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Will you be doing an update since the 5 suspect was finally arrested and charged. His name was floating around but he wasn’t charged until just now. And we need to applaud and hopefully financially help the minor daughter who gave LE all the information and puzzle pieces to make these arrests and have a solid case. I worry about her safety as well as being able to survive within that family when she rolled on her own mother and others who are involved in a criminal organization it sounds. If there isn’t a Go Fund Me for this young girl, I hope the community will start one for her, as well as put pressure on LE to insure her safety and make sure wherever she is placed is somewhere safe with people not in support of these individuals who are capable of such horrific, malicious crimes.
My ex-husband was very abusive towards me and we always had a very volatile relationship and it was a very, very bad divorce. When we had to do our custody exchange of our two daughters, I put in our paperwork that it had to be done at the sheriffs department, every single time that we did our exchange. My ex hated it, but I didn’t care because it made me feel safer! I wish more people would do this!
NOTE - A Fifth arrest has been made in this case. During this episode I referred to Paul Grice was arrested and charged on 4-24-24, after this podcast was recorded and aired.
The fact that the grandmother threatened to kill if she didn’t get custody (in front of the judge) makes me extremely angry. Again, the Family court system needs an overhaul!
I always think when cases like this happen, it shows that the perpetrators don’t really love the children involved as people, but as objects to be owned. If they loved them as children they wouldn’t cause them that kind of trauma.
You are applying rational logical behavior to someone who is ruled but hate. I would have used all my resources and contacts to help the mother of my grandchildren… she was a baby herself when she started having kids but I bet she comes from nothing and this woman has achieved a level of financial success. But also… there’s a 27 page report that is sealed because he was a minor… about the moms 13- year old brother being the Josh Duggar type to not just these kids. I heard an early interview by the grandmother’s attorney
Divorce and custody can be absolutely horrible. I am so thankful that when it came to custody of me when I was 2yrs old, my mother simply handed me to my (competent and loving) father and walked away.
These custody cases resulting in death are so horrendous. I wish people could pause and realize that they're harming their child more than anyone else. I'm going through a divorce and as annoyed or angry as I am, I conduct myself calmly and rationally bc I know that's what my kids deserve. It's awful when the child loses one parent to death and another parent to prison.
Thank you EBD for covering the court filing. I can’t get it out of my mind who would make their teenage daughter clean blood out of their vehicle from just killing someone ???!
These Grandmothers who want to raise their Grandchildren did not do such a good job raising their own kids, what makes them think they can do a better job raising their Grandchildren.
@@Tammy_26Irwin I agree! Grandkids are fun because we do not have to do nightly homework and car pool runs. I thought I was finished with school until I realized I had to participate all over again with my four kids.
I’ve been following this since it happened as I have friends in the area. It’s not just Veronica’s 2 children that are going to suffer, but Jilian’s 4 children, as well as Cole’s children and Cora’s children as well since they have now lost their parents. And Paul Grice (the 5th suspect) was arrested today, so his children will be suffering as well. I don’t understand people and the things they do!
Jillian was the cousin of a good friend of mine. The whole thing is horrible and these people are absolutely disgusting. So much love for the victims families.
An anvil is very heavy, used to be a base for hammering, or curving metal. I live close to Oklahoma and have lived in Oklahoma. I am 59 and have never seen an anvil fly off a vehicle. They are generally bolted to the bed of the vehicle, so they don't fly off. That my friends is a crock of 💩
What is it about this time of year? Last year a woman I knew was allegedly m-rdered by her ex and father of her two children. There was a multiple state-wide search for her after her disappearance in early March and the speculation is that she had told him she was moving away and planned to take the kids with her because he was ab-sive. He was charged after her body was finally found relatively close to the property of some of his family. And his family was fighting for custody for a long time, but eventually it was decided they would stay with her family, thankfully. RIP Maddie Kingsbury and way too many others who are taken by bitter exes or families of bitter exes.
I hope to god that the teen who’s been providing information to the police is protected. It’s incredibly brave of them to give that information, but I’m scared for their safety. Also, I hope they can get any and all of the therapy and help they may need throughout and following this.
