I want to apologize to everyone here. I advertised that the Buffalo Bore ammo (255gr +P hardcasts) hit harder than the Underwood ammo tested here. But, I made the mistake of using the advertised bullet weight of 255 grains to calculate 520 ft/lbs of force for the Buffalo Bore while using the average weight of 245.36 grains for the Underwood. The more accurate number for Buffalo Bore, using the average recovered bullet weight of 231.25 grains, is 472 ft/lbs per shot. That places it closer to the Underwood's 457 ft/lbs for sure. Buffalo Bore is still a little harder hitting, but not by as much as first thought. I want to give a big thank you to Rodney Spence for letting me know! Thanks guys, and I apologize once again! (P.S: using the advertised bullet weight of 255 grains for the Underwood you get 475 ft/lbs to compare to Buffalo Bore's 520 ft/lbs)
Outstanding job young man! I carry the Underwood 255 in woods. I mentioned these in one of your other test videos. These had excellent accuracy for me. Probably the best I've put through my G30 gen 4. This test with a four inch barrel might yield different results and that little extra from Buffalo Bore may be a better choice for power. However given the ammo scarcity and such I'm glad I have boxes of these 255 Underwood from a couple years ago. Reliable function, accuracy and penetration are my main concerns for ammo of all hunting and self defense. With the Underwood they hit where I aim, travel straight after penetration and are better than a hollow point or factory full metal jacket simply for speed, weight, flat nose and accuracy in the timber. Again great job. Keep'em coming!
When I photograph in the wilderness, I cannot carry a rifle or shot gun for protection from black bears, feral hogs, or wild dogs because I am carrying photographic gear. Instead, I carry a handgun. Thus far, my personal favorite is a 6-inch 357 magnum Smith & Wesson revolver loaded with 180 grain 357 magnum flat-nose hard-cast lead ammo. However, thanks to excellent tests like yours, I now also consider carrying my 6-inch 45 acp Heckler & Koch semi-automatic loaded with one of the following 45 acp hard-cast lead bullets: 1. 255 grain Underwood 2. 255 grain Double Tap 3. 255 grain Buffalo Bore
Saw your post about carrying photograph gear have you ever considered getting a goat they are pack animals and can climb like crazy on rocks and they will actually follow you cuz they are heard animals they make packs for them too or you can get a mule find videos on pack goats I'm serious thank you why carry all that heavy gear animal can do it for you just treat them good and feed them
@@Max-ye9xg I have considered getting a goat to help keep my lawn mowed but am not sure if the city leaders look favorably on farm animals within the city limits.
I prefer the Underwood ammunition over Buffalo Bore and Doubletap for the following reasons: 1. Underwood is lot more cost effective than either 2. Underwood uses nickel plated brass casings for less corrosion and better feeding 3. Underwood seems more consistent on their stated velocities
Those are good reasons, but I do want to point out that the Buffalo Bore rounds were all Nickel plated (that I recieved) and the Buffalo Bore was faster than their advertised velocity and these rounds were just under what was advertised. But thats just my findings, they may differ from batch to batch 👍 Thanks for watching!
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures Ok good to know, all the Buffalo Bore I ever bought was brass cased, must be something new using the nickel plated cases, even their website shows the brass cases
Underwood runs very consistent semi-auto cartridge velocities, and they are usually pretty hot stuff. However, they usually quote near carbine-like velocities on the box. To contrast, Buffalo Bore does very good rimmed revolver cartridges, better in velocity, accuracy, and performance than Underwood does. Both brands are pretty superb, they each have their strengths.
Buffalo Bore is always faster than advertised, but his prices are just absolutely ludacris for the hardly nothing gain in speed you get over Underwood.
the bullet's hard cast alloy and casting process was proved out with the ceramic tiles test. some hard cast and many 230 grain FMJ round nose would turn to lead bits and dust in such a test as was shown in a 30-06John video using magazines, tile.plywood and water jug. From the fired, essentially undeformed bullets it looks like the as cast weight of the bullet before firing was lower than 255 grains. Very well loaded ammo. Good video. Thank You.
Back in the late '80s/early '90s, one of the loads recommended by one of the major gun rags was a 200gr hardcast bullet loaded with 7.5grs of Hercules Unique. It was a fairly hot load with that old powder. This is what I used for woods carry back then. Shot great in all my 1911s at the time.
Your evaluation process is GREAT for the average person (even many seasoned reviewers). You do well on the after action report/review, (AAR). I also appreciate your willingness to say that you made a mistake. The bullets you recommend appear to be excellent for the intended application. GOOD job!
Yeah, that's gonna hurt. A 230gr roundball will go right through a 72 Ford Turino front fender, inner fender, firewall, knock out the ashtray, through bottom of front seat, back of front seat, lodge in the rear door. Straight on, it will go through the door and leave a hole size of thumb. We tried it out of a 5" and that was old Winchester White Box. That one would seriously hurt/ stop a bear but it all depends on shot placement. Target groupings at 25yds would be nice. Tkx for the video.
I laugh at people saying that 45 won’t go through car doors or glass….not in my experience, and that’s with ball ammo. The Lehigh rounds are even better.
One more thing. I do carry my .44 mag Redhawk for hunting, with a careful SA first shot, that usually works very well. I have tried rapid firing DA with loads from 650 to 1100 FPE. Hmmm... I will carry my 45 ACP for defense, woods or... Jerry
Pretty impressive performance. I just got an LBT mold for a 250 grain WFN .45 ACP/Auto Rim revolvers. I doubt it will penetrate as far, but the .360 meplat should have some serious slap.
