Great to have these two back out on the water. Terysa is easily among my favorite people on YT. She's got such an sweet personality that comes across as genuinely approachable and kind. Nick being genuine as well is a riot and always good for a chuckle, especially when he's grumbling on about something.
Nick locktite thread locker will sort out these fasteners easily. Yes you torque these down, however without a torque wrench, simply tighten until firm and with thread locker on the Clean hex head bolts, they will remain tight and you will still be able remove at a later date as required. Cleanliness is paramount with any reassembly of course. You have dealt with one, when you can maybe run around and check the others. A stitch in time saves nine stuff. Those extra stitches are expensive on boats. I do like your videos, they have a rawness/realness to them. Keen to keep watching.
I just sent 13 days in Northern Thailand in the Isan Regian ....unbelievably beautiful people...I was amazed how kind and welcoming these people were.....Flying there from West Coast USA...its a time travel trip BOTH ways....But it is ONE place I WILL Be going Back to....LOVE those People
3:45 Go to a Big Box Hardware Store, and Buy a Dog Leash Spike, That Screws Into the Ground. It Has a Triangle Handle on Top, It's About 30 Inches Long, and You Just Screw It Into the Wet Sand.
Just enjoy….you’ve worked so hard and waited so long for this day, you deserve to just relax and slowly integrate Ruby Rose II into your lives. She’s like a new baby, fussy, cranky, but oh so wonderful to have. Love you both.❤❤❤
Hi guys, Love your channel. The best method we found for dinghy anchoring is as follows. Anchor then 2 m of chain followed by a long shank shackle . The dinghy front anchor 8mm rope goes from the bow to the shackle and then all the way back to the beach. Another 8mm rope comes from the stern also to the beach. Pull the dinghy back out to deep water and then both ropes are clove hitched to a nylon peg banged into the sand or tied to something like a boulder or a tree. Keep it all in a plastic tub with handles for carrying in the dinghy when not in use and on the beach beside the peg when in use . Tie a mallet to knock the peg in with to the tub so it’s always there when needed. You can then pull the dinghy in via the back rope and move it to deeper water via the front anchor rope. This really comes useful on coral beaches or dinghy puncturing rocks and keeps the bow pointed outwards so it will ride over waves instead of taking on water. The rope should be quality or it will twist up . A fair bit of extra front rope is useful for deeper anchoring. Keep the movies coming 😊
If they take that advice, they need to make sure it's something they can use on those parts. It could make it impossible to remove those bolts without breaking or needing extreme heat.
We found a wonderful way to keep the stovetop clean. If you have an induction stove place a paper towel covering the element and place your pot in the center of the paper towel. The paper towel does not get hot and keeps splatter to a minimum.
I feel like captaining a brand new million dollar boat after years on dry land can cause .... A little stress 😅. Like @islandonlimenews said, we all get oissy sometimes. And in this case I think it's warranted 😊 IMHO of course
I love it when Nick's pissy.... he is so funny. I really like that if one is upset, they don't hide it they actually show the frustration. Always a great video !
It’s interesting how even the most experienced of people can do things that seriously mess up a sail, or the process of sail handling. It’s good that you show this. All the polished and curated sailing videos out there would lead people to believe that only rank beginners have issues like this. The “warts and all” candor is instructive and appreciated.
A video on how negotiations on the repair and warranty issues ultimately go, would be useful. Are you going to have to go all the way back to the factory, will someone come to you, or what…? A lot of complexities seem to be coming up. It’s interesting to see the day to day logistical challenges, even with brand new hardware. 🤔
Have to say this is one of my favorite channels. Always a great start to the weekend. So enjoyable and down to earth. Fair winds and safe travels. Thank you.
Dragged on SF Bay with not enough scope using a danfourth anchor. We were on the boat, playing music. Went up on deck to find we’d dragged about half a km passing a massive rock along the way. Been using anchor alarms religiously since! Also added a lot of chain to the rode.
Gotta say, I am so so happy to see you back on the water and falling in love with your new home. Thank you for sharing the ups and downs. Hello from the London Landlubbers. Stay well and passionate : - ) xx
On your stuck dingy. Pull the bow towards the water. You would be spinning the boat on the pivot point and heaviest part of the boat, the stern. When done, most of the boat will be in the water. Then, as the waves come in, simply pull and or push the boat the rest of the way into the water. Oh, and on the uselessness of the dingy wheels... Maybe try swapping them out with pneumatic wheels. They will give you the option to adjust the air pressure making them useful on soft beaches.