As a Black woman, the idea of pulling up to a police station with a gun in a holster on the hip is baffling. It's not something that anyone that I know would ever think about doing. Also, I grew up in the PNW and I'm from your generation, I was born in 76. Logging is probably the biggest industry there, and Final Destinatiom also influenced my driving habits 😂
I'm trying to picture wtf the anvil plan was (I'm only a few mins in) & this comment just cleared it all up for me with the Final Destination reference, thank u
One frightening ferry trip 🫣the crew put me right along side 😳🤯a Big Rig & flat bed loaded with full sized logs piled up to the tippy top 🔺 , nighttime and the ocean super 🌊 choppy 🙀 Left my vehicle, went inside the sitting area-> imagining all those 🪵 falling down onto the 🚗 . Worst ⛴️ experience ever and never so grateful upon reaching solid ground 🎉
@@madreep oh gotcha around here it’s more for rattlesnakes and coyotes then protection from ppl. Ya though when we go to the city I always have to remind my husband to put his gun away or leave it in the motel room
All these anvils make me think they planned the murder/accident based on Wiley Coyote & the Roadrunner... this is just stupid. No wonder they were quickly caught.
Just wanted add, you said that family court cases are really dangerous. You’re right. There’s a case here in australia, where the family court was bombed (and murders), after a man lost custody, it’s a really scary case and I think it’s only just been proved, to a legal satisfaction. We all knew who did it, but didn’t have the evidence.
We just had one in Richland, WA where the mother and underage "girlfriend" of the dad were killed and the 1 yo was kidnapped. The baby was found safe and the dad self unalived so he wouldnt get caught. It's devastating.
I’m in Oregon and got the amber alert for this. So glad the baby was found safe. Do not like that they are calling this young lady the “girlfriend” when there were pending child sex crimes against this guy because she was currently 17, with a 1 yr old…so he groomed and impregnated her when she was 15 presumably? Horrible.
@@A_L-qy2qg 17? I thought they said she was 15? I could have heard it wrong, but that doesn't excuse his behavior. It's absolutely gross that they call her his "girlfriend". That's why I put it in quotes, because she's not a girlfriend, she's a victim. It's just absolutely heartbreaking.
I've lived in Kansas, Oklahoma my whole life, 63 years. I have yet to see an anvil on the highway. 🤷 If one did fall off a truck they are so heavy it wouldn't fly through the window of another vehicle instead it would drop immediately to the ground. 🤷🤦
So many cases lately with custody… a pediatrician in KY pleaded guilty for hiring a hitman to “get rid of her husband” due to her losing the custody battle. So sad for all the kids.
I wasn’t sure you were going to cover this case because it dealt with children. I’m glad you’re covering it. I need someone with a level head looking at it. I just don’t understand how it is wrong to have more people to love children. People need to stop and think about the children not about themselves. Now the kids are without their mom murdered at the hands of their grandmother. I hope these kids are getting some good counseling and are spared anymore details. It sounds like even dad needs to stay away. He’s not in the right place to help. Thank you for being you and explaining the real details.
@@stevec1945 not initially. At least not in Oklahoma City. Eventually the media picked up on it. I had to get info off the internet and UA-cam because the info the media was putting out wasn’t accurate.
The Pike town massacre is still the craziest murder over child custody. You could do a retrospective, they’re all sentenced. Law and crime has trial streams
Thank you, Emily! I am part of a large Facebook group about this case. Many folks have legal questions, so I have shared this video there and will continue to as you cover the case. You’re the best!
mildly off topic but it still amazes me that a single scene in a SEQUEL to a 2000's teen horror movie has such resonance and stays with so many people that it actually has changed how people drive. Such a great series, love horror movies (much more than the actual horror people to do real people...)
I’m live in Oklahoma and this is the first I’m hearing of this coverage. Honestly I’m glad I don’t read the paper or watch the news.. I enjoy Emily’s coverage of heavy topics like this one.
Tifany (grandma suspect) made the accusation that Veronica’s brother SA’d the children. Not proven, but was going to be part of Veronica’s court case (which never happened due to her being killed).
