621: The Rise of Christian Extremism with Elizabeth Neumann
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- Опубліковано 6 лип 2024
- After working for the Department of Homeland Security, and more than twenty years as a counterterrorism expert, Elizabeth Neumann says the greatest threat to the U.S. is no longer international Islamic terrorism but domestic Christian extremists. She discusses her new book, “Kingdom of Rage,” with Skye and how conspiracy theories and violent political ideologies have infiltrated American evangelicalism. Also this week, the Southern Baptists debate which is the greater threat to the faith-the Nicene Creed or female pastors. And new data says drinking and smoking has plummeted among teenagers. Should we thank churches or smartphones?
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0:00 - Intro
1:22 - Show Starts
4:15 - Theme Song
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6:49 - Why Phil Was Expelled from Bible School (It’s Less Scandalous Than You Think!)
9:42 - The Annual SBC Meeting and Women Preaching, the Law Amendment
13:48 - Conservative SBC and Why Churches Split
19:26 - Motivations Behind Doctrine Changes matter
31:38 - Drinking, Smoking, and Chewing Tobacco Uncommon Amongst Gen Z
37:18 - Drinking’s Down, Depression’s Up
42:07 - The Church Community Stands Out in an Age of Loneliness
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48:51 - Interview
54:04 - From Focusing on International Threats to Domestic Threats
58:13 - The Mainstreaming of Replacement Theory
1:04:54 - How Neumann Avoided Radicalization
1:09:40 - The Needs That Make People Susceptible to Radicalization
1:18:18 - The Scale That Makes Domestic Radicalization a Huge Threat
1:25:04 - End Credits
Links Mentioned in the News Segment:
The SBC’s Proposed Law Amendment
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Does Going to Church Keep High Schoolers from Drinking and Smoking?
www.graphsaboutreligion.com/p...
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Kingdom of Rage: The Rise of Christian Extremism and the Path Back to Peace: a.co/d/64NM0N6
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When Skye answered his own question about whether childhood was harder 35 years ago or now, I think he was operating off of survivorship bias. A lot of us did not survive those years. Someone should look at overall teen mortality rates
Did they not say that depression and suicide rates are up amongst teens?
@@-_-DAVebut to be clear, it is possible for suicide rates to be up, but overall teen mortality to be down. Fewer teens do drugs, smoke, or engage in common risky “teen” behaviors than they did when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s. It would be interesting to see how all of the measures add up.
@@jahbern true that
I will look this all up. Honestly I didn't know about the Creeds you all speak of until I listened to you. So interesting the S Baptist convention is even talking about it.. oh my
My step-brother is 20 years younger than I am.
He and his friends (all legal age) are largely irreligious and socially liberal and have no interest in tobacco, minimal interest in alcohol, and love pot (legal here) but otherwise aren't into "adult" stuff. They're also into sports, social media, and video games.
I'm at the beginning and already thinking , "I don't want to here this , but prayingly already know that those of us that know Jesus have to hear the sad truth."
17:35 it was at this moment that I realized. I might be in a SBC church.
Let me guess: "non-denominational"?
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Good morning from the beautiful SF Bay Area. Last year I started following the Holy Post and Christianity Today to try to understand what has happened to my family and our country. I have been very grateful for the insights and learning how to listen to voices from the "other side". I have found that I was right to flee American 20th C. Christianity. I find these awful returns to openly hating women and our rights, and voter suppression to try to use devious means to silence opposing views, a support for my choices back in the 60's. Denials of all that is true, beautiful, and good about Jesus' teachings, and yes it is all about love, tells you everything you need to know. By their fruits you shall know them.
The conversation with Elizabeth is brilliant and everyone should hear it or read her book.
I'm going to buy the book, read it, and then hope my mom will read it. She and my dad are not J6ers, but they very much listen only to Fox News (I can tell by things my mom asks about Joe Biden's mental health, Jill Biden's "enabling," etc. but then neither she nor my dad know that Donald Trump mentioned Hannibal Lecter multiple times at rallies) and I'm hoping maybe they can spread the sanity to their social group.
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Blessings for you and your family.
Keep studying and you will come full circle ⭕️
@@hgservices5572did you ever actually study enough to learn anything new, or do you just believe the same things you've always believed?
@@hgservices5572 Keep studying and maybe someday you'll grow out of your small-minded hateful bigot phase.
Generally, I have noticed that more scholarly works are far more expensive than "trade" works. That deters people quite a lot.
I agree by God's grace. I was not caught up.☕
How do we define the term "Evangelical Christian"?
Bible believing Christian who want's to share their faith via evangelism. It should have nothing to do with politics.
