Halo 1 - Why The Pistol Is So Effective Against Hunters
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- You may have noticed that in Halo CE, you can easily take out Hunters with 1 shot by shooting them in the back with a pistol. Let's find out why the magnum is so effective!
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So this practically confirms that Hunters are Skinheads.
CasualJJ skinghead gang rise up
OOF
I think they’re actually headskins
Hunters: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for Mgalekgolo children."
Lol ok
The Halo CE pistol was modified by someone at the last minute to be as powerful as it is now.
I think you repeated yourself 6 times in this video
Anything to get the essay to 500 words
not hating but when i saw this i was like does this need to be a 5 min video lol
Bring back the comparisons with Assembly
I would like if you could do a video showing the modifiers of all the weapons like you did in the video about the sniper being weak against the flood,you know,to reveal what weapons are specially useful and againts a specific kind of enemy.
But how many Magnum or Sniper shots can Hunters take?
If the headshot check its disabled?
"Its really easy to do and its pretty much almost like a cheat really"
proceeds to miss twice
Yup lol! I love General Heed but the amount of times he missed was cringe.
The hunters backs are considered headshots, so the entire hunter body is basically a head
Very good for legendary play throughs
If you play persona non grata in mw3 get to the uvg and look at yuri you will see that its kamorovs design
Figured it was a bug that they kept as they could've found it funny. Although, having a method to down them easily for experienced players or informed newbies. Work smarter not harder, well-placed shot vs dumping rockets into their face.
The pistol in Halo 1 is a High Explosive round as well you shoot them and the bullet blows all the worm bits to... bits
so does the magnum have a damage modifier when you get a headshot?
Are you able to make a mod for 4 player co-op for the campaign?
When I was a kid, I found this out by accident I left my Halo ce idoling for a bit and when I came back I saw a video of a hunter being killed like this in assault on the control room in the start menu video.
Well yeah but they're back is their skin and skin is head, so their back is a part of their head
So their back *IS* their head
It's a shame that such technology to kill a hunter instantly was lost to the UNSC when installation 04 was destroyed.
Also a theory that works off the lore: The Hunters are Gestalt intelligences of the Lekgolo, or put simply, all the individual worms together increase the intelligence of a larger mass of them. So perhaps sensations, such as trauma, is shared among all the individual worms as well? A single Magnum shot is that damaging to the handful of worms it hits, that the pain shocks the entire colony because remember, Everything is shared between all the worms.
TRUE
And I thought I had A giant head.
Tis pistol are good against flood as well only take few shoot to kill em until I found a shotgun.
The CE pistols damage counter in the files does not represent the damage it does in game. It's been known for awhile now that an old bungie dev (Jason Jones) added code in that changes the damage value of the magnum on loading the map
Are you talking about the modifiers that each body part gets?
No. I mean he added code in that changes the damage output of the magnum because it was easier than re coding the gun in the base files.
:/Yey for bodge code.
@@1994patricklong Yeah I'm going to need citation on that.
This is a game made in the late 90s on a console that had pretty limited processing power and memory. Developers had to be very damn careful with how they used those valuable resources. Bolting a script onto every single map would not be efficient.
Plus the damage values aren't hardcoded, they are exposed variables that are so easily changed that even modders with limited knowledge of the engine can modify them without difficulty. You wouldn't hardcode these values because that would make polishing the game (by balancing damage/health) borderline impossible. That also means that you wouldn't have to "recode the game" to change them.
Why would you go through all the effort of making a script that hijacks the loading process and modifies a single value during runtime when you could literally go into the developer files and change one number to a different number?
@@cyqry Polygon, july 8 2013. Article by Alexia Ray Correia via an interview by IGN. do your research
awww, I thought it will be more lore :(
You are the master at drawing out videos longer than they need to be.
I literally just got the achievement by accident and wanted to know how the hell I managed it.