Personally, I carry a 45 Colt fully loaded. The bullets are 250 grain solid copper, going at 1000 fps, with a TKO factor of 16 or a KPS value of 35.7, and it will take on animals upward of 1500 pounds or less. So I do not have to worry about flipping a safety off, nor do I have to worry about shooting my self in the leg when trying to fast draw it in a pinch. And I do not have to worry if I reset the safety either before re-holstering. The only worry with a double action revolver is re-holstering with the hammer cocked back, and if it does not have a spur then that worry is done away with for good. Also with revolver pistols people do not have to practice "TAP, RACK, and SLAP" like they have to with semi-auto pistols. This procedure takes time that when a bear is charging one may very well not have. And it takes both hands, of which a bear could be chewing on one by this time in the game. Revolvers are an ambidextrous one handed thing that never fail to feed or eject, and if a round does not go off just keep pulling the trigger. So the only real concern should be which double action revolver one would take to a bear fight? And keep in mind that black bears can be upwards of 600 pounds or so, and grizzlies 1000 or better. What ever one should choose (a semi-auto or revolver pistol), run the figures of the rounds through the two equations below to see just how big of game one could take down with them. Keep in mind that these two systems are considering a humane kill with a side shot through the lungs and heart of the animal and not a straight on charging scenario, so really the numbers need to be higher than rated below as far as what size animal the rounds will take down quickly. And always choose HARD CAST LEAD or SOLID COPPER/BRASS bullets only, as they penetrate the skulls easier as opposed to deflecting off them. 1) "Taylor Knock-Out Factor" ( n4lcd.com/calc/) [bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second X diameter of the bullet in inches divided by 7,000 = ____ ] 2) "Killing Power Scale": [bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second divided by 7,000 = ____ ] [Any killing power index system must have some baseline values that define minimums for the weight and/or type of game animals that might be hunted. After considerable deliberation and discussion, Chuck Hawks and Pacos Kelly settled on the following KPS baselines. Understand that these are ultimately judgment calls, so someone who has a different perspective might question particular baseline values. That said, They believe the baselines presented here to be reasonable, though not immutable.] Baseline KPS values: KPS 12.5 or greater: Class 2 game, 50 pounds to about 150 pounds (e.g., average size North American deer, pronghorn, feral hog) KPS 15 or greater: All Class 2 game, but especially those between about 150 and 300 pounds (e.g., very large whitetail deer and feral hogs, mule deer, caribou, black bear) KPS 30 or greater: Smaller Class 3 game, 300 to about 500 pounds (e.g., smaller elk, red stag, oryx, very large black bear) KPS 32 or greater: Class 3 game between about 500 and 1000 pounds (e.g., trophy elk, average moose, extremely large black bear) KPS 35 or greater: All Class 3 game, but especially those between about 1000 and 1500 pounds (e.g., very large moose, eland) [45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator @ 1000 = 35.7] KPS 68.5 or greater: Thin-skinned Class 4 game (e.g., leopard, lion, GRIZZLY BEAR) [45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator +P @ 1400 = 61.5 (close). As far as pistols this is a 45 Colt Ruger only load] KPS 88 or greater: Thick skinned dangerous game (e.g., Cape buffalo, rhino, elephant)
I am not a hunter, so I watch videos to understand what I would need for defense, but I am always happy to hear what actual hunters have to say. It's odd how rare it is to from actual hunters.
I find calculating momentum in lb-ft/sec valuable because it indicates a lot more of what sort of terminal performance one sees between non similar projectiles (like a hot 9mm vs. a heavy 45). While the 9mm could have ft-lb energy a couple hundred higher than the 45, the momentum is going to be lower. Calculated the 255gr load in your video, with your average chrono velocity. Results: 33.37 lb-ft/sec momentum. As a note of comparison, if a 124gr 9mm were equal in momentum, it would have to be doing exactly 1,884.5 fps. Yet, due to sectional density (diameter/length), terminal performance between these two would vary even with equal momentum.
Been using Underwood ammo for a while now, not really a need for protection from bears in Indianapolis though, I carry a Gen 4 G-21 loaded with either 174 gr maximum expansion or 120 gr Xtreme defender. Great video!
I was just kind of wondering if you had ever read John Taylor’s books. And do you know what he meant by KO or knock out power. He was a poacher, and when he was hunting elephants, if he used a large heavy enough bullet. If the bullet did not penetrate the brain and kill the elephant, it would have enough power to actually knock the elephant out where it would fall down unconscious, and he could go up and finished it off and with another bullet into the brain. In other words, he had to shoot as many elephants as possible, and if he did not have the best angle to quickly kill the elephant with the first shot. He had to bring as many elephants down and the shortest amount of time. He knew if he did not kill the elephant right off the heavy bullett still had enough power, at least to knock the elephant out (knock the elephant unconscious) where he could then go up and kill them quickly afterwards with a brain shot. If you don’t believe me, read the books because I did.
UA-cam recommend the video and glad I found it. New sub and glad to be on board. Have a 1911 and like Underwood so this sounds like winning combo for back country travels in AZ. I also have a 16.5” carbine rated for 45 Super so I might give these and the 45 Super version a try and see if they will feed. Thanks again.
That's great to hear, thank you! I appreciate the support, it means a lot to me. If you like how those .45 Super rounds do, please let me know I'm thinking of getting some to test out soon 👍
Ive shot 220 underwood 10mm and its hard hitting and makes plates swing like a toy. But I just love 180 gr shooting. G29 and selle & bellier bellot ammo was extremely accurate
In your opinion how much difference between 40 45acp and 10mm all with heavy hardcast? If you had a grizzly charging which do you think would stop it quickest?
Honestly, the .40 is my last pick. I LOVE that caliber, but against a Griz it isn't enough. The 10mm with 220 Grain hardcasts is great but I'd go with the .45 like I tested here. But the power and performance is very close. Either one would make a good choice for a sidearm imo.
@@ryanranard5187 In my tests, I find the 45 to out perform the 40 but that's not to say the 40 isn't good, it's one of my favorite calibers and I carry it often.
I watched the Woodsman video yesterday and finished this one today. I'm surprised the Woodsman stayed on a straight path where this one sometimes went to the left.
Hi - while at the NRA museum in Virginia I picked up a copy of the textbook, "Understanding Firearm Ballistics", by Robert Rinker. It has a lot of good info, but in particular, there's a chapter on terminal ballistics where they talk about Hatcher's relative stopping power formula published in 1935 which is basically bullet momentum x bullet cross-sectional area x bullet shaping factor. Sounds very similar to the Taylor formula you mention. Of course, with computers, much more sophisticated analysis and experiments have been performed looking at temporary wound channels, permanent wound channels, pressure wave effects on the nervous system,etc,etc. You could probably spend the rest of your life reading all the studies done by the military and justice department! Thanks!
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures I think I saw it on Amazon - 6th edition is the latest - it covers a lot of areas but is somewhat dated ... last copyright is 2005.
Plenty of penetration. Not wayyyy overboard recoil, so fast recovery, 8 shots, fast reload... Should keep you from gitt'n et! BUT! Ya still gotta HIT 'em right at any angle, not around the edges or miss altogether. Lots easier with a .45 ACP. I was quite good with the double taps in IPSC. I think the grip of an auto has advantages over a revolver, too . Jerry
Another comment regarding the 10mm. Mr 1911 himself, Bill Wilson, doesn't think ANY auto platform is adequate for that round and tells WHY. Pay attention! Starts at 21minutes. Wilson Combat, Gun Guys episode 55. If I try to paste the link, this wont post. Jerry
Why bother with the standard 45acp, hop up to 45 super which any 1911 45acp worth its carbon, can indeed shoot and handle just fine. Btw they're pushing close to 700ft lb muzzle. 10 millimeter🍨 10 shillimeter 🥱. Can that 10 mill shillin crap would ya guy's, yes they're great. The reality is that a 45acp has a wide birth of ammo loading power potential. In a quality firearm (like a standard 5" or so 1911 platform or thereabouts) properly equipped with 45 super ammo. That's finally... approaching the calibers upper end of potential energy distribution.
