The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said that Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one. That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Plus Cameron always went down with two submersibles in case there was an issue.
He only went down with 2 submersibles when he went to the Titanic, when he went to Challenger Deep he was alone, nonetheless he was obviously obsessive, as any person going on such a trip should be, there's no fucking around at either of those depths
What I like about Cameron is he listens to people when they talk and gives them the answers there looking for. He even goes beyond and goes into detail. I could listen to Cameron talk for hours
@thethirdrichard7787 I’ve seen all of them he did something recent too where he tried to launch a Titanic lifeboat and said it was incredibly hard and gave the crew of Titanic props for doing what they did. He wanted to see how long it took to launch one boat and see if Titanic had enough life boats could they have saved everyone. They calculated that Titanic would need 35 life boats filled with max 65 people. 35x65 is roughly 2200. To do this In 2 hours and 40 minutes they would have to get everyone in the life boats in under 5 minutes and to pull it off they have to launch each boat right after the ice berg collision not and hour later like they did in real life. Cameron said it wasn’t possible because it took almost 5 minutes just to prepare the life boat.
James Cameron is the only Hollywood celeb I know of that speaks like an engineer or a scientist. No wonder his movies are well crafted. You can see by the way he speaks, he approaches and thinks things systematically.
That makes sense because he was an engineer or studied engineering before he became a director. I could be wrong but his attention to detail when it comes to safety is immense & spoken about very highly.
I shook his hand at my university grad ceremony in which he was given an honourary degree back in early 1998, just a few months after Titanic was released and he was the king of the world.
This man not only dove 30 times on Titanic, but kept and ENTIRE crew underwater shooting a whole movie for more than 6 months, without casualties. Plus he also shot Titanic with 0 issues. This man has real experience on what he´s saying.
As an engineer, I’m surprised how knowledgeable he is. Very good explanations of materials, safety protocols and why is STUPID to put a sensor to tell you you are about to die instead of ensuring you will not previously.
And he’s been on upwards of 30 deep sea dives and created a documentary about deep sea diving. I’ve been waiting to hear from him and really glad he finally spoke out.
I'm not much of a movie buff, but I must tip my hat to James Cameron and his ability to communicate such a technical issue with such clarity. This is by far the most informative interview I've seen about this tragedy. Ten minutes well spent.
Same. This interview surprised me, I’ve never seen him talking about what is clearly his passion. It sounds like he has spent many years self educating in this niche of deep water/ deep pressure submersibles. Just knowing the pros and cons of carbon fiber in bicycles - I see what he’s talking about how different carbon fiber composite acts vs. contiguous materials like titanium, steel etc. The physics are very different, so even in a mountain bike carbon fiber is “better suited “ to some parts vs. others - and apparently external pressures and carbon fiber is a dicy proposition.😢
He actually helped some on the discovery of the Titanic, if I remember correctly. That's why I think the Titanic movie was good. Not only did it have a decent love story, the details of the ships sinking was accurate to how it was understood at the time. Even though it changed a bit, James Cameron did a correction video of the Titanic's sinking to show how he'd do it if he were to make a new Titanic movie.
His name is James, James Cameron The bravest pioneer No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? It's him, James Cameron James, James Cameron explorer of the sea With a dying thirst to be the first Could it be? Yeah that's him! James Cameron
It’s funny how his “inside source” that is “just hearsay” was clearly the US Navy, but the Navy has strict classified rules to not release the information that Cameron gave us here, so he had to pretend like the source wasn’t as good as it was. So transparent lmfao.
This was a remarkable interview. Cooper asked legitimate questions and James Cameron answered them completely and succinctly. I'm an engineer but I think he explained the problems with the submarine in a way that any intelligent interested non-engineer could understand. I've alway liked his movies but I have a new respect for him.
Cameron has given the absolute best explanation/perspective of how the tragedy happened. So many more facts that he has revealed, which were not in the original news reports. Obviously, the Titan was nowhere near being safe enough to carry humans to those depths. I also respect that Cameron did not go public with what he knew before the search had concluded. It was the proper thing to do.
Yeah well said, he explained the reason for the tragedy perfectly and he did the honorable thing not going public with it during the search even though he was confident about what happened.
@@mariusraducan1348 He spoke out to prevent another similar design being used some years before but had nothing to do with OceanGate and didnt know the details of what they were doing. It's not his responsibility in the slightest and it wouldn't have made any difference because other people said the same thing to Stockton Rush and he ignored them. His own engineer said it wasn't safe and Rush fired him. This disaster is 100% the responsibility of Stockton Rush and his criminal negligence and disregard for human life.
Cameron doesn't have a clue. Talk to an engineer that works in a research lab...not a movie director...he's another narcissist like Mush Rusk and whoever you want to cuddle up to
Stockton Rush was a Snake oil salesman. Let’s discuss this soberly. The ONLY reason Stockton Rush made a carbon fiber hull, knowing the titanium alloy hull was proven, was because it could be larger diameter. That way he could fit more people and make it a viable business venture. It was about the money, nothing more, nothing less. Because researchers and scientists had already established the method needed to be safe. That is why he didn't want SMEs and wanted younger people and didn't want it tested. He didn't want anyone getting in the way of his business hustle. And by calling the passengers crew members he avoided having to get it permitted, by the U.S. Coast Guard, to carry passengers. Greed, Greed, Greed.
I never thought about it that way, just shows who he was and to bad the people that went down with him didn’t realize that til it was probably to late.
He is on record as saying his longer term vision is to provide this same submarine technology to the oil and gas industry for oil and gas exploration He was indeed a snake oil salesman. He will not be remembered as an explorer of any sort, he will be remembered as a criminal and a murderer.
Yeah I really don’t understand how someone of his expertise pretends not to know that sphere’s have the least surface area out of all 3 dimensional shapes. Pressure gets applied equally on all sides. He might as well went down with a glass coffin instead of a rod. There are too many weaknesses in other shapes. It was definitely all about the money.
Dude goes back and forth from a top-tier Hollywood director who changed the face of film to deep sea explorer and engineer who achieved a world first in exploration - and he's an expert in *both* fields. Unreal.
Cameron's films just make money. He targets the lowest common denominator--plus he's a full-of-shit hypocrite. Threw a fit over Sigourney Weaver stripping to her underwear in ALIEN, yet had Kate Winslet drop her threads in TITANIC. Additionally, Cameron wallows in gratuitous violence. Mister Female Empowerment--but he sure loves to see women shot in the back. James 'I Understand Women' Cameron--who is on his fifth marriage. I could name many directors with less publicity who have done better stuff. The problem is that far too many people impress easily. Oh, and there have been *plenty* of directors who had secondary (and even tertiary) hobbies. It's not as if Cameron is the only director who does something other than directing.
Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud).
As an engineer I’m just as impressed with Cameron’s level of technical knowledge as I am disgusted with the blatant negligence that seems to have been involved with the design of the sub.
Indeed. I followed Industrial Sciences until I was about 18 years old, so I am not an engineer, but I definitely concur. The amount of errors that they have made are absolutely atrocious. It is not hard to see that their design would lead to failure and you definitely do not need to be an engineer to see that. A logical brain in the team would have been useful for sure..
@@klaus2913That ridiculous CEO obviously didn’t care to take safety very seriously and it’s tragic he brought along paying customers into his poorly designed, experimental death trap…
I had a friend who worked on a James Cameron film in the camera department. He told me "James knew how to do my job better than I did...and that was true for every position on the crew." He is a brilliant individual - as this interview highlights.
@@TenmaStupidity If Space was his passion he could dedicate himself to it. But he's more passionate about the sea and making movies. Why do you sound so bitter?
@@TenmaStupidity uhhh he isn't beating space x to mars because he's not trying to beat space x to mars. you went from james cameron knowing everything about filmmaking, to james cameron knowing everything about everything lmao
Hubris is the word. The people behind the Titan learned nothing from the people behind the Titanic, and now five more victims share the same graveyard.
So many people don’t realize how experienced James Cameron is in this department just because he happens to direct movies (to fund his ocean exploration). The man is an actual ocean explorer/professional and he has done a lot for the Titanic and deep sea research community. Hearing his thoughts on this is very appreciated and he’s speaking a lot of hard truths. This whole thing sounds like it could have been very preventable if the CEO had heeded the warnings and it’s just tragic.
I came here to say this. I am an ex submariner and James Cameron has done a tremendous amount of work in this area. Design building, training at deptch. He knows the subject matter better than a lot of the experts i saw on the News media.
I've known James Cameron as a master director/producer, but I'm completely floored by the level of his knowledge in engineering and material science. It shows in his dedication to learn and understand every facet and detail of the things he did. What a guy.
@@marcosbatista1029 I read that he studied Physics and English in college, not engineering. He never practiced as an engineer before going into filmmaking. But if you mean he thinks and studies like an engineer? Absolutely!!
Me too, when I first saw he was commenting , I thought what does a movie producer know about? It's like " I'm not a doctor but, I played one once" Boy, was I wrong he knows plenty.
I’m so impressed. James Cameron is not just a Hollywood player. He is phenomenal in explaining what may have happened. I didn’t know he was an experienced deep sea diver. I wish the Titan owner had listened to him.
"false hopes that kept getting dangled" he is a craftsman with his words as well, very well said. Also the balls of Cameron to dive alone in a confined space to a depth 3 times that of the Titanic, what an incredible human.
As an aerospace engineer, I am quite impressed by the general engineering knowledge Mr. Cameron has shown in this interview. Very correctly and neatly explained for everyone.
Then you'd better stick to airplanes. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud).
@@danielgregg2530he has to dumb down his talking for a tv audience, the interviewer was clearly out of his depth with some of the questions as well. Also did you not see the one man sub footage from challenger deep? I have no doubt he completely understands the inner workings of that submersible.
@@danielgregg2530 Cameron explained it in a concise manner that is easy for the general public to understand and digest given the constrained time frame he had. A talent that comes from extensive experience of the field in question. The fact that he has completed more dives to the Titanic than most viewers here have years under the sun is telling enough. You should also look up his contributions to both deep sea exploration, as well as space exploration. He has contributed to a quite number of patents in both fields. He piloted the Challenger, which he also helped design. Cameron has already definitively proven himself an expert in this field, you have nothing tangible but words to compare. To me, you just sound like an average "trust me guys, I'm an expert" andy with a bloated, if fragile ego. "If you can't explain it to a six year old, then you don't understand it yourself." -Albert Einstein.
@@Nick-rs5if You're full of it. He didn't explain anything. He doesn't understand it himself. You're just a hero-worshipping geek who doesn't understand it either.
I’ve watched a lot of interviews on this event and everyone always circles around the questions. I left those videos feeling like I gained no information. James was straight to the point and very informative. Average people with no knowledge of this stuff can actually get an understanding by the way he words and explains things.
Agreed. Extremely informative. The one other question I would have liked to been covered is WHY anyone would want to use composites for a sub hull. Aircraft make perfect sense. You want them light and strong. With subs, I don't see why any designer would want to make it lighter. Too heavy to lift out of the water when the mission is done? Engineer a stronger crane. The last thing you'd want is to compromise the only space your life is dependent upon.
@@dahawk8574 Price, availability, scalability and ease of construction/logistics. Yes, if all of the above were irrelevant, you would never go for a composite hull, let alone a carbon fibre one. But if they are "good enough" under this pretense, then maybe you would...maybe. Keep in mind that this was an attempt to finance independent (!) basic research with private capital (and despite the obvious oversights and safety concerns regarding this particular endevaour i think that´s a neat thing in general - it´s one way to let the wealthy actually give something back to society without introducing certain moments of conflict of interest and skewing of results). You need to tighten quite a few screws to make that a self-sufficient idea. In this case they overdid it and/or looked at the wrong (despite most obvious) screws in the first place while also throwing out plenty of safety concerns in the name of the stated mission goal and progress. Well, at least they helped to generate valuable data in the process one way or another.
Listening to him speak reminds me of how my attending surgeons spoke during residency training. Intelligent, no-nonsense, straight forward logic. Lives are at stake, take no risks, no shortcuts, and always be prepared for the worst.
The fact that even James own Submersible Took 7 years, Dozens of test, and him being there every step of the way, and getting every detail he could to near perfection. Tells us, He completely understands the risk, Knows not to cut corners, and test out everything as much as possible. The fact the CEO was warned multiple times, cut corners, and wouldn't get it certified tells us. He didn't care and just wanted things his way. This could have been avoided, if he just tried not to have his Ego boosted.
Cameron's submersible was also a one-man vessel. It couldn't carry passengers and he wouldn't allow anyone to put themselves in danger other than himself or the chief design engineer who both knew every detail of the vessel and the risks involved.
Mind blown that James Cameron is so knowledgeable with physics and engineering and yet has directed one of the most critically acclaimed films amongst other successful films. Multifaceted
Film making is a super technical craft, especially when you creates films at a large scale utilising the kind of technology that he employs. It is rare that someone is so technical and also really creative.
Dude and his staff engineered the revolutionary camera tech used in avatar which is now used all over the place. He’s a polymath and innovator (he is who Stockton Rush was pretending to be) but does have a fat ego.
This was hands down the best interview/ segment I've seen since this whole thing began. It was obvious Mr. Cameron knows what he is talking about and he did not sugar coat things.
A former navy sub captain also was interviewed and he was very blunt about it. The news anchor had asked if there were efforts to recover the bodies. The captain said that was a pointless endeavor as there wouldn’t be much left. The human body can’t survive the instant 400x normal pressure. Not a pretty thought
This is why the so-called mainstream media is far superior to all those Podcasters and UA-camrs, who have no idea what they’re talking about… Real journalist, talking to real experts…
I appreciate his bluntness, no need to sugarcoat the absurdity of this accident. My earnest prayers to the family. Some accidents are completely and totally avoidable. I pray the deaths were quick and no suffering.
In its entirety he said; “You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. “At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question.”
It still doesn't make sense though... James said through the sub communities, forums, and reddit threads they knew a carbon composite material was extremely risky... And will fail eventually. So why use that material at all in the first place?
@@ADM-wt9cnprobably cheaper. The CEO literally used stuff from generic stores for materials. He made multiple bad decisions and now unfortunately others lost their lives. So sad
@@nananichole Wow I did read that too WILD.... For such extreme conditions the thought of using anything but the best of the best materials baffles me.. RIP regardless though. Horrible ending.
He should go back to college and finish. He dropped out. He is no scientist or doctor. I don't know why they are bringing him to comment. Get someone who at least completed a bachelor's degree.
