A core part of Mat’s character is that other people’s needs come before his wants. This includes both friends and strangers. Mat spends most of the entire series wanting to escape from his responsibilities, but every time he gets close to escaping, someone is in danger and needs his help. The ladies in the Stone of Tear, the soldiers walking into a Shaido ambush, Moiraine in the tower of Ghenjei, just to name a few examples.
Mat gripes about it, especially when the people he is helping seem ungrateful, but he cannot bring himself to not do the right thing to help in his eyes
@@mjbull5156 I'm going through the books again and it's part of the humor how in denial he is about this. He saw 2 children crying and a despondent mother and instead of admitting he wanted to do the right thing he told Tom "It was annoying to hear them cry"
@@mjbull5156because he is a good person in the books, hands down. In this travesty I don’t even recognize the creature going around masquerading under the name Matt in this show! It is an insult to the series and just seems like proof that the writers are bad and jealous so they just go around destroying the work of others with actual talent and patting themselves on the back. As a long time fan, I started reading right after The Dragon Reborn was published in softcover. I remember discovering them one afternoon after school while wandering around the bookstore. I got all 3 and began a lifetime or reading and rereading this series. I still at least listen to the audiobooks once a year and try to actually physically reread the series every couple. It is a series I really enjoy and I forced myself to watch the first season and it was just such a frustrating experience that I swore off any further viewership. But some part of me keeps coming back to these critical reviews to I guess sate some morbid curiosity, to see how wrong they get the series with each further entry. And my goodness does the pile of sin and shame stack high… But at the end of the day wether ignorance or malice, these show people do NOT understand ANY of these characters and them being the caretakers is like Count Olaf getting the kids and keeping them in A Series of Unfortunate Events!
We can hate on Amazon, but the other side of this is Jordan's wife whom I believe has ownership over the IP and agreed to sell the rights to Amazon. At least Tolkien's son took great pains to safeguard his father's legacy. There's also Sanderson who gave the show a thumbs up... despite it being the shitshow that it is. :(
@@nicholascowling7052 I have not paid attention to Sanderson's and Ms. Jordan's politics. But since political out comes trump accuracy and legacy. I could see them signing off on this garbage.
@@nicholascowling7052 i would not say that BS gave the show a thumbs up i think he has just not come out against it. he has to play it safe to get his own material made. i know that he stated that there were a lot of things that he tried to dissuade them on in S1 and i dont think he is involved in S2. he came out and said that you have to look at this as another turning of the wheel, which i personally took as him saying that this is awful but i am not coming out and saying it directly.
I think it's very telling that my wife liked season 1 enough to embark on a 14 book reading binge, and subsequently hasn't acknowledged season 2's existence even once.
the thing that gets me is...if they had just stuck with the flow of the book..they could have done nearly all the weird , dumb stuff they wanted too...and they wouldn't have had to scramble to get everyone together in the places they need to be..because..you know..they would be there already. It pissed me off royally that after all the changes, episode 6 ends with the Amyrlin just randomly being in Cairhien and Rand going to see her because. All the buildup that Jordan managed to put into the meeting at the beginning of The Great Hunt is gone, and instead of getting the climactic finish in a properly told story..we're having stopping the action for something that should have been in episode 1.
The problem nobody seems to want at admit is that the real reason there are changes from the source material is that there is no way to bring the books to screen with the time and money budget they have to work with. Just think of how many extras would be required just to do justice to Rands meeting with the Amerlyn at the start of TGH (20 sisters alone plus a full town) like you mentioned. There are things I really don't like about the show, Lan has been done poorly for example, there is never enough time devoted to anything really for another, but I am at least reasonable in what I expect. A close adaptation was never in the cards, they have no choice but to do something different. Honestly for my money season 2 has been great with the exception of Lan, and minor niggles. That is so far this season, am I certain they are over catastrophic mistakes, hell no. The meeting that's going to happen this next episode alone will have major consequences to later events, and what way they have to go, let alone how they end the season.@@mattwhite4302
@@ichibancho I think that's the difference between good and bad writing. In good writing, things flow organically from what came before..and it's not just a clever shell game of easter eggs and 'foreshadowing'. You can trace the lines , even if it's in retrospect. In bad writing, things happen because it's just what the writers either wanted to happen and didn't earn or the writers have themselves in a hole and basically have to go "nah it'll be fine, maybe no one will notice, it happened off screen." That's still the number one thing about Lanfear and Rand that gets me...the whole thing came up off screen and we're left wondering "well how did THAT happen." And the answer ends up being "I guess Rand just got a little horny." All of the finale of last season was erased in 6 months of time that happened off screen.
Can't get the characters names right and conveniently forgot that the original Mat actor suddently quit after S1E6 and his arc had to be written out of the final 2 episodes and that change is still rippling through S2 abd that they're clearly moving the pieces to bring that story arc back closer to the books now by the end of this season.
Suroth/Loial abuse could never have happened in the book. The Ogier in Seanchan have some sort of agreement with the Empress, they aren’t her property. If Suroth meets a Ogier, she has no right to treat him worse than the Empress. She could tell him she would like to have him as a guest, or she would ask him to please leave and even if she was commanded to take Loial into custody by the Empress, she would have to handle him gently.
Furthermore, she calls him a gardener and us fans of the books know that Gardener is the rank of an ogier in the deathwatch guards so that interaction would never take place.
Considering that they completely rejected the base foundational premise of the explicitly gendered One Power, the very reason for everything in the story (men channeling is bad, the matriarchal social structures, etc.), nothing is beyond their ideological agenda.
I think they said the arc this season was supposed to teach her that she is more than her ability to channel the One Power. Though she certainly doesn't appear to be going through any character growth whatsoever. I think either Nynaeve will heal her or she will regain her connection after Ishamael is defeated. Either of those will happen without any explanation, probably.
@@Jamesmatise Funny that people obsessed with “diversity” and identity politics would try to tell a story about someone learning to not just identify themselves according to a specific trait.
@@Jamesmatise Not sure about that, I think they'll skip over Nynaeve healing her & have Siuan do it with Ter'angreal (& then have Nynaeve learn from that). Just a guess because I can't see how they could justify it at the pace they're going, but then given how bad the writing is anything is possible.
Moiraine is essentially a figure of Motherhood. She is dedicated to the Dragon Reborn, and sacrifices everything for him. (Suianne is the crazy Auntie in that conspiracy.) She is knowledgable, and a peacekeeper and teacher. She heals and strengthens others at her own expense, unable to heal herself. She is loving, but as an Aies Sedai she keeps it hidden. She protects others with great dedication. She is also regal, and beautiful. That's not to say she doesn't have imperfections: Her temper at times, especially the animosity meeting Lan, the manipulation, impatience ect. But essentially, she is a good person. The showrunners cannot stand that, and have subverted her to be evil and rude. The rudeness is their distortion of strength.
@@Jabbah123 I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never said Siuan was evil. The only thing I was saying about her was, if Moiraine is like a mother to Rand, Siuan is like an Aunt. This is based on "A New Spring," and their "conspiracy" overhearing the prophecy. The show clearly makes Moiraine evil though.
That’s too many character traits for this show @ChristianSorensen: You don’t actually believe rafe and the other hacks would be able to make a nuanced and balanced character in this toilet waste of a series do you??
@@xblood-_xdiamond8801 You've got a point. The one dimensional planks they've written can only embrace a single stereotype at a time. Moiraine is Grumpy Smurf.
I have to be honest. I read the first book and then started the second and then season 1 of this came out.. after that first episode just had to wash my hands of this whole series. Basically this show ruined the books for me in a way I couldn't be bothered continuing. But the passion you show in denouncing this show for its bull crap as you would say has once again made me pick the book back up and continue. Thank you Shad for suffering through what I would presume is utter hellish torment to give this story another chance and at the moment I'm hooked. Thank you kind sir.
What pisses me off is Lan blocking Rand, Lan was the one that told Rand in the books to man the fuck up he even went against Moiraine's wishes back in Fal Darah if i remember correctly. This is just another assassination of a character that's already a dead and beaten horse by this point. If Lan doesn't go you gotta do what you have to and helps him to get to Falme amma be (even more) pissed.
Lan practically adopted Rand as an honorary Malkier starts training him how to be a blade master & how to bow respectfully to the Amyrlin seat much to her chagrin at him being another Lan… The Lan in the show acts nothing like the character in the book. He actually helped Rand with channeling in the first place by teaching him how to calm his emotions by imagine feeding them into a flame in his mind. Lan was so important in the beginning
@@caren6310blocked rand? Lan literally cried and screamed in season 1,i think we have bigger problems in this show about character destruction😂and they even cut lans backstory in season 1(which is sad cuz he has one of the best backstories..
If you really think book Lan would go against the orders of Siuan just because he likes Rand, then you didnt understand the core of his personality. Duty is heavier than a mountain..
10:50 Yes!! Drive this point home over and over. It is not the lack of the book plots that pisses us off. It is the character assassinations of the male heroes. Rand and Elayne not meeting in book one. We miss the aww struck, light hearted coming of age boy moment that Rand deals with his entire journey through the books... Doing something silly and falling into a garden with the most beautiful girl he has ever seen... And all that comes of their relationship is RUINED by him effing Egwene... Effing Lanfear... Elayne has NO IDEA who Rand is. Everything that happens with Rand learning the ways of the Aiel from Avheinda is RUINED. Their interactions are pure and innocent until EACH of their first times in the igloo. Rand thinking he needs to marry her immediately... RUINED. Mat is the most DEEPLY loyal character in the books.. Even Rand and Perrin have their moments of using other people when times got tough. Mat ALWAYS puts aside his personal best interests for his friends and even barely friends like Mat does for Elayne. One of the best moments of the books and Mat's character is when Mat offers to give the Foxhead to Elayne to protect her. It is the pivotal moment in their relationship. Elayne's assumptions / take on Mat's character is shattered in that moment. She realizes she was completely wrong about him.. But these writers want us to see Mat as ONLY a selfish scoundrel. Him acting like a selfish a-hole for 7 seasons and turning around at the last minute WILL FALL FLAT. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH.
Man, this plot about Rand and Elayne meeting each is just boring and something that has been done a million times, it not something that need to be done again. Why everything about Rand learning the ways of the Aiel from Aviheinda is ruined? Why? Rand only this in book 4/5. And you talked about the igloo scene like a very good scene, that scene makes zero sense. Rand finds aviendha naked and she does travelling by accident? Something that she couldn't have know who to do it. It is funny this talk about mat, because in this two books mats doesn't do almost any, he only start to be a good character in book 3.
From a mostly practical point of view, I really hate the re-design of the A'dam. You can forget about washing a large part of your upper body, and unless those dressed are especially designed to slide off you, that's the last and only dress you'll ever wear which means that sooner or later that dress WILL become part of you, literally.
In the books they were like really simple collars, like loops of metal with a leash attached, and that's it. That would have been MUCH simpler to make, so I just cannot understand why they went so extra to the point of making them impractical. They are BURNING MONEY for literally no reason! I don't get the fucking gags either! The whole POINT of the collars is they instill absolute obedience, if you wanted them to not speak you'd just TRAIN them not to speak! That's the REAL scary part of these things, they allow you to TRAIN women like LITERAL PETS until they WANT to be obedient. There's a scene in the books where Egwene gets in trouble, her suldam sends Min away, cause MIN IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, and Egwene's SCREAMS follow Min as she leaves the building. It's a spine chilling scene and the follow up is after Egwene is freed we see her just SNAP. She collars her suldam, presses her hands to her mouth and just starts TORTURING her. This period of imprisonment SETS Egwene's path. It HEAVILY effects her. It makes her a much better channeler as they teach her the hard way, but it also permanently shifts her personality, and that shift pairs with other major periods in her journey to create the woman we eventually see.
@@haku8135 One reason for the change is said to have been a safety issue. Things like the scene where Egwene is literally being dragged across the floor could not be done with a simple collar without risking severe injury to throat and windpipe, with the more "harness"-type collar thats not an issue. Additionally there is the problem that everybody knows what a normal collar is and would assume this to be one (because the prop would obviously be one of those). Of course the audience has to be told this is a magic collar, but that is a lot easier to sell if it actually looks the part and you don't have to suspend your disbelieve to much. And finally: from the moment Madeleine Madden was cast as Egwene there were people who where concerned that showing a brown woman in a slave collar would bring historical images to mind that would detract from the actual story by make the Seanchen look like stand-ins for white colonialists (after all they are a power coming over the sea to take the land und brutally punish resistence). But with this massive gold piece nobody will think of 18th century slavery.
@@gildor8866 "One reason for the change is said to have been a safety issue." Thousands, nay hundreds of thousands can attest there is no safety risk in wearing a collar. Unless you're an idiot. "Things like the scene where Egwene is literally being dragged across the floor could not be done with a simple collar without risking severe injury to throat and windpipe" There is literally no reason for there to ever be a scene where Egwene is dragged around by the collar. The POINT of the collar is it demands obedience. If Egwene CAN walk on her own and you want her to move, you just tell her to move. If she cannot walk, you would not drag her, you'd pick her up. There is no reason for that scene and thus saying they can't do that scene without changing the collars is not a reason to change them. Again, bleeding money for no reason. "with the more "harness"-type collar thats not an issue." It's also not an issue if they just don't break Robert Jordan's fucking lore just to spend more money for no reason. "Additionally there is the problem that everybody knows what a normal collar is and would assume this to be one (because the prop would obviously be one of those)." That's retarded. You don't need a giant sign pointing to a stick that says "THIS IS A MAGIC WAND, IT DO MAGIC" you just have them cast a fucking spell. Are they really so stupid they think the audience is so stupid they couldn't figure out this collar is magic unless they turn it into an ugly ass harness after seeing its effects on Egwene? The Suldam literally tell Egwene what the collar fucking is, again, BLEEDING money for no reason at all. "Of course the audience has to be told this is a magic collar, but that is a lot easier to sell if it actually looks the part and you don't have to suspend your disbelieve to much." Suspend WHAT fucking disbelief? This world contains people that can use magic, magical objects, evil gods and thousand year old dark mages. Only a total moron would look at a collar that controls people and say "Well how can that be a magic collar? It doesn't have ORNAMENTATION! No, that's stupid. That's like saying a wand can't be a wand unless it has filigree and is encrusted with jewels. "And finally: from the moment Madeleine Madden was cast as Egwene there were people who where concerned that showing a brown woman in a slave collar would bring historical images to mind" First solution, don't cast a black chick as the fucking white country girl. Second solution, she IS being fucking enslaved, she is LITERALLY treated as a pet, so just DO IT ANYWAY. This isn't real life, it's a tv show. If a character wearing a collar is part of it, then that's part of it. If this garbage actress doesn't want to wear a collar, don't cast her to begin with. She clearly doesn't have enough talent to command the role, and she doesn't look a single bit like Egwene to begin with, so just cast someone who can do their job. The entire series has been released for YEARS, it's not like this event was a surprise..... Well, that assumes they READ the books, so I'm probably entirely wrong, they likely had no idea this would happen. "that would detract from the actual story by make the Seanchen look like stand-ins for white colonialists " Half of them are fucking black. Tuon is literally described as having REALLY dark skin. "(after all they are a power coming over the sea to take the land und brutally punish resistence)" They are literally FROM this land. They're RETURNING to reclaim the kingdom Hawkwing built. Regardless, fuck off, who the fuck cares? This is the story, FOLLOW IT. "But with this massive gold piece nobody will think of 18th century slavery" IT! IS! FUCKING! SLAVERY! IT LITERALLY IS! WOMEN WHO CAN CHANNEL ARE SLAVES IN THIS SOCIETY! Literally everything you've said has been NONSENSE.