@@Roboticdoughbull3k In 1911's, it would be wise to use a Wilson Shock Buffer to protect the slide and frame from peaning. An 18 lb spring would also seem a good choice. But dont go higher as the closing force could also become excessive. The 1911 frame was designed around the standard 350 - 400 ft lb energy of the standard 45 ACP. 10 mm's and 45 Supers will give excessive slide velocity, thus needing the shock buffer to protect the gun. Young Jep is doing a good job. Jerry
I worked up a good load for Alaska Trail Fed 45 ACP Nickle Small primer pocket Rem 7.5 Primer 250 Gr FNRN 22 BHN (Straight Shooter Cast) Tek coated 1.910” 1040 fPS in G21 KKM and 22 pound spring 8.4 of power pistol Underwood / Buffalo bore 18 BHN RimRock is what they use ! Grizzly Ammo is gaining on Underwood and Buffalo Bore in Alaska as the velocity are better and the bullet in 21 BHN .
Hey Jep, I enjoy your content. I was hoping you could test the .460 Rowland 255 gr Hard Cast in the Underwood and Buffalo Bore offerings. I realize there is the expense of converting a .45 acp pistol. I know that's a lot to ask. Perhaps one of your neighbors would be kind enough to lend you their pistol. Keep up the great videos
Man you sure are growing up fast and then watching your videos for a couple of years I think now I go through quite a few phones so I’m always under new names keep up the good work you’re gonna be a big boy
Hi Jep - thanks for this informative video. I wish I lived out in the country to do testing like this! In comparing the BB vs Underwood I did get slightly different results than you for the BB. Using avg bullet weight of 231.25 grains and avg velocity of 958.66 fps I get 472 ft-lbs vs your 520. And I get taylor factor of 14.3 assuming bullet diameter of 0.452 inches. I guess one question is what bullet diameter do you use in the formula? - the un-expanded or expanded bullet diameter? I also like to compare bullet "punching" power by calculating the maximum deflection angle from vertical you would see if the bullet was fired into a large block of wood hanging from 2 cords to form a ballistic pendulum. Assuming the block is large enough so that the bullet remains embedded in the block after impact, the calculation is not too difficult since momentum is conserved in the collision and the kinetic energy of the block plus bullet just after impact will be converted to potential energy as the block swings upward. For example, for a 10 lb block hanging from two 2 ft long cords, the underwood bullet would cause a 23 degree swing while the BB would cause a 22.7 deg swing - virtually the same. It would be interesting to verify this with outdoor experiment by just taking a log and hanging it from 2 cords. Knowing the speed and weight of the bullet and weight of the log and length of the cords you can calculate the approximate angle of deflection. Of course this is just one way of looking at bullet "power". To stop an attacker you would like to have all the kinetic energy of the bullet causing internal damage. Thanks!
I used the un-expanded bullet diameter. I think what I did was I used the assumed weight of 255 gr out of the box rather than what I intended to use which was the average weight. I never even realized it, my bad. Thank you for letting me know! I'll make a pinned comment noting the error. And I'll keep the block idea in mind for my next video, sounds interesting! Thank you again, ~Jep
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures ok - yeah I can provide the equations I used to calculate the deflection angle if u want. Or you can just Google "ballistic pendulum" to find the equations. Traditionally, they setup the equations to find the initial bullet velocity after observing the deflection angle. But you can rearrange the equations to do the reverse - ie find the deflection angle after observing the bullet velocity (eg by setting up a chronometer in front of the pendulum). I was kind of surprised by the answers I was getting - I would think blasting a 10 lb block of wood with a 45 would give a deflection angle much greater than 23 degrees. But that's what the equations are telling me (unless I made a mistake!). That's why I thought it would be interesting to do a real test. You could get like a 4x4 and cut the length so you have like a 10 or 20 lb block. But it has to be long enough so that the bullet stays in the block (ie a pure inelastic collision) and it has to be hit as close as possible to center so the motion is in one direction. Actually, it doesn't even have to be wood, just place a gel block in some kind of harness so it can be hung level using two cords. I guess you would have to setup a camera looking sideways on the block and make a piece of cardboard with angle markers on it so when you play back the shots in slow motion you can read the maximum angle of deflection. Thanks!
I do not have those, but will look into them 👍 Btw; I have tested out Underwood and DoubleTap's 200gr 40 S&W hardcasts. I had also made a video testing Grizzly Cartridge Company's 200gr hardcasts, but unfortunately UA-cam started getting very aggressive towards my channel recently. So I had to make that test, as well as several other videos, private to hide them from UA-cam's angry eyes. But the DoubleTap and Underwood videos are still public. All three performed well. Not quite as well as the 10mm hardcasts from Buffalo Bore and Steinel, but pretty close I'd say 👍
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures I have read ballistic and water jug tests of Underwood 10mm hardcast 200gr vs. S&W 200gr hardcast. Thex.40 cal performed just as well or slightly better since the 10mm moving faster, expands quicker and lets the slower .40cal penetrate as deeply.
Its supposed to replicate "softer" bones. I always think of the shoulder blade. The Hard plastic cutting board is a great substitute for healthy dense bones, its my favorite bone simulation. The ceramic tiles do a great job beating the ammo to a pulp and I suppose it stands in as brittle bone 👍
I wish I could say for sure, but I'm afraid I can't. I do know I haven't really heard of anyone having issues in that department, and the M&P line has a good reputation. I've used the 9mm shield and it has been stellar. I would think it should be okay, at least for a short while. Checking out what the manufacturer has to say would be your best bet. Sorry, I can't help more on that. Hopefully you enjoy the gun and it works well for you!
I'd say it should be pretty equal (overall) judging from the performance of the 220gr 10mm hardcasts I've tested. I prefer the size of the .45 but the 10mm penetrates a little farther and hits a little harder. Honestly though, either should make a good sidearm to a solid rifle 👍
Great video and analysis. 45+p for bear defense may be viable. A quick question. Can you define what 45 +p+ muzzle velocity and impact force is? I noticed the HK USP is rated for +p+. I have no idea who manufactures this more potent round.
Its called .45 Super, they don't seem to use the distinction +P+. .45 Super brass is slightly beefier to handle like 8,000 more lbs of pressure. I've shot it through my HK45C and HK45, it was definitely better in the HK45. I have not shot it through my USP Elite yet.
