For Vanilla Ice: George II's new wife oc: Penelope de la Rosa Penelope is a slim woman of average height with youthful facial features. She has short wavy light hair kept up to her neck with side swept bangs. Her hair appears to grow longer when she uses Hamon or is in distress. She wears a striped sundress and George says that she would sometimes also wear a light shawl over her shoulders. According to George, she is quite beautiful. Penelope has a worrisome, insecure attitude and is emotionally unstable. She initially has an extreme pathological fear of clowns. She is also quite cocky sometimes in battle. You might recognize her from my fan made George II Part cast "Valiant AceFighter", I chose her cause I believe she and George II would have a relationship similar to Bulma and Goku from Dragon Ball where it's possible they could have ended up together.
Plus with her having hamon, would she play a role in Battle Tendency, and IYO, would she survive or die in 2, and if she does live what role could she potentially play in a part like 3 or 4 or 5 or 6? Just curious BTW.
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 Haven't really thought about it a lot, maybe she dies in Part 2 or Part 3. I don't know if she would make it longer imo.
I think Messina is able to get involved in Stardust Crusaders if Caesar is alive for Part 3, if Caesar isn’t alive for example “The Stroheim What If” then Messina is likely not to be involved in Stardust Crusaders. Also I’ve seen the fan fiction you sent me, but I haven’t got time to read it yet.
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 Alright imo: Part 1: Jonathan defeats Dio but like a combo he did during their first fight in the Mansion but with Hamon this time, other than that I agree that Jonathan lives with Erina and that Lisa Lisa is not gonna be here. Part 2: I feel like George II would learn Hamon from Jonathan and he would kill that Vampire Commander or whatever that thing was. I assume Joseph can still be created by George II and his new wife. And the part kinda goes the same but Joseph is somewhat more nice than he was in the og timeline, I don’t see Loggins being saved if Esidisi is around but another change would be that Jonathan and George II would help Caesar fight Wamuu which they defeat him together. Then they got Kars to fight, I think Jonathan or George II would take Lisa Lisa’s spot with the rope while the other helps Caesar and Stroheim fight the vampires, but I still see the part ending the same way but George II, Jonathan, and Caesar are around. Part 2.5: I feel like Holly would still be around since Suzi Q would still be in the story since I believe Loggins and Messina might’ve known her personally but without Suzi Q or Joseph, Holly would not exist. But I assume Joseph and Suzi Q still get married and have Holly which she would still marry Sadao, and Caesar would get married and your ocs are created. Part 3: As I mentioned in my comment I believe Messina can get involved since Caesar is around. I do not know how the Joestars get their stands but I assume they do somehow. I see the OG crusaders and your ocs being involved, but I also see Jonathan, George II, Caesar, and Messina getting involved (Stroheim dies sadly) Avdol would still get knocked out by Hol Horse and would still come back in Judgement. Iggy would still join and Kakyoin would still be knocked out by N’Doul and Rosanna still takes a break because of that. And for the Ice and Young Darby fights, I see Jotaro, Joseph, Kakyoin, and your ocs going into Younger Darby’s lair, and Jonathan, George II, Caesar, and Messina going with Polnareff, Avdol, and Iggy to fight Ice. I think Messina would take Avdol’s death spot unless you disagree, but Iggy wouldn’t die because of more allies. And for the DIO fight, Caesar would take Kakyoin’s death spot instead to reveal The World’s stand ability (for the sake of the plot, let’s just say DIO still gets The World unless that wasn’t Joestar related.) And Jonathan and Jotaro would defeat DIO together with Jonathan sacrificing his life. So our survivors are The OG Crusaders, your ocs, and George II. While the deaths are Jonathan, Caesar, and Messina. Part 4: Kakyoin would go with Jotaro in Morioh and I believe Josuke would still be here. But not much changes so Ryohei and Keicho are gonna die. A change is that George II and Avdol would go with Joseph on the boat during the Akira fight. Shigechi and Aya still die sadly, but I see Joseph, George II, and Avdol in some of the fights idk which. And importantly, George II would die in the final fight to Kira which gives Josuke the motivation to kill Kira which would have been better instead of Jotaro beating him up and then him