M4 Mac mini ($599) - Too Good to Be True?

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  • Опубліковано 21 гру 2024

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  • @OldboyGamez
    @OldboyGamez Місяць тому +641

    Basic model is not "just for browsing, and simple task", are you kidding me. Its as fast as M3 Pro machine, which was for "full profesional workloads and serious users". There is no better workstation for that money, not even close. Storage part i agree.

    • @MostWantedGrooves
      @MostWantedGrooves Місяць тому +26

      Fr , I’m some ways it’s wild how Apple did this. It’s all marketing at this point but shout out to them and what they’ve been able to offer since M1. crazy value for money for the technology this generation with ram boost in all generation. I think it’s mostly that really the ram upgrade included with the better chip

    • @mahirooyama9424
      @mahirooyama9424 Місяць тому +94

      Just buy the base model and use external storage thunderbolt 4 is fast enough where it won’t matter.

    • @notaregard
      @notaregard Місяць тому +6

      @@TyrantTitan. it just depends on what someone wants to do with the machine. most people don't need such a powerful GPU unless they are gaming or doing some kind of rendering, etc.

    • @cesarvarela5438
      @cesarvarela5438 Місяць тому +74

      Just remember that UA-camrs do not live in the real world with real people they live in a bubble

    • @choanlpoto
      @choanlpoto Місяць тому

      @@mahirooyama9424yea this dude is smoking good apple weed

  • @udiorockmeamadeus
    @udiorockmeamadeus Місяць тому +4

    Thanks! You go there for a while. I was thinking I just bought the worst Mac mini or whatever but notice it's less than half the price of the pro so you can get two of those minis for the price of the pro that just doesn't make any sense.

  • @yorkan213swd6
    @yorkan213swd6 Місяць тому +270

    I still do not understand: How this mini can make "basic tasks" when it as fast as M3 Pro chip ?

    • @Silicon_Magic
      @Silicon_Magic Місяць тому +83

      Simple, last years pro tasks are this years basic tasks. 🤣😉

    • @massimo79mmm
      @massimo79mmm Місяць тому +35

      well, i used the vanilla M1 mac mini 16gb for development, and worked great.

    • @bodigames
      @bodigames Місяць тому +28

      It’s marketing.
      M4’s CPU single and multi core is faster than the M1 Max and even M2 Max.
      The real difference here is GPU scores. The M4 scores right between the M3 and M1 Pro.
      Meaning that if you need to use a fast GPU the M4 is probably not for you.
      Any other chip that is M Pro or Max is faster than the M4.
      If you get the M4 Pro for GPU the story changes again. The M4 Pro is basically as fast the M1 Max.

    • @goobfilmcast4239
      @goobfilmcast4239 Місяць тому +18

      If you go back to 2019... it would have been the fastest Mac ever created.....with only the highest spec'd Intel Mac and iMac Pro edging it out in graphics performance...for 599 2024 dollars...that is CRAZY !

    • @k.vn.k
      @k.vn.k Місяць тому +4

      Easy, now you can do basic task faster with mini and pro tasks faster with mini pro. 😅

  • @michaelelliott3559
    @michaelelliott3559 Місяць тому +41

    I have the base model for a work computer in my office. I work in marketing, I constantly have ads editor open, 20 chrome tabs and a zoom call. This use to make my 2019 MBP heat up like a stove. The base model chews through everything. It is definitely a powerful computer.
    - Written on Mac Mini M4

    • @Applecompuser
      @Applecompuser Місяць тому +1

      What bothers me is that they all raved about the 2019 i9 MBP. They noted they fixed the heating issues. I bought a loaded one and as you noted, it has major heat issues. I would bet dollars to donuts some of these folks get free product to review and or are not actually using the computers.

    • @michaelelliott3559
      @michaelelliott3559 Місяць тому +2

      @ agreed. My 2019 was a great computer it’s just so loud under any load. Like 5 tabs and a zoom call and I can cook a burger. Glad I’m not the only one who’s been struggling with it

  • @itsrob2321
    @itsrob2321 Місяць тому +63

    My 2015 MacBook Pro has 4 cores at 2.8 with 16Gb ram and a 2Gb graphics card. It can run a modern recording studio and has for 7 years. So tell me how the base model M4 isn’t good enough for an audio recording studio? I also edited 4k video on my 2015 iMac and never thought it was too bad. I’m a skeptic on modern computers and the endless need for more. My first studio was a windows 2000 computer and it did digital audio quite well. I think the M4 sounds great. I’m about ready to give in and upgrade the numerous programs I use.

    • @DanielDChannel
      @DanielDChannel Місяць тому +2

      lol ,so true I have an i mac 2017 and still running adobe suite , studio one 6 and use them every day. and I can still upgrade to 32gb

    • @bavideomaker29
      @bavideomaker29 Місяць тому +8

      He would have no videos to make if he admitted this

    • @paulhorn24
      @paulhorn24 Місяць тому +1

      He is clickbaiting us. Ask other professionals in your industry, but not UA-camrs or their audience.
      There are Webforums and Reddit for every industry, you just have to find them with the search engine of your choice.

    • @rockets4kids
      @rockets4kids Місяць тому +4

      I have a 2015 iMac 27" retina and I'm not really wanting for anything either. That said, I'm so tempted to pick one of these up. If I could use my iMac as a target display it would be a no-brainer. The problem is, 27" 5k displays are still *really* expensive and I don't think I could downgrade there.

    • @appropriate-channelname3049
      @appropriate-channelname3049 Місяць тому

      All these online “review channels” are glorified salesmen who just want to to sell you more and more tech you don’t need while also trying to upsell you. Like the bast m4 Mac is pretty much perfect for anyone looking for a computer. Unless your a big gamer it can do anything you want better than any pc in its price range.

