I get a impression that the ISO ranging is because of the low light mode they have made more "advance" Nice to hear your points on switching, we can all agree it is lightyears ahead when it comes to sound. Damn that is insane 😂🙌🏻 Almost too good now. Even if I'm not completely agreeing on some of your points here, it is always nice to hear your solid take on why. There is one thing I wish DJI actually did learn from gopro. That is the foldable feet. You always have it with you. I can't begin do describe how frustrating it was to forget the magnetic mount at home, and can't use it with other gear because there was no feet. This is actually a strong point in my opinion. I have not seen the Magnetic mount on the Osmo Action 5, but on the OA3 there was some minor freeplay between the connection and made the vibration to the camera even worse sometimes. Good run trough mate. Appreciate your take on this 🎥🙌🏻 And it has to be said, the micro jitters on the Osmo Action 5 is still there and it is not good.
@@PSBEadventures micro jitters is the problem that occurs when you shutter speed is to low or the iso is to high (noise in the image) and the electronic stability in the camera makes the footage worse than it would without stabilization. This can ruin a lot of shots in low light or not ideal conditions which we often find ourselves with action cameras. I have a shorts video on my channel that shows how bad it can be with the Osmo Action cameras. The reason why I went back to gopro again.
Great video Brent. re: microphone positioning (Im no sound tech so terminology won't be accurate here) - if you place the microphone just after the exhaust and in approx firing line of the gases even with the deadcat, you end up getting a lot of that distortion in sound bcos of the puffs of air/gases as they exit the exhaust tip. You can kind if hear it at 3:45 and 3:55. From experience, I think if you placed the mic, say, just in front of the exhaust tip (say, at the front of your rear rack), you'd get the exhaust sound youre after but without the distorted puffing sound. Although you may have already experimented with this position...
Another great review 👍 i recently switched to the same setup as yours including a mini 4 pro . I’d add another reason : the AP5 allows you hours of filming with one battery , a huge advantage vs go pros and instas when travelling outside ✌️
i'm thinking of switching as well, but based on my research a couple of thing. you can play with the settings of GOPRO by pressing on the bottom video mode and press edit on the right, then you can play with ISO, Shutter speed... 2nd thing is that the new GOPRO has a quick release mechanism. I have the Gopro 10, hadn't had any issues, but it sucks at low light!
Also a long press on the preset button (on the touchscreen) gets you directly to editing the current preset. On the 13, you can hold the power button and press the shutter button to cycle between the presets without using the touchscreen (with gloves on or in a waterproof cage), which only kinda worked on the 10 (only with front screen on). I haven't tried the 11 or the 12, don't know which version has fixed this behavior. It would be nicer if these things were better documented - I only found out about them from reviews.
There are third party ND filters that screw on the OA5Pro. I have the Neewer ND+CPL filters, they're listed compatible with OA4 but they fit the OA5Pro as well. Plus they have integrated CPL(you can get them without it as well).
Welcome to the club 😉 I also switched last year and did not regret it. And you know how much I spent on GoPro in the past. Including developing my own GoPro remote as an iOS app.
I used to be a long time GoPro user. It have the best image on daylight. And I switched to DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro this year. What I found after switch over are : 1. 2 hours+ video shooting time in 4K 2. never got hang issue 3. very good FOV ( no fisheye effect in ultraview , GoPro hyperview is horrible ) 4. I can shoot in vertical I hope the action 5 pro got better and better in the future firmware update
Brent, couple things: Would you mind listing a link or exactly what wireless mics you use. I have done basically all my footage on a Hero 9, and it's lost so much good footage, I want to sling it down through the woods. Always glitches at the exact moment I really need it. Anyways, I have a rig to where my voice, and my riding buddy's voice tee into one 3.5 mic jack into the media mod and that's worked fantastic. One by my mouth and one by one of the helmet speakers. So last year I got the Osmo action 4 and I just have been completely unable to get the audio right. I've tried just about every wired usb mic they make and they are okay but you can't split them really without converting them to TRS etc. I've tried every single gain setting that there is and there has just been no way I can find to make it work for me. I absolutely love everything else about the action 4. Instant on, battery life, the quick release, the quality, Image stabilization, all that. Was thinking about getting the hero 13 but seeing this has me thinking the action 5. On the internal combustion stuff. I rode the baddest Zero bike you can buy. Some of the most amazing acceleration I've ever felt, and I've driven 1000+ hp mustangs. After about an hour, I realized I hated it and it was just missing something. I was a soul. No exhaust, no gears, no clutch. Nothing but throttle and break. Although I loved the acceleration, that alone didn't come close to making up for the sound.