I can’t believe there’s been no updates on this case since a month ago when the arrests took place! I’ll bet these people actually get away with this! We need someone to push this to stay in the forefront
Are you in any of the groups on FB? Honestly, there are a few who do have some very accurate updates... There are also groups on here pertaining to this case
Yeah, we all know you should give loaded anything space. They also tend to throw up rocks that crack windshields. So I give these trucks a lot of space. If something falls off, I want avoidance options. Of course, I normally have a lot of space between me and the vehicle in front anyhow. Okay, Okies aren't bright enuf to tack down their loads - is that what they are telling us? LOL.
To everyone that is affected by parental alienation, i feel your pain, ive been alienated for 4 years. No chance of seeing them as the royals and their government say it does not exist so they have no intention of changing the law. I hope you fimd peace in your grief, i hope one day you are United with your kids. Never give up hope that one day you will see your kids.
Thank you for covering! This case isn’t far from me, and we have friends who knew Kelley. Several of us in the area are just shocked that this happened… also, the Kansas town is pronounced as Hug-e-ton.
From what has been said, it sounds like Tiffany was very off the rails and verbally told even the judge that if the children were given to her she would ☠️ people. I don’t know how anyone is then surprised. I even heard the judge had to have protection because of Tiffany’s threats. Tiffany’s son even made it clear the woman was nuts and capable of violence. Is this all false that’s been circulating? It isn’t like she did this alone. She was able to easily talk 4 other people to brutally ☠️ these two women. A child of one of the women was the one to tell LE who all was involved and what their plans were. So they even felt comfortable involving a child in what they did to these poor women. I can’t imagine any of them weren’t well know by the town, and not in a good way.
These murders seem occur during the kids adorable - cute age. You never see “problematic” custody battles over kids who are in their awkward adolescence phases. Thanks goodness my siblings & I were ugly - probably saved my dad’s life lol.
I appreciate your humor and honesty while breaking down these cases. I also had an immediate wtf moment with the whole anvil thing and we'll admit to giggling at your whole rant/explanation/confusion of it. I too am from your generation and get the FD references.
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Will you be doing an update since the 5 suspect was finally arrested and charged. His name was floating around but he wasn’t charged until just now. And we need to applaud and hopefully financially help the minor daughter who gave LE all the information and puzzle pieces to make these arrests and have a solid case. I worry about her safety as well as being able to survive within that family when she rolled on her own mother and others who are involved in a criminal organization it sounds. If there isn’t a Go Fund Me for this young girl, I hope the community will start one for her, as well as put pressure on LE to insure her safety and make sure wherever she is placed is somewhere safe with people not in support of these individuals who are capable of such horrific, malicious crimes.
My ex-husband was very abusive towards me and we always had a very volatile relationship and it was a very, very bad divorce. When we had to do our custody exchange of our two daughters, I put in our paperwork that it had to be done at the sheriffs department, every single time that we did our exchange. My ex hated it, but I didn’t care because it made me feel safer! I wish more people would do this!
NOTE - A Fifth arrest has been made in this case. During this episode I referred to Paul Grice was arrested and charged on 4-24-24, after this podcast was recorded and aired.
The fact that the grandmother threatened to kill if she didn’t get custody (in front of the judge) makes me extremely angry. Again, the Family court system needs an overhaul!
I always think when cases like this happen, it shows that the perpetrators don’t really love the children involved as people, but as objects to be owned. If they loved them as children they wouldn’t cause them that kind of trauma.
You are applying rational logical behavior to someone who is ruled but hate. I would have used all my resources and contacts to help the mother of my grandchildren… she was a baby herself when she started having kids but I bet she comes from nothing and this woman has achieved a level of financial success. But also… there’s a 27 page report that is sealed because he was a minor… about the moms 13- year old brother being the Josh Duggar type to not just these kids. I heard an early interview by the grandmother’s attorney
@theemilydbaker - I grew up in a generation that if we see anvils falling from the sky, we assume Wile E. Coyote is somewhere above us 🤣
As an OSHA professional i can say anvils dont frequently fall on cars
@emily d baker I found a courthouse Becky song for you and an actual court case involving sneaker confusion a la MSCHF... where should I send them
I hope the teen is in a safe house somewhere
I’m pretty sure she’s in protective care of the FBI.
