We compared: - Nissan Leaf - Hyundai Kona - Kia Nero - ë-C4 and drove in the the ë-C4 and Nero. Leaf was dropped in an early stage, due to lack of 3~ charging. Nero was dropped as it was less comfortable then the ë-C4 (seats not designed for Dutch people :-) ) After negative experience with Niro, Kona was dropped as probably same issue with seats (also Korean and same 'house') So decided for the ë-C4 and waiting for delivery.
after test-driving a kona 64kwh and being initially very impressed, I drove the e-C4 and was even more impressed. Not acceleration-wise, but the whole chassis and suspension feels much better and more composed. Will pick up a polar-white e-C4 (feel pack) next week as my daily driver. :)
Bought EC4 because best power(accessory)/price ratio. Amazing car. Tesla would be better of course but not affordable for me and also who will pay high cost insurance due to high kW?
Great review. Have driven Kona, Niro (all old Gen) MGZS, ID3. All cars have positives in each but for me, comfort, ride quality and wind noise in the E-C4 was amazing. Battery is smaller and that in my mind is the only sacrifice. Took it for a 24 test drive on a mixture of town, A, B and National speed limits. Drove in Eco mode and used Regen where possible. I averaged 4.4 MPKWH over 140 miles. That equates to around 190-200 miles. Yes I was in eco and that does dull down the car but this vehicle is about comfort and wafting down the road. Great spec, amazing safety features and superb comfort. Bought a ex demo car as speced up with pan roof. Electric seats etc. next on list wall box. Thanks for review always the best impartial information on any car with no hidden agenda. P.s I found a place to hide my Haribo!! 😂
Three years on and this car has seen some absolutely lovely depreciation, and is at a really great price point now for me. Even seen a couple of brand new, less than 100 mile versions currently on sale for just under £16k, so even they are pretty tempting. The question that holds me back is living on a typical old terraced street, the benefit of these cars is being able to charge at home, and it’s 50/50 whether this might be possible. Local councils seem slow to offer solutions, even with all the pavement cutout strips you can now get, but our council has only just started trialling them, so here’s hoping they give them the green light!
I love this car so I bought one last week. Infotainments are weak spot compared to Tesla or Renault Megane Etech, but everything other is high level and I feel like in rolls royce. I enjoy my ride to home because interior is so silent! Also we are going to travel to Italy in June, total 3000 km! I agree with your review, good job!
What a great review, and showed me just what I needed to know. As a previous C4 owner, I fully understand the steering and the brake comments. Thank you
Great explanation of the suspension. Love the looks, had 2 Citroen’s in the past for comfort but it’s got to have a rear wiper for me. Seems silly but it’s a real issue for me. If they put one on it’s a real contender
I've driven cars with this fastback-like shape all my life. Some of them had wipers, some didn't. The rear window usually stays completely dry, unless you are stuck in traffic. So, unless if you are looking for a city runabout, it's not going to be a problem.
You don't lose everything in old Citroëns when losing the LHM fluid, at least not at once. First the car isn't able to get the right riding height, then the steering will get heavy and lastly the brakes will fail. Not everything at once. Your brakes work with surprisingly small amount of LHM fluid. Of course you should reduce your speed though, and only drive to a place where your car can be repaired.
Very nice review, honest without exaggeration. Great! I can't decide now C4-e or Niro or ID4 ? :-) I like Leaf II but there is missing battery cooling and it is big big mistake of Nissan...
It was a bit of a half-way model the BX. It replaced the GS/GSA which was a C-sector car. Citroen tried to fill two markets (C and D-sectors) with the BX, but became a bit mainstream when it came to replacing it as the did it with two cars - the ZX sat in eth C-Sector competing with Escorts, Golfs and Astras, whilst the Xantia went after the D-Sector with Mondeos, Passats and Cavaliers. Good cars though. I had an AX Debut as my demonstrator back in 1993!
@Whole_Ammo83 just because the Leaf offers one pedal driving doesn’t mean it isn’t outdated. Plenty of other new EVs offer aggressive regen that can do that. Nissan are well aware that the Leaf is way behind class best and I am sure that the next car they bring out will be a vast leap forward on that car, especially given how good the Ariya is.
You are comparing two different numbers. Net capacity for C4 is 45kWh (and 38kWh for ioniq) and gross capacity is 50 kWh (and bit over 40 for ioniq). It is fair to compare net capacity when we are talking about range and while there is a difference, it's not as wide as your numbers would suggest.
