@@duckgossip reprints prevents speculators trying to hoard cards. I remember some people trying to do that when monster reborn and chaos sorcerer got.unbanned back in 5ds era
The easiest way ive explained pot of greed to my friends is just saying “there is literally no reason to not have the card in your deck if it isnt banned”
Well, there is one reason. "It makes my deck too strong so I can't play with my friends". That's a pretty good reason not to have the card in your deck.
I mean those are the combos players can make with 5 cards in their starting hand. Now imagine the madness 6 cards in the starting hand would cause, because that is basically what pot of greed does: let you start the game with 6 cards instead of 5.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 It also effectively shrinks your deck since it's also a card in your deck. Imagine if you could just choose one to three cards in your deck to get the bonus effect "When you draw this card, draw 1 card" and doing so let you put one to three less cards in your deck. That's basically Pot of Greed.
Yeah, there were a few tournaments that unbanned it, and while a lot of people used it, it wasn't that good. Pot of Greed used to be overpowered because old school Yu-Gi-Oh was not a very good game (which is fine, because it facilitated some of the greatest "this works because I said so" moments in card games) so it felt like actually playing a dramatic and high paced game like we wanted from the manga/anime. Duelists were at the mercy of having specific counters to specific things, so the emotional vibe of duels was more a measure of "did someone predict me personally and pick that one counter card" rather than "has my opponent built the superior competitive deck than me". And having pot be so thematically simple and easy to slot in that anyone and everyone would use it, it just made the game better for everyone. Now pot of greed isn't overpowered because modern Yu-Gi-Oh isn't a very good game (which is fine, because there's inherent value in the spectacle of turns that take literally 5min and the duelist isn't doing anything but chaining card effects) but now it is definitely a dramatic and high paced game, faster than all of its peers (MtG, Hearthstone, PokemonTCG, etc). Duelists are at the mercy of their opponents draws because every deck has so many tools and is flexible, so the emotional vibe of duels is more "the human element is completely logical and mostly equal, let us see if we like or dislike how the game performs" rather than "this is a battle of wills and expression between me and someone and we are letting the hands of the draw determine who is more righteous." And having pot of greed be so flexible means so many less competitive decks can win through random chance, so the more people use it the worse the game is for everyone. The way to fix pot of greed is to make it a player ability that can be triggered once per battle during your 1st main phase.
I activate Reborn the Monster. It allows me to summon Pot of Greed from your graveyard, which allows me to draw two cards. I then sacrifice Pot of greed to summon Pot of Greed, which allows me to draw 2 cards. From my graveyard, I activate the effect of Pot of Greed, allowing be to draw two cards, then special summoning Pot of Greed from my graveyard, allowing me to draw 2 cards. Next, I XYZ summon Pot of Greed, using Pot of Greed and Pot of Greed as materials, allowing me to draw two cards. I then detach Pot of Greed from Pot of Greed, allowing me to draw 2 cards. I activate the effect of Pot of Greed from the graveyard, allowing me to draw 2 cards and special summoning Pot of Greed from the graveyard, allowing me to draw 2 cards. I activate the effect of Pot of Greed, attaching my Pot of Greed to it as XYZ material, and allowing me to draw two cards.
Isn't that 90% of decks anyways? People are busting out a third of their extra deck their opening turn. Then they have so many negates on the field it's like what's the point? Anything you bring out is going to be destroyed anyways.
I used to play Pokémon card game as a young kid. I was good. Got 2nd in a tournament once. I used rain dance deck. Anyway… Pot of gold is literally the same card as bill in Pokémon. I abused that card as a kid lol
@@Justdont693 Pokemon is not yugioh. The biggest difference is the fact that you can chain combos. I would argue that having multiple effects that let you search your deck for specific cards is better than draw 2 random cards. But people are chaining so many draw/search effects that they get +20 first turn and summon half the extra deck. In that situation, +2 random cards doesn't matter because you just got +20 targeted cards that let you dominate the field. That's equal to using 10 pots of greed but with a stacked deck and each pot lets you special summon.
@@Anzeth_Zeon this exactly. They fill the field with monsters cause one of them lets them straight up look into the deck. And that somehow is more balanced than pot of greed.
@@Anzeth_Zeon Drawing 2 cards with 1 card generically is vastly superior to searching for 1 card that fits a bunch of restrictions with 1 card. Especially if your deck ALSO contains those searchers. Mathematically, a 43 card deck with 3 copies of Pot of Greed is more consistent than just playing the exact same 40 with no Pot of Greed. If it is allowed to be played, your deck is guaranteed to be worse for not including it, no matter what. And that will ALWAYS be true, until the point where the norm is already 60 card decks that ALL chain together while going +1 or better into a single combo turn 1, no matter what your opening hand is. If your deck is running less than 60 cards, it will always be mathematically superior to add copies of Pot of Greed to it. And if your deck IS running 60 cards, it'd be better to replace some of them with Pot of Greed. Until the game gets to the point where every deck runs 60 cards that ALL search for each other, with MOST of them also going positive on card advantage on top of that, Pot of Greed cannot be taken off the banlist.
