The meaning of homologation | Know it All with Jason Cammisa | Ep. 08
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- Опубліковано 25 сер 2024
- The actual definition of the term "homologation" isn't how car enthusiasts use the term. We use 'homologation' as shorthand for a "homologation car" or "homologation special" - which is a car that was produced solely to comply with regulations in order to go racing.
Many of the coolest cars of all time are homologation specials - and no surprise. They're exactly the type of car that enthusiasts love, and rarely make financial sense to produce. But in order go racing, a manufacturer has to produce them, and that benefits us all.
And whatever you do, don't ask Merriam Webster what she thinks.
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Jason is the reason I subscribe to this channel.
No doubt!
I subbed because of Davin and redline rebuilds
And with Matt Farah (modified) just got better!
He is phenomenal.
Totally
Now, we need a Curmudgeon show Special about ...Homologation Specials! And make it 3 hours long!
They have that at petrolicous..... It's a little weak though.......by petrolicous standard's..........
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo
But does it have Jason or hyphen Scott? That's like 90% of why I watch/listen to carmudgeon
Dear Haggerty decision makers:
More Jason Cammisa.
FULL stop.
Thank You.
Cheers from Vancouver, Canada:-)
All for it as long as it does not water down the drink. There is lots of good content in what Jason is presenting. If it was more often he'd have no leisure time and would eventually run thin on topics. Cycle World did the same with Kevin Cameron, arguably the best tech write in the magazine business, by having him write 4 or 5 articles for each issue. Once a week, or twice a month with a big budget is fine with me.
@@cgmoog username checks out
I concur
Agreed! Support from Rotterdam!
I’ve seen other videos on Hagerty, I just don’t watch them if they don’t have Jason Cammisa in the thumbnail.
I would love to see a “know it all” about suspension geometry. Like caster camber and toe angles presented by Jason
Me too
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Jason is the new Jeremy Clarkson and I'm here for all of it!
No, he’s better than that bumbling fool.
Clarkson is a douchebag
He's much better
No he is not. He is much more knowledgeable, but more sophisticated and way more intelligent.
Listen dude. You are amazing. We need more things like these. People need to understand what racing means and how much passion people have for it
I'm listening. Thank you! :)
How much racing USED to mean till late 80s. No one cares about racing nowadays and rightly so.
@@DuBstep115 man people like me care, but we are just not equipped or broke. I've spent all my savings doing this in a 3rd world country with absolutely no infra lol xD
Just been following Jason since head to head...never quite been the same.
"The lady on the phone was right. But it was a wrong number."
Thursdays are the best days now.
So true about touring cars, be it British, DTM or Australian. Back in 80s and 90s it was truely awesome to watch. These days watching a bunch of identical race specific prototypes couldn’t be more boring if it tried.
God touring cars used to be such a big force in racing, now it's just fallen the same with NASCAR. A new series, which brings back homologation and actual touring car racing coming up would be really great.
can I double triple like these videos so Jason makes more. I am watching them again 3 years later and enjoying them like the first time
(Updated) Without a doubt, Homologation created some of the greatest vehicles of all time. Here is just a list of some of the homologation cars produced. If I missed any comment:
Audi
:
1984 Audi Sport Quattro
Austin Rover Group:
1985 MG Metro 6R4
BMW
:
2001 BMW M3 GTR
1988 BMW M3 (E30)
1973 BMW 3.9 CSL @Miguel Garcia
M1 (E26)
Buick:
1986 Buick LeSabre Grand National
Chevrolet:
1969 Chevrolet Camaro ZL-1
1967 Chevrolet Camaro Z/28
1987 Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS Aerocoupe
Citroën:
1986 Citroën BX 4TC - Serie 200
Dauer:
1993 Dauer 962 Le Mans
Dodge:
1969 Dodge Charger Daytona
Ferrari
1962 Ferrari 250 GTO
1884 Ferrari 288 GTO (@ Jann Andriel Cervo)
Fiat Abarth
1976 Fiat Abarth 131 Rally
Ford
2017 Ford GT
1985 Ford RS200
1986 Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
Ford XY Falcon GTHO Phase III
1992 Ford Escort RS Cosworth
1969 Ford Mustang BOSS 429
1985 Ford RS200
Holden
1988 Holden VL Commodore SS Group A SV
Honda
2005 Honda NSX-R GT
Lancia
1973 Lancia Stratos
Lancia
1989 Lancia Delta HF Integrale
1982 Lancia 037
Maserati
2004 Maserati MC12
Mazda
1988 Mazda 323 Turbo
McLaren
1969 McLaren M6GT
Mercedes-Benz
1990 Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16 EVO II
1997 Mercedes-Benz CLK-GTR
Mitsubishi
1997 Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution
1992 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Nissan
1995 Nissan R33 GT-R LM
1998 Nissan R390 GT1
1990 Nissan Skyline GT-R (R32)
Oldsmobile
1991 Oldsmobile Cutlass Calais Quad 442 W41
Panoz
2001 Panoz Esperante GT
Peugeot
1984 Peugeot 205 Turbo 16
Plymouth
1970 Plymouth Road Runner Superbird
Porsche
1997 Porsche 911 GT1 Strassenversion
1995 Porsche 911 GT2 (993)
1987 Porsche 959
Renault
1980 Renault R5 Turbo
Subaru
1999 Subaru Impreza 22B STI
1994 Subaru Impreza WRX STI
Toyota
1998 Toyota GT-One
1996 Toyota Celica GT4
2020 Toyota Yaris GR @Tuff Ed Boi
TVR
1998 TVR Cerbera Speed 12
Volkswagen
1989 Volkswagen Golf G60 Rally
Volvo
1983 Volvo 242 Turbo Group A
Isn't the Ferrari 288 GTO also a homologation special? But I think it's a stretch to call it one. But also technically it is, it just didn't race the canceled Group B.