Divorce and custody can be absolutely horrible. I am so thankful that when it came to custody of me when I was 2yrs old, my mother simply handed me to my (competent and loving) father and walked away.
All custody battles should be like this
This is big my kid comes home from school and spills the tea on their friend group level of charting needed.
Did the Anvil have "ACME" on the side? If not the police will never believe it was an accident.
These custody cases resulting in death are so horrendous. I wish people could pause and realize that they're harming their child more than anyone else. I'm going through a divorce and as annoyed or angry as I am, I conduct myself calmly and rationally bc I know that's what my kids deserve. It's awful when the child loses one parent to death and another parent to prison.
You are doing right by your kids. You are making your kids wellbeing the top priority. ❤
Thank you for covering this custody case. It is horrible. Breaks my heart all the way to my mommy soul!
Rest In Paradise💔
I use to practice law in this area and it truly is the Wild West
I am 42 and live in Kansas all my life, never saw an anvil fall off a truck and may have seen 1 anvil in my life 😂
Right! How are they thyinking that this just happens!
@@TheEmilyDBaker I have no idea! The anvil thing is so strange!
I have only ever seen anvils on Minecraft. Never thought of them as an actual irl thing
This whole thing is awful. But my heart breaks for the CPS worker and her poor family. 💔
Thank you EBD for covering the court filing.
I can’t get it out of my mind who would make their teenage daughter clean blood out of their vehicle from just killing someone ???!
These Grandmothers who want to raise their Grandchildren did not do such a good job raising their own kids, what makes them think they can do a better job raising their Grandchildren.
Exactly, didn't her son go to jail?
My own mother is one of those people and she has ruined my daughter who is now 21. She didn’t raise any of us kids (there are 3 of us) btw.
The only way I’m ever raising my grandchildren (god forbid) is if something ever happened to their parents
@@Tammy_26Irwin I agree! Grandkids are fun because we do not have to do nightly homework and car pool runs. I thought I was finished with school until I realized I had to participate all over again with my four kids.
I just saw that Paul Grise (the 5th person) was arrested today.
Yes he was.
Do people like this ever really think they we will away with it?? I’m glad they got caught quickly either way,
I’ve been following this since it happened as I have friends in the area. It’s not just Veronica’s 2 children that are going to suffer, but Jilian’s 4 children, as well as Cole’s children and Cora’s children as well since they have now lost their parents. And Paul Grice (the 5th suspect) was arrested today, so his children will be suffering as well. I don’t understand people and the things they do!
We have a lot of cases on our plate and Emily adds another. lol. Love being a lawnerd. 💜💜
I had to know what wa going on here....
Anvil - did they get this idea for murder watching Wiley E. Coyote?
I actually said What in the actual Looney Tunes 🤣💜
Horrible! Another grandmother allegedly went the Adelson route? What is happening 😳
Jillian was the cousin of a good friend of mine. The whole thing is horrible and these people are absolutely disgusting. So much love for the victims families.
CW’s parents…wow. Can’t even imagine what their childhood has been like.
That area is seriously empty of people. Road less traveled . Horrible place for a meetup.
An anvil is very heavy, used to be a base for hammering, or curving metal. I live close to Oklahoma and have lived in Oklahoma. I am 59 and have never seen an anvil fly off a vehicle. They are generally bolted to the bed of the vehicle, so they don't fly off. That my friends is a crock of 💩
Good morning, Law Nerds and Paw Nerds. I hope everyone is having a good day.
What is it about this time of year? Last year a woman I knew was allegedly m-rdered by her ex and father of her two children. There was a multiple state-wide search for her after her disappearance in early March and the speculation is that she had told him she was moving away and planned to take the kids with her because he was ab-sive. He was charged after her body was finally found relatively close to the property of some of his family. And his family was fighting for custody for a long time, but eventually it was decided they would stay with her family, thankfully. RIP Maddie Kingsbury and way too many others who are taken by bitter exes or families of bitter exes.