I have yet to test them, so I can't really say much. All I know is that the 140gr Xtreme Penetrators for the 10mm were less than impressive, so I have my doubts. Black bear shouldn't be too big of a problem for them as compared with a Grizzly, so in theory they should work fairly well. I'll let you know if I get a chance to test those rounds, I'll be very interested in seeing how well they perform! By the way; here's the link to the 10mm video if you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/MIfF_Q9cUio/v-deo.html 👍
Nice presentation. Suggest using a large box at the rear for deep penetrators. They're not leaving with enough force from the 7th to do any real damage. I do appreciate your thorough explanation. I would recommend being a little more concise to shorten the video. If it went through each hard barrier without a radical change in direction, we can all presume it punched through. Taking the time to show entry and exit on a barrier with a non-expanding projectile isn't necessary. Nice work.
Very good job with your comparison bullet video here young man! I know that these kinds of videos can be a real challenge to capture at times. Bullets do weird things sometimes upon firing. I know this from experience > 🙂
Depending on the caliber, gun and type of bear, absolutely! Like I said at the end; as long as it's 800 lbs (give, or preferably take) this load can take it. I like it a lot. Thanks for watching!
I did a poll about what to test next on my community page here on the channel, and this guy had won. However, the Buffalo Bore 220gr hardcast for the 10mm was second place, so that will be the next one we test unless something comes up 👍 Thanks for watching!
230 grain as that's the lightest weight round I've tested, but G9 Defense's 165 copper round looks pretty promising. I plan on testing them out next year to find out.
I got rid of All my 10mm’s. I don’t trust the round in an automatic. I switched to a Glock 41 loaded with my own hand loaded Buffalo bore 255grn HC. You can buy the bullets from RimRock bullets in Ronan MT, down the street for me. Starline brass and you can duplicate Buffalo bore exactly for less than half the cost.
That is the least you should have... for black bears. And, always have a medium to large fixed blade knife on you in black bear territory, large bowie for larger species of bear, moose, etc.
It'll do. And as a knife guy, I agree wholeheartedly with carrying a bowie wherever possible. Although it's unlikely to do much to an angry moose or big bear, so I'm taking the .45 over a bowie against those two any day of the week Thanks for watching!
Hello Jep, Why not compare all 45ACP GUNS with hi point 45 acp ,hi point 45 acp can also accept +P ammo,it maybe cheap,but oh boy it’s not the price of the gun but how you can hit the target.Thanks
Me duele todos los días no ser gringo, y que en mexico si quieres tener algo para defensa de delincuente no te bajen, y que los verdaderos delincuentes andan con sus fusiles y sus pistolonas como si nada.
Jep, here's a true story of four guys shooting at a black bear with four pistols (one 10mm, one 44Mag, and two 45ACPs). Pay close attention as to how far the 45ACPs penetrated. ua-cam.com/video/ClexOj6S_OE/v-deo.html
Sorry but your mathematics are not good. Why would you think that the weight of the bullets AFTER HITTING THE TARGET gives you the correct footpounds? The energy is carried into and through the target! The mass of the bullet after it expends its energy has ZERO VELOCITY! Your correct footpounds are not as important as tissue and bone damage creating trauma. I digress. Still an EXCELLENT VIDEO.
Everyone can do the math based on the factory label, we're doing it based on the shooting results. We could do a comparison to what the label says, but we feel testing results are a better predictor of how the bullet will do and did.
As Tom Pullman said, these are results based off of our tests. The bullet will never hit at the same weight as they are packed. The rifiling takes some weight off, not just the testing mediums. Since these retained the majority of their weight, they still give you an accurate calculation in my opinion👍 Thanks for watching!
I know, one of these days I need to put out that musical I made with Chuck Norris and Sylvester Stallone. More entertaining, and certainly more informative
I want to apologize to everyone here. I advertised that the Buffalo Bore ammo (255gr +P hardcasts) hit harder than the Underwood ammo tested here. But, I made the mistake of using the advertised bullet weight of 255 grains to calculate 520 ft/lbs of force for the Buffalo Bore while using the average weight of 245.36 grains for the Underwood. The more accurate number for Buffalo Bore, using the average recovered bullet weight of 231.25 grains, is 472 ft/lbs per shot. That places it closer to the Underwood's 457 ft/lbs for sure. Buffalo Bore is still a little harder hitting, but not by as much as first thought.
I want to give a big thank you to Rodney Spence for letting me know!
Thanks guys, and I apologize once again!
(P.S: using the advertised bullet weight of 255 grains for the Underwood you get 475 ft/lbs to compare to Buffalo Bore's 520 ft/lbs)
Outstanding job young man!
I carry the Underwood 255 in woods. I mentioned these in one of your other test videos. These had excellent accuracy for me. Probably the best I've put through my G30 gen 4. This test with a four inch barrel might yield different results and that little extra from Buffalo Bore may be a better choice for power. However given the ammo scarcity and such I'm glad I have boxes of these 255 Underwood from a couple years ago. Reliable function, accuracy and penetration are my main concerns for ammo of all hunting and self defense. With the Underwood they hit where I aim, travel straight after penetration and are better than a hollow point or factory full metal jacket simply for speed, weight, flat nose and accuracy in the timber.
Again great job.
Keep'em coming!
When I photograph in the wilderness, I cannot carry a rifle or shot gun for protection from black bears, feral hogs, or wild dogs because I am carrying photographic gear. Instead, I carry a handgun. Thus far, my personal favorite is a 6-inch 357 magnum Smith & Wesson revolver loaded with 180 grain 357 magnum flat-nose hard-cast lead ammo.
However, thanks to excellent tests like yours, I now also consider carrying my 6-inch 45 acp Heckler & Koch semi-automatic loaded with one of the following 45 acp hard-cast lead bullets:
1. 255 grain Underwood
2. 255 grain Double Tap
3. 255 grain Buffalo Bore
Saw your post about carrying photograph gear have you ever considered getting a goat they are pack animals and can climb like crazy on rocks and they will actually follow you cuz they are heard animals they make packs for them too or you can get a mule find videos on pack goats I'm serious thank you why carry all that heavy gear animal can do it for you just treat them good and feed them
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I have considered getting a goat to help keep my lawn mowed but am not sure if the city leaders look favorably on farm animals within the city limits.
I prefer the Underwood ammunition over Buffalo Bore and Doubletap for the following reasons: 1. Underwood is lot more cost effective than either 2. Underwood uses nickel plated brass casings for less corrosion and better feeding 3. Underwood seems more consistent on their stated velocities
Those are good reasons, but I do want to point out that the Buffalo Bore rounds were all Nickel plated (that I recieved) and the Buffalo Bore was faster than their advertised velocity and these rounds were just under what was advertised. But thats just my findings, they may differ from batch to batch 👍
Thanks for watching!