I am quite "old-fashioned" in some ways, and I felt that the car was more akin to the more normal cars in the sector, such as the Ioniq, Leaf and ID.3. That isn't to say that you shouldn't compare it to the Kona, as it is a very good car, and can be had at a price similar to the Citroen, but I just wanted to segment it a bit more in-line with the other C-segment cars available. No other reason than that. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Bryan.
@@AutoEV that is my point exactly. Isnt C4 more similar to Kona, then it is to Ioniq? Ioniq is a sedan, and Kona, C4 are suv with more clerance. C4, kona, Niro, P2008 are more suv. Just my 2 cents.
@@RomanRoman-xi3dv No, I don't think the C4 is a crossover like the Kona. The 2008 is a bit more like it, but the Niro is bigger than them all. I look at the C4 like the Polestar 2. Not a full crossover in terms of height, just a bit "jacked-up" over the usual ride height. But happy to hear a different point of view and opinion. Either way, the Kona is a good car and we are looking forward to driving the facelifted car soon.
For the day I did like the old BX turbo Diesel running used veg oil But 😁👍. A 2021 TAKE ON a ELECTRIC FAST 4X4 1960S DS convertible 😇LOVE THAT CAR with hydro suspension frounk and some more safety THEN I WOULD BE EXCITED. Citroën Ec4 bit of a old man's car. Iam not quit ready for pip and comfortable sleepers with vague steering 😂. BUZZOFFTOXIC
Would add built ice car's and electric as batteries have second use and can be made sustainably. Do look at BMW I net zero I program . Electric cars can be made badly but also easy to be built sustainably future biofabrication 🌍👍
Test drove this today, overall very disappointing compared to VW ID3, KIA E-NIRO and KONA ELECTRIC. Felt sluggish, loads of body roll in corners, very dull infotainment system, awkward drive mode selector system, HUD cannot be seen by driver with seat in high position, battery useable 45kwh poor compared to other vehicles. Only positives were comfortable seats and excellent suspension. Apart from that couldn’t wait to give vehicle back! Where as the VW iD3 and KONA wanted the test drives to last longer, say no more. Sorry Citroën but this vehicle is way behind rivals.
The HUD is adjustable. I have also tested the car and I liked it so much that I am now waiting for the delivery. It is not a sporty car, there I agree, but it is comfortable which is what counts in every day use. When I first test drove I flogged it, then it was a bit wallowy and disappointing (but still good road grip), but then I drove it as I usually drive on my usual commuter route and then it was really good and comfortable. The Infotainment system: you can always bypass it with Apple Carplay or Android Auto, so not an issue for me. The ID.3 looks like a toy car to me both inside and out, not an alternative. The E- niro and Kona are boxy SUVs with poor design, not an alternative either IMO.
I drove the same 3 cars as test drive. The Citroen won for me. The Kona as an ugly silver plastic interior and a lot of noise whilst driving. The ID3 is a nice car to drive but doesn't has the comfort like the Citroen. It's all about taste!
Huge nose,, "No front space a frounk 🤔. Why would any one buy a toxic old ice technology sad Citroën should just dump toxic fossil fuel burning stock. Glad to see Citroën going electric bit behind. Looks OK bit slow for a ev 😁👍🌈Thank you great review 😁 good to see the ban of toxic slowly coming as we all face mass extinction 🌏👍 buzzofftoxic
@@Sherukka your so wrong so wrong electric is more efficient simple long life and when we build a global renewable future for our children electric. The ban of toxic is coming the con men selling toxic fossil fuel and crap ice, cars will end, if in time before mass extinction is a real problem 😱. EV'S best of all do not burn toxic fossil locked in carbon dirty oil. Me I am on the engineering winning side. Only problem electric renewable future will not fit in to wastefully capitalism🙄🙄🙄🤔. Time for global change nonprofit green leadership #buzzofftoxic
It isn't that the handling is "poor" Tom, just that it isn't the car's forte. The steering is set up to be light and easy to manoeuvre, so it's more comfortable. I'd just like to have had a bit more communication from the front, but don't think of it as a bad-handling car. As I said, as a family car, it its beautifully comfortable inside. The issue with the wind noise is only noticeable on something like an EV when you have less of the usual ambient noises to to drown it out, such as engine and transmission noise. Trust me, the Hyundai Kona Electric has a similar issue where there is a wind resonance from the wheel arches, and that is much more noticeable than the mirrors on the C4. Anyway, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. It is very much appreciated. Bryan.