I can't beleive the winch bolts were that loose! That's very sloppy quality control. I do love the mechanical nature of winches. They are heavy and carefully machined and everything goes together tightly. (If they're screwed down!) I have size 6's on my boat, and love working on them. You guys look like you're settling in and relaxing more. It's been a tough couple of years.
tips from fellow cruiser (btw also see tips from me on your last video) - dinghy wheel are absolutely useless, stuff a few fenders under the dinghy on the front while you roll it onto the beach and use the fenders as rollers , much easier than dinghy wheels
My wife and i were in our boat one evening at tong nai pan and about 9pm while about to fall asleep in the front cabin we were boarded by thieves robbers pirates whatever you want to call them . Short story is i ended up chasing them down the beach after they swam ashore but let them go. Frightening experience. Check out bottle beach next door. We lived there for 3 years in the house on the hill. We loved it
NICK -- -- Get you some Silicon glue --- Light coat on the threads and they will not come loose but will come loose when you want.... better than lock tite.....
Add a swivel where the halyard attaches at the mast and it will eliminate most of the twist. The other solution is to raise it by hand as far as you can and just tighten it with the winch. The winch is what causes the twist.
Nick you know what they say BOAT means, Bust Out Another Thousand!! You know the game enjoy the new boat and the learning curve!! We all love the show and the lessons!!
Glad that y’all worked out the issues in parts not functioning as they should : also setting about relieving the irritating dingy issue by focused and easy conversation with other Seawind owners thus gaining the needed anchor fix. You eased into a No-Fail commitment to fix that necessary furling sail. Yeah team RR2!!! You are back in the saddle again, leading the charge ahead as we Texans might say, no more wrinkled shorts binding you up. You guys know plenty about what you’re doing. RRRelaxing bye and bye. Good on yas. Hasta luego.
What a lovely place, so beautiful! It’s weird that you’re already doing boat maintenance but I guess that’s the reality of owning a boat huh, she’s a beauty btw. Thanks for the eps ❤😊
What a beautiful spot. Love your videos. You might want to try the Beachmaster dingy wheels. This is a NZ business. We bought these years ago and have been really pleased with them. We're able to pull our tender up the beach much easier than any other brand. Safe travels.
Great to see you enjoying the fruits of your labours! I did think the dinghy would be heavy, dual anchors is a good solution! Bolts do tend to work loose after they've first been tightened up so probably after the first few sails you'll find quite a few that need tightening.
I can relate. After having a travel trailer for 12 years we purchased a new high end off road travel trailer. I expected all would be good. Six months in and 1 of 3 lithium batteries died and a propane regulator died. We were fortunate in both cases to be relatively close to a place to obtain replacements. It seems like nearly every trip I learn more about the rig and how to maintain it. Travel trailers are a lot like sail boats, things always break or ware out when you least expect it. Just part of the adventure.
Hi Nick would you like to dispense with your headsail halyard and the swivel at the mast head ? this system will save a halyard and free up a cleat also as there is no swivel there is nothing to jam .
Ok, personally I am not in the position to buy/have built a new catamaran. However, putting myself in the position of someone watching YT with that prospect, at this moment, I am still holding out. For now I would not be one to buy a Seawind Cat. Looking forward to compare your experience with the Wynns' start of their experience. If that is better, I'd at least be sure that these are NOT just the usual hickups for a new boat. Really looking forward to what will come on this and the Wynns' channel!
Peanut gallery advice: 1) always furl code sail while off the wind not head to wind. The furl will be much cleaner. 2). To remove twist from halyard you might have been able to use a messenger line. 3). Middle age mine wear shirts while avoiding going to weather.
So you did all the specs for the boat, had it built, and now you have a fabulous yacht. It's much roomier than your last boat. But its' sailboat and they are complicated machines, so little issues will continue until you master all the toys you now have. So maybe a Captain Rick Moore approach of How to Sail your Yacht University, rather what's under warranty. I enjoyed the winch repair, but you left me hanging by tightening the loose bolts half tight, then assembling it all without showing that you had tightened them fully.