dying to an ambulance. So the only real change here is that Kakyoin, Avdol and George II are here, Joseph is not senile, and Josuke would defeat Kira instead. Part 5: Idk how this part would go since I don’t see Giorno being created without Jonathan. I see Avdol, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan going. But in the end, I see Polnareff, Julius, and Iggy in the final battle. Idk who would get requiem this time, but I assume the new protagonist is the boss, idk what to say for this part honestly. Part 6: Tenmie would exist because Kakyoin and Rosanna still get married (I call her Rosanna because there’s already a person named Roses (the old guy from Part 3.) Now Jolyne would still get framed thus making her end up in prison. I do see Josuke ending up in Stone Ocean (Which I still dream of happening :( ) along with some of the Morioh Warriors. I believe Ermes would die in the Punishment ward arc thus making FF survive. A real change is that DIO’s sons would be different since he did not have Jonathan’s body, idk how they would be like (too lazy to make ocs.) but I think Weather Report would still die since there is no way to save him (I think Okuyasu would live over Weather Report imo.) maybe FF dies to C-Moon? But I believe Joseph would sacrifice his life for Jotaro to kill Pucci when it seems all hope is lost. There’s my thoughts.
@@VampireStraizo IMO. PB: Goes the same, but Dio doesn't lose his body so also means Jonathan lives, and so does Lisa Lisa's parents, so Lisa Lisa is basically out of the story now. BT: George II would marry a different woman instead (IDK what she does in 2 and how she effects it?) but RIP Mark and Loggins, but Caesar would live since I think Jonathan, George, and Joseph would actually help Caesar against Wamuu so Wamuu is defeated a lot sooner than he originally was, and Jonathan would just play the same role that Lisa Lisa did against Kars IMO. SDC: So I think Jonathan, George, Messina, Caesar, Julius, and Rose would be here, and I would see them helping out with Joseph and Avdol, with them still getting Jotaro, Kakyoin, Polnareff, and Iggy on the team. So Messina die in Avdol's place against Vanilla Ice and dies to Cream instead which Caesar would be the one who avenges him instead with Iggy also surviving. After that, Caesar would end up taking Kakyoin's place against Dio and dies revealing The World's power with his hamon bubbles instead, Joseph also has his death against Dio (and gets brought back of course.) and I would have Jonathan sacrifice himself against Dio at the end so Jotaro could use Star Platinum to kill Dio. So George, Joseph, Jotaro, Avdol, Iggy, Polnareff, Kakyoin, Rose, and Julius would survive. DIU: Kakyoin goes with Jotaro to Morioh and he meets Koichi and Josuke with Jotaro, Avdol would take the place of the Speedwagon Foundation Employee who informs Jotaro about Joseph's arrival, George would be with Joseph on the boat, and Rose would show up after Akira is defeated but leaves after Kira kills Shingechi. IMO, everyone who lives and dies still do, but George would die in Okuyasu's fake out place but stays dead instead, so Josuke has to avenge him and Josuke kills Kira instead of Jotaro (technically the ambulance.) but Avdol, Kakyoin, and Rose do live though. GW/VA: IDK yet, but Giorno is replaced, Avdol, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan are here, with Frito showing up IMO. But IDK what happens TBH, but I do believe Bruno, Avdol, and Iggy would most likely die in this part IMO. SO: Jolyne is still framed with Jotaro still getting his disc stolen, and Kakyoin and Rose would send Tenmie and maybe Tatjana (if Julius is in 6 or has the time to have her?) and Joseph, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan would be in this part. IMO, Ermes would die in the Punishment Ward instead of Foo Fighters, Weather Report most likely wouldn't die unless one of Dio's new kids has a stand that's similar to Underworld or is similar to Donatello in personality, but I think one of them could get redeemed (like Rikiel in the other video timelines.) Okuyasu would die to C-Moon saving Koichi in the process so Echoes can evolve, FF might die to C-Moon maybe, Kakyoin and Rose can be with Jotaro for his return, maybe if one of Dio's kids turn good they can die against MIH like Rikiel? Anasui would survive since Josuke is here to save him, Jotaro lives since Anasui is still around to protect him, and Joseph would definitely sacrifice himself with Jotaro or Weather Report killing Pucci. (IMO Weather Report would be the best choice because he suffered the most from Pucci's hands, plus his stand was what originally killed Pucci so it makes sense IMO.) So thoughts?
