JoJo’s Cosmology Explained (Multiverse & Beyond)
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- Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
- It all makes sense now...
Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:49 Pillar Men/Rock Humans
2:28 Vampires
2:45 Hamon/The Spin
3:50 Ultimate Lifeform
4:21 Stands & Their Concepts
6:23 "Gods"
7:19 Purgatory
7:47 Alternate Dimensions/Worlds
9:17 Fate/Flow
14:40 Gravity
17:13 Society/Reality
19:05 Yin Yang Duality
23:11 Logic/Curses (Big Reveal)
27:26 God/Heaven/Miracles/The Illogical
28:54 5D JoJo!?
35:09 Conclusions/tldr
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• JoJolion - Wall Eyes (...
• Do You Believe In Grav...
• Tusk ACT 4 - Steel Bal...
• (OLD) JoJo's Bizarre A...
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I blew all your minds, don’t lie to me 😈
One question where do wou scale to...
Multiversal +
Oh ok another question is can a requiem stand become outerversal...
No, unless Araki brings back the requiem arrow for part 9, and he makes a requiem stand more broken than GER, that also fit Outerversal qualifications
I think maybe a requiem stand can become outerversal because we don't know the true extents of a requiem arrow or a requiem stand...
Remember kids:
Kars->stone mask->DIO->immortal DIO->Heaven plan->Sports Maxx->Green baby->C-Moon->Made in Heaven=universe destruction
An unknown man in Cape York Greenland->perfect arrow->Diavolo->DIO->The World->Pucci->White Snake->C-Moon->Made in Heaven=universe destruction
So that would mean: Kars + An unknown man in Cape York Greenland = universe destruction
Cool math... games
jobber is my son
Why
Dope. The thought at the end that Araki will scale even above this in Part 9 is very exciting.
We all eagerly await JOJOLANDS 😤
I really hope Araki stops making overpowered stands in Part 9 and go back to simple and versatile stands like Stone Free or Sticky Fingers that uses creativity more than raw power.
@@anonymous3012I agree, It’s more interesting to see characters come up with creative and interesting ways to beat their enemies than just whipping out their super OP stand based off of some general OP concept. Like seeing a fight with Golden Experience Requiem wouldn’t be interesting because once they attempted to even touch Giorno they’d be setenced to eternal death, although it’s true Jolyne’s power isn’t that good compared to some of the other jojos things like turning herself into a mobius strip were honestly more impressive to see because it showed her wit. But stands with general OP concepts were even more disappointing with villains because it wouldn’t really make sense for them to lose until at the last minute the protaginist randomly has some power up.
@@anonymous3012 lmfao no let Araki do whatever he wants and he can make a Broken and Overpowered stands he wants
@@anonymous3012 well atleast those op stands had actual progression before getting them, for example Jotaro discovering he could stop time since his stand was basically Dio's, Giorno using Requiem because he was a good person until the very end, Johnny using Tusk Act 4 after mastering the spin and Gappy after learning S&W's true potential...
It's better than to come out of nowhere.
wow, the scaling of this is honestly crazier than i expected
that aside, this helps put into perspective how amazing and symbolic the writing of jojo is, especially when you see connections relating to fate and destiny recurring throughout every part
Probably the best Jojo vid on the platform to date! Still don’t buy GER being flat out above every stand pre WoY and SaW:GB, but seriously no video I’ve seen has gone this in depth on Jojo lore. Big ups, my guy✨
WoU* /j anyways I agree.
Out of curiosity, what Stands do you think exist with or above GER?
@@machina5 given how little was shown of GER, if I’m being honest; off the top of my head I’d say any of the ‘final battle’ stands of parts after pt5. So StarP, MiH, (*maybe* Weather Report), Tusk4, D4CLT, possibly Ball Breaker, WOU, & SaWGB. Again, just off the top of my head
@@thatguy779 all of those have no counter to RTZ
@@somerandomdude827 as far as we know
So Jonny, a man who has one of the most broken fucking stands of all time, died because of fate... Man I wanted to see more of tusk
I've been looking for a video to explain the JoJo cosmology for a while now and now I have you.
