I've bought 5 sets of these so far for different trucks and have been impressed. They don't seem to cut or chunk up as bad as most other brands and so far we haven't even had a flat tire. I'd say the most we have on a set is 20k and they still look good. They're loud but no more so than other mud tires
I put the 35x12.5 R20 on my diesel ram a few months back. Have about 8k miles on highway/ and pulling my trailers (28' enclosed, small utility, and 34' camper) Almost no visible wear yet. Road noise has picked up but all in all for the price im completely satisfied. great all weather traction and pull great offroad. Was in the same boat with next to no info on em but so far so good.
Nice video, I just put 4 of these tires on my Bronco, 35x12.5/17, road noise is very little, been off road 5 times with Nittos which seem pretty good, not a big fan of rock crawling, love the mud, trails and hill climbing, pine barrens in NJ and reading off road park in PA. I heard these are not good in snow but winter just started in PA so we will see, I still have the Nittos on fuel wheels so both sets should last long for me.
Thanks! Not sure of any MT that will be good on snowy roads, but I can definitely vouch for these being good in the deep stuff! At least here in MI they’ve done very well for me. Especially when you drop some PSI.
Never heard of them not because of marketing! I’m glad to run across your video. Will check them out now that I’m in the market for off road tires!! Hope the channel is doing well !!
I got my first Jeep some 50 years ago now. There was a time when we really only had two choices for off-road tires, Armstrong and Dick Cepek. The Cepeks were just Armstrongs with Dick Cepek's logo on them. I grew up in the Desert Southwest, I always ran Desert Dogs off-road and Norsemans Monday thru Friday.
I ran both Tru Tracs and Norseman tires back in the day. I'm excited to see them back, but their website does not list tire weight. Tire weight is a primary design criteria that I look at when choosing tires.
I agree weight can be a big factor for power/mpg, but also keep in mind heavier tires keeps more weight low to the ground which can be beneficial for low speed crawling.
Your truck is a beast and tires are definitely I’ve never really off-road in my truck yet I have a 2018 Toyota Tacoma TRD Sport I bought it two months ago because I wanted to six cylinder and I was looking for 2023 and my daughter‘s uncle works for a Toyota dealership and he’s always been able to take care of everybody in the past but since the new Tacoma has a four-cylinder nobody wants it I’m not saying nobody but people that are really into Toyota they want the sixth cylinder motor across the street from my house is a big valley big valley and I have a John Deere gator 825 I I bought it in 2016 brand new I never went anywhere besides across the street and when I say across the street it’s really big over there and it goes to other areas as well but I’m gonna put it in exhaust system and raise it up and get some new tires but I am working on my truck right now but I am going to do some stuff to that so I can take it with me when I finally do go somewhere I can take my truck Those tires can you ride them like all-terrain tires or will they get wore out black when I was younger I’m 48 so I’m not that young but when I was young I had a rodeo at the grill guards the ski racks in the fog lights like this is back in 1996 and I bought Mickey Thompson off-road tires didn’t get all-terrain I got off-road but like back then the selection wasn’t like it is now with all terrain tires and all that stuff but I just bought them because I like the way they sounded when you drove on the street I was just young and they were out pretty quick that’s because I was young and I drove a lot but do you recommend that for all-terrain tire I mean like I don’t drive my truck that much so if I did buy something like that how long would it last how many miles because you have the experience with them I’m not gonna believe somebody who don’t know what you’re talking about and you definitely sound like you know what you’re talking about my son actually has the same truck as you got Jeep Cherokee I am 110 years ago I had that I know infinity I 35 and a 350 Z
You're too young to of heard of them... 😀Pirelli bought Armstrong in the late 80s and in the early 90s, they phased them out. A friend who ran a Class 8 truck was sponsored by Armstrong Tire. As mentioned the Tru Trac 32-11.50-15 Bias Ply tire was the go to in the 70s... aired down to single digits. (I believe they were available in a radial briefly) We also ran aircraft tires here in the SW deserts... Gates Commando... Goodyear Hi-Miler... Firestone... Every tractor implement dealer sold some type of bias ply farm/off road tire., many ran them on Jeeps, FJ-40s, Broncos & Scouts... all the pick ups... Your aired down test shows why load range E tires should be left to heavier trucks and not Jeeps... sure folks run them, but there is no need.
It’s a good thing I’m really good at research then 😉. I study up when it comes to this offroad stuff. But saying there is no need to run a LR E tire mostly boils down to the fact that size availability sometimes limits you. I think this demo actually shows that they can work great with the right tire. Bias ply tires have even stiffer sidewalls. Which is why they NEED to be aired down to single digits. Seeing this sidewall flex at 5 psi is exactly why they can work well.
It's a shame that Armstrong is focusing on the BroDozer market with 20 inch wheel sizes instead of the real offroaders market where 17's are the go-to size. I'd buy a set of these if they were available as a 37 or 38 for a 17 inch wheel.