  • @niklassilen4313
    @niklassilen4313 Місяць тому +9

    The M4 Pro Mac Mini is NOT more than double the price IF you take into consideration the bump up in storage and memory! It's well worth pointing that out. If you spec the regular M4 with 512gb ssd and the next step of RAM, it comes much closer in terms of price.

  • @TomaszMaraszkiewicz
    @TomaszMaraszkiewicz Місяць тому +26

    Just tested the basic model for 3 days, running Parallels Desktop for a few hours, and on it Windows + PRO100 for interior design with Rendering and 3D graphics enabled + additionally other programs, and it did not even sweat. Fans do not turn on or are so quiet that you cannot hear them, the temperature is lower than watching videos on UA-cam. The decision was made to sell Mac Studio m2 Max.

    • @iXeo81
      @iXeo81 Місяць тому +1

      I need a new mac for app development. My Macbook Air 2017 is still working great but no new XCode for that. So I thought I need to buy a Macbook Pro with M4 for 1899 €. But I changed my mind after seeing all the good reviews about the M4 Mac mini. So I ordered it for 699 €. This safes me 1200 €. And yes it's no laptop anymore. But I will just use my old Macbook as a terminal to do remote connection to the new Mac mini. No need to wait for M4 Macbook Air in 4 months for 1299 €. Killer value this year.

    • @danielwp498
      @danielwp498 Місяць тому +1

      I tested mine on some 3D Blender project but the rendering speed was not good. So I can't imagine a Studio being slower than a Mac mini tbh.
      It is super fast on CPU based tests though and overal the experience was very pleasant.

    • @vueport99
      @vueport99 Місяць тому

      @@danielwp498 did it put a smile on your face?

  • @EnglishMike
    @EnglishMike Місяць тому +80

    The base Mac Mini m4 is such good value it's the first time I have every seriously considered buying an Apple device after being a PC user for over 30 years. Happy to let those who want to pay through the nose for upgrading the memory and/or storage pay the Apple tax for me!

    • @miguelalcides6475
      @miguelalcides6475 Місяць тому +3

      Same, it's the best value for your money that Apple has ever had since the MBA M1 which I bought 3 years ago and it's still my main driver, now this Mac Mini M4 is making me reconsider upgrading my desktop PC.

    • @timleahezra
      @timleahezra Місяць тому +3

      The 256gb is going to be a poke in the eye way too fast, and installing the OS on an external doesn't appeal to me. OS, apps and some scratch and it will be hurting for space.

    • @nuggyfresh6430
      @nuggyfresh6430 Місяць тому +7

      @@timleahezra what are you talking about? You put the OS on the main drive and then put on an SSD for file storage. Why are you saying that you would install the OS on an external? You’re just making stuff up to justify spending more.

    • @VVGRestoration
      @VVGRestoration Місяць тому

      @@nuggyfresh6430 Exactly. For example, I spend most of my time editing videos in FCP or photos in Lightroom. So, the OS and applications are on the internal SSD while the Lightroom and FCP libraries are on an external 1TB SSD. That 1TB external SSD cost half of what Apple charges for an extra 256GB.

    • @godsinbox
      @godsinbox Місяць тому +1

      mark my words, you will regret cheaping out!

  • @jonathanjones906
    @jonathanjones906 Місяць тому +13

    I hit Apple Store here in Bristol, UK on Saturday morning and within minutes was walking out with the base model Mac mini. It is sensational. Traded in the M1 and so a big step up, but the design of the Mac Mini is super! Really impressive.

    • @Swing4TheRing
      @Swing4TheRing 29 днів тому

      How much did they give you for the m1?

  • @glaucyaoliveira974
    @glaucyaoliveira974 Місяць тому +5

    For a photographer that uses a lot of photoshop BUT also uses external forms of storage - do you think mac mini would be just enough? Or should i consider the PRO version?

    • @actualskyler
      @actualskyler Місяць тому +2

      you will be absolutely fine with the base m4

    • @iXeo81
      @iXeo81 Місяць тому +1

      Just order it and find it out. If it does not fit return it. M4 has the same CPU power as an M3 Pro. Maybe it works for you. I think it will fit. Of course how much RAM and storage you need... how many multiple files do you have open and so on.

  • @Rychiar
    @Rychiar Місяць тому +13

    Base model is an absolute beast. I sold my m2 and got this and I’ve been using them
    Both as holdovers waiting for an m4 studio for design and photography… the m2 machine choked on raw photos but this one flies. It feels like it does everything better than my M2 Max studio I use at work

    • @NeeteshPathak
      @NeeteshPathak Місяць тому

      my recording devices are, 4k dslr n iphn 15 pro max
      please suggest is base model 16gb is enough for my 4 years need ?

    • @TomaszMaraszkiewicz
      @TomaszMaraszkiewicz Місяць тому +2

      Just tested the basic model for 3 days, running Parallels Desktop for a few hours, and on it Windows + PRO100 for interior design with Rendering and 3D graphics enabled + additionally other programs, and it did not even sweat. Fans do not turn on or are so quiet that you cannot hear them, the temperature is lower than watching videos on UA-cam. The decision was made to sell Mac Studio m2 Max.

    • @Rychiar
      @Rychiar Місяць тому +1

      @@NeeteshPathakthe base model should work fine 🤷🏻‍♂️ if there’s any issues it’s cheap enough to sell and update every time a new one comes out

  • @77dris
    @77dris Місяць тому +59

    In macOS 15.1 you can now set it to default to install large applications (1GB+) on an external harddrive.