Now I think we should be asking a new question now. Would Joseph's new mom/George new wife end up learning hamon or would she just play the same role someone like Speedwagon, Erina, and Smokey played?
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 Idk, but let’s assume it’s a good wife and that stupid plot twist with Lisa Lisa being Joseph’s mom can be abolished, this means that George II actually gets a meaningful chance to be a good character here instead of him just stupidly dying to an unnamed character which George knew he was undead.
@@VanillalceCreamJoJo Also here is the timeline for this part IG. Part 1: Basically the same, but since Dio's body isn't destroyed Jonathan actually gets to live and him and Erina have the perfect marriage and Lisa Lisa's parents are still alive so she's basically out of the story as well. Part 1.5: George II would probably live since Jonathan would probably teach him hamon (unless he's not interested, then he still dies because Jonathan wouldn't force him to learn IMO, but I'll assume George II learns because he's going into the war.) but Mario would still die saving Caesar though. Part 2: So IG all the changes here would be these. So Lisa Lisa is doesn't exist in the story, instead we find Messina, Loggins, and Suzi Q a different way IG, Jonathan and George are in the story IMO, and Caesar would survive and kill Wamuu in there fight because Jonathan and George II would go and help him instead. But that's it honestly, and Mark and Loggins would still die though. Part 2.5: So everything more or less goes the same, but Joseph would still have Holly (whether it's still with Suzi Q though? Debatable.) Caesar can have his family so that Rose and Julius can show up in the story still, and Jonathan, George, Joseph, and Caesar would also train on there hamon as well. Part 3: So somehow the Joestars get a stand IG, and IMO, Jonathan, George, Caesar, Julius, and Rose are guaranteed to be in the part (with Messina being debatable (because he canonically doesn't have a stand, plus we don't know if he continued to train on hamon after the events of BT and he was probably in his 40's-50's so if he gave up on hamon he's long gone, so IG I can do multiple versions one where he is in SDC and one excluding him IG.)) but IMO, going with the timeline where Messina is not in the story, then Avdol still gets his head injury from Hol Horse and J Geil, and Kakyoin is still sidelined with Rose staying behind to nurse his wound. Now IMO, Avdol would still die to Vanilla Ice/you, but Iggy would survive because of Jonathan, George, and Caesar being here (Julius and Rose are with Jotaro, Joseph, and Kakyoin BTW.) so against Dio it would be Caesar who would die revealing The World's power instead of Kakyoin, Joseph is temporarily killed and brought back, and Jonathan can die at the end helping Jotaro kill Dio. So George, Joseph, Jotaro, Avdol, Julius, Rose, Kakyoin, Iggy, and Polnareff would survive, Avdol, Caesar, and Jonathan unfortunately don't. Part 4: So Kakyoin would be with Jotaro in the beginning when he meets Josuke and Koichi, George can be with Joseph on the boat during the Red Hot Chili Pepper arc, and Rose would show up after Akira's defeat but Kakyoin would make her leave once Kira kills Shingechi to protect his wife. IMO, this mostly doesn't effect who lives and dies, but George would instead take Okuyasu's place against Kira and die there so Josuke would actually be motivated to kill Kira which he would. But honestly that's it for DIU TBH. Part 5: This one is honestly hard since depending on are JoJo/GioGio's new stand this can effect who lives and dies in the story as Giorno came in clutch for a lot of characters, especially for Mista. But Julius and Iggy are with Polnareff so instead we get Julius inside of Coco Jumbo and Polnareff dies instead. Abbacchio and Bruno would still die though, but Iggy would save Narancia and Iggy would die later on to Diavolo. Part 6: So Jolyne is still framed Kakyoin and Rose can have there son Tenmie, and Joseph, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan can join in on the adventure to Florida. So IMO, Ermes would die against Pucci since Josuke heals her so she doesn't die to Sports Maxx, Dio's Stone Ocean kids are also different like Giorno and because of that Weather Report would actually have a good chance of living unless one of them knew about the memory disc and used it like Donatello did? But Weather Report should survive this part IMO, Okuyasu would die saving Koichi from C-Moon so Koichi can finally have Echoes Act 4, would probably die assuming Weather Report isn't here, Jotaro, Kakyoin, and Rose would return together with mostly everything going the same until they are knocked into the ocean, Anasui would've survived the attack since Josuke can heal him up, no one likely gets killed taking Ermes place IMO, Jotaro would survive since Anasui can tank the attack for him, and Joseph would die so Jotaro can knock down Pucci so Weather Report can kill him as I think it makes more sense because Weather Report has suffered the most from Pucci IMO.