It’s because the pistol shoots like 500 caliber bullet
Just say anything considered a critical point is defined as the head
Wait didn’t you cover this already?
I wish this guy would make his videos more effective. It feels like I'm watching a video made by a clickbait company. This entire video could have been 30 seconds long, instead it's drawn out to be 10 times as long because he repeats the same information a billion times. Could've been an interesting short video, but it isn't.
I totally agree. He spends so much time rambling about irrelevant crap before getting to the point of the video.
Also saying "well technically its not x" before saying it's actually basically the exact same, he's trying to convince you he's right and everyone else is wrong because reasons, even though he's saying the exact same thing (just less clearly). Like the "infection form has 80 health" video, dude could stand to talk to people more knowledgeable than himself rather than repeating his own misunderstandings about the way the game works lol
Yeah, I feel like he just wings every single one of his videos. He doesn't seem to have a script or bullet points he's reading from to keep focused and I'm convinced he doesn't know how to edit his audio or do multiple takes for lines. Makes for a very amateur high school video project feel.
Hookiebird had already confirmed this.
Hmmm I never knew this
Oh
Cuz it's gods weapon
Halo CE hunters were the easiest enemies in this game. Heck, even grunts can be more challenging due to their numbers.
But can it one shot a scarab?
TBH this whole video is just a semantic argument. The idea that the back is their head isn't really wrong or being busted here; you're just showing that it isn't the only part that's considered their head. It's always been known that all their orange parts are weak points, just the back is the easiest to hit. But if all the skin is considered the head then that still means the back is the head or if you wanna be semantic part of the head.
No its because you headshot one of the worms
I only learned about this trick in CE inone of those preview of the game, when you wait long enough not doing anything in the Start up or Game Menu a clip will play a short gameplay of Halo CE showing some of the missions and cutscene aswell as that one shot trick for the Hunters
Too bad I swapped mine and I dont think i can get it anymore
Real answer: Because the Halo 1 pistol is the Super Shotgun from Doom.
I seen you somewhere before but where?!?!??!??!
@@articusramos808 he always in the comment section
@@DJWixel I know that, this is a gag I tend to do when meeting any of the mustache guys
Somewhere? Wrong. You mean *everywhere*
No its a bolter
In short: Hunters are walking armored heads
they are a worm race same race as scarabs
But as far as the programming for halo 1 is concerned, they are indeed walking heads
Edit: also with invincible armor I might add, only bypassed by area of effect damage and, technically, head shots
Well, considering they’re all amalgamated worms, you could consider that their hive-mindedness is A head.
@@pierreo33 also neggas
For some reason I thought it was that you destroy the "back" which would cause them to collapse to the ground, basically killing it.
I always assumed it was because the bullet from the pistol just bounced around on the inside a whole bunch
Close, apparently the rounds are actually slightly explosive, and as such kill a bunch of the Lekgolo worms at once.
It shreds the worms inside the armor
"Why do hunters have their back exposed ?"
"Uhmm, it's actually their head"
...
"Why do hunters have their head exposed ?"
The pp
Head back
@Jf Kaks no I ain't like you all to give everything a pp, I was just suggesting it as a joke and because the hunter pairs are called bond brothers
Wtf
Realistically, it would seem like that would give them greater flexibility there, like how knights had no plating where their joints were, which served as their weak spots
The answer is: It's the CE Pistol.
The weaker H2 pistol 1 shots (2 shots on Legendary) the H2 hunters so just this once it ain't an HCE pistol thing.
You mean the pistol-shaped rifle?
I mean the pistol shaped nuke.
Friend: We're outnumbered fourteen to two!
Me with the M6D: Then it is an even fight.
Story wise, I like to think that the bullet ricochets inside the armour which takes out enough of the worms inside to bring the body down.
If this were how it worked I'd actually have some of the worms wriggle away from the corpse.
Seems legit
It's wrong. The Magnum fires explosive ammunition. The weapon fires HE(high explosive) rounds that explode on impact which basically rips a huge hole into the worm colony.
