Will Cincinnati Bengals Be Able to Protect Joe Burrow? O-Line Expert Weighs In!
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- Опубліковано 22 тра 2024
- The Cincinnati Bengals drafted Amarius Mims and signed Trent Brown in free agency. Will they be able to protect Joe Burrow this season?
James Rapien and Jake Liscow are joined by Brandon Thorn of the Trench Warfare Newsletter and Bleacher Report to discuss Mims, Trent Brown, Matt Lee and more!
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Jake loves that, “beat it across his face” phrase 😂
At the Combine former Eagles center Jason Kelce weighed In at 280 lbs. he played at 295. When Lee was at the combine he sighed in at 301 but his listed weight is 295. Former Titans center Aron Brewer is 6’2’’ and st his Pro Day weighed in at 274. He is a center/guard. He started for the Titans at Center the last 3 years. Before that he layed guard for the Titans. At 274 pounds. He is listed as 265. At his testing he weighed 274. And he pays guard and center at that weight. He plays for the Dolphins now. Signed an extension with them. The point is you do t have to be a certain size to play guard center or tackle. Or any position for that matter. Hassan Reddick is one of the best edge rushers in the league and he is 6’1’’ 240. While traditionally nose tackles were always really big there are lots of nose tackles who are not. Like the Rams Turner is their NT and he is 285. Jay Tufele is a NT he is 305. Bell that NT we picked up on waivers last year is 310.
As long as the starters remain healthy especially on the interior O line. Our backups at guard and maybe center are trash. I am less worried about tackle because i really think Mims is that good. Plus Trent Brown has not played a full slate of gamed forever. Mims will play. Does anyone think that a 7th round center could play for Karas??? He cant play any other position like guard. We are in trouble if Karas or one of the guards gets hurt for any significant amount of time. The Bengals have not invested in taking interior linemen in the draft rather they have taken "projects" from the late rounds but none of these people are ready to be NFL starters. I want to see what Pollock can do with this group of starters. The glass eater platitude only goes so far when the performance on the field has failed to live up to it.
Love the cordell talk, wish you would have asked about his progression through his sophomore season though
You guys should've let him know his camera was all jacked up.
He needs like a green background or his room was too dark I think.
Matt Lee, my Hurricane guy
Brandon “things like that” Thorn 😅 my guy
Hopefully this kid is motivated and a capable learner. The Browns are the best for him to learn from
Could Lee play centre and Karras bump out to guard (which he’s done) in a pinch? Who Dey 🏈🇦🇺🐅
We finally got that protection for our QB1 and all standing at 6’8 🧡🖤🏈🔥
REVENGE TOUR BEGINS NOW!!! 😈
This Channel Should Be Called Dog On The Bengals HAHAHAHA
This year is really an easy solution to getting back to winning 🏈 GAME!!!😅
We have "The Burrowlin wall". He gonna keep a clean jersey this season. Hopefully volson takes a leap since we havent addressed his position and depth at the position. Sign dalton risner
It’s not about inexperience. It’s about availability
Who Dey
513BENGALS 👶❤
Trent Brown is 6’9’’ by the way. Cordell Volson is going to be just fine I think. He first year he was barely servicable he had a grade of 53 overall. His second year the first 8 games didn’t look a lot different than the 1st year but after Burrow got hurt it’s like someone flipped a switch because he was almost flawless for the last 8 or 9 games. I mean he was dam good. His overall grade improved from 53 to 58.7 but if he had played the whole season like he did in the second half his grade would have been somewhere in the 70’s without a doubt. You have to understand this too Volson was from an FCS program the best FCS program but lower competition in every way. AND he played TACKLE at North Dakota State. So he gets to the NFL to the hardest division in football and he is learning a new position so it was rough. I would have been shocked if it haven’t been rough. But Volson is made of the right stuff. He is an ole country boy and he is strong and tough as fucking nails. He has t missed a snap in 2 years. His first year 2022 Volson played all 3 pre season game all 17 of the season AND 3 playoff games. That’s fucking brutal and not once did he complain bit even miss one fucking snap. If Volson can get to a grade of about 65-70 that would be great. That’s average play 64-71 is average in my opinion.
Toward the end of the season I saw a lineman run blocking 40 yards downfield and running into the end zone in celebration of the score. It was Volson. I saw his biopic. You have to love where he comes from.
The reason he was better after Burrow was hurt is because the offense changed. There were far more under center formations. He is built for a more balanced style of offense.
I like Volson, but if the Bengals continue with a pass heavy/wide formations and there's no reason to suspect that they won't (its what Burrow excels at) Volson will never look significantly better than he already is.
Still need a serviceable LG. Burrow has amassed quite a catalog of injuries and absences playing behind this half measure oline. Volson is the definition of a half measure. The Bengals are ruining Burrow just like many negative people though they would when they drafted him, and again when they didn't draft Sewell (I was team Chase), and again year after year by sifting through the bargain bin of castoffs and free agents. Add to that the host of terrible decisions like passing on Humphrey for Carman and here we are, looking at the '24 season, with one of the worst guards in football set to reprise his role when there were a plethora of starting IOL available for the Bengals to draft this year all the way through the 5th round. Burrow is coming off an yet another injury that ended a season. They just never do enough. Good teams have enough and get more. The Bengals never seem to even reach the point of having enough. You can have 4 Whitworths or Munozes along that line, but one weak link, one Volson, means the other 4 parts don't count for a lot.
Casual
Just find a pro bowl LG (likely pay 15m+) to pair with our extremely expensive oline. Problem solved.
Don't use the word "serviceable" when you mean "excellent."
Volson is absolutely serviceable. He's just not amazing.