1:00:12 The Amyrlin did wear a stole that was striped in the seven colors of the seven Ajahs. The Keeper of Chronicles wore a stole that was of the color of her former Ajah.
The books made it clear that the stole was mandatory for official functions and was useful in declaring to the uninitiated who held the office but it was not necessary to wear it at all times as well. That might not be useful in a tv show but I liked that in the books.
"I'm going to literally join the prime evil for the sake of my son's life!" "But wait! My son is huwite and mail, it would be better for all if he was ended lol" "...Guess I'm evil for no adequately explained reason then"
Any time the Bond is broken involuntarily, whether by death, stilling or being burned out, the Warder suffers the same effects. According to _The Wheel of Time Companion,_ pg. 790: "A warder whose Aes Sedai died suffered greatly and rarely lived long afterward. This effect was actually the result of the bond being severed involuntarily, and *_not exclusively the result of the death_* of the Warder's Aes Sedai." (Emphasis mine.) So, if Moiraine was stilled, her bond to Lan was absolutely broken involuntarily, and Lan should have immediately begun the "Warder Rage." Once again, the idiots running this show are completely ignorant of even the most basic aspects of the lore.
@@man_person_camera_tv She wrote, "I have been stilled." So, either she's been stilled, or she's Black Ajah. Either way, the people writing this crap are clearly idiots.
@@davezdude3200 That is incorrect. Interview: Oct 5th, 2005 Robert Jordan's Blog: YET ANOTHER, IT SEEMS Robert Jordan For Roland Arien, a lot of people have asked questions about Alric's death. I should have made matters plainer. As I envisioned it, Alric, having sensed Siuan's extreme shock, came running to her and arrived just in time to be stabbed just before Siuan was taken into the anteroom. She should have sensed the knife going in, but that was masked by her shock. When she sees him lying there, he is dying, though not yet dead. As I said, I should have made it plainer.
@@man_person_camera_tv Thank you. I came back to say exactly this. No idea where someone would get the idea that Alric died of shock after Siuan was stilled since the novel quite clearly states that Siuan saw him dying as she was led from her study. It's legitimately amazing to me how many people are completely clueless about the specifics of these novels. Even if one hasn't read them multiple times, it takes all of about 30 seconds to open Google and search for, "How did Siuan's warder die?"
The warder rage definitely happens for stilling as well. When Siuan was stilled her warder was preemptively murdered specifically so that he wouldn't sound the alarm by raging out once she was stilled, don't even remember if her warder had a name but I remember that the chapter from her perspective after the stilling that she bounces hysterically between grief over his death, the memory of how his death briefly effected her through the bond and guilt at the blank numbness that replaced those emotions once she was stilled and how it's like a piece of herself that was tortured and then subsequently written out of existence.
It has become all too common for show runners to believe that they are better writers than the actual authors of the base works are. They're not, of course, but they still insist on doing this "reimagining" of the source material.
People complaining about women representation in books should 1st go after the romance writers for making all their books, about women chasing after men. LMAO.
what kind of books are those? i read several romances and its always female being bullied yet secretly super-smart or something and male lead being borderline *apist
I do need to give credit where it's due. This show does one thing extremely well: Getting Shad to make these reviews that get me interested in reading the books.
@@korionterivers9995 I probably will, but I'm still reading Dune at the moment, and also the bible(purely out of interest) but I'll see if I can fit it in between somewhere. The way Shad and his wife speak of them give me no doubt they're amazing.
The only way they could save this is have a scene where there's a flash and Rand pulls his hands away from a portal stone hearing "I win again Lews Therin." ringing in his ears, then actually adapt the books.
I originally was fine with the explanation of "another turning of the wheel". After about the 3rd time of them destroying how the world and magic system works, I threw that out the window. This isn't wheel of time. This is Shill of TIme.
Lol not that there aren't issues with the show, there's also a lot of witch hunting going on. This comment is a prime example. I got news for ya, the magic system was a complete mess throughout the first 3 books. It was inconsistent, things were done early on that were actually not even possible as we learned how it actually works and were eventually just filed away under the category of "Early Bookisms" never to be spoken of again. Kind of to be expected though I guess, given the nature of this channel. I mean I'm not looking to follow or watch a channel that is all flowers and rainbows who ignores any bad stuff but nor am I going to watch or give any more time to a channel that is all doom, gloom, more about attacking the show and hating for the sake of hating. Good luck with your cancel culture campaign I guess. Hope the hate and horribly biased takes gets your channel as many cheap clicks as possible. Just bad, so bad. Officially the Gil Arenas of WoT channels 👍
@@Finnssssssits pointless to argue with these people. Honestly seems like most of these commenters havent even read the books or forgot most of the early books by now. Its just cheap rage bait for clicks. And that works perfectly fine for all these Andrew Tate fanboys.
@@Jabbah123 I'm guessing I've read the books more times than you (18 and counting), know the lore better than you, and could explain to you in excruciating detail how the show is complete garbage created by hacks who couldn't write a decent story if they were given a wealth of source material to use. Shad is spot on with all of his criticisms. You're just to stupid to recognize it.
@@Finnssssss do you have examples as to what was "not even possible"? I'm not saying you're wrong but the show included things that didn't show up till the later books (so not early bookism) and changed how they worked
In the books Lan was described as stone faced and a man who's basically solid muscle and that him raising an eyebrow is the same thing as another person literally flipping out
Lanfear kills Liandrins fake baby in this. That's kind of a character assassination of Lanfear even. Lanfear doesn't really think of herself as evil or act evil, she just throws epic tantrums about Rand.
Generally Lanfear didn’t kill people for no reason, but Lanfear did murder many many people in service to the Dark One. Lanfear in the beginning of the book series, she behaving mostly in Rand’s sight to convince him to love her again. And murdering a dozen people all around him isn’t very effective at getting the farm boy to fall in love with her.
One of my favorite things about the book main characters is that they’re all reluctant. Matt the reluctant war hero, Perrin the reluctant noble, and Rand the reluctant savior.
Warders in this series are really starting to bother me. None of the warders seem capable of winning a fight but every warder is supposed to be basically a one man army. The death in this one wasn't super bad, he died because a channeler got him while his Aes Sedai was quitting on the fight. But every time you see a warmer fight in this series they just get their asses kicked unless their Aes Sedai is there doing the heavy lifting.
I’m disturbed that it’s literally implied in the book that Lan is one of the most deadly fighters alive, yet where Moiraine could defeat a Myrrdral with a knife! Lab couldn’t defeat two at the same time with swords. He’s mediocre at best ! Just seems wrong
Having read all the books yet, but Moiraine’s interactions with her family I think helps us understand a vital aspect of the aes sedai thats thematic this season with them being long-lived, but also about how being aes sedai can affect one’s family? Idk I see value in it personally as exposition.
Rand learns a lot of weaves on his own, completely without a teacher. He also learns weaves from Lews Therin's voice in his head. Much of his learning to channel is done completely on his own.
Spoilers… A lot is very subjective amount. How many weaves does Rand use prior to Azmodian? Eye of the world 2. The hunt… 6? 4 being accidents or 3 and 1 being Lanfear. In Tear… there’s like 6-10 and he can’t control it. He doesn’t learn a lot on his own… he learns a handful. Azmodian teaches him to the touch the power reliably, gateways, lamps, fire, warming an area, shielding dreams… and a ton of other stuff that is implied. You can even argue you don’t like Lews Theron as a deus ex machina device in the books. But he learns like 1/10 of what he knows by the end from Azmodian, could argue that 5/10 is a more advanced version of the 1/10 Azmodian teaches.
@@chrisf2636 Rand specifically says _many_ times throughout the books that he does things without knowing what he's doing, but once he does it, he remembers it. The actual text says your assessment is nonsense. You're welcome to argue whatever you want...but you're clearly wrong.
@@meganega123 In the actual _Wheel of Time,_ Logain never tells Rand anything of the sort. I have no idea what Faux-gain told Randy in _The Wheel of Prime._
There was moments in this one that almost felt like a shadow of wheel of time, but it's like a fear of showing the true story. The Seachen will not allow an ogier to swear the oaths & to force a Treesong from Loial is wrong on every level.
@@Jabbah123 no need for a map. Horses are a thing there. Besides the point is she was missing and it was made a thing. And no it is basically dropped and no one cares where she went before arriving in Carhein
@@Jabbah123 It was only said she went to Caemlyn. And it doesn’t matter where anyway. The point is it was presented as a mystery and then dropped. People who didn’t supposedly know showed up with her.
Or Gandalf, Aragon, Boromir, etc. Literally absent any of the charachters Robert Jordan created. Or, to be accurate, charachters created by Jordan in name only.
Started reading the books after watching the series, and then some review channels like this one. I think the biggest fails of the series are: 1 the representation of the world map, which is just chaotic. In the books you get a sense of the real distances involved. In the series it's like you have jet lag because you are jumping from location to location with no real sense of how they relate to each other in space. 2. the representation of the concept of ta'veren. In the series it just comes off as prophecy...these are the important people so there. In the books it's actually a really intriguing well thought out concept that gets behind the way in which people who movies are written about actually end up having all the strange things and coincidences happen to them. It's such a great concept, and the series completely failed to put it across. 3. the weirdness of the bad guys not being able to win by killing the good guys. It's so interesting in the book the way that the characters start to realise that they aren't in the TYPE of danger they originally think. They think they are in danger of their lives, but turn out to be in danger of losing their souls. The adaption has just made a mess of that. We still don't even understand if they are in physical danger of the forsaken just hauling off and killing them or not.
The single biggest fail is rejecting the core foundational premise of the explicitly gendered One Power. This was the reason for everything, including the matriarchal social structures. Everything else falls out from that failure.
I believe Loial(book) would have done it if his friend was in danger or being tortured or something like that. But I agree that if he was being tortured or threatened that he would no.
The first time we see him do this in the books, is at the eye of the world, after the green man dies. He sings to give him a sort of tombstone tree. It's a really sweet moment. Later in the world of the portal stones, he sings a tree into a quarterstaff and Rand and Hurin are really impressed. Why would anyone even want to torture him to make him tree sing? THIS WASN'T NECESSARY AT ALL! "Oh the books have TOO much in them. Which is why we ripped out ALL the good stuff, and shoved in WAY more filler that isn't needed at all. I'm a professional writer."
1. I also think that they shouldn't drag out the Egwene scenes. What is more important in Egwene's capture is really how she was trained to do a lot with the One Power during her capture and that is important for her growth in the books. 2. They cut ALL the Moiraine scenes. Complete waste of time. 3. What is confusing regarding Lanfear was that she seemed to not know that Rand was Dragon Reborn before Rand admitted he can channel. Then in this episode, she said she had been protecting him all along? 4. Why no one points out that Lanfear ALWAYS WEAR WHITE in the books and this Lanfear wears anything and even Black and the scene in the dreams, she is now Hera from Thor: Ragnarok.
@@caren6310ikrrrr also selene was supposed to be 18-19 NOT 48 she looks soooo old in the show. And proud selene who considers herself to be above common people is a shopkeeper(bar owner) in this show?! The books selene would annilate the show selene for ruining her personality
@@winxclubflora8446 yeah I agree. Lanfear did mention that she will never play a character of a low social standing. But I believe this point was already brought up in previous episode analysis when "Selene" first came out in the TV series.
Egwene‘s breaking is one of the key moments for her character development in the books. Learning battle weaves is important too, but its nowhere as important for her arc as the scene that you call „dragged out“. As for Lanfear, obviously she knew he was the dragon reborn. Thats why she was manipulating his dreams.
@@Jabbah123 no, Egwene didn't actually "break" in the books. A person who breaks behaves very differently even after being released. A good example will be Theon Greyjoy in GoT. Egwene was smart enough to "condition herself" and train her mind not to fight. But she was very aware that she wanted to be free and get her revenge. It is a misinterpretation of Egwene that the TV series placed so much emphasis on her "breaking". Anyway, it's not like we are still pretending that the show is adapting the story. Taken by itself, I don't really mind this change but only problem is that I don't think there are enough episodes to not cause season 2 to be another rush and jumping about of plots and storylines resulting in inconsistencies. There are only a couple of episodes left. Let's see.
2 men we saw die watched a woman who has been characterized as impossibly unbreakable be presented as a slave as her friend who has already brought someone back from the dead and fought an entire army is working to free her. This show really knows how to make the stakes feel real, doesn't it?
@@MatthewLoom yes, most likely the two scenes were shot back to back and they forgot that it was supposed to be days apart, either that or they wanted to have some reason they'd know Egwene was there, which was stupid because them knowing Egwene was captured ended up having no impact on the end of the season.