James is being brutally honest, but speaks with real knowledge and experience - which is exactly the sort of rigour this industry needs and probably what Ocean Gate didn’t want to hear
Sadly from the emails released, the CEO was very much the 'didn't want to hear' kind of person - quote: "We have heard the baseless cries of 'you are going to kill someone' way too often"... Extremely unfortunate for the others aboard.
That's what i want to hear when dealing with serious life threading stuff. Direct, honest, and brutally to the point. "You're going to die down there.." That's a big NOPE from me then! Thanks Mr Cameron!
@@BoxCoverArt so, you're not able to separate the director from the explorer? I get it. It's so disparate! However, he's done more exploration than directing... regardless, feel free to disagree, but don't do so without reason or facts pls
As an engineer I greatly appreciated James Cameron's comments which are the best I've seen on the Titan's failure. Essentially it was a flawed project carried out by an "adventurer", not a responsible qualified professional.
Rush was no-doubt a brilliant engineer. But one often neglected component of intelligence is humility. He was a know-it-all and would not heed his peers unless he agreed with them. A wise man will yield to his peers when his peers agree with eachother, even if he himself cannot reproduce their reasoning.
Ya.. As I said in another comment there, the CEO was so derelict in his responsibilities that he essentially committed a murder-suicide.They are some strong words but as you probably know, this was destined to fail. It was only a matter of when not if.
To be fair, with the number of dives to the Titanic, there was bound to be an accident at some point, no matter how well built any sub is/was. Just like the Challenger rocket disaster in 1986. Accidents happen. There’s always a chance of death.
Wow! He's a genius and so articulate. He managed to call out Ocean Gate's poor engineering and business practices without being insensitive to the situation! What an inspiring human being..
I worked with high pressure (>2000 bar) vessel testing for many years. Cameron is both highly knowledgeable, to an unexpectedly high level actually, and totally right. I would never go near that vessel even with it standing on dry land.
It's so incredible James went down 3x deeper than the Titanic in a sub manned by himself ! James Cameron is an incredible man outside of filming the biggest movies ever.
Manned by himself and there was just him onboard. In another interview he said that even if it could have carried a passenger he would never have allowed it because it would have been completely wrong to put their life at risk. He knew the vessel inside and out and could make an informed risk analysis based on the safety of the submersible and the operating procedures.
I heard that too. That is Incredible. I am not sure if that is true. If it is true then Mr. James Cameron's Submersible is designed very well. He also mentioned Challenger Deep. We know the Titanic is resting on the upper Slope at about 12865 feet. Then comes the Slope Rise and then the Basin and then the Trenches. Challenger Deep is in the Mariana Trench. The Deepest Point of Earth's Oceans is 35756 feet or 10898 Meters. It is hard to believe that James Cameron made up to this point because the pressure here is about 1050 pounds per square inch. OceanGate Submersible was designed to safely explore to a depth of 12500 to 13000 feet as it was designed for 6000 pounds per square inch of outside pressure. Perhaps once in the Trenches, the Submersible was under some other law of physics or something.
The last line is terrifying to think of. Everyone else has been trying to paint a picture of how it was instant and they felt no pain and while that was true at the moment of implosion there is a very good chance they knew what was going to happen moments before it occurred. CEOs legacy will now forever be how negligence killed 5 people.
I spent a good amount of my life on submarines, basically all of my 20s and I’m 100% confident they knew the hull was failing before the implosion actually occurred. The carbon fiber would’ve been creaking and cracking loudly, so there’s no way they made it down there and had a sudden failure. They absolutely would’ve known beforehand. Horrific way to die.
I feel so awful for that 19 year old kid who was already terrified to be going down there. Wish to god he’d listened to his instincts instead of his father. 😢
@@afauxican_american Yes, as they initiated an emergency ascent. But it might have been just a few seconds. Structures like this will break apart at exponential speed.
But how many of the 5 on board knew? Surely the experts like the owner Stockton knew, the moment they dropped the emergency weights. I wonder if he let on to the Dawoods that it was an emergency procedure and that they would be ‘returning to the surface’, knowing truly they were all going to die imminently.
Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.
@@danielgregg2530James Cameron has gone deeper than almost anyone else alive. You are a no name YT commenter that hasn’t done anything half as impressive as Cameron even if your story isn’t a lie. I’m taking his word over yours any day of the week.
@@Whoa802 It's the other way around. I have multiple professional degrees, flown airplanes, qualified in nuclear submarines, tried a lawsuit against a nationally famous lawyer (who then asked me to work for him -- three times), pulled any number of rabbits out of hats for various clients. I survived an alligator attack (in the water). Cameron can do two things, and very mediocrely. His movies do not begin to compare with the great ones: John Ford, David Lean, Billy Wilder, Carol Reed, Stanley Kramer, Stanley Kubrick, Elia Kazan, and on and on and on. The other thing he does is spend gobs of money that mediocre audience members like you give him. He's just an arrogant, pontificating ass with a gift for entertaining the dull-witted. Your hero-worship of such a figure is something you might consider talking to a therapist about.
I had no idea James Cameron is basically a pro at this. I thought he was called to give his two cents since he created the Titanic movie, little did I know that he's done those kinds of underwater trips multiple times and has his own submersible. Hats off to you JC.
Like others here I’m really impressed with this interview. I know James Cameron has visited the Titanic site many times but I forgot or didn’t know he was such an innovator and expert in this field. Great explanation.
@@elevenzoo3783 Cameron made 33 visits to the resting site of the Titanic. In a 2013 marine scientific journal, it was noted that James Cameron is also responsible for discovering four new deep sea species in the deepest seabed of the world.
Check out the Australian 60 minutes segment when they followed him to challenger deep He said if he was in low earth orbit and in trouble he had more chance of surviving until rescue than the depths he was attempting
Its amazing that the guy, Rush would do this. The weakness was obvious. Cameron explained it in a minute. Carbon Fiber has its uses, but not for deep diving. The biggest parts they found of the Titan are the two titanium ends. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what part failed, even if it was the under-rated glass window. All DSV submersibles have a common design, a personal sphere that holds 1~3 people. The O2 and systems are INSIDE the sphere. With the titan, it looks like it might of been the opposite. They were very proud of their ONE button (ON/OFF switch?) and 1-2 touch screens and a couple of $30 game controllers for 2010. That's everything wrong in design, and that's also what we see in SpaceX and their crew capsules. Designed for looks before function. Amazingly, the Titan lasted as long as it did. It could have failed any number of times before with anything below a few hundred meters would have meant death for the people inside. Also amazing that a billionaire would BE SO CHEAP in making his own vehicle that he himself would be in. "I have a huge bank account. But you know what, I'd rather spend $50 for a component rather than $500. I'm too cheap to spend $25,000 for a new blackbox or $3000 for a used on - "just in case.". The design was to fail, with Rush and his company lying to themselves and their customers about the design defects. When they LIED about "NASA is involved" with their sub, that's a huge red flag.
I had to pause for a minute because James Cameron gives the viewers so much information necessary to understand and visualize what they are dealing with in just a matter of minutes. Such expertise
I think the lesson here is pretty clear. Aerospace engineering is not the same as submersible engineering. While they share core engineering principles, you can't simply take the solutions used in aviation and plop it in the ocean.
Everything needs to be properly designed and tested regardless of the material. Composites are only used in aerospace after many thousands of hours of calculations, validations, testing, and they undergo a great deal of monitoring once in service. Aerospace uses some of the smallest safety factors of any engineering precisely because they spend so much time trying to understand their loading and the material's response to it. If OceanGate took the same approach, they likely would have spent more time analysing it and discovered their design was not appropriate.
@@wolfie54321 The proof is in the pudding. You can analyze and conclude anything on paper but .. Just look at the cars that would be self driving. Not in the real world.
@@cumbaja3456 Cars can potentially become self driving. It's only a matter of time and the right solution. It will probably take longer to reach Level 4 than it did for Level 3, but I have no dount it will happen. Especially given the acceleration of research into AI/ML which is in no small part driven by the desire to automate driving going forward.
@@mnomadvfx I believe composite parts are not used in fatigue-critical parts in aerospace either. Someone correct if wrong. So this probably was just bad engineering plain and simple.
I do mechanical engineering, and what Mr Cameron said here is what I've been saying for the last couple of days. CFRP tube is amazing in tension (if the pressure comes from the inside), terrible under compression (if the pressure comes from the outside), plus very real issues with how it attached to the titanium end cones.
@@jetuber Two different materials with different temperature coefficients, plus any non-solid assembly is a week point - and a cylinder is infinitely weaker than a sphere. A few years ago an earlier version of the Titan made “a lot of noises” when they took it to 4,000 meters outside Hawaii, the now passed CEO said, they tried to fix it but issue still there, lots of cycle fatigue - then they used an aerospace company for the CFRP tube and I guess thought it worked now - but it will never work for this purpose, will delaminate with cycles.
yup, and the fact that it can be brittle and fractures when broken is not good. I follow enough aviation and motorsports to know what happens to CF. Also, I heard they forgoed doing scans on the hall and used some sort of acoustic method. I've inspected other devices for delamaination in the past and can say it's pain in the ass but neccesarry.
That fool should have used titanium for hull proven durability. He compared war general to breaking rules in war, to mathematics and engineering no you can break rules when it comes to that
@@jetuber Virgin Oceanic have a single person sub with this design (the one mentioned in the video that he was competing with for the Mariana Trench dive), they originally wanted to do 5 dives. it was pressure tested, found out that it could only do 1 dive then its useless so it was shelved. the tech already existed, had been tested, and was found to be unsuitable.
Words of wisdom from someone who has "been there, done that" the Titanic and Challenger deep. Condolences and prayers to the families of those who perished on the Titan.
Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.
What really broke my heart tonite was reading that the 19 year old didn't want to go...he was scared. His aunt said his dad was "obsessed with the Titanic" and he basically went to support him. 😢💔🙏
Yea and I’m sure when that thing was about to break apart and they started to hear it like James said at the end of this interview, he had to be looking at his son knowing what was about to happen RIP.
I don’t care how bright, smart or interested any 19yr old would be in the titanic I don’t think any of them would want to go down to the bottom of the ocean at that age to explore so I truly believe he did it only for his dad. He definitely trusted his dad, this company, the crew etc and was hoping for the best. Unfortunately his life was taken, I feel so bad for that baby boy!
James Cameron's explanation helped me immensely to understand what actually happened and why. I am not familiar with submersibles by any means so I thank him for aiding me in comprehending the mechanics and science behind this incredibly sad failure. My heart broke to learn that the 19 year old son was terrified to do the excursion but did it for his dad because it was Father's Day. You don't forget a story like this. With sincere condolences for the lives lost and to the family and friends left behind. May it remind us all how precious life is. Stay safe everyone. ❤
Another family friend says that may not be true. That if the son had expressed concerns, there was no way his dad would not have listened to him and considered his fears.
So damn refreshing to hear someone actually speaking truth and facts!! No watered down or sugar coating! Ive always been a huge fan of James not only for his great movies but his knack to speak exactly whats on his mind, good or bad
To say they may have heard the hull failing brings tears to my eyes, because I know how horrified I would feel if I was in that chamber under water with no hope of being able to get back to the surface in time. I'm sure they felt no pain due to how fast the implosion would be once the hull gave way, but the seconds before that I would just close my eyes and pray that God forgives me for all my indiscretions.
@@stanislouse4168ehhhh noooo. You know when you bend over and hang your head down??? You feel all that pressure??? Just imagine that but way worse and being crushed on top of it
Anderson makes a good point. One big difference between Cameron- who gave proper attention to the durability and safety of his own craft- is that when Cameron did his dives, _he didn't take on _*_passengers._* So Stockton Rush not only chose to take big risks with his design, but by inviting tourists onboard, he had them share those risks while they paid him.
This whole thing strikes me as an underwater Fyre Festival. A once-in-a-lifetime experience marketed to the wealthy and with an exorbitant price tag, but it’s still run on a shoe-string. I’m no subject matter expert, but $1 million revenue per dive (four paying passengers plus one crew) does not seem like enough to fund this properly, so they cut corners and it all goes to hell.
Cameron described it so well: Laminated wound carbon fibre make excellent vessels to withstand pressure from inside because there is a pulling force on these extremely strong fibres. However pressure from outside of such a vessel is like pushing the ends of a string closer together, the string goes limp. This does not happen with steel or titanium..
tension loading vs compression loading. This has been known since fiber/matrix composite materials were invented. So many engineers along the path of making this vessel happen and not one spoke up? There's a picture of the "tube" on a filament winding machine as it was being made. Did the vendor not offer this is not a good idea for an underwater vessel subject to extremely high compression loads? Or did they simply make the customer sign a hold harmless waiver warning of possible death?
@@buckmurdock2500 in the picture of it being winded on the metal tube, is the tube kept as part of of the sub? Like ~127mm of carbon then 10mm of titanium thick. If it is, I wonder about the problem of different thermal expansion rates of the materials as well. ~3 meters of carbon vs titanium expanding, what would be the difference over the sub being in 30 degrees on land vs the deep ocean.
Much respect to James Cameron for a very fascinating and elightening analysis on this tragedy. One of the most intelligent and reasoned takes I've seen so far.
The interviewer should have cut James off after 2mins of him speaking Anderson - " yeah thats cute James and all, but can we talk about Terminator 2 now ? James - " Sure we had to cast the T1000 almost before anyone else because of the time it took back then to create CGI some of the effects in the film when he walks through the bars at the hospital was actually done in mid 1990 way before we even finished shooting the entire film in 1991 etc. etc.
He's an expert in this field. Designed a sub and went to the Mariana Trench with it. If anyone who's qualified to give us some expert angle on this, it's him.
Kudos to the interviewer, who's very good at his job, but my goodness, James Cameron is a very, very clever man. He explains things in clear and simple terms. And then, for a brief moment, you sense the wealth of knowledge that sits behind that.
@@tommy.vercetti2003 06:35 Cameron explains exactly why the composite material used in the external structure degraded over time which resulted in the demise of the crew. To claim he is mad is sophistry and should be considered as trolling.
If you are interested in something and read about it, increase your knowledge of the subject and test theories and theses, do experiments, exchange information with others, confirm information and check sources then you don't need any studies or need to be a scientist to be an expert in something. Studies are needed to get a paper to be employed somewhere.