Oh my DIO, it is much more than I expected or wanted! Great vid)
I'm new here, really love your content and i'll be sticking around for, I've read a couple manga and i can tell you did the research, you need a little polish but i'll stick around cuz you are doing something really special, so happy to be here
I like how even since chapter 34 of Jojolion the concept of flow was present and defined, just instead of being the flow of calamity it is the flow of business, proving that norisuke >= wonder of u
The ending is a joke if you couldn't see
This cleared up a lot and helped me understand Jojo’s more
Yo, right on! I definitely enjoyed watching this video as a whole.
You gave JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Justice all around in this video, that's for sure.
Thanks Man! 💪🏾
I think this was a really good video. Including the talk we had last night, I haven't really found an internal contradiction with the video. Not much else to say other than the video is both valid and sound.
thx man, i’m really glad you enjoyed it, I can’t wait to learn more from you as a scaler, we had an awesome talk!
@@JobberGodot indeed.
Lets see if this makes hol horse solo less hard
I casually read this and spit out my drink 😂
🤣🤣🤣
part 9 main jojo vs god confirmed???
👀👀👀👀
I always found the way jojo's used the concept of fate to be really intresting as in so much of fiction you almost never see the fate set in stone type of idea instead its always about a character trying and succeeding in changing there fate but jojo's made fate set in stone however abilities are able to interact with the stone fate is set in giving them really unique powers like bites the dust its really neat
14:18 based moment
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Didn't Johnny sacrificed himself to save his son? He even said before the exchange: "George Joestar, I'm glad I was able to meet you... that is... enough for me". And, I don't know about you, but that sounded like a farewell, knowing that he won't see his son again, to me. If Johnny's goal was simply to destroy the course and save his son, there would be no reason for him to say those things.
I just noticed that cursed kars novel and jojo part 8 both have the same meaning for beyond.
33:28 "it (Go Beyond) goes beyond infinity both illogically and literally as the bubbles spin infinitely until it reaches zero. And infinity is logical in jojo, which S&W:GB transcends " I think you are wrong here. The Go Beyond bubbles are not illogical because "the bubbles spin infinitely until it reaches zero." The bubbles are illogical because their lines, which they are made of, get so infinitely thin, of how fast the lines are spinning, that the bubbles "disappear" existing only as spin. "Explosive Spin" to be more specific, but the spin alone is enough to surpass logic.
I’m not really wrong, the lines get infinitely thin because the bubbles spin infinitely until they reach zero, the thin lines are normal until spinned. There’s two Go Beyond Bubbles, one that’s being spinned, the other that’s completely spinned infinitely to zero transcending logic as spin. I honestly think we both agree from what I’ve read of your comment, we just had a little misunderstanding imo
@@JobberGodot I might be wrong, but I haven't found where it says that the bubbles spin infinitely until they reach zero. What I have read in the jojowiki and interpreted in the manga is that the the Go Beyond bubbles spin faster than the normal soap bubbles, making their already thin lines even thinner. I think that what the manga is referring to by saying "zero" are the thinness of the lines, and not that it turned infinity to zero.
I might be wrong too, but from what I’ve read, the GB soap bubbles are made up of lines spinning at high speeds, and because of it being made of lines and it spinning at high speeds, they eventually become infinitely thin because of the spin which arcs back to them spinning at high speeds, infinitely until becoming zero
@@JobberGodot I'm pretty sure it says in the manga that Go Beyond is "infinitely close to zero"(said by Rai) and not that it becomes zero(infinitely close to zero≠zero),GER being the only Stand that has anything to do with "zero"(profile of GER and Jojo a Gogo)
and I doubt that Go Beyond is illogical, because first of all, it is never said that Go Beyond is illogical but that it is capable of overcoming all logic because it "does not exist in this world", it is not because a concept can cancel out another concept that it means that it is its opposite (it is not because a stone can extinguish a fire that it is water)
and secondly, it is explained by Rai that Go Beyond has to do with spin, and spin is not illogical as far as I know
i’m gonna be honest with you real quick, everything you’ve just said is completely wrong, and I don’t feel like texting you why, but I’ll tell you in a discord vc, which my discord server is linked in my description
Hey do you still think you will do the video I recommended? BTW if you don't remember it was What if Ceaser was in part 3 and What if Kakyoin was in part 4 and 5 or 6 as he would die in which ever part he appears in between 5 and 6. So are you still gonna do them as they were not on the Patron thing?