    • @jamit500
      @jamit500 Місяць тому +2

      Is there any delay doing this or issues? Will it update with iCloud? Thinking games like Wow on the external drive and wondering if there would be any lag

    • @EnglishMike
      @EnglishMike Місяць тому +14

      @@jamit500 I don't see why there would be any issues. If you buy a USB 4 (Thunderbolt 4) SSD enclosure (around $80) and stick a fast 1TB NVME drive in it (under $100) it should match the speed of the internal SSD in performance.

    • @bunjumun
      @bunjumun Місяць тому

      that's awesome

    • @timleahezra
      @timleahezra Місяць тому +1

      Great info, thanks!!! Makes me more tempted to get a base Mini. I guess Apple would rather direct people to buy an external elsewhere than charge a reasonable amount for storage.

    • @salz4life
      @salz4life Місяць тому +1

      So you think for basic use, the base would work with a solid external NVMe drive?

  • @RichardServello
    @RichardServello Місяць тому +14

    I have the base model with a 2TB NVMe plugged in via tb4 and it’s LEGIT AF!

    • @dragon2knight
      @dragon2knight Місяць тому +2

      Ditto. More than enough for far more than "basic" tasks...way off on that on here!

    • @EnglishMike
      @EnglishMike Місяць тому +3

      @@dragon2knight Yeah, I'm not paying $200 for an extra 256GB of storage when I can pay less for 1TB of equally fast external storage.

    • @guycortesi
      @guycortesi Місяць тому +3

      Same here - added a 2TB external to the base unit. Got a Western Digital 2TB WD Blue SN580 NVMe Internal Solid State Drive SSD and WAVLINK 40Gbps M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure - total $179 with tax from Amazon. Approx 3000MB/s R/W on the external drive, which is better than the internal storage. This Mac is incredible - fastest I’ve ever owned and probably the least expensive.

    • @paulhorn24
      @paulhorn24 Місяць тому +2

      @@guycortesi That can’t be said enough. Base M4 Mac mini with external storage is really really good and fast. All the Hate that Apple gets noted (and deserved), but this machine is a great value for money.

    • @naizondj
      @naizondj Місяць тому

      @@EnglishMike256gb is slower machine mate!

  • @wookiee4145
    @wookiee4145 Місяць тому +5

    Glad to see you prosper and grow, you look super healthy and the hair is fire asf, great job man and keep up the great content.

    • @GregsGadgets
      @GregsGadgets  Місяць тому

      Well that’s a pick me up lol. Thank you 🙏

  • @HiFiInsider
    @HiFiInsider Місяць тому +2

    i got the base mini using it with Pro XDR display. no issues. it’s fast

  • @FoxxFire
    @FoxxFire Місяць тому +2

    I guess I'm the only one with this question since no review has mentioned it that I've seen. It is inevitable that Apple will release a 27" 120hz 5k display or a 32" 120hz 6k display. Does a TB4 port on the regular Mac Mini have enough bandwidth to support such a display, or would a display of one of those resolutions and refresh rates require TB5?

    • @paulhorn24
      @paulhorn24 Місяць тому

      Very good question!

    • @paulwoodward8265
      @paulwoodward8265 Місяць тому +1

      you’ll need tb5 for 5k and 6k screens above 60hz. Which explains why Pro Display XDR is 60.

  • @Gold.Circle.
    @Gold.Circle. Місяць тому +6

    How are you finding it for video editing? the base model for editng?

    • @gain6786
      @gain6786 Місяць тому +1

      I edit on m2 with. 8 gigs. Im sure this new mac will be even. better :D

  • @kryptomac101
    @kryptomac101 Місяць тому

    Do you think the base model 16gb ram be able to smoothly handle 4k video editing and rendering when the the media are located in an external ssd?

  • @Sean3614
    @Sean3614 Місяць тому +21

    amazon is offering the M4 at $579.99 with a $30 coupon or the M4 pro 12 core cpu 16 core gpu $1369.99 with a $20 coupon It's been awhile since I had a mac and the mini looks to be everything I want for a all-round machine

    • @VVGRestoration
      @VVGRestoration Місяць тому +2

      I think I shall wait until Black Friday for a larger discount. It is only a couple of weeks away.

  • @henryvaldillez6785
    @henryvaldillez6785 Місяць тому +13

    I got my Crucial 2TB Drive at eBay for $120 and the drive works with both my Macpro & Microsolf PC

    • @username7763
      @username7763 Місяць тому

      How did you make it fit inside? Or is your computer separate pieces with wires in-between them?

    • @aaronfox5747
      @aaronfox5747 Місяць тому

      Thunderbolt!!!

  • @screamstation
    @screamstation Місяць тому

    Basic tasks can also be done on the M1. The question is, can you edit 4K ProRes video files at up to 400 Mbps bitrate and add effects in real-time without stuttering?

  • @Videoeditor-k7l
    @Videoeditor-k7l Місяць тому +13

    As a video editor , i have MacBook air m2 2023 model , i am selling my MacBook to buy mac mini m4 base version and this even got cheaper for me with educational discount ❤

    • @iXeo81
      @iXeo81 Місяць тому +1

      Have fun :)

    • @RichardServello
      @RichardServello Місяць тому +1

      @@Videoeditor-k7l You will be very impressed. Just make sure you get fast storage for footage. I have an OWC RAID for my main machine with 12TB of NVMe storage, but I also have a single storage external drive (also OWC) that goes the same speed since TB4 is capped well below what these drives can do-even a single. You can get a pocketable enclosure and 8TB of storage for less than Apple charges for 2TB.

  • @nicholasdipoalo2215
    @nicholasdipoalo2215 Місяць тому +1

    He mentioned upgrading to the $512GB SSD for apps. Will apps not download use to an external drive? Would they have to go to the internal SSD, or could they download on the external one?