I have also moved from GoPro to DJI and loving the new Action 5 Pro. You first mentioned that you didn't move the ecosystem because of the quality but that kind of contradicts you point #06 Low Light Video. Bigger sensor = better quality in low light situations. Also, GoPro does have magnetic mount capability in the latest version (Hero 13), but of course you need to buy it as a separate accessory (Magnetic Latch Mount)
The new gopro has the quick mount, though you have to buy it seperate. It's quite expensive on all DJI, Gopro and Insta360 to buy multiple ones. Also since gopro 10 if you update firmware from SD card only, I have had not freeze issues since. Gopro also claims that the H13 code base is redone from scratch and that they have eliminated the freeze/lost footage issues.
Brent I really like all your videos! Your Guides are absolute wonderful with really useful information! Best Adventure channel! Please do a video on where you mount your cameras and what camera you use when. Also how do you like the Avata? Does it follow you on your bike?
Thanks for your note.... have you seen my series on optimizing gopro for motorcycles, it does cover a lot of that, but perhaps I'll update it over xmas with a new video on behind the scenes. I also have a video that I made showing how I pack my bike for multi-day adventure (video gear). ua-cam.com/video/LkiI1uQWPd0/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/FH4HMg0sRQE/v-deo.html
Thanks Brent, as always, great information, i was already thinking to give the DJI Action a try, .... now i know i will, specially after getting the Dji W/Mics. BTW, i few month ago, got my Skydio 2+, motivated in a big way by your footage. I can thank you enough for that, i love it soooooo much. It is hard for me the sitting down and editing part, i have so much footage, but eventually i will, Baja has so many beautiful places .... Looking forward to your upcoming video ! Saludos from Baja California Sur.
You are welcome. The Skydio is amazing. A bit if a collectors item now. Baja is beautiful. I was there recently for the first time for a wedding. Alas no bike riding.
Fantastic info Brent. A decision based on real-world use. I really need to upgrade my trusty Sony X3000. Question for you re. the radio mics... do these connect to the Action 5 wirelessly? No cables, no extra module hanging off the camera?
Thanks Brent. Another great informative video. I’m now converted too and moving over from the GoPro 7 which has been reliable however the 8,9 and 10 ect had issues hence me not upgrading . Question: What’s the best set up to use inside the helmet for audio with these cameras? Can you plug a mic straight into the new DJI 5 ?
Good comparison, I would like to rank the low light video quality as number one and i think you have forgotten the battery time as number 3. It´s an annoying hassle having to stop and change the Gopro battery so very often.
I just made the same switch, reliability and low light performance being the biggest reasons. The audio on the GoPro was good with the media mod but that's only when it works properly. For the DJI mic, would you just pair it and record or are there any settings that I will need to adjust? My mic will be mounted to my helmet so It will pickup my voice as well as the bikes engine.
1. Audio is such a big part of the video experience. I've run rear audio a lot in the past, which, if you can get it out of the wind, works really well. This will work for you because you don't capture voice while riding. Doing it without a timecode to sync is a pain, and it sounds like DJI has a good solution for it.
😂 yes not only lack of timecode, but even with timecode, each devices RTC is slightly out over long clips. The beginning syncs, and by the end of say a 40 minute clip, there is a delay between audio files, even a hundredthof a second, is noticeable. Just spent 3 weeks individually syncing each clip on a 1h20m video 😅. The other great hurdle is the distance between the audio capture locations causing a delay.
@@in2ADV so do the last few gopros, problem is, you need to QR code them all onto a network each time you power cycle them. I dont find it really makes much difference for anything but short clips. I leave mine running for sometimes a few hours at a time. RTCs in each device has inconsistencies that still create syncing issues. If you just use short bursts of filming it works fine.
When I did the review of the Carpe Iter tablet, I rode with 2 dji radio mics, one on the rear and one in my helmet and it worked perfectly. Have you tried that?
I have the twin dji mic 2 wirelessly connected to the RX then 3.5mm jacked into the gopro mic adapter on my 2nd gopro. So then when I hit the record button on the remote, I have 1 video with 2 external audio tracks from mics and another video file from the helmet cam with lav mic in helmet. I run my 12 from a powrr bank m using PD port also running a battery inside the gopro. It will shoot for 12 hours straight on a 2TB sd card in hot or cold weather no issues. I don't get the gopro lockup issue. Ive used pov cams since gopro was a point and shoot wrist mounted camera. Back then it was a modded oregon scientific 2k with a fisheye lens mounted to the end in a helmet. Ive had gopro SD AAA battety powered, HD hero, hero 2, hero 3 hero 3+ 2 hero 4s, hero 5 hero 7 hero 9 and now 2 hero 12s. Never had many issues. There are certain procedures not in the instructions that need to be used to ensire smooth operation, such as on quick record, the first record needs to be about a minute long so the OS can boot properly other wise it locks up if you shoot a short clip and needs the battery pulling. Canbus in older cars is similar, always wait for fuel tank level to register on acc before cranking the starter, the voltage drop of a cold start can make the ECU and associated ICs that handshake on start up wig out halfway through booting up.