Personally i’m willing to do a what if on if Kakyoin was in part 5 and 6, cause the others have already been done pretty good by other people. But it will probably a ton of months before I get to this what if tbh, you can still request this via Cashapp, I’ll do it for $30 like the other What If’s and I’ll get to it now
@@JobberGodot How strong is the trinity from the novels? Are they omnipotent?
fire as fuck dude.
Question.
Where do you think Made in Heaven scales?
I have been curious about it...
I’ll make a video on him soon but for speed he has infinite to immeasurable speed
@@JobberGodot And how he achieve the immeasurable speed ?
@@NayWiz Pucci stated that He can go Faster than Infinite sped Meaning he does have Immeasurable speed when You can see The Stone Ocean already and Pucci Speed can be scale much Higher
@@Th3Indr4_. We can debate about that on discord if you want.
@@Th3Indr4_. For me, he is not immeasurable speed.
GER is fucking awesome
Basically, Jojo’s negs most Shounen
Would you add the novel cosmology and eyes of heaven cosmology?
All the Stand Arrows are the same, the requiem arrow is a misconception; To put it simply, if someone has a strong enough resolve and want it really REALLY bad, the arrows will physically be attracted toward the person with the strongest willpower and endow then with an alternative stand ability that suits their exact needs and is almost unstoppable. This is what happened to Jean Pierre, Yoshikage and Giorno.
Already checked out lumos before and his content is pretty cool!(figured him out via yfv/splash at the time.) Time to check out both this and the dc video!
So is spin really multi+ ?
yes
@@JobberGodot ok,thats op
It is not Multi+
@@NayWiz it is lmao is transcends the infinite jojo multiverse
Where would DIO Over Heaven be?
Is he in the same level as WOU? We saw him neg both GER and TA4 so maybe he is…
I honestly dunno, never touched non canon JoJo yet
@@JobberGodot pls touch novel kars and ha dio ( and the higher dimensional metaphysical god know as beyond). They are also extremely big jojo powerhouses
29:04 well it do make sense illogical = Heaven [5D]
Or
Illogical [5D] < Heaven [6D]
Quite depends on your llogical scaling however this would have been Canon just because Eyes of heaven is Non canon itself Still count as scaling
@@Th3Indr4_. The world of Jojo's is only in 4D, there are not 5D or plus I think
@@NayWiz Wrong and Incorrect Have watching the Full Video of Analysis and Go Conclusion/Td:LR with the scan Proof that show 5 Dimensional Beings aka Illogical Meaning They are 5D Including Soft and Wet:Go Beyond And Wonder of U Both stand are Multiversal or High Multiversal+ level and Miracle/God/Heavens is 6D already
The change from Pillar Men and Vampires over to Rock Humans is one of the thigns that killed any interest in Part 7 for me when I reqalized it had no connection to previous parts and that it it didn't have any vampires.
Now all we need to do is where does DIO over heaven compare
He already said over heaven is above the cosmology, so automatically 6D
So were do Eyes of Heaven, The World Over Heaven and Star Platinum Over Heaven go?
Star Platinum/The World Over Haven's is Low Complex Multiversal Including the Conclusion/TD:LR Show Proof Scan statement of Jojo Cosmology say that Heavens is 6D meaning it's Low Complex Multiversal Level
You didn't count the light novel of Jojo and if you did we have a 20D scale bc of ultimate dio and Tsukumojuku Kato
I'm confused on what you meant by universal+ range, can you maybe elaborate or something? I'm trying to prove diavolo time erase is universal but I cant
@Amanda Poole yeah but don't they distort time? And what about the dio car chase when dio had to get closer to timestop?
@Amanda Poole yh but I'm still confused, is time erase universal?
@Amanda Poole yh but isnt that an assumption? How on a uni scale? Feats? And he distorts time- space
@Amanda Poole time AND SPACE?