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures Ok good to know, all the Buffalo Bore I ever bought was brass cased, must be something new using the nickel plated cases, even their website shows the brass cases
Underwood runs very consistent semi-auto cartridge velocities, and they are usually pretty hot stuff. However, they usually quote near carbine-like velocities on the box.
To contrast, Buffalo Bore does very good rimmed revolver cartridges, better in velocity, accuracy, and performance than Underwood does.
Both brands are pretty superb, they each have their strengths.
Agreed.
Buffalo Bore is always faster than advertised, but his prices are just absolutely ludacris for the hardly nothing gain in speed you get over Underwood.
the bullet's hard cast alloy and casting process was proved out with the ceramic tiles test. some hard cast and many 230 grain FMJ round nose would turn to lead bits and dust in such a test as was shown in a 30-06John video using magazines, tile.plywood and water jug. From the fired, essentially undeformed bullets it looks like the as cast weight of the bullet before firing was lower than 255 grains. Very well loaded ammo. Good video. Thank You.
Back in the late '80s/early '90s, one of the loads recommended by one of the major gun rags was a 200gr hardcast bullet loaded with 7.5grs of Hercules Unique. It was a fairly hot load with that old powder. This is what I used for woods carry back then. Shot great in all my 1911s at the time.
Your evaluation process is GREAT for the average person (even many seasoned reviewers). You do well on the after action report/review, (AAR). I also appreciate your willingness to say that you made a mistake. The bullets you recommend appear to be excellent for the intended application. GOOD job!
thank you so much, I appreciate it!
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures you're quite welcome!
You could trim that cutting board wit a band or circular saw to make it more manageable. I like these comparison videos.
Yeah, that's gonna hurt. A 230gr roundball will go right through a 72 Ford Turino front fender, inner fender, firewall, knock out the ashtray, through bottom of front seat, back of front seat, lodge in the rear door. Straight on, it will go through the door and leave a hole size of thumb. We tried it out of a 5" and that was old Winchester White Box. That one would seriously hurt/ stop a bear but it all depends on shot placement. Target groupings at 25yds would be nice. Tkx for the video.
I laugh at people saying that 45 won’t go through car doors or glass….not in my experience, and that’s with ball ammo. The Lehigh rounds are even better.
One more thing. I do carry my .44 mag Redhawk for hunting, with a careful SA first shot, that usually works very well. I have tried rapid firing DA with loads from 650 to 1100 FPE. Hmmm... I will carry my 45 ACP for defense, woods or... Jerry
I had just bought this ammo as it is significantly cheaper than Buffalo Bore and I can no longer find Double Tap in .45. Thanks for posting.
Pretty impressive performance. I just got an LBT mold for a 250 grain WFN .45 ACP/Auto Rim revolvers. I doubt it will penetrate as far, but the .360 meplat should have some serious slap.
Either would be fine in my opinion.. I do like the coating though to help with barrel fouling .. great 👍 test ..
Excellent video, well organized and easy to follow. I appreciate the details (numbers) that you display on screen. Nice dog!
I'm glad to hear that, thank you!
Personally, I carry a 45 Colt fully loaded. The bullets are 250 grain solid copper, going at 1000 fps, with a TKO factor of 16 or a KPS value of 35.7, and it will take on animals upward of 1500 pounds or less. So I do not have to worry about flipping a safety off, nor do I have to worry about shooting my self in the leg when trying to fast draw it in a pinch. And I do not have to worry if I reset the safety either before re-holstering. The only worry with a double action revolver is re-holstering with the hammer cocked back, and if it does not have a spur then that worry is done away with for good.
Also with revolver pistols people do not have to practice "TAP, RACK, and SLAP" like they have to with semi-auto pistols. This procedure takes time that when a bear is charging one may very well not have. And it takes both hands, of which a bear could be chewing on one by this time in the game. Revolvers are an ambidextrous one handed thing that never fail to feed or eject, and if a round does not go off just keep pulling the trigger.
So the only real concern should be which double action revolver one would take to a bear fight? And keep in mind that black bears can be upwards of 600 pounds or so, and grizzlies 1000 or better.
What ever one should choose (a semi-auto or revolver pistol), run the figures of the rounds through the two equations below to see just how big of game one could take down with them. Keep in mind that these two systems are considering a humane kill with a side shot through the lungs and heart of the animal and not a straight on charging scenario, so really the numbers need to be higher than rated below as far as what size animal the rounds will take down quickly. And always choose HARD CAST LEAD or SOLID COPPER/BRASS bullets only, as they penetrate the skulls easier as opposed to deflecting off them.
1) "Taylor Knock-Out Factor" ( n4lcd.com/calc/)
[bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second X diameter of the bullet in inches divided by 7,000 = ____ ]
2) "Killing Power Scale":
[bullet weight in grains X speed in feet per second divided by 7,000 = ____ ]
[Any killing power index system must have some baseline values that define minimums for the weight and/or type of game animals that might be hunted. After considerable deliberation and discussion, Chuck Hawks and Pacos Kelly settled on the following KPS baselines. Understand that these are ultimately judgment calls, so someone who has a different perspective might question particular baseline values. That said, They believe the baselines presented here to be reasonable, though not immutable.]
Baseline KPS values:
KPS 12.5 or greater: Class 2 game, 50 pounds to about 150 pounds (e.g., average size North American deer, pronghorn, feral hog)
KPS 15 or greater: All Class 2 game, but especially those between about 150 and 300 pounds (e.g., very large whitetail deer and feral hogs, mule deer, caribou, black bear)
KPS 30 or greater: Smaller Class 3 game, 300 to about 500 pounds (e.g., smaller elk, red stag, oryx, very large black bear)
KPS 32 or greater: Class 3 game between about 500 and 1000 pounds (e.g., trophy elk, average moose, extremely large black bear)
KPS 35 or greater: All Class 3 game, but especially those between about 1000 and 1500 pounds (e.g., very large moose, eland)
[45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator @ 1000 = 35.7]
KPS 68.5 or greater: Thin-skinned Class 4 game (e.g., leopard, lion, GRIZZLY BEAR)
[45 Colt 250 grain Extreme Penetrator +P @ 1400 = 61.5 (close). As far as pistols this is a 45 Colt Ruger only load]
KPS 88 or greater: Thick skinned dangerous game (e.g., Cape buffalo, rhino, elephant)
I am not a hunter, so I watch videos to understand what I would need for defense, but I am always happy to hear what actual hunters have to say. It's odd how rare it is to from actual hunters.
I find calculating momentum in lb-ft/sec valuable because it indicates a lot more of what sort of terminal performance one sees between non similar projectiles (like a hot 9mm vs. a heavy 45). While the 9mm could have ft-lb energy a couple hundred higher than the 45, the momentum is going to be lower.