Way back in early Yu-Gi-Oh there was no better feeling than using pot of greed and drawing one or both of the other ones in your deck so you could rip through your deck like lightning
allure remains one of my favorite cards of all time because of its subtle but focused design. by making the banish an if then effect instead of a cost to activate, not only are you in literal terms being allured by darkness to send one of your cards to banishment in exchange for more cards, functionally sacrificing a monster for power, you can also initiate a blind allure. the artwork alludes to this concept. sure you have no darks in hand, but look at how tantalizing the top of that deck is. look how easy it would be to simply pick that top card up. maybe itll even be a dark monster. that top card is literally calling to you with a dark aura in the art. also, setting all spells and traps in hand to empty it as much as possible before slamming down a blind allure is one of the most hype moments that can happen in a game of yugioh. love that thing so much
Graceful Charity has been the “more busted” card since its release in the OCG (where Sangan and WotBF activated on discard, too). As for the TCG, while it was always busted, it was by far the superior draw card starting with Invasion of Chaos to pitch fodder for BLS or CED.
@@DexLeroy Grave effects were just the best way for Yugioh to make weak cards into two weak cards instead of 1 and thus viable. Keeping the game going longer without spiking the power of turns directly.
@@saviorselfX29 As a chaos player since the start I have to agree that graceful has always been the better card. Not only do you get to choose cards to keep but you get 3 options added before you discard. Digging 3 down and grabbing up to all 3 cards by discarding ones you already had that you no longer need is just insane. Let alone the chaos monsters getting playable turn 1 off of a draw card. I really wish there was a chaos version of graceful. Something like "reveal X monster or search from deck" to do the graceful effect. Not sure on the specifics to avoid it being generic but chaos has never been as easy to play turn 1 as when graceful existed. Things like grass and reasoning and such just aren't the same. Allure is great of course but that's more like a pot of greed.
Essentially, it boils down to Pot of Greed is a card that will universally be useful, maybe not game breaking. While other cards may be individually more powerful or meta defining, none of them could be used in every deck through every format.
The feeling of playing Graceful Charity and you draw Monster Reborn + high level monster and sending it to the graveyard to summon it tribute-free is unmatched
I once used Apprentice Dark Magician to play Dark Magician to special summon Dark Eradicator Warlock, then used a spell card to win the game. That was a rush.
I'm having flashbacks to a yu-gi-oh GBA game, like old school play. Grandpa was so annoying to play because his focus was using the Exodia win condition. He had like 3 copies of Exodia, 3 Pots of Greed, I think he had graceful charity and a few other draw cards. Sometimes RNG was just not on your side. This was also when Yu-Gi-Oh actually lasted a few turns and search spells weren't common yet.
@TheOneAndOnlyP6 Why is it essentially 4 cards? because they'll negate it? Because all that means is that it wasted one of their negates, so at worse it's an imperm, removing one of their negates they built up.
As someone who plays both magic the gathering and yugioh (magic being my paper game and yugioh i play on master duel), pot of greed reminds me a lot of the "companion" mechanic from magic. For those who don't know, the companion mechanic basically allowed you to start with an extra card in your starting hand for no cost other than a light deck build restriction. Each pot of greed basically lowered your deck size by 3 cards per pot, which would make yugioh, already known for its ridiculously fast otk combo gameplay become even faster and more consistent
I played in 2002-2004, and Pot of Greed was a great card. Maneater Bug. So many good cool cards. This was such a fun time in my childhood. Being in 7th-8th grade and playing against classmates and friends after class was over or study hall. Yu-gi-oh, Pokémon, DBZ, & Air Bender will always be my top animes.
Dzeeff in 2034: Why nobody plays Pot of Greed. "You see, drawing random cards simply isn't that good. What you want are cards that search and add from your binder."
Pot of Greed, even then, would still be good. Because it thins your deck, gets you to those cards faster, gives card advantage, and can potentially force your opponent to respond, wasting a counterplay that could have been used against a combo piece.
Unless the game gets to a point where EVERY card just is 2 different cards, it's not possible for Pot of Greed to be anything less than an auto-include. A 43 card deck with 3 Pot of Greed is mathematically superior to the same 40 with 0 Pot of Greed. That's just how math works. Until the game becomes a turn 0 format with no possible counterplay, Pot of Greed is an auto-include if it's legal, making your deck actively worse for not including it. And at that point, the game is very literally not playable. As in, it can't be played, don't bother, neither player gets a turn.