I've never owned or lived on a boat, but its sounding to me like getting settled in a new boat is a lot like getting settled in a new house. Thanks for sharing.
Yep, everything needs to eventually break and get replaced new. And then it starts over again. Water, sun, marine air and salt, all corrosive. Regular maintenance. Love living on an Island! 😂😂😂😊😊😊oh a small sump pump for the dinghy, they have tiny ones.
Nice one guys. Screeches really aren't that scary. Always furl on a downwind with a tad of sheet tension and all is good. If on a tight reach with screecher a quick bear away to furl then immediately head back up to chosen course. Seems weird but works a treat. Love ya vids.
Loving the Thailand content - what are your plans once you've got everything ship-shape? Really looking forward to the route you've got in mind for the next few thousand miles!
Are dingy self bailers still a thing? My father did a lot of development work on IRB's (inflatable rescue boats) for Surf Life saving 50 odd years ago. We used to have a couple of 1 - 2" holes low in the transom fitted with rubberised fire hose about 8-12" long. The hose was normally open on the inboard end and collapsed on the outboard end. Very effective for draining the boat which was often half full of seawater after crashing through the surf break, or when it was dragged up on the beach. I assume somebody has built a much better mousetrap since then !
@ 3:25 - "can't anchor the dinghy because Nick doesn't trust the dinghy anchor"...utter nonsense. Get a Mantus dinghy anchor with 10 ft stainless dinghy chain and anchor within wading distance. Been doing it for 7 years without a mishap. If the conditions are so rough and/or windy you can't trust that, then you shouldn't be attempting it in the first place.
Wow we have been exactly there in 2020, bought smoothie from same trader, fabulous place... Just what you needed a little mini break on a thai beach...all ending in smiles 😃
Roll the tender up the beach on 3 long fenders. Sail Safe Guys, Ant & Cid.
Great to have these two back out on the water. Terysa is easily among my favorite people on YT. She's got such an sweet personality that comes across as genuinely approachable and kind. Nick being genuine as well is a riot and always good for a chuckle, especially when he's grumbling on about something.
I may or may not wish many a gremlin on Nick for his epic rants. Maybe.
Nick locktite thread locker will sort out these fasteners easily. Yes you torque these down, however without a torque wrench, simply tighten until firm and with thread locker on the Clean hex head bolts, they will remain tight and you will still be able remove at a later date as required. Cleanliness is paramount with any reassembly of course. You have dealt with one, when you can maybe run around and check the others. A stitch in time saves nine stuff. Those extra stitches are expensive on boats.
I do like your videos, they have a rawness/realness to them. Keen to keep watching.
I just sent 13 days in Northern Thailand in the Isan Regian ....unbelievably beautiful people...I was amazed how kind and welcoming these people were.....Flying there from West Coast USA...its a time travel trip BOTH ways....But it is ONE place I WILL Be going Back to....LOVE those People
3:45 Go to a Big Box Hardware Store, and Buy a Dog Leash Spike, That Screws Into the Ground. It Has a Triangle Handle on Top, It's About 30 Inches Long, and You Just Screw It Into the Wet Sand.
Just enjoy….you’ve worked so hard and waited so long for this day, you deserve to just relax and slowly integrate Ruby Rose II into your lives. She’s like a new baby, fussy, cranky, but oh so wonderful to have. Love you both.❤❤❤
Hi guys, Love your channel.
The best method we found for dinghy anchoring is as follows.
Anchor then 2 m of chain followed by a long shank shackle . The dinghy front anchor 8mm rope goes from the bow to the shackle and then all the way back to the beach.
Another 8mm rope comes from the stern also to the beach. Pull the dinghy back out to deep water and then both ropes are clove hitched to a nylon peg banged into the sand or tied to something like a boulder or a tree. Keep it all in a plastic tub with handles for carrying in the dinghy when not in use and on the beach beside the peg when in use . Tie a mallet to knock the peg in with to the tub so it’s always there when needed.
You can then pull the dinghy in via the back rope and move it to deeper water via the front anchor rope.
This really comes useful on coral beaches or dinghy puncturing rocks and keeps the bow pointed outwards so it will ride over waves instead of taking on water.
The rope should be quality or it will twist up . A fair bit of extra front rope is useful for deeper anchoring.
Keep the movies coming 😊
It seems like some of the screws on those winches could use some Loctite. Nice to see you two relax and take time to sort out the boat.