"bible believing" is a bit vague. I would say most evangelical congregations, like most Western churches, subscribe to the Creeds of the first seven ecumenical councils (Trinity, 2 natures of JC, etc.), like protestant churches they believe in salvation based on Faith alone, they put more emphasis on the Bible than on tradition (in theory at least, in practice, I feel this is a tricky one) and in the priesthood of all believers, in contrast to most mainline protestant denominations, they usually practice believer's baptism (most reject infant baptism), they are more losely organized than most other churches (i.e. Catholics, Orthodox, a lot of mainline protetant Churches).
If used as a pejorative , anyone who actually believes the Bible and votes accordingly
@@hgservices5572you don't actually believe the Bible though. You would have to understand it first.
I'm so glad my dad introduced me to Rush Limbaugh, RIP my friend 😢
Fear and rage are powerful drugs. What crack did to Hunter Biden, Rush Limbaugh did to you.
Rush Limbaugh was awesome !
@@hgservices5572 He was listened to and trusted by people who only believe what they're told by people they trust, and who only trust people who tell them what they want to believe.
Lol even the most extremist types only ever bring up Rush to troll people. Hardly anyone actually cares about him anymore. He has the legacy that he deserved.
Vaping should be classified with smoking.
I'm in tears and had to walk out of a store because this lady broke my heart again. I praise the Lord I don't know anyone at the capital grounds , I definitely know and loved the pain of the big cloud of Republican Deceit in my family. It was so hard. It was exactly the condemn Clinton and then sign up for Fox News and Trump... I didnt handle it well at all. But made it thru..😢😢😢❤ We are so blessed jn Ky with an Awesome Democrat Gov. He was elected right before Covid and he saved so many lives!! He is a Christian too a man of faith and He saved lives!! God did protect us then. My parents did listen to him and sadly my dad did die before a vaccine. He was older and sick already. But my mom and all of us vaccinated. Still it hurts and it isn't funny. Thank You.
@bethprather9241 So sorry to hear about your dad. 😪Some of your family can be reached. Republican Voters Against Trump which includes many Christians is proof of that. Share their stories with your family.
Brah , trading one flavor of cool aid for the other is still drinking the cool aid
@@hgservices5572read the room. There's a time and place for your inane rants, and this ain't it.
A Trump supporter has no room to talk about other people's choice of beverage.
Beth, I'm very sorry for your loss.
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Don't assume that dissertations don't have impact. Reading random dissertations that happen to have been left sitting out on tables in my Seminary's library changed my life, faith, theology, and ministry for the better. And I've passed on the blessing. Others have benefitted from the things I learned by reading those dissertations.
You referred several times to churches that left, threw out, or got rid of the inerrancy of scripture. That's backwards. The inerrancy of scripture wasn't even a thing until a century and a half ago, and even then basically just within Protestantism in the U.S. So, it wasn't that some churches dropped that belief, but rather that some added it!
Interesting thing about joining a church is they want to run your life for you. This became clear to me when the deacon admonished me for letting my daughter play soccer. According to the church, girl who play soccer are more likely to become lesbians. Our family tried different churches and they were all the same. Admonishing my wife for working on Sundays. Criticizing us as parents. Telling us who the enemies are every single Sunday or the church was just all about the benjamins. Hard pass on the church.
So I'm listening to this with my kids in the room, and now I have to pause it and jump over to Curiously Kaitlyn cuz my kids are all like "what do you mean Jesus went to hell?!?!"
@39:10 Bring back the old vices!
Alan Dershowitz ( The constitutional legal scholar of our times) details in his book “ Get Trump” what is happening in new york
Dershowitz is no Trump supporter but understands what is happening in New York starting with AG running their campaign on “getting Trump”.
They searched for a crime ( in itself is just wrong, we shouldn’t be searching for crimes to pin on people based on who they are) and couldn’t find one , so they dropped it , until they received pressure from former colleges in New York to search harder!
Wow , they REALLY don’t want me to detail this case . Strange !! I’ve made multiple attempts and they are removed quickly
#Israeli military rescues 4 hostages; more than 200 Palestinians #killed, Gaza health officials say (NBC News | 2024.06.08)
In a statement, #DOCTORS WITHOUT BORDERS called the situation at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital “a nightmare.”The organization said its physicians were at Al-Aqsa Martyrs Hospital and Nasser Hospital “to treat an overwhelming number of severely injured patients, many of whom are #women and #children.”
Kaitlyn's reaction to Skye's statement that he'd never attended an institution with mandatory chapel could make another hilarious GIF.
I still use APA even when I'm writing out my sermons.