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 IMO: Part 1: I agree, and I always wanted to see Jonathan and Erina as parents, and Speedwagon as an uncle to one of my favorite characters :( Part 1.5: I would have George II learn Hamon, and maybe that Commander would be fleshed out more since I did like the story but Lisa Lisa ruined it. And without her, maybe we could have a story on him and George? But he would survive imo and wouldn’t have a fetish death. Part 2: I assume Loggins, Messina, and Suzi Q can still be apart of the story since it’s never explained how any of the three characters met Lisa Lisa. But I agree with everything like Jonathan and George II helping Caesar, and yeah I can’t find a way to save Loggins and Mark. Part 2.5: I feel like Suzi Q would still marry Joseph so Holly can still exist. I know you said Joseph can still have Holly without Suzi but I disagree honestly since Holly represents Suzi Q’s innocence and also Joseph’s cockiness. But I agree with Jonathan, George, Joseph, and Caesar continuing Hamon training along with the extension of the Zeppeli family. Part 3: I feel like Messina can be involved since I believe he would continue Hamon training if Araki forgot about him, then I’ll remember him for him to be included. I agree that Avdol would get knocked out, and Kakyoin gets knocked out with Rosanna staying with him. Personally I would have Messina take Avdol’s spot, I’m fine with Iggy surviving. I would have George II get knocked out by DIO in the stairs. I agree with Caesar dying in Kakyoin’s death spot, Joseph dying temporarily, and I agree with Jotaro and Jonathan killing DIO with Jonathan sacrificing his life. And I agree with the survivors. Part 4: I agree with Kakyoin joining in the beginning, George being with Joseph in the boat during Akira’s fight. And I agree with George II dying here as it gives the torch to another one of my favorite characters that is Josuke. Part 5: I honestly have no idea how this part would go, so I’ll just go with your opinion. Part 6: Agreed, but tbh I don’t think Weather Report would live.
@@VanillalceCreamJoJo Ok, and IG to explain why Weather Report survives (since he's basically died in all my SO timelines at this point.) the only reason he did originally die was because Donatello knew about Weather Report's memories because of stand Underworld, and he stole them from Pucci so that he wouldn't die to Jolyne. So in other words, assuming the new Dio son (or maybe daughter) doesn't have a stand like Underworld where they can find out about Weather Report's memories, while also not being desperate enough to escape, then Weather Report realistically would survive the part, and I don't see any reason Weather vs Pucci would happen unless the whole fate thing comes in, but I don't think Weather Report was really fated to die to Pucci, it was basically the events of Heavy Weather. So in other words, it's basically like Donatello laid out a bunch of dominoes, and the entire effect basically was what got Weather Report killed. So no Donatello means Weather Report most likely survives (unless he dies to C-Moon or Made In Heaven instead, which are none the less possibilities to.) but just had to answer that, and I'll try to think of something for Part 5 IG.
For Vanilla Ice:
George II's new wife oc: Penelope de la Rosa
Penelope is a slim woman of average height with youthful facial features. She has short wavy light hair kept up to her neck with side swept bangs. Her hair appears to grow longer when she uses Hamon or is in distress. She wears a striped sundress and George says that she would sometimes also wear a light shawl over her shoulders. According to George, she is quite beautiful. Penelope has a worrisome, insecure attitude and is emotionally unstable. She initially has an extreme pathological fear of clowns. She is also quite cocky sometimes in battle.