@@jannadrielcervo7753 in my books, it was designed and build for group B. Updating list
@@mathewhumvee How about the McLaren F1 LM? I don't know the rules regarding the class the McLaren F1 GTR joined. Or maybe it is just a special edition tribute.
Toyota GR Yaris
996 GT3 was a homologation car technically. They needed to build it to use the suspension uprights on the competition car.
Conversely the 22B STi was actually built to commemorate Subaru's 3 WRC championships rather than to homologate it for the WRC.
Travel and drive a GR Yaris. That's homologation special.
I've got one on order :D
the irony of the GR Yaris is that the actual race car was axed because of COVID, but Toyota persisted to sell the road car. A good move actually, but now I want to see what the WRC car would look like.
@@devandrasimanjuntak1646 It won the WRC Safari Rally in Kenya, one of the toughest WRC rallies, in late June
Awesome to see our Aussie V8 Supercars series used to say how exciting touring cars racing can be. Check out our new Gen3 series with real Mustangs and Camaros coming soon.
I would like a racing class for real "stock" cars. The only requirement would be that the car must be available from a dealer and modified only with parts available over the dealer's parts counter. The only exceptions would be safety items like roll bars, etc. This would create more public and manufacturer involvement.
Fact.
Lots of us agree; it’s been done several times, but they always creep towards purpose built silhouette car with fabricated frames and suspension, and not a single part with a factory part number to bend. But that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t do it again.
Australian production car racing exists. There's a bit of meddling from the rulemakers, but the cars racing in the Bathurst 6 Hour are usually close to bone stock. The variety is insane, too - BMW M3s, Ford Mustang GTs, a lone Focus RS, dozens of Mitsubishi Evos, a straightline monster of a Mercedes, a couple of Commodores, a Falcon, and more.
All five editions of the race are on UA-cam. Dig in.
That "Malibu Barbie drift car" was the video I didn't know I needed, but absolutely needed, LOL.
A more sedate episode. Not one of Mr. Camimisa's better videos, but still better than most of the "car enthusiast" drivel to hit YT.
Thank you for these lessons, Prof. Jason!
I wish these weren't so short. I could've watched an hour of this
It’s amazing how Japan bought a lot of the homologation specials. It seems like every Lancia delta integrale came from there. Would love to get to know a crazy owner and purveyors of homologation specials
@@eriksantoso1741 your response makes no sense.... He's pointing out a trend where a majority of homologated specials ended up in Japan for some reason..... Wethers if it's from bmw like the M3 Evo 2 , Porsche GT1s, 964, group B stuff or what ever they were all purchased and imported to Japan........
@@MiguelGarcia-vj7oo thank you! I appreciate that you understood what I was talking about.
Hit the nail on the head as to why I don’t watch most racing. I like cars based off the ones I can actually buy. Identical tube frames with generic bodies painted like road cars you can buy is massively unappealing.
The old days of Nascar.
Real cars with a fuel cell and extra crash protection.
How will crossovers do?
The lady on the other end of the line: "Sir, this is a Walgreens."
Uh oh. Was that who it was? I couldn't quite understand it through all the bleeping. 🤣
Love the WRX comments. I love my 2020 STI! Such an amazing car!
homolagation specials should be a must for every fia class and touring car based series
Used to have a Mazda 323 GT-R, one of 2500 built. That was one fun little car.
I like the bundle of Aussie $100 notes used in this video :)
Great show )
I thought it was something done to enhance milk. Thanks for clearing that up👍
For me the homologation car that I want the most is a Lancia Stratos.
Jason Cammisa is KING! One of the few I bother to subscribe to.
LOVE the content mate, You are the best :))
I can't be the only person that immidiately started to google Citroen Visa Tropee's can I? :D Oh, and the RoadRunner still resides in Sweden.