Sidenote, in Halo 3 and maybe others, if you shoot hunter skin little animated worms come out in addition to the blood.
@@nathankurtz8045 wait what?!?!?!
@@hououinkyoma1662 does it exploded on impact? I thought the reason it's so effective is that it lodges itself into the head and or worm colony and THEN explodes thus destroying the brain/ disrupting the colony.
Makes sense, you are shooting the worms and you're bound to hit one of their heads
Its actually a good reason to make them so incredibly heavily armoured, if they were tough enough to continue on through damage the resources on armour wouldn't be needed, but in the hunter worms case even a slightly close grenade explosion would throw shrapnel out and kill many of the worms that make up the body of the hunter, and if they go limp from being dead that part of the body just falls away and the body structure it supported
I’m going to guess because the flesh part of the hunter is pretty much a headshot.
lol
well, they're a can of worms, so they're technically heads everywhere
If I remember correctly, the sniper was an antimaterial weapon, and the pistol fired explosive rounds. So you're essentially firing either destructive, or explosive rounds into the central nervous system of the hunter. Lore-wise at least.
Another thing to point out is that the Hunter is actually formed of possibly thousands of alien worms combined to make 1 body, so basically you killed their mom worm and they all cried to death.
probably. ahaha
no u kill enough worms to make the body fall..
Yup, any exposed skin counts as a headshot. Speedrunners like Garish often shoot hunters in the gut with a pistol or sniper rifle.
In short of the video
The whole body that is exposed, under the game files are classified as the "head" of the Hunter.
So the damage modifier for any precision weapon, counts as a headshot which results in an instant kill.
That's for the game files.
Lore wise:
Hunter is made by having a colony of intelligent worms banded together and synced mind, similar to how an ant colony functions like fire ants banding together to make as a makeshift airpocket to get thru puddles of water.
And due to the integrity of their binded body, they have extremely strength to lift each other, it's like how humans muscles tissues are like strands of it. Hence the whole body is the brain and body.
The covenant took advantage of that and had them equipped with heavy armor plating and heavy weaponry that was only meant for vehicular use, aka their Banshee bomb.
But due to the nature of their worm form, and having to require flexibility. They aren't like Spartans where they have armor layers and have gel layer wraps to provide small layer of protection, assuming the worms need to breathe.
Now comes the standard issue Magnum of PoA personnels.
The quirks of the ammunition used
- Armor-Piercing(AP Rounds)
- Packed with small explosives.
With that said, with that ammunition with its AP quirks, pierced thru the worms and from within comes its 2nd quirk, exploding, this results in creating a small crater of the Hunter's body structure that require the Lekgolo worms to having to relocate to cover the area similar to how our White Blood Cells moves to cover the exposed injured area of our body to prevent external threats, during all that, sending small shrapnels of the bullet propelled by the explosive throughout the body of the colony, tearing through and killing or massively damaging the worms in multiple areas, causing massive havoc in the whole body structure.
And due to the threat it sensed by instinct, the worms would naturally like humans enter a state of panic, and with multiple worms dead, the perfect bond is broken and unable to sustain each other weight and mentally broke from the danger due to "dead muscles" or "Injured beyond work-capable muscles" in random multiple areas depending on the shrapnels sent, the colony falls apart and "dies". With all the damage that was done, they are not able to reform into their combat state due to having insufficient worm quantity to band together.
This is particularly true during the Halo 2 Anniversary Terminal, Taming of the Hunters.
With the nature of the plasma weaponry, it was shown how a certain quantity of Lekgolo Worms are required to form the Hunter Combat Form seeing as the size of the Hunters are never changed even in the Terminal cutscene, and how it was disintegrated due to the high output plasma scoring energy that burns through with repeated areas, resulting in the Hunter Form falling apart until they can gather enough quantity to reform the Hunter Combat Form.