@@DarkDefender1024 He's among the worst OLs in the league and exactly what you don't want in such a pass heavy scheme. He is not serviceable at all. He's a half measure the Bengals are using just to say they have someone playing the position.
@@MrApplesAndOranges12 Sure? why not. They have the cap. I'd rather have that than Higgins. Also, did you miss the part where there were OGs and OCs that would have started right away for this team in the 3rd, 4th and 5th rounds, and instead we took Jackson, All and Newton? Also, what's expensive about the Oline?
Depending on how Trent Brown plays this year, I like the idea of the Bengals giving him a multi year deal with the intention of backing up Orlando Brown and Amarius Mims. He can mentor those guys, it allows Trent to keep his body healthy knowing he doesn't have to play every week, provides job security over the next few years and should something happen to Orlando or Mims, you have a very solid depth piece ready for a moments notice.
Cincinnati skyline dont have a ring to it. When my idea of the nickname ends up on shirts ima need yall to send me one pls. The nickname for our offensive line should be......."the Burrowlin Wall". Who likes it? You know? Instead of Berlin wall
Lol
This is why I don’t use filters when I’m on teams calls
Just in case anyone was wondering but Hakeem Adeniji his RAS at tackle is 7.83 which would be second on the team. And he has an elite explosion grade too. At guard his RAS would be even higher. And he plays for the Browns now. I said it then and I’ll say it again they should not have cut Adeniji. He is a good player. He is better than Dante Smith. He is better than Cody Ford. He is better than Jackson Carman and he is better than Trey Hill. Far better. And yes Matt Lee is our new backup center. I would be flabbergasted if Trey Hill makes the team over him. Say we didn’t down a guard during the season and Matt Lee is on the team. Do you know what I would do there? I would move Karras to LG and give Lee the Center spot. And Jason Kelce only played center his entire career. Kelce is 6’3’’ 295. Do you know how big Matt Lee is? 6’4’’ 295. Almost exactly the same size. When Lee texted he was 301. This is fine for a center or even a guard but Lee is going to be the starting center in 2025. Because of all he has to do is beat out Trey Hill who is unathletic for a center or a guard with a score of 2.01 if all Lee had to do is beat him out then Lee is on the team.
Adeiji has all the tools the problem is he isnt good at football
The last 8 or 9 games last year Volson was playing like a Pro Bowl guard. He allowed 0 sacks 0 hits and only like 7 pressures in 8 games!! I agreed with almost everything Brandon Thorn said EXEPT Alex Cappa being the best player on that line. That’s nonsense. You want to talk about athletic profile Volson and Karras have a higher RAS than Cappa does. Last year Ted Karras graded out as the best lineman on the team. PFF had Teddy K at 76 last year. Cappa was at 68. Volson was at 58. Jonah was at 63 and Orlando Brown was at 68. So last year Karras was our best offensive lineman. Cappa RAS is 4.09. Volson had an RAS of 6.04. This is for both of them at guard. They both played tackle in college and their RAS for a tackle was worse. They are guards. So Cappa is 4.09. Volson is 6.04. Karras is 5.15. Trent Brown is 3.69 for tackle and Orlando Brown Jr is 0.72 for tackle. I don’t even look at these number for those 2 guys because everyone knows Orlando Brown nr is t a good athlete but with his size it just does not matter. Both of them would have scored higher for Guard. Cappas ras at tackle was 2 something. Mims ras is 9.70. I found one RAS where Mims ran the 20 yard shuttle. In most it didn’t have those figures in there. He scored in the 98th percentile on the shuttle and that brought his score up from 9.50 to 9.70. Cody Ford is a 6.38 at guard. Dante Smith is 6.17 at tackle and that would go up if he was playing guard. Jonah Williams is 5.48 at tackle and his agility score were poor. If you are drafting a tackle he must have at least Okay agility scores. Jonah at guard would have been a lot better. He shouldn’t be playing tackle. Jackson Carman did not test at all. That would have taken him off my board right there. So Mims is by far and away the most athletic in the team. Dante Smith has pretty good athleticism for a tackle or guard. I would be trying to retain him. Matt Lee is the most athletic center or guard on the team now with a score of 8.62 with elite explosion numbers. Oh and Trey Hills RAS is 2.02 with very poor agility grades. What the hell were the Bengals thinking when they drafted Jackson Carman and Trey Hill?? We have to assume that Jackson Carman would have a very bad score. I mean the only way I would skip a test is because I know I would do badly at it.
Trey Hill had versatility and was a late round pick from a good team. When I looked into his tape after the draft I was shocked he was picked up. Willie Anderson was talking about Carmen like he was going to be the next Willie Anderson. The medicals alone surprised me-they really jacked up there draft with the New England trade that year.
@@mikesp376 they could've still had a better pick after the trade back. If they took Humphrey
@@ShinefortheCam dude they could have had Christian Barmore which is the player New England took. He is the current highest paid player on that team. My personal philosophy is you take the best player on the board period. Payton Wilson was there for the taking and we choose a true 6th rounder this year when Wilson was a late first-second round talent and staring us in the face. Now he plays against us twice a year and his RAS and tape were way better then what we took due to need. We would not of had a need to reach to begin with if Barmore was on the team. We wound up with a bench sitter who had to
Start in the playoffs and a dude that was cut as a result of the trade. Reaching for needs can hunt you for multiple drafts or drain your cap to fill it in when your reach does not pan out which happens the majority of the time. Maybe we have a Pro Bowler on our hands and the office has inside info on Wilson, but there were a couple sketchy decisions and dice roles this year that made me cringe.
Bengals suck they never learn the o line is still trash
Ok Felicia
Is this pat Mahomes?
Ravens troll!
Didn't watch the video huh?
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