@@AutoEV A long and considered reply. deserves a response. your reviews are good even though you effervesce over the Honda. My view is what are we expecting from cars? Why do we need them at all. Clearly as human progress has been made by industrialization we need to get from affordable housing to a place of income generation. Public transport helps. However pandemics seem to be the new reality of homeworking for the educated class. So individual transport is a luxury for many and a necessary for some. As a luxury item manufacturers try to bring the latest fashion in the hope of sales. For the the real needy of transport cheap and reliable is the highest priority. personally I arranged my live to fit my needs, I can walk to the shops, use my ebike for the luxury days out and my car stays in the garage 98% of the time. Will I buy an EV in the future, Maybe for the tech and play.
We compared:
- Nissan Leaf
- Hyundai Kona
- Kia Nero
- ë-C4
and drove in the the ë-C4 and Nero.
Leaf was dropped in an early stage, due to lack of 3~ charging.
Nero was dropped as it was less comfortable then the ë-C4 (seats not designed for Dutch people :-) )
After negative experience with Niro, Kona was dropped as probably same issue with seats (also Korean and same 'house')
So decided for the ë-C4 and waiting for delivery.
The same process here. One more E C4 ordered.
Dito
after test-driving a kona 64kwh and being initially very impressed, I drove the e-C4 and was even more impressed. Not acceleration-wise, but the whole chassis and suspension feels much better and more composed. Will pick up a polar-white e-C4 (feel pack) next week as my daily driver. :)
Bought EC4 because best power(accessory)/price ratio. Amazing car. Tesla would be better of course but not affordable for me and also who will pay high cost insurance due to high kW?
Great review. Have driven Kona, Niro (all old Gen) MGZS, ID3. All cars have positives in each but for me, comfort, ride quality and wind noise in the E-C4 was amazing. Battery is smaller and that in my mind is the only sacrifice. Took it for a 24 test drive on a mixture of town, A, B and National speed limits. Drove in Eco mode and used Regen where possible. I averaged 4.4 MPKWH over 140 miles. That equates to around 190-200 miles. Yes I was in eco and that does dull down the car but this vehicle is about comfort and wafting down the road. Great spec, amazing safety features and superb comfort. Bought a ex demo car as speced up with pan roof. Electric seats etc. next on list wall box. Thanks for review always the best impartial information on any car with no hidden agenda. P.s I found a place to hide my Haribo!! 😂
Great review from someone who obviously knows about cars in general and Citroën cars in particular. Great to watch and learn.
You really deserve to have a larger following as your content is top quality..!
Thank you very much, that’s very kind of you. Thank you also for watching and taking the time to comment too, because that is very much appreciated.
Three years on and this car has seen some absolutely lovely depreciation, and is at a really great price point now for me. Even seen a couple of brand new, less than 100 mile versions currently on sale for just under £16k, so even they are pretty tempting. The question that holds me back is living on a typical old terraced street, the benefit of these cars is being able to charge at home, and it’s 50/50 whether this might be possible. Local councils seem slow to offer solutions, even with all the pavement cutout strips you can now get, but our council has only just started trialling them, so here’s hoping they give them the green light!
I love this car so I bought one last week. Infotainments are weak spot compared to Tesla or Renault Megane Etech, but everything other is high level and I feel like in rolls royce. I enjoy my ride to home because interior is so silent! Also we are going to travel to Italy in June, total 3000 km! I agree with your review, good job!
What a great review, and showed me just what I needed to know. As a previous C4 owner, I fully understand the steering and the brake comments. Thank you
Great vídeo as usual.
Thank you for your comment, and continued support. Its really appreciated.
Great explanation of the suspension. Love the looks, had 2 Citroen’s in the past for comfort but it’s got to have a rear wiper for me. Seems silly but it’s a real issue for me. If they put one on it’s a real contender
Had the same thougts🤔, Drove it in the rain, no problem with rear view.🙂
I've driven cars with this fastback-like shape all my life. Some of them had wipers, some didn't. The rear window usually stays completely dry, unless you are stuck in traffic. So, unless if you are looking for a city runabout, it's not going to be a problem.
Hi Bryan, thanks for sharing , can you do tutorial about how to use Infotainment system which is fitted in eC4.
You don't lose everything in old Citroëns when losing the LHM fluid, at least not at once. First the car isn't able to get the right riding height, then the steering will get heavy and lastly the brakes will fail. Not everything at once. Your brakes work with surprisingly small amount of LHM fluid. Of course you should reduce your speed though, and only drive to a place where your car can be repaired.