  • @amill1563
    @amill1563 Місяць тому +67

    So get this one? No get the other one, no, get the other one.

    • @GregsGadgets
      @GregsGadgets  Місяць тому +9

      Yes

    • @k.vn.k
      @k.vn.k Місяць тому

      Get everything. I regretted i purchased the new iMac now. But i love their monitor, with mini i have to buy a good monitor again.

    • @amill1563
      @amill1563 Місяць тому +2

      @@k.vn.k Yeah Mini with a good monitor would be awesome!

    • @mrjoanferre
      @mrjoanferre Місяць тому +1

      I’m getting both

    • @Pifagorass
      @Pifagorass Місяць тому

      ​@@amill1563 checkout dark matter monitors - amazing value/price. The most important thing for me is the monitor ❤

  • @johnchang3807
    @johnchang3807 Місяць тому +5

    Just sharing to y'all ... Got the M4 few hours after officially released in oz on Friday and the M4 with 24ram successfully halved Autodesk Maya rendering of M1 with 16ram from 2 hours down to 58 minutes. The basic M4 mac mini is amazing as long as the ram is boosted. Ended up paying aud$1497 instead of over aud$2000 of the pro version . The only gripe is the fan spinning noise ..

    • @billphillips7830
      @billphillips7830 13 днів тому

      How bad is the fan noise. Thats a deal breaker for podcast type video creation.

  • @MikeLikesChannel
    @MikeLikesChannel Місяць тому +7

    As with cars, if you start spec’ing up the Mini, you might as well get a base Studio when it becomes an M4 Max or M5 Max next Spring.
    Once you’ve got 48GB of RAM and 1TB of storage? You’re very nearly at the Studio’s base price. But wait for the Studio to get an M4 chip.

    • @joelv4495
      @joelv4495 Місяць тому +2

      Or 10GbE which the studio comes with by default

    • @AverageAspie
      @AverageAspie Місяць тому

      I’d only go for a studio if they can shrink that down a bit like with the mini. It already takes up a lot of space

    • @MichaelGGarry
      @MichaelGGarry Місяць тому +3

      Yep, if the base M4 mini is good for you get it, if you want the Pro wait for the Studio which has always been better value than the Pro Mini.

    • @paulhorn24
      @paulhorn24 Місяць тому

      But as bad as Apples pricing policy is, isn’t there a risk that Apple will just ignore the Mac Studio for some time as they have done with the Mac Pro or the iMac Pro or the 27-inch iMac ? The last two are even ignored until today and not in the Leaks or pipeline anytime soon? I don’t want it, but I fear Apple just waits the Mac Studio until M5 System on a chip with maybe an Ultra option again, soldering two M5 Max together again.

    • @Inkling777
      @Inkling777 Місяць тому +1

      I agree about a base Studio often being a better deal than a loaded up Mac mini given what Apple charges for upgrades. In the days of M1 chips, I got my refurb M1 Studio (with more ports) for what I would have paid for a comparable mini.

  • @RaudiRaul
    @RaudiRaul Місяць тому

    Could you list the read/write speed you were getting on that thunderbolt 4 ssd please, Greg? Maybe also on thunderbolt 5 on the M4 Pro version if there’s a difference? I don’t know if it was UA-cam’s compression but I couldn’t make out the numbers on your black magic speed test. Thank you! 11:53

  • @NeeteshPathak
    @NeeteshPathak Місяць тому +1

    my recording devices are, 4k dslr n iphn 15 pro max
    please suggest is base model 16gb is enough for my 4 years need ?

  • @steven7488
    @steven7488 Місяць тому +2

    Should I wait for the Mac studio with M4 Max or Ultra next year to play Cyberpunk 2077 smoothly at 60fps on my studio display with 5k native resolution and path tracing?

    • @MrZocker92
      @MrZocker92 Місяць тому +2

      Why would someone buy a Mac for gaming? The M3 Max 40 Core GPU was not faster than a Laptop 4070 in Gaming Benchmarks! For 4k with Pathtracing even the Desktop RTX 4090 gets only around 20 FPS without DLSS. Buy a Gaming PC with a 5090 next year. Of Course u could still buy a Mac for stuf like Video Editing

    • @steven7488
      @steven7488 Місяць тому +1

      @@MrZocker92 20fps? Which game are you talking about? I'm talking about games like Cyberpunk 2077 coming to Mac next year

    • @steven7488
      @steven7488 Місяць тому

      @@MrZocker92 If M4 Ultra can catch up with the performance of RTX5090 next year, I'll definitely get a Mac studio instead of a PC

    • @MrZocker92
      @MrZocker92 Місяць тому +1

      @@steven7488 I also talk about Cyberpunk. Pathtracing is realy hard to render. And no the M4 Ultra will not catch a RTX 5090 at least not in games.

    • @steven7488
      @steven7488 Місяць тому

      @@MrZocker92 I'll probably get the M4 Pro Mac mini first and sell it for the Mac studio later if the M4 ultra is as good as the rumors

  • @alexanderberiom3660
    @alexanderberiom3660 Місяць тому +52

    I'm just waiting for them to make it flatter, with a portable battery, and a screen.

    • @ashishkulkarni2520
      @ashishkulkarni2520 Місяць тому +3

      😂 Underrated comment

    • @ifiwantyoutofeel
      @ifiwantyoutofeel Місяць тому

      I could literally take this with me and a portable charger 😂

    • @BodyMechaniX101
      @BodyMechaniX101 Місяць тому +5

      They already made that a long time ago. It’s called a MacBook!