Since I started commuting to my Christian college after the first few semesters, I would often be exempt from chapel completely because my classes were not on chapel days. 🤣
I didn’t like Kaitlyn’s mini swipe about other churches and adherence to Scripture. Please talk to Amy Peeler, Scot McKnight, and especially Beth Moore (because of her journey) and ask THEM about the importance of studying the Gospel CAREFULLY. I was saddened listening to your comments in that segment.
Or...teach your kids to turn off or put away their phone when they get home. Helps them develop the personal control to put it away when it gets too crazy online
But then where would they get their left wing propaganda for the day?
@@hgservices5572lol your media diet is nothing but right wing propaganda.
@@hgservices5572 I guess nobody loved you enough to teach you to turn off or put away your phone when you get home. So you never developed the personal control to put it away when it gets too crazy online.
Why are people acting like Christian Extremism just started it’s always been here
Yeah just a bunch of Christian nationalists running round burning things down🙄 . Left wing boogy men arent even believable as right wing boogeymen
@@hgservices5572 Precisely what did you do to make the country better today?
If I thought you were someone I ought to answer to as a little hen mother I’d tell you exactly what I do everyday towards those ends , but because I don’t , just know I’m not lying when I say it’s FAR more than the average Joe
@@hgservices5572it would be better to do nothing than to actively make this country worse.
Average then turn from your wicked doctrines and quit coddling unholy lifestyles
Thank God for some sanity. I am not an American (of any sort) but I have a son married to an America; and three grandsons so I have skin in the life of America. I have been a Presbyterian minister ( in US WE ARE DESIGNATED PASTERS,) I also worked with Campus Crusade for Christ in the Uk so have had many, many American friends. I despair often when I witness American trends, because I know we will endorse and copy you guys. Living in Ireland we have had and continue to have our problems so I speak outside any ivory tower. I despair when I see anything to do with Trump and wonder why President Biden has not been allowed to retire. As a retired minister I have no ageism and believe we can learn a lot from the wisdom gained through experience. If the Holy Spirit draws people to God through Christ and if God respects our freedom to optin or oust of the kwingdom when do so mayor our churches currently want to exclude so many through the process of purity in doctrine? I enjoy your attempt at being open to the leading of God and acknowledging that,I’ve is messy.
The megachurch in Cincinnati, "Crossroads," is NOT Southern Baptist. 😁
They don't need be to be influenced by. Much of Christian materials and books go through SBC publishers, I have heard. If true that gives them influence over other denominations.
While a good youth group can definitely be amazing, in my experience they can be hard to find. Don't underestimate the harm of a toxic youth group. Some of the worst bullying and exclusion I ever experienced was in youth groups. Youth group can feel incredibly isolating because the knowledge that you're supposed to be welcomed juxtaposed with the reality of exclusion intensifies the pain. You wonder what's so repulsive about you that even Christian kids don't want you around and youth leaders ignore bullying or actively deny its happening.
We moved churches a number of times as a kid trying to find a place were my special needs siblings wouldn't be viewed as disruptive, and I only found inclusion in one small church plant that didn't even have enough teens for a youth group until my family joined. The church is often part of the problem.
THIS. My adult children said the same about their youth group. Parents need to ACTIVELY model inclusionary practices in their words and deeds. You cannot underestimate peer culture!
Vaping, CBD gummies and THC... the new preferred choice of the new generation.
As for which generation had it harder, I think every generation has its unique challenges. I think we forget about all the things that happened when we were growing up. I grew up in the 60's and 70's. Drugs and friends ODing was sadly common. Racial issues, civil unrest, wars... President assassinated. MLK jr assassinated. Bobby Kennedy assassinated. Fear of nuclear war. Our church youth group and our church was a safe haven.
Exodus 21:16 is explicit in Gods stance against steeling a man and selling him into servitude.
Not exactly. It condemns the practice for the Hebrew people but not against buying slaves attained this way from another. The Bible does not see anything wrong with slavery. Other book of the Bible are absolutely Ok with the kidnapping of people to be used in servitude. If the Bible has the authority of god behind it then God is fine with all forms of slavery as debt slave or indentured servant, chattel slavery, sex slave are all detailed in the Bible and have rules but no condemnation. The only saving grace the Bible has to defend itself against slavery is that it does not command all people or even just all Hebrew people to own slaves. It is therefore optional.
@ Christopher M - what they did TO him? Unfortunately I cannot expound much on that as they remove the detailed comments - currently I have to comment to you from the main thread as they have also removed my ability to comment directly on the threads the selves 🤷♂️
You should really contact UA-cam for help with not being able to reply to comments. Assuming of course that this is actually an issue and that you're being honest with us. Based on available evidence, I have my doubts.
Interview segment starts at 50:45
@41:15 TULIP lives!