Calculated the 255gr load in your video, with your average chrono velocity. Results: 33.37 lb-ft/sec momentum. As a note of comparison, if a 124gr 9mm were equal in momentum, it would have to be doing exactly 1,884.5 fps. Yet, due to sectional density (diameter/length), terminal performance between these two would vary even with equal momentum.
Been using Underwood ammo for a while now, not really a need for protection from bears in Indianapolis though, I carry a Gen 4 G-21 loaded with either 174 gr maximum expansion or 120 gr Xtreme defender. Great video!
Thanks!
Outstanding video with great information also!! Nice to see your dog again
Yeah, she's great. Thank you very much, I appreciate it!
Nice! The Underwood rounds would make the .45 ACP a viable Montana gun.😎
So xd 45 would be a great all around good pistol to get thx for the test.
Holy fuck! This is some powerful round I must say. No need to get the other gun with 10 mm against those large bastards. This should be quite enough
I was just kind of wondering if you had ever read John Taylor’s books. And do you know what he meant by KO or knock out power. He was a poacher, and when he was hunting elephants, if he used a large heavy enough bullet. If the bullet did not penetrate the brain and kill the elephant, it would have enough power to actually knock the elephant out where it would fall down unconscious, and he could go up and finished it off and with another bullet into the brain. In other words, he had to shoot as many elephants as possible, and if he did not have the best angle to quickly kill the elephant with the first shot. He had to bring as many elephants down and the shortest amount of time. He knew if he did not kill the elephant right off the heavy bullett still had enough power, at least to knock the elephant out (knock the elephant unconscious) where he could then go up and kill them quickly afterwards with a brain shot. If you don’t believe me, read the books because I did.
UA-cam recommend the video and glad I found it. New sub and glad to be on board. Have a 1911 and like Underwood so this sounds like winning combo for back country travels in AZ. I also have a 16.5” carbine rated for 45 Super so I might give these and the 45 Super version a try and see if they will feed. Thanks again.
That's great to hear, thank you! I appreciate the support, it means a lot to me. If you like how those .45 Super rounds do, please let me know I'm thinking of getting some to test out soon 👍
Great video. The ceramic tile really surprised me
Ive shot 220 underwood 10mm and its hard hitting and makes plates swing like a toy. But I just love 180 gr shooting. G29 and selle & bellier bellot ammo was extremely accurate
In your opinion how much difference between 40 45acp and 10mm all with heavy hardcast? If you had a grizzly charging which do you think would stop it quickest?
Honestly, the .40 is my last pick. I LOVE that caliber, but against a Griz it isn't enough.
The 10mm with 220 Grain hardcasts is great but I'd go with the .45 like I tested here. But the power and performance is very close. Either one would make a good choice for a sidearm imo.
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures Appreciate it keep up the good work!
@@rockie307 no problem, will do!
10mm would be best, followed by .40 and lastly 45 acp. Idk why people think 45 is all that honestly. 40 is more powerful on average than .45
@@ryanranard5187 In my tests, I find the 45 to out perform the 40 but that's not to say the 40 isn't good, it's one of my favorite calibers and I carry it often.
I watched the Woodsman video yesterday and finished this one today. I'm surprised the Woodsman stayed on a straight path where this one sometimes went to the left.
Hi - while at the NRA museum in Virginia I picked up a copy of the textbook, "Understanding Firearm Ballistics", by Robert Rinker. It has a lot of good info, but in particular, there's a chapter on terminal ballistics where they talk about Hatcher's relative stopping power formula published in 1935 which is basically bullet momentum x bullet cross-sectional area x bullet shaping factor. Sounds very similar to the Taylor formula you mention. Of course, with computers, much more sophisticated analysis and experiments have been performed looking at temporary wound channels, permanent wound channels, pressure wave effects on the nervous system,etc,etc. You could probably spend the rest of your life reading all the studies done by the military and justice department! Thanks!
That's pretty interesting, I'm going to see if I can get my hands on that book here. Good resources are wonderful, thank you for telling me about it!
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures I think I saw it on Amazon - 6th edition is the latest - it covers a lot of areas but is somewhat dated ... last copyright is 2005.
Plenty of penetration. Not wayyyy overboard recoil, so fast recovery, 8 shots, fast reload... Should keep you from gitt'n et! BUT! Ya still gotta HIT 'em right at any angle, not around the edges or miss altogether. Lots easier with a .45 ACP. I was quite good with the double taps in IPSC. I think the grip of an auto has advantages over a revolver, too . Jerry
Another comment regarding the 10mm. Mr 1911 himself, Bill Wilson, doesn't think ANY auto platform is adequate for that round and tells WHY. Pay attention! Starts at 21minutes. Wilson Combat, Gun Guys episode 55. If I try to paste the link, this wont post. Jerry
I'll look into that, thank you 👍
Just watched Bill. I think if I were to carry a 10mm Auto it would be a S&W 586 in .357 magnum. ;-)
I never knew bill Wilson made a video on that subject, but I have always thought the same.
Why bother with the standard 45acp, hop up to 45 super which any 1911 45acp worth its carbon, can indeed shoot and handle just fine. Btw they're pushing close to 700ft lb muzzle. 10 millimeter🍨 10 shillimeter 🥱. Can that 10 mill shillin crap would ya guy's, yes they're great. The reality is that a 45acp has a wide birth of ammo loading power potential. In a quality firearm (like a standard 5" or so 1911 platform or thereabouts) properly equipped with 45 super ammo. That's finally... approaching the calibers upper end of potential energy distribution.
@@Roboticdoughbull3k In 1911's, it would be wise to use a Wilson Shock Buffer to protect the slide and frame from peaning. An 18 lb spring would also seem a good choice. But dont go higher as the closing force could also become excessive. The 1911 frame was designed around the standard 350 - 400 ft lb energy of the standard 45 ACP. 10 mm's and 45 Supers will give excessive slide velocity, thus needing the shock buffer to protect the gun. Young Jep is doing a good job. Jerry
That’s like a good round to stop a bigfoot lol.
Only in a doublestack. Just remember: they travel in herds
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures I hear that a lot.
What’s the COAL of the 45 ACP Underwood 255gr Hardcast load ?
Enjoyed your version in Alaska !
I'm afraid I don't have any at this time, sorry
I just discovered your channel. Great job and really solid info! Very impressive results for the old cartrige. Good to know.
Thank you very much, I appreciate it!
Love that ammo! Awesome to see more test on it.
I worked up a good load for Alaska Trail
Fed 45 ACP Nickle Small primer pocket
Rem 7.5 Primer
250 Gr FNRN 22 BHN (Straight Shooter Cast) Tek coated
1.910”
1040 fPS in G21 KKM and 22 pound spring
8.4 of power pistol
Underwood / Buffalo bore 18 BHN RimRock is what they use !