You might recognize her from my fan made George II Part cast "Valiant AceFighter", I chose her cause I believe she and George II would have a relationship similar to Bulma and Goku from Dragon Ball where it's possible they could have ended up together.
I like her, and she can work in the story, and plus in my newest video as well, since Lisa Lisa literally doesn't exist in that one lol.
Plus with her having hamon, would she play a role in Battle Tendency, and IYO, would she survive or die in 2, and if she does live what role could she potentially play in a part like 3 or 4 or 5 or 6? Just curious BTW.
What did Lisa Lisa ever do? This is gonna make her upset if she saw this lmao
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 Haven't really thought about it a lot, maybe she dies in Part 2 or Part 3. I don't know if she would make it longer imo.
@@IceEpikFace Yeah almost a lot of people hate Lisa Lisa on my channel lol. (Ironically I like Lisa Lisa as well lol.)
I think Messina is able to get involved in Stardust Crusaders if Caesar is alive for Part 3, if Caesar isn’t alive for example “The Stroheim What If” then Messina is likely not to be involved in Stardust Crusaders.
Also I’ve seen the fan fiction you sent me, but I haven’t got time to read it yet.
1: That makes more sense honestly.
2: Alright, take your time with it.
Also how would you imagine this timeline going from 1-6 IYO?
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 Alright imo:
Part 1: Jonathan defeats Dio but like a combo he did during their first fight in the Mansion but with Hamon this time, other than that I agree that Jonathan lives with Erina and that Lisa Lisa is not gonna be here.
Part 2: I feel like George II would learn Hamon from Jonathan and he would kill that Vampire Commander or whatever that thing was. I assume Joseph can still be created by George II and his new wife. And the part kinda goes the same but Joseph is somewhat more nice than he was in the og timeline, I don’t see Loggins being saved if Esidisi is around but another change would be that Jonathan and George II would help Caesar fight Wamuu which they defeat him together. Then they got Kars to fight, I think Jonathan or George II would take Lisa Lisa’s spot with the rope while the other helps Caesar and Stroheim fight the vampires, but I still see the part ending the same way but George II, Jonathan, and Caesar are around.
Part 2.5: I feel like Holly would still be around since Suzi Q would still be in the story since I believe Loggins and Messina might’ve known her personally but without Suzi Q or Joseph, Holly would not exist. But I assume Joseph and Suzi Q still get married and have Holly which she would still marry Sadao, and Caesar would get married and your ocs are created.
Part 3: As I mentioned in my comment I believe Messina can get involved since Caesar is around. I do not know how the Joestars get their stands but I assume they do somehow. I see the OG crusaders and your ocs being involved, but I also see Jonathan, George II, Caesar, and Messina getting involved (Stroheim dies sadly) Avdol would still get knocked out by Hol Horse and would still come back in Judgement. Iggy would still join and Kakyoin would still be knocked out by N’Doul and Rosanna still takes a break because of that. And for the Ice and Young Darby fights, I see Jotaro, Joseph, Kakyoin, and your ocs going into Younger Darby’s lair, and Jonathan, George II, Caesar, and Messina going with Polnareff, Avdol, and Iggy to fight Ice. I think Messina would take Avdol’s death spot unless you disagree, but Iggy wouldn’t die because of more allies. And for the DIO fight, Caesar would take Kakyoin’s death spot instead to reveal The World’s stand ability (for the sake of the plot, let’s just say DIO still gets The World unless that wasn’t Joestar related.) And Jonathan and Jotaro would defeat DIO together with Jonathan sacrificing his life. So our survivors are The OG Crusaders, your ocs, and George II. While the deaths are Jonathan, Caesar, and Messina.
Part 4: Kakyoin would go with Jotaro in Morioh and I believe Josuke would still be here. But not much changes so Ryohei and Keicho are gonna die. A change is that George II and Avdol would go with Joseph on the boat during the Akira fight. Shigechi and Aya still die sadly, but I see Joseph, George II, and Avdol in some of the fights idk which. And importantly, George II would die in the final fight to Kira which gives Josuke the motivation to kill Kira which would have been better instead of Jotaro beating him up and then him dying to an ambulance. So the only real change here is that Kakyoin, Avdol and George II are here, Joseph is not senile, and Josuke would defeat Kira instead.