I hope to god that the teen who’s been providing information to the police is protected. It’s incredibly brave of them to give that information, but I’m scared for their safety. Also, I hope they can get any and all of the therapy and help they may need throughout and following this.
As a Black woman, the idea of pulling up to a police station with a gun in a holster on the hip is baffling. It's not something that anyone that I know would ever think about doing.
Also, I grew up in the PNW and I'm from your generation, I was born in 76. Logging is probably the biggest industry there, and Final Destinatiom also influenced my driving habits 😂
I'm trying to picture wtf the anvil plan was (I'm only a few mins in) & this comment just cleared it all up for me with the Final Destination reference, thank u
One frightening ferry trip 🫣the crew put me right along side 😳🤯a Big Rig & flat bed loaded with full sized logs piled up to the tippy top 🔺 , nighttime and the ocean super 🌊 choppy 🙀
Left my vehicle, went inside the sitting area-> imagining all those 🪵 falling down onto the 🚗 .
Worst ⛴️ experience ever and never so grateful upon reaching solid ground 🎉
It’s an open carry case. We all open carry in this area. Not unusual at all
@aleciavarner6447 it's not unusual to me, it's just not something that people in my community have the luxury to do and live to tell about it.
@@madreep oh gotcha around here it’s more for rattlesnakes and coyotes then protection from ppl. Ya though when we go to the city I always have to remind my husband to put his gun away or leave it in the motel room
All these anvils make me think they planned the murder/accident based on Wiley Coyote & the Roadrunner... this is just stupid. No wonder they were quickly caught.
😂 "Emily are you digressing because this is awful and you're mad"
.... I so understand how you digress EDB! 😂
Does ANYONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN?
I don’t think so
It seems they use the chilodren as an excuse, without real thought.
Just wanted add, you said that family court cases are really dangerous. You’re right. There’s a case here in australia, where the family court was bombed (and murders), after a man lost custody, it’s a really scary case and I think it’s only just been proved, to a legal satisfaction. We all knew who did it, but didn’t have the evidence.
Do people not ever watch Dateline? You will be caught! Just don’t do it!
I add the entire programming of the Investigation Discovery Channel 😉
Dude ikr. They literally always get caught 💀 and people still think they're so smart
Those poor kids. It sounds like their entire life has been surrounded by trashy, selfish, and now criminal people.
Welcome to Oklahoma. I think the water here is tainted
Hi Emily! Hey law nerds! Sending love from Arizona❤️
We just had one in Richland, WA where the mother and underage "girlfriend" of the dad were killed and the 1 yo was kidnapped. The baby was found safe and the dad self unalived so he wouldnt get caught. It's devastating.
I’m in Oregon and got the amber alert for this. So glad the baby was found safe. Do not like that they are calling this young lady the “girlfriend” when there were pending child sex crimes against this guy because she was currently 17, with a 1 yr old…so he groomed and impregnated her when she was 15 presumably? Horrible.
@@A_L-qy2qg 17? I thought they said she was 15? I could have heard it wrong, but that doesn't excuse his behavior. It's absolutely gross that they call her his "girlfriend". That's why I put it in quotes, because she's not a girlfriend, she's a victim. It's just absolutely heartbreaking.
I've lived in Kansas, Oklahoma my whole life, 63 years. I have yet to see an anvil on the highway. 🤷 If one did fall off a truck they are so heavy it wouldn't fly through the window of another vehicle instead it would drop immediately to the ground. 🤷🤦
Right. How do you even throw an anvil?
Not to many overpasses either in that part of Oklahoma.
Was behind a log truck part of my commute home last night and I did not waste my chance to pass them 😂
This is horrible! Poor teenager i hope she is in therapy now.
So many cases lately with custody… a pediatrician in KY pleaded guilty for hiring a hitman to “get rid of her husband” due to her losing the custody battle. So sad for all the kids.