    • @user-hl9jq8iz4i
      @user-hl9jq8iz4i Місяць тому

      Who would buy their MacBook then its not gonna happen

    • @JuanJacinto
      @JuanJacinto Місяць тому +10

      @@BodyMechaniX101 I don't think you got the irony

  • @lapcevics
    @lapcevics Місяць тому +6

    Thumbs up, you are among rare reviewers who said 120 gigaBITS.
    I usually switch off video when they say gigabytes

  • @gerryfix2589
    @gerryfix2589 Місяць тому

    I see that the power button is on the bottom. That seems to be quite awkward! Would there be a problem if the mini was placed on the desk in the upside down position?

  • @ZebaArmstrong
    @ZebaArmstrong Місяць тому

    I’m sure it’s a broken record at this point. But going to be on davinci resolve a lot for UA-cam videos and affinity trio for artwork.
    Still suggest base model? 😊

  • @alfredtolentino8614
    @alfredtolentino8614 Місяць тому

    Photoshop and Lightroom okay with the non-pro version?

  • @Maikelswe1985
    @Maikelswe1985 Місяць тому +4

    I just put togethter a 98003XD Gaming system, but I will get one of these Macs with M4 to replace my work desktop, I have NEVER owned an apple device before this is how impressed I am with the "basic" m4 mini.
    I work as a Network Engineer and this is without a doubt the most bang for your buck PC in history, and I will take this chance to get familiar with the Apple ecosystem in my line of work it makes good sense,

    • @Gurenn83
      @Gurenn83 Місяць тому

      To be honest, this is the only Apple device that is the best bang for your buck. All other of their devices are still overpriced especially when you decide to get upgrades. Oh and the absurd repair charges too.

  • @mytubeview
    @mytubeview Місяць тому +10

    Power efficiency of m4 is great, for my whole day normal office work, it used only 50w in total! My old PC used 1.3kw to 1.7kw normally!

    • @BenRichards7
      @BenRichards7 Місяць тому +1

      Watts is 'instantaneous power'. If you mean that in one working day, M4 mini absorbed 50 Watt-hours and the PC 1300 to 1700 W.h then that, although not totally unexpected, is astonishing.

  • @lamercussion
    @lamercussion Місяць тому

    If the M4 Storage is upgraded, is it going to be the same speed as the base M4 Pro?

  • @djnes2k7
    @djnes2k7 Місяць тому

    So my only question is. Can a m1 iMac be used as an external screen?

  • @flappingarms9335
    @flappingarms9335 Місяць тому

    I have a 2013 iMac and was thinking of buying the base model Mac Mini. So can I use my old iMac as a monitor for the Mac mini?

  • @BartomiejJabonski
    @BartomiejJabonski Місяць тому

    Do you have access to Mac Pro? Can you open it and check if new Mac Mini fits there ideally?I won't be surprised if this will be a future of Mac Pro. There was a rumor at some point, that Mac Pro's will have SoC expansions.

  • @d_o_m_o
    @d_o_m_o Місяць тому

    I would prefer a cube case for better cooling. I've seen some tests where temperatures are around 100°C (212°F), which is really not good. It causes throttling and shortens the lifespan of the hardware. I am disappointed about this. Can you confirm these temperatures on load?

  • @1234luf
    @1234luf Місяць тому +14

    Couple things to add. The Pro version has a net loss of a port as the M2 pro mac mini M2 had 4 thunderbolt 4 ports. The graphics is also roughly 75% faster, not 55% as stated (using math and your own metal graphs). This translate into even better real life performance as it literally doubled Tombraider and Resident Evil frame rates.

  • @hankstephens5543
    @hankstephens5543 Місяць тому +1

    Hi, Greg. Can you please test speeds running OS from external SSD. Thanks 🙏

    • @EnglishMike
      @EnglishMike Місяць тому

      You should never want to run the OS from an external SSD. Use that for your apps and data. With a USB 4 enclosure and a PCI gen 4 NVME SSD, you can match and possibly exceed the internal SSD write and read speeds.

    • @hankstephens5543
      @hankstephens5543 Місяць тому

      @@EnglishMike Sometimes it’s easier to do an external OS upgrade until 3rd parties catch up.

    • @GregsGadgets
      @GregsGadgets  Місяць тому +1

      I haven’t done it on this mini, but I used to run my entire macOS install off a thunderbolt drive years ago and it worked great

  • @VividTheater
    @VividTheater Місяць тому

    What’s a good monitor at a fair price with 120hz+ to pair with this?

  • @chaffytumusiimeali2806
    @chaffytumusiimeali2806 Місяць тому

    Wondering if it’s good for live-streaming for podcast?

  • @cjpops7628
    @cjpops7628 Місяць тому

    Would a m4 with 32gb ram be sufficient enough for a graphic designer / photographer/ retoucher? Coming from a i9 iMac with Vega.

  • @djnes2k7
    @djnes2k7 Місяць тому +2

    There are plenty tb4 external enclosures. And 2tb pci 4 nvme drives are around $150 for 990 pros and sn850s

  • @benko7ab
    @benko7ab Місяць тому +2

    Does anyone know if I buy one of these in the US whether it will work in Europe due to voltage differences?

    • @GPDF
      @GPDF Місяць тому +2

      @benko7ab - I hope this answers your question:
      You can find all that information on Apple's website.
      Line voltage: 100-240V AC
      Frequency: 50Hz to 60Hz, single phase
      Maximum continuous power: 155W
      Operating temperature: 50° to 95° F (10° to 35° C)
      Storage temperature: -40° to 116° F (-40° to 47° C)

    • @NirHason
      @NirHason Місяць тому +2

      It will work, you just need to have an adapter for the electric ⚡️ cable end from us to eu or just buy an EU cable only

    • @GPDF
      @GPDF Місяць тому

      @@NirHason - Nice tip. I forgot about that detail.