Grizzly Ammo is gaining on Underwood and Buffalo Bore in Alaska as the velocity are better and the bullet in 21 BHN .
Nicely done!!
Hey Jep, I enjoy your content. I was hoping you could test the .460 Rowland 255 gr Hard Cast in the Underwood and Buffalo Bore offerings. I realize there is the expense of converting a .45 acp pistol. I know that's a lot to ask. Perhaps one of your neighbors would be kind enough to lend you their pistol. Keep up the great videos
Someone get this man a chrono
14:57 you did see I have one, right? Or are you talking about something else?
Awesome video on two great loads, thanks.
I'm glad to hear that, thank you!
Man you sure are growing up fast and then watching your videos for a couple of years I think now I go through quite a few phones so I’m always under new names keep up the good work you’re gonna be a big boy
That is one of my favorite loads for 45 very nice 👍
Mine too! Thanks for watching
Hi Jep - thanks for this informative video. I wish I lived out in the country to do testing like this! In comparing the BB vs Underwood I did get slightly different results than you for the BB. Using avg bullet weight of 231.25 grains and avg velocity of 958.66 fps I get 472 ft-lbs vs your 520. And I get taylor factor of 14.3 assuming bullet diameter of 0.452 inches. I guess one question is what bullet diameter do you use in the formula? - the un-expanded or expanded bullet diameter? I also like to compare bullet "punching" power by calculating the maximum deflection angle from vertical you would see if the bullet was fired into a large block of wood hanging from 2 cords to form a ballistic pendulum. Assuming the block is large enough so that the bullet remains embedded in the block after impact, the calculation is not too difficult since momentum is conserved in the collision and the kinetic energy of the block plus bullet just after impact will be converted to potential energy as the block swings upward. For example, for a 10 lb block hanging from two 2 ft long cords, the underwood bullet would cause a 23 degree swing while the BB would cause a 22.7 deg swing - virtually the same. It would be interesting to verify this with outdoor experiment by just taking a log and hanging it from 2 cords. Knowing the speed and weight of the bullet and weight of the log and length of the cords you can calculate the approximate angle of deflection. Of course this is just one way of looking at bullet "power". To stop an attacker you would like to have all the kinetic energy of the bullet causing internal damage. Thanks!
I used the un-expanded bullet diameter. I think what I did was I used the assumed weight of 255 gr out of the box rather than what I intended to use which was the average weight. I never even realized it, my bad. Thank you for letting me know! I'll make a pinned comment noting the error.
And I'll keep the block idea in mind for my next video, sounds interesting!
Thank you again,
~Jep
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures ok - yeah I can provide the equations I used to calculate the deflection angle if u want. Or you can just Google "ballistic pendulum" to find the equations. Traditionally, they setup the equations to find the initial bullet velocity after observing the deflection angle. But you can rearrange the equations to do the reverse - ie find the deflection angle after observing the bullet velocity (eg by setting up a chronometer in front of the pendulum). I was kind of surprised by the answers I was getting - I would think blasting a 10 lb block of wood with a 45 would give a deflection angle much greater than 23 degrees. But that's what the equations are telling me (unless I made a mistake!). That's why I thought it would be interesting to do a real test. You could get like a 4x4 and cut the length so you have like a 10 or 20 lb block. But it has to be long enough so that the bullet stays in the block (ie a pure inelastic collision) and it has to be hit as close as possible to center so the motion is in one direction. Actually, it doesn't even have to be wood, just place a gel block in some kind of harness so it can be hung level using two cords. I guess you would have to setup a camera looking sideways on the block and make a piece of cardboard with angle markers on it so when you play back the shots in slow motion you can read the maximum angle of deflection. Thanks!
How about a test with S&W .40 cal 200 gr Buffalo Bore hardcast.
All the tests I have seen show the .40 S&W just as effective as 10mm
I do not have those, but will look into them 👍
Btw; I have tested out Underwood and DoubleTap's 200gr 40 S&W hardcasts.
I had also made a video testing Grizzly Cartridge Company's 200gr hardcasts, but unfortunately UA-cam started getting very aggressive towards my channel recently. So I had to make that test, as well as several other videos, private to hide them from UA-cam's angry eyes. But the DoubleTap and Underwood videos are still public.
All three performed well. Not quite as well as the 10mm hardcasts from Buffalo Bore and Steinel, but pretty close I'd say 👍
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures I have read ballistic and water jug tests of Underwood 10mm hardcast 200gr vs. S&W 200gr hardcast.
Thex.40 cal performed just as well or slightly better since the 10mm moving faster, expands quicker and lets the slower .40cal penetrate as deeply.
The penetration might be similar, but there's still more energy in the 10mm and it does make a difference.
@@Wildwestwrangler indeed. Just not day and night like many try to advertise 👍
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures true, but even a 1 percent difference is a step in the right direction
So how does the wood compare to a bears body ? What are you simulating?
Its supposed to replicate "softer" bones. I always think of the shoulder blade. The Hard plastic cutting board is a great substitute for healthy dense bones, its my favorite bone simulation. The ceramic tiles do a great job beating the ammo to a pulp and I suppose it stands in as brittle bone 👍
Considering picking up an MP 45. Do you think most 45 acp pistols, including the M&P, can shoot this heavy 255 gr ammo without any issues? Thanks
I wish I could say for sure, but I'm afraid I can't. I do know I haven't really heard of anyone having issues in that department, and the M&P line has a good reputation. I've used the 9mm shield and it has been stellar. I would think it should be okay, at least for a short while. Checking out what the manufacturer has to say would be your best bet.
Sorry, I can't help more on that. Hopefully you enjoy the gun and it works well for you!
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures no worries ,thank you for the thought out answer
Good job bro👍, I guess underwood will be for me wen I'm going outdoors with my 45colt
Awesome, glad I could help! Stay safe out there 👍
They have 45 colt ammo that hits like a freight train!!!
So out of everything tested Buffalo bore is the go to?
Its maybe cool if you put colors on your jug, you can easily identify if it hits the jug.Thanks
For large grizzly defense (elk hunting), how would you say this 255gr 45 acp hardcast compares to 200gr 10mm hardcast? Thanks
I'd say it should be pretty equal (overall) judging from the performance of the 220gr 10mm hardcasts I've tested. I prefer the size of the .45 but the 10mm penetrates a little farther and hits a little harder. Honestly though, either should make a good sidearm to a solid rifle 👍
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures good to know. Thank you for the great info
Great video and analysis. 45+p for bear defense may be viable. A quick question. Can you define what 45 +p+ muzzle velocity and impact force is? I noticed the HK USP is rated for +p+. I have no idea who manufactures this more potent round.