Did that study include smoking pot or just cigarettes?
Yeah Phil! The 2000- 2010 my kids grew up in .. Yes at a S Baptist Church... For 2 of my kids , the church camps where , life changers. .. The youth groups.. Yeah! The cell phone in a lot of data comes up. But remember and please 50/ 50.. that you are using a smart device now and there are a lot of people moving and loving God and believing truth. Share too many are really searching for truth.. It is the best!
Well... I was part of a youth group and I was on the fringes because I was fat. I was not protected by the love of Christ in my youth because kids can be jerks, whether that's at school or even in Christian social circles. Same with church camp. I thought it was me, that I wasn't "cut out" for camping, but now realize it is just that I couldn't make a friend to save my life. (I had no issues at school or work or other areas of my life.)
@@greytgreytx same here
@@greytgreytx youth group was NOT a safe haven for me and at that point I walked away from church till I got in college and had to stand up to a feminist professor and and another liberal who couldn't do math but would try to argue with me that babies don't exist in the womb due to their microscopic size being so irrelevant. Then I found my faith again.
@@1001thhill Words mean things. Different words mean different things. And just because you're not smart enough to understand the differences between a zygote, an embryo, a fetus, and a baby doesn't mean they're all the same thing.
@@1001thhillhow would you suggest we go about reducing the number of abortions in America?
@ Christopher M - I can however direct you to Alan Dershowitz “ the Dershow” for details. He is one of the top constitutional scholars of our time and NOT a Trump fan . He details all cases on their merits and the totality of it is disgraceful
Lol
Hooray for Kaitlyn being back!!
Ha ha. I listened to about 3 minutes of last week's show and had to stop. It was too many dudes! :D I'm glad she's back, too!
Yeah, my church is sbc. I was warned to think very carefully about signing up with their mission board since I am female and single, they probably wouldn't consider me for things that I wanted to do on mission
Historically the church in America has made exceptions for the mission field. My grandparents were missionaries to Venezuela from 1925-1970 and I have seen many photos of my grandmother teaching classes that included men, but maybe if they called it teaching it was okay and if they called it preaching it wasn’t?
I attend a SBC affiliated church and we never talk about what happens at the convention itself. My church staff, pastors and non-pastors alike, have different options on things like women’s role in the church, how old the earth is, etc; and we get along great because we know the point isn’t whose theology is most correct but rather are we loving God, loving others and living with a purpose!
That’s not going to be good enough for the left wing extreme oats I’m afraid . Give the socialists Marxists an inch and they want a mile
@@hgservices5572lol for all practical purposes there is no socialist or Marxist movement in America today.
@@hgservices5572 Which socialists or Marxists are you talking about? The ones who only exist within your paranoid psychotic imagination?
I loved the interview with Elizabeth! It was wonderful!
I liked Elizabeth’s line, “I wrote it for you and I wrote it for me…Our silence and our enabling only makes radicalization easier for vulnerable.”
As a member of Crossroads Community Church in Cincinnati, Ohio, we are not Southern Baptist. Where in the world, Skye, did you come up with thinking we were?
It's a joke about how some SBC churches try to come up with "cool"-sounding names and just don't mention the affiliation because they know it will turn some people away.
I’m sure if these left wingers get a sniff of traditional Bible believing ideology they have something negative to say in order to pollute in any way the pool with left wing ideology . The goal is to push the traditional evangelical voter base to leftism , they covet that demographic and it annoys them that they have traditionally voted republican over the years.
@@hgservices5572lol it was just a joke. Triggered much?
@@hgservices5572how did the Republican party get the evangelical vote in the first place?
@@hgservices5572 You're a hateful bigot. And you'd be a hateful bigot regardless of whether the Bible even existed. So don't pretend your hatefulness and bigotry started with the Bible, no matter how desperately you try to cloak them with it.
In the 70's, the drinking age in a lot of states was 18. Wyoming was the last holdout, and it had everything to do with highway funding, not health or morality. I could buy cigarettes in high school in the 80's. You have to be 21 in my state to buy them now (not sure if that's nationwide or just local) Also in the 70's, it seemed like everyone smoked (my dad and most of his friends did), and there was no such thing as a smoking section or non-smoking spaces. Almost none of my friends, both church going and not, smoke. I don't know if church really had that much impact vs laws and societal changes because of cancer risks, the surgeon general warnings, insurance companies and govt cracking down, etc.