Very nice review, honest without exaggeration. Great! I can't decide now C4-e or Niro or ID4 ? :-) I like Leaf II but there is missing battery cooling and it is big big mistake of Nissan...
If you need the range and space, go for the Niro. Don’t bother with the Leaf. Old hat and outdated in comparison with the other two.
Niro's got short seats, not for long sitting
Yeah true the leaf is crap because it has bad battery degradation because it has no active cooling like tesla or other evs
At the end there is a caramel version going in the background. :)
Top citroen Love iT
Nice video Nice car
How does the level of comfort and ride compare against the ID3? Does it trump the range and performance in your view?
ID.3 has a better range (just) and performance, but the Citroen trumps it significantly for comfort. Better ride quality and better seats.
@@AutoEV many thanks, that’s very helpful.
Unic car, bravo citroen
Thank you Bryan- looking forward to see you review the Ford MachE and the Hyundai 5
Thanks Leo. Looking forward to driving the new Ioniq 5 myself! Looks fantastic!
Surely the BX was replaced by the amazing Xantia? Yes I’m biased I still have a Xantia and a 1995 AX Debut!
It was a bit of a half-way model the BX. It replaced the GS/GSA which was a C-sector car. Citroen tried to fill two markets (C and D-sectors) with the BX, but became a bit mainstream when it came to replacing it as the did it with two cars - the ZX sat in eth C-Sector competing with Escorts, Golfs and Astras, whilst the Xantia went after the D-Sector with Mondeos, Passats and Cavaliers. Good cars though. I had an AX Debut as my demonstrator back in 1993!
Mega review
What about regenerative braking? One pedal driving possible?
Not quite one pedal. Not in the way of Nissan's e-Pedal, but fine for low speed around town.
@Whole_Ammo83 just because the Leaf offers one pedal driving doesn’t mean it isn’t outdated. Plenty of other new EVs offer aggressive regen that can do that. Nissan are well aware that the Leaf is way behind class best and I am sure that the next car they bring out will be a vast leap forward on that car, especially given how good the Ariya is.
From other reviews I have seen, it looks like the range is quite poor considering it has a 50 kWhr battery, considerably worse than the 38 kWhr Ioniq.
You are comparing two different numbers. Net capacity for C4 is 45kWh (and 38kWh for ioniq) and gross capacity is 50 kWh (and bit over 40 for ioniq).
It is fair to compare net capacity when we are talking about range and while there is a difference, it's not as wide as your numbers would suggest.
gracias a Dios Citroen encontro el c4x ese es el camino
I'm 6.4 and I fit nicely in the backseat, with room to spare fin my head to the roof. I don't have a sunroof in my car.
Holy cow, that front !! I won’t get used to that
Nice looking car but that range is poor, I think I'd rather stick with the diesel or maybe the new long range mg zs ev
Why do motor journalists never show and criticise the lack of glove boxes in certain cars?
We have now. Check out our Skoda Enyaq video. Thanks for the comment. Bryan.
The zantia replaced the BX .
It was spelt Xantia. And technically, both the ZX and Xantia replaced the BX. I know this as I was working at Citroen as the BX was being phased out.
Why didnt you compare it with Kona?
I am quite "old-fashioned" in some ways, and I felt that the car was more akin to the more normal cars in the sector, such as the Ioniq, Leaf and ID.3. That isn't to say that you shouldn't compare it to the Kona, as it is a very good car, and can be had at a price similar to the Citroen, but I just wanted to segment it a bit more in-line with the other C-segment cars available. No other reason than that. Thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. Bryan.
@@AutoEV that is my point exactly. Isnt C4 more similar to Kona, then it is to Ioniq? Ioniq is a sedan, and Kona, C4 are suv with more clerance. C4, kona, Niro, P2008 are more suv. Just my 2 cents.
@@RomanRoman-xi3dv No, I don't think the C4 is a crossover like the Kona. The 2008 is a bit more like it, but the Niro is bigger than them all. I look at the C4 like the Polestar 2. Not a full crossover in terms of height, just a bit "jacked-up" over the usual ride height. But happy to hear a different point of view and opinion. Either way, the Kona is a good car and we are looking forward to driving the facelifted car soon.