@@NocnaGlizda not being a d!ck, but what you described falls under "study." You are correct, though - you can do all that and not pay for it for a piece of paper to prove that you are worthy of a paycheck. I have a non-paying hobby that can be dangerous, but I've read many books on the subject, participated in forums where experts hang out and pass on their knowledge, and read as much online as I could possibly find before even going hands on. Work smart, learn from others' mistakes, and LISTEN to people that know more than you do - that's my takeaway.
@@blackcatpgh13 while u are right most of study fields are utter garbage nowdays, its systematic teaching for passing the test and exams, while that is still required to know smth it still has many disatvantages like being able to pass by simplu learing stuff on memory instead of understanding it, in fact most of the world works like this, personally i hated this shit, like I WANT TO KNOW WHY I AM LEARNING THIS if the answer is you are going to need it to pass the exam then am out, thats why when you see ppl who are intrested in a topic they always do it as a hobby.
@@blackcatpgh13 I think his point was simply to say that calling James Cameron a "non-scientist" is incorrect. He was venturing beyond what was common knowledge or what could be taught in a school or whatever.... so his lack of some kind of formal education on the subject is irrelevant/a contradiction. He was busying "writing the textbook" in a manner of speaking. And I think his comment basicaly was saying that you don't need to be "knighted" with a PHD or whatever by a college to be a scientist, you need only use the scientific method which Cameron did. But I of course understand what the other guy was saying. Cameron didn't start off as some kinda scientist that then ventured deeper into the field. He had a career doing something else which he was well known for and successful at and then became a successful scientist too. Which is exactly right. Cameron is an intelligent badass. It comes across in his scripts. Nobody dumb makes a good movie. Not a truly good movie, at least not as many times as he has. But just one of his good movies are far superior that most. There are exceptions. Dumb people can make good movies... Zack Snyder, for example. He made 2 good movies, but he also didn't write them and basically just copied source material frame by frame. 300 was a comic and The Watchmen was a comic. Smart people can make shitty movies too. But as a general rule it stands ha
If he only was the man who went the deepest inside our planet, that would be extraordinary enough. But on top of that he's the most successful director in the history of cinema. What a life this man has lived.
James truly understands the risk and reward aspect. This combined with consideration and intelligence makes him one of a kind. I would imagine the last idea he would have is to commercialize such a dangerous endeavor.
James is known to be very demanding and exact in his films. This is partly exhibited in the almost obsessive attention to detail in Titanic and the Avatar movies. That said, he's also not willing to ask someone to do something that he himself wouldn't be willing to do.
The mark of a true expert. It was Richard Feynman who said one needs to be able to explain a topic to a child before they can be considered an expert in the field
He's been making blockbuster movies for half a century making stupid shit believable for low IQ idiots, you are astonished that he can tell a fact based story in a clear and concise way.....why?
James Cameron said earlier that he was invited a few times by the owner of OceanGate and Stockton Rush to dive down in the sub with them and he declined each time. Says a lot about what he thought of their entire operation.
These passengers put faith in this company that they would be able to safely witness a site that has captivated the world for years. How absolutely terrifying it is to hear James Cameron say that the weights were dropped to ascend back up because they must have heard the vessel being compromised. The immense fear and desperation they must've felt in those last moments is unimaginable!!
And the worst thing is, at that depth, there was nothing they could do. They hear the sounds of something wrong and then they're dead because of the immense pressure. The next thing they saw was everybody in the dance hall of the Titanic, welcoming them onboard.
For what it's worth - I believe the kind of people who take risks like that are eternal optimists. If a large bang was heard, I don't think they would immediately panic assuming they were about to die. If they had time to initiate an ascent then that also means they reason to believe they could surface and reach safety. I am projecting my own personality a little bit here but I think it make sense. I have a risky hobby and have been in a situation where I fell about 20m while climbing and for all that time (which feels like eternity) I wasn't thinking I'm about to die, I was just patiently waiting for the fall to end.
@@aspzxyeah but what about that young man who didn’t even want to go and did it just to please his father for Father’s Day? They weren’t explorers and were sold a lie, and that kid didn’t even want to go but trusted his father… that’s the most heart wrenching thing about this AND if they were worried they were going too fast dropping weights then they knew something bad could have happened and I can’t even imagine how terrified that young man was, with nowhere to go nothing to do but disintegrate. It enrages me.
To Mr. Cameron's credit, though he knew what he knew, he kept his thoughts on this tragedy close to his chest until the ship's loss was 100% confirmed.
As a submariner, the very idea of only relying on acoustic sensors to detect hull integrity an absolutely insane idea. Anyone who has ever looked into submersibles would know that it only requires a very small amount of damage to cause an issue. At that depth, any type of mistake will provoke a near instantaneous implosion. At those depths, there are no fixable problems when it comes to the pressure hull. Very likely the acoustic sensors detected the issue (Cameron said that it would be delamination), they were near the target depth, they dropped ballast, but then they had likely a several minute climb still under extreme pressure to reach the surface. There was simply no way that those sensors were anything other than a false security blanket.
composites fail catastrophically . that's well known. same with composites rebar. it's stronger than steel but will fail catastrophically with only 2% stretch . steel will do 10 % or more .
It’s so refreshing to see someone famous like Cameron being interviewed by mainstream media talking so deeply and technically about a topic he knows well.
James Cameron explained very well why composite is bad for underwater operations and ductile materials should be used. Very informative for lay people. In all other interviews people were giving very generic reasons. As an engineer I truly appreciate he understands the reason of failures for different types of materials and their endurance.
@nexx456 He had to make a ton of trips down there when he filmed his famous documentary film Ghosts of The Abyss. There's only so much oxygen that a small sub like the one he regularly traveled in can carry especially for deep sea trips that far.
James Cameron is so involved in that issue!I admire his atitude towards the tragic event,but also his concerns expressed right from the start. A brilliant director and such an emphatic person!❤
Just devastating. Aside from the pilot (and I don't feel anything but sadness for), the crew had no idea what they were in for. No man brings his 19 year old son on a trip he didn't think was safe. They believed the company knew what they were doing. Just heartbreaking.
Because the Titan submersible reached the Titanic wreckage 2 times successfully, so the passengers ignored all the risks and just relied on the 2 previous successful expeditions. Did you know that the UK billionaire, Hamish Harding descended into the Marianna Trench successfully? The Marianna Trench is 3 times deeper than the Titanic crash site. But now he is dead because he relied so much on the CEO and the 2 previous successful expeditions.
James Cameron said that the carbon fiber didn't work all the time because the material degraded so fast and way faster than the steel. He said that is why the Titan worked before by reaching the Titanic site 2 times, but this time it failed due to implosion.
@@tuanngnt right, and the passengers never would have known something like this. most people wouldn't. and cameron was excellent at explaining it in simple terms.
@@miraak8523”LOL” glad you laughed out loud over a tragedy their families on land don’t find funny. Keep laughing for the dead like we all know you will. I guess you’re fair game. When one of your family members die we can all laugh our asses off. Being on the receiving end sucks. “LOL”
James is absolutely correct and I applaud him for being openly critical of Ocean Gate and honestly downright pissed off at the lack of adhesion to known processes and safety protocols that ended up getting 5 people killed.
As he was explaining how the material used was typically good for internal pressure instead of external, it reminded me of a scene from Futurama where their spaceship got dragged deep into the ocean. When asked how much atmospheric pressures the craft could take, the professor said, "well it's a spaceship, so between 0 and 1" as water begins to burst through the hull.
@@billymadison8574 , I don't know mate, I'm a poor working class pleb so I'm not exactly perusing the market for such explorations, but what I do know is that if £200,000 couldn't assure my safety then I wouldn't bother, or at least consider paying considerably more for the privilege to ensure that safety. Because it sounds like they blindly entrusted their lives to greedy cowboys in exchange for a relative dime. Money brings power and connections. Having seen Jim Cameron do it safely decades ago on a DVD documentary of the Titanic (yes, there are always risks, but it sounds like in this particular case of the Titan that it was a disaster waiting to happen), I'd have at least used my wealth to first reach out to those with experience of doing it successfully on numerous occasions before, not pay almost a quarter of a million (a lot for many people, nothing to billionaires) to a money grubbing company clearly more interested in making a quick buck from your deep cofffers than assuring your safety.
Absolutely can't blame him for being pissed. PH Nargeolet was a longtime friend of his, and now he's dead because of the gross negligence that went into building this sub.
Really enjoyed the full interview tonight. James Cameron is extremely intelligent and I love that he did his due diligence. I have even more respect and admiration for him.
Ah, no. He is trying to fake it and failing abjectly. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.
Respect. James Cameron is not only a Hollywood director, but, no kidding, the guy knows his engineering. I am no expert but I understand what he said. Clear, direct, logical, no BS explanation. RIP to the 5 and my condolences to their families.
Sure, but I would like to hear from the other side. I don't see how a team of engineers can design a submersible out of "completely inappropriate material".
@@garethhanby not all engineers are good engineers💁♂️. That is why its so important to have someone with a good engineering background and a good bullshit detector as the boss. This CEO was a shitty person and deserved to be crushed like he was.
@@garethhanby "The other side" was pretty much one guy who insisted, despite protest from his own colleagues, that he was making a catastrophic error. He's dead now.
Aerospace engineer here with experience in composite over-wrapped pressure vessel (COPV) design. Cameron explained the issue with carbon fiber in an external pressure application perfectly. On the submersible, OceanGate used carbon fiber from a company called Toray who manufactures carbon fiber with resin already impregnated or “pre-preg”. Even in aerospace where this material is used frequently to build COPVs, winding the prepreg fiber onto the pressure vessel is an incredibly complex process and very difficult to achieve high quality AND repeatability due to carbon fiber’s anisotropy (different mechanical properties in different directions). Delamination (where the fiber becomes undone) and voids between the tank and fiber or between fiber layers can occur and in the submersible application, could potentially trap air. On top of that the pressure cycling from 14.7 PSI to ~6,000 psi and back could not be good at all for that carbon fiber. In 2016, the liner of a COPV stored in the LOX tank of a SpaceX Falcon 9 buckled and created a void which either created solid oxygen or ingressed liquid oxygen which ignited with friction causing the rocket to explode during a routine static fire, destroying the AMOS-6 satellite. Falcon 9 had been flying for ~6 years up to that point so that is an example of how tricky COPVs could be. What’s more, is that this particular COPV on a nominal Falcon 9 flight experiences an external pressure due to the LOX tank being pressurized however that pressure is nowhere near the 6,000 PSI experienced at the depths of the Titanic. EDIT: Grammar checks
What detail? There's never been a specific criticism leveled by anyone. It's all vague opinion. Let's see some engineering drawings, material specs, something, anything that can be used for independent evaluation.
@@Thunder-acro Are you drooling while LYFAO? Because you just used the argument from authority logical fallacy, which goes like this: "This is an expert, therefore what he says is true" Nope. Not how it works. The so called expert still has to back his claims with evidence, something Cameron has refused to do.
@@klocke-hx3xl You can watch videos of this sub being made, showing clearly that they don't know what they are doing. And that's just from a construction point of view, not even going into the details of all things wrong with the design, and the approach taken.
@@patrikfloding7985 Now back your claim. Link a video, pinpoint a specific operation, material, part, I don't care, something, anything, make your criticism, and back it with evidence. Not subjective opinion. Evidence. We both know that's never going to happen. You're just going to believe what you're going to believe. Even if the craft was badly designed and built, that wouldn't change the amount of pure bullshite and delusional thinking surrounding this event. That's what has got me so thoroughly disgusted. There is no certification agency or regulations pertaining to experimental deep sea diving vessels. And yet, all the talking heads are play pretending there is one because they know no one watching gives a crap if it's true or a lie.
Pity that doesn't translate to happy marriages. Cameron has yet to master the most important skill: how to be a decent fucking human being. If you're in the dark about Cameron's reputation for being a prick, pull your head from the sand.
I had no idea that James Cameron was so accomplished and had such varied interests. He designed and built his own submersible. How impressive is that? In addition to his other not too shabby gig of being one of the best filmmakers ever. What a remarkable guy. He's lived a rich life.
I mean you'd think Avatar "The Way of Water" made it pretty clear that he had love for the water, it's what inspired that movie and his reason for writing that story.
The man use to go to the USC Library and make copies of Doctoral dissertations and Master's studies on electrical engineering, camera technology, filmmaking, physics, etc. when he was a truck driver in his early 20's! The man is extremely sharp and self-motivated!
You can tell he is doing the rounds because he cares so deeply about this industry. He wants to spread awareness. He also clearly regrets not speaking up more, and will not make the same mistake twice.
SpaceX dumped using carbon fibre as pressure vessels after two rockets exploded. Yet it's fine to use as a Submarine in extreme pressure environments. It's no secret carbon fibre has problems under pressure but don't let that stop a Titanic sightseeing tour
And that's saying something since theoretically, carbon fibers would be better suited for space since you're working with higher internal pressure rather than external. Altough the differentials at play are quite different so I dont think the issues were the same.
Carbon Fibre pressure vessels holding INTERNAL pressure are actually a good design. SpaceX stopped using them because first they are very expensive (a couple of orders of magnitude compared to simple steel) and hard to work with. And second they don't work well in cryogenic temperatures nor in high temperatures. Steel looks weird material for a spaceship, but steel works well with both heat and cold. So you can remove all the cooling/heating systems and it ends up both lighter and cheaper. Carbon Fibre for holding external pressure- that's quite different though.
carbon fibre is good in tension and terrible in compression. Which is why it actually works great for internal pressure and terrible for external pressure which you face under the ocean.
Internal pressure =/= external pressure. Those pressure vessels are designed to keep a highly pressurised substance (fuel) from escaping, not the ocean from crushing the vessel. Design in these cases is also as much to do with hull support structure (cross bracing etc) as there is to do with the material itself.
My respect for this man just went up to the highest level possible. No judgment or condescension in his words or tone. Very knowledgeable, calm and empathetic. Now I know why everyone admires him.
Wow… so James Cameron is not just a filmmaker, but also a deep sea explorer, a submarine engineer & an innovator too? Impressive indeed! This explains his fascination with the ocean & water themed movies! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
No wonder Avatar was so engaging, he ‘gets’ world creation. He also made an excellent documentary about going down to the deep ocean. And I think he has gone deeper than anyone else ever, 11k feet (or is it meters?). The titanic is only 5k deep.
he is such a multitalented hardworking man , I also read somewhere that he drew all the sketches which were shown to be made by jack in titanic , just shows his accumen in vastly different fields !