And even if it gets negated, you don't really get punished. Unless it's a negate with legs or something, the opponent has to expend a resource or resources to stop it. At worst you go 1 for 1 if it's stopped by Ash Blossom.
@@parkercrossland410 It would be just as good in any other similar game. It just turns one card into two. That's always good unless it's bad to have more cards in the game.
@@Carlet_S Welcome back to another episode of Yugiboomer Roulette! In this series I will be spinning a wheel to see what old banned card or old terrible card doesn't see play or can't come back
I know this is just a joke comment and I shouldn't reply but these videos need to get around 2/3x the views of a duel video to get anywhere close to the ad rev on those lol
One thing you missed here is that Pot of Greed also puts the opponent in a lose-lose situation if they have an Ash. Either they negate it, and you just activate your search spell anyway, or they dont negate it, and they draw into their search spell for free. Pot of Greed is the best Ash bait in the game
Indeed it just makes the opponents hand better. So you need to ash it unless you know they have an ash chokepoint in their deck it can't extend around.
@@nm2358 Not really. A lot of Draw 2 Spells incur a Cost before activation, making Ash far stronger. Example being Pot of Desires and Trade-In. You Ash those cards, the opponent goes minus 10 for nothing and/or loses 1 card in hand with little benefit. Meanwhile Pot of Greed, with no cost and no drawback just raw-baits the Ash making it a 1 for 1. So unlike the other Draw 2 spells, Pot of Greed is pure advantage, even if it gets negated.
You wouldn't ash POG simply because it doesn't change the combo the deck will do. Combo decks are a sting of hard once per turns. They don't reeaally need the card advantage. They need the starter and play through the turn based on what they have and whats negated. You would ash the "choke point" like you always do. Pot of greed isn't as good as people seem to think anymore.
As MTG player, I find it funny that two card games have independently made the same mistake of printing busted draw spell, that gives you way too much for way too little (in Magic, it's Ancestral Recall - pay one mana, draw three)
Note: ancestral recall is one blue mana, *target player* draws 3. Now normally that will be yourself but does add some strange flexibility with occasional uses
draw two cards in most card games: (i mean, it's an alright card, there's better options, but there's nothing wrong with just drawing two cards) draw 2 cards in yugioh (specifically pot of greed): **WIN CONDITION**
I know that Pot of Greed is simply just powerful with no drawbacks, but I honestly feel like almost all search effects are similarly powerful. I mean, yeah, Pot is draw-positive. But being able to simply search for the card that I want kinda breaks the whole idea of having a deck instead of just a 40-card hand. (I know I'm exaggerating, but I really feel like search effects are part of why a lot of duels end up lasting just 2ish turns)
Searchers only search archetypal cards therefore are only used in decks of that archetype pot is generic and can be used in anything. Sure resonator call is good in red dragon but sucks everywheee else meanwhile pot of greed can be used in any deck
@@duckgossip Yeah, Pot is definitely far better, no doubt. But I still feel like searchers are touching on the same game-breaking area. Even if searchers are usually for specific archetypes, you'd have built your deck for that archetype anyways, and the card you'd want from your deck would obviously also be that archetype. I guess my issue is how in modern yugioh, you usually have a specific card you need to get your things going, so you hope to either draw that card, or cards that lets you search or draw for it, and if you don't get that ball rolling, then you might as well want to surrender. I feel like that dynamic takes away from the "normal" flow of draw a card, play some cards, pass the turn, repeat. The only draw that really matters is the opening hand. After that, you just kinda search your deck or brute force your way through it.
@@KlausiboyZ which is good because having lots of draw power would make yugioh extremely bad. The whole point is that starting hands matter and there is no mulligan so every game is a tough battle
@@duckgossip Yeah, draw power is overpowered. I just think that if everything end up hinging on drawing your searcher for your starting hands, then it the game becomes very monotonous. It would be more interesting if you had to adapt to your starting hand and adapt your strategy from game to game, instead of just "engine go brrrrrrt"
@@KlausiboyZ literally every deck is like that, adaptation whether or not you have certain cards or if you have gotten hand trapped. Very few decks have linear lines, look at snake eye for example. Sure you could go through the snake eye ash line but if you don’t draw it you would have to go throw diabellstar or if it gets ashes then that’s a whole different can of worms. Yugioh is fine right now, only those yugiboomers with zero competitive experience seem to think it’s not
Extravagance is one of the best draw 2s because plenty of decks function well with minimal to no Extra Deck usage and in those decks it basically is just a Pot of Greed. Love this card.
As a Skull Servant (Wight) user, Graceful Charity would be so OP in my Skull Servant deck compared to Pot of Greed, so I do see Pot of Greed having a higher chance of coming before Graceful Charity.