The armerlin wears a seven colored striped shawl and the keeper wears a white shawl bordered in the color of her previous aaja. Except Elida who wears a six colored shawl having abolished the blue
Matrim; dies, crosses continents, falls in love, leads armies by begrudging circumstance, enters a new realm, saves a witch he doesn't like, loses an eye, gets betryaed by his love, finds a new love, loses his freedom, gains a station he doesnt want... all for his friends. Notrim; theiving, lecherous, depressed, back-stabbing friend hater. Good job, writers.
This happens in later books tho. Its also quite telling you forgot that Mat tells Rand to stay away from him, so he doesnt kill him when he goes mad. Truly an amazing and heroic person in book 2.
@@Jabbah123 No, I haven't forgotten anything regarding the major character moments for Mat. Him having a moment - a moment that never ends up defining his character - with Rand, the two of them being in contention, that leads nowhere, isn't liable to be put into the same set of moments/circumstances that actually develop who he is as a character. His "Waaah you're the Dragon, get away from me!" incident has LESS impact on him as a person, than Perins' whole "Gaaah we are no longer friends!" act with Rand before they separate, had on WHO Perin was. Dude invented CANNONS (with help), from pulling apart explosive implements - an act in universe stated to be nigh on a sucicidal task - to save his entire world. Pretty sure that means he's vested in his own life, or his friends, more than wine, Red Ajah games, and lying/theiving. This on screen portrayal isn't Matrim.
1:04:35 I feel like all of them had time to run away, including the yellow aes sedai and her warder. I mean, they got away with their hands tied in the jungle, why not a bustling city with hands free and a head start. They didn’t even try.
It bugged me that Ryma and her warder got such a cool scene despite being useless side characters, while Egwene gets caught off screen, and Nynaeve and Elayne get away by...just reaching open ground.
@@mattwhite4302 yeah I feel like the show has cool moments but doesn’t give two craps about how they get to it and it takes away from the cool moments they have when you’re left sitting there scratching your head.
"not enough Ta'veren stuff in the show" Well.. they never even EXPLAINED what a Ta'veren IS in the show. Also I don't remember them ever mentioning Ta'veren again after the first episode! Or how Moiraine knew that there were "4 Ta'veren" in the Two Rivers, especially since noone else knew about it, not even the people in the Emond's Field, here it was just a weird unexplained excuse for her to go there rather than her long search for a "boy about this age who was born on the slopes of Dragonmount"
Their explanation of the Dragon Reborn is just the chosen one. The show has done precious little world building because the writers don’t get the fantasy genre, they’re most likely drama writers who took the work because they couldn’t get a project they actually wanted. It’s why the show spends so much time talking about people’s emotions because that’s the writing team’s comfort zone. It also doesn’t help that they rush through any section that doesn’t involve the Aes Sedai.
Of all the character assassinations, I do think Mat's arc is by far the worst. This man gave up "half the light of the world to save the world." He spends a lot of time in the books reflecting on the good lessons he learned from his father and Rand's father and putting those lessons into practice. He's incapable of betraying anyone. Period.
This part of the books lines up the most with the story Rafe wants to tell because it features a woman literally trying to break bonds of oppression. I was surprised he didn’t gender-swap the Sul’Damane, but then I saw the fan-bait. He’s so predictably pathetic.
The back and forth arguing is really so silly. The truth is that this isn't the Wheel of Time (the book series) and I honestly don't think Jordan would approve of this... especially given the huge success GOT had become by sticking to the books and following that story. I still think it's absolutely disgusting that Judkins and his team are using the WOT meatsuits to tell THER story.
@@lifeon2I‘ve read GOT, and it‘s true what he said. Sure there are minor differences, but the major arcs overwhelmingly follow the same plotlines, highs, and lows, as in the books. At least up until book 4, that‘s how far I read it. And also what is generally considered the shows best seasons. WoT has been massively changed, comparatively speaking. The entire first book was replaced, same with the second. The arcs are barely even tangentially similar to the books. The only things that stayed the same were the most broad descriptions of the events: Group of people from Emonds Field leave to save their village, and maybe the world. Waygates (if you can call the shows depiction that) are used, and Rand ends up confronting a forsaken at the end. Also parts of the world are the same. That‘s it. Everything else is changed, and all the details of those events.
Rand's training scene... Embrace the source.. powers up... With that kind of power you can fight any one.... training over.... ... The is this Mary Rey Sue training in a nutshell... ONly Logain cannot go with Rand otherwise he'd have access to weapons and top himself, I think the writes wrote themselves into a corner... Specially with Logain thinking HE is the Dragon and not that Logain could train him then off himself with his goal in life achieved... To save the world... Fighting the soul crushing loss of the ONe Power long enough to see his student, The Dragonm over teh finish line.. It could have been one hell of an arc, if done right..
15:20 you were not listening to the subtext. Lanfear said men hold women back, men make things worse, men make everything terrible. Leandrin letting Lanfear murder her own son says one thing more than anything: Men deserve death, do not help them, let them die. Exactly as this woman centric men hating show has been saying _since season one_
This scene was actually not bad..especially because Lanfear is just full of shit, and full on mocking Liandrin by throwing her own words back at her. Basically she's having a lark at Liandrin's expense and showing her to be the utter hypocrite that she (Liandrin) actually is..and how all her reasons are just bogus. Or maybe I'm just rewriting the scene into a better one, who knows.
This was by far the best episode, because you are actually able to find some resemblance to the books. The bar is SO LOW, though, that anything that even seems like it's taken from the books seems good in comparison, when it's actually just much less objectionable.
The whole plotline of Egwene not being able to lift the jug and not being allowed to wash IS IN THE BOOKS. It is SPOKEN as a couple lines by Egwene to MIN, because SHE IS THERE TOO BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL FRIENDS. Egwene's entire capture by the Seanchan is only GLIMPSED by us. Most of what happens is told to us in Egwene's visits with Min. And it's HEARTBREAKING because at this point we KNOW Egwene, we care about her, we want her to succeed, and here she is being TORTURED by these monsters who LITERALLY see her as a pet, and that's the NICEST of them. We don't NEED entire bloody episodes where she tries to pick up a jug!!! It's MORE impactful to just visit Egwene and listen to her almost breaking down to Min about what has happened to her rather than just watch her badly act.
@@haku8135 There a really good advice about writing anything, the advice is: "show, do not tell". To show how horrible the situation of being damane is, they need to really show how horrible it is, because it needs to be a fear for the rest of the show, that being damane is worst than death. Also, in the books, min is about to visit Egwene because she is not a channeler, in falme right now, there is only people that channel, Nynaeve and Elayne.
@@haku8135 It was an excellent episode, you lot need to get over yourselves. This channel has collated the most extremist of book readers lmao, like literally any other forum you see them praising the episode (incl. book readers), it's rated 9/10 despite some review bombing, and yet here you are completely unable to appreciate the emotion in that episode, which did a great job at showcasing Seanchan cruelty.
@@_stefan7589 EXCELLENT? You sure heap praise upon the SLIGHTEST of competence, don't you? The plot is still full of holes, the episodes are riddled with bloat, the acting is mostly garbage, the outfits are hilariously bad, the actors don't ever look book accurate, Elaine is the closest at least but doesn't act like book Elaine anyway so it doesn't matter. The Forsaken are immortal somehow, the power is nonsensical, the men are worthless, the women are all unbreakable girlbosses with no vulnerability, the heroes are evil, the villains are just misunderstood, and most of all it is an objectively TERRIBLE adaptation.
If a Warder's Aes Sedai dies, they know the where and the how, and will seek revenge, which usually results in the former Warder's death (The Fires of Heaven). Something similar happens to the Aes Sedai when their Warder dies, though they usually have the self-control to not go on a revenge trip (The Shadow Rising & A Memory of Light), however; after the initial shock, the Aes Sedai becomes emotionally unstable (Lord of Chaos).
If they get that far. Id be curious to see how they butcher dumais wells because they wont want to have him be a victim to women or the forced bond etc
Why is everything so damn dark? This is supposed to be a rennaissance era, not a medievel era. Theres not supposed to be bare stone walls lit by torches. There should be paneled walls with oil lamps illuminating everything. Why is everything happening at night? Why would loial say anything about egwene, they are only around each other in season 1 and never even speak to each other. The suldam tells egwene if you hit me the collar will give you double the pain, but she never actually hits her. Why not let the hit land, and show egwene getting her face smashed? Min does say her visions always come true. Lan riding up on the amyrlins gaurds without ever announcing himself, then him opening the amyrlins door instead of her gaurds is ridiculous. The amyrlin wears a seven striped stoll representing all the ajahs.
8:20 I suppose Rand is going to die then, since Min's signs always come true. 13:00 This replaces a rather nice bit in the book where Egwene cries to Min about the Aes Sedai being brainwashed and made into a pet by the Seanchan 17:30 Loial is captured? From what I recall the Seanchan respect the Ogier as much as everyone else does. The Ogier in the Deathwatch were the only ones not enslaved. 24:30 As I recall, Moiraine appears only three times in book 2, at the start, at the end, and when she is attacked at the sisters' cottage. In Book 3 Verin returned with Mat and the 3 girls to the Tower. After Rand leaves the hidden camp, Perrin goes with Moiraine the whole time. 27:00 The Seanchan did break Egwene. They gave her a trauma about being captured & collared that holds her back later. 45:00 On the Warder bond: "This effect was actually the result of the bond being severed involuntarily, and not exclusively the result of the death of the Aes Sedai." It is the same for stilling. One of the sisters stilled at Dumai's Wells: "One of her Warders dropped dead from the shock, the other was killed fighting the Shaido" 59:55 The Amyrlin wore a stole of the seven colours. The Keeper wore a stole of her own Ajah's colour Why would they move the Amyrlin's trip from Fal Dara at the beginning of book 2, where she could meet all three boys, to Cairhien after the group has dispersed?
Anyone else feel like they are going to do a switch and make nynave the dragon and just use rand as a fake out. I mean she is the main character of the show it seems
I don't know, rand has accomplished nothing in the show while nynave is being hailed as the greatest ever. Rand believed he was the dragon so moraine did, but he didn't do anything at the eye except release the forsaken. Nynave destroyed the army at the gap and now they are making her a blade master. I think they are faking us out and going to have rand be a dumb random male channeler who made a mistake and released the forsaken and nynave as the dragon is the hero who fixes it
I'm not a book reader but I'm confused about Moiraine and how, why, and who stilled her, or this just to Aes Sedai? I know it's different but in season 1 the false dragon, as far as I was aware had to be taken to the White Tower to be gentled so how and who stilled Moiraine? Is this explained, maybe I missed it, maybe it happened the Eye of the World, but I don't remember that being the case. I know didn't have her powers there but it wasn't made clear that her powers would be gone forever. Can someone please explain (if there is an explanation)? There must be some thinking behind this in the show if this isn't in the books beyond it just meaning Moiraine can be in a certain place without her powers.
So in the book series there is a process that in the Age of Legends was called Severing. In the current age it is called Gentling for Men, and Stilling for Women. The effect is the same: it permanently cuts the person off from the True Source, though they are still able to sense its presence. For Aes Sedai (women) there is the additional effect of removing the oaths they swore on the Oath Rod. In all cases the person Severed ends up losing the will to live (with rare exception). Now, in the books there are also cases of a very strong one power user shielding a much weaker one, almost so that it would be permanent. The hypothesis for the show is that Moiraine is actually shielded but mistakes it for Stilling. For if she was stilled she could lie and Lan’s bond would have snapped.
@@bookcloaks Thanks for explaining this, I did know most of this already from other reviews, but it's always good to know. What the question I really wanted answered though was that wouldn't Moiraine have actually had to have been in the presence of many Aes Sedai to be stilled? If this was the case she'd know whether it was shielding or being stilled. I thought shielding was something she would herself. I get that us, the audience, wouldn't know, but she would. It just seems like poor show writing to me.
@@mattpotter8725 No, because this gets into the relative power levels of specific characters such as Logain, Ishamael, Moiraine, Liandrin and others. Ishamael is as strong as they come and could theoretically Still Moiraine on his own. In the books there is a similarly strong male character that Stills 3 Aes Sedai at once. Most Aes Sedai by the time of the books are not strong enough to do the reverse to a man, and therefore they utilize linking to overpower a man to gentle him. It’s also worth noting that linking is something women can do (up to a point) that men cannot.
@@bookcloaks Thanks again, great to have more knowledge. The only reason I asked was that for Moirraine to be stilled (and assuming it wasn't by someone as powerful as Ishamael) something like happened to Logain when he was captured by the many Aes Sedai before being taken to the White Tower would have needed to happen, it's not just something where a character with power might just wake up and have lost their power. The other reason was that Moirraine didn't have access to the one power at the Eye of the World, but it wasn't suggested that she'd never get it back, then we next see her collecting water months later when at the house of the retired/former Aes Sedai so unless something happened off screen between these scenes, which it was the case surely have been somehow conveyed to the audience I still don't understand how she lost her power. And more than this it doesn't really explain why she treats Lan the way she did (even though I understand that when stilled or shielded they lose the link to their warder).
@@mattpotter8725 yes, it’s the status of Lan’s bond that has us all confused. Because if she was stilled he would be dead or in a suicidal rage. But if she was shielded, she should know she is shielded, so… it makes no sense.
In the books, after Mat has woken up from his healing, Lanfear walks into his room and puts all these ideas into his head about why he can't trust the Aes Sedai. Then she leaves. Of note, she was not wearing this big stupid dress, she has never worn anything that gaudy from what I recall. Later, Siuane visits Mat and they talk a while and then she says, paraphrasing "You know you remind me of my uncle. He was the laziest man I knew, always tried to get out of work and never put any effort in. He died in a fire. He kept running back into the building to get the children still inside out. He wouldn't stop running back in until every child was safe." The books are so damn good. This is who Matrim Cauthon is. "Mat, Rand and Perrin are in serious trouble, you need to get to Tyre to help them!" "What!? That's stupid! How am I supposed to just stroll on over to TEAR? Do you have any idea how far away that is? What am I going to do to help that they can't do themselves? Yeah one ticket to Tear please. It's so stupid! I'm going to get there and they'll be just fine. I shouldn't even bother you know." Then he gets on a boat going to Tear. Also I would like to point out, I checked a map, Tar Valon is literally as far away as you can GET from Falmme without going into the wastes. So Liandrin would have had to transport 3 grown women ACROSS A CONTINENT while keeping them all unconscious, watered, fed and CLEANED, cause if any of them wakes up for just a few seconds, they can set her on FIRE. There is NO WAY Liandrin is powerful enough to keep THREE women shielded at once. That also means all of them should be captured, if she can keep them unconscious for the entire journey, she can keep them unconscious long enough to have the..... devices, put on them. Light they even ruined the magic collars! HOW DO YOU RUIN MAGIC COLLARS!?