The law changes about not smoking indoors, in public facilities was Huge and that did stop a lot of smokers. Also people that smoked by there late 60s all developed lung cancer. Many friends or family members died. So I don't know that much about vaping. I will say that I am 57 and grew up in Central Ky., Burley Tobacco farming everywhere. Even though smoking wasn't at any church I went too.. A few would smoke outside maybe?? BUT THEY ALL FARMED IT. MY dad always stated," The preachers won't preach against tobacco here, because tobacco money is in the offering plate! Lol
Yeah but did the study include smoking pot? The whole city stinks like pot everywhere you go and every hotel and when pulled up at a stop light
I remember going to one of my first youth group events back in 10th grade. 1996. It was an odd night. We watched a silly video with a cucumber singing about a water Buffalo. Good times though.
Those were good times when veggie tales 1st came out. Unfortunately later in later I would never have expected the creator and voice talent to be a leftie with trump derangement syndrome SMH 😒
@@1001thhilllol he's not a leftist.
@@1001thhillalso, if your leader has so many people that oppose him that it requires a specific label, you're probably in a cult.
skye really needs to turn off auto focus 😂
- Hillary Clinton, recently, made comment towards direct re-education of the called and so-called indoctrinated
I believe they were also once called gulags
@@hgservices5572the Soviet Union was bad for the same reason that MAGA is bad: authoritarianism. It always goes badly. It's like sin. It can't be bargained or negotiated with. It can't be controlled. It will ruin whatever it comes into contact with.
@@hgservices5572 No one can re-educate you. Because you weren't educated in the first place.
Got a link to proof that isn't a right wing source?
@@JohnThomas-ut3go - watched a clip of her (Hillary Clinton) recently saying such as towards my comment
Paul says that Women can cover their heads with their beautiful hair.
That’s going to be too bible based for this left wing group here I’m afraid
@@hgservices5572lol I know more about the Bible than you do. It helps that I didn't stop learning past elementary school.
@@hgservices5572 What part of the Bible told you to be an authoritarian control freak trying to dictate how other people live? It's always people like you, with the least self-control over their own behavior, who most want to control other people's behavior.
@ average , that statement alone proves otherwise .
@@hgservices5572 What part of the Bible told you to be an authoritarian control freak trying to dictate how other people live?
I put a lot more stock in the Nicene creed than the baltist faith and message.
Yeah, well you also put a lot of stock in Rush Limbaugh, so I can't put any stock in your stock.
If by that you mean Baptist, then we're in what seems to be a rare agreement.
I was raised Southern Baptist jn Ky.. I do go to a Christian Church now or identify more with the nondenominational Christian church in. Central Ky. But love Beth Moore Studies and many people. All churches in the southern Baptist denomination don't really know all this or focus on it. BUT I absoltulety knew truth about how sad it was with the major Trump stuff. My family are very active in the S Baptist church. So I actually was extremely shocked when the entire Rep/ S Baptist / conservative issue all started. I NEVER thought of that in fact my town is very Republican but I had forgot all about the politics they do have. Still I taught public school and am reading Kaitlyn's book but I came to a realization that I'm apparently a very separation of Church and State person. I do live in the Bible Belt and take up all the time for all the crazy blast .. as in, " When they took prayer out of school and the pledge of allegiance
. Oh my!! The worse and my biggest one I love to reply to is one that says, " When they took God out of School." I always say ," Who? Who or who can take God out of school. " Many Christian students and absolutely preachers pray all day.. in their head, bath room, all the time before school. Kids can talk about it. ,No,I don't and can't ever preach a big sermon. But God is in Control. Sadly, it is true about the Southern Baptist stuff that Russell Moore's book and Beth Moore's book stated. But I never remember politics preached in church
The Trump years I just listened to only the preachers, and still do I trust that really lnow God. They were all put thru incredible yuk on some of the major moving churches to pick sides. It was sad and awful. Truth was finally spoken after the Jan 6, 2021
What was stated was so strong I about fell down. I will just post as stated .. And sadly I thought.. Idk if they got that.??. I knew it was true and really Bibically sound.
My sister was in charge of the Children's Ministry's for years in her church in North Charleston ,SC. Yes we all believe or know that a man is the main Pastor of a Church. But her husband passed away and she now is remarried and goes and works for a large mega Sou there Baptist Church in Louisville, Ky.. I live closer to Lexington. She told me before all this started that in Louisville, they didn't allow women to be in charge of ministries ..Surprise to me !! The largest Ky Churches are Southland Christian jn Lexington and SE on Louisville
. And they are both growing in attended and many have been saved , more growth in ever for both!! Praise God..
OH, I HAVE NO IDEa OR EVER READ THE S. BAPTIST CONSTITUTIIon EITHER... BUT I DO KNOW THE BASIC BELIEFS .. ABSOLUTELY
Last post...Love all if you. .Skye , I bought your book too, but I do know a Crossroads Christian Church and just Crossroad Church..lol
Beth Moore needs grace and needs Christ.