These look great and I don’t doubt their performance but man, they are heavy compared to other E rated mud tires. I’m actually in the market and looking.
@@engineeringoverland every 35x12.5 R17 MT tire I’ve looked at has been about 10lbs lighter, or more (per tire) than this tire. Toyo, Nitto, Mickey T, Kenda and Yokohama. Light weight isn’t everything but it’s something to consider.
@@engineeringoverland nitto trail grappler is 79.89 lbs Armstrong desert dog mt is 86.42 lbs. pretty sure the Armstrong is the heaviest 35x12.50 tire I’ve come across.
What wheels are you running? Leave the mic on the side of the road and drive by it. Can everyone hear you coming? That's what I think of when I think mud tire on the road.
That's not how economics works. They could actually lower the price if they sell more. Higher production number typically lowers the production cost per unit.
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I've bought 5 sets of these so far for different trucks and have been impressed. They don't seem to cut or chunk up as bad as most other brands and so far we haven't even had a flat tire.
I'd say the most we have on a set is 20k and they still look good. They're loud but no more so than other mud tires
Armstrong was always my go to tire. I used to run Armstrong Norseman tires in the late 70's on my fj40. Great to see them making a comeback.
They've done a great job checking all the boxes of a modern MT.
I put the 35x12.5 R20 on my diesel ram a few months back. Have about 8k miles on highway/ and pulling my trailers (28' enclosed, small utility, and 34' camper) Almost no visible wear yet. Road noise has picked up but all in all for the price im completely satisfied. great all weather traction and pull great offroad. Was in the same boat with next to no info on em but so far so good.
They definitely don't wear like a cheap tire! Hope this video helps people not be in the same boat as us going in blind!
Nice video, I just put 4 of these tires on my Bronco, 35x12.5/17, road noise is very little, been off road 5 times with Nittos which seem pretty good, not a big fan of rock crawling, love the mud, trails and hill climbing, pine barrens in NJ and reading off road park in PA. I heard these are not good in snow but winter just started in PA so we will see, I still have the Nittos on fuel wheels so both sets should last long for me.
Thanks! Not sure of any MT that will be good on snowy roads, but I can definitely vouch for these being good in the deep stuff! At least here in MI they’ve done very well for me. Especially when you drop some PSI.
The Armstrong Desert Dog reminds me a lot of the Milestar Patagonia MT. They are both Awesome looking tires.
They definitely have some similarities, but having run both, I personally have to put this one on top!
Never heard of them not because of marketing! I’m glad to run across your video. Will check them out now that I’m in the market for off road tires!! Hope the channel is doing well !!
That's what I'm here for! Love finding hidden gems like this. I don't mind being the guinea pig.
Armstrong tru-tracs were big in the 70's, they had what was called the norseman tread pattern
Pretty awesome to have a new modern take on the original classic!
Hey man good view on tires im planning on buying these soon
Thanks! You won't be disappointed!
@engineeringoverland thanks buddy can't wait!!!
We ran the oldschool Desert Dogs for years on our Jeeps
Knew there would be some OG's in here!
I got my first Jeep some 50 years ago now. There was a time when we really only had two choices for off-road tires, Armstrong and Dick Cepek. The Cepeks were just Armstrongs with Dick Cepek's logo on them. I grew up in the Desert Southwest, I always ran Desert Dogs off-road and Norsemans Monday thru Friday.
So much history with these tires! Makes me happy this reincarnation doesn't disappoint!
I have the 35x12.50R18 on my 2019 f150 and from a foresters pov it has done really well in the mud. Not overly loud for an mt either.
They are definitely quieter than the average mud terrain!
@engineeringoverland they were only 2db louder than the perelli atr and 2db quieter than the toyo mts I took off.
I ran both Tru Tracs and Norseman tires back in the day. I'm excited to see them back, but their website does not list tire weight. Tire weight is a primary design criteria that I look at when choosing tires.
I agree weight can be a big factor for power/mpg, but also keep in mind heavier tires keeps more weight low to the ground which can be beneficial for low speed crawling.