I agree with everything said except the parts about Tyre confused me. Where is Tyre? Did you mean Tear? Or Tyr in the borderlands where Faile comes from?
About Loial and treesinging. I believe that you are ascribing to it a greater degree of sacredness than is presented in the books. Treesinging is done with purpose, and yes, he would hate it being a simple entertainment, but it would not be a moral betrayal for him to do so, as it is most commonly used to create everyday implements such as bowls and hand tools. He would resist being used in this way, but not to the point of defiance.
Siuan was never ostentatious. Her dress and furniture were always described as simple and functional. She did wear a stole striped with the 7 colors of the aes sedai.
Anyone who claims this show is a different turning of the Wheel to justify the complete stupidity the writers have put into this show is simply demonstrating that they know nothing at all about this series. When the Second Age comes around again, the Dragon won't be named Lews Therin Telamon. When the Third Age comes around again, the Dragon Reborn won't be named Rand al'Thor. The Ages repeat in largely broad strokes; people and places don't have the same names each time the Age comes around again. Thom makes this absolutely clear when he tells Elayne that he's found multiple stories that are clearly about Brigitte under different names. The Heroes of the Horn _all_ confirm this is true, as they are _ALL_ known by many, many names.
There's a scene in Book 4 where Thom and Moiraine are trying to one another by revealing potentially damaging details about each other. Moiraine knows that Thomdril Merrilin is the Gray Fox, who was Morgase's lover and who could play the Game of Houses in his sleep. Thom calls Moiraine Damodred "Taringail's youngest half-sister." Which means that in the books, at least, Moiraine may have an older sister, but she does not have any younger.
I still feel like Moiraine is Shielded even though she writes that she has been Stilled. For her right now, it's effectively the same thing, there are no capable male channelers around to reverse it, so may as well be Stilled. Maybe Rand will save the day with removing the Shield, he can do something useful finally.
If she was shielded she would be able to feel the Source, just not embrace it. By male or female. If she is stilled, she can't feel it at all. The problem is Ishmael in s1 ep8 says how bad it sucks being able to feel the Source, but not touch it which implies shielding. She says she is stilled. Aes Sedai know what stilling feels like, so she would know if she is shielded or stilled
@@ethanbrinkman3401 I too think she is shielded. There are many hints done on purpose as if, to show that she is shielded, not stilled. Even the moment Ishamael says It must be awful to BE ABLE to feel The Source, but not to be able to touch it. They show how a shield looks like, what the stilling(gentling) of a man looks like, what shield over a woman looks like. There was no other reason for Liandrin to shield Nynaeve, other than to show how shielding a woman looks like. Nynaeve struggled to breathe, just like Moiraine was gasping as if someone had suffocated her. It was described as pain in both cases. There was a knot-like wave in the hand of Ishamael, but Moiraine couldn't see that, she just felt pain. He ties the shield with a knot. There is a good chance that Moiraine doesn't know how it feels for a woman to be stilled. What they know by now - to hold a shield over someone takes effort and the moment the shield is let go off, the shielded person is free. If they knew a shiled could be tied up, they would do it with Logain and go to dinner. Instead, they made a point to show how hard is to hold a shield. They don't have that knowledge. Also the biggest fear for an Aes sedai is to be stilled. Women go crazy, both man and women attempt suiside, they get depressed ets. No one mention how it ACTUALLY feels like, aside of some abstract ideas. Not actual specific sensations. Why? Because it happens rarely, so much so they say the novices had to learn the names of the women and their crimes by heart. So few they are and so long ago. Also Lan is fine, not going crazy, Moiraine is not going crazy or suicidal. Their bond is fine just masked. Convinient. The show made a huge point to show the unreliable narator, or simply how many people are just WRONG when they say something. Since episode one, again and again, they say these weird things that could be considered lies. And they get away with them because the person who says them believes them to be truths. Also sometimes to me some of them sound like straight up lies, because they seems like some of them are facts that aren't for interpretationa and they know that. I also think that because of the conversation of Ishamael and Lanfear, Ishamael has plans for Moiraine and he left her shilded on purpose in order to tell her later that only he is able to get her power back if she get's on his side or something...
@@ethanbrinkman3401 Yeah, I realized after i posted this that Moiraine wouldn't have been able to lie about that, if she said she was Stilled, then she at least believes it to be true. Oh man, maybe one of the girls can fix her soon! 🤗
@@esterzach Thanks for the comment! I agree with everything you said, and it helps me to explain why Moiraine was able to write "i have been Stilled." because maybe she doesnt exactly know what it would feel like, plus they think shields must be maintained and cannot be tied off at all. She believes she is Shielded. But then, I think why couldn't Rand see the tied Shield on her? Unreliable narrator or special Forsaken stuff or Rand just doesn't have that type of mastery yet?
@Saerwen_Celeste only thing I can think of is she is shielded, but since Ishmael can invert his weaves rand can't see them. Still don't like what they've done with this plot line. Too many changes and contradictions
Its a military force written but people who have no clue how the military works, and they are a bunch of self proclaimed know it all's who are to self-centered to ask an expert how a military force would work.
No reactors I've watched have said anything about Liandrin wearing a BLACK shawl cloak at Siuans arrival to Cairhien. I thought Aes Sedai made a point to never wear black, even for travelling, maybe I'm wrong. Also this was after Liandrins meeting with Lanfear, so who knows what she is up to with Lanfear now.
You need to be in range to sense a weave, the more powerful the weave the longer the distance needed to sense it, but you have to have line of sight to SEE the weave to know what's being done.
The Liandrin plot in the episode is the result of far too many writers in the writing room, because they are most likely separating into smaller groups and writing what they want without tlaking to everyone else first.
45:15 Funny thing about this bond in question, if I recall this warder did still almost get himself killed on his path to his new Aes Sedai and he was barely surviving still looking for a purpose he later found in another Aes Sedai he believed in.
Thank god, been eagerly awaiting this since I had to sit through it. Probably the best episode of the show so far which isn't saying much, but at least there's FINALLY some stuff that resembles the books. This episode is maybe a 1.25 against a series of 1.0's
I seem to remember book 2 having quite a bit about a Great Hunt for the horn. Seems to have been a very short hunt and the Horn has been barely mentioned. Why are we supposed to care if it gets blown in the final episode or who by? Im guessing in this version, Nynaeve or Lanfear will blow it
A small correction; Loial and Ingtar know Egwene got captured because they were there when she was presented to Turok. They spent both of their scenes in the last episode standing in one spot. I also find it amusing that, once again, Rand's entire motivation to do anything is because of Egwene. His only role in this shit show of a shit show is to simp for her.
Wait... An Aes Sedai uses the power to kill a _sul'dam_ in this episode? So, she's Black Ajah? The _sul'dam_ aren't shadowspawn or darkfriends, and unless the _sul'dam_ was actively trying to kill the Aes Sedai, her warder, or another Aes Sedai, the Third Oath would completely prevent her from attacking the _sul'dam_ with the Power. FFS...Example 8954 that these idiots know nothing about the story they claim to be trying to adapt.
Not certain if I agree. She has seen what Seanchan do to captured women. There is no doubt her warder would fight to the death to prevent that, so in her own mind she can justify attacking as defending her warder's life.
@@timcotton1782 Yeah...that's not how the Three Oaths work. At all. *"She has seen what Seanchan do to captured women."* And? Are the Seanchan _killing,_ or even attempting to kill, the collared Aes Sedai? No. No they aren't. Ergo, the Oath will not allow an Aes Sedai to use the Power as a weapon against _sul'dam_ until the _sul'dam_ is not only ACTUALLY attempting to kill the Aes Sedai, but if the Aes Sedai has no other way to defend herself or another Aes Sedai. *"There is no doubt her warder would fight to the death to prevent that,..."* Again, this is irrelevant. The Oath is quite specific: The Power may be used as a weapon _IN THE LAST EXTREME_ of defense. If an Aes Sedai sees a _sul'dam,_ she can't automatically burn the _sul'dam_ to ashes because _if_ the _sul'dam_ were to put a collar on the Aes Sedai, the Aes Sedai's warder would then attack the _sul'dam_ to free his Aes Sedai. The Oath doesn't allow you to preemptively attack someone because of an action your Warder might take in some potential, future scenario. That's utter nonsense. *"...so in her own mind she can justify attacking as defending her warder's life."* Do...do you even know what words mean? You seriously just claimed that an Aes Sedai can justify _ATTACKING_ someone with the Power as a _defense_ against something that _MIGHT_ happen at some future point. I've watched several episodes of this abomination of a television series, and your comment may be one of the most egregious and blatant misunderstandings of absolutely _BASIC_ WoT lore I've ever witnessed. That takes some doing.
Well, Shammi did say he was trying to make all Rand's friends go dark so he'd lose hope and switch sides.. So sending Mat miiiight make some sense .. but I suspect it would require the dagger to have lost some of it's book powers...
This like Rings, is a discount version of said novels. I also couldn't wait for this one, as I always look forward to your Rings and Wheel reviews. So when do they find out that it takes someone like Mat to remove the collar with no problem.
Maybe someone in the production staff for WOT heard the claim that Egwene is "unbreakable" and misheard it as "unlikeable"? Perhaps that's the source for the confusion in the show? The two words do sound very similar after all.
Even if there are hints of goodness in this show, it is not enough to keep me invested even for a newcomer like me. I'm still displeased that they still cut out many of Rand's scenes and skipping important events happening in Fal Dara in the Great Hunt. But hey, 8 episodes per season folks!
You survived a second shooting of this video! BTW, Shad, with regards to the crest of thr bear, chained and muzzled, . . . The Dalavian Council of Dukes send their regards.
at this point in the books (roughly) - Rand, Mat and Perrin are making their way towards Falme - Rand is starting to embrace his destiny and knows that he'll have to confront the Dark One - The events in Cairhain have reunited the Hunters of the Horn after Rand and co skipped ahead accidentally - Paider Fain has the horn and dagger again - We've also met up with Thom again after he was feared dead I don't think half of this has made it into the show thus far based on Shad and Disparu's reviews
I would like to add that when lan thought moraine had died and the bind transfered he still acted as thought the bind broke and if it wasn't for the new aes sadai holding it he would have gotten himself killed
A core part of Mat’s character is that other people’s needs come before his wants. This includes both friends and strangers. Mat spends most of the entire series wanting to escape from his responsibilities, but every time he gets close to escaping, someone is in danger and needs his help. The ladies in the Stone of Tear, the soldiers walking into a Shaido ambush, Moiraine in the tower of Ghenjei, just to name a few examples.
not anymore in wheel of prime no one is a hero.
Mat gripes about it, especially when the people he is helping seem ungrateful, but he cannot bring himself to not do the right thing to help in his eyes
@@mjbull5156 I'm going through the books again and it's part of the humor how in denial he is about this. He saw 2 children crying and a despondent mother and instead of admitting he wanted to do the right thing he told Tom "It was annoying to hear them cry"
@@mjbull5156because he is a good person in the books, hands down. In this travesty I don’t even recognize the creature going around masquerading under the name Matt in this show! It is an insult to the series and just seems like proof that the writers are bad and jealous so they just go around destroying the work of others with actual talent and patting themselves on the back. As a long time fan, I started reading right after The Dragon Reborn was published in softcover. I remember discovering them one afternoon after school while wandering around the bookstore. I got all 3 and began a lifetime or reading and rereading this series. I still at least listen to the audiobooks once a year and try to actually physically reread the series every couple. It is a series I really enjoy and I forced myself to watch the first season and it was just such a frustrating experience that I swore off any further viewership. But some part of me keeps coming back to these critical reviews to I guess sate some morbid curiosity, to see how wrong they get the series with each further entry. And my goodness does the pile of sin and shame stack high… But at the end of the day wether ignorance or malice, these show people do NOT understand ANY of these characters and them being the caretakers is like Count Olaf getting the kids and keeping them in A Series of Unfortunate Events!
Remember when he saved the girls in the stone and they didn't even say thank you lol Mat was pissed. Man, I love the books, fuck the show
I'm starting to suspect that Amazon didn't get rights to adopt the books. They just got license to use names and similarity to books.
haha that would make sense
Maybe they did get the rights but read the license as well as they read the books.
We can hate on Amazon, but the other side of this is Jordan's wife whom I believe has ownership over the IP and agreed to sell the rights to Amazon. At least Tolkien's son took great pains to safeguard his father's legacy. There's also Sanderson who gave the show a thumbs up... despite it being the shitshow that it is. :(
@@nicholascowling7052 I have not paid attention to Sanderson's and Ms. Jordan's politics. But since political out comes trump accuracy and legacy. I could see them signing off on this garbage.
@@nicholascowling7052 i would not say that BS gave the show a thumbs up i think he has just not come out against it. he has to play it safe to get his own material made. i know that he stated that there were a lot of things that he tried to dissuade them on in S1 and i dont think he is involved in S2.
he came out and said that you have to look at this as another turning of the wheel, which i personally took as him saying that this is awful but i am not coming out and saying it directly.
I think it's very telling that my wife liked season 1 enough to embark on a 14 book reading binge, and subsequently hasn't acknowledged season 2's existence even once.
The books are fantastic. The show is a warcrime. A horrid violation.
Wheel of time: Matt, Rand, Perrin and Loail go on the great hunt together.