If they take that advice, they need to make sure it's something they can use on those parts. It could make it impossible to remove those bolts without breaking or needing extreme heat.
They do make removable loctite not sure you need to remove them but in time everything will loosen up nothing is forever! 😂
You just use the medium strength loctite - I would think winches require this as they are subject to quite a bit of vibration.
Looks like it's all smoothing out for you, smooth sailing.
As they say… Sailing is travelling and staying in exotic places, while doing boat repairs! Its certainly a very beautiful place. Enjoy!
The easy job is buying stuff, the hard job is maintaining it, so well done, many more to go 👍
Always a good idea to pause and take in the beauty around you.
We found a wonderful way to keep the stovetop clean. If you have an induction stove place a paper towel covering the element and place your pot in the center of the paper towel. The paper towel does not get hot and keeps splatter to a minimum.
You know you have a Bunnings hat on. Love it!
Good to see Nick in not such a pissy mood.
Haha go easy on him we all get pissy. And if you ever captained you know it’s high stress.
I feel like captaining a brand new million dollar boat after years on dry land can cause .... A little stress 😅.
Like @islandonlimenews said, we all get oissy sometimes. And in this case I think it's warranted 😊
IMHO of course
@@islandonlinenews and he’s English. It’s in their blood.
I’d be pissy too if my new million dollar boat did not meet my expectations
I love it when Nick's pissy.... he is so funny. I really like that if one is upset, they don't hide it they actually show the frustration.
Always a great video !
Glad you got the SCREECHER sorted out . Very BEAUTIFUL PLACE . You guys are great.
So happy for you to be back on the water. Good to see Nick doing boat projects again!
Getting all the bugs out is a process for sure. But the ultimate reward of a well oiled machine is just on the horizon 😉.
Get wheels for the dinghy, they're not useless Nick. Been using them for decades on all sorts of surfaces
It’s interesting how even the most experienced of people can do things that seriously mess up a sail, or the process of sail handling. It’s good that you show this. All the polished and curated sailing videos out there would lead people to believe that only rank beginners have issues like this. The “warts and all” candor is instructive and appreciated.
Might I suggest a dab of blue Loctite on those bolts just in case they're working themselves loose with use.
A video on how negotiations on the repair and warranty issues ultimately go, would be useful. Are you going to have to go all the way back to the factory, will someone come to you, or what…? A lot of complexities seem to be coming up. It’s interesting to see the day to day logistical challenges, even with brand new hardware. 🤔
Have to say this is one of my favorite channels. Always a great start to the weekend. So enjoyable and down to earth. Fair winds and safe travels. Thank you.
Dragged on SF Bay with not enough scope using a danfourth anchor. We were on the boat, playing music. Went up on deck to find we’d dragged about half a km passing a massive rock along the way. Been using anchor alarms religiously since! Also added a lot of chain to the rode.
Gotta say, I am so so happy to see you back on the water and falling in love with your new home. Thank you for sharing the ups and downs. Hello from the London Landlubbers. Stay well and passionate : - ) xx
On your stuck dingy.
Pull the bow towards the water. You would be spinning the boat on the pivot point and heaviest part of the boat, the stern. When done, most of the boat will be in the water. Then, as the waves come in, simply pull and or push the boat the rest of the way into the water.
Oh, and on the uselessness of the dingy wheels... Maybe try swapping them out with pneumatic wheels. They will give you the option to adjust the air pressure making them useful on soft beaches.
I can't beleive the winch bolts were that loose! That's very sloppy quality control. I do love the mechanical nature of winches. They are heavy and carefully machined and everything goes together tightly. (If they're screwed down!) I have size 6's on my boat, and love working on them. You guys look like you're settling in and relaxing more. It's been a tough couple of years.
tips from fellow cruiser (btw also see tips from me on your last video)
- dinghy wheel are absolutely useless, stuff a few fenders under the dinghy on the front while you roll it onto the beach and use the fenders as rollers , much easier than dinghy wheels
My wife and i were in our boat one evening at tong nai pan and about 9pm while about to fall asleep in the front cabin we were boarded by thieves robbers pirates whatever you want to call them . Short story is i ended up chasing them down the beach after they swam ashore but let them go. Frightening experience. Check out bottle beach next door. We lived there for 3 years in the house on the hill. We loved it
Aussie girl with her bunnings hat. 👍
NICK -- -- Get you some Silicon glue --- Light coat on the threads and they will not come loose but will come loose when you want.... better than lock tite.....