There's a conceivable meta in which graceful charity isn't good. There is hardly any conceivable trading card game in which pot of greed isn't an auto-include in every deck.
Pot of Extravagance is probably the closes to a "modern day" pot of greed. Extrav would be a pot of greed if the card came out back in the day as the extra deck wasn't that important back then.
And Extrav IS just Pot of Greed in like 9/10 decks that play it. With a hard once on it, which doesn't matter because Pot of Greed would never go to 3 or even 2. Or 1, lets be real lmfao.
@@WhipLash42o Which is fine because the biggest issue with pots is being too generic. Extrav is a card that can be legal whenever decks that play it aren't doing well in the meta and can weaken them when its legal and they are doing well, without harming other types of decks. Pot is just pot in every deck.
@@nbassasin8092 A 41 card deck with 1 Pot is literally better than a 40 card deck without it, even if it's the same 40 other cards. That in itself is problematic.
In an OGC unlimited tournament the winning player wasn’t even playing pot of greed, they were playing full power ishizu tear, and pot of greed was actually a brick because they couldn’t use it turn 0
Sure but wasn't it also because they had access to much better draw spells? It wasn't that pot was a brick but rather that there were at least 2 cards better than pot on the banlist they could run at 3. You don't need pot if you are running 6 better pots. Painful and Graceful have always been better. At some point you just don't need more resource generation.
Well as Doug said, Pot of Greed isn't banned because of how good the draw is but because of it having no requirements. There are plenty of in-archetype draw cards that are just better.
@@Merilirem yeah exactly, an unlimited tournament is terrible metric to judge pot, because there are so many more busted cards on the banlist. Last will basically specials any monster in the game, and instant fusion in unlimited is probably better in tear.
@@MeriliremWhen you have 3 Painful Choice and 3 Graceful Charity you don't have room for Pot of Greed (especially if you also run 3 Deliquent Duo/Confiscation for when you go first). Full power tearlaments mills half their deck turn 1 so they'd rather play a card with a graveyard effect. Even with all of that, most tearlament decks at the tournaments still played Pot of Greed
Glad you explained this like I’m 12 because I’ve never played but I’ve always enjoyed the show kinda want to get into it but it’s a lot of you haven’t done it for a long time
Your opponent can just choose to not let you draw with Maxx C. It's literally a card with built-in counterplay. It's like comparing Mirror Force to Raigeki. Mirror Force CAN be a larger blowout, but Raigeki is objectively stronger despite that. If you get dumpstered by Raigeki, there's not really much you can do about that. If you got dumpstered by Mirror Force, you earned that L fair and square by being too greedy and not considering the boardstate into your plays.
@WilliamReginaldLucas he did not, but while that one is better than guarded treasure, it stops you from activating monster effects in the hand for the rest of the duel. That may not sit well with alot of players that rely on their hand traps. So there's pros and cons to both.
@@nickolasberrian9565 Guarded Treasure is not even worth running with all removal we have currently due to being Continuous Spell and the hefty cost. Time Tearing can atleast see some play in control deck.
@@Observe-h1t you not lying I was testing it in dark world because of the discarding cost of the card only to find out it doesn't work in dark world. So yeah not worth running in pretty much anything
@@nickolasberrian9565 Ah classic dark world mistake. It can be little bit confusing differentiate between cost discard and effect discard, Dark World can only proc with effect discard.
As a casual yugioh player in the late 2000's, the Pot of Greed was very popular and a main staple in every type of deck. I even used it with my Different Dimension deck which was a power house in itself before Return From The Different Dimension got banned.
I'm a very old magic player who came across this and seeing Ancestral Recall made me sad, lol. Looking at Pot of Dichotomy I'm freaking the hell out. I NEED that card in Magic but I don't want anybody else to have it :P
I like that the MtG example at the beginning of the video is a card that is only legal in the one format where the only banned cards are done for moral reasons and 3 cards that cause nearly endless games. Even then it's restricted. Ancestral Recall was the "Pot of Greed" for Magic.
apparently, in a tourny where banned cards were allowed, it didn't see much play because it makes you less likely to draw into hand traps going second, and if you're going turn one then you have a pretty big advantage already and probably don't need the extra card that much.