Amazon Prime: Yeah lets not do that.
the thing that gets me is...if they had just stuck with the flow of the book..they could have done nearly all the weird , dumb stuff they wanted too...and they wouldn't have had to scramble to get everyone together in the places they need to be..because..you know..they would be there already. It pissed me off royally that after all the changes, episode 6 ends with the Amyrlin just randomly being in Cairhien and Rand going to see her because. All the buildup that Jordan managed to put into the meeting at the beginning of The Great Hunt is gone, and instead of getting the climactic finish in a properly told story..we're having stopping the action for something that should have been in episode 1.
The problem nobody seems to want at admit is that the real reason there are changes from the source material is that there is no way to bring the books to screen with the time and money budget they have to work with. Just think of how many extras would be required just to do justice to Rands meeting with the Amerlyn at the start of TGH (20 sisters alone plus a full town) like you mentioned. There are things I really don't like about the show, Lan has been done poorly for example, there is never enough time devoted to anything really for another, but I am at least reasonable in what I expect. A close adaptation was never in the cards, they have no choice but to do something different. Honestly for my money season 2 has been great with the exception of Lan, and minor niggles. That is so far this season, am I certain they are over catastrophic mistakes, hell no. The meeting that's going to happen this next episode alone will have major consequences to later events, and what way they have to go, let alone how they end the season.@@mattwhite4302
@@mattwhite4302 And I couldn't understand how Liandrin got there. Did I miss something? I felt like she just teleported for the sake of the plot.
@@ichibancho I think that's the difference between good and bad writing. In good writing, things flow organically from what came before..and it's not just a clever shell game of easter eggs and 'foreshadowing'. You can trace the lines , even if it's in retrospect. In bad writing, things happen because it's just what the writers either wanted to happen and didn't earn or the writers have themselves in a hole and basically have to go "nah it'll be fine, maybe no one will notice, it happened off screen."
That's still the number one thing about Lanfear and Rand that gets me...the whole thing came up off screen and we're left wondering "well how did THAT happen." And the answer ends up being "I guess Rand just got a little horny." All of the finale of last season was erased in 6 months of time that happened off screen.
Can't get the characters names right and conveniently forgot that the original Mat actor suddently quit after S1E6 and his arc had to be written out of the final 2 episodes and that change is still rippling through S2 abd that they're clearly moving the pieces to bring that story arc back closer to the books now by the end of this season.
What? Betray his friends? Mat is the person who always wants to run away but can't because his friends need him.
Suroth/Loial abuse could never have happened in the book. The Ogier in Seanchan have some sort of agreement with the Empress, they aren’t her property. If Suroth meets a Ogier, she has no right to treat him worse than the Empress. She could tell him she would like to have him as a guest, or she would ask him to please leave and even if she was commanded to take Loial into custody by the Empress, she would have to handle him gently.
Furthermore, she calls him a gardener and us fans of the books know that Gardener is the rank of an ogier in the deathwatch guards so that interaction would never take place.
Exactly!
Does anyone else think the writers stilled Moiraine so they could have Nynaeve restore her way earlier than she’s supposed to be able to do that?
Considering that they completely rejected the base foundational premise of the explicitly gendered One Power, the very reason for everything in the story (men channeling is bad, the matriarchal social structures, etc.), nothing is beyond their ideological agenda.
I think they said the arc this season was supposed to teach her that she is more than her ability to channel the One Power. Though she certainly doesn't appear to be going through any character growth whatsoever. I think either Nynaeve will heal her or she will regain her connection after Ishamael is defeated. Either of those will happen without any explanation, probably.
@@Jamesmatise Funny that people obsessed with “diversity” and identity politics would try to tell a story about someone learning to not just identify themselves according to a specific trait.
@@Jamesmatise Not sure about that, I think they'll skip over Nynaeve healing her & have Siuan do it with Ter'angreal (& then have Nynaeve learn from that). Just a guess because I can't see how they could justify it at the pace they're going, but then given how bad the writing is anything is possible.
That requires us to believe they stayed awake that long while listening to the books.
Moiraine is essentially a figure of Motherhood. She is dedicated to the Dragon Reborn, and sacrifices everything for him. (Suianne is the crazy Auntie in that conspiracy.) She is knowledgable, and a peacekeeper and teacher. She heals and strengthens others at her own expense, unable to heal herself. She is loving, but as an Aies Sedai she keeps it hidden. She protects others with great dedication. She is also regal, and beautiful. That's not to say she doesn't have imperfections: Her temper at times, especially the animosity meeting Lan, the manipulation, impatience ect. But essentially, she is a good person. The showrunners cannot stand that, and have subverted her to be evil and rude. The rudeness is their distortion of strength.
Name a single scene in this show where Siuan was portrayed as evil.
@@Jabbah123 I'm not sure what you're talking about. I never said Siuan was evil. The only thing I was saying about her was, if Moiraine is like a mother to Rand, Siuan is like an Aunt. This is based on "A New Spring," and their "conspiracy" overhearing the prophecy. The show clearly makes Moiraine evil though.
That’s too many character traits for this show @ChristianSorensen: You don’t actually believe rafe and the other hacks would be able to make a nuanced and balanced character in this toilet waste of a series do you??
@@xblood-_xdiamond8801 You've got a point. The one dimensional planks they've written can only embrace a single stereotype at a time. Moiraine is Grumpy Smurf.
@@christiansorensen7567 😆😆😆 Brilliant! 😂😂
I have to be honest. I read the first book and then started the second and then season 1 of this came out.. after that first episode just had to wash my hands of this whole series. Basically this show ruined the books for me in a way I couldn't be bothered continuing. But the passion you show in denouncing this show for its bull crap as you would say has once again made me pick the book back up and continue. Thank you Shad for suffering through what I would presume is utter hellish torment to give this story another chance and at the moment I'm hooked. Thank you kind sir.
The show shouldn’t ruin the books, the show is nothing like the books and if you only watched episode, no spoilers.
The books are amazing. The show is a totally different entity
@@korionterivers9995 I’ve reread the series numerous times and I’m not the only one.
@@jsbrads1 me as well!!!
I’m in book 2 right now. So much better than the show could have hoped to be.
What pisses me off is Lan blocking Rand, Lan was the one that told Rand in the books to man the fuck up he even went against Moiraine's wishes back in Fal Darah if i remember correctly. This is just another assassination of a character that's already a dead and beaten horse by this point. If Lan doesn't go you gotta do what you have to and helps him to get to Falme amma be (even more) pissed.
Lan practically adopted Rand as an honorary Malkier starts training him how to be a blade master & how to bow respectfully to the Amyrlin seat much to her chagrin at him being another Lan…
The Lan in the show acts nothing like the character in the book. He actually helped Rand with channeling in the first place by teaching him how to calm his emotions by imagine feeding them into a flame in his mind.
Lan was so important in the beginning
@@caren6310blocked rand? Lan literally cried and screamed in season 1,i think we have bigger problems in this show about character destruction😂and they even cut lans backstory in season 1(which is sad cuz he has one of the best backstories..
If you really think book Lan would go against the orders of Siuan just because he likes Rand, then you didnt understand the core of his personality.
Duty is heavier than a mountain..
10:50 Yes!! Drive this point home over and over. It is not the lack of the book plots that pisses us off. It is the character assassinations of the male heroes. Rand and Elayne not meeting in book one. We miss the aww struck, light hearted coming of age boy moment that Rand deals with his entire journey through the books... Doing something silly and falling into a garden with the most beautiful girl he has ever seen... And all that comes of their relationship is RUINED by him effing Egwene... Effing Lanfear... Elayne has NO IDEA who Rand is. Everything that happens with Rand learning the ways of the Aiel from Avheinda is RUINED. Their interactions are pure and innocent until EACH of their first times in the igloo. Rand thinking he needs to marry her immediately... RUINED.
Mat is the most DEEPLY loyal character in the books.. Even Rand and Perrin have their moments of using other people when times got tough. Mat ALWAYS puts aside his personal best interests for his friends and even barely friends like Mat does for Elayne. One of the best moments of the books and Mat's character is when Mat offers to give the Foxhead to Elayne to protect her. It is the pivotal moment in their relationship. Elayne's assumptions / take on Mat's character is shattered in that moment. She realizes she was completely wrong about him.. But these writers want us to see Mat as ONLY a selfish scoundrel. Him acting like a selfish a-hole for 7 seasons and turning around at the last minute WILL FALL FLAT. ABSOLUTE RUBBISH.
Man, this plot about Rand and Elayne meeting each is just boring and something that has been done a million times, it not something that need to be done again.
Why everything about Rand learning the ways of the Aiel from Aviheinda is ruined? Why? Rand only this in book 4/5.
And you talked about the igloo scene like a very good scene, that scene makes zero sense. Rand finds aviendha naked and she does travelling by accident? Something that she couldn't have know who to do it.
It is funny this talk about mat, because in this two books mats doesn't do almost any, he only start to be a good character in book 3.
@@sombracep12 Nothing screams American more than this empty comment. Sad that I have to call myself one.
Amazon: "Let the Lord of Chaos rule."
From a mostly practical point of view, I really hate the re-design of the A'dam. You can forget about washing a large part of your upper body, and unless those dressed are especially designed to slide off you, that's the last and only dress you'll ever wear which means that sooner or later that dress WILL become part of you, literally.
In the books they were like really simple collars, like loops of metal with a leash attached, and that's it. That would have been MUCH simpler to make, so I just cannot understand why they went so extra to the point of making them impractical. They are BURNING MONEY for literally no reason! I don't get the fucking gags either! The whole POINT of the collars is they instill absolute obedience, if you wanted them to not speak you'd just TRAIN them not to speak!
That's the REAL scary part of these things, they allow you to TRAIN women like LITERAL PETS until they WANT to be obedient. There's a scene in the books where Egwene gets in trouble, her suldam sends Min away, cause MIN IS SUPPOSED TO BE THERE, and Egwene's SCREAMS follow Min as she leaves the building. It's a spine chilling scene and the follow up is after Egwene is freed we see her just SNAP. She collars her suldam, presses her hands to her mouth and just starts TORTURING her.
This period of imprisonment SETS Egwene's path. It HEAVILY effects her. It makes her a much better channeler as they teach her the hard way, but it also permanently shifts her personality, and that shift pairs with other major periods in her journey to create the woman we eventually see.
@@haku8135 One reason for the change is said to have been a safety issue. Things like the scene where Egwene is literally being dragged across the floor could not be done with a simple collar without risking severe injury to throat and windpipe, with the more "harness"-type collar thats not an issue. Additionally there is the problem that everybody knows what a normal collar is and would assume this to be one (because the prop would obviously be one of those). Of course the audience has to be told this is a magic collar, but that is a lot easier to sell if it actually looks the part and you don't have to suspend your disbelieve to much.
And finally: from the moment Madeleine Madden was cast as Egwene there were people who where concerned that showing a brown woman in a slave collar would bring historical images to mind that would detract from the actual story by make the Seanchen look like stand-ins for white colonialists (after all they are a power coming over the sea to take the land und brutally punish resistence). But with this massive gold piece nobody will think of 18th century slavery.
@@gildor8866 "One reason for the change is said to have been a safety issue." Thousands, nay hundreds of thousands can attest there is no safety risk in wearing a collar. Unless you're an idiot.
"Things like the scene where Egwene is literally being dragged across the floor could not be done with a simple collar without risking severe injury to throat and windpipe" There is literally no reason for there to ever be a scene where Egwene is dragged around by the collar. The POINT of the collar is it demands obedience. If Egwene CAN walk on her own and you want her to move, you just tell her to move. If she cannot walk, you would not drag her, you'd pick her up. There is no reason for that scene and thus saying they can't do that scene without changing the collars is not a reason to change them. Again, bleeding money for no reason.
"with the more "harness"-type collar thats not an issue." It's also not an issue if they just don't break Robert Jordan's fucking lore just to spend more money for no reason.
"Additionally there is the problem that everybody knows what a normal collar is and would assume this to be one (because the prop would obviously be one of those)." That's retarded. You don't need a giant sign pointing to a stick that says "THIS IS A MAGIC WAND, IT DO MAGIC" you just have them cast a fucking spell. Are they really so stupid they think the audience is so stupid they couldn't figure out this collar is magic unless they turn it into an ugly ass harness after seeing its effects on Egwene? The Suldam literally tell Egwene what the collar fucking is, again, BLEEDING money for no reason at all.
"Of course the audience has to be told this is a magic collar, but that is a lot easier to sell if it actually looks the part and you don't have to suspend your disbelieve to much." Suspend WHAT fucking disbelief? This world contains people that can use magic, magical objects, evil gods and thousand year old dark mages. Only a total moron would look at a collar that controls people and say "Well how can that be a magic collar? It doesn't have ORNAMENTATION! No, that's stupid. That's like saying a wand can't be a wand unless it has filigree and is encrusted with jewels.
"And finally: from the moment Madeleine Madden was cast as Egwene there were people who where concerned that showing a brown woman in a slave collar would bring historical images to mind" First solution, don't cast a black chick as the fucking white country girl. Second solution, she IS being fucking enslaved, she is LITERALLY treated as a pet, so just DO IT ANYWAY. This isn't real life, it's a tv show. If a character wearing a collar is part of it, then that's part of it. If this garbage actress doesn't want to wear a collar, don't cast her to begin with. She clearly doesn't have enough talent to command the role, and she doesn't look a single bit like Egwene to begin with, so just cast someone who can do their job. The entire series has been released for YEARS, it's not like this event was a surprise..... Well, that assumes they READ the books, so I'm probably entirely wrong, they likely had no idea this would happen.
"that would detract from the actual story by make the Seanchen look like stand-ins for white colonialists " Half of them are fucking black. Tuon is literally described as having REALLY dark skin.
"(after all they are a power coming over the sea to take the land und brutally punish resistence)" They are literally FROM this land. They're RETURNING to reclaim the kingdom Hawkwing built. Regardless, fuck off, who the fuck cares? This is the story, FOLLOW IT.
"But with this massive gold piece nobody will think of 18th century slavery" IT!
IS!
FUCKING!
SLAVERY!
IT LITERALLY IS!
WOMEN WHO CAN CHANNEL ARE SLAVES IN THIS SOCIETY!
Literally everything you've said has been NONSENSE.
1:00:12 The Amyrlin did wear a stole that was striped in the seven colors of the seven Ajahs. The Keeper of Chronicles wore a stole that was of the color of her former Ajah.