Wow! That beach looks awesome. Great job in the skreecher.
The dinghy is elaborate and large defeating many of the purposes of a dinghy.
Add a swivel where the halyard attaches at the mast and it will eliminate most of the twist. The other solution is to raise it by hand as far as you can and just tighten it with the winch. The winch is what causes the twist.
Nick you know what they say BOAT means, Bust Out Another Thousand!! You know the game enjoy the new boat and the learning curve!! We all love the show and the lessons!!
What a lovely place I would stay there till all the boat jobs were done or the weather turned to crap
Nick is a stud. Love seeing you guys enjoy yourselves. This channel is back to doing what it does best.
What?? Not with those monkey nipples!
I'm so glad you guys are 'back'. I'm finally caught up and enjoying every episode of RR2. Cheers.
Maybe 🤔 every screw put lock tight on them! 😊enjoy your adventures glad you’re sailing again ✌️
Classily if the head of a. Screw is a flat tip, Roberts or Phillips , it’s not torqued
A Mantus dinghy anchor is needed now
Glad that y’all worked out the issues in parts not functioning as they should : also setting about relieving the irritating dingy issue by focused and easy conversation with other Seawind owners thus gaining the needed anchor fix. You eased into a No-Fail commitment to fix that necessary furling sail. Yeah team RR2!!! You are back in the saddle again, leading the charge ahead as we Texans might say, no more wrinkled shorts binding you up. You guys know plenty about what you’re doing. RRRelaxing bye and bye. Good on yas. Hasta luego.
It's not too late, you can get an OCT tender and sell that Highfield while it still has some value
If you have the time. Kho Chang is one of my favorite islands in Thailand. On the other side of the Gulf. About 200nm from Kho Pangna.
Lovely white shirt Nick looks good on you
Loctite is your friend!😊
Ah you guys...good vibes x🤗🤗 Thanks for sharing 🤗🤗
7:42 nice
What a lovely place, so beautiful! It’s weird that you’re already doing boat maintenance but I guess that’s the reality of owning a boat huh, she’s a beauty btw. Thanks for the eps ❤😊
Another great episode!! Heading to Thailand and you've inspired us to try to extend our stay!!
What a beautiful spot. Love your videos.
You might want to try the Beachmaster dingy wheels. This is a NZ business. We bought these years ago and have been really pleased with them. We're able to pull our tender up the beach much easier than any other brand.
Safe travels.
Furl the screecher always when going downwind!
Thank-you both. I really enjoyed this episode!. Back to the RR style👍👍
2:20...Was That an Avocado...?
I am so happy to see you sailing again. I love watching these and having a weekly escape from teaching high school. Enjoy that day off!
So pleased that you guys sorted out the screecher without too many difficulties. Looking forward to seeing you guys sail with it :)
Things are coming together. Looks like you both are relaxing more. Remember to enjoy your journey.
❤ looking good out there guys. 😊🌏👍
This rainy season that will not end is starting to weigh everyone down here in Rayong. how has the rain been down where your at?
CHEERS ❤❤ TO YOU TWO! Getting your sea legs with your Seawind, step by step right! Enjoy!
Nick u make me laugh your awesome. Great video ty
Good job on the schreecher.
Great to see you enjoying the fruits of your labours! I did think the dinghy would be heavy, dual anchors is a good solution! Bolts do tend to work loose after they've first been tightened up so probably after the first few sails you'll find quite a few that need tightening.
Thanks you two another awesome video to watch and be able to dream
I miss sailing, then I see this video. I do not miss the constant maintenance. I would love to know the maintenance/sail time ratio for the lifestyle.
I can relate. After having a travel trailer for 12 years we purchased a new high end off road travel trailer. I expected all would be good. Six months in and 1 of 3 lithium batteries died and a propane regulator died. We were fortunate in both cases to be relatively close to a place to obtain replacements. It seems like nearly every trip I learn more about the rig and how to maintain it. Travel trailers are a lot like sail boats, things always break or ware out when you least expect it. Just part of the adventure.
It's nice to see you two out cruising again. These videos are the best!! Cheers from a cheery but getting colder Canada!