Tearlaments standing out for being the only deck to not play Pot of Greed in a no banlist tournament is always a hilarious thing to me and reveals a lot honestly that even the strongest pot card is _still_ situational
It’s not tho. They played suboptimal, probably to be like “we’re so good we can win without pot”. Because honestly, what situation would pot of greed have made worse for TL
Cards can have pretty short text and be absolutely terrible, look at moojan curry, short text but terrible card. That joke is old and you aren’t funny btw
This does bring back a lot of memories, i used to play with my friends the original version of Yu-gi-oh! in real life back then. After some time when Yu-gi-oh! Dual Links dropped i started playing it for some time(when it had only the original cards and the ones from GX. When the other new types of yugioh cards and systems were added i quit cuz did not like the other yugioh anime series and to learn how all of them works and remember everything like i knew about all the cards from the 2 i watched. As an OG player i still feel that i was more fun in real life to play then on pc/mobile but oh well that's a thing of the past.
as someone who only ever played magic I was always kind of confused why something so simple was ban worthy. i used to use a card that would let me draw 7 at the cost of 7 life (based on starting life, Yugioh equivalent would be 2800). very informative video. thank you.
In magic Ancestral Recall is banned and considered the strongest magic card ever besides Black Lotus. And Pot of Greed is even stronger than Ancestral Recall.
As someone who plays Magic and doesn't suck at it, you're insane to not think it's banworthy. Gitaxian Probe is banned in the 2nd most powerful format and restricted to 1 copy in THE most powerful format, and it's a draw 1 WITH a cost. And Pot of Greed is a draw 2 with no cost.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 I would argue Ancestral Recall is way stronger than Black Lotus myself, though Lotus is definitely easier to do degenerate nonsense with.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 I'd say it's somewhat format dependant, because yeah the one downside lotus has is that it falls off in the later game while recall will never be not good. But since the only format where both are legal is already the craziest format that exists, there won't neccessary be a lategame at all for Lotus to fall off, so they still perform equally. If both cards were introduced to a slower format like commander though then yes, Recall would be stronger.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Yeah. Card advantage matters most in longer time-to-win formats, while burst mana matters most in shorter time-to-win formats. Turn 1 Island-recall is scary, but swamp-lotus-ritual-banehound-hatred literally wins the game instead.
Because it would be nuts in any card game. If half the cards in your deck were Pots of Greed, you'd just draw your entire deck almost every game. I don't believe non-YGO players don't see why it's good. If Draw 2 Cards for 0 Mana existed in Magic or Hearthstone, it would be among the strongest cards in the game. Btw, I don't play YGO, and I just incidentally saw it played on the YGO cartoon in 2005 at a friend's dorm, and I immediately recognized it was totally nuts.
At this point with the amount of draw cards available, as well as, searchers for just about everything. They may as well limit pot of greed, not like people would play more than one anyway.
Any card game where drawing an additional card makes something overpowered is not a good card game. I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh like 20 years ago (when it came out), and pot of greed was just a regular card. Granted, it was just among friends. Since I don't know much about the current state of the game, I'm guessing people used it to cheese games with some obscure combinations, but then I would think twice about creating these combinations in the first place, instead of banning one of the simplest and most iconic cards in the game.
???? It’s always been banned since the first ever banlist and will always be banned. If you had a brain you would realize that it was just used in the anime to increase cards being played, and a plus one for free in any game ever is overpowered.
@@duckgossip he hasn't played in 20 years and admits he doesn't know what the current game is like. That doesn't make him dumb or something. Hes just sharing his opinion based on what he remembers from the game. You dont have to be so mean
4:45 there are decks that have the banish/remove from play effects as their main drive especially with cards like Gren Maju Da Eiza, eater of Millions, soul absorption, dimensional fissure/macro cosmos, banisher of the light/radiance. Necroface can actually get the cards shuffled back into the deck, so you can keep necroface on hand until you start to run out of deck i love pot of desires for this very reason. banish ten, gain 5K LP, draw 2, banish 10 from extra deck, gain another 5K LP and special summon eater of millions, then normal summon gren maju, now with 8K ATT. or even better, put it face down, and let your opponent attack it, and they take like 5.5k dmg. there is even a variant of this deck that runs some trains to fish out N77 Ravenous Tarantula, that adds attack to all your monsters based on the difference in LP between you and your opponent. so if you gained 10K LP, then all your monsters will have their base attack+10k. so for gren in this case he would have 18k ATT, because why not and you
Yeah but a single piece of disruption and you are cooked. Plus banish for cost so ash ruins it. It’s mainly used in decks that don’t care about searching from the deck too much like sword soul or strikers, banish 10 is a steep cost
@@duckgossip ash ruins the draw, sure. but usually i don't even care about the draw, it is just a nice bonus. the banish 10 is just 5K LP and a 4K gren/eater of millions. the +2 is nice, but not critical to the green deck if you do it right. cost is not a cost if you build around it i have had games where i had 45 cards in the banish. my entire extra deck, which i have just for banishing, unless i side the trains in, which is usually pretty dumb, and another 20 from my deck. no problems. i don't do that if i don't already have necroface on hand though, I'm not that dumb
well ash blossom is also in pretty much every single deck, so if that's ok I don't see why pot is a problem. Also, with 1000 negates on board turn 1 and hand traps and everything, you have a very small chance of that pot of greed actually working for you. If pot is legal, everyone is saving ash blossom for it. It just will not go off most of the time. And especially considering we have several cards now that can potentially be +5 (the draw until you have 6 cards effects) AND those have additional effects, it's highly unreasonable for pot to be banned. Even at 2 copies idk if it would make that much of a difference.