If they want to follow the lore strict, they would show the worms splattered out, instead shows the orange blood of the worms and in later games when you bash the exposed areas, creates a sfx of Some1 punching a mashed up flesh sound. In a way how worms in real life are squished with all the goo of their body out.
But that's a waste of processing power unless they had resources to spare.
Edit:
I rmb at some source, a certain quantity to form a combat form of Lekgolo into a MgaLekgolo(Hunter Form), size and quantity is dependent on the gravity.
The lower the gravity pull, the bigger they are.
Hence size difference amongst all games, CE is the smallest and presumably lesser Lekgolo worms as compared to the other games and shows. Which is also most likely why they are most prone to death by the CE Magnum.
Wow that was a great explanation, and familiar. I do remember reading about that in the past.
I thought that ammunition for the Pistol in Halo CE is HE rounds not AP? which literally makes the Pistol a handheld mobile version of a tank gun. Which explains why it is op
@@nickryan6787 In the game manual back then in the OG Xbox Halo CE Disc Casing, it was described to have a design of Armor Piercing, along with small explosive packed inside so it will have a mini explosive after penetration
@@Vonmoonlight I have checked the Halo Fandom Wiki and they stated that it shoots APHE. which stands for Armour Piercing-High Explosive. I don't think that this kind of shell exists yet in our current time so I'm just going to assume that it is written like that in full form. So basically, this type of shell pierces into a target's armour and explodes upon penetration.
@@nickryan6787 Yep, hence why it was quite overpowered. I may have said small explosive although it was described as APHE, but well, the manual mentioned small, but probably considered HE due to the fact that the impact is quite big for a bullet like that.
Hunters are actually hundreds of worm like aliens tht the covenant "tamed." But thts just wat Halo Lore says.
People: the pistol one shots hunters because the head is flagged as a head.
General heed: actually your wrong, it’s actually because their skin is flagged as a head!
Me: what?
You missed his point. The back isn't considered the head like people thought, in fact, any exposed part is technically the head
@@rhamby3470 i don't think PxM missed his point. it's just his point was hella stupid.
Halo 3: ODST: Engineers infected by the Flood!
I think I figured this out back in halo 2 when using the beam rifle on a hunter. I never considered it a headshot per say but I knew that if you the right kind of weapon, a well placed shot to an orange region got you a swift kill. Pretty brilliant game mechanic in my opinion. A mini boss that truly rewards player skill and knowledge of their opponent.
Can different covenant like hunters drones jackals ect use powerups
Yeah, good question, we only see elites do it.
halo 2 fan overshield, cloak, ultra speed?
halo 2 fan Yeah man OS makes your shield go over 9000
bmxdude1337 and cloak makes you like the invisible man from fortune teller baba’s tournament.
halo 2 fan yeah, and they had to remove the super speed from the playable game, since if you used it it would break the game, and they didn’t have the time to fix it.
Hunters: NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE
one chief boi: no u
Good thing I brought my close wounds spell because I feel like I am about to catch a heavy shield to the face
I just learned this the other day and didn’t believe it so yesterday I shot a hunter in the back with one and was dumbfounded the amount of time, effort, rockets and grenades wasted…
Could have been a 1 minute video, tops.
lekgolo are worms technically in the books so the "skin" is a mass of worms banded together in a colony
Why does plasma weapons go through hunter armour?
Headshot Areas:
-Neck
-Belly
-Back
I think RubyMods made a perfected version that made it so that it takes more than one shot to kill them.
I mean canonically the rounds fired from the magnum were SAPHE (Semi-Armor Piercing High Explosive) So it would make sense if the round enters the "body" hits the inside of the armor causing it to detonate causing lethal shrapnel and pressure waves.
I didn’t know about this until 2016
It took you five minutes to say "it's because all of their skin is flagged as a head".