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Thought it was Bobby LLew
Nah, he's much better looking.......😉
For the day I did like the old BX turbo Diesel running used veg oil But 😁👍. A 2021 TAKE ON a ELECTRIC FAST 4X4 1960S DS convertible 😇LOVE THAT CAR with hydro suspension frounk and some more safety THEN I WOULD BE EXCITED. Citroën Ec4 bit of a old man's car. Iam not quit ready for pip and comfortable sleepers with vague steering 😂. BUZZOFFTOXIC
Would add built ice car's and electric as batteries have second use and can be made sustainably. Do look at BMW I net zero I program . Electric cars can be made badly but also easy to be built sustainably future biofabrication 🌍👍
Test drove this today, overall very disappointing compared to VW ID3, KIA E-NIRO and KONA ELECTRIC.
Felt sluggish, loads of body roll in corners, very dull infotainment system, awkward drive mode selector system, HUD cannot be seen by driver with seat in high position, battery useable 45kwh poor compared to other vehicles.
Only positives were comfortable seats and excellent suspension. Apart from that couldn’t wait to give vehicle back! Where as the VW iD3 and KONA wanted the test drives to last longer, say no more.
Sorry Citroën but this vehicle is way behind rivals.
The HUD is adjustable.
I have also tested the car and I liked it so much that I am now waiting for the delivery.
It is not a sporty car, there I agree, but it is comfortable which is what counts in every day use.
When I first test drove I flogged it, then it was a bit wallowy and disappointing (but still good road grip), but then I drove it as I usually drive on my usual commuter route and then it was really good and comfortable.
The Infotainment system: you can always bypass it with Apple Carplay or Android Auto, so not an issue for me.
The ID.3 looks like a toy car to me both inside and out, not an alternative.
The E- niro and Kona are boxy SUVs with poor design, not an alternative either IMO.
the kona looks awful
I drove the same 3 cars as test drive. The Citroen won for me. The Kona as an ugly silver plastic interior and a lot of noise whilst driving. The ID3 is a nice car to drive but doesn't has the comfort like the Citroen. It's all about taste!
@Whole_Ammo83 stick with the C4 then👍🏻
Huge nose,, "No front space a frounk 🤔. Why would any one buy a toxic old ice technology sad Citroën should just dump toxic fossil fuel burning stock. Glad to see Citroën going electric bit behind. Looks OK bit slow for a ev 😁👍🌈Thank you great review 😁 good to see the ban of toxic slowly coming as we all face mass extinction 🌏👍 buzzofftoxic
I have a EV but know they are no less toxic than ice technologies, you should really get your facts straight! 🙃
@@Sherukka your so wrong so wrong electric is more efficient simple long life and when we build a global renewable future for our children electric. The ban of toxic is coming the con men selling toxic fossil fuel and crap ice, cars will end, if in time before mass extinction is a real problem 😱. EV'S best of all do not burn toxic fossil locked in carbon dirty oil. Me I am on the engineering winning side. Only problem electric renewable future will not fit in to wastefully capitalism🙄🙄🙄🤔. Time for global change nonprofit green leadership #buzzofftoxic
32k for a poor handling car with noisy mirrahs not interested.
It isn't that the handling is "poor" Tom, just that it isn't the car's forte. The steering is set up to be light and easy to manoeuvre, so it's more comfortable. I'd just like to have had a bit more communication from the front, but don't think of it as a bad-handling car. As I said, as a family car, it its beautifully comfortable inside. The issue with the wind noise is only noticeable on something like an EV when you have less of the usual ambient noises to to drown it out, such as engine and transmission noise. Trust me, the Hyundai Kona Electric has a similar issue where there is a wind resonance from the wheel arches, and that is much more noticeable than the mirrors on the C4. Anyway, thank you for watching and taking the time to comment. It is very much appreciated. Bryan.
@@AutoEV A long and considered reply. deserves a response. your reviews are good even though you effervesce over the Honda. My view is what are we expecting from cars? Why do we need them at all. Clearly as human progress has been made by industrialization we need to get from affordable housing to a place of income generation. Public transport helps. However pandemics seem to be the new reality of homeworking for the educated class. So individual transport is a luxury for many and a necessary for some. As a luxury item manufacturers try to bring the latest fashion in the hope of sales. For the the real needy of transport cheap and reliable is the highest priority. personally I arranged my live to fit my needs, I can walk to the shops, use my ebike for the luxury days out and my car stays in the garage 98% of the time. Will I buy an EV in the future, Maybe for the tech and play.
@@tomquimby8669 Really interesting viewpoint, and I think you might enjoy our next video when we looked at urban mobility!
Rolls-Royce style cars are us who like to have a very comfortable and glorious life! Soft and comfy, aaaaah! 🤗
Keep pumping money into diesel then