle, for instance, have ranged from aeronautical engineers to physicists, journalists to doctors and chemists -- and on and on, quite the opposite of the sort any old schemer could usually get away with conning -- and woe to any fool who'd honestly think they could get one over in such a case, not to mention on anyone with similar leanings, without being caught and called out in a matter of moments.
And if this hasn't been a con, but simple bumbling? If that's more like what has happened? I'd still fail to see how this apparently botched effort would be worthy of their chosen community, given its usual standards.
Wow. This is crazy
okay, before I watch the video:
why not Scam-eleon?
coleco are a toy company, not a video game company.
+KanadianSpaceProgram they used to.
is it possible to use a FPGA as a multi core system yes there is one already out it is called M I S T as of today it has
18 Computers
10 Consoles
6 Arcade games
the price is £180 to £210
COMPUTERS
Acorn Archimedes
Amiga (OCS/AGA)
Amstrad CPC
Apogee BK-01 / Radio-86RK
Apple II+
Apple Macintosh
Atari ST
Atari 800
BBC Micro
BK0011M
Commodore 64
Commodore VIC-20
MSX
Sam Coupe
Sinclair QL
Specialist/MX
Vector-06C
ZX Spectrum
ZX81
CONSOLES
Atari 2600
Atari 5200
Bally Astrocade (tba)
Chip8
Colecovision
Game boy
Master System
MEGADRIVE (I AM WORKING ON)
NES
SNES (I AM WORKING ON0
PC Engine
Videopac/Odissey2
ARCADE
Frogger
Galaxian
Moon Patrol
Pacman
Pengo
Space Invaders
Other stuff
Multicomp
TG68MiniSOC
ZPUFlex
AS THEY SAY ONE CHIP TO RULE THEM ALL
I thought the channel was done
I Have been working on it for 2yrs its working without sound i didn`t start from scratch down side with this is you take on the last persons bug`s lol.
for which system should i go on with my project now? should it be a
shoot 'em up game where jaguar shells should be flying targets? Sould
the name be "Mission: Dead in the Water" ? With the enemy 'Mike
Scammedy' or 'Mike Comedy'?
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hey dangerousanalysis are you South African?
Is the steam name in the description current? Nothing shows up.
+dooman429 should be otherwise dangerousanalysis works too.
3:58 EEVblog
why did he quit twitter?
So I am a dunce. What is unique about this thing? I have seen several different machines that can play different old games.
+Stan Brooks Good point. What was supposed to be so unique was they were getting indie studios to make new games for it and were planning to port some over.. $70 shovel knight? yes please.
+dangerousanalysis I guess that could be interesting. If I was going to do something like that I would just create an online market place and have people down their games on to sdcards. It seems a lot simpler than trying to may cartridges.
+Stan Brooks It's made for those extremely hardcore nostalgia fags that think that because a game was put on a cartridge it was guaranteed to be bugfree and was just somehow more magic than a digital or disc based game.
Unfortunately even those nostalgia fags aren't so blinded by their rose tinted glasses that they can't understand the fundamental economics behind why cartridges just aren't done anymore.
Disc based mediums and online distribution are infinitely cheaper even than the cheapest cartridge or sdcard based distribution method and the ability to download patches, while it has fostered some degree of release it now fix it in a few weeks mentality it still allows devs to add new content (Shovel Knight for instance has had quite a bit of new content added to it for free via patches) and fix the bugs that still persist in the game but you could say bye bye to that if shit was cartridge based.
+Stan Brooks Yes there are lots of systems out there which can play different old games. Most of them rely on software emulation to get the games run on newer chips, essentially "translating" the games real-time to run on different hardware. This is often an imperfect solution.
The pitch here was that floating point gate array would allow them to emulate the hardware directly, instead of piping the games through a translator. This would in an ideal world give the player the game quality of running on original hardware
+DrTheKay I would disagree with that. Several games were released with glitches and bugs before downloads were prevalent on consoles. Tomb Raider, Angel of Darkness sticks out in my mind. Several of the glitches were patched for people who bought the PC version, but those who bought console versions were just out of luck.
16:20 or... At all.
I think this Indie game culture is getting way too out of hand.
+zhbvenkhoReload I like the idea behind it but there's a lot of fleecing going around. Almost like there's a indie speculator market.
Oda Swifteye
I like that term. I can get behind certain indie games, specially the ones that (if we admit it) are not-so-indie anymore because they are really good and look spectacular (Europa Universalis, Dirty Bomb) but then you have the cliche-esque 2D platformer... and the next one and then next one... and the legend of zelda clone... and the next one...
At this point wouldn't it be smarter to look into something like raspberry pi 3 and develop good emulator for this shit? If you really, really, want to play old games natively then get the original hardware.
i'd rather would have had the patreon shilling at the back end of the video, coming from not knowing the channel, you or what i am about to embark on, hearing PATREON at the start just leaves a bad impression for me.
check my video about the gamester 81 scam with the retrovgs!!!
Well this project was a huge rip off.