  • @Omegabird113
    @Omegabird113 Місяць тому +9

    After opening the video a 2nd time, after about a minute, I’m not getting access to the English audio track for some reason. It’s switching to French/german which I don’t speak. Weird. Good thing I did fully watch it before I started getting this issue.

    • @Kirix
      @Kirix Місяць тому +2

      same here

    • @AtomicSummer
      @AtomicSummer Місяць тому +3

      i have japanese ;D

    • @jn96762
      @jn96762 Місяць тому +1

      Getting Indonesian audio track for some reason. Maybe they accidentally removed the English track as they were adding others.

    • @SFDestiny
      @SFDestiny Місяць тому +2

      Good thing the English subtitles augment my rusty French! 😂
      English is back after a refresh. SO curious if this was the creator or UA-cam? 🤔😊

    • @Omegabird113
      @Omegabird113 Місяць тому +1

      @@jn96762 That would be my guess. I can pick between a bunch of other languages and “Spanish (United States”m but I don’t have an English option anymore.

  • @BrentSmithline
    @BrentSmithline Місяць тому +2

    Have owned Mac mini's in the past. Moved to a Apple MacBook Air M1 chip with 8‑core CPU, 7‑core GPU, 16‑core Neural Engine, 16GB unified memory, 2TB SSD storage attached to 27-inch 5K LG display for content consumption. Now have two displays I can use. Can use my MacBook remotely.
    As a normal more than likely, I'm not going to replace my current Mac for a number of years. When I do, I will do some looking around, however, I feel I still replace it with another MacBook.

    • @paulhorn24
      @paulhorn24 Місяць тому +1

      Yes. True. And for those who invested in an expensive keyboard, e.g. an ergonomic one or a split keyboard and/or expensive mouse or additional Trackpad etc. etc. the base Mac mini 2024 is an excellent choice to continue to use their external input devices again and for years to come. All those choices are great.

  • @steftrando
    @steftrando Місяць тому +8

    Subscribed purely because of how you don’t do constantly jump cuts and you don’t sounds like an annoying UA-cam voice. Plus the good content is a bonus

  • @TheHeadman
    @TheHeadman Місяць тому

    Thanks for the video … Do you know if you upgrade the SSD on the regular M4 base model to a 1 TB will the disc speeds increase or are all the SSD sizes slower on the base M4?

  • @AugustoLugo1983
    @AugustoLugo1983 Місяць тому +1

    I am considering dropping PC, and this little Mini has me salivating, a novice question, can you add an external storage and configure it to be the main storage /default option?? Tips are appreciated.

    • @dragon2knight
      @dragon2knight Місяць тому

      Yes you can, and should if you don't want to pay the Apple tax on upgrading the internal storage. You can run the OS on the 256GB internal, and everything else on an external Thunderbolt 4 enclosure with your choice of NVMe SSD (but make it at least a gen 4 for better performance).

    • @EnglishMike
      @EnglishMike Місяць тому

      Yes. You can buy an external NVME drive enclosure (make sure it's USB 4/Thunderbolt 4) and drop any NVME SSD you have in it, and you're all set. You should still keep the OS on the internal drive, of course. If you go for 1TB, the parts will cost you around $160-$180 -- less than half the cost of the 1TB upgrade, and much more flexible.
      If you buy a reasonably fast SSD, you won't notice the difference in speed.

    • @AugustoLugo1983
      @AugustoLugo1983 Місяць тому

      @@EnglishMike Thank you so much for your reply, I will use my computer for youtube, email, light stuff, not into downloading lots of apps, but I do love to take a million pictures :) Again, thank you.

  • @ChrisWilliams-vm1do
    @ChrisWilliams-vm1do Місяць тому

    What is a good budget monitor to pair with this? Something in the $400 - $500 range. I was thinking ultra wide screen, is that possible? Or something that matches a Mac native resolution? Should it be a 5K monitor?

    • @dan_hitchman007
      @dan_hitchman007 Місяць тому +1

      A 4k monitor is okay. Something like an LG Ultrafine.
      5k monitors are a bit pricey.

    • @ChrisWilliams-vm1do
      @ChrisWilliams-vm1do Місяць тому

      @ I need the Mac for mostly daily stuff. Also, light video/photo editing. The only reason I see to get the Mini over the iMac is so I can go with a wide or ultra wide screen. But then I’m reading posts with people saying the text is going to be fuzzy. I don’t want to spend over a thousand dollars just to have crisp text.

    • @dan_hitchman007
      @dan_hitchman007 Місяць тому +1

      @@ChrisWilliams-vm1do Video editing? You want the Mini M4 Pro at least, not the base Mini M4. You need the more robust GPU processing that starts with the Pro line.
      LG had their 27" 95% P3 Color, 4k HDR Ultrafine monitor on sale for $330. It's a solid mid range display.
      With the Apple way of processing video (unlike with a PC), the 4k resolution 32" and above sizes start looking fuzzier with text because the pixel density is becoming lower: the same resolution over more and more screen real estate.

  • @epicsynthwave
    @epicsynthwave Місяць тому +1

    How many P cores and E cores in each base model?

    • @NirHason
      @NirHason Місяць тому +1

      m4: 4 P/ 6E
      m4 pro: 8 P/ 4E

  • @KeremKrm-p3u
    @KeremKrm-p3u 23 дні тому

    Is it upgrading from m2 Mac mini 8/256 to M4 16/256?

  • @timothysamuel5700
    @timothysamuel5700 Місяць тому

    I'm planning to get the M4 Mac mini (512 GB) version. My main usecase is for Web designing and development (Figma, VS Code, Photoshop and some general 3D modelling stuff). I've been an all time PC user. Do ya'll think I'll be able to manage this workload with the M4 chip?