The books made it clear that the stole was mandatory for official functions and was useful in declaring to the uninitiated who held the office but it was not necessary to wear it at all times as well. That might not be useful in a tv show but I liked that in the books.
"I'm going to literally join the prime evil for the sake of my son's life!"
"But wait! My son is huwite and mail, it would be better for all if he was ended lol"
"...Guess I'm evil for no adequately explained reason then"
There were several sisters stilled at Dumai's Wells whose warders went berserk as a result. Your instincts are correct, they did mangle that as well.
Any time the Bond is broken involuntarily, whether by death, stilling or being burned out, the Warder suffers the same effects. According to _The Wheel of Time Companion,_ pg. 790:
"A warder whose Aes Sedai died suffered greatly and rarely lived long afterward. This effect was actually the result of the bond being severed involuntarily, and *_not exclusively the result of the death_* of the Warder's Aes Sedai." (Emphasis mine.)
So, if Moiraine was stilled, her bond to Lan was absolutely broken involuntarily, and Lan should have immediately begun the "Warder Rage."
Once again, the idiots running this show are completely ignorant of even the most basic aspects of the lore.
...or maybe she's not stilled? Edit: told you
@@man_person_camera_tv She wrote, "I have been stilled." So, either she's been stilled, or she's Black Ajah. Either way, the people writing this crap are clearly idiots.
One book example is Suian Sanche's stilling (TSR, Chap. 47) - Her warder Alric died as a result of the abrupt severing of his bond
@@davezdude3200 That is incorrect.
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For Roland Arien, a lot of people have asked questions about Alric's death. I should have made matters plainer. As I envisioned it, Alric, having sensed Siuan's extreme shock, came running to her and arrived just in time to be stabbed just before Siuan was taken into the anteroom. She should have sensed the knife going in, but that was masked by her shock. When she sees him lying there, he is dying, though not yet dead. As I said, I should have made it plainer.
@@man_person_camera_tv Thank you. I came back to say exactly this. No idea where someone would get the idea that Alric died of shock after Siuan was stilled since the novel quite clearly states that Siuan saw him dying as she was led from her study.
It's legitimately amazing to me how many people are completely clueless about the specifics of these novels. Even if one hasn't read them multiple times, it takes all of about 30 seconds to open Google and search for, "How did Siuan's warder die?"
The warder rage definitely happens for stilling as well. When Siuan was stilled her warder was preemptively murdered specifically so that he wouldn't sound the alarm by raging out once she was stilled, don't even remember if her warder had a name but I remember that the chapter from her perspective after the stilling that she bounces hysterically between grief over his death, the memory of how his death briefly effected her through the bond and guilt at the blank numbness that replaced those emotions once she was stilled and how it's like a piece of herself that was tortured and then subsequently written out of existence.
Alric
Also the warders of an Aes Sedai stilled by Rand at Dumais Wells went on a rage.
@@gildor8866 Irgain Fatamed
And egwene makes a note of letting the warders of the BA throw themselves into TLB in the last book
It has become all too common for show runners to believe that they are better writers than the actual authors of the base works are. They're not, of course, but they still insist on doing this "reimagining" of the source material.
People complaining about women representation in books should 1st go after the romance writers for making all their books, about women chasing after men. LMAO.
No one is complaining about women representation In books? Where did you get that from ?
what kind of books are those? i read several romances and its always female being bullied yet secretly super-smart or something and male lead being borderline *apist
I do need to give credit where it's due. This show does one thing extremely well: Getting Shad to make these reviews that get me interested in reading the books.
This book series is amazing!!! Do yourself a favor and read them!
@@korionterivers9995 I probably will, but I'm still reading Dune at the moment, and also the bible(purely out of interest) but I'll see if I can fit it in between somewhere. The way Shad and his wife speak of them give me no doubt they're amazing.
@@obsidianblade266 If you're reading Dune you'll like the Wheel of Time. In many ways it's Dune In Not-Space.
The only way they could save this is have a scene where there's a flash and Rand pulls his hands away from a portal stone hearing "I win again Lews Therin." ringing in his ears, then actually adapt the books.
Yes! This entire series is just one of the many possible failures that Rand experienced using the portal stone in the Great Hunt.
I originally was fine with the explanation of "another turning of the wheel". After about the 3rd time of them destroying how the world and magic system works, I threw that out the window. This isn't wheel of time. This is Shill of TIme.
Lol not that there aren't issues with the show, there's also a lot of witch hunting going on. This comment is a prime example.
I got news for ya, the magic system was a complete mess throughout the first 3 books. It was inconsistent, things were done early on that were actually not even possible as we learned how it actually works and were eventually just filed away under the category of "Early Bookisms" never to be spoken of again.
Kind of to be expected though I guess, given the nature of this channel.
I mean I'm not looking to follow or watch a channel that is all flowers and rainbows who ignores any bad stuff but nor am I going to watch or give any more time to a channel that is all doom, gloom, more about attacking the show and hating for the sake of hating.
Good luck with your cancel culture campaign I guess. Hope the hate and horribly biased takes gets your channel as many cheap clicks as possible.
Just bad, so bad. Officially the Gil Arenas of WoT channels 👍
@@Finnssssssits pointless to argue with these people. Honestly seems like most of these commenters havent even read the books or forgot most of the early books by now.
Its just cheap rage bait for clicks. And that works perfectly fine for all these Andrew Tate fanboys.
@@Jabbah123 yeah, this is an actual cesspool.
@@Jabbah123 I'm guessing I've read the books more times than you (18 and counting), know the lore better than you, and could explain to you in excruciating detail how the show is complete garbage created by hacks who couldn't write a decent story if they were given a wealth of source material to use.
Shad is spot on with all of his criticisms. You're just to stupid to recognize it.
@@Finnssssss do you have examples as to what was "not even possible"? I'm not saying you're wrong but the show included things that didn't show up till the later books (so not early bookism) and changed how they worked
Kudos for powering through this. I couldn't make it past Season 1 Episode 5 where Lan cried like a baby.
If I was giving myself titty twisters that violently I'd be crying too! hahaha 😂😂😂
@@nicholascowling7052 rofl
In the books Lan was described as stone faced and a man who's basically solid muscle and that him raising an eyebrow is the same thing as another person literally flipping out
Off topic but I love the way Shad smiles at his wife. It's so lovely ❤
Lanfear kills Liandrins fake baby in this. That's kind of a character assassination of Lanfear even. Lanfear doesn't really think of herself as evil or act evil, she just throws epic tantrums about Rand.
Generally Lanfear didn’t kill people for no reason, but Lanfear did murder many many people in service to the Dark One. Lanfear in the beginning of the book series, she behaving mostly in Rand’s sight to convince him to love her again. And murdering a dozen people all around him isn’t very effective at getting the farm boy to fall in love with her.
The writers may be turning Liandrin to the Light. Even female Darkfriends will be better than Rand.
One of my favorite things about the book main characters is that they’re all reluctant. Matt the reluctant war hero, Perrin the reluctant noble, and Rand the reluctant savior.
Warders in this series are really starting to bother me. None of the warders seem capable of winning a fight but every warder is supposed to be basically a one man army. The death in this one wasn't super bad, he died because a channeler got him while his Aes Sedai was quitting on the fight. But every time you see a warmer fight in this series they just get their asses kicked unless their Aes Sedai is there doing the heavy lifting.
I’m disturbed that it’s literally implied in the book that Lan is one of the most deadly fighters alive, yet where Moiraine could defeat a Myrrdral with a knife! Lab couldn’t defeat two at the same time with swords. He’s mediocre at best ! Just seems wrong
Having read all the books yet, but Moiraine’s interactions with her family I think helps us understand a vital aspect of the aes sedai thats thematic this season with them being long-lived, but also about how being aes sedai can affect one’s family? Idk I see value in it personally as exposition.
Rand learns a lot of weaves on his own, completely without a teacher. He also learns weaves from Lews Therin's voice in his head. Much of his learning to channel is done completely on his own.
And doesn't Logain tell him he can only teach him this much?
Spoilers…
A lot is very subjective amount. How many weaves does Rand use prior to Azmodian? Eye of the world 2. The hunt… 6? 4 being accidents or 3 and 1 being Lanfear. In Tear… there’s like 6-10 and he can’t control it. He doesn’t learn a lot on his own… he learns a handful. Azmodian teaches him to the touch the power reliably, gateways, lamps, fire, warming an area, shielding dreams… and a ton of other stuff that is implied.
You can even argue you don’t like Lews Theron as a deus ex machina device in the books. But he learns like 1/10 of what he knows by the end from Azmodian, could argue that 5/10 is a more advanced version of the 1/10 Azmodian teaches.
Yup plus Asmodean taught him after Lanfear helped shield him so he could only use a trickle and be less of a threat to Rand
@@chrisf2636 Rand specifically says _many_ times throughout the books that he does things without knowing what he's doing, but once he does it, he remembers it. The actual text says your assessment is nonsense.
You're welcome to argue whatever you want...but you're clearly wrong.
@@meganega123 In the actual _Wheel of Time,_ Logain never tells Rand anything of the sort. I have no idea what Faux-gain told Randy in _The Wheel of Prime._
There was moments in this one that almost felt like a shadow of wheel of time, but it's like a fear of showing the true story. The Seachen will not allow an ogier to swear the oaths & to force a Treesong from Loial is wrong on every level.
They killed Siuan’s warder the moment they stilled her to avoid either going insane with rage
Plus no one knew where the Amerlyn has been and suddenly she shows up with 14 Aei Sedai some of whom departed and went back to the white tower twice.
You should really have a look at the map before posting stuff like that.
@@Jabbah123 no need for a map. Horses are a thing there. Besides the point is she was missing and it was made a thing. And no it is basically dropped and no one cares where she went before arriving in Carhein
@@HablaCarnage63 it was mentioned that she went to Caemlyn. Why would you think she went missing and nobody knew where she was?
@@Jabbah123 It was only said she went to Caemlyn. And it doesn’t matter where anyway. The point is it was presented as a mystery and then dropped.
People who didn’t supposedly know showed up with her.
dumais wells shows what happens to warders when the aes sedai is stilled. the green sisters warders suicide into the shaido thinking she had died
I agree 100% with what you say about this TV series. It is a travesty.
It would be like having LOTR without Frodo, or Sam in it...
Or Gandalf, Aragon, Boromir, etc. Literally absent any of the charachters Robert Jordan created. Or, to be accurate, charachters created by Jordan in name only.
@@davezdude3200 dont worry, you LOTR fans will also get all-female reboot as well
Nah it's like LOTR with Frodo losing the ring, Sam being gay and Gandalf working for Sauron.
Started reading the books after watching the series, and then some review channels like this one. I think the biggest fails of the series are:
1 the representation of the world map, which is just chaotic. In the books you get a sense of the real distances involved. In the series it's like you have jet lag because you are jumping from location to location with no real sense of how they relate to each other in space.
2. the representation of the concept of ta'veren. In the series it just comes off as prophecy...these are the important people so there. In the books it's actually a really intriguing well thought out concept that gets behind the way in which people who movies are written about actually end up having all the strange things and coincidences happen to them. It's such a great concept, and the series completely failed to put it across.
3. the weirdness of the bad guys not being able to win by killing the good guys. It's so interesting in the book the way that the characters start to realise that they aren't in the TYPE of danger they originally think. They think they are in danger of their lives, but turn out to be in danger of losing their souls. The adaption has just made a mess of that. We still don't even understand if they are in physical danger of the forsaken just hauling off and killing them or not.
The single biggest fail is rejecting the core foundational premise of the explicitly gendered One Power. This was the reason for everything, including the matriarchal social structures.
Everything else falls out from that failure.
I believe Loial(book) would have done it if his friend was in danger or being tortured or something like that. But I agree that if he was being tortured or threatened that he would no.
The first time we see him do this in the books, is at the eye of the world, after the green man dies. He sings to give him a sort of tombstone tree. It's a really sweet moment.
Later in the world of the portal stones, he sings a tree into a quarterstaff and Rand and Hurin are really impressed.
Why would anyone even want to torture him to make him tree sing? THIS WASN'T NECESSARY AT ALL! "Oh the books have TOO much in them. Which is why we ripped out ALL the good stuff, and shoved in WAY more filler that isn't needed at all. I'm a professional writer."
Lanfear attacked Avienda and Egwene when she thought they had sex with him
1. I also think that they shouldn't drag out the Egwene scenes. What is more important in Egwene's capture is really how she was trained to do a lot with the One Power during her capture and that is important for her growth in the books.
2. They cut ALL the Moiraine scenes. Complete waste of time.
3. What is confusing regarding Lanfear was that she seemed to not know that Rand was Dragon Reborn before Rand admitted he can channel. Then in this episode, she said she had been protecting him all along?
4. Why no one points out that Lanfear ALWAYS WEAR WHITE in the books and this Lanfear wears anything and even Black and the scene in the dreams, she is now Hera from Thor: Ragnarok.
😂😂 that Hera style outfit was awful
@@caren6310ikrrrr also selene was supposed to be 18-19 NOT 48 she looks soooo old in the show. And proud selene who considers herself to be above common people is a shopkeeper(bar owner) in this show?! The books selene would annilate the show selene for ruining her personality
@@winxclubflora8446 yeah I agree. Lanfear did mention that she will never play a character of a low social standing. But I believe this point was already brought up in previous episode analysis when "Selene" first came out in the TV series.
Egwene‘s breaking is one of the key moments for her character development in the books.
Learning battle weaves is important too, but its nowhere as important for her arc as the scene that you call „dragged out“.
As for Lanfear, obviously she knew he was the dragon reborn. Thats why she was manipulating his dreams.
@@Jabbah123 no, Egwene didn't actually "break" in the books. A person who breaks behaves very differently even after being released. A good example will be Theon Greyjoy in GoT. Egwene was smart enough to "condition herself" and train her mind not to fight. But she was very aware that she wanted to be free and get her revenge. It is a misinterpretation of Egwene that the TV series placed so much emphasis on her "breaking".
