Dogville (2003) - Grace's Revelation
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- One of the final scenes in the movie, spoiler warning if you haven't seen the movie/know what it's about I guess, awesome scene, I love Nicole Kidman (in general, but especially in this movie)
Her acting here was so brilliant. So subtle, so gradual, yet transformative. She is insanely talented.
"Do the kids first and make the mother watch. Tell her you'll stop if she can hold back her tears."
“I’m afraid you’ve learned far too much already.”
Yeah. Teach her the virtue of stoicism.....
A challenging wank
@@starless9 what was that quote referring to or was it? like do the kids first
@@atilla7153 "Do the kids first and make the mother watch..." is said by Grace after her father's henchmen capture the town. This references when Vera smashes her figurines and promises to stop if Grace could hold back her tears. "You've learned too far too much..." is said by Grace's mobster father after being surprised by her vengefulness. But this is no substitute for the movie - it's a great chance to watch/rewatch!
Most satisfying movie ending ever
Oh Wow, I was trying to comment the same words but I saw yours, so thumbs up!
No. Power game sides. Nothing change. Love without power is weakness. Power without love is cruelity. She don't know this smell before...starving unhuman emptyness. Hungry abbys of power. Life devaluation. Power is envelopment . Love is halo. You don't have to to love. It just happen as growing hairs. Adult form of human. We just dream about it consume ourself and enviroment. She just step in infected jar of never grows up cattepilars...and become Jesus. I saw full form. You can see only construct of connection.
But the feeling peace and wisdom and acceptation is special. Fantazy is just seing behind shell of perception.
We don't understand power. Is just optymalisation resources. Order isn't control. Control is emergency state. If envelopment is corect we call it creativity. Creativity is process flexibility of form of reality. Goodness.)
@@notme5249 that's a fucking word salad
@@krwawyrzeznik No...Mona Lisa painting by stick. Poor language too expression.
@@notme5249 Saying a lot of nothing, if you could elaborate in normal sentence form rather than plattitude spamming, I'm sure it would be easier to get your point across.
This film almost single handedly change my view on humanity. No other film nor person has ever done that
Trier asks good questions. Zanussi also. Kieslowski etc.
Trier says movie must be like rock in the shoe. Here we go.
The requiem for a dream is pretty good to and shindlers list
Mine did not. I already knew human nature is extremely selfish, entitled and cruel.
@@mishynaofficialThere's no such thing as human nature, it's an argument used by people who wants to prolong our capitalist system. People react and behave to what they're surrounded and see in the world, if you were born in a selfish and violent environment you will act like that to survive and fit in.
I recommend “It’s a beautiful life”
It's an extremely satisfying ending, but it's also fulfils the directors intention: evil and cruelty can embody anyone. The town, and eventually Grace, and most importantly, the audience, for desiring and relishing in this moment.
Who says the audience desires and relishes in this moment. Maybe look up the definitions of the words you have chosen here.
@@ToniHunterOne You can literally read the other comments here. Also if you would rather this ending than say... grace showing mercy on the village and leaving, that literally means you want/desire this ending instead.
@@TheWarthogRunGame Evil can be subjective. Grace destroyed the town not mainly because of revenge, but because she thought it'd be evil to let what happened to her happen again (she directly mentions this). For me, that's a perfectly justified reason. This movie demonstrates the complexity of life and people, and how the world isn't black and white. I don't think this movie has anything to do with the "everyone can turn evil" cliche. In fact, the driving force behind Grace's choice is her sense of morality, she realizes how evil these people's actions are when she understands that she could never defend such actions if she were the one who had committed them.
@@LolLol-qv6ty Lars Von Trier was asked to explain what Dogville was about and he said "Evil can arise anywhere"
Throughout the last hour of the movie, I was asking for something like this to happen. When it actually did, I did not end up enjoying it. It’s a very interesting thing to think about
What a beautiful combination, the voice of the narrator, the things he says, the look of Grace and the amazing music
I always had the impression that Grace and her father are there as symbols of God. We are used to thinking about the good, forgiving God of the New Testament vs the cruel, violent God of the Old Testament. But in reality if there was only mercy, the world would be hell and no one would examine themselves. If there was only justice and no forgiveness, it would also be hell since everyone is mostly garbage inside. The ending brings them together, grace and retribution, endless forgiveness and harsh justice. It's a true masterpiece.
I disagree. The problem with Grace is that she and her father have high standards, but their expectations are unreasonable cause peasants never knew them in the first place. That's why the laws work: humans don't cross the lines cause they're afraid of the punishment they expect to happen.
Yes, Grace is a figure of Jesus, the Redeemer and the Judge.
What a clip. Now imagine this quality movie making for two hours, and you've got Dogville. There is not a word or moment that is wasteful -or out of place. This is a masterclass.