I must say, my hero 9 has locked up on me, lost footage, corrupted files and randomly cut off at the worst times more times that I can count. I've been very close to launching it off several very steep cliffs lol. It has to be the single most glitching electronic device I've ever owned, and that's been a ton. I will say I like the footage and sound it captures when it works. I got the action 4 last year and it's leaps and bounds better to use everywhere for me except the audio. I absolutely can't get that set right. Tons of gain issues.
@@TRAVERSE_ADV No, it doesn't.... which was something I wanted to test out, but the auto gain seems to work just fine. I've tried the mics in 3 locations. 1) On the back of my 901 (pretty quiet exhaust) 2) In my helmet 3) On the back of my 701 (Loud Wings exhaust) And in all cases I was really happy with the sound levels. No distortion.
Hey mate. I went with the GoPro hero 13 and simply bought the dji mic 2 kit. It syncs much better with the 13 than with the 12. I have one connected to the rear of the bike, (similar to you) and the other is spare for voice or nature b-roll etc. Re: video, the 13 now has the HLG HDR which is so good to work with post prod, much improved on the 12, and it matches with the HLG iPhone footage finally.. totally agree with exposure controls that are non existent in the GoPro.. they’re the only way I shoot in manual on my mirrorless canon, I take this for granted when shooting photos and video.. so frustrating! As for mounts, the new quick release for GoPro is best in market.. can work in reverse and is more solid. Tested these when I considered swapping to dji recently also. I agree with low light, Dji smashing it out of the park here. GoPro is indeed in need of a new sensor! The new ND system is great though! I don’t mind unscrewing. Awesome comparison review mate, keep ‘em coming!
Running a phone for audio above the exhaust for audio was the way we used to do it in the olden days with the big synch clap. I thought you would have done the same.
GoPro certainly designed its product for an entry-level audience. The settings you and I want confuse those people, then they have issues resulting in more calls to their support centre. However, they have simplified their product even further recently. Using the same colour profile makes a lot of sense. Does the DJI have a D-Log? I found the Log mode in the Hero12 excellent and what's kept in the GoPro ecosystem for now. Curious to see your long-term experience before I consider switching, but everything you said makes a lot of sense. It's great that people now have good choices in the market.
I hear you on the advanced settings, but I don't know why they couldn't just put them behind an "advanced" setting or something so that it was there for those that really need it. Yes, I'm using D-Log M to record, and then using the DJI input LUT to correct back from Log to Rec709 in grading.
@@brentbat they did have something like that on the Hero12 when I bought it, didn't have a resolution but something called "Easy controls". If I was the product owner, I'd make it two products and set an appropriate price point. I used a log similar to the LUT process and was quite impressed with A, how good it looked, and B, how little colour processing was required. Check out Part 4 of my Outback series. You can really see the difference between the handheld Hero 9 and the 12 on the helmet.
G’day Brent. I really like the DJI Action4 but find the FOV, even with cropped Horizon Balance setting to be too wide. Subjects such as other riders appear much further away from you than they really were. Scenery shots are flattened and detail lost, again too wide a view and not how your eyes perceived it during the ride. Do you find the Action 5 gives you a more realistic FOV over the Action 4 ?
I haven't compared the field of view, but I'm editing my adventure ride from last weekend and I'm pretty happy with the footage... In fact my buddy HD was riding with a GoPro, and as I'm bringing in the footage, the DJI footage just seems "cleaner" for some reason. I think we set all the settings to be as closed to identical as we could (flat color profile etc.).
salut vidéo très intéressante... merci. ce qui m’inquièterait c'est la durée de vie du micro sans fil qui va subir beaucoup de vibration et de chocs. j'ai 2 caméras OSMO ACTION de 2019 ( certaines couleurs ne sont pas de bonnes qualité, fait constaté depuis mon retour d'un Raid au Maroc) l'image avait une couleur rose suivant la luminosité) la stabilisation est de très bonne qualité malgré l'age de la caméra sortie en 2019. je vais réflechir à acheter un modèle plus récent action 4 . le son conditionne tous le ressenti du film et c'est ma hantise à chaque montage, j'ai investi dans du sans fil "pas du DJI" et du filaire RHODE pour la voix et le son ambiant. je suis fou à chacune de vos aventures ( pas pour votre conduite qui reste correcte😁) mais la qualité de vos films, il manquait le son, vous allez vous rapprocher de la perfection. votre voix UNE VOIX 😍
Hi Brent, I hope you don’t mind the comment but I found out we might be in Mongolia together next year and it was fantastic to find someone else planning on recording the adventure!