Ash Blossom is a hard once per turn, so if players ash the pot, that means the rest of the combo is now protected. Don't forget people use called by the grave for that exact reason: to negate an ash so their combo is protected. However called by the grave does nothing if the opponent doesn't have an ash in their hand. Pot of greed is gamebreaking if they don't.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 ash is one thing. There are other cards and especially going 2nd, pot never goes off. We play with friends and use banned cards sometimes, and even against the old AIs in ygo omega, pot of greed resolves like 10% of the time at most and since it has no graveyard effect or archetype support or anything, its just a dud. Whereas another card may get negated, but it has a 2nd effect in the grave, you can fetch another copy with another card, recycle it, etc. If we couldnt resolve pot almost ever anymore, neither can pro players. At this stage, if you resolve it, great +, possibly game winning, but most of the time you won't and it will just be 1 effect that wastes a card in your hand, possibly game losing. Its a risk-reward.
@@TheMusicalPotatoesyou resolve it, get free advantage and win. What is it with yugidiots and “I unbanned cards and it wasn’t good” it was good it was just there are other better banned cards.
@@TheMusicalPotatoes first off pro players can still easily resolve it, and second pot of greed as going two will still bait out a negate. Omni negates are generally hard once per turns, so even if an opponent sets up two or three negates, baiting out one of them will protect your own turn.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 in modern yugioh its quite normal to have a ton of negates on board. And again, usually modern cards have several effects so a negate hurts them less. Pot of greed has nothing extra and cant be used for much else. But you dont have to believe me, just try it and see how often it works for you. Pot will basically always be negated, if you even draw it. Also "bait out a negate" is a horrible argument. You can do that with any card
As a Magic gathering and Hearthstone player, Pot of Greed seems like the best card in the game. 3 mana is worth drawing 2 cards, so why wouldn't a 0 mana card that draws 2 not be the most overplayed card ever.
The primary argument people use is that almost every card in Yugioh is a Demonic Tutor for 0 mana. But even that doesn't matter, because Pot of Greed just gets you 2 of THOSE cards instead of the 1 you would have had without Pot of Greed.
it originally was banned due to the reason no one really knows what the card is doing and you have to read the awefully long text every time to remember its effect... What was it doing again?
How unreasonable would it be to tie a deckbuilding/turn restriction to the effect? "Activate only if your starting deck contained 50+ cards" Or "You cannot activate this card during your first (or second?) turn" / "you cannot activate this card unless your opponent has completed their first / second turn" It would still be strong, especially the "50+" cards one, but these kinds of conditions might help lower the rate of hitting your starters or reduce the odds that it contributes to more explosive starts? The deckbuilding restriction is harder to implement with paper games, but the turn restriction could be a space to explore? Just to throw a couple ideas out there
it would be pointless. reminder that grass was banned because it encouraged ineficient deck building for the sake of dumping grave effects and its only counter was to also build a 60 card deck.
If I could remake a pot of greed I would make it to a two turn card that gives you two cards. To explain in detail you basically play end it immediately gives you one card back and in the next turn it will give you one more card which would give it good counter play as it could be dispelled and if you want to make it even more potent you can just increase the amount of cards it gives and make every turn consecutively give one card, for example if it gives 3 cards it it stays on the field for 3 turns giving you one card per turn which equates to getting two cards instead of one each turn, this would also give a niche to shard of greed giving it the niche of being a two turn two card giving spell which fills the place apart of greed but with a more balanced ability
@@MrCmon113 Okay, but, and hear me out on this, YuGiOh was never about being balanced. I'm pretty sure you could normal summon Blue Eyes White Dragon in the beginning. Even if it's just for one tournament, it should be allowed for the love of absolute chaos.
The problem with pot of greed is that it would be in every single deck. Konami has 0 problem with overpowered cards, half of their game is a garbagely balanced nightmare. Pot of greed would just be in EVERY single deck. And that promotes very lazy unfun deck building
Dancing around prospi I see. With the right archetype design philosophy, I could see a point in the future where Konami could limit PoG and have it not be problematic. We arguably have seen what that would look like with Tearlaments.
Even assuming prospi is ok, the reason would be because of its limitations. Unless we powercreep pot somehow the fact its generic makes it an auto include in every deck. The only exceptions ever are decks that can't run spells at all and decks that are already running better cards and have no room. Tear runs pot too if pot exists. The only time they don't is in unlimited tournaments where they have the better resource cards at 3 copies.
the concept of a card being banned to me feels like its some ultra divine/evil power, that people are trying to keep sealed away from the world. because if unleashed. absolute havoc would be unleashed. I'd want to unleash it, personally...