This was the definitive interview on this tragedy. Cameron is the “real deal” when it comes to advanced general knowledge and advanced managerial skills. Kudos to Cooper and his staff.👍🥇🏆
Everyone reported that it was standard to lose connection when it dove, that’s why the main ship didn’t make any calls until they didn’t come back 9 hours later
I'm not an expert, but it was clear even to me. I didn't buy that 'sounds' thing at all. It was all commercial tripe keeping the audience hooked for higher viewer scores and more advertisement income.
But they could never say - "Well we're pretty sure it imploded, and the occupants are deceased...soooo... where not going to bother to search for them..." Everyone had to go through the motions... just in the 1 a trillion chance it did not implode and they were still alive... But you are absolutely, 100 percent correct. They all new it, couldn't really do anything else but to carry on until the 96 hour window expired.
Never thought he has this level of ‘obsession’ with deep water exploration to the point he made his own sub.. that’s surely the big reason why titanic become so classically great movie.. he made it with his heart head and soul… 🤍🔥
James Cameron knows what he's talking about. This isn't just one of the greatest filmmakers of all-time. This isn't just a man who made an Oscar-winning movie about the Titanic. He's made countless real-life deep sea trips to not only the Titanic site itself but even the Mirianas Trench as well. James is so obsessively detail-oriented that he went over every possible every imaginable scenario with the engineers who built his submersibles countless times before making his deep sea trips.
I was literally watching Terminator 2 the other night and was marveling at how well it was directed and how it's stood the test of time. Then I watch this interview and how Cameron talks with such non arrogant expertise about a completely unrelated field and it makes me think that are some incredible people in this world. RIP to the dead.
Very well said. I'm a mechanical engineer with decades lasting interest in submersibles and I can see he has a lot of knowledge and first hand experience.
Then you know you can't directly mate titanium to carbon fiber sheeting in the manner this craft did without eventual failure. There is too much dissimilar thermal expansion between the mated surfaces. Hell its common knowledge in some circles.
@@kennethbranson4711 Often you can mitigate the problem ef thermal expansion by the design. Metals and carbon composites are commonly used together, i. e. In aviation, so while being an obstacle it is probably possible to make a sound design from the two different materials. The problem could be in the weak interlayer bounding forces, which is no issue when the forces are stretching the composite, but may cause delamination when compressed. I think that is what was Mr. Cameron pointing out. Of course many other scenarios are still possible, like the one you've mentioned, poor join details, underrated components such as windows (as someone claimed, rated to pressure of much smaller depth) , etc. Designing submarines and submersibles is extremely serious and expensive business and especially when it comes too deep diving, which can be compared to space projects. People who know how expensive are components in aviation industry may have some idea how crazy expensive should be components of such a submersible. Ripping an X-box apart for a controller does not exactly make an impression of proper development. It seems this company did not take it as seriously as they should have been...
@ckots460 are you serious? masks have been used way before covid, its not a covid mask its a mask probably used because thinking about it makes Nora sick
Carbon fiber reacts differently in colder temps. For instance a buddy of mine moved to Alaska and was working at a cannery in Kodiak Alaska. After work he noticed in mid winter there were King salmon schooling near the dock. Next day he brought his carbon fiber fishing pole to work and went fishing and snagged a King and didn't want to spend alot've time landing it. He tightened the drag down on his reel and caused his fishing pole to bend until it exploded into dust and all that was left were the metal eyes that guide the line. The fish snapped the line and was gone. The sub had carbon fiber that failed under intense pressure and extreme cold. While still on the drawing board was a death trap.
I've not been a fan of Anderson Cooper, but I think he did really well in this interview. The fact that he told Cameron that he was unclear about operations and technical matters went really far with me... he showed true curiosity to elicit information that would be useful to viewers.
I'm a machinist/precision metal worker with 28 years on the bench building everything from Aerospace to telecommunications parts. I knew immediately apon hearing Titan had a carbon fiber body that it was catastrophic failure and that it was due to improper material selection. It's really sad that the ignorance and arrogance of Stockton Rush cost 4 people their lives
@@AthamAldecua There are plenty that you can find using your search engine of choice. I am not suggesting any because it depends on what you are looking for, and how technical you want to get to. Carbon fibers and non metal composite materials have many different applications. Not for pressure vessels though. OceanGate's use was innovative and in a sad way, will help to ascertain limitations. But information about their use is easy to find. Vulgarization or primer books are aplenty.
I am a high school graduate that went into the commercial construction industry and retired from it. I learned so much just from different jobs/scenarios/materials throughout my career. When I learned it was a carbon fiber composite I said exactly what Cameron said in regards to movement on every dive. With each new dive you subject the microscopic failures to create more failures until catastrophe strikes. The big problem I have with this accident that should have never come close to happening is if my "uneducated" self can see the weaknesses of this design why didn't people who have the degrees and certifications see it blindfolded. NO COMMON SENSE
Boeing and NASA supposedly consulted on the design. I wonder how many dive cycles they thought this construction could withstand. I believe it was used 20 about times.
@@hobbyelectronics6630 Just saw that Boeing stated they didn’t work with Rush. And NASA did minimal and on Zoom during covid!!! Was it all lies to sell the brand?
The Australian engineer who built James Cameron's submersible said that Cameron was obsessive about every detail and would debate for hours as to whether a titanium washer was better than a stainless steel one. That is the kind of attention to detail and seriousness required for such a dangerous venture. Plus Cameron always went down with two submersibles in case there was an issue.
He is a renowned perfectionist as told by every actor that works with him. Not a surprise he is detail oriented.
Cameron is a smart, "50 year old white guy."
He only went down with 2 submersibles when he went to the Titanic, when he went to Challenger Deep he was alone, nonetheless he was obviously obsessive, as any person going on such a trip should be, there's no fucking around at either of those depths
@@sapphyrusprobably why he's been married several times... 😂
@@balung he's 68
What I like about Cameron is he listens to people when they talk and gives them the answers there looking for. He even goes beyond and goes into detail. I could listen to Cameron talk for hours
He ate a baby for clarity this morning is all
@@icytimboslyce7939 weirdo
@thethirdrichard7787 are those on youtube
@thethirdrichard7787 I’ve seen all of them he did something recent too where he tried to launch a Titanic lifeboat and said it was incredibly hard and gave the crew of Titanic props for doing what they did. He wanted to see how long it took to launch one boat and see if Titanic had enough life boats could they have saved everyone. They calculated that Titanic would need 35 life boats filled with max 65 people. 35x65 is roughly 2200. To do this In 2 hours and 40 minutes they would have to get everyone in the life boats in under 5 minutes and to pull it off they have to launch each boat right after the ice berg collision not and hour later like they did in real life. Cameron said it wasn’t possible because it took almost 5 minutes just to prepare the life boat.
its almost like he's a professional story teller..
James Cameron is the only Hollywood celeb I know of that speaks like an engineer or a scientist. No wonder his movies are well crafted. You can see by the way he speaks, he approaches and thinks things systematically.
That makes sense because he was an engineer or studied engineering before he became a director. I could be wrong but his attention to detail when it comes to safety is immense & spoken about very highly.
Cause every night in his dreams, he sees it, he feels it
@@GQMofo NOPE -- check your facts!
@@miraak8523 Never said that -- his undergraduate transcripts and professional history are public -- he's no more an expert on this than Miley Cyrus.
I shook his hand at my university grad ceremony in which he was given an honourary degree back in early 1998, just a few months after Titanic was released and he was the king of the world.
This man not only dove 30 times on Titanic, but kept and ENTIRE crew underwater shooting a whole movie for more than 6 months, without casualties. Plus he also shot Titanic with 0 issues. This man has real experience on what he´s saying.
he also helped make a sub that took him 3x deeper then the titanic he is an expert in deep sea exploring
Wait he kept an entire crew underwater for 6 months straight? How?
Yet theres some morons in this comment section that arent calling him an expert...WTf is he then...
yep.
LMAOOOOOOOO; Good one!
James Cameron is saying things that many other experts will not say. Good for him.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
trust him, trust.... science!
He really threading the needle between “this is terrible” and “this was preventable and he’s not getting off the hook jus bc he’s dead”
No, all the other experts said it too, it's just that the CEO of OceanGate didn't want to listen.
Dude has enough $ to not give a shit what anyone says or thinks about him. Gives him a lot of freedom.
As an engineer, I’m surprised how knowledgeable he is. Very good explanations of materials, safety protocols and why is STUPID to put a sensor to tell you you are about to die instead of ensuring you will not previously.
He is an engineer
Classic
@@jyskib I didn’t know, cool!
he also majored in physics but only for a year
And he’s been on upwards of 30 deep sea dives and created a documentary about deep sea diving. I’ve been waiting to hear from him and really glad he finally spoke out.
I'm not much of a movie buff, but I must tip my hat to James Cameron and his ability to communicate such a technical issue with such clarity. This is by far the most informative interview I've seen about this tragedy. Ten minutes well spent.
my thoughts EXACTLY
Same. This interview surprised me, I’ve never seen him talking about what is clearly his passion. It sounds like he has spent many years self educating in this niche of deep water/ deep pressure submersibles.
Just knowing the pros and cons of carbon fiber in bicycles - I see what he’s talking about how different carbon fiber composite acts vs. contiguous materials like titanium, steel etc. The physics are very different, so even in a mountain bike carbon fiber is “better suited “ to some parts vs. others - and apparently external pressures and carbon fiber is a dicy proposition.😢
He's an ocean and deep sea diver who makes movies to fund his exploration
@@inigobantok1579Explains Avatar: World of Water.
He actually helped some on the discovery of the Titanic, if I remember correctly. That's why I think the Titanic movie was good. Not only did it have a decent love story, the details of the ships sinking was accurate to how it was understood at the time. Even though it changed a bit, James Cameron did a correction video of the Titanic's sinking to show how he'd do it if he were to make a new Titanic movie.
“Hoping against hope I was wrong, knowing i wasn’t” I love James Cameron. An expert in what he does
His name is James, James Cameron
The bravest pioneer
No budget too steep, no sea too deep
Who's that?
It's him, James Cameron
James, James Cameron explorer of the sea
With a dying thirst to be the first
Could it be? Yeah that's him!
James Cameron
It’s funny how his “inside source” that is “just hearsay” was clearly the US Navy, but the Navy has strict classified rules to not release the information that Cameron gave us here, so he had to pretend like the source wasn’t as good as it was. So transparent lmfao.
This was a remarkable interview. Cooper asked legitimate questions and James Cameron answered them completely and succinctly. I'm an engineer but I think he explained the problems with the submarine in a way that any intelligent interested non-engineer could understand. I've alway liked his movies but I have a new respect for him.
They need to change the thumbnail. Theyve made him look like emperor ming.
Totally agree with you.
True. I’ve seen many interviews and this was by far and away the best one and with the right guy I might add.
I totally agree, he looks like Ming
Well he wasn't talking about politics, so...
Cameron has given the absolute best explanation/perspective of how the tragedy happened. So many more facts that he has revealed, which were not in the original news reports. Obviously, the Titan was nowhere near being safe enough to carry humans to those depths. I also respect that Cameron did not go public with what he knew before the search had concluded. It was the proper thing to do.
Yeah well said, he explained the reason for the tragedy perfectly and he did the honorable thing not going public with it during the search even though he was confident about what happened.
he could go public before the icident, but he didn't.
@@TheWraith7I have a rowing machine at home. Do I qualify?
@@mariusraducan1348 He spoke out to prevent another similar design being used some years before but had nothing to do with OceanGate and didnt know the details of what they were doing. It's not his responsibility in the slightest and it wouldn't have made any difference because other people said the same thing to Stockton Rush and he ignored them. His own engineer said it wasn't safe and Rush fired him. This disaster is 100% the responsibility of Stockton Rush and his criminal negligence and disregard for human life.
Cameron doesn't have a clue. Talk to an engineer that works in a research lab...not a movie director...he's another narcissist like Mush Rusk and whoever you want to cuddle up to
Stockton Rush was a Snake oil salesman. Let’s discuss this soberly. The ONLY reason Stockton Rush made a carbon fiber hull, knowing the titanium alloy hull was proven, was because it could be larger diameter. That way he could fit more people and make it a viable business venture. It was about the money, nothing more, nothing less. Because researchers and scientists had already established the method needed to be safe. That is why he didn't want SMEs and wanted younger people and didn't want it tested. He didn't want anyone getting in the way of his business hustle. And by calling the passengers crew members he avoided having to get it permitted, by the U.S. Coast Guard, to carry passengers. Greed, Greed, Greed.
I have no sympathy for stupidity. Luckily no search and rescue crews were harmed looking for these 5 fools.
I never thought about it that way, just shows who he was and to bad the people that went down with him didn’t realize that til it was probably to late.
He is on record as saying his longer term vision is to provide this same submarine technology to the oil and gas industry for oil and gas exploration
He was indeed a snake oil salesman. He will not be remembered as an explorer of any sort, he will be remembered as a criminal and a murderer.
maybe but also making it bigger would be more comfortable and not super cramped . it's not all about money.
Yeah I really don’t understand how someone of his expertise pretends not to know that sphere’s have the least surface area out of all 3 dimensional shapes. Pressure gets applied equally on all sides.
He might as well went down with a glass coffin instead of a rod. There are too many weaknesses in other shapes. It was definitely all about the money.
Dude goes back and forth from a top-tier Hollywood director who changed the face of film to deep sea explorer and engineer who achieved a world first in exploration - and he's an expert in *both* fields. Unreal.
He knows his shit like an engineer he went down several times. It's amazing my respect to this man.
Dude is a legend and don't forget T2 which is still watchable.
Cameron's films just make money. He targets the lowest common denominator--plus he's a full-of-shit hypocrite. Threw a fit over Sigourney Weaver stripping to her underwear in ALIEN, yet had Kate Winslet drop her threads in TITANIC. Additionally, Cameron wallows in gratuitous violence. Mister Female Empowerment--but he sure loves to see women shot in the back.
James 'I Understand Women' Cameron--who is on his fifth marriage.
I could name many directors with less publicity who have done better stuff. The problem is that far too many people impress easily.
Oh, and there have been *plenty* of directors who had secondary (and even tertiary) hobbies. It's not as if Cameron is the only director who does something other than directing.
Yea sir wq I was 😊
Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud).
As an engineer I’m just as impressed with Cameron’s level of technical knowledge as I am disgusted with the blatant negligence that seems to have been involved with the design of the sub.