Part 5: Idk how this part would go since I don’t see Giorno being created without Jonathan. I see Avdol, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan going. But in the end, I see Polnareff, Julius, and Iggy in the final battle. Idk who would get requiem this time, but I assume the new protagonist is the boss, idk what to say for this part honestly.
Part 6: Tenmie would exist because Kakyoin and Rosanna still get married (I call her Rosanna because there’s already a person named Roses (the old guy from Part 3.) Now Jolyne would still get framed thus making her end up in prison. I do see Josuke ending up in Stone Ocean (Which I still dream of happening :( ) along with some of the Morioh Warriors. I believe Ermes would die in the Punishment ward arc thus making FF survive. A real change is that DIO’s sons would be different since he did not have Jonathan’s body, idk how they would be like (too lazy to make ocs.) but I think Weather Report would still die since there is no way to save him (I think Okuyasu would live over Weather Report imo.) maybe FF dies to C-Moon? But I believe Joseph would sacrifice his life for Jotaro to kill Pucci when it seems all hope is lost.
There’s my thoughts.
@@VampireStraizo IMO.
PB: Goes the same, but Dio doesn't lose his body so also means Jonathan lives, and so does Lisa Lisa's parents, so Lisa Lisa is basically out of the story now.
BT: George II would marry a different woman instead (IDK what she does in 2 and how she effects it?) but RIP Mark and Loggins, but Caesar would live since I think Jonathan, George, and Joseph would actually help Caesar against Wamuu so Wamuu is defeated a lot sooner than he originally was, and Jonathan would just play the same role that Lisa Lisa did against Kars IMO.
SDC: So I think Jonathan, George, Messina, Caesar, Julius, and Rose would be here, and I would see them helping out with Joseph and Avdol, with them still getting Jotaro, Kakyoin, Polnareff, and Iggy on the team. So Messina die in Avdol's place against Vanilla Ice and dies to Cream instead which Caesar would be the one who avenges him instead with Iggy also surviving. After that, Caesar would end up taking Kakyoin's place against Dio and dies revealing The World's power with his hamon bubbles instead, Joseph also has his death against Dio (and gets brought back of course.) and I would have Jonathan sacrifice himself against Dio at the end so Jotaro could use Star Platinum to kill Dio. So George, Joseph, Jotaro, Avdol, Iggy, Polnareff, Kakyoin, Rose, and Julius would survive.
DIU: Kakyoin goes with Jotaro to Morioh and he meets Koichi and Josuke with Jotaro, Avdol would take the place of the Speedwagon Foundation Employee who informs Jotaro about Joseph's arrival, George would be with Joseph on the boat, and Rose would show up after Akira is defeated but leaves after Kira kills Shingechi. IMO, everyone who lives and dies still do, but George would die in Okuyasu's fake out place but stays dead instead, so Josuke has to avenge him and Josuke kills Kira instead of Jotaro (technically the ambulance.) but Avdol, Kakyoin, and Rose do live though.
GW/VA: IDK yet, but Giorno is replaced, Avdol, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan are here, with Frito showing up IMO. But IDK what happens TBH, but I do believe Bruno, Avdol, and Iggy would most likely die in this part IMO.
SO: Jolyne is still framed with Jotaro still getting his disc stolen, and Kakyoin and Rose would send Tenmie and maybe Tatjana (if Julius is in 6 or has the time to have her?) and Joseph, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan would be in this part. IMO, Ermes would die in the Punishment Ward instead of Foo Fighters, Weather Report most likely wouldn't die unless one of Dio's new kids has a stand that's similar to Underworld or is similar to Donatello in personality, but I think one of them could get redeemed (like Rikiel in the other video timelines.) Okuyasu would die to C-Moon saving Koichi in the process so Echoes can evolve, FF might die to C-Moon maybe, Kakyoin and Rose can be with Jotaro for his return, maybe if one of Dio's kids turn good they can die against MIH like Rikiel? Anasui would survive since Josuke is here to save him, Jotaro lives since Anasui is still around to protect him, and Joseph would definitely sacrifice himself with Jotaro or Weather Report killing Pucci. (IMO Weather Report would be the best choice because he suffered the most from Pucci's hands, plus his stand was what originally killed Pucci so it makes sense IMO.)