@@patrickc3419so do you. So does everyone. What's your point?
By the time you get your head out of the sand you’ll have all the answers
- does Josef Stalin want to make another nest without even directly being here at this present time (?) Be careful to how ye hear
I was so excited when I found out I didn't have to go to chapel because I was a commuter student 😅
I’m glad Elizabeth talked about black and white thinking. I see the direct lines to groups 1 & 2 she describes in the bonus interview. This content is so critical.
13:10 Kaitlyn's series of expressions here is gold 😂
My Church is called "Crossroads" and we do in fact have a woman teaching Pastor.
Lol
I like that project 2025 is going to be a thing . The funny part ? When right wingers begin to do what left wingers have always done it’s suddenly dystopian 🙄
What left wingers have always done? The Republican party has been pulling from the Nazi playbook for decades. Project 2025 is just the newest extension of that.
Please tell me more about when the leftists pushed for more autocratic control in the executive branch. I'll wait.
hgservices5572 You mean what the left wingers who only exist within your paranoid psychotic imagination have always done. And you're following the Fascist's Golden Rule: Do unto others as you fear they want to do unto you.
I'm still waiting to be shown how leftists have been trying to increase autocratic control in our executive branch of government.
Should we not call it "Religious extremism?" I am of the opinion that if someone is truly of Christ, they would avoid throwing in their lot with a worldly figure.
Well, it *is* a religious extremism. That doesn't mean it's actual Christianity.
@@greytgreytx agreed, several times I thought I heard them say “Christian extremism” as though Christ ones can be radicalized. But when we read Jesus there is no such radicalization. Not even Paul ever called for it. So therefore this “extremism” must be called another sect entirely.
What is worldly ?
@@hgservices5572 Both candidates mentioned in this clip in my opinion are "worldly" in their own ways. Worldly meaning concerned greatly with matters common to the world as opposed to Jesus and His Kingdom which is not of this world. They represent 2 opposing views of American Freedom and Prosperity. If those of one view do not see their candidate win and resort to civil upheaval and disturbance, they do so not for Christian reasons, because the Gospel has no opinion on who should be president, I dare say neither does Christ, and neither should Christ ones have no justification in the Gospels or NT Writers to create civil destruction if a preferred candidate does not win.
Christ is primarily concerned for those who seek Him. Whoever is elected president is a matter of this world in this time.
🤔 Naturally. Being president is a job. The speaker of the house is Christian, but his job for the public is to be speaker, not pastor.
When I work for others, they hire me to perform “worldly” duties and buy “worldly” things . We are in the world but not of the world. Seeking first the kingdom is essential , but one could also go extreme and say that doing the dishes isn’t spiritual enough so just leave them in neglect.
Why think of voting , or public service in any other way as doing “worldly” duties that ought to be performed ?
At what point would who is president “matter”? When the platform is to start throwing Christians in jail ? Would voting against that be in order or still no? Just sit on the sidelines and say thy will be done. I tried to get a job that way once, someone told me I had to actually go out in an application.
Thou shalt not #kill. (Exodus 20:13) / Thou shalt not [be complicit in #genocide].
More than 14,500 #children killed in #Gaza. The latest #death toll stands at 35,287 #Palestinians and 1,139 people killed in #Israel since October 7. (2024.05.07)
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So IVF’s are bad now Southern Baptist, so what’s the difference between Christian Evangelicals and Sharia Law
OT laws are probably identical to Sharia Law. Where do you think they got it from?
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Repent and believe the Gospel.
@@patrickc3419 🤣🤣🤣 tell your god to send someone who isn't a clown
@@patrickc3419who's version? All interpretations of the scriptures are interpretation and negotiations of the text. No one reads it as written nor in the cultural context it was written in.
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Repent and believe the Gospel sir.
You do know that God exists; whether you believe that or not is irrelevant, as truth isn’t based on what you believe. You have a heart filled with sin, insanity, and hatred. I am very familiar with you, as well as your open hatred of Christianity, of white people, and of the police.
Again; Repent and believe the Gospel.
And Happy Noahic Covenant Month.
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1976 was the nation gone wild since pulling the Bible from public schools in the 50s.
"Free Love", doctors were the drug pushers, divorce skyrocketed, national debt was thing now, the start of the modern day serial killers.
It's definitely worse today, with even more problems to add to the list.
Wisdom is more important than anything being taught in school.
It used to be taught in school and we didn't have all these problems.
What good did having the Bible in public school do if it couldn't prevent segregation? Racism? Sexism? Xenophobia?
I guess problems aren't real unless they affect white Christian men though.