Indeed. I followed Industrial Sciences until I was about 18 years old, so I am not an engineer, but I definitely concur. The amount of errors that they have made are absolutely atrocious. It is not hard to see that their design would lead to failure and you definitely do not need to be an engineer to see that. A logical brain in the team would have been useful for sure..
@@klaus2913That ridiculous CEO obviously didn’t care to take safety very seriously and it’s tragic he brought along paying customers into his poorly designed, experimental death trap…
he's an engineer and has designed subs himself :)
Submersible.
Maybe you should have been contacted.
I had a friend who worked on a James Cameron film in the camera department. He told me "James knew how to do my job better than I did...and that was true for every position on the crew." He is a brilliant individual - as this interview highlights.
it’s so nice to see someone with such a passion for everything he does.
Couldn't agree more with this comment
So James Cameron should be Designing Space ships to get to Mars yes? He knows everything right? Odd he isn't Beating Space X to Mars......
@@TenmaStupidity If Space was his passion he could dedicate himself to it. But he's more passionate about the sea and making movies. Why do you sound so bitter?
@@TenmaStupidity uhhh he isn't beating space x to mars because he's not trying to beat space x to mars. you went from james cameron knowing everything about filmmaking, to james cameron knowing everything about everything lmao
Hubris is the word. The people behind the Titan learned nothing from the people behind the Titanic, and now five more victims share the same graveyard.
So many people don’t realize how experienced James Cameron is in this department just because he happens to direct movies (to fund his ocean exploration). The man is an actual ocean explorer/professional and he has done a lot for the Titanic and deep sea research community. Hearing his thoughts on this is very appreciated and he’s speaking a lot of hard truths. This whole thing sounds like it could have been very preventable if the CEO had heeded the warnings and it’s just tragic.
I came here to say this. I am an ex submariner and James Cameron has done a tremendous amount of work in this area. Design building, training at deptch. He knows the subject matter better than a lot of the experts i saw on the News media.
:3 Fellow vegan brother, James Cameron!
@@MJ70-0
It's like you think you are saying something profound, but it's the most obvious statement.
@@GOD999MODEYour comment is literally the same thing...just like comment will be seen the same way.
I've known James Cameron as a master director/producer, but I'm completely floored by the level of his knowledge in engineering and material science. It shows in his dedication to learn and understand every facet and detail of the things he did. What a guy.
He is engineer
@@marcosbatista1029 I read that he studied Physics and English in college, not engineering. He never practiced as an engineer before going into filmmaking. But if you mean he thinks and studies like an engineer? Absolutely!!
Me too, when I first saw he was commenting , I thought what does a movie producer know about? It's like " I'm not a doctor but, I played one once" Boy, was I wrong he knows plenty.
I’m so impressed. James Cameron is not just a Hollywood player. He is phenomenal in explaining what may have happened. I didn’t know he was an experienced deep sea diver. I wish the Titan owner had listened to him.
@@Inktomei Didn't he drop out of college?
"false hopes that kept getting dangled" he is a craftsman with his words as well, very well said. Also the balls of Cameron to dive alone in a confined space to a depth 3 times that of the Titanic, what an incredible human.
Had I not heard it tonight, I would say that's impossible.
Agreed, he can be a wordsmith* If he employs that skill & remakes Avatar 2, he'll be a legend.
As an aerospace engineer, I am quite impressed by the general engineering knowledge Mr. Cameron has shown in this interview. Very correctly and neatly explained for everyone.
Then you'd better stick to airplanes. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud).
@@danielgregg2530he has to dumb down his talking for a tv audience, the interviewer was clearly out of his depth with some of the questions as well.
Also did you not see the one man sub footage from challenger deep? I have no doubt he completely understands the inner workings of that submersible.
@@danielgregg2530 Are you talking about Cameron? You are incredibly dumb...
@@danielgregg2530 Cameron explained it in a concise manner that is easy for the general public to understand and digest given the constrained time frame he had. A talent that comes from extensive experience of the field in question. The fact that he has completed more dives to the Titanic than most viewers here have years under the sun is telling enough. You should also look up his contributions to both deep sea exploration, as well as space exploration. He has contributed to a quite number of patents in both fields. He piloted the Challenger, which he also helped design.
Cameron has already definitively proven himself an expert in this field, you have nothing tangible but words to compare.
To me, you just sound like an average "trust me guys, I'm an expert" andy with a bloated, if fragile ego.
"If you can't explain it to a six year old, then you don't understand it yourself."
-Albert Einstein.
@@Nick-rs5if You're full of it. He didn't explain anything. He doesn't understand it himself. You're just a hero-worshipping geek who doesn't understand it either.
I’ve watched a lot of interviews on this event and everyone always circles around the questions. I left those videos feeling like I gained no information. James was straight to the point and very informative. Average people with no knowledge of this stuff can actually get an understanding by the way he words and explains things.
youre right, especially that moron who was friend of that CEO where he was calling people out for calling his friend irresponsible.
@@leninfranco9328true
Agreed. Extremely informative.
The one other question I would have liked to been covered is WHY anyone would want to use composites for a sub hull.
Aircraft make perfect sense. You want them light and strong. With subs, I don't see why any designer would want to make it lighter. Too heavy to lift out of the water when the mission is done? Engineer a stronger crane. The last thing you'd want is to compromise the only space your life is dependent upon.
I finished watching this feeling like he should be an ocean engineering professor. He is amazing at this; I had no idea!
@@dahawk8574 Price, availability, scalability and ease of construction/logistics. Yes, if all of the above were irrelevant, you would never go for a composite hull, let alone a carbon fibre one. But if they are "good enough" under this pretense, then maybe you would...maybe. Keep in mind that this was an attempt to finance independent (!) basic research with private capital (and despite the obvious oversights and safety concerns regarding this particular endevaour i think that´s a neat thing in general - it´s one way to let the wealthy actually give something back to society without introducing certain moments of conflict of interest and skewing of results). You need to tighten quite a few screws to make that a self-sufficient idea. In this case they overdid it and/or looked at the wrong (despite most obvious) screws in the first place while also throwing out plenty of safety concerns in the name of the stated mission goal and progress. Well, at least they helped to generate valuable data in the process one way or another.
Listening to him speak reminds me of how my attending surgeons spoke during residency training. Intelligent, no-nonsense, straight forward logic. Lives are at stake, take no risks, no shortcuts, and always be prepared for the worst.
Nicely put.
Never leave anything to chance, follow industry standards or better.
Right he was like they been dead since Monday but I guess the media has to give us hope. But in my mind I figured they were dead.
you worship him
@@Encantado215 He loves him.
Oh please.. don't make me vomit. This dude is a worm.
The fact that even James own Submersible Took 7 years, Dozens of test, and him being there every step of the way, and getting every detail he could to near perfection. Tells us, He completely understands the risk, Knows not to cut corners, and test out everything as much as possible. The fact the CEO was warned multiple times, cut corners, and wouldn't get it certified tells us. He didn't care and just wanted things his way. This could have been avoided, if he just tried not to have his Ego boosted.
Exactly
Cameron's submersible was also a one-man vessel. It couldn't carry passengers and he wouldn't allow anyone to put themselves in danger other than himself or the chief design engineer who both knew every detail of the vessel and the risks involved.
They refused to certify it. They told him they would not certify it. He lied.
I expect the very same was said with Titanic in 1912 !
greed
As a lawnmower engineer myself i really have much respect for James Cameron engineering skils.
Mind blown that James Cameron is so knowledgeable with physics and engineering and yet has directed one of the most critically acclaimed films amongst other successful films. Multifaceted
Film making is a super technical craft, especially when you creates films at a large scale utilising the kind of technology that he employs. It is rare that someone is so technical and also really creative.
Dude and his staff engineered the revolutionary camera tech used in avatar which is now used all over the place. He’s a polymath and innovator (he is who Stockton Rush was pretending to be) but does have a fat ego.
When you have insane wealth it offers you the time to become expert in just about anything you want
There's a reason all of his films are technical marvels and take years and years to release.
Didn't he come from a background in the science of physics ? if i recall right.
This was hands down the best interview/ segment I've seen since this whole thing began. It was obvious Mr. Cameron knows what he is talking about and he did not sugar coat things.
A former navy sub captain also was interviewed and he was very blunt about it. The news anchor had asked if there were efforts to recover the bodies. The captain said that was a pointless endeavor as there wouldn’t be much left. The human body can’t survive the instant 400x normal pressure. Not a pretty thought
This is why the so-called mainstream media is far superior to all those Podcasters and UA-camrs, who have no idea what they’re talking about… Real journalist, talking to real experts…
The interview of James Cameron on the ABC is way better. Give it a look.
@@peris_arts_film9699 And the bottom feeders would scarf up the result.
It's too bad James Cameron couldn't have followed up Avatar with a decent sequel.
I appreciate his bluntness, no need to sugarcoat the absurdity of this accident. My earnest prayers to the family. Some accidents are completely and totally avoidable. I pray the deaths were quick and no suffering.
Well said.
Yes it was absurd because it was preventable, it's not like Rush was short of money. He was just trying to be cool and present himself as an innovator
Stockton rush : " Safety is just pure waste " actual quote .
He was so dangerous he should have been jailed prophylactically.
really? he actually said that?
that's insane!
In its entirety he said; “You know, at some point, safety is just pure waste. I mean, if you just want to be safe, don't get out of bed, don't get in your car, don't do anything. “At some point, you're going to take some risk, and it really is a risk-reward question.”
@@thadlm2698 Clearly not worth the reward of being imploded thousands of feet below sea level.
James Cameron is so knowledgeable and articulate.
He is a fraud. Same with Buzz Aldrin
He’s a total badass
He's good 👍
He went to the bottom of the fucking mariana trench! This is actually in his wheelhouse
He’s been into submarines and the ocean for a very long time. He’s an expert in the field.
James Cameron has a great way of explaining complicated engineering and making it seem easy to understand.
Richard Feynman explained the Challenger disaster in a way the layman as well as the engineer would understand without blackboard and formulae
Real experts are so absorbed in their craft they have a hard time explaining to non-experts.
"If you can’t explain it to a six-year-old, then you don’t understand it yourself" - Albert Einstein
I would simply have taken a deep breath then Houdini out of the submarine, swim to safety while I held the sub with my other hand.
What "complicated engineering" did he explain here?
As a mechanical engineer - I have so much respect for James. He really has done his due diligence in research and it is commendable.
It still doesn't make sense though... James said through the sub communities, forums, and reddit threads they knew a carbon composite material was extremely risky... And will fail eventually. So why use that material at all in the first place?
@@ADM-wt9cnprobably cheaper. The CEO literally used stuff from generic stores for materials. He made multiple bad decisions and now unfortunately others lost their lives. So sad
@@nananichole Wow I did read that too WILD.... For such extreme conditions the thought of using anything but the best of the best materials baffles me.. RIP regardless though. Horrible ending.
@@ADM-wt9cn For precisely that reason .He wanted to prove them wrong.
He should go back to college and finish. He dropped out. He is no scientist or doctor. I don't know why they are bringing him to comment. Get someone who at least completed a bachelor's degree.
How humble he is... an example....and extraordinary human being.
James is being brutally honest, but speaks with real knowledge and experience - which is exactly the sort of rigour this industry needs and probably what Ocean Gate didn’t want to hear
Sadly from the emails released, the CEO was very much the 'didn't want to hear' kind of person - quote: "We have heard the baseless cries of 'you are going to kill someone' way too often"... Extremely unfortunate for the others aboard.
That's what i want to hear when dealing with serious life threading stuff. Direct, honest, and brutally to the point. "You're going to die down there.."
That's a big NOPE from me then! Thanks Mr Cameron!
Yes, we need more celebrity opinions on dangerous expeditions. What a fucking choad.
@@BoxCoverArt so, you're not able to separate the director from the explorer? I get it. It's so disparate! However, he's done more exploration than directing... regardless, feel free to disagree, but don't do so without reason or facts pls
Not listening is what resulted in the loss of life in which the bodies will not be recovered! A hard head makes a soft behind!
As an engineer I greatly appreciated James Cameron's comments which are the best I've seen on the Titan's failure. Essentially it was a flawed project carried out by an "adventurer", not a responsible qualified professional.
Rush was no-doubt a brilliant engineer. But one often neglected component of intelligence is humility. He was a know-it-all and would not heed his peers unless he agreed with them. A wise man will yield to his peers when his peers agree with eachother, even if he himself cannot reproduce their reasoning.
Ya.. As I said in another comment there, the CEO was so derelict in his responsibilities that he essentially committed a murder-suicide.They are some strong words but as you probably know, this was destined to fail. It was only a matter of when not if.
@@jorelldye4346not brilliant enough apparently he killed himself and 4 passengers through negligence
To be fair, with the number of dives to the Titanic, there was bound to be an accident at some point, no matter how well built any sub is/was. Just like the Challenger rocket disaster in 1986. Accidents happen. There’s always a chance of death.
@@MicklowFilms no rush built a poorly designed death trap that got weaker each successful dive and never bothered to test it or get it regulated
Wow! He's a genius and so articulate. He managed to call out Ocean Gate's poor engineering and business practices without being insensitive to the situation! What an inspiring human being..
I was wondering why he hadn't been interviewed earlier - I presume it was out of respect for the families who hoped for a miracle
"genius"? You're have very low standards for a title like that
One other guy did try to tell Ocean Gate that their sub was a death trap. He got fired for saying that.
If nobody else in the world is capable of building a sub that goes that deep, why would he be obliged to listen to their critique?
"If you want to be safe, stay in bedroom." Stockton Rush.
I have so much respect for James Cameron. His method of explanation is very clear and simole so that we can all understand.
I worked with high pressure (>2000 bar) vessel testing for many years. Cameron is both highly knowledgeable, to an unexpectedly high level actually, and totally right. I would never go near that vessel even with it standing on dry land.
It's so incredible James went down 3x deeper than the Titanic in a sub manned by himself ! James Cameron is an incredible man outside of filming the biggest movies ever.
Manned by himself and there was just him onboard. In another interview he said that even if it could have carried a passenger he would never have allowed it because it would have been completely wrong to put their life at risk. He knew the vessel inside and out and could make an informed risk analysis based on the safety of the submersible and the operating procedures.
And co-designed by him.
I honestly did not know James Cameron was a deep diver before this incident. Makes much more sense now why his movies are so detailed and accurate.
Avatar was on tv last night. What a coincidence.