Anyway, it's not like we are still pretending that the show is adapting the story. Taken by itself, I don't really mind this change but only problem is that I don't think there are enough episodes to not cause season 2 to be another rush and jumping about of plots and storylines resulting in inconsistencies. There are only a couple of episodes left. Let's see.
25:50 Loial and Ingtar saw Egwene presented to Turak in the last episode because they stood in the same place for the entire episode, day and night.
😂
2 men we saw die watched a woman who has been characterized as impossibly unbreakable be presented as a slave as her friend who has already brought someone back from the dead and fought an entire army is working to free her.
This show really knows how to make the stakes feel real, doesn't it?
Yeah that was weird. Did the showrunners forget to move them off the set?
@@MatthewLoom yes, most likely the two scenes were shot back to back and they forgot that it was supposed to be days apart, either that or they wanted to have some reason they'd know Egwene was there, which was stupid because them knowing Egwene was captured ended up having no impact on the end of the season.
The armerlin wears a seven colored striped shawl and the keeper wears a white shawl bordered in the color of her previous aaja. Except Elida who wears a six colored shawl having abolished the blue
Matrim; dies, crosses continents, falls in love, leads armies by begrudging circumstance, enters a new realm, saves a witch he doesn't like, loses an eye, gets betryaed by his love, finds a new love, loses his freedom, gains a station he doesnt want... all for his friends.
Notrim; theiving, lecherous, depressed, back-stabbing friend hater.
Good job, writers.
This happens in later books tho.
Its also quite telling you forgot that Mat tells Rand to stay away from him, so he doesnt kill him when he goes mad. Truly an amazing and heroic person in book 2.
@@Jabbah123
No, I haven't forgotten anything regarding the major character moments for Mat.
Him having a moment - a moment that never ends up defining his character - with Rand, the two of them being in contention, that leads nowhere, isn't liable to be put into the same set of moments/circumstances that actually develop who he is as a character.
His "Waaah you're the Dragon, get away from me!" incident has LESS impact on him as a person, than Perins' whole "Gaaah we are no longer friends!" act with Rand before they separate, had on WHO Perin was.
Dude invented CANNONS (with help), from pulling apart explosive implements - an act in universe stated to be nigh on a sucicidal task - to save his entire world. Pretty sure that means he's vested in his own life, or his friends, more than wine, Red Ajah games, and lying/theiving.
This on screen portrayal isn't Matrim.
1:04:35 I feel like all of them had time to run away, including the yellow aes sedai and her warder. I mean, they got away with their hands tied in the jungle, why not a bustling city with hands free and a head start. They didn’t even try.
It bugged me that Ryma and her warder got such a cool scene despite being useless side characters, while Egwene gets caught off screen, and Nynaeve and Elayne get away by...just reaching open ground.
@@mattwhite4302 yeah I feel like the show has cool moments but doesn’t give two craps about how they get to it and it takes away from the cool moments they have when you’re left sitting there scratching your head.
"not enough Ta'veren stuff in the show" Well.. they never even EXPLAINED what a Ta'veren IS in the show. Also I don't remember them ever mentioning Ta'veren again after the first episode! Or how Moiraine knew that there were "4 Ta'veren" in the Two Rivers, especially since noone else knew about it, not even the people in the Emond's Field, here it was just a weird unexplained excuse for her to go there rather than her long search for a "boy about this age who was born on the slopes of Dragonmount"
Their explanation of the Dragon Reborn is just the chosen one. The show has done precious little world building because the writers don’t get the fantasy genre, they’re most likely drama writers who took the work because they couldn’t get a project they actually wanted. It’s why the show spends so much time talking about people’s emotions because that’s the writing team’s comfort zone. It also doesn’t help that they rush through any section that doesn’t involve the Aes Sedai.
That's how you say "A'dam"? I always read it way closer to Adam (and called the other version an E've as it never got a name)
I am quite certain that Stilling is the same as dying as far as the Bond goes. Same as the Oaths getting deleted.
Lan a darkfriend!? Okay, these "writers" need to be gentled/stilled.
Shad, actually Lanfear was fair schizo, she at first wasn’t angry with Rand thinking of other girls and she said watch him for me.
Of all the character assassinations, I do think Mat's arc is by far the worst.
This man gave up "half the light of the world to save the world." He spends a lot of time in the books reflecting on the good lessons he learned from his father and Rand's father and putting those lessons into practice.
He's incapable of betraying anyone. Period.
This part of the books lines up the most with the story Rafe wants to tell because it features a woman literally trying to break bonds of oppression. I was surprised he didn’t gender-swap the Sul’Damane, but then I saw the fan-bait. He’s so predictably pathetic.
The back and forth arguing is really so silly. The truth is that this isn't the Wheel of Time (the book series) and I honestly don't think Jordan would approve of this... especially given the huge success GOT had become by sticking to the books and following that story. I still think it's absolutely disgusting that Judkins and his team are using the WOT meatsuits to tell THER story.
Tell me you never read GOT without saying you never read GOT.
@@lifeon2I‘ve read GOT, and it‘s true what he said. Sure there are minor differences, but the major arcs overwhelmingly follow the same plotlines, highs, and lows, as in the books. At least up until book 4, that‘s how far I read it. And also what is generally considered the shows best seasons. WoT has been massively changed, comparatively speaking. The entire first book was replaced, same with the second. The arcs are barely even tangentially similar to the books. The only things that stayed the same were the most broad descriptions of the events: Group of people from Emonds Field leave to save their village, and maybe the world. Waygates (if you can call the shows depiction that) are used, and Rand ends up confronting a forsaken at the end. Also parts of the world are the same. That‘s it. Everything else is changed, and all the details of those events.
Rand's training scene... Embrace the source.. powers up... With that kind of power you can fight any one.... training over.... ... The is this Mary Rey Sue training in a nutshell... ONly Logain cannot go with Rand otherwise he'd have access to weapons and top himself, I think the writes wrote themselves into a corner... Specially with Logain thinking HE is the Dragon and not that Logain could train him then off himself with his goal in life achieved... To save the world... Fighting the soul crushing loss of the ONe Power long enough to see his student, The Dragonm over teh finish line.. It could have been one hell of an arc, if done right..
15:20 you were not listening to the subtext. Lanfear said men hold women back, men make things worse, men make everything terrible. Leandrin letting Lanfear murder her own son says one thing more than anything: Men deserve death, do not help them, let them die. Exactly as this woman centric men hating show has been saying _since season one_
This scene was actually not bad..especially because Lanfear is just full of shit, and full on mocking Liandrin by throwing her own words back at her. Basically she's having a lark at Liandrin's expense and showing her to be the utter hypocrite that she (Liandrin) actually is..and how all her reasons are just bogus. Or maybe I'm just rewriting the scene into a better one, who knows.
This was by far the best episode, because you are actually able to find some resemblance to the books. The bar is SO LOW, though, that anything that even seems like it's taken from the books seems good in comparison, when it's actually just much less objectionable.
The whole plotline of Egwene not being able to lift the jug and not being allowed to wash IS IN THE BOOKS.
It is SPOKEN as a couple lines by Egwene to MIN, because SHE IS THERE TOO BECAUSE THEY ARE ALL FRIENDS.
Egwene's entire capture by the Seanchan is only GLIMPSED by us. Most of what happens is told to us in Egwene's visits with Min. And it's HEARTBREAKING because at this point we KNOW Egwene, we care about her, we want her to succeed, and here she is being TORTURED by these monsters who LITERALLY see her as a pet, and that's the NICEST of them. We don't NEED entire bloody episodes where she tries to pick up a jug!!! It's MORE impactful to just visit Egwene and listen to her almost breaking down to Min about what has happened to her rather than just watch her badly act.
Of course, its girls plot
@@haku8135 There a really good advice about writing anything, the advice is: "show, do not tell". To show how horrible the situation of being damane is, they need to really show how horrible it is, because it needs to be a fear for the rest of the show, that being damane is worst than death.
Also, in the books, min is about to visit Egwene because she is not a channeler, in falme right now, there is only people that channel, Nynaeve and Elayne.
@@haku8135 It was an excellent episode, you lot need to get over yourselves. This channel has collated the most extremist of book readers lmao, like literally any other forum you see them praising the episode (incl. book readers), it's rated 9/10 despite some review bombing, and yet here you are completely unable to appreciate the emotion in that episode, which did a great job at showcasing Seanchan cruelty.
@@_stefan7589 EXCELLENT?
You sure heap praise upon the SLIGHTEST of competence, don't you?
The plot is still full of holes, the episodes are riddled with bloat, the acting is mostly garbage, the outfits are hilariously bad, the actors don't ever look book accurate, Elaine is the closest at least but doesn't act like book Elaine anyway so it doesn't matter. The Forsaken are immortal somehow, the power is nonsensical, the men are worthless, the women are all unbreakable girlbosses with no vulnerability, the heroes are evil, the villains are just misunderstood, and most of all it is an objectively TERRIBLE adaptation.
If a Warder's Aes Sedai dies, they know the where and the how, and will seek revenge, which usually results in the former Warder's death (The Fires of Heaven). Something similar happens to the Aes Sedai when their Warder dies, though they usually have the self-control to not go on a revenge trip (The Shadow Rising & A Memory of Light), however; after the initial shock, the Aes Sedai becomes emotionally unstable (Lord of Chaos).
If they get that far. Id be curious to see how they butcher dumais wells because they wont want to have him be a victim to women or the forced bond etc
What has been your favorite episode?
Why is everything so damn dark? This is supposed to be a rennaissance era, not a medievel era. Theres not supposed to be bare stone walls lit by torches. There should be paneled walls with oil lamps illuminating everything. Why is everything happening at night?
Why would loial say anything about egwene, they are only around each other in season 1 and never even speak to each other.
The suldam tells egwene if you hit me the collar will give you double the pain, but she never actually hits her. Why not let the hit land, and show egwene getting her face smashed?
Min does say her visions always come true.
Lan riding up on the amyrlins gaurds without ever announcing himself, then him opening the amyrlins door instead of her gaurds is ridiculous.
The amyrlin wears a seven striped stoll representing all the ajahs.
To hide set and cgi quality etc. So many shows and movies do it it's annoying having visually dark shows that don't need to be
8:20 I suppose Rand is going to die then, since Min's signs always come true.
13:00 This replaces a rather nice bit in the book where Egwene cries to Min about the Aes Sedai being brainwashed and made into a pet by the Seanchan
17:30 Loial is captured? From what I recall the Seanchan respect the Ogier as much as everyone else does. The Ogier in the Deathwatch were the only ones not enslaved.
24:30 As I recall, Moiraine appears only three times in book 2, at the start, at the end, and when she is attacked at the sisters' cottage. In Book 3 Verin returned with Mat and the 3 girls to the Tower. After Rand leaves the hidden camp, Perrin goes with Moiraine the whole time.
27:00 The Seanchan did break Egwene. They gave her a trauma about being captured & collared that holds her back later.
45:00 On the Warder bond: "This effect was actually the result of the bond being severed involuntarily, and not exclusively the result of the death of the Aes Sedai." It is the same for stilling.
One of the sisters stilled at Dumai's Wells: "One of her Warders dropped dead from the shock, the other was killed fighting the Shaido"
59:55 The Amyrlin wore a stole of the seven colours. The Keeper wore a stole of her own Ajah's colour
Why would they move the Amyrlin's trip from Fal Dara at the beginning of book 2, where she could meet all three boys, to Cairhien after the group has dispersed?
Anyone else feel like they are going to do a switch and make nynave the dragon and just use rand as a fake out. I mean she is the main character of the show it seems
Probably a dual thing. Rand and nynave have to link or do something like a fusion dance to join together and become the dragon
I don't know, rand has accomplished nothing in the show while nynave is being hailed as the greatest ever. Rand believed he was the dragon so moraine did, but he didn't do anything at the eye except release the forsaken. Nynave destroyed the army at the gap and now they are making her a blade master. I think they are faking us out and going to have rand be a dumb random male channeler who made a mistake and released the forsaken and nynave as the dragon is the hero who fixes it
I'm not a book reader but I'm confused about Moiraine and how, why, and who stilled her, or this just to Aes Sedai? I know it's different but in season 1 the false dragon, as far as I was aware had to be taken to the White Tower to be gentled so how and who stilled Moiraine? Is this explained, maybe I missed it, maybe it happened the Eye of the World, but I don't remember that being the case. I know didn't have her powers there but it wasn't made clear that her powers would be gone forever. Can someone please explain (if there is an explanation)? There must be some thinking behind this in the show if this isn't in the books beyond it just meaning Moiraine can be in a certain place without her powers.
So in the book series there is a process that in the Age of Legends was called Severing. In the current age it is called Gentling for Men, and Stilling for Women. The effect is the same: it permanently cuts the person off from the True Source, though they are still able to sense its presence.
For Aes Sedai (women) there is the additional effect of removing the oaths they swore on the Oath Rod.
In all cases the person Severed ends up losing the will to live (with rare exception).
Now, in the books there are also cases of a very strong one power user shielding a much weaker one, almost so that it would be permanent. The hypothesis for the show is that Moiraine is actually shielded but mistakes it for Stilling. For if she was stilled she could lie and Lan’s bond would have snapped.
@@bookcloaks Thanks for explaining this, I did know most of this already from other reviews, but it's always good to know. What the question I really wanted answered though was that wouldn't Moiraine have actually had to have been in the presence of many Aes Sedai to be stilled? If this was the case she'd know whether it was shielding or being stilled. I thought shielding was something she would herself. I get that us, the audience, wouldn't know, but she would. It just seems like poor show writing to me.
@@mattpotter8725 No, because this gets into the relative power levels of specific characters such as Logain, Ishamael, Moiraine, Liandrin and others.
Ishamael is as strong as they come and could theoretically Still Moiraine on his own. In the books there is a similarly strong male character that Stills 3 Aes Sedai at once.
Most Aes Sedai by the time of the books are not strong enough to do the reverse to a man, and therefore they utilize linking to overpower a man to gentle him. It’s also worth noting that linking is something women can do (up to a point) that men cannot.