@Amanda Poole ohh ok. But what abt the uni range shit
Imagine Jojo part 9 is the continued OG Universe in the scenario that Giorno RTZ'ed the Universe Reset but did not erase the newly created/reseted timeline, therefore having two parallel yet still quite different universes
That’d be interesting!
Who u got anos vs wou and swgb
dunno who anos is unfortunately
@@JobberGodot zamn wou vs geand zeno
@@JobberGodot if not that then funny valentine vs ywach bach and/or aizen
are you saying WoU vs Zeno from Dragon Ball?
@@JobberGodot yes
So is Ger 6D?
no
@@JobberGodot 5D?
nope, he’s multi + (high 4D)
@@JobberGodot How GER achieve this scale for you ?
GER is Completely 5D at best by Transcending King Crimson Time [Space] Erase When GER stated to be above all stand by meaning that it's Transcending All Stand He can Transcending Concept of Fate Reality and "Dimensions" Even more So this Means that GER has already did transcending to Space and Time unbound by Time
How can Jotaro, Jolyne, and JHohnny all be "base"? THat's not possible. Either Jotaro and Jolyn come formt hebase reality or Johnny does.
Which is Why Jojo Stomp Dragon ball Super
No they don't
@@monad1045 ok how? If there only 5D that's not gonna cut it
@@monad1045 ok so You're a certain it has a lower cosmology, When we do know that not only is the mortar realm stated to be a hyperspace on Many occasions, But it can contain also super spaces, which in nature are innately 5D, then we have super dimensions on top of that which are innately higher dimensional than the last, so 6D, then we have other world which is just they need to be dimensionally transcendent of the lower realm or to be a higher dimension many times so 7D, and I could continue but you can already see where this is going
If youre implying db is 7D youre wrong
At max
Db is 4d to low 5d@MrCraftyScales
@@user-pz6qz9xr1l😂😂😂😂😂😂 Nice Joke but Not Funny 🤣 🤣
First Go and read Dragon Ball Cosmology and Guide Books and Guide Books are recommended by Akira Toriyama himself.
Dr. Slump Cannon to Dragon Ball therefore When A New Baby born In Dragon Ball He or She gonna be Outerversal and his or her tier gonna be 1-A. Outerversal and 1-A .and still they unable destroy a Moon or Natural Satelite on thier own(means Dragon Ball Cosmology is beyond our Imagination) and only few can destroy a Macrocosm(means a Universe from Dragon Ball) like Goku,Vegeta,Gohan,Piccolo,Frieza,may be Arale, may be Those two Bird Girls(those who always travels with Arale sorry I forgot their name's), may be that Psychic Child from Penguin Village,Jiren,Toppo,Moro,Majin Buu, Broly,Granolah,Gas,Android 17 and Android 18 and more who can destroy a Macrocosm In Dragon Ball called beyond Boundless with Immeasurable Speed and their tier is 0. This means Dragon Ball Cosmology is beyond Boundless with Infinity Layers and still Zeno destroy it like it's nothing and also I forgot to mention now Xenovers 2, Dragon Ball GT and CC Goku are Cannon.
Let's forget about Dr. Slump,Dragon Ball GT,Xenovers 2 and Super Dragon Ball Heros Cannon to Dragon Ball for a second.
Note:- This is a Low-Ball Comparison of Universe 7 Macrocosm's not High-Ball comparison of Universe 7 Macrocosm's.
He transcends Time Battle with Hit. Means he is 10D to 11D.
He have Power Of Destructions(Hakai).
Let's see How strong was Battle of God's
Base Goku.
Goku and Beerus clash Fists and Elder Kai said that they could destroy the entirety of Universe 7. Which would be the Macrocosm.
Let's scale the Macrocosm.
Let's start with the bottom half the living universe is stated to be Infinity in size
and Demon Realm said to be parallel world to it making it infinity as well this would make bottom half or living world low Multiversal and a fourth dimensional
space and where exist Infinity number of dimensions with Infinity Size like Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
Now the top half of the other world and where exist Infinity number of dimensions with Infinity Size like Hyperbolic Time Chamber. Haven is objectively dimensionally transcendental of the living world it's said to be that and it's said it looks down on the lower half of Macrocosm this would make it Fifth dimensional then there's the Kaio Realms the Kaio Realms contains Haven along with several other constructs and to be bigger than infinity fifth dimensional construct is to be Sixth Dimensional then there's the rest of the afterlife which is all relatively same size as the Kaio Realms one being hell and those are the same size means those are infinities in size.