Hi Nick would you like to dispense with your headsail halyard and the swivel at the mast head ? this system will save a halyard and free up a cleat also as there is no swivel there is nothing to jam .
I think you guys need a OC Tender.
Ok, personally I am not in the position to buy/have built a new catamaran. However, putting myself in the position of someone watching YT with that prospect, at this moment, I am still holding out. For now I would not be one to buy a Seawind Cat. Looking forward to compare your experience with the Wynns' start of their experience. If that is better, I'd at least be sure that these are NOT just the usual hickups for a new boat.
Really looking forward to what will come on this and the Wynns' channel!
Thailand is so beautiful. I hope you are able to take lots of pictures.
Peanut gallery advice: 1) always furl code sail while off the wind not head to wind. The furl will be much cleaner. 2). To remove twist from halyard you might have been able to use a messenger line. 3). Middle age mine wear shirts while avoiding going to weather.
It’s really rather wonderful to see the pair of you relaxed good on you
Go Bunnings!
So good to see you both relaxing a little more........ taking time to ease back into it all and not being so stressed. HUGS
Awesome you two
So you did all the specs for the boat, had it built, and now you have a fabulous yacht. It's much roomier than your last boat. But its' sailboat and they are complicated machines, so little issues will continue until you master all the toys you now have. So maybe a Captain Rick Moore approach of How to Sail your Yacht University, rather what's under warranty. I enjoyed the winch repair, but you left me hanging by tightening the loose bolts half tight, then assembling it all without showing that you had tightened them fully.
Enjoy your day off, you've earned it.
Thankyou 👍
I've never owned or lived on a boat, but its sounding to me like getting settled in a new boat is a lot like getting settled in a new house. Thanks for sharing.
Yep, everything needs to eventually break and get replaced new. And then it starts over again. Water, sun, marine air and salt, all corrosive. Regular maintenance. Love living on an Island! 😂😂😂😊😊😊oh a small sump pump for the dinghy, they have tiny ones.
Happy for you both! You have come a long ways.
I really enjoy the sarcasm! Just saying! Keep your chins up and keep posting. Thank you for sharing!
Wow what a beautiful anchorage. It should be no surprise that there are a few things that need adjustment or need to be figured out.
Good job nick
You got this it only takes time ! 😅❤
Nice one guys. Screeches really aren't that scary. Always furl on a downwind with a tad of sheet tension and all is good. If on a tight reach with screecher a quick bear away to furl then immediately head back up to chosen course. Seems weird but works a treat. Love ya vids.
Well done tightening down that winch.
Looks wonderful. Relax an unwind.
Good to see you got the winch to stop wobbling and also got the Screecher figured out so you can now use it and really start to relax.
Loving the Thailand content - what are your plans once you've got everything ship-shape? Really looking forward to the route you've got in mind for the next few thousand miles!
Thanks Nick and Teresa
Finally some smiles and relaxation, y'all are back!
Are dingy self bailers still a thing? My father did a lot of development work on IRB's (inflatable rescue boats) for Surf Life saving 50 odd years ago. We used to have a couple of 1 - 2" holes low in the transom fitted with rubberised fire hose about 8-12" long. The hose was normally open on the inboard end and collapsed on the outboard end. Very effective for draining the boat which was often half full of seawater after crashing through the surf break, or when it was dragged up on the beach.
I assume somebody has built a much better mousetrap since then !
Happy ending for all 👍
It's impossible to look ridiculous in a Bunnings hat 👍
Bahahah that is true
all hail the Bunnings hat!
Oh god all that way and a Bunnings hat you have to be kidding a little bit to much cocker.
@ 3:25 - "can't anchor the dinghy because Nick doesn't trust the dinghy anchor"...utter nonsense. Get a Mantus dinghy anchor with 10 ft stainless dinghy chain and anchor within wading distance. Been doing it for 7 years without a mishap. If the conditions are so rough and/or windy you can't trust that, then you shouldn't be attempting it in the first place.
Wow we have been exactly there in 2020, bought smoothie from same trader, fabulous place...
Just what you needed a little mini break on a thai beach...all ending in smiles 😃
So now that the boat has arrived, when is the big day happening ie Mr And Mrs.
You need to use locktight buddy, that will be loose in another few weeks.
Loctite those bolts and they should stay tight.