if you get 3D footage then it will look steep, but from a single camera POV is not possible. To compensate for that one must be trailside to capture the footage of the steep angle, not on-board
No offence but this sounds like an ad even though you said it isn’t. Especially when if you watched the hero 13 release video it solves some of these issues. 1. But instead of engine you are just getting exhaust. I don’t think it’s better at all tbh. With a windsock I get a great motor sound on my GoPro chin mount. 2. Hero 13 natively handles the ND filters now automatically when put on to handle exposure etc. Yea GoPro labs is required as a pro because consumers will mess with advanced then complain to GoPro support and everyone else when their video comes out bad. Just look at the GoPro sub reddit for the lack of understanding of videography. 3. You do a lot manually when the GoPro automatic settings are amazing. 4. Hero13 has the magnetic clip now and the clip is backwards compatible apparently. Media mod is fair though. 5. Reliability agree it’s an issue. Apparently they’ve done a full rewrite of firmware so hopefully will get better. 6. Yeah low light sucks on GoPro. 7. Using GoPro labs you can use QR codes to switch modes and can’t you change this on mobile app? Agree should be more custom toggle options though. I thought you might have stuck some to your tank to scan and change very specific settings. Also surprised the anamorphic lens on hero 13 didn’t excite you. Guess it’s too late now to watch the hero 13 launch video. Anyway love your videos thanks for the review.
Sorry if it sounded like an ad, I was trying to be very specific in my personal decisions. Yes, I also used the Gopro media mod with the windsock, and my sound was "ok" (it did cut out a lot of the wind noise), but I much prefer really hearing the exhaust etc. I think i'll still play around with mounting positions. On the exposure info point, I don't know why they couldn't just hide that behind an "advanced" setting in the menus, leave it off by default, but make it available. Having to install hacks is just a terrible option. On point 7, I tried the QR codes... I actually printed them and laminated them and put them on each sleeve, so I could just hold a wrist up in front of the camera to switch modes, but they ended up getting trashed (or I forgot them). I didn't want to stick QR codes all over my dash/windscreen.
GoPro has been a disappointment since the release of the Hero 8, I'm slowly moving away to Insta products as I replace gear, no more GoPro for me either.
If I ever want to be angry, I just go and try to pair my GoPro Hero 12 Black to my phone. Guaranteed failure and subsequent rage. It's unbelievable how bad their syncing and setup still is after all these years
I get a impression that the ISO ranging is because of the low light mode they have made more "advance" Nice to hear your points on switching, we can all agree it is lightyears ahead when it comes to sound. Damn that is insane 😂🙌🏻 Almost too good now. Even if I'm not completely agreeing on some of your points here, it is always nice to hear your solid take on why. There is one thing I wish DJI actually did learn from gopro. That is the foldable feet. You always have it with you. I can't begin do describe how frustrating it was to forget the magnetic mount at home, and can't use it with other gear because there was no feet. This is actually a strong point in my opinion. I have not seen the Magnetic mount on the Osmo Action 5, but on the OA3 there was some minor freeplay between the connection and made the vibration to the camera even worse sometimes. Good run trough mate. Appreciate your take on this 🎥🙌🏻 And it has to be said, the micro jitters on the Osmo Action 5 is still there and it is not good.
Can you take a second to explain "micro Jitters: thanks
@@PSBEadventures micro jitters is the problem that occurs when you shutter speed is to low or the iso is to high (noise in the image) and the electronic stability in the camera makes the footage worse than it would without stabilization. This can ruin a lot of shots in low light or not ideal conditions which we often find ourselves with action cameras. I have a shorts video on my channel that shows how bad it can be with the Osmo Action cameras. The reason why I went back to gopro again.
@tshansen 10-4, thanks man!!! Understood, I'll check out the videos!
Great video Brent. re: microphone positioning (Im no sound tech so terminology won't be accurate here) - if you place the microphone just after the exhaust and in approx firing line of the gases even with the deadcat, you end up getting a lot of that distortion in sound bcos of the puffs of air/gases as they exit the exhaust tip. You can kind if hear it at 3:45 and 3:55. From experience, I think if you placed the mic, say, just in front of the exhaust tip (say, at the front of your rear rack), you'd get the exhaust sound youre after but without the distorted puffing sound. Although you may have already experimented with this position...