@@bookcloaks Thanks again, great to have more knowledge. The only reason I asked was that for Moirraine to be stilled (and assuming it wasn't by someone as powerful as Ishamael) something like happened to Logain when he was captured by the many Aes Sedai before being taken to the White Tower would have needed to happen, it's not just something where a character with power might just wake up and have lost their power. The other reason was that Moirraine didn't have access to the one power at the Eye of the World, but it wasn't suggested that she'd never get it back, then we next see her collecting water months later when at the house of the retired/former Aes Sedai so unless something happened off screen between these scenes, which it was the case surely have been somehow conveyed to the audience I still don't understand how she lost her power. And more than this it doesn't really explain why she treats Lan the way she did (even though I understand that when stilled or shielded they lose the link to their warder).
@@mattpotter8725 yes, it’s the status of Lan’s bond that has us all confused. Because if she was stilled he would be dead or in a suicidal rage. But if she was shielded, she should know she is shielded, so… it makes no sense.
In the books, after Mat has woken up from his healing, Lanfear walks into his room and puts all these ideas into his head about why he can't trust the Aes Sedai. Then she leaves. Of note, she was not wearing this big stupid dress, she has never worn anything that gaudy from what I recall.
Later, Siuane visits Mat and they talk a while and then she says, paraphrasing
"You know you remind me of my uncle. He was the laziest man I knew, always tried to get out of work and never put any effort in. He died in a fire. He kept running back into the building to get the children still inside out. He wouldn't stop running back in until every child was safe."
The books are so damn good. This is who Matrim Cauthon is.
"Mat, Rand and Perrin are in serious trouble, you need to get to Tyre to help them!"
"What!? That's stupid! How am I supposed to just stroll on over to TEAR? Do you have any idea how far away that is? What am I going to do to help that they can't do themselves? Yeah one ticket to Tear please. It's so stupid! I'm going to get there and they'll be just fine. I shouldn't even bother you know."
Then he gets on a boat going to Tear.
Also I would like to point out, I checked a map, Tar Valon is literally as far away as you can GET from Falmme without going into the wastes. So Liandrin would have had to transport 3 grown women ACROSS A CONTINENT while keeping them all unconscious, watered, fed and CLEANED, cause if any of them wakes up for just a few seconds, they can set her on FIRE. There is NO WAY Liandrin is powerful enough to keep THREE women shielded at once. That also means all of them should be captured, if she can keep them unconscious for the entire journey, she can keep them unconscious long enough to have the..... devices, put on them. Light they even ruined the magic collars! HOW DO YOU RUIN MAGIC COLLARS!?
I agree with everything said except the parts about Tyre confused me. Where is Tyre? Did you mean Tear? Or Tyr in the borderlands where Faile comes from?
@@kirielbranson4843 I read the audiobooks.
"Another Turning of the Wheel" literally sounds like the title of a Fanfic
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So the show runners have given us Moiraine, Nyneave, and Egwene "episodes"...any word on when they intend to provide a Rand, Perrin, or Mat "episode"?
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About Loial and treesinging. I believe that you are ascribing to it a greater degree of sacredness than is presented in the books. Treesinging is done with purpose, and yes, he would hate it being a simple entertainment, but it would not be a moral betrayal for him to do so, as it is most commonly used to create everyday implements such as bowls and hand tools. He would resist being used in this way, but not to the point of defiance.
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Siuan was never ostentatious. Her dress and furniture were always described as simple and functional. She did wear a stole striped with the 7 colors of the aes sedai.
Correct
What the hell is Lanfear wearing???
Anyone who claims this show is a different turning of the Wheel to justify the complete stupidity the writers have put into this show is simply demonstrating that they know nothing at all about this series. When the Second Age comes around again, the Dragon won't be named Lews Therin Telamon. When the Third Age comes around again, the Dragon Reborn won't be named Rand al'Thor. The Ages repeat in largely broad strokes; people and places don't have the same names each time the Age comes around again. Thom makes this absolutely clear when he tells Elayne that he's found multiple stories that are clearly about Brigitte under different names. The Heroes of the Horn _all_ confirm this is true, as they are _ALL_ known by many, many names.
There's a scene in Book 4 where Thom and Moiraine are trying to one another by revealing potentially damaging details about each other. Moiraine knows that Thomdril Merrilin is the Gray Fox, who was Morgase's lover and who could play the Game of Houses in his sleep. Thom calls Moiraine Damodred "Taringail's youngest half-sister." Which means that in the books, at least, Moiraine may have an older sister, but she does not have any younger.
I still feel like Moiraine is Shielded even though she writes that she has been Stilled. For her right now, it's effectively the same thing, there are no capable male channelers around to reverse it, so may as well be Stilled. Maybe Rand will save the day with removing the Shield, he can do something useful finally.
If she was shielded she would be able to feel the Source, just not embrace it. By male or female. If she is stilled, she can't feel it at all. The problem is Ishmael in s1 ep8 says how bad it sucks being able to feel the Source, but not touch it which implies shielding. She says she is stilled. Aes Sedai know what stilling feels like, so she would know if she is shielded or stilled
@@ethanbrinkman3401 I too think she is shielded. There are many hints done on purpose as if, to show that she is shielded, not stilled. Even the moment Ishamael says It must be awful to BE ABLE to feel The Source, but not to be able to touch it. They show how a shield looks like, what the stilling(gentling) of a man looks like, what shield over a woman looks like. There was no other reason for Liandrin to shield Nynaeve, other than to show how shielding a woman looks like. Nynaeve struggled to breathe, just like Moiraine was gasping as if someone had suffocated her. It was described as pain in both cases. There was a knot-like wave in the hand of Ishamael, but Moiraine couldn't see that, she just felt pain. He ties the shield with a knot. There is a good chance that Moiraine doesn't know how it feels for a woman to be stilled. What they know by now - to hold a shield over someone takes effort and the moment the shield is let go off, the shielded person is free. If they knew a shiled could be tied up, they would do it with Logain and go to dinner. Instead, they made a point to show how hard is to hold a shield. They don't have that knowledge.
Also the biggest fear for an Aes sedai is to be stilled. Women go crazy, both man and women attempt suiside, they get depressed ets. No one mention how it ACTUALLY feels like, aside of some abstract ideas. Not actual specific sensations. Why? Because it happens rarely, so much so they say the novices had to learn the names of the women and their crimes by heart. So few they are and so long ago. Also Lan is fine, not going crazy, Moiraine is not going crazy or suicidal. Their bond is fine just masked. Convinient.
The show made a huge point to show the unreliable narator, or simply how many people are just WRONG when they say something. Since episode one, again and again, they say these weird things that could be considered lies. And they get away with them because the person who says them believes them to be truths. Also sometimes to me some of them sound like straight up lies, because they seems like some of them are facts that aren't for interpretationa and they know that.
I also think that because of the conversation of Ishamael and Lanfear, Ishamael has plans for Moiraine and he left her shilded on purpose in order to tell her later that only he is able to get her power back if she get's on his side or something...
@@ethanbrinkman3401 Yeah, I realized after i posted this that Moiraine wouldn't have been able to lie about that, if she said she was Stilled, then she at least believes it to be true. Oh man, maybe one of the girls can fix her soon! 🤗
@@esterzach Thanks for the comment! I agree with everything you said, and it helps me to explain why Moiraine was able to write "i have been Stilled." because maybe she doesnt exactly know what it would feel like, plus they think shields must be maintained and cannot be tied off at all. She believes she is Shielded. But then, I think why couldn't Rand see the tied Shield on her? Unreliable narrator or special Forsaken stuff or Rand just doesn't have that type of mastery yet?
@Saerwen_Celeste only thing I can think of is she is shielded, but since Ishmael can invert his weaves rand can't see them. Still don't like what they've done with this plot line. Too many changes and contradictions
Omg!! The Seanchan not checking the building after the Yellow Sedai died had me appalled. Like what kind of military force is this!!!
Its a military force written but people who have no clue how the military works, and they are a bunch of self proclaimed know it all's who are to self-centered to ask an expert how a military force would work.
No reactors I've watched have said anything about Liandrin wearing a BLACK shawl cloak at Siuans arrival to Cairhien. I thought Aes Sedai made a point to never wear black, even for travelling, maybe I'm wrong. Also this was after Liandrins meeting with Lanfear, so who knows what she is up to with Lanfear now.
You need to be in range to sense a weave, the more powerful the weave the longer the distance needed to sense it, but you have to have line of sight to SEE the weave to know what's being done.
The Liandrin plot in the episode is the result of far too many writers in the writing room, because they are most likely separating into smaller groups and writing what they want without tlaking to everyone else first.
Thanks for affirming why i can't and wont watch season 2. That is far from the wheel of time. Definitely not what book fans wanted. Painful.
If you need Healing to open the collars, then how is Mat going to do it when he rescues the Windfinders who have captured by the Seanchan in Ebou Dar?
45:15 Funny thing about this bond in question, if I recall this warder did still almost get himself killed on his path to his new Aes Sedai and he was barely surviving still looking for a purpose he later found in another Aes Sedai he believed in.
Thank god, been eagerly awaiting this since I had to sit through it.
Probably the best episode of the show so far which isn't saying much, but at least there's FINALLY some stuff that resembles the books.
This episode is maybe a 1.25 against a series of 1.0's
I seem to remember book 2 having quite a bit about a Great Hunt for the horn. Seems to have been a very short hunt and the Horn has been barely mentioned. Why are we supposed to care if it gets blown in the final episode or who by? Im guessing in this version, Nynaeve or Lanfear will blow it
apparently they forgot that Min's predictions always came true.
Many Aes Sedai were killed by bowmen or crossbows in the books in the middle of a battle, so apparently they couldn't weave a shield for themselves.
A small correction; Loial and Ingtar know Egwene got captured because they were there when she was presented to Turok. They spent both of their scenes in the last episode standing in one spot.
I also find it amusing that, once again, Rand's entire motivation to do anything is because of Egwene. His only role in this shit show of a shit show is to simp for her.
Wait... An Aes Sedai uses the power to kill a _sul'dam_ in this episode? So, she's Black Ajah? The _sul'dam_ aren't shadowspawn or darkfriends, and unless the _sul'dam_ was actively trying to kill the Aes Sedai, her warder, or another Aes Sedai, the Third Oath would completely prevent her from attacking the _sul'dam_ with the Power.
FFS...Example 8954 that these idiots know nothing about the story they claim to be trying to adapt.
Not certain if I agree. She has seen what Seanchan do to captured women. There is no doubt her warder would fight to the death to prevent that, so in her own mind she can justify attacking as defending her warder's life.
@@timcotton1782 Yeah...that's not how the Three Oaths work. At all.
*"She has seen what Seanchan do to captured women."*
And? Are the Seanchan _killing,_ or even attempting to kill, the collared Aes Sedai? No. No they aren't. Ergo, the Oath will not allow an Aes Sedai to use the Power as a weapon against _sul'dam_ until the _sul'dam_ is not only ACTUALLY attempting to kill the Aes Sedai, but if the Aes Sedai has no other way to defend herself or another Aes Sedai.
*"There is no doubt her warder would fight to the death to prevent that,..."*
Again, this is irrelevant. The Oath is quite specific: The Power may be used as a weapon _IN THE LAST EXTREME_ of defense. If an Aes Sedai sees a _sul'dam,_ she can't automatically burn the _sul'dam_ to ashes because _if_ the _sul'dam_ were to put a collar on the Aes Sedai, the Aes Sedai's warder would then attack the _sul'dam_ to free his Aes Sedai. The Oath doesn't allow you to preemptively attack someone because of an action your Warder might take in some potential, future scenario. That's utter nonsense.
*"...so in her own mind she can justify attacking as defending her warder's life."*
Do...do you even know what words mean? You seriously just claimed that an Aes Sedai can justify _ATTACKING_ someone with the Power as a _defense_ against something that _MIGHT_ happen at some future point. I've watched several episodes of this abomination of a television series, and your comment may be one of the most egregious and blatant misunderstandings of absolutely _BASIC_ WoT lore I've ever witnessed. That takes some doing.
Yeah, why didn’t the Aes Sedai link with Elayne & Nynaeve then use the power to probe the a’dam ?
Well, Shammi did say he was trying to make all Rand's friends go dark so he'd lose hope and switch sides.. So sending Mat miiiight make some sense .. but I suspect it would require the dagger to have lost some of it's book powers...
Shad is doing for us what they tell Lan to do in S1E5.
‘Release our grief.’
This like Rings, is a discount version of said novels. I also couldn't wait for this one, as I always look forward to your Rings and Wheel reviews. So when do they find out that it takes someone like Mat to remove the collar with no problem.
I'm a huge wheel of time book fan,, and I am more excited for your episode reviews than I am for the show.!
Maybe someone in the production staff for WOT heard the claim that Egwene is "unbreakable" and misheard it as "unlikeable"? Perhaps that's the source for the confusion in the show? The two words do sound very similar after all.
I think it's obvious. He wants Matt to try to kill rand, then he swoops in to save him and gain his trust etc
I thought the same, or perhaps Ishamael thinks Matt's attempting to kill Rand will break Rand psychologically and make him easier to turn to the dark.
I don't even watch this show, nor have I read the books. I just get a kick out of your reactions.
Even if there are hints of goodness in this show, it is not enough to keep me invested even for a newcomer like me. I'm still displeased that they still cut out many of Rand's scenes and skipping important events happening in Fal Dara in the Great Hunt. But hey, 8 episodes per season folks!
Shout out to those who didnt like egwane long before show came out
You survived a second shooting of this video!
BTW, Shad, with regards to the crest of thr bear, chained and muzzled, . . . The Dalavian Council of Dukes send their regards.
at this point in the books (roughly)
- Rand, Mat and Perrin are making their way towards Falme
- Rand is starting to embrace his destiny and knows that he'll have to confront the Dark One
- The events in Cairhain have reunited the Hunters of the Horn after Rand and co skipped ahead accidentally
- Paider Fain has the horn and dagger again
- We've also met up with Thom again after he was feared dead
I don't think half of this has made it into the show thus far based on Shad and Disparu's reviews
I would like to add that when lan thought moraine had died and the bind transfered he still acted as thought the bind broke and if it wasn't for the new aes sadai holding it he would have gotten himself killed
Warders dont just die by default after stilled. Some get into a huge depression and do. Some warders can survive i think if strong enough willed.