I wasn’t sure you were going to cover this case because it dealt with children. I’m glad you’re covering it. I need someone with a level head looking at it. I just don’t understand how it is wrong to have more people to love children. People need to stop and think about the children not about themselves. Now the kids are without their mom murdered at the hands of their grandmother. I hope these kids are getting some good counseling and are spared anymore details. It sounds like even dad needs to stay away. He’s not in the right place to help. Thank you for being you and explaining the real details.
Wondering if Jillian being an court appointed escort could leverage harsher charges, like for LE???
An anvil?!? WTF was their reference material, Roadrunner cartoons?
When they say anvil on the back of a work truck it is a small little anvil that workers use not a big one like you see on the cartoons
That’s exactly what I was thinking. Like what in the Wylie Coyote is happening with this?
This is awful. Why do people think they are clever and won’t be found out.
Having followed this case since the beginning, I’ve been hoping and waiting to see if this one would be covered by Emily.
These custody type murders are so horrible. Another case was the Piketon massacre where The “W” family killed 8 members of the Rhoden family. Tragic.
Good morning from sunny Saskatoon 🇨🇦 😊
Well that’s a first! A freaking anvil? wtf?!
Good morning from Oklahoma, but not the panhandle where this occurred. Just awful. Horrible. No words.
Was this a big deal on OK? Hadn’t heard of this case before this 😮
@@stevec1945 not initially. At least not in Oklahoma City. Eventually the media picked up on it. I had to get info off the internet and UA-cam because the info the media was putting out wasn’t accurate.
I knew one of these families growing up. Hard to believe how close to home this stuff can get.
The Pike town massacre is still the craziest murder over child custody. You could do a retrospective, they’re all sentenced. Law and crime has trial streams
Not all have been through trial yet. Billy Wagner goes to trial in 2025. But I agree that it’s definitely one of the most insane ones.
Hello from Elkhart Kansas thanks for covering this case 😢
Do those Anvils have ACME written on the side of them ?
😂
😅
It feels somewhat disrespectful of me toward the dead but i immediately had this thought.
Oklahoman here, I agree, this will probably be a death penalty case.
This is so sad for the kids.
when the person who destroys the family IS family? where dies it go from there?
My heart breaks for these Two families. I hope a law for safe exchange comes from this and as always Thanks for breaking this stuff down.
Oklahoma native here...thank u for covering this case EDB💜. Kudos to you; You pronounced Guymon right the 1st time, exactly like it's spelled. 😊
Love your coverage of this case. It's the best I've heard 🎉👍👏
That final destination scene impacted a generation of drivers😅🥴
Thank you, Emily! I am part of a large Facebook group about this case. Many folks have legal questions, so I have shared this video there and will continue to as you cover the case. You’re the best!
mildly off topic but it still amazes me that a single scene in a SEQUEL to a 2000's teen horror movie has such resonance and stays with so many people that it actually has changed how people drive. Such a great series, love horror movies (much more than the actual horror people to do real people...)
6 and 8 are the ages when little ears hear when you think they don't. Those children may have known their mom was in danger.
And the poor 16 year old. God thats so horrifying for that poor kid to know and see
Who the heck can pick up an anvil and throw it at the car? Wow
Thats why they had to change the plan 😂
Thank you Emily for covering this case.
I’m live in Oklahoma and this is the first I’m hearing of this coverage. Honestly I’m glad I don’t read the paper or watch the news.. I enjoy Emily’s coverage of heavy topics like this one.
Why were supervised visits necessary?
I'd be interested to hear about that too.
Tifany (grandma suspect) made the accusation that Veronica’s brother SA’d the children. Not proven, but was going to be part of Veronica’s court case (which never happened due to her being killed).
How much psychological damage has been done to the children while living with these lunatics?
..An Anvil?! What, are they getting ideas from road runner cartoons?!
An anvil??? What in the Acme looney tunes wyle E. Coyote are they thinking?
I feel the final destination so deep in my core 😂
Thank you for covering this edb! This happened in my town! We are still in complete SHOCK!