But to be perfectly clear...
it's not that the back is the head, but that the back is skin, and the skin is the head, and so the back is the head. But it isn't the head. The skin is the head. But the back is made of skin, which isn't made of armour, because if it were made of armour then it wouldn't be the head, and it isn't the head, but it is made of skin, and the skin is the head.
@@BCMSi im sorry, I still dont get it. Could you explain again?
@@harjon3583 I think I can stretch it out for another 4 minutes of content if you think that'll help
@@BCMSi never have I seen stronger devotion
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Why is the plasma rifle so effective against sentinals?
3:01 here we can see general heed being a complete badass
Hunters are a colony of small worms that group together into different shapes and are really working like a gestalt entity as a colony of likeminded individuals.
If we look at the unprotected back/waist area, it’s a load bearing structure and pivot point for all that armour. If you take that out, the whole thing goes down as it can’t take the weight anymore.
Also, as a brief aside, I notice from the clip you normally dodge left(Your left, Hunter’s right) when they charge.
It’s always best to dodge right(Hunter’s left), as that exposes the back faster.
I know your clip is to showcase how the hunter exposes its back and you are drawing the moment out. But it’s way easier to dodge right and pivot for a fast takedown(I’ve been killing those hunters for 22 years, lol and it’s become a reflex at this point)
I gotta say it,i didn't remember that the pistol could one shot the hunters...maybe because i was using only meele when i fought with them,for me,that was more fun and challenging that just killing them with bullets...that's the same reason why i didn't like fighting the hunters in halo 2.
Watch out we got a badass in the AO
Because the hunters in halo ce are weak asf
You said that their whole body is their head like 12 times
In the original version of halo the hunters had an exposed front torso which was also an instakill with the pistol and sniper rifle.
Doesn't the controlling worm thing sit in the back? I think I remember Master Chief pulling out some worm thing from the Hunter's back, killing it.
In forward unto dawn the movie thing.
it is not a single worm. It is a colony of worms. Google Lekgolo
@@hououinkyoma1662 Ok apparently Chief sticks a grenade into the back of the hunter so I was wrong. Googling is a good idea.
The book explains the type of ammunition for that glorious pistol
Oof, it is their ‘head’ I love learning these things all these years later
Hunters Skin - 1 Shot Job
My Fore Skin - 1 Hand Job
The worms being the "skin" means you can alternatively kill them in the stomach as that area is "exposed"; in the classic graphics, is orange and bare.
There is also a small spot on the neck, but it is really hard to hit.
sniper rifle is one-hit too.
No this video doesn't explain it to me, why does a 25 damage bullet suddenly do 200 or more damage? Is there a multiplyer if you hit something in the head or something?
Everyone for years: Oh it's because the Magnum fires High Explosive rounds, or because the round ricochetes until it the colony dies.
Me, for years: Nah, it's just because they programmed the exposed areas as the head.
Everybody: *Ignores me*
Generalkidd: It's because the skin was classified as the head.
Everybody: Oh, that makes sense.
Man, I don't know why I even bother sometimes.
If you aim at the corner in the crook of their arm, you can also one shot them 😊.
Here are your next video ideas. Do a play though of CE on legendaru with instakill activated for each mission. You could answer several questions along the way.
1. Can you instakill the immortal marines on POA after you betray Keyes?
2. On Halo can you still spawn the next wave of drop ships if you kill the first wave without letting them retreat.
3. Also on halon will killing for hammer on the last rescue mission disable the ending cutscene?
3.5 On T&R can you kill Keyes through the ray shield early and if so will he still be in the cutscene.
4.On AOTC, if you instakill fire team zulus pelican when you are on the bridge, does that de spawn the marines when you get to ground level?
5. On the library if you instakill a carrier, does it also kill the infection forms inside?
6. On keyes if you instakill the banshees before they land can you still end the mission?
7. On Maw can you instakill the engines without a grenade?
I don't even seen the video yet, but as someone who has played HOURS on CE, since a kid, the moment when i realized how OP the magnum was, and how in the campaign you can 1 shoot a hunter from a back shoot, or even better, by crouching and shooting in his belly are *PRICELESS* ; that moment of realization make me feel really good.