I heard that too. That is Incredible. I am not sure if that is true. If it is true then Mr. James Cameron's Submersible is designed very well. He also mentioned Challenger Deep. We know the Titanic is resting on the upper Slope at about 12865 feet. Then comes the Slope Rise and then the Basin and then the Trenches. Challenger Deep is in the Mariana Trench. The Deepest Point of Earth's Oceans is 35756 feet or 10898 Meters. It is hard to believe that James Cameron made up to this point because the pressure here is about 1050 pounds per square inch. OceanGate Submersible was designed to safely explore to a depth of 12500 to 13000 feet as it was designed for 6000 pounds per square inch of outside pressure. Perhaps once in the Trenches, the Submersible was under some other law of physics or something.
The last line is terrifying to think of. Everyone else has been trying to paint a picture of how it was instant and they felt no pain and while that was true at the moment of implosion there is a very good chance they knew what was going to happen moments before it occurred. CEOs legacy will now forever be how negligence killed 5 people.
I spent a good amount of my life on submarines, basically all of my 20s and I’m 100% confident they knew the hull was failing before the implosion actually occurred. The carbon fiber would’ve been creaking and cracking loudly, so there’s no way they made it down there and had a sudden failure. They absolutely would’ve known beforehand. Horrific way to die.
I feel so awful for that 19 year old kid who was already terrified to be going down there. Wish to god he’d listened to his instincts instead of his father. 😢
@@afauxican_american Yes, as they initiated an emergency ascent. But it might have been just a few seconds. Structures like this will break apart at exponential speed.
But how many of the 5 on board knew? Surely the experts like the owner Stockton knew, the moment they dropped the emergency weights. I wonder if he let on to the Dawoods that it was an emergency procedure and that they would be ‘returning to the surface’, knowing truly they were all going to die imminently.
I felt so bad knowing they dropped the weights they tried to go back up, but it was too late :(
He is incredibly competent. What a man.
Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.
@@danielgregg2530 hmmm. Ok 🤷
@@danielgregg2530James Cameron has gone deeper than almost anyone else alive. You are a no name YT commenter that hasn’t done anything half as impressive as Cameron even if your story isn’t a lie. I’m taking his word over yours any day of the week.
@@danielgregg2530 You're coming off incredibly jealous and bitter. I doubt you can do half the things Cameron has done.
@@Whoa802 It's the other way around. I have multiple professional degrees, flown airplanes, qualified in nuclear submarines, tried a lawsuit against a nationally famous lawyer (who then asked me to work for him -- three times), pulled any number of rabbits out of hats for various clients. I survived an alligator attack (in the water). Cameron can do two things, and very mediocrely. His movies do not begin to compare with the great ones: John Ford, David Lean, Billy Wilder, Carol Reed, Stanley Kramer, Stanley Kubrick, Elia Kazan, and on and on and on. The other thing he does is spend gobs of money that mediocre audience members like you give him. He's just an arrogant, pontificating ass with a gift for entertaining the dull-witted. Your hero-worship of such a figure is something you might consider talking to a therapist about.
I had no idea James Cameron is basically a pro at this. I thought he was called to give his two cents since he created the Titanic movie, little did I know that he's done those kinds of underwater trips multiple times and has his own submersible. Hats off to you JC.
he's obsessed with underwater submersibles and has been for decades
He did dive to the German battleship Bismarck in 2002, after all. It has sunk much deeper than the Titanic. Basically, he's a pro.
He's been to the Challenger Deep in his own sub. That's 3 times deeper than the Titanic. He's a vet at this stuff.
@@kaliss7192i knew that but i wasn't aware he was involved in the design and science of it all. What a man
His deepsea challenge doc is free on UA-cam.
I could listen to Cameron talk about this all day. He really puts the technical stuff over so clearly.
you might call him a talented storyteller
Like others here I’m really impressed with this interview. I know James Cameron has visited the Titanic site many times but I forgot or didn’t know he was such an innovator and expert in this field. Great explanation.
Nothing against James, but it’s his brother Mike who’s the real technical genius. Mike seems to prefer staying in the background though.
He had visited the Titanic sight?? Multiple times?? U mean 12500 feet under the surface of the Atlantic ocean???
@@elevenzoo3783 Cameron made 33 visits to the resting site of the Titanic. In a 2013 marine scientific journal, it was noted that James Cameron is also responsible for discovering four new deep sea species in the deepest seabed of the world.
@@elevenzoo3783 Yep, he's even been to the Challenger Deep, located under 35000 ft on the Pacific
Check out the Australian 60 minutes segment when they followed him to challenger deep
He said if he was in low earth orbit and in trouble he had more chance of surviving until rescue than the depths he was attempting
Its amazing that the guy, Rush would do this. The weakness was obvious. Cameron explained it in a minute. Carbon Fiber has its uses, but not for deep diving.
The biggest parts they found of the Titan are the two titanium ends. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out what part failed, even if it was the under-rated glass window.
All DSV submersibles have a common design, a personal sphere that holds 1~3 people. The O2 and systems are INSIDE the sphere. With the titan, it looks like it might of been the opposite. They were very proud of their ONE button (ON/OFF switch?) and 1-2 touch screens and a couple of $30 game controllers for 2010. That's everything wrong in design, and that's also what we see in SpaceX and their crew capsules. Designed for looks before function.
Amazingly, the Titan lasted as long as it did. It could have failed any number of times before with anything below a few hundred meters would have meant death for the people inside.
Also amazing that a billionaire would BE SO CHEAP in making his own vehicle that he himself would be in. "I have a huge bank account. But you know what, I'd rather spend $50 for a component rather than $500. I'm too cheap to spend $25,000 for a new blackbox or $3000 for a used on - "just in case.".
The design was to fail, with Rush and his company lying to themselves and their customers about the design defects.
When they LIED about "NASA is involved" with their sub, that's a huge red flag.
I had to pause for a minute because James Cameron gives the viewers so much information necessary to understand and visualize what they are dealing with in just a matter of minutes. Such expertise
I think the lesson here is pretty clear. Aerospace engineering is not the same as submersible engineering. While they share core engineering principles, you can't simply take the solutions used in aviation and plop it in the ocean.
Everything needs to be properly designed and tested regardless of the material. Composites are only used in aerospace after many thousands of hours of calculations, validations, testing, and they undergo a great deal of monitoring once in service. Aerospace uses some of the smallest safety factors of any engineering precisely because they spend so much time trying to understand their loading and the material's response to it.
If OceanGate took the same approach, they likely would have spent more time analysing it and discovered their design was not appropriate.
@@wolfie54321 The proof is in the pudding. You can analyze and conclude anything on paper but ..
Just look at the cars that would be self driving. Not in the real world.
@@cumbaja3456 Cars can potentially become self driving.
It's only a matter of time and the right solution.
It will probably take longer to reach Level 4 than it did for Level 3, but I have no dount it will happen.
Especially given the acceleration of research into AI/ML which is in no small part driven by the desire to automate driving going forward.
@@mnomadvfx I believe composite parts are not used in fatigue-critical parts in aerospace either. Someone correct if wrong. So this probably was just bad engineering plain and simple.
@@cumbaja3456Self driving cars exist with a much better safety incident rate than regular cars. What’s your point?
I do mechanical engineering, and what Mr Cameron said here is what I've been saying for the last couple of days. CFRP tube is amazing in tension (if the pressure comes from the inside), terrible under compression (if the pressure comes from the outside), plus very real issues with how it attached to the titanium end cones.
Interesting. What were the attachment issues?
@@jetuber Two different materials with different temperature coefficients, plus any non-solid assembly is a week point - and a cylinder is infinitely weaker than a sphere. A few years ago an earlier version of the Titan made “a lot of noises” when they took it to 4,000 meters outside Hawaii, the now passed CEO said, they tried to fix it but issue still there, lots of cycle fatigue - then they used an aerospace company for the CFRP tube and I guess thought it worked now - but it will never work for this purpose, will delaminate with cycles.
yup, and the fact that it can be brittle and fractures when broken is not good. I follow enough aviation and motorsports to know what happens to CF. Also, I heard they forgoed doing scans on the hall and used some sort of acoustic method. I've inspected other devices for delamaination in the past and can say it's pain in the ass but neccesarry.
That fool should have used titanium for hull proven durability. He compared war general to breaking rules in war, to mathematics and engineering no you can break rules when it comes to that
@@jetuber Virgin Oceanic have a single person sub with this design (the one mentioned in the video that he was competing with for the Mariana Trench dive), they originally wanted to do 5 dives. it was pressure tested, found out that it could only do 1 dive then its useless so it was shelved. the tech already existed, had been tested, and was found to be unsuitable.
Words of wisdom from someone who has "been there, done that" the Titanic and Challenger deep.
Condolences and prayers to the families of those who perished on the Titan.
Ah, no. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.
@@danielgregg2530 bro, what are you talking about?
What really broke my heart tonite was reading that the 19 year old didn't want to go...he was scared. His aunt said his dad was "obsessed with the Titanic" and he basically went to support him. 😢💔🙏
Yea and I’m sure when that thing was about to break apart and they started to hear it like James said at the end of this interview, he had to be looking at his son knowing what was about to happen RIP.
Oof!
That is so tragic! May he rest in peace 🙏💕
I don’t care how bright,
smart or interested any 19yr old would be in the titanic I don’t think any of them would want to go down to the bottom of the ocean at that age to explore so I truly believe he did it only for his dad. He definitely trusted his dad, this company, the crew etc and was hoping for the best. Unfortunately his life was taken, I feel so bad for that baby boy!
What a terrible twist to this already terrible story.
James Cameron's explanation helped me immensely to understand what actually happened and why. I am not familiar with submersibles by any means so I thank him for aiding me in comprehending the mechanics and science behind this incredibly sad failure. My heart broke to learn that the 19 year old son was terrified to do the excursion but did it for his dad because it was Father's Day. You don't forget a story like this. With sincere condolences for the lives lost and to the family and friends left behind. May it remind us all how precious life is. Stay safe everyone. ❤
Well said
I had no prior knowledge of the son being terrified, but going ahead with the excursion because he wanted to satiate his father. Oh my God. :(
Another family friend says that may not be true. That if the son had expressed concerns, there was no way his dad would not have listened to him and considered his fears.
@@rada9748Could be. Sad thing is we will never know. ♥️
I feel the same way. I did not understand anything anyone was saying until James Cameron explained it😢
So damn refreshing to hear someone actually speaking truth and facts!!
No watered down or sugar coating!
Ive always been a huge fan of James not only for his great movies but his knack to speak exactly whats on his mind, good or bad
To say they may have heard the hull failing brings tears to my eyes, because I know how horrified I would feel if I was in that chamber under water with no hope of being able to get back to the surface in time. I'm sure they felt no pain due to how fast the implosion would be once the hull gave way, but the seconds before that I would just close my eyes and pray that God forgives me for all my indiscretions.
😢😢😢😢😢
Baloney. They drown.
@@stanislouse4168 too dense to understand implosion?
@@stanislouse4168ehhhh noooo. You know when you bend over and hang your head down??? You feel all that pressure??? Just imagine that but way worse and being crushed on top of it
@@stanislouse4168They were hit with a wall of water at 370 atmospheres of pressure and you think they drowned ?
Anderson makes a good point. One big difference between Cameron- who gave proper attention to the durability and safety of his own craft- is that when Cameron did his dives, _he didn't take on _*_passengers._* So Stockton Rush not only chose to take big risks with his design, but by inviting tourists onboard, he had them share those risks while they paid him.
OCEAN-GATE was a suicide pact and mission!
@@SuperBullaManwait it's starting to make sense. Heaven's Gate OceanGate 😮
And they all signed multiple waivers on the dotted line, which clearly stated “death.”
@@mencken8 Several times per page according to some reports.
This whole thing strikes me as an underwater Fyre Festival. A once-in-a-lifetime experience marketed to the wealthy and with an exorbitant price tag, but it’s still run on a shoe-string. I’m no subject matter expert, but $1 million revenue per dive (four paying passengers plus one crew) does not seem like enough to fund this properly, so they cut corners and it all goes to hell.
Cameron described it so well: Laminated wound carbon fibre make excellent vessels to withstand pressure from inside because there is a pulling force on these extremely strong fibres. However pressure from outside of such a vessel is like pushing the ends of a string closer together, the string goes limp. This does not happen with steel or titanium..
tension loading vs compression loading. This has been known since fiber/matrix composite materials were invented. So many engineers along the path of making this vessel happen and not one spoke up? There's a picture of the "tube" on a filament winding machine as it was being made. Did the vendor not offer this is not a good idea for an underwater vessel subject to extremely high compression loads? Or did they simply make the customer sign a hold harmless waiver warning of possible death?
They've been telling Rush for years, even James himself. This was a long time coming.
@@buckmurdock2500 in the picture of it being winded on the metal tube, is the tube kept as part of of the sub? Like ~127mm of carbon then 10mm of titanium thick. If it is, I wonder about the problem of different thermal expansion rates of the materials as well. ~3 meters of carbon vs titanium expanding, what would be the difference over the sub being in 30 degrees on land vs the deep ocean.
Carbonfiber is strong but when it gets fatigue it brakes without any warning
@@AORD72 Nope. The cylinder is straight CFRP. The only metal parts in the pressure vessel were the titanium domes on each ends.
Much respect to James Cameron for a very fascinating and elightening analysis on this tragedy. One of the most intelligent and reasoned takes I've seen so far.
The interviewer should have cut James off after 2mins of him speaking
Anderson - " yeah thats cute James and all, but can we talk about Terminator 2 now ?
James - " Sure we had to cast the T1000 almost before anyone else because of the time it took back then to create CGI some of the effects in the film when he walks through the bars at the hospital was actually done in mid 1990 way before we even finished shooting the entire film in 1991 etc. etc.
He's an expert in this field. Designed a sub and went to the Mariana Trench with it. If anyone who's qualified to give us some expert angle on this, it's him.
@@AC-LING666 lol
@@electricdreamer *He's the most qualified out of the list of celebrities that you are aware of.
Judotrip1 Or maybe he waters it down enough for certain slow people to understand.
Kudos to the interviewer, who's very good at his job, but my goodness, James Cameron is a very, very clever man. He explains things in clear and simple terms. And then, for a brief moment, you sense the wealth of knowledge that sits behind that.
As a former structural engineer I’m very impressed by Cameron’s engineering savvy. Give this man an honorary degree in engineering!