Jason is the best. These episodes are informative and hilarious. That’s success.
We need a Jason & Matt show. I don't know what, but it needs to happen.
Please no
NASCAR I HOPE YOUR WATCHING! He’s right! YOUVE KILLED THE SPORT! Congrats!
JASON CAMMISA VIDEO, instant like, no hesitation.
Hehe. Hey Beavis. He said 'homologate' hehe.
Excellent explaination
I truly love your videos Jason❣️💔❣️
Do a 10 part series on homologation specials please.
We need more content like this :)
😭 thnx for the 190e mention
Camissa's definition sums up homologations ☻
I completely understand
I love this show.
Whenever I hear the word "homologation", one vehicle that comes in my mind = the legendary Dakkar rally champion, Mitsubishi Pajero Evolution.
Suv evo that all people want,actually my favorite ones
I want to point out, and i might have missunderstood, but homologation specials refer to the road car being an homologated version of the race car not the reverse.The Stratos is homologated for the street so that the race (original) version is allowed to race. You made Thursdays great again Camisa!!
On this subject, you should do a Group B rally video
More of Jason Camisa!
LOVE THIS GUY!!! And he looks like the offspring of Jon Cryer and a young Jerry Lewis.
Btw Jason cammisa is my favorite auto journalist of all time then its Jeremy Clarkson and then Chris
I quit watching NASCAR because the cars aren't cars. You are right about the touring car racing. It was a blast to watch them.
"Merriam Webster... what does she know?"
Hahahaha!
You are hilarious.
Camissa, always great work!
Comment, comment, comment, thanks for the great video.JDS in AZ usa
Liked and subbed for JASON.
Man, agree on Nascar - all nachos, all made with Velvita and different amount of food coloring.
3:47
AMEN ... i am ALL for it
You know how we shorten everything. Yeh it would be problem in this case
I was really hoping for other, cooler namedrops. Does that mean we're getting more homologation cars on Icons and Revelations? Please tell me I'm right, Jason.
Shhhhh. ;)
Brilliant, will have to Google this so I get the full understanding of homologation, still not up with it yet.
Bring back homologation racing series!
The oan sounds like Alec Watson from Technology Connections 😂
Neon ACR underrated homolagtion special
Homologation would make NASCAR a lot more interesting - actually ripping around the track in Camery's and, well, no idea what Ford cars exist, would be way more interesting and show you what those cars can do!
They still make Mustangs.
Your description has a typo. It says "...in order [to] go racing..."
I was wondering if the black Daytona was Mike Musto's, but his has the black Cali plates.
1:59 is that a cirrus behind the CLK?
What's that red sedan in the background? New Mirai?
I wish that NASCAR and other supposedly road car based racing series would go back to requiring homologation cars.
How the hell do u pick such interesting topics dude
Wow, That gives a like!
He’s right about NASCAR.
Do you think they will be homologation cars after the GR Yaris
That 190E EVO 2 🤤
1:46 a lost opportunity for a mark on the screen *F@#! we do too
So what did the lady say exactly?
More Jason videos please!
Amen 🙏
Thankfully DTM is now basically another GT3 series. At least the car is now relatable instead of some silhouette.
A BoP formula isn't exactly a step forward from some of the last silhouettes left in motorsports. GT3 merely maintains the illusion of being interesting.
3:47 can't argue on that
So why is there no hyper miling racing series? That way car manufacturers would have to build extremely frugal homologation cars. I’d happily buy one very quick and very economical homologation special of a BMW 2 series coupe 😃
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16!
What wins on Sunday sells on Monday!
Jason!!! We need more Jason on youtube:)
Homologation is now forever 0:51
Bring back touring car racing
idk what the hell he's talking about, but because Jason, i must watch
Who is Arthur Mariah Webster? Can someone please help.
Toyota Mirai-m Webster episode
Thumbs up
No mention of the Gran Turismo Omologato by Ferrari.
I had that in there, originally. With a bad joke about Omologato Mister Roboto... but for obvious reasons I cut it.
what happened to last weeks video?
We did a bad job of communicating this - I'm doing 40 Thursdays this year. Initially we were going to do 10 weeks on, 4 off, etc. But we didn't wanna go dark for 4 weeks at a time, so we're sort of sprinkling in breaks here and there. Last week was one of them - sorry!
Even so, homologation means something similar for Germans, Japanese, France, UK, and any other manufacturers out there, and it means something entirely different for Italians.
If you catch my -HF- drift.
Enter Yaris GR
Miriam would be Very disappointed in only 4 minutes and 13 seconds Jason. Should I be rethinking that sandwich at Katz's Deli? 🙄
Share this thing
There's something very attractive and engaging about your presentation style
BMW CSL 3.0 🤘
I was blown away seeing a wad of Australian cash pop up.. that basically never happens