Another great review 👍 i recently switched to the same setup as yours including a mini 4 pro .
I’d add another reason : the AP5 allows you hours of filming with one battery , a huge advantage vs go pros and instas when travelling outside ✌️
i'm thinking of switching as well, but based on my research a couple of thing. you can play with the settings of GOPRO by pressing on the bottom video mode and press edit on the right, then you can play with ISO, Shutter speed... 2nd thing is that the new GOPRO has a quick release mechanism. I have the Gopro 10, hadn't had any issues, but it sucks at low light!
Also a long press on the preset button (on the touchscreen) gets you directly to editing the current preset. On the 13, you can hold the power button and press the shutter button to cycle between the presets without using the touchscreen (with gloves on or in a waterproof cage), which only kinda worked on the 10 (only with front screen on). I haven't tried the 11 or the 12, don't know which version has fixed this behavior. It would be nicer if these things were better documented - I only found out about them from reviews.
Wow! Sound... total eye opener! You got me thinking...
There are third party ND filters that screw on the OA5Pro. I have the Neewer ND+CPL filters, they're listed compatible with OA4 but they fit the OA5Pro as well. Plus they have integrated CPL(you can get them without it as well).
I love to hear this. I've hated using and processing ever GoPro video I've made.
Welcome to the club 😉
I also switched last year and did not regret it.
And you know how much I spent on GoPro in the past. Including developing my own GoPro remote as an iOS app.
Oh yeah, I remember your ios app. You were definitely "hard core" 🙂
Welcome to the DJI world.
I used to be a long time GoPro user. It have the best image on daylight. And I switched to DJI Osmo Action 5 Pro this year.
What I found after switch over are :
1. 2 hours+ video shooting time in 4K
2. never got hang issue
3. very good FOV ( no fisheye effect in ultraview , GoPro hyperview is horrible )
4. I can shoot in vertical
I hope the action 5 pro got better and better in the future firmware update
I also moved to DJI but the big reason for me is reliability. I read the Action 5 can sync two mic2's which is very cool.
Yes I have tried the two mics and it works well.
I thought the sound of the mic positioned on luggage rack was a bit much in isolation but once soundtrack and VO is added it’s soooo much better. 👍
Depends on the bike its coming out of! 😂
Yeah I agree no engine just exhaust isn’t what I want to hear in a video.
I went with the DJI product from day 1 but need to update. This has just confirmed I will stay with DJI! Thanks for the video!
Brent, couple things: Would you mind listing a link or exactly what wireless mics you use. I have done basically all my footage on a Hero 9, and it's lost so much good footage, I want to sling it down through the woods. Always glitches at the exact moment I really need it. Anyways, I have a rig to where my voice, and my riding buddy's voice tee into one 3.5 mic jack into the media mod and that's worked fantastic. One by my mouth and one by one of the helmet speakers. So last year I got the Osmo action 4 and I just have been completely unable to get the audio right. I've tried just about every wired usb mic they make and they are okay but you can't split them really without converting them to TRS etc. I've tried every single gain setting that there is and there has just been no way I can find to make it work for me. I absolutely love everything else about the action 4. Instant on, battery life, the quick release, the quality, Image stabilization, all that. Was thinking about getting the hero 13 but seeing this has me thinking the action 5.
On the internal combustion stuff. I rode the baddest Zero bike you can buy. Some of the most amazing acceleration I've ever felt, and I've driven 1000+ hp mustangs. After about an hour, I realized I hated it and it was just missing something. I was a soul. No exhaust, no gears, no clutch. Nothing but throttle and break. Although I loved the acceleration, that alone didn't come close to making up for the sound.
I have also moved from GoPro to DJI and loving the new Action 5 Pro.
You first mentioned that you didn't move the ecosystem because of the quality but that kind of contradicts you point #06 Low Light Video. Bigger sensor = better quality in low light situations.
Also, GoPro does have magnetic mount capability in the latest version (Hero 13), but of course you need to buy it as a separate accessory (Magnetic Latch Mount)
The new gopro has the quick mount, though you have to buy it seperate. It's quite expensive on all DJI, Gopro and Insta360 to buy multiple ones. Also since gopro 10 if you update firmware from SD card only, I have had not freeze issues since. Gopro also claims that the H13 code base is redone from scratch and that they have eliminated the freeze/lost footage issues.
Brent I really like all your videos! Your Guides are absolute wonderful with really useful information! Best Adventure channel! Please do a video on where you mount your cameras and what camera you use when. Also how do you like the Avata? Does it follow you on your bike?