Two hours? My version of the movie was 3 hours long, is there really a version with this much cut out?
@@SerpongeDash You're right! It never felt like. Wow.
The movie is too long. But the ending is worth it.
One of the best ending scene ever…this is one of my favorite movie....the last dialogue between the father and Grace…made me think when Jesus says”Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do” that’s what Grace think too..she forgive them for their unconsciousness..so that would mean that she consider herself superior than them. Like the father says.
Dogville represents the hypocrisy of the society in which we live...when we are faced with innocence and purity of heart instead of protecting and admire it...we destroy it, exploit it and take advantage of it...humanity does not deserve...does not deserve beauty and if there is any justice, the city should be destroyed as well as its inhabitants... only the dog is left alive because animals are more real than humans...this is the message of the great Lars.
Suggest some more satisfying movie ending like this
The Dressmaker
yes there is one "The Cook, the Thief, His Wife & Her Lover"
After Lucia by Michel Franco. It's the Hostel of movies about bullying.
@@tasmaniastate6815 interesting i am a fan of badass movie
@@kalleandersson6844 thanks for suggestion
1:19 This moment creeps me out and shivers my spine everytime I see
I totally agree! How the narrator goes from the whole to oneself, brings tears to my eyes. We fight for the good causes and that is awesome, but we tend to forget our little poor selves. We too need to show us some compassion and love from time to time…
That's Nicole Kidman's acting for you
This clip deserves 10s of 1000s views.
Greatest price of art of all time.
James Caan plays an older version of his most famous character in this film.
LOVE LOVE LOVE this movie.
One of my all-time favorites
Nicole Kidman is such an amazing actress.
This is Dogville the embodiment of any town, city, district, nation, etc in any societal system. Capitalism, feudalism, caste system, communism, rich or poor is entirely irrelevant. These animals are the worst thing in a society, these animals are the abusers and rapists who do not act on any semblance of a moral compass and they sure as Hell don't have the capability of engaging in introspection. Tom is one of the worst offenders, he pushed Grace into becoming his experiment and tried to use her to prove a point, he was too cowardly to ever admit fault and he is the embodiment of a philosopher who cannot amount to anything (reminds me of Hasan Piker in all honesty) he was no different from the other animals of Dogville. Whether the the baby deserved judgement or not is hard to justify, which is why with a thiest perspective the baby would recieve justice by going to Heaven while his family will most certainly burn in Hell. An athiest would claim that the baby shouldn't live in that shithole, as they could've become the next abuser.
The message is clear on what the film portrays, abusers must be cut off from life no matter how difficult it is and evil must NEVER EVER BE TOLERATED. The only time there can be forgiveness is when when the person learns the error of their ways and repents through punishment. These bastards never learned their lesson, when they realized that Grace was no longer useful to them they betrayed her by calling the Mafia. The only way she could recieve justice for the cruelty now is to burn that place down and put those animals to rest. It isn't revenge it is justice.
This film filled me with genuine disgust, not at humanity, but to those who hate it enough to spit on the kindest individuals by tolerating injustice. These are the people who would defend Jeffrey Dahmer or that young man who killed the family in a drunk driving accident. We need to hold these monsters accountable and an eye for an eye doesn't make the world blind, Gandhi is simply wrong.
we think alike. what those villagers did was utterly cruel, and any sane person reviewing their deeds would feel no remorse for their deaths. maybe they don't deserve "endless suffering" in a never-ending hell. but a dose of their own medicine? yes please. those who let out violent criminals again and again end up causing more suffering to humanity that their own lives could ever have contributed with in terms of happiness.
A movie I vowed not to wach ever again, because of the dark place it has put me in!
Can you expand on why
Masterpiece
Power.
I know this is just a movie but still i thought it was absurd the whole villagers to be so cruel over a one girl. It's but too exaggerated for the sake of shock value.
idk, this reminded me a bit of the case of Sylvia Likens
It happens all the time with bullying, gang rapes, and genocides. People find it easier to do terrible things to someone if others are willing to do the same and spread the blame.
This does happen. Sylvia Likens is a famous example. People hear about or see abuse, and are silent. Either because they’re too afraid, don’t care about the victim, think the victim deserves it, are friends/like the perpetrator etc.
You are naive to think this does not happen somewhere out there everyday, especially in this online era where rumours can spread like wildfire and powerless people are pressured and bullied by people who cannot think for themselves.
@@FEARSxCAMAR0and if that person is alone noone to support her the. They dont fear or respect
So, tiger tooths are better than larws yelling hunger...Fresh flesh than decay corps. I saw simlar movie as child about men who heal peoples in village. They become strong and they burn him in his home. "This how figt hell with heaven". I remember this sentence.