So thoughts?
What if shane o mac destroyed vince's body?
He should've a few years ago honestly.
This is an interesting what if ngl
I agree, this one was one of the fun what if's to think about.
Finally a timeline where George gets an actual good wife!
Now I think we should be asking a new question now. Would Joseph's new mom/George new wife end up learning hamon or would she just play the same role someone like Speedwagon, Erina, and Smokey played?
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 Idk, but let’s assume it’s a good wife and that stupid plot twist with Lisa Lisa being Joseph’s mom can be abolished, this means that George II actually gets a meaningful chance to be a good character here instead of him just stupidly dying to an unnamed character which George knew he was undead.
@@VanillalceCreamJoJo Also here is the timeline for this part IG.
Part 1: Basically the same, but since Dio's body isn't destroyed Jonathan actually gets to live and him and Erina have the perfect marriage and Lisa Lisa's parents are still alive so she's basically out of the story as well.
Part 1.5: George II would probably live since Jonathan would probably teach him hamon (unless he's not interested, then he still dies because Jonathan wouldn't force him to learn IMO, but I'll assume George II learns because he's going into the war.) but Mario would still die saving Caesar though.
Part 2: So IG all the changes here would be these. So Lisa Lisa is doesn't exist in the story, instead we find Messina, Loggins, and Suzi Q a different way IG, Jonathan and George are in the story IMO, and Caesar would survive and kill Wamuu in there fight because Jonathan and George II would go and help him instead. But that's it honestly, and Mark and Loggins would still die though.
Part 2.5: So everything more or less goes the same, but Joseph would still have Holly (whether it's still with Suzi Q though? Debatable.) Caesar can have his family so that Rose and Julius can show up in the story still, and Jonathan, George, Joseph, and Caesar would also train on there hamon as well.
Part 3: So somehow the Joestars get a stand IG, and IMO, Jonathan, George, Caesar, Julius, and Rose are guaranteed to be in the part (with Messina being debatable (because he canonically doesn't have a stand, plus we don't know if he continued to train on hamon after the events of BT and he was probably in his 40's-50's so if he gave up on hamon he's long gone, so IG I can do multiple versions one where he is in SDC and one excluding him IG.)) but IMO, going with the timeline where Messina is not in the story, then Avdol still gets his head injury from Hol Horse and J Geil, and Kakyoin is still sidelined with Rose staying behind to nurse his wound. Now IMO, Avdol would still die to Vanilla Ice/you, but Iggy would survive because of Jonathan, George, and Caesar being here (Julius and Rose are with Jotaro, Joseph, and Kakyoin BTW.) so against Dio it would be Caesar who would die revealing The World's power instead of Kakyoin, Joseph is temporarily killed and brought back, and Jonathan can die at the end helping Jotaro kill Dio. So George, Joseph, Jotaro, Avdol, Julius, Rose, Kakyoin, Iggy, and Polnareff would survive, Avdol, Caesar, and Jonathan unfortunately don't.
Part 4: So Kakyoin would be with Jotaro in the beginning when he meets Josuke and Koichi, George can be with Joseph on the boat during the Red Hot Chili Pepper arc, and Rose would show up after Akira's defeat but Kakyoin would make her leave once Kira kills Shingechi to protect his wife. IMO, this mostly doesn't effect who lives and dies, but George would instead take Okuyasu's place against Kira and die there so Josuke would actually be motivated to kill Kira which he would. But honestly that's it for DIU TBH.
Part 5: This one is honestly hard since depending on are JoJo/GioGio's new stand this can effect who lives and dies in the story as Giorno came in clutch for a lot of characters, especially for Mista. But Julius and Iggy are with Polnareff so instead we get Julius inside of Coco Jumbo and Polnareff dies instead. Abbacchio and Bruno would still die though, but Iggy would save Narancia and Iggy would die later on to Diavolo.