I truly believe the ONLY way that Pot of Greed could come back would be if the entire way decks are built changes to a point-buy system, which would require every one of the 10,000+ card to have a point value given to it which would be subject to change with each update. So it's not exactly a likely situation.
you could do it like Canadian Highlander where only certain cards have a point buy cost, effectively instead of banning/restricting cards you give them points instead, and cards that aren't problematic enough for this will cost 0 points
PoG is basically OP in its practical use because: If you run the 40 deck minimum, you now practically have a 39 deck with a +1 draw (works out to a 38 deck at start.) Which works out to a +2.56% higher chance of drawing the needed card at a full deck, and that percentage only increases as the deck withers. So, early game it is less effective, but late game it is basically monstrously OP.
Not exactly. Starting with PoG in hand is basically starting with a 6 card opener in a 39 card deck. The probability of finding 1 or more of a card you have 3 of in a 40 card deck, in an opener that included PoG is approximately 40%. In order to reach that same 40% with a 5 card opener, your deck would need to be 33 or 34 cards. Your math is roughly correct for Upstart Goblin. Pot of Greed is significantly stronger.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 assuming you have three of them. Most cards if high tier are limited to 1 per deck, sometimes you can have two. But when I draw, I'm not looking for the weaker cards, but the card that's going to set up, or end the duel.
@@noneyabidness9644 The math literally gets more in favor of running PoG the fewer the number of the target card are in the deck. The probability of finding that 1 card in your PoG opener is 15.4%. Without PoG, you'd need a 32 card deck to reach those odds.
@@tzman215 how is that being fair there's literally no reason to stretch a video with this topic out to this length, especially when he's already discussed it before.
@@PeaceB58 There is a reason actually. The UA-cam algorithm prioritizes watch time above basically everything else so if you want to maximize your ad revenue and (even more importantly) get more of your videos recommended to viewers, you generally have to make your videos at least ten minutes long. This video answers the question in the title near the beginning and then has a bunch of extra information there if you want it. Nothing forces you to stay if you don't want to.
A good way to balance it would be to create cards that are activated by your opponent drawing cards via a card effect. Like a trap card that says "when your opponent draws via a card effect, they discard their entire hand" or something. Normally such a card would be a pretty esoteric card and there'd be no real reason to use it, but if everyone had a Pot of Greed in their deck, the thought that any face-down card on your opponent's field could be "Landmine of Greed" or whatever and using Pot could totally bugger you would be enough of a cost I think.
@@duckgossip Then they've burned two cards just to keep the two cards Pot gives them, and it only cost you one card to do it, and now they're down one negate card they could have used to stop one of your other cards instead. That still works out in your favor, and it hasn't made Pot a bad card, just less valuable.
It’s ridiculous how pog is banned but majority of decks have search effects so you can draw so many of the exact cards you need. Plus so many cards allow you to draw more with very little setup (sighs in maxx c)
Pot of greed being banned but Maxx C being ok is still wild to me tbh. Like every argument that applies to pot of greed being banned can be applied to Maxx C too. But konami just keeps the insect legal
This should tell you that Pot is perfectly fine to be unbanned, but the reasons it isn't have little to nothing to do with game balance (which this game doesn't have anyway).
Absolutely not. MaxxC is good against certain decks, in certain metas. It can be used in a smart way and there's several ways to respond to it. Pot of Greed is OP in pretty much any TCG, in and against any deck in any meta at any time and it gives zero opportunity for smart decision making, but simply gives a massive advantage to anyone drawing it first. MaxxC is great game design, PoG is horrible game design.
Graceful wouldn't be in every deck, but it is more powerful than Pot in the decks that would want to play it. Pot, refusing to include it in a deck would be actively choosing to make your deck weaker. It's legitimately not possible for a deck to get weaker after adding Pot.
There is decks, metas, tcgs in which Graceful Charity would be bad. There is pretty much no TCG in which PoG wouldn't be an auto-include. Bcs having cards on your hand is generally good in TCGs.
Worth noting for Avarice is the shuffle 5 first actually usually ends up being a "downside" due to most cards being HOPT so any card you shuffle back is a "dead draw" off the top for the turn.
The simple reason: there's no reasonable situation in which drawing Pot of Greed is ever the less optimal draw compared to any other card in the deck (because you can always use Pot of Greed to hope for the card you wanted once again, but in better odds and 1 more card!). Literally any other card, such as the almighty king of banned cards Painful Choice, can be a card you may not want in your hand because you need something else. The lack of this drawback that every single other card has is Pot of Greed's strength.