Also, if you care about the national debt, stop voting for Republicans that pass tax cuts for the rich. That's the main contributor to it.
We had tons of problems. We had a civil war, we had racism, we had slavery. Also lynchings in the south (after church, mind you), Jim Crow, Supreme court judgements saying a black person was 3/5ths human, no social safety net for the poor or seniors, no awareness of child abuse, marital rape, women and blacks not being able to vote, have rights to property or ability to divorce an abusive or cheating husband. Reading Dickens is a good reminder of all the social ills during the most moralizing era of all - the Victorian era. There were tons of problems because humanity is fallen. Teaching morals does not change society. Learning to follow Jesus does - and that means relationship with him and humility.
Do you really think that people were happily married back in the day when wives could be raped by their husbands and they couldn't have their own bank accounts?
Divorce is never ideal, but sometimes it's the least bad option. It's better than a lifetime of abuse.
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Show me in the Bible where it says to do anything you have mentioned.
@13:10 But you can have a woman pastor and call the position a WASTOR
18:05> That's when you get out your Bible & see what God has to say about the subject. Idkh anyone can deny God says only men can pastor churches. I know- Lydia hosted church in her home. Hosted & shepherding a church are 2 diff things. Women can have all kinds of leadership positions- just not as lead Pastor of the church.
You are welcome to your opinion but then I dont want to hear a word about abortion policy or the place of women in society. A morality that doesnt recognize the complete 100% equality of women in ALL areas should have no place in our national politics
For those of us in the know: Neumann left the Trump organization for completely different reasons than she presented here. It's amazing how dishonest she and her book are.
Why did she leave?
Who exactly is "us," and how exactly are all of you "in the know"? What makes you or any other random Internet commenter and authority on this subject, or any other?
@@cabal3747 random? keep trying.
@@MarkDouglass-dt9ky I don't have to. You're the one who's making the assertion, and not even trying to back it up. It may or may not be true, but it's just a random internet comment from a random internet commenter unless you put the effort into demonstrating who you are and why anyone should believe you.
@@MarkDouglass-dt9kywhy did she leave?
“Ovaries” are evil….😂 Brilliant!
Thank you for this important post. I haven't finished the whole post yet. I'm at 21 minutes, but I will finish it as time allows. First, about the ordination of women. You're correct in the observation that the Bible isn't very clear itself. So, having both in the New and Old testaments individuals all the way to the leadership needs to decide for themselves first. Afterwards send in yours and let the aperratus of your association work. Next is the nicean creed, it's good in and of itself, but it's NOT 100% Biblical. So, you have to decide what scripture says and then whether or not it's important enough to make a difference and what to do about it. Finally is inerrancey and infallibility of the Bible. However you believe is it important enough to go to bat for it.
Holy post= believing the Bible =extreme
Practicing Christianity= radical
Hundreds of years ago "practicing Christianity" included slavery. Are you sure you're practicing Christianity properly today?
Your God is fake. 100% phony. A fraud. I know this because, if your God had any actual might or authority of His own, then you wouldn't be seeking to take control of our government to use its authority to enforce your God's laws through its might.
Have to do a new thread to say this for some reason 🤷♂️ all that being said about fascism .
What they are doing to 45 is more Stalin than Mussolini . What did his men say? Show me the man and I’ll show you the crime ?
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@@hgservices5572so all of the talk about Joe and Hunter Biden is purely apolitical then? The House GOP hasn't spent nearly two years investigating them and trying to find something to charge them with?
The absolute best case that you can make is that both sides do it. You can't act like your side is innocent. They're not.
I'm not a Democrat. Whatever evidence there is in support of crimes committed by anyone should come out in congressional and/or court proceedings, along with proper sentencing upon conviction.
@hgservices5572 what they did TO him? Expand on that. What do you mean?
@@christopherm6725 charged him with crime after he *checks notes* committed crime.
@@averageuser4367 bingo. 😂 no one forced him to defame, commit fraud, incite violence and grossly mishandle documents. He did that all on his own.
In 1976 it was seen as cool to smoke or drink, so they lied up. Now they are lamer than other things, so they lie down.
Yeah meth , fentanyl and pot are everywhere
@@hgservices5572who is to blame for fentanyl? I'll give you a hint: it's not foreign migrants or refugees.
The called will discover through study that unholy lifestyles are not to be coddled or protected using the shield of sin with the facade of kindness . House demons will call proclaiming truth fascism because their hearts are darkened and their eyes blinded as those who listed after the angels in sodom
Yes, your sin is being prideful, haughty, hypocritical, and hateful shouldn't be coddled.
I don't call truth fascism. I call fascism fascism.