  • @JayzBeerz
    @JayzBeerz Місяць тому +8

    It's $499.99 with the Education pricing.

    • @heathfagan2149
      @heathfagan2149 29 днів тому

      And if you have an older one to trade you can get it even cheaper. I got an estimate from apple using ed discount and trade in of my m1 Mac mini… price is down to $270

  • @Carlos_Lenz
    @Carlos_Lenz Місяць тому +11

    Honestly if the M4 is enough for someone today I’d say buy the M4 now and an M8 in 4 years and you’d be paying less than an M4 pro now. 😅

    • @paulhorn24
      @paulhorn24 Місяць тому +1

      Very good idea for all those, for whom a base model is more than powerful enough!

    • @iXeo81
      @iXeo81 Місяць тому +1

      I did. But i then would upgrade in 7 years again. if I need a new mac for XCode. Maybe Apple also supports macOS main versions updates longer on Apple Silicon devices as 7 years. We will see.

  • @MichaelBrashier
    @MichaelBrashier Місяць тому

    Is it faster than my 2018 intel based Mac mini?

  • @TC_Conner
    @TC_Conner Місяць тому

    What monitor would you recommend to use with the new M4 Mac Mini?

  • @monkeystation
    @monkeystation Місяць тому

    How about the disk speed of the M4 Pro model? Did they use more chips to double the speed?

    • @EnglishMike
      @EnglishMike Місяць тому

      It is significantly faster, and he does in the video say they use four NAND chips instead of two, but unless you know you need that extra speed for a specific use case that can take advantage of it, buying the Pro for the extra SSD speed is a waste of money. If you're using the computer for general computing tasks -- the base Mac Mini is already way faster than you need.

  • @fredkawabata2306
    @fredkawabata2306 Місяць тому +1

    You did not mention memory size. Storage is easy to add but memory size must be selected at time of purchase

  • @technicaldrawingsupportwat5165
    @technicaldrawingsupportwat5165 Місяць тому

    Will this connect to the older 2011 Thunderbolt apple 27" screen?

  • @sharonb.9128
    @sharonb.9128 Місяць тому +3

    Great comparison and highlighting the useful differences. Also, I want to congratulate you on your weight loss and improved physical fitness. Keep up the good work both personally and professionally.

  • @clicks59
    @clicks59 Місяць тому

    Great review. Your segment regarding internal storage hit the nail on the head. Thanks

  • @thezappa7373
    @thezappa7373 Місяць тому +9

    Skip to @2:45 to get the point.

  • @denebaguirre3597
    @denebaguirre3597 Місяць тому +1

    Does a M4 would work for a content creator who's videos are more like just talking and adding some images or illustrative videos?

  • @weirdios9268
    @weirdios9268 Місяць тому

    I got a macbook pro m1 chip 16 GB and 512 SSD for 900 dollars. It has a good performance and speed with only 16 battery cycles. Is it a good deal in 2024?

  • @arexpressionsphoto
    @arexpressionsphoto Місяць тому

    How do I connect this to my iMac which I’ll use as a monitor?

  • @sallerc
    @sallerc Місяць тому

    The graph at 7:07 doesn't look right, the green bar should be shorter to visualize the difference of the numbers,

  • @stephane5918
    @stephane5918 Місяць тому

    great video thank you
    if you have the chance can you test the games War Thunder finally can you tell me which gaming monitor (27". hertz???) do you suggest for the mac mini, thank you

  • @HAPPY_DECAY
    @HAPPY_DECAY Місяць тому

    With gaming what hand console is in this review?

  • @deinvater1669
    @deinvater1669 Місяць тому +1

    Thanks a lot for the comparison!
    Does anyone know if the standard Thunderbolt 4 Port will power a 165hz 3440x1440 Ultra Wide Wqhd Monitor?
    Or do you need the thunderbolt 5 for it?
    And I am really impressed from the gaming performance; I’m a student and would love to get the base model m4 in addition to my iPad Pro to do multitasking workloads faster and I’d love to game on it too.
    Sadly, you cannot get the standard m4 with more GPU cores; 1000€ more just that it runs 50% better in gaming wouldn’t be a good idea😆

    • @fredrikmardenfalkhoppe494
      @fredrikmardenfalkhoppe494 Місяць тому +1

      Yes, it should not be a problem to power that monitor. I even run a 3840x2160@144Hz on my ”old” Mac Studio M1 Max and my Macbook Pro M1 Pro (14”). So a new M4 should not have any problem with the much smaller 3440x1440 monitor even if it has 165Hz.

    • @deinvater1669
      @deinvater1669 Місяць тому

      @@fredrikmardenfalkhoppe494oh ok, thanks a lot 🙏🏻

  • @m.hreels9822
    @m.hreels9822 Місяць тому

    Thank you for your honest review! ❤ You're always genuine, very much appreciated! I noticed people were reviewing the pro version and not the original version.

  • @Larry77777
    @Larry77777 Місяць тому

    Hey Greg: I especially liked your desktop logic/advice regarding storage: get 512 internal (use external for more). Whereas, on my MacBook Air laptop I painfully paid the Apple tax to get 2TB internal to "permanently" avoid the impracticalities of continuously carrying around external.

  • @firstandlastname2090
    @firstandlastname2090 Місяць тому

    I bought a Minisforum UM790 barebones, 6 mos ago. Would live to see a head2head benchmark+game comparison of macmini4 base model against the UM790, or ANY equally PRICED (not necessarily spec'd) mini PC

  • @Kloverkill
    @Kloverkill Місяць тому +4

    A proper and excellent review, with actual metrics and analysis. So many "reviews" out there are just infomercials now, thanks for the great content!