Your truck is a beast and tires are definitely I’ve never really off-road in my truck yet I have a 2018 Toyota Tacoma TRD Sport I bought it two months ago because I wanted to six cylinder and I was looking for 2023 and my daughter‘s uncle works for a Toyota dealership and he’s always been able to take care of everybody in the past but since the new Tacoma has a four-cylinder nobody wants it I’m not saying nobody but people that are really into Toyota they want the sixth cylinder motor across the street from my house is a big valley big valley and I have a John Deere gator 825 I I bought it in 2016 brand new I never went anywhere besides across the street and when I say across the street it’s really big over there and it goes to other areas as well but I’m gonna put it in exhaust system and raise it up and get some new tires but I am working on my truck right now but I am going to do some stuff to that so I can take it with me when I finally do go somewhere I can take my truck
Those tires can you ride them like all-terrain tires or will they get wore out black when I was younger I’m 48 so I’m not that young but when I was young I had a rodeo at the grill guards the ski racks in the fog lights like this is back in 1996 and I bought Mickey Thompson off-road tires didn’t get all-terrain I got off-road but like back then the selection wasn’t like it is now with all terrain tires and all that stuff but I just bought them because I like the way they sounded when you drove on the street I was just young and they were out pretty quick that’s because I was young and I drove a lot but do you recommend that for all-terrain tire I mean like I don’t drive my truck that much so if I did buy something like that how long would it last how many miles because you have the experience with them I’m not gonna believe somebody who don’t know what you’re talking about and you definitely sound like you know what you’re talking about my son actually has the same truck as you got Jeep Cherokee I am 110 years ago I had that I know infinity I 35 and a 350 Z
Kenda clever has been awesome for about 28k. Still going strong
Haven't heard much about those, but they're some nice looking tires!
Is this the same company from the 70s or did someone buy the name?
Just ordered these for my truck the 33’s. 698 after tax with a discount on simpli tire
Heck yeah, hope your experience is as good as mine!
Bring back to old Armstrong “try-trac” tires. Make them in all sizes. My father had set on 47 and 1980 Jeep CJ. “32x11.50x15”
Tru-trac
They actually make several Tru-Trac tires! Not sure if they have all of the sizes, but check out their website.
After a quick look at the website, very limited in tires sizes.
Yeah, unfortunately the sizes for 17" wheel are very limited right now. Hoping we can change that by getting more interest through these videos!
You're too young to of heard of them... 😀Pirelli bought Armstrong in the late 80s and in the early 90s, they phased them out.
A friend who ran a Class 8 truck was sponsored by Armstrong Tire.
As mentioned the Tru Trac 32-11.50-15 Bias Ply tire was the go to in the 70s... aired down to single digits. (I believe they were available in a radial briefly)
We also ran aircraft tires here in the SW deserts...
Gates Commando...
Goodyear Hi-Miler...
Firestone...
Every tractor implement dealer sold some type of bias ply farm/off road tire., many ran them on Jeeps, FJ-40s, Broncos & Scouts... all the pick ups...
Your aired down test shows why load range E tires should be left to heavier trucks and not Jeeps... sure folks run them, but there is no need.
It’s a good thing I’m really good at research then 😉. I study up when it comes to this offroad stuff.
But saying there is no need to run a LR E tire mostly boils down to the fact that size availability sometimes limits you. I think this demo actually shows that they can work great with the right tire. Bias ply tires have even stiffer sidewalls. Which is why they NEED to be aired down to single digits. Seeing this sidewall flex at 5 psi is exactly why they can work well.
Armstrong tru trac 1976 on my 70 blazer
Awesome!
It's a shame that Armstrong is focusing on the BroDozer market with 20 inch wheel sizes instead of the real offroaders market where 17's are the go-to size. I'd buy a set of these if they were available as a 37 or 38 for a 17 inch wheel.
I completely agree. If more offroaders show interest, I'm hopeful we can change that.
Did you have any problems balancing them?
Nope, all balanced great. 1 had a bit more weight than the others, but nothing too bad And they ride smooth.
It sucks they no sizes for a R15......and then just one size for the R17.....
I agree, the the only negative is the current size availability. But lets hope more interest means more sizes!
They picked the most common upgrade size for a Jeep. Makes perfect sense.
These look great and I don’t doubt their performance but man, they are heavy compared to other E rated mud tires. I’m actually in the market and looking.
What have you compared them to?
@@engineeringoverland every 35x12.5 R17 MT tire I’ve looked at has been about 10lbs lighter, or more (per tire) than this tire. Toyo, Nitto, Mickey T, Kenda and Yokohama. Light weight isn’t everything but it’s something to consider.
Nitto trail grappler is almost 4 lbs heavier than this. No 2 tires that are the same size will ever be 10lbs different.
Yokohama is like 16 lbs lighter.
@@engineeringoverland nitto trail grappler is 79.89 lbs
Armstrong desert dog mt is 86.42 lbs. pretty sure the Armstrong is the heaviest 35x12.50 tire I’ve come across.
Price?
I just found the size he is showing for mid $800s to get 4 tires. I can't find them in 33s which I need.
I got mine through Tire Streets. Price will depend on your size.
I picked up 35x12.50R18 for 900 ish
In order to know about Armstrong tires you need to be at least 35 plus years old lol.
I thought Armstrong was no longer?
They're back and better than ever!
What wheels are you running? Leave the mic on the side of the road and drive by it. Can everyone hear you coming? That's what I think of when I think mud tire on the road.
Wheels are from Hartes Metal. And good suggestion. Will have to try that.
Why would you announce this man. Let ppl do,their out research. Youre just driving up the price. Sad really.
That's not how economics works. They could actually lower the price if they sell more. Higher production number typically lowers the production cost per unit.
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