You're the one who is committing the sin of Sodom. You would know that if you bothered to actually learn what the Bible has to say instead of assuming that everything you learned as a child in Sunday School is true without error.
@hgservices5572 I've asked you repeatedly what you learned about sex, sexual orientation, gender, and marriage during your "deep dive" and you've yet to actually share anything of substance.
@hgservices5572 if you talk like a fascist then I'll treat you like one. If you don't want me to do that, then stop.
For a Christian podcast, you guys sure do love to criticize Christianity
"Christianity" encompasses a lot of disparate views; the challenges you're hearing are of particular views, not of Christianity.
"What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. Expel the wicked person from among YOU" - 1 Corinthians 5: 12+13
to hold believers to account was the reason they began this podcast. sometimes that does sound critical. their hearts are first for Christ and then for the health of the church.
@@karen1blaine2I understand holding other Christian’s accountable but you should also be willing to hold others accountable too, with love of course. The thing is the Holy Post never really does that.
@@lerrato6027who should they hold accountable that they don't?
How are kids supposed to look at something hateful like the SBC or the Catholic church and recognize them as a good organization? I think they should choose the vapes 😬
Seems rather hateful to be calling them hateful
@@hgservices5572look up the Paradox of Tolerance. You may just learn something.
@@hgservices5572 I think you know what I'm talking about
@@hgservices5572 Do you think that other people should tolerate your religious beliefs when your religious beliefs are intolerant of other people?
Christ is the head of the church and Christ chose women.
My church is named crossroads, 😂 but definitely not southern baptist, we have female pastors.
There is no such thing as a female pastor. They don’t exist.
@@patrickc3419female apostles and prophets existed in the early church, yet you think the line was drawn at pastors? Interesting take you have there.
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Again, there are no such thing as women pastors. They do not exist. Any church which has a woman pastor is not a church nor has a pastor. They have a rebellious feminist who hates God.
See 1 Timothy 2:11-12 and Titus 1.
There has never existed a female apostle, nor are there modern apostles, as an apostle had to be a 1.)firsthand witness of Christ, and 2.) specifically been sent out by Him. There have been a total of 13 apostles in human history.
That’s all I am going to respond to you.
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Again, there is not such thing as a female pastor. They do not exist. See 1 Timothy 2, as well as Titus 1. Nor has there ever existed a female apostle. An apostle 1.) Had to be a firsthand witness of Christ. 2.) Been personally sent out by Him.
There are no modern day Apostles, there are no women pastors. Any church which has a woman pastor is not a church nor do they have a pastor.
That is all I will be responding to you.
Repent and believe the Gospel (and Happy Noahic Covenant Month).
@@patrickc3419do you really think that the people who disagree with you aren't familiar with 1 Timothy or Titus? Do you really think that there is no reasonable way that people could disagree with you?
Yes, there was likely at least one female apostle: Junia.
My friend also attended a Baptist church that I believe was involved with the sbc. They refused to allow women pastors which was something she felt deeply called for. I don't have hard evidence, but I believe that rejection from the people who were supposed to walk with her and raise her up helped contribute to why she claims to be gender neutral now.
@average apparently too sensitive of a subject and had to start a new thread?🤷♂️
Regarding fascism ala Mussolini? This is the traditional definition of fascism that I am more familiar.
Regarding 45, we have data on how he governs.
46 I would argue along with the administrative state has brought America into more fascism than previously known and has been more of a threat to democracy than orange man ever was .
What governments did locally with the jab was pretty fascist.
What the administrative state does with our defacto town halls is pretty fascist ( Facebook twitter YT)
What the Biden admin and the AGs are doing to 45 in court is pretty fascist
What they are doing to 45 is perhaps more Stalin than Mussolini . What did his men say?show me the man and I’ll show you the crime ?
And then there is what they are doing In the courts with 45….. that’s more Stalin perhaps than Mussolini
The pseudo biblical books of 1, 2 Timothy and Titus were adopted at the time of the First Council of Nicaea which is when the European church chose patriarchy over God's word. What we have today really got locked in with the reformation. Before then, women in many places were still active in the church as pastors and other positions.
All true. The pastoral epistles and some other books probably shouldn't be in the Bible, since they were basically fanfics written by people who didn't personally know Jesus or the Apostles. Take Revelations: it was written by John of Patmos, not the Apostle, and was written long after Jesus' death. We can thank Athanasius, who insisted on including it into the canon, even though everyone else at the time wanted it out. He was suspected of killing his rivals to ensure that it was included, which may be why others capitulated. IMO, there's no reason to keep this stuff in canon if we know it isn't authentic, just for the sake of tradition.
Preposterous.
Repent and believe the Gospel, sir.