Its called .45 Super, they don't seem to use the distinction +P+. .45 Super brass is slightly beefier to handle like 8,000 more lbs of pressure. I've shot it through my HK45C and HK45, it was definitely better in the HK45. I have not shot it through my USP Elite yet.
How do you think the 135 gr +p xtreme defenders in 45 would work for black bears?
I have yet to test them, so I can't really say much. All I know is that the 140gr Xtreme Penetrators for the 10mm were less than impressive, so I have my doubts. Black bear shouldn't be too big of a problem for them as compared with a Grizzly, so in theory they should work fairly well.
I'll let you know if I get a chance to test those rounds, I'll be very interested in seeing how well they perform!
By the way; here's the link to the 10mm video if you're interested: ua-cam.com/video/MIfF_Q9cUio/v-deo.html 👍
Can I send you a box of Double Tap 450 SMC for testing?
That's very kind of you, thank you. If you don't mind me asking; are they hatdcasts, FMJ or hollowpoints?
HPs
@@diametricallyopposed360 could you email me so we can go over where to send it? My email is joaknives@gmail.com
Thanks!
Is this the 10MM but it's labeled 45. What the heck are you shooting?
The .45 Auto. May I ask why you bring up the 10mm?
Thank You, good Info !
I believe they use Rim Rock it’s like 18 BHN
Nice presentation.
Suggest using a large box at the rear for deep penetrators. They're not leaving with enough force from the 7th to do any real damage.
I do appreciate your thorough explanation. I would recommend being a little more concise to shorten the video. If it went through each hard barrier without a radical change in direction, we can all presume it punched through. Taking the time to show entry and exit on a barrier with a non-expanding projectile isn't necessary.
Nice work.
Very good job with your comparison bullet video here young man! I know that these kinds of videos can be a real challenge to capture at times. Bullets do weird things sometimes upon firing. I know this from experience > 🙂
Thank you! And yeah, a lot of people have no clue how much energy and time these take to put together. They're quite addictive to make though
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures
You are doing good work really enjoying your videos. Wanting to know if 357 sig making hard cast ammo.
Double tap makes a 357 sig Hardcast
Good stuff, all I carry anymore is Underwood, so will you trust that in bear country?
Depending on the caliber, gun and type of bear, absolutely! Like I said at the end; as long as it's 800 lbs (give, or preferably take) this load can take it. I like it a lot.
Thanks for watching!
10mm next? either way good vid like always🤙🏾
I did a poll about what to test next on my community page here on the channel, and this guy had won. However, the Buffalo Bore 220gr hardcast for the 10mm was second place, so that will be the next one we test unless something comes up 👍
Thanks for watching!
What is lowest grain you would use in 45 for bear
230 grain as that's the lightest weight round I've tested, but G9 Defense's 165 copper round looks pretty promising. I plan on testing them out next year to find out.
Thanks...keep up the good work!
Your dog looks like Triumph.
she's hell of a lot prettier than that dog, but it is based on a Rottie so I see the similarity lol
Reverse engineer the load
What powder and weight and primer !
I got rid of All my 10mm’s. I don’t trust the round in an automatic. I switched to a Glock 41 loaded with my own hand loaded Buffalo bore 255grn HC.
You can buy the bullets from RimRock bullets in Ronan MT, down the street for me.
Starline brass and you can duplicate Buffalo bore exactly for less than half the cost.
People wonder why other countries hate us .... As we shoot jugs of drinkable water Lol
...that was sourced from a well and then went back into the ground :)
We also subsequently recycle the jugs that we salvaged from other people 👍
@@JepsOutdoorAdventures don't matter cuz I don't Go Green....I go Red White and Blue 🇺🇸
@@montana7922 k
Id trust it for black bear but not grizzly
But will they kill a Bigfoot tho?
Underwood is not 22 BHN Hardcast !
Underwood and Buffalo Bore use softer 15 /16 BHN
Interesting, thank you for sharing!
Out of the Carbine you will probably get 1000 + FPS.
That is the least you should have...
for black bears.
And, always have a medium to large fixed blade knife on you in black bear territory, large bowie for larger species of bear, moose, etc.
It'll do.
And as a knife guy, I agree wholeheartedly with carrying a bowie wherever possible. Although it's unlikely to do much to an angry moose or big bear, so I'm taking the .45 over a bowie against those two any day of the week
Thanks for watching!
Grizzly Ammo 200gr FNGC Hardcast
21 bHN bullet and better vel than Underwood and Buffalo Bore 10mm
I'll have to check those out!
Hello Jep, Why not compare all 45ACP GUNS with hi point 45 acp ,hi point 45 acp can also accept +P ammo,it maybe cheap,but oh boy it’s not the price of the gun but how you can hit the target.Thanks
Me duele todos los días no ser gringo, y que en mexico si quieres tener algo para defensa de delincuente no te bajen, y que los verdaderos delincuentes andan con sus fusiles y sus pistolonas como si nada.
I wish you guys had the human right to defend yourselves with fire arms. God Bless
Jep,
here's a true story of four guys shooting at a black bear with four pistols (one 10mm, one 44Mag, and two 45ACPs).
Pay close attention as to how far the 45ACPs penetrated. ua-cam.com/video/ClexOj6S_OE/v-deo.html
Nice channel but you can’t sponsor yourself.
I have a piece of paper that says that I can:
"I can do what I want"
your hands shaking buddy
I have a nerve problem and my blood sugar levels come into play a lot too. Sorry.
Damn dude you shake like a leaf are you taking care of yourself
Its from low blood sugar and a nerve defect I have. Sorry
Sorry but your mathematics are not good. Why would you think that the weight of the bullets AFTER HITTING THE TARGET gives you the correct footpounds? The energy is carried into and through the target! The mass of the bullet after it expends its energy has ZERO VELOCITY! Your correct footpounds are not as important as tissue and bone damage creating trauma. I digress. Still an EXCELLENT VIDEO.
Everyone can do the math based on the factory label, we're doing it based on the shooting results. We could do a comparison to what the label says, but we feel testing results are a better predictor of how the bullet will do and did.
As Tom Pullman said, these are results based off of our tests. The bullet will never hit at the same weight as they are packed. The rifiling takes some weight off, not just the testing mediums. Since these retained the majority of their weight, they still give you an accurate calculation in my opinion👍
Thanks for watching!
you video is boring
I know, one of these days I need to put out that musical I made with Chuck Norris and Sylvester Stallone. More entertaining, and certainly more informative
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nice video, thanks for running this test.
Do you know how many water jugs this round will penetrate (without any wood or other barriers) ?
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I'd guess north of 7 jugs, maybe closer to 10 👍
Thanks for the support, I appreciate it!