Thanks for your note.... have you seen my series on optimizing gopro for motorcycles, it does cover a lot of that, but perhaps I'll update it over xmas with a new video on behind the scenes. I also have a video that I made showing how I pack my bike for multi-day adventure (video gear).
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@@brentbat Yes i have watched the gopro videos! I'll take a look at the other ones too! Thanks!
Thanks Brent, as always, great information, i was already thinking to give the DJI Action a try, .... now i know i will, specially after getting the Dji W/Mics.
BTW, i few month ago, got my Skydio 2+, motivated in a big way by your footage. I can thank you enough for that, i love it soooooo much. It is hard for me the sitting down and editing part, i have so much footage, but eventually i will, Baja has so many beautiful places ....
Looking forward to your upcoming video !
Saludos from Baja California Sur.
You are welcome. The Skydio is amazing. A bit if a collectors item now.
Baja is beautiful. I was there recently for the first time for a wedding. Alas no bike riding.
Fantastic info Brent. A decision based on real-world use. I really need to upgrade my trusty Sony X3000.
Question for you re. the radio mics... do these connect to the Action 5 wirelessly? No cables, no extra module hanging off the camera?
Correct. You turn the mic on. It lasts 6hours on a charge. No extra wiring or hardware needed. Just button on the cam and it records.
Thanks Brent. Another great informative video. I’m now converted too and moving over from the GoPro 7 which has been reliable however the 8,9 and 10 ect had issues hence me not upgrading . Question: What’s the best set up to use inside the helmet for audio with these cameras? Can you plug a mic straight into the new DJI 5 ?
You can use either a radio mic or a usb c mic plugged into the body.
@ Thanks Brent 🎥🏍
Good comparison, I would like to rank the low light video quality as number one and i think you have forgotten the battery time as number 3. It´s an annoying hassle having to stop and change the Gopro battery so very often.
Dry good point. The battery life is another plus.
I just made the same switch, reliability and low light performance being the biggest reasons. The audio on the GoPro was good with the media mod but that's only when it works properly.
For the DJI mic, would you just pair it and record or are there any settings that I will need to adjust? My mic will be mounted to my helmet so It will pickup my voice as well as the bikes engine.
Just pair it, leave the mic turned on (it has a 6hr life) then button the cam on and off. That’s it.
I get great audio with a Lav mic on my Insta 360 , voice and bike and if it’s really wet I pair the Ace pro up to my comm’s unit.
1. Audio is such a big part of the video experience. I've run rear audio a lot in the past, which, if you can get it out of the wind, works really well. This will work for you because you don't capture voice while riding. Doing it without a timecode to sync is a pain, and it sounds like DJI has a good solution for it.
😂 yes not only lack of timecode, but even with timecode, each devices RTC is slightly out over long clips.
The beginning syncs, and by the end of say a 40 minute clip, there is a delay between audio files, even a hundredthof a second, is noticeable.
Just spent 3 weeks individually syncing each clip on a 1h20m video 😅.
The other great hurdle is the distance between the audio capture locations causing a delay.
@@TRAVERSE_ADV The good thing with the DJI Osmo action 4 is it even has timecode.
@@in2ADV so do the last few gopros, problem is, you need to QR code them all onto a network each time you power cycle them.
I dont find it really makes much difference for anything but short clips.
I leave mine running for sometimes a few hours at a time. RTCs in each device has inconsistencies that still create syncing issues.
If you just use short bursts of filming it works fine.
When I did the review of the Carpe Iter tablet, I rode with 2 dji radio mics, one on the rear and one in my helmet and it worked perfectly. Have you tried that?
@@brentbat I dont have much realestate left after the gopro and mic adapter haha.
I have the twin dji mic 2 wirelessly connected to the RX then 3.5mm jacked into the gopro mic adapter on my 2nd gopro.
So then when I hit the record button on the remote, I have 1 video with 2 external audio tracks from mics and another video file from the helmet cam with lav mic in helmet.
I run my 12 from a powrr bank m using PD port also running a battery inside the gopro.
It will shoot for 12 hours straight on a 2TB sd card in hot or cold weather no issues.
I don't get the gopro lockup issue. Ive used pov cams since gopro was a point and shoot wrist mounted camera.
Back then it was a modded oregon scientific 2k with a fisheye lens mounted to the end in a helmet.
Ive had gopro SD AAA battety powered, HD hero, hero 2, hero 3 hero 3+ 2 hero 4s, hero 5 hero 7 hero 9 and now 2 hero 12s. Never had many issues.