So maybe is for that, that in halo:reach i found hunters soo damn anoying, because they are actually bullet sponges (specially on legendary, they are a pain on the ass, even if you shoot gun point black on his back after breaking their armor, you need to shoot them 3-4 times and you only get 1 flinch; being worse by the fact that a single hit or plasma missile let you at 3 cells; so yeah, i really hates them, more on the pilar of autum level when you have to fight them with almost no ammo when they are followed by those jackals wanna be).
No because the CE Magnum fired explosive rounds, that’s why is so effective against everything, even banshee's, so if you shoot at the Hunter worms you’re basically exploding all the worms inside
Because the Halo 1 pistol is a futuristic D-Eagle shooting high explosive rounds, and hunters are made up of lekgolo worms, each pair is one whole colony of worms, or just one Halo 3 Scarab. The pistol simply shreds a lot of them with one shot.
Lore wise it also correct
I’ve played this game how many times now and never knew this?!? Lol
I did enjoy dual wielding magnums against hunters in Halo 3 though!
Generalkidd Can you do a video of the Halo series difficulty cutscene differences like the grunt’s toys on Delta Halo, Johnson’s motivation lines on Metroplis, and Johnson’s lines on Sierra 117?
I think it’s more because a hunter is a combination of many worms that make up a Hunter. Each worm has a head that they interact with the other worms which is why they’re able to all work together as one being. So if you shoot one worm in the back area then it makes sense why the whole hunter looses connection and dies. Idk exactly how hunter worms interact but that’s probably the best why I can think of. Saying “because the head is the skin” it doesn’t make sense. Okay...? The head is the skin? Think about it? Not judging or bashing but it’s just confusing.
Ah, but why is it flagged as, "head?" The Head flag has another property: it doubles the damage of non headshot weapons. At the time, Bungie couldn't separate the head flag from the instant kill, but still wanted the hunters to have a weak spot. That's why in later Halos, Hunters don't die in one shot except to snipers and other power weapons.
You're telling me that you can have 200 hp and still get one tapped by a pistol because you're back is coded as your head? Seems like a technical oversight from Bungie if you ask me.
So, no head?
In the lore the pistol is a one shot kill on hunters because of the UNSCs use of .50 cal. Explosive ammo. Which is reflected in the game.
Dude if you need photage where the player can aim hit me up bro lol. Good god XD Love ya tho
you have a very strange way of aiming on a gamepad my friend.
You can also shoot them in the gut or the head and get the same result. After almost 20 years I figured everyone knew the orange bits all qualified for headshots, the back is just the easiest one to tag when they are aggroed.
When people said their back is their head, they’re saying exactly what you’re saying. Everyone knows you can shoot any exposed bit. No need to be so specific.
You haven't spent much time in the UA-cam comments, you're way too optimistic about how smart the average Joe is.
Well I didn't know I could kill them one-shot in front of them
I never knew you could shoot them in any exposed bit. I thought it was only the back. I've been playing Halo 1 since like 2002 lmao.
@@TheVivi13 If you didn't know that I guess that's fair enough but you'd automatically assume that the neck skin is the same as back skin and therefore would have the same damage multipliers right?
@@ThisBirdHasFlown Nope for some reason I thought in Halo 1 their back specifically was extremely weak. I don't think in the probably.. 50+ times I played through the entire campaign, I ever shot a Hunter in the neck or chest with a pistol/sniper. Like I knew their neck and chest are DAMAGEABLE, but not that they are one shot. Heck, even with an AR I would shoot them in the back for damage and never the front.
Soldier: sir, we're severely outnumbered
Master chief with the CE pistol: then it's a fair fight
You can kill the hunter with a shot to the head when they are waiting for the attack, but it is a small pixel to shoot, I only did it once and I could never repeat it.