He made a sub that went to Mariana trench challenger deep, if that ain’t enough idk what is!!
@@tommy.vercetti2003 06:35 Cameron explains exactly why the composite material used in the external structure degraded over time which resulted in the demise of the crew. To claim he is mad is sophistry and should be considered as trolling.
@@SedriqMiers you might need to re-read tommy's comment. He clearly made a spelling mistake, mad was supposed to be made.
@@SedriqMiersyou’re too quick to judge, aren’t ya? He made* a typo. Breathe.
He has a few honourary degrees for sure, a couple Canadian Universities and an English one...well deserved.
James is a prime example that one can be from a non-scientific background but take it upon himself to be a subject matter expert by learning.
If you are interested in something and read about it, increase your knowledge of the subject and test theories and theses, do experiments, exchange information with others, confirm information and check sources then you don't need any studies or need to be a scientist to be an expert in something. Studies are needed to get a paper to be employed somewhere.
@@NocnaGlizda not being a d!ck, but what you described falls under "study." You are correct, though - you can do all that and not pay for it for a piece of paper to prove that you are worthy of a paycheck. I have a non-paying hobby that can be dangerous, but I've read many books on the subject, participated in forums where experts hang out and pass on their knowledge, and read as much online as I could possibly find before even going hands on. Work smart, learn from others' mistakes, and LISTEN to people that know more than you do - that's my takeaway.
@@blackcatpgh13 while u are right most of study fields are utter garbage nowdays, its systematic teaching for passing the test and exams, while that is still required to know smth it still has many disatvantages like being able to pass by simplu learing stuff on memory instead of understanding it, in fact most of the world works like this, personally i hated this shit, like I WANT TO KNOW WHY I AM LEARNING THIS if the answer is you are going to need it to pass the exam then am out, thats why when you see ppl who are intrested in a topic they always do it as a hobby.
See, another guy with the same praise of Cameron just like everyone else. This whole interview and replicated responses are strange.
@@blackcatpgh13 I think his point was simply to say that calling James Cameron a "non-scientist" is incorrect. He was venturing beyond what was common knowledge or what could be taught in a school or whatever.... so his lack of some kind of formal education on the subject is irrelevant/a contradiction. He was busying "writing the textbook" in a manner of speaking. And I think his comment basicaly was saying that you don't need to be "knighted" with a PHD or whatever by a college to be a scientist, you need only use the scientific method which Cameron did.
But I of course understand what the other guy was saying. Cameron didn't start off as some kinda scientist that then ventured deeper into the field. He had a career doing something else which he was well known for and successful at and then became a successful scientist too. Which is exactly right. Cameron is an intelligent badass. It comes across in his scripts. Nobody dumb makes a good movie. Not a truly good movie, at least not as many times as he has. But just one of his good movies are far superior that most. There are exceptions. Dumb people can make good movies... Zack Snyder, for example. He made 2 good movies, but he also didn't write them and basically just copied source material frame by frame. 300 was a comic and The Watchmen was a comic. Smart people can make shitty movies too. But as a general rule it stands ha
If he only was the man who went the deepest inside our planet, that would be extraordinary enough. But on top of that he's the most successful director in the history of cinema.
What a life this man has lived.
Spielberg is the most successful director in the history..
@@CindyBarrymore Depends how you define success. Cameron has made the biggest box office successes in the world for 30 years.
@@CindyBarrymoreSpielberg is a p3dophile though .
I feel that negates the vast majority of his so called amazing directorial ability
@@Sertifi And Steven Spielberg is a multibillionaire from filmmaking. Case closed.
@@CindyBarrymore We were talking about directing, and Spielberg made much more from other separate deals and activities. Case closed indeed.
James truly understands the risk and reward aspect. This combined with consideration and intelligence makes him one of a kind. I would imagine the last idea he would have is to commercialize such a dangerous endeavor.
James is known to be very demanding and exact in his films. This is partly exhibited in the almost obsessive attention to detail in Titanic and the Avatar movies. That said, he's also not willing to ask someone to do something that he himself wouldn't be willing to do.
I'm astonished by how well-spoken Cameron is. He is able to explain things to the layman with great clarity.
The mark of a true expert. It was Richard Feynman who said one needs to be able to explain a topic to a child before they can be considered an expert in the field
I was thinking the same thing. I have heard other experts but none could explain it in such a digestible manner. He’s a great teacher.
He directed one of the greatest movies of all time, True Lies.
He's been making blockbuster movies for half a century making stupid shit believable for low IQ idiots, you are astonished that he can tell a fact based story in a clear and concise way.....why?
Just like Donald Trump,Rudy G,MT Greene,George Santos and The Pillow Guy.
James Cameron said earlier that he was invited a few times by the owner of OceanGate and Stockton Rush to dive down in the sub with them and he declined each time. Says a lot about what he thought of their entire operation.
These passengers put faith in this company that they would be able to safely witness a site that has captivated the world for years. How absolutely terrifying it is to hear James Cameron say that the weights were dropped to ascend back up because they must have heard the vessel being compromised. The immense fear and desperation they must've felt in those last moments is unimaginable!!
Had faith. Mate they get them to sign a waiver that mentions you could die atleast 13 times it's mentioned.would you have faith ??
And the worst thing is, at that depth, there was nothing they could do. They hear the sounds of something wrong and then they're dead because of the immense pressure. The next thing they saw was everybody in the dance hall of the Titanic, welcoming them onboard.
For what it's worth - I believe the kind of people who take risks like that are eternal optimists. If a large bang was heard, I don't think they would immediately panic assuming they were about to die. If they had time to initiate an ascent then that also means they reason to believe they could surface and reach safety. I am projecting my own personality a little bit here but I think it make sense. I have a risky hobby and have been in a situation where I fell about 20m while climbing and for all that time (which feels like eternity) I wasn't thinking I'm about to die, I was just patiently waiting for the fall to end.
@@aspzxyeah but what about that young man who didn’t even want to go and did it just to please his father for Father’s Day? They weren’t explorers and were sold a lie, and that kid didn’t even want to go but trusted his father… that’s the most heart wrenching thing about this AND if they were worried they were going too fast dropping weights then they knew something bad could have happened and I can’t even imagine how terrified that young man was, with nowhere to go nothing to do but disintegrate. It enrages me.
@@HeatherHolt Smoke a bowl and relax...
To Mr. Cameron's credit, though he knew what he knew, he kept his thoughts on this tragedy close to his chest until the ship's loss was 100% confirmed.
As a submariner, the very idea of only relying on acoustic sensors to detect hull integrity an absolutely insane idea. Anyone who has ever looked into submersibles would know that it only requires a very small amount of damage to cause an issue. At that depth, any type of mistake will provoke a near instantaneous implosion. At those depths, there are no fixable problems when it comes to the pressure hull. Very likely the acoustic sensors detected the issue (Cameron said that it would be delamination), they were near the target depth, they dropped ballast, but then they had likely a several minute climb still under extreme pressure to reach the surface. There was simply no way that those sensors were anything other than a false security blanket.
literally what JC said. pointless comment
we are all 'experts' now
composites fail catastrophically . that's well known. same with composites rebar. it's stronger than steel but will fail catastrophically with only 2% stretch . steel will do 10 % or more .
@@ronblack7870 And steel is able to maintain some integrity even after implosion. Not carbon fiber.
So how fast would that climb be ?
It’s so refreshing to see someone famous like Cameron being interviewed by mainstream media talking so deeply and technically about a topic he knows well.
He's a movie director..durhh..this is a cheap attempt at staying relavant and to set you up for his new movie titanic 2.0
@@ronny9407your joking right?
@@Omgosh98if not he's incredibly ignorant.
@@ronny9407You are so ignorant 💀 he is one of the worlds best experts on deep sea exploration
@@ronny9407oh dude ouch. Feel bad for friends and family, people with idiocy like that can be painful to be around.
I can’t believe he went down to the Mariana Trench on his own in a sub he designed himself. Legend.
He didn’t go to Mariana Trench loooool
@zorilaz yes, he did
he had an engineer that co-designed it he said , that means the engineer did it
@@Jack_The_Ripper_Here He went to the bottom of Challenger Deep, the absolute deepest known point of the planet.
@@ALCV11 his sub is top class i saw videos of it that thing looks unreal . Like a proper shit. No way that thing implodes
James Cameron explained very well why composite is bad for underwater operations and ductile materials should be used. Very informative for lay people. In all other interviews people were giving very generic reasons.
As an engineer I truly appreciate he understands the reason of failures for different types of materials and their endurance.
Anderson Cooper was actually asking fairly informed questions, so that helps too.
James was so eloquent. Really impressive how informed he is
This is the real problem: Fiber is good for tension, not good for compression.
James Cameron is a true genius. How can he be an expert on both directing and engineering which seems totally different areas. It's so impressive.
not so different
He's an engineer, academically. Just did directing and production as a career.
Because all of his studying about subnautical ventures he started learning about were from the movie The Abyss.
People can have multiple passions and professions.
Both require an insane amount of attention to detail. And if that attention is paid only then are you successful
James Cameron has been down to the Titanic 33 times. He’s an expert on this topic.
Thanks Sherlock
@@classicwhitebreadEvery morning I wake, I turn to your mom and ask her where did she go wrong with you? 😂
33 times ? No way
@@nexx456they literally say it in the video ☠️
@nexx456 He had to make a ton of trips down there when he filmed his famous documentary film Ghosts of The Abyss. There's only so much oxygen that a small sub like the one he regularly traveled in can carry especially for deep sea trips that far.
James Cameron is so involved in that issue!I admire his atitude towards the tragic event,but also his concerns expressed right from the start.
A brilliant director and such an emphatic person!❤
Just devastating. Aside from the pilot (and I don't feel anything but sadness for), the crew had no idea what they were in for. No man brings his 19 year old son on a trip he didn't think was safe. They believed the company knew what they were doing. Just heartbreaking.
They should have listened to Stockton Rush’s interviews - he came across as arrogant & reckless.
Because the Titan submersible reached the Titanic wreckage 2 times successfully, so the passengers ignored all the risks and just relied on the 2 previous successful expeditions. Did you know that the UK billionaire, Hamish Harding descended into the Marianna Trench successfully? The Marianna Trench is 3 times deeper than the Titanic crash site. But now he is dead because he relied so much on the CEO and the 2 previous successful expeditions.
James Cameron said that the carbon fiber didn't work all the time because the material degraded so fast and way faster than the steel. He said that is why the Titan worked before by reaching the Titanic site 2 times, but this time it failed due to implosion.
@@tuanngnt right, and the passengers never would have known something like this. most people wouldn't. and cameron was excellent at explaining it in simple terms.
@@miraak8523”LOL” glad you laughed out loud over a tragedy their families on land don’t find funny. Keep laughing for the dead like we all know you will. I guess you’re fair game. When one of your family members die we can all laugh our asses off. Being on the receiving end sucks. “LOL”
James is absolutely correct and I applaud him for being openly critical of Ocean Gate and honestly downright pissed off at the lack of adhesion to known processes and safety protocols that ended up getting 5 people killed.
Yeah but if you were a billionaire, spending a mere £200,000 is penny pinching when it comes to your own safety.
As he was explaining how the material used was typically good for internal pressure instead of external, it reminded me of a scene from Futurama where their spaceship got dragged deep into the ocean. When asked how much atmospheric pressures the craft could take, the professor said, "well it's a spaceship, so between 0 and 1" as water begins to burst through the hull.
@@SagaciousFrank Was there another more expensive, but safer Titanic sub tourism option...?
@@billymadison8574 , I don't know mate, I'm a poor working class pleb so I'm not exactly perusing the market for such explorations, but what I do know is that if £200,000 couldn't assure my safety then I wouldn't bother, or at least consider paying considerably more for the privilege to ensure that safety. Because it sounds like they blindly entrusted their lives to greedy cowboys in exchange for a relative dime.
Money brings power and connections. Having seen Jim Cameron do it safely decades ago on a DVD documentary of the Titanic (yes, there are always risks, but it sounds like in this particular case of the Titan that it was a disaster waiting to happen), I'd have at least used my wealth to first reach out to those with experience of doing it successfully on numerous occasions before, not pay almost a quarter of a million (a lot for many people, nothing to billionaires) to a money grubbing company clearly more interested in making a quick buck from your deep cofffers than assuring your safety.
Absolutely can't blame him for being pissed. PH Nargeolet was a longtime friend of his, and now he's dead because of the gross negligence that went into building this sub.
Really enjoyed the full interview tonight. James Cameron is extremely intelligent and I love that he did his due diligence. I have even more respect and admiration for him.
JC is an absolute genius. To be such a brilliant director but have a fantastic insight into matters like this is astonishing
Ah, no. He is trying to fake it and failing abjectly. I am an engineer who has done specification of materials for deep diving submarines. I even qualified in submarines in the U.S. Navy. I am the kind of professional this Mister Moneybags here hires and then he tries to pretend like he knows my job. He most certainly DOES NOT sound like an expert to someone who actually is one. He sounds like a phony-baloney wannabe trying to fake it above his actual pay grade (and being obscenely rich, he probably believes he has every right to engage in such fraud). Moreover, eventually I left that all behind to become a lawyer, handling technical cases, and there is probably no court in the United States that would find him qualified to testify as an expert witness on any subject outside of cheesy movie making. If any court were so mistaken as to allow it, genuinely competent experts could readily rip him to shreds. As a lawyer, I find myself salivating at the thought of having him under cross-examination for only five minutes. It would be delicious.
@danielgregg2530 somehow Im trusting Cameron over you, what with the design of the Challenger Deep faring vessels his teams have created vs your rant
Respect. James Cameron is not only a Hollywood director, but, no kidding, the guy knows his engineering. I am no expert but I understand what he said. Clear, direct, logical, no BS explanation. RIP to the 5 and my condolences to their families.
When someone can explain something simply, then they most likely know what they are talking about.
Sure, but I would like to hear from the other side. I don't see how a team of engineers can design a submersible out of "completely inappropriate material".
@@garethhanby not all engineers are good engineers💁♂️. That is why its so important to have someone with a good engineering background and a good bullshit detector as the boss. This CEO was a shitty person and deserved to be crushed like he was.
@@garethhanby "The other side" was pretty much one guy who insisted, despite protest from his own colleagues, that he was making a catastrophic error. He's dead now.
Aerospace engineer here with experience in composite over-wrapped pressure vessel (COPV) design. Cameron explained the issue with carbon fiber in an external pressure application perfectly.