There are certain procedures not in the instructions that need to be used to ensire smooth operation, such as on quick record, the first record needs to be about a minute long so the OS can boot properly other wise it locks up if you shoot a short clip and needs the battery pulling.
Canbus in older cars is similar, always wait for fuel tank level to register on acc before cranking the starter, the voltage drop of a cold start can make the ECU and associated ICs that handshake on start up wig out halfway through booting up.
Wow, you have quite the advanced setup. I hadn't heard about the first record needing to be a minute long so OS can boot properly.
I must say, my hero 9 has locked up on me, lost footage, corrupted files and randomly cut off at the worst times more times that I can count. I've been very close to launching it off several very steep cliffs lol. It has to be the single most glitching electronic device I've ever owned, and that's been a ton. I will say I like the footage and sound it captures when it works. I got the action 4 last year and it's leaps and bounds better to use everywhere for me except the audio. I absolutely can't get that set right. Tons of gain issues.
@PSBEadventures does it even have a gain adjustment?
@@TRAVERSE_ADV it definitely does, like +11 - -11
@@TRAVERSE_ADV No, it doesn't.... which was something I wanted to test out, but the auto gain seems to work just fine. I've tried the mics in 3 locations.
1) On the back of my 901 (pretty quiet exhaust)
2) In my helmet
3) On the back of my 701 (Loud Wings exhaust)
And in all cases I was really happy with the sound levels. No distortion.
Hey mate. I went with the GoPro hero 13 and simply bought the dji mic 2 kit. It syncs much better with the 13 than with the 12. I have one connected to the rear of the bike, (similar to you) and the other is spare for voice or nature b-roll etc. Re: video, the 13 now has the HLG HDR which is so good to work with post prod, much improved on the 12, and it matches with the HLG iPhone footage finally.. totally agree with exposure controls that are non existent in the GoPro.. they’re the only way I shoot in manual on my mirrorless canon, I take this for granted when shooting photos and video.. so frustrating! As for mounts, the new quick release for GoPro is best in market.. can work in reverse and is more solid. Tested these when I considered swapping to dji recently also. I agree with low light, Dji smashing it out of the park here. GoPro is indeed in need of a new sensor! The new ND system is great though! I don’t mind unscrewing. Awesome comparison review mate, keep ‘em coming!
Get GoPro labs firmware and you can use QR codes to quickly configure by facing camera at it.
No issues synching the DJI mic with the GP 13?
@ none yet mate. It’s pretty consistent each time the GoPro turns on.
Running a phone for audio above the exhaust for audio was the way we used to do it in the olden days with the big synch clap. I thought you would have done the same.
GoPro certainly designed its product for an entry-level audience. The settings you and I want confuse those people, then they have issues resulting in more calls to their support centre. However, they have simplified their product even further recently.
Using the same colour profile makes a lot of sense. Does the DJI have a D-Log? I found the Log mode in the Hero12 excellent and what's kept in the GoPro ecosystem for now.
Curious to see your long-term experience before I consider switching, but everything you said makes a lot of sense. It's great that people now have good choices in the market.
Most relevant DJI products have D-Log M. Which I find is flatter than the GoPro "equivalent". 🙂
I hear you on the advanced settings, but I don't know why they couldn't just put them behind an "advanced" setting or something so that it was there for those that really need it.
Yes, I'm using D-Log M to record, and then using the DJI input LUT to correct back from Log to Rec709 in grading.
@@brentbat they did have something like that on the Hero12 when I bought it, didn't have a resolution but something called "Easy controls". If I was the product owner, I'd make it two products and set an appropriate price point.
I used a log similar to the LUT process and was quite impressed with A, how good it looked, and B, how little colour processing was required. Check out Part 4 of my Outback series. You can really see the difference between the handheld Hero 9 and the 12 on the helmet.
G’day Brent. I really like the DJI Action4 but find the FOV, even with cropped Horizon Balance setting to be too wide. Subjects such as other riders appear much further away from you than they really were. Scenery shots are flattened and detail lost, again too wide a view and not how your eyes perceived it during the ride. Do you find the Action 5 gives you a more realistic FOV over the Action 4 ?