I can’t believe there’s been no updates on this case since a month ago when the arrests took place! I’ll bet these people actually get away with this! We need someone to push this to stay in the forefront
Are you in any of the groups on FB? Honestly, there are a few who do have some very accurate updates... There are also groups on here pertaining to this case
This is one of the most rancid examples of "love"
Don't forget Pike County Ohio where an entire family was killed so the mothers family also could not get custody. 😢
It blows my mind, don’t these people think of the children and their own families? How many people are being affected for their actions now.
Anvils? Did they get inspiration from Wile E Coyote?
😂🤣😂🤣
My family lives in that area. These are really, really good people and I'm sure they are proud of CW.
Yeah, we all know you should give loaded anything space. They also tend to throw up rocks that crack windshields. So I give these trucks a lot of space. If something falls off, I want avoidance options. Of course, I normally have a lot of space between me and the vehicle in front anyhow. Okay, Okies aren't bright enuf to tack down their loads - is that what they are telling us? LOL.
I'm from that area. None of this shocks me. 😢
Ive had the rewind this about 10 times my brain is just not doing the focus things today 😭😭😭 ill try again tomorrow
I need a family tree or pictures with string drawing the lines on the tack board 😆 I’m giving it a second go this afternoon.
@annm9589 oh God I didn't even get to that part I was close to the beginning 🙃🥴 so it's gonna get worse 👌
I know a lot of blacksmiths and Horseshoer. Never seen an anvil at risk of falling off. Besides,they would just be too heavy to fly
Didn’t the movie “Sweet Home Alabama” have anvils shot out of cannons? Please tell me, southerners, is that a thing?
I've only seen it in Sweet Home Alabama....no idea if it's true.
Absolutely. A fairly small anvil will weigh in at 300-500 lbs.
Craziest thing I have heard in a very long time! They have been watching too many Looney Tunes cartoons!
@@annm9589I spent the first 32 years of my life in the South. I have never seen an anvil in person.
I'm a paralegal and I don't do family law. I've done it in the past and i cannot stand watching people use thier kids as pawns.
To everyone that is affected by parental alienation, i feel your pain, ive been alienated for 4 years. No chance of seeing them as the royals and their government say it does not exist so they have no intention of changing the law. I hope you fimd peace in your grief, i hope one day you are United with your kids. Never give up hope that one day you will see your kids.
Thank you for covering! This case isn’t far from me, and we have friends who knew Kelley. Several of us in the area are just shocked that this happened… also, the Kansas town is pronounced as Hug-e-ton.
From what has been said, it sounds like Tiffany was very off the rails and verbally told even the judge that if the children were given to her she would ☠️ people. I don’t know how anyone is then surprised. I even heard the judge had to have protection because of Tiffany’s threats. Tiffany’s son even made it clear the woman was nuts and capable of violence. Is this all false that’s been circulating? It isn’t like she did this alone. She was able to easily talk 4 other people to brutally ☠️ these two women. A child of one of the women was the one to tell LE who all was involved and what their plans were. So they even felt comfortable involving a child in what they did to these poor women. I can’t imagine any of them weren’t well know by the town, and not in a good way.
💕 So sad for those children 💕
I have driven through the panhandle many times. It truly is in the middle of nowhere.
These murders seem occur during the kids adorable - cute age. You never see “problematic” custody battles over kids who are in their awkward adolescence phases. Thanks goodness my siblings & I were ugly - probably saved my dad’s life lol.
What in the Wile. E. Coyote hell is this family?
Good Evening, from the Netherlands 💜👋🇳🇱.
I can't understand why the mother (victim) would choose or agree to exchange custody in such a remote place.
I appreciate your humor and honesty while breaking down these cases. I also had an immediate wtf moment with the whole anvil thing and we'll admit to giggling at your whole rant/explanation/confusion of it. I too am from your generation and get the FD references.
An anvil through the windshield??? What in the Acme Roadrunner and Wile E. Coyote is this, and what were you on when you came up with this idea???
Same place my mind went to 😂
What in the Wile E. Coyote is going on?
These cases make my stomach turn. They hit too close to home for me. 💔
I been through it, I feel extremely bad for the mother & the court appointed supervisor;