Part 6: So Jolyne is still framed Kakyoin and Rose can have there son Tenmie, and Joseph, Josuke, Okuyasu, Koichi, and Rohan can join in on the adventure to Florida. So IMO, Ermes would die against Pucci since Josuke heals her so she doesn't die to Sports Maxx, Dio's Stone Ocean kids are also different like Giorno and because of that Weather Report would actually have a good chance of living unless one of them knew about the memory disc and used it like Donatello did? But Weather Report should survive this part IMO, Okuyasu would die saving Koichi from C-Moon so Koichi can finally have Echoes Act 4, would probably die assuming Weather Report isn't here, Jotaro, Kakyoin, and Rose would return together with mostly everything going the same until they are knocked into the ocean, Anasui would've survived the attack since Josuke can heal him up, no one likely gets killed taking Ermes place IMO, Jotaro would survive since Anasui can tank the attack for him, and Joseph would die so Jotaro can knock down Pucci so Weather Report can kill him as I think it makes more sense because Weather Report has suffered the most from Pucci IMO.
@@theworstchannelyouhaveever9573 IMO:
Part 1: I agree, and I always wanted to see Jonathan and Erina as parents, and Speedwagon as an uncle to one of my favorite characters :(
Part 1.5: I would have George II learn Hamon, and maybe that Commander would be fleshed out more since I did like the story but Lisa Lisa ruined it. And without her, maybe we could have a story on him and George? But he would survive imo and wouldn’t have a fetish death.
Part 2: I assume Loggins, Messina, and Suzi Q can still be apart of the story since it’s never explained how any of the three characters met Lisa Lisa. But I agree with everything like Jonathan and George II helping Caesar, and yeah I can’t find a way to save Loggins and Mark.
Part 2.5: I feel like Suzi Q would still marry Joseph so Holly can still exist. I know you said Joseph can still have Holly without Suzi but I disagree honestly since Holly represents Suzi Q’s innocence and also Joseph’s cockiness. But I agree with Jonathan, George, Joseph, and Caesar continuing Hamon training along with the extension of the Zeppeli family.
Part 3: I feel like Messina can be involved since I believe he would continue Hamon training if Araki forgot about him, then I’ll remember him for him to be included. I agree that Avdol would get knocked out, and Kakyoin gets knocked out with Rosanna staying with him. Personally I would have Messina take Avdol’s spot, I’m fine with Iggy surviving. I would have George II get knocked out by DIO in the stairs. I agree with Caesar dying in Kakyoin’s death spot, Joseph dying temporarily, and I agree with Jotaro and Jonathan killing DIO with Jonathan sacrificing his life. And I agree with the survivors.
Part 4: I agree with Kakyoin joining in the beginning, George being with Joseph in the boat during Akira’s fight. And I agree with George II dying here as it gives the torch to another one of my favorite characters that is Josuke.
Part 5: I honestly have no idea how this part would go, so I’ll just go with your opinion.
Part 6: Agreed, but tbh I don’t think Weather Report would live.
@@VanillalceCreamJoJo Ok, and IG to explain why Weather Report survives (since he's basically died in all my SO timelines at this point.) the only reason he did originally die was because Donatello knew about Weather Report's memories because of stand Underworld, and he stole them from Pucci so that he wouldn't die to Jolyne. So in other words, assuming the new Dio son (or maybe daughter) doesn't have a stand like Underworld where they can find out about Weather Report's memories, while also not being desperate enough to escape, then Weather Report realistically would survive the part, and I don't see any reason Weather vs Pucci would happen unless the whole fate thing comes in, but I don't think Weather Report was really fated to die to Pucci, it was basically the events of Heavy Weather. So in other words, it's basically like Donatello laid out a bunch of dominoes, and the entire effect basically was what got Weather Report killed. So no Donatello means Weather Report most likely survives (unless he dies to C-Moon or Made In Heaven instead, which are none the less possibilities to.) but just had to answer that, and I'll try to think of something for Part 5 IG.