I haven't compared the field of view, but I'm editing my adventure ride from last weekend and I'm pretty happy with the footage... In fact my buddy HD was riding with a GoPro, and as I'm bringing in the footage, the DJI footage just seems "cleaner" for some reason. I think we set all the settings to be as closed to identical as we could (flat color profile etc.).
salut vidéo très intéressante... merci. ce qui m’inquièterait c'est la durée de vie du micro sans fil qui va subir beaucoup de vibration et de chocs.
j'ai 2 caméras OSMO ACTION de 2019 ( certaines couleurs ne sont pas de bonnes qualité, fait constaté depuis mon retour d'un Raid au Maroc) l'image avait une couleur rose suivant la luminosité) la stabilisation est de très bonne qualité malgré l'age de la caméra sortie en 2019.
je vais réflechir à acheter un modèle plus récent action 4 . le son conditionne tous le ressenti du film et c'est ma hantise à chaque montage, j'ai investi dans du sans fil "pas du DJI" et du filaire RHODE pour la voix et le son ambiant. je suis fou à chacune de vos aventures ( pas pour votre conduite qui reste correcte😁) mais la qualité de vos films, il manquait le son, vous allez vous rapprocher de la perfection. votre voix UNE VOIX 😍
excellent video and explanation
Hi Brent, I hope you don’t mind the comment but I found out we might be in Mongolia together next year and it was fantastic to find someone else planning on recording the adventure!
Ah yes. You are going to Mongolia in July too? Yes I’ll be there along with 3 of my buddies. I look forward to meeting you.
Hi.
I feel like the sd card used makes a difference. Which one do you suggest?
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Fastest you can afford Sandisk extreme or extreme pro.
Yes, I agree with Muscial Memology, I use Sandisk Extreme or Extreme Pro.
3:40 I'm sold!
Bit off topic I know, but what is that unusual seat you have on your bike ?
LOL, of course after I just bought a new GoPro 13. Another great video.
The GoPro is a good camera, but for MY STYLE of shooting it makes sense for me to switch. I'm sure you'll get plenty of good use out of the GP13.
gopro is already closing the quick app on Mac IOS at the end of the year.
I just can't wait for someone to make a camera where the drop looks as steep as it actually is!! 😂🤣
if you get 3D footage then it will look steep, but from a single camera POV is not possible. To compensate for that one must be trailside to capture the footage of the steep angle, not on-board
Ha ha!!!! I totally hear you on that. I would buy that camera in a heart beat :-)
I’ll never go back to gopro.
I ride bikes because I like the fart sounds they make.
No offence but this sounds like an ad even though you said it isn’t. Especially when if you watched the hero 13 release video it solves some of these issues.
1. But instead of engine you are just getting exhaust. I don’t think it’s better at all tbh. With a windsock I get a great motor sound on my GoPro chin mount.
2. Hero 13 natively handles the ND filters now automatically when put on to handle exposure etc. Yea GoPro labs is required as a pro because consumers will mess with advanced then complain to GoPro support and everyone else when their video comes out bad. Just look at the GoPro sub reddit for the lack of understanding of videography.
3. You do a lot manually when the GoPro automatic settings are amazing.
4. Hero13 has the magnetic clip now and the clip is backwards compatible apparently. Media mod is fair though.
5. Reliability agree it’s an issue. Apparently they’ve done a full rewrite of firmware so hopefully will get better.
6. Yeah low light sucks on GoPro.
7. Using GoPro labs you can use QR codes to switch modes and can’t you change this on mobile app? Agree should be more custom toggle options though. I thought you might have stuck some to your tank to scan and change very specific settings.
Also surprised the anamorphic lens on hero 13 didn’t excite you. Guess it’s too late now to watch the hero 13 launch video.
Anyway love your videos thanks for the review.
I hate how they changed the battery on the 13. Same size and all just different fitting position.
Sorry if it sounded like an ad, I was trying to be very specific in my personal decisions. Yes, I also used the Gopro media mod with the windsock, and my sound was "ok" (it did cut out a lot of the wind noise), but I much prefer really hearing the exhaust etc. I think i'll still play around with mounting positions.
On the exposure info point, I don't know why they couldn't just hide that behind an "advanced" setting in the menus, leave it off by default, but make it available. Having to install hacks is just a terrible option.
On point 7, I tried the QR codes... I actually printed them and laminated them and put them on each sleeve, so I could just hold a wrist up in front of the camera to switch modes, but they ended up getting trashed (or I forgot them). I didn't want to stick QR codes all over my dash/windscreen.
Only suggestion I would make is that I watch motorcycle vids for motorcycles and not music video. I don't enjoy the music at all.
K & f concepts ND filters screw in
GoPro has been a disappointment since the release of the Hero 8, I'm slowly moving away to Insta products as I replace gear, no more GoPro for me either.
Isn’t dji Chinese and GoPro American. Comes down to who you support.
If I ever want to be angry, I just go and try to pair my GoPro Hero 12 Black to my phone. Guaranteed failure and subsequent rage. It's unbelievable how bad their syncing and setup still is after all these years
I totally forgot about the pairing/synch issues.... agree!
Ha ha the audio from your mics sounds like garbage,