  • @trayoibry8246
    @trayoibry8246 Місяць тому

    could you please compare the fan noise. I would like to make music with an M4 Pro but the small size and the fan is holding me back from buying it im afraid it could be audible...maybe a test with 20-30 virtual instruemnts and the CPU LOAD + FAN Noise if you have time with it

  • @creemail
    @creemail Місяць тому +1

    What is cool is that the M5 will provide the same performance as the M4 Pro if a 2025 launch takes place. Thunderbolt 5 may stay exclusive to M-Pro Series chips and higher. Outstanding review!

  • @Technically_Techy
    @Technically_Techy Місяць тому

    You should compare m1 vs m4 Mac minis. My main thing for upgrading is for obs streaming/recording tho which no one seems to cover.

  • @thomask1424
    @thomask1424 Місяць тому

    What is that black box on your desk? It looks like a SFF Windows PC.

  • @exactspace
    @exactspace Місяць тому

    I'm eyeballing the new Mac Mini's but the lack of storage space on the base model is baffling. Using an external drive would be no problem for me, except that a lot of applications require that you install and run it on the system drive. It doesn't take long to fill what you have left on that drive with applications.

  • @essetee
    @essetee Місяць тому

    how many times more to show the old mac mini vs the new design?

  • @netherfred
    @netherfred Місяць тому +1

    That Sandisk 4TB ssd costs 750 euros here, so it's actually more expensive than the mini base model. Mind you, upgrading the base model to 2TB costs 920 euros here...

  • @MichaelGGarry
    @MichaelGGarry Місяць тому

    The GPU in the M4 base model is in the same ballpark as a GTX 1650, or a Radeon RX 6500M/580. Thats not at all bad for an APU and powerful enough for most games *if* the library was there.
    Build it and they will come?

  • @ryderlackdaniels
    @ryderlackdaniels Місяць тому

    Great review. Is the $200 20-core GPU worth it from a game performance perspective over the M4 16-core?

    • @EnglishMike
      @EnglishMike Місяць тому

      No. For gaming you'd be much better spending $1300 on a fully specced out PC and putting the extra $200 toward upgrading your Nvidia GPU. The performance in gaming will far outstrip what the maxed out Minu can do, and of course, you'll have many times more games to choose from.

  • @zorch7372
    @zorch7372 Місяць тому

    Really interesting video. I am going to buy the M4 Pro mini and wondered whether to pay $200 more for the 14 core. It appears the 12 core is good enough and may even quieter.

  • @mase202
    @mase202 Місяць тому

    can one download apps on the external drive?

  • @fatgrouch
    @fatgrouch Місяць тому

    Instant subscribe after watching this video, nice work !!!
    I'm sure some people are designing a dock for this Mac Mini design. For a fast SD card slot or even CFexpress will be cool !

  • @dragogx9677
    @dragogx9677 Місяць тому

    M4 base model can run 3 monitors 2k at 144hz ? I going to use only for work. I prefer minimum 120hz because all my devices works at 120hz so i feel strange when i see 60 hz monitor hehe

  • @Painsoreal
    @Painsoreal Місяць тому +1

    That is exactly what I am thinking about. We need a $599 review

  • @hiraksarma3068
    @hiraksarma3068 Місяць тому

    For some reason no English audio in my TV and Chromcast, but laptop work fine,

  • @inpurgatory
    @inpurgatory Місяць тому +1

    Not missing the USB type A ports at all, running 2x displayport over usb-C monitors, each has a USB hun with 4 ports each so no shortage of USB :D

  • @Studeep
    @Studeep Місяць тому +3

    Bruh imagine what the M10 could be capable of.. in 4 iterations Apple has moved the needle ridiculously far.. Exciting times!

  • @deanopatoni
    @deanopatoni Місяць тому +1

    I never regretted just getting the base build on the M2 a year ago, ignoring the temptation then to go for the Pro model. Now, a year later, I am getting the equivalent, but better, at a £100 cheaper price. Win-win!
    Come on #400000

  • @adammagistri
    @adammagistri Місяць тому

    I’ve got four kids and want to get one for each. Would it run Roblox and Fortnite cleanly as well as typical hw functionality?

  • @MeditationMindless
    @MeditationMindless Місяць тому

    Can i watch dolby surround and dts movies through mu amplifier?

  • @juddrizzo
    @juddrizzo Місяць тому +4

    I just realized… This was their big chance to upgrade the base mini to 16 gigs of ram And a 512 hard drive and sell it for $700 bucks.
    That would’ve been Able them to raise the price of the base a little bit and give everybody what they wanted at the same time.
    Nobody would’ve had anything to complain about, and they would’ve sold zillions of them.
    I’m sure they understand all of this more than I do though.
    Because… They got me to do what they’re trying to get a lot of people to do which is just go for the M4 Pro at $1400!
    Once I looked at the fact that yes, you have more ram and more hard drive and that’s great. It was hard to avoid making the decision.
    However, the really hard thing to avoid. Is that that RAM is it a much much faster speed. (273 rather than 120!!!) And the hard drive goes from 2 chips to 4. Which means the hard drive read/write speeds should be way, Way, Way faster, as well.
    The older base model M2 hard drive space was on 1 chip and the M2 Pro was on 2 chips. So, ….. any of these machines should be really really impressive compared to what came before.

    • @naizondj
      @naizondj Місяць тому

      So you recommend to go for the pro?

    • @iXeo81
      @iXeo81 Місяць тому

      Always think about if you really need this Pro performance. For my workflows I'm already fine with a MBA. And the M4 Mac mini has the CPU power of the M3 Pro. So it's already overpowered for most people. But of course, if you need more RAM and storage...

  • @SandanuwanDhanushka
    @SandanuwanDhanushka Місяць тому

    The best comparison in UA-cam ❤