I can't find this movie. Burned home on the sky. Something what I can reconaize in my small head.
What are you even saying, none of this makes any sense
@@notme5249 so what you said is for the small brained, makes sense
@@notme5249 are you enlightened?
Another Cassavetes rip off movie...
Which one?
@@johnvanover783 all of them.
@@angc1456 Lame.
@@DarkForcesStudio Cassavetts is Lame?
@@angc1456 No.
Spoiler @2real4real Alzheimer
Von Trier spends most of the movie making us hate the townspeople and then he presents us this ending on a platter, and you can almost hear him going "isn’t this what you wanted?," but instead of replying "yes!," you're just sitting there squirming because of how uncomfortable you are. Classic LVT!
Nah, I was screaming yes
@@chicken0w044yeah, me too
Dogville made me hate Paul Bettany, testament to his performance, but I can't stand him in any other film.
You'll hate him in Gangster No.1 too. Good movie.
most satisfying movie ending ever
People like justice in movies, but forget this is basically a true justice for all humanity leaving nothing, but destruction after themselves. A good thinking starting point
Not gonna lie, I smiled.
I love John Hurt's voice SO MUCH
A MASTERPIECE!
Grace is what Jesus could have become if He ended up choosing revenge instead of love.. that being said I think the town deserved what they got in the end, it was a very liberating feeling watching them burn
If I had been Grace, there is ONE thing I would have done differently. I would have gone to Vera, taken the baby from her, told her "He is MY son now," and walked away, giving the order to shoot the other kids. Not only does Vera die watching her children be slaughtered, she also has the knowledge that her child will be raised by the woman she hates and that he will call this woman "Mother."
A really nice idea, I love it
Well yes, the death of the baby made me think hard. I mean Grace spared Moses, the dog, cause he didn’t have the freedom of choice and only obeyed his nature, and I find this idea brilliant! But what about the baby? Shouldn’t she spare it under the same pretext? I don’t know the answer, it just kept me thinking
WTF are these degenerate comments
i dont think thats normal
@@kellyp.5063 Baby is as useless as a ceramic figurine
it says so much about being human . . .
Most people miss the point of the movie which was inspired by Sigmund Freud's monogram- booklet 'Civilization and its Discontents'. Freud's point being that we humans deceive ourselves in the interest of civilization that at heart we are peaceful loving creatures who by and large only react with violence when threatened. Freud's misanthropic vision of humanity is that we are mostly trash who will violently and sexually exploit others when given the chance to and that it doesn't matter what sort of society we live in; this will happen because we are human. Many psychoanalysts, from the time Freud put forward the idea of the death instinct and humanities innate cruelty in1920, rejected this idea and instead put it down to Freud's misanthropic nature, but not all. Some more loyal analysts saw these analysts as being in denial about themselves and unwilling to swallow the bitter pill that Freud was presenting them with.
Very interesting info. Thanks
A concept of hidden inner evil is a rather trivial idea which is considered wrong by contemporary social science. A human tends to behave and live by the rules and, more importantly, by what is considered socially approved. Stanley Milgram experiments don’t show any sadistic or violent desires of the participants. They show the power of authority. White lab coat and science as credible social constructs, which have the ability to change a norm.
I don’t think the movie really questions why Dogville became like this or how noone stopped the moral decay of the society. Instead it questions the limits of forgiveness and the justifiablity of violence.
@@Vlad-sw4zd Trivial as you say the concept of inner evil is the movie was inspired by Freud's 'Civilization and it;s Discontents' which isn't about inner evil but about the roots of human aggression and destructiveness. As for Milligram's experiments regarding conformity to authority figures even at the expense of the belief of hurting others, this doesn't disconfirm the idea of unconscious desire to exploit and destroy merely that as Freud argued that human's will always find reasons and excuses for doing so. Freud believed most human beings are trash and this movie reflects that.
it is blatantly one of many de Sade's Justine adaptations
The problem is not that Grace ordered the killings, but that she inflicted terror beforehand in the burning and the psychological torture. If it was just about ones duty to goodness, the priority would have been killing them immediately to stop them from hurting others and hurting Grace with their presence. Their terror lives and dies with them (it would be entirely different if, say, she were to make an example of them to other towns) since nobody will know the story of Grace and Dogville outside of Grace and she has already judged the situation, and so the terror is cruel, and the cruelty is what is evil.
If Grace had lined them all up on the road and shot them, then I believe the ending would be far less contentious. But by adding the cruelty, it creates an unease. Grace is owed justice, but cruelty for its own sake is not justice.
Гениальный фильм. Один из самых честных, пронзительных и смелых за всю историю кинематографа. Браво, Маэстро!
frik, u r better