On the submersible, OceanGate used carbon fiber from a company called Toray who manufactures carbon fiber with resin already impregnated or “pre-preg”. Even in aerospace where this material is used frequently to build COPVs, winding the prepreg fiber onto the pressure vessel is an incredibly complex process and very difficult to achieve high quality AND repeatability due to carbon fiber’s anisotropy (different mechanical properties in different directions). Delamination (where the fiber becomes undone) and voids between the tank and fiber or between fiber layers can occur and in the submersible application, could potentially trap air. On top of that the pressure cycling from 14.7 PSI to ~6,000 psi and back could not be good at all for that carbon fiber.
In 2016, the liner of a COPV stored in the LOX tank of a SpaceX Falcon 9 buckled and created a void which either created solid oxygen or ingressed liquid oxygen which ignited with friction causing the rocket to explode during a routine static fire, destroying the AMOS-6 satellite. Falcon 9 had been flying for ~6 years up to that point so that is an example of how tricky COPVs could be. What’s more, is that this particular COPV on a nominal Falcon 9 flight experiences an external pressure due to the LOX tank being pressurized however that pressure is nowhere near the 6,000 PSI experienced at the depths of the Titanic.
EDIT: Grammar checks
What about the bonding of the end caps ?
Lol
Even B787 dreamliner only has 6PSI pressure differential cycles and its rated for finite cycles
Thanks for such in depth analysis
Thank you thank you
Carbon fiber is about to implode on the stock market. Just saying.
And now we know. His evaluation of this tragedy is so detailed and he deserves utmost respect for his knowledge.
@nty3929 LMFAO you apparently have no clue what experience or knowledge he has about this subject. Research before speaking is a good thing.
What detail? There's never been a specific criticism leveled by anyone. It's all vague opinion. Let's see some engineering drawings, material specs, something, anything that can be used for independent evaluation.
@@Thunder-acro Are you drooling while LYFAO? Because you just used the argument from authority logical fallacy, which goes like this: "This is an expert, therefore what he says is true"
Nope. Not how it works. The so called expert still has to back his claims with evidence, something Cameron has refused to do.
@@klocke-hx3xl You can watch videos of this sub being made, showing clearly that they don't know what they are doing. And that's just from a construction point of view, not even going into the details of all things wrong with the design, and the approach taken.
@@patrikfloding7985 Now back your claim. Link a video, pinpoint a specific operation, material, part, I don't care, something, anything, make your criticism, and back it with evidence. Not subjective opinion. Evidence. We both know that's never going to happen. You're just going to believe what you're going to believe. Even if the craft was badly designed and built, that wouldn't change the amount of pure bullshite and delusional thinking surrounding this event. That's what has got me so thoroughly disgusted. There is no certification agency or regulations pertaining to experimental deep sea diving vessels. And yet, all the talking heads are play pretending there is one because they know no one watching gives a crap if it's true or a lie.
I love how Cameron essentially picks up a trade with masters-level knowledge as he goes through life. A true auto-didact and scholar.
Pity that doesn't translate to happy marriages. Cameron has yet to master the most important skill: how to be a decent fucking human being. If you're in the dark about Cameron's reputation for being a prick, pull your head from the sand.
I had no idea that James Cameron was so accomplished and had such varied interests. He designed and built his own submersible. How impressive is that? In addition to his other not too shabby gig of being one of the best filmmakers ever. What a remarkable guy. He's lived a rich life.
And he is vegan ❤
60 minutes (Australia) just re-uploaded a feature they made about his submersible on here for free that's quite interesting
I mean you'd think Avatar "The Way of Water" made it pretty clear that he had love for the water, it's what inspired that movie and his reason for writing that story.
@j.cassavoy4661 that's interesting, he must be the only vegan on the planet that doesn't brag about it 🙄
The man use to go to the USC Library and make copies of Doctoral dissertations and Master's studies on electrical engineering, camera technology, filmmaking, physics, etc. when he was a truck driver in his early 20's! The man is extremely sharp and self-motivated!
You can tell he is doing the rounds because he cares so deeply about this industry. He wants to spread awareness. He also clearly regrets not speaking up more, and will not make the same mistake twice.
SpaceX dumped using carbon fibre as pressure vessels after two rockets exploded. Yet it's fine to use as a Submarine in extreme pressure environments. It's no secret carbon fibre has problems under pressure but don't let that stop a Titanic sightseeing tour
And that's saying something since theoretically, carbon fibers would be better suited for space since you're working with higher internal pressure rather than external.
Altough the differentials at play are quite different so I dont think the issues were the same.
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Carbon Fibre pressure vessels holding INTERNAL pressure are actually a good design. SpaceX stopped using them because first they are very expensive (a couple of orders of magnitude compared to simple steel) and hard to work with. And second they don't work well in cryogenic temperatures nor in high temperatures. Steel looks weird material for a spaceship, but steel works well with both heat and cold. So you can remove all the cooling/heating systems and it ends up both lighter and cheaper.
Carbon Fibre for holding external pressure- that's quite different though.
carbon fibre is good in tension and terrible in compression. Which is why it actually works great for internal pressure and terrible for external pressure which you face under the ocean.
Internal pressure =/= external pressure.
Those pressure vessels are designed to keep a highly pressurised substance (fuel) from escaping, not the ocean from crushing the vessel.
Design in these cases is also as much to do with hull support structure (cross bracing etc) as there is to do with the material itself.
The real tragedy is that the CEO will never get to hear the I-told-you-so.
My respect for this man just went up to the highest level possible. No judgment or condescension in his words or tone. Very knowledgeable, calm and empathetic. Now I know why everyone admires him.
It's too bad James Cameron couldn't have followed up Avatar with a decent sequel.
@@carpenter3069oh someone who can’t sense the tone of room and says something totally irrelevant 🙄
@@carpenter3069 is that why Avatar 2 has one of the highest box office in movie histories?
@@lilscottieme Nah, I agree with @carpenter.
@@eriknephrongfr8847 good for you maybe you two can get a hotel room and discuss it more 👍🏻
Wow… so James Cameron is not just a filmmaker, but also a deep sea explorer, a submarine engineer & an innovator too? Impressive indeed! This explains his fascination with the ocean & water themed movies! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
who knew all of us that knows about this director
everybody knows, he's actually more into into deep sea submergence, hollywood is more like a 'hobby' to him. ocean is his living.
That’s what CNN is trying to tell us. Fortunately, for me, I don’t believe a single thing CNN says.
No wonder Avatar was so engaging, he ‘gets’ world creation. He also made an excellent documentary about going down to the deep ocean. And I think he has gone deeper than anyone else ever, 11k feet (or is it meters?). The titanic is only 5k deep.
he is such a multitalented hardworking man , I also read somewhere that he drew all the sketches which were shown to be made by jack in titanic , just shows his accumen in vastly different fields !
This was the definitive interview on this tragedy. Cameron is the “real deal” when it comes to advanced general knowledge and advanced managerial skills.
Kudos to Cooper and his staff.👍🥇🏆
Watch the Sub Brief analysis. He called it a couple of days ago, and explained in detail everything that was wrong with the system.
Real experts knew damn well that Sub lost signal due to it imploded.
Everyone reported that it was standard to lose connection when it dove, that’s why the main ship didn’t make any calls until they didn’t come back 9 hours later
So did the US navy but theey withheld that info until now
I'm not an expert, but it was clear even to me. I didn't buy that 'sounds' thing at all. It was all commercial tripe keeping the audience hooked for higher viewer scores and more advertisement income.
But they could never say - "Well we're pretty sure it imploded, and the occupants are deceased...soooo... where not going to bother to search for them..." Everyone had to go through the motions... just in the 1 a trillion chance it did not implode and they were still alive... But you are absolutely, 100 percent correct. They all new it, couldn't really do anything else but to carry on until the 96 hour window expired.
Yeah, they put on this dog and pony show which captivated the news audiences while wasting millions of tax payer dollars. Experts knew they were dead.
James Cameron is simply a genius, he mastered film making without formal education and he did the same with submersible technology
Never thought he has this level of ‘obsession’ with deep water exploration to the point he made his own sub.. that’s surely the big reason why titanic become so classically great movie.. he made it with his heart head and soul… 🤍🔥
James Cameron knows what he's talking about. This isn't just one of the greatest filmmakers of all-time. This isn't just a man who made an Oscar-winning movie about the Titanic. He's made countless real-life deep sea trips to not only the Titanic site itself but even the Mirianas Trench as well. James is so obsessively detail-oriented that he went over every possible every imaginable scenario with the engineers who built his submersibles countless times before making his deep sea trips.
The same thing shows from his movies. Attention to the detail.
And he walked across the Pacific to get there.
well I believe he is a engineer and a pioneer as well..... his video technology was created for his movies and than it was used for other movies....
No shit shirlock
@@originalclassicswhat kind of weak man is just mean on the internet? Your low self esteem is showing. Clean your room.
I was literally watching Terminator 2 the other night and was marveling at how well it was directed and how it's stood the test of time. Then I watch this interview and how Cameron talks with such non arrogant expertise about a completely unrelated field and it makes me think that are some incredible people in this world. RIP to the dead.
Yet he made Kyle Reese John Connor’s dad. That never made any sense.
he is our only hope against skynet
@@07foxmulder it made sense. reese is smart as F
@@jamesnguyen7069 Don’t get me wrong. I adore Terminator 1 and 2. Just not a fan of that subplot
Cameron is a smart dude but also a brave dude to go 3x deeper than the titanic! Props to him
Very well said. I'm a mechanical engineer with decades lasting interest in submersibles and I can see he has a lot of knowledge and first hand experience.
Then you know you can't directly mate titanium to carbon fiber sheeting in the manner this craft did without eventual failure. There is too much dissimilar thermal expansion between the mated surfaces. Hell its common knowledge in some circles.
@@kennethbranson4711 Often you can mitigate the problem ef thermal expansion by the design. Metals and carbon composites are commonly used together, i. e. In aviation, so while being an obstacle it is probably possible to make a sound design from the two different materials. The problem could be in the weak interlayer bounding forces, which is no issue when the forces are stretching the composite, but may cause delamination when compressed. I think that is what was Mr. Cameron pointing out. Of course many other scenarios are still possible, like the one you've mentioned, poor join details, underrated components such as windows (as someone claimed, rated to pressure of much smaller depth) , etc. Designing submarines and submersibles is extremely serious and expensive business and especially when it comes too deep diving, which can be compared to space projects. People who know how expensive are components in aviation industry may have some idea how crazy expensive should be components of such a submersible. Ripping an X-box apart for a controller does not exactly make an impression of proper development. It seems this company did not take it as seriously as they should have been...
He has been the best explainer on this topic by far. Well done Mr. Cameron, thank you for your time, honesty and knowledge.
If they actually heard the sub starting to delaminate under the pressure before it imploded, that is truly terrifying.
I wonder what that last 15 seconds was like… what was said 😷
@@NoraGermain 'do you hear something?' followed by BANG
@ckots460 general purpose “ick” emoji - existed long before covid lol 😂
@ckots460 are you serious? masks have been used way before covid, its not a covid mask its a mask probably used because thinking about it makes Nora sick
@@EazyDuz18I think you would hear a cracking sound
Carbon fiber reacts differently in colder temps.
For instance a buddy of mine moved to Alaska and was working at a cannery in Kodiak Alaska. After work he noticed in mid winter there were King salmon schooling near the dock. Next day he brought his carbon fiber fishing pole to work and went fishing and snagged a King and didn't want to spend alot've time landing it. He tightened the drag down on his reel and caused his fishing pole to bend until it exploded into dust and all that was left were the metal eyes that guide the line. The fish snapped the line and was gone.
The sub had carbon fiber that failed under intense pressure and extreme cold.
While still on the drawing board was a death trap.
Wow, never saw fiberglas or bamboo disintegrate like that!
I've not been a fan of Anderson Cooper, but I think he did really well in this interview. The fact that he told Cameron that he was unclear about operations and technical matters went really far with me... he showed true curiosity to elicit information that would be useful to viewers.
Was about to say, love the way Cooper did this interview. Asked what had to be heard.
I'm a machinist/precision metal worker with 28 years on the bench building everything from Aerospace to telecommunications parts. I knew immediately apon hearing Titan had a carbon fiber body that it was catastrophic failure and that it was due to improper material selection. It's really sad that the ignorance and arrogance of Stockton Rush cost 4 people their lives
including his own
@@aaronlane8276 Plus his own....At least he wasn't sipping a Latte hearing of the 'event', while counting the $$$$$
Is there a book that explains the properties of materials like these? One that you can recommend.
@@AthamAldecua There are plenty that you can find using your search engine of choice. I am not suggesting any because it depends on what you are looking for, and how technical you want to get to. Carbon fibers and non metal composite materials have many different applications. Not for pressure vessels though. OceanGate's use was innovative and in a sad way, will help to ascertain limitations. But information about their use is easy to find. Vulgarization or primer books are aplenty.
@@p6x2 thanks! I'll check it out. I just finished a degree in chemical engineering but I want to learn a bit more about materials science.
This interview was excellent. I learned so much just by watching this video. Thank you James Cameron for informing us all.
James is such an expert he can explains this tragedy so clearly. He even figured it out in a few hours 😢
He already wrote the script for the movie based on real events
I was impressed
@@MicroClases_Ciencia?
Mr. Cameron explained this much more accurately and succinctly than all those other “experts” with multiple PHd’s.
Excellent analysis, James. I'm most impressed 👌.
I am a high school graduate that went into the commercial construction industry and retired from it. I learned so much just from different jobs/scenarios/materials throughout my career. When I learned it was a carbon fiber composite I said exactly what Cameron said in regards to movement on every dive. With each new dive you subject the microscopic failures to create more failures until catastrophe strikes. The big problem I have with this accident that should have never come close to happening is if my "uneducated" self can see the weaknesses of this design why didn't people who have the degrees and certifications see it blindfolded. NO COMMON SENSE
Boeing and NASA supposedly consulted on the design. I wonder how many dive cycles they thought this construction could withstand. I believe it was used 20 about times.
@@hobbyelectronics6630 Just saw that Boeing stated they didn’t work with Rush. And NASA did minimal and on Zoom during covid!!! Was it all lies to sell the brand?
@@christina3521wow
The CEO fired the old white guy that told him as much and hired diverse and unexperienced people because diversity.
@@origami83worked out well.. it’s sad. Giving up safety, and human lives for that reason..