Now there's Kaioshin Realms not to confused with Kaio Realms remember how I said that heaven looks down on the living world while the Kaioshin Realms is said to be looks down on the entire Six-Dimensional Macrocosm in the same way this means Kaioshin Realms is 7th Dimensional.
Universal Bubble contains these 7th Dimensions that makes it 8th to 9th Dimensional.
- stated by Akira Toriyama,
Toyotaro and others.
This means Base Goku(because Goku was absorbed Super Saiyan God into his base and Later In Manga)was 9th to 10th Dimensional or High Complex Multiversal with Irrelevant Speed and 1-C with Ki Control and now means current Goku is In his base He is Decillions times Stronger than before.
Graet Ape is 10 times Stronger.
Super Saiyan is Immeasurable and transcend Math Notes:- Math>Tiering System that means Goku in Super Saiyan is above Boundless.
Super Saiyan 2 is Immeasurable×2.
Super Saiyan 3 is Immeasurable×2×4.
Super Saiyan 4 is Immeasurable×2×4×10.
Super Saiyan God is Immeasurable×Immeasurable.
Super Saiyan Blue is Immeasurable×Immeasurable×Immeasurable.
Ultra Instinct is Immeasurable.
This means Current Base Goku is Hyperversal or Hyperversal+ with Irrelevant Speed and Goku In Super Saiyan is above Boundless.
Note:- This is Low-Ball Comparison.
In High-Ball comparison Base Goku(Battle Of Gods) was Outerversal to High Outerversal with Irrelevant Speed means his tier High 1-A and In Super Saiyan above Boundless.
Goku one shot by Black Frieza.
Black Frieza One Shot by Lord Beerus.
Lord Beerus One Shot by Whis.
Whis One Shot by Grand Priests and Zeno.
Grand Priest and Zeno one shot by Zalama may be.
Zalama One Shot by Tori-Bot.
Note:- 3 Red Giant Stars or 3 Red Dwarf Stars revolves around Old Planet Namek not Planet Namek revolves around them. They revolves around Old Planet Namek like Natural Satellites.
Dragon Ball Earth is way bigger than Planet Namek.
Planet Vegeta is 10 times bigger than Our Earth and 2 Stars(Yellow Dwarfs like Our Sun) and 2 Moons revolves around it.
I already given you proof how strong Goku really is. If you don't believe me that means You are Dragon Ball and Goku's hater
and you don't want to believe truth.
Imagine if Professor Jotaro ever sent an email twice to a student because King Crimson all the way in Italy made him forget he wrote a very fast email.
Bruh looked up Fandom.
Soooooo wou negs ger?
yes, no diff
@@JobberGodot Oh hell yeah
WOU is not the concept of logic, it's the concept of calamities, who act in logic. Those are two different things, because "logic" is a very general category.
He is Lol it was stated Multiple times in Manga Jojolion and Stated By Araki as that
However Wonder of U True Form Aka illogical [Multi+] turn out is actually Concept of Logic iirc for that which is fair enough to be true after all Im Not going Explained this again im not more mained to WoU as such fan since im more main to GER [ As Debating like He beats Goku Rimuru while anothers aswell ]
@@Th3Indr4_. I like GER more too
No lmao WOU is calamity and calamity is logic
@@somerandomdude827 are you stupid? Calamity is not logic, calamity is BOUND to logic. It even said so in the manga. I guess someone didn't pay much attention on what the head doctor was saying. Calamity and logic are bound together with a string. That's what wou said. You will get calamity only when you act, and that's sth logical. That was the ENTIRE EMPHASIS of the wou arc. Calamity is the result of an action. Josuke getting up from the chair is an action, that will lead to calamity. "Calamity was bound to happen by the time you got up from that chair Josuke". That's what wou said. Please, next time, before spitting bullshit do some research first