@@KevinTriforce But so is your regular draw. So if you get Pot of Greed through your regular draw, now you got 2 chances to draw the good card rather than 1 chance (and the odds are even slightly better on top of that due to the 1-card thin). So you'd always be happy seeing Pot of Greed no matter how much you are hoping for a certain card. You never go "Ah crap, it's PoG instead of [card]". If you don't draw the card you wanted through PoG, you wouldn't have drawn it in PoG's place anyway.
@@KevinTriforce You can also never draw a single searcher at all in the entire game. By your own logic, that means searchers are worthless cards that you shouldn't include. Inherently, in order for your argument against Pot to be valid, you must necessarily also believe that searchers suck.
if it got released, pot of greed would see play in every deck, but in a tournament setting people most likely side it out when going second, because it would suck to have pot of greed in your hand instead of a handtrap or anything to interact with the opponent. And since baronne and borreload savage got banned it would probably still be ok to draw going second. Still, it loses to the most common handtrap, ash blossom.
There are only two ways to ever make pot of greed not an auto include in every single deck: 1. Print strictly better copies that draw even more cards to the point where the limiting factor in each deck becomes the number of functional game pieces they can fit in their essentially 60 card hand. 2. Print enough cards that consistently hard-punish spell cards or card draw. Think multiple handtraps that read "if your opponent has played a spell card or drawn more than one card this turn, you win the game". Neither of these conditions are fun game design, but who knows - that's never stopped Konami before
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I knew a guy in high school, that had a whole page of pot of greed in his binder. We joked that he was prepping for the day pot got unbanned
He’s gonna have those cards for a while huh?
@@duckgossipat the very least Konami reprints Pots of Greed from to time.
Konami after unbanning Pot of greed for 1 day.
That guy: finally
@@pnyhmsmx that means literally nothing
@@duckgossip reprints prevents speculators trying to hoard cards. I remember some people trying to do that when monster reborn and chaos sorcerer got.unbanned back in 5ds era
Little known fact, in the anime pot of greed does have downside, it only works, if you explain to your opponent what it does!
They should implement that irl so its balanced
@@Hazzah_2006 I am sure with that change the card would become less obnoxius irl
Another hidden effect of PoG, the cards drawn are almost always crucial to the protagonist combo.
It does what it do
It lets you draw 3 cards
It's banned because its text is too short for modern YuGiOh.
Huh?
It’s a joke
If you can’t separate the text into chapters then it’s not allowed
Hahahaha nice
this was the funniest comment lmao. Yugioh have to explain everything now.
The easiest way ive explained pot of greed to my friends is just saying “there is literally no reason to not have the card in your deck if it isnt banned”
Well, there is one reason. "It makes my deck too strong so I can't play with my friends". That's a pretty good reason not to have the card in your deck.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 But if you're playing with friends, bans don't matter anyway.
@@screamingcactus1753 Yep. Casual TCG play always manages banlists via rule 0 and not what the game creators say is banned.
"There's NEVER a reason to not activate it" is how I explained it 🤷♂
@NinoInTheComments Block it. Card exists in the game, let it live
+1 card advantage: too good
Summoning 5 high level effect monsters in 1 turn: That’s fine
I mean those are the combos players can make with 5 cards in their starting hand. Now imagine the madness 6 cards in the starting hand would cause, because that is basically what pot of greed does: let you start the game with 6 cards instead of 5.
one thing existing doesn't justify another.
especially when people are asking for the combos of that effect to be reigned in because it's terrible
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 It also effectively shrinks your deck since it's also a card in your deck. Imagine if you could just choose one to three cards in your deck to get the bonus effect "When you draw this card, draw 1 card" and doing so let you put one to three less cards in your deck. That's basically Pot of Greed.
I mean not every deck can summon 5 monster on one turn, but all decks can make a good use of 2 more cards
Yeah, there were a few tournaments that unbanned it, and while a lot of people used it, it wasn't that good.
Pot of Greed used to be overpowered because old school Yu-Gi-Oh was not a very good game (which is fine, because it facilitated some of the greatest "this works because I said so" moments in card games) so it felt like actually playing a dramatic and high paced game like we wanted from the manga/anime. Duelists were at the mercy of having specific counters to specific things, so the emotional vibe of duels was more a measure of "did someone predict me personally and pick that one counter card" rather than "has my opponent built the superior competitive deck than me". And having pot be so thematically simple and easy to slot in that anyone and everyone would use it, it just made the game better for everyone.
Now pot of greed isn't overpowered because modern Yu-Gi-Oh isn't a very good game (which is fine, because there's inherent value in the spectacle of turns that take literally 5min and the duelist isn't doing anything but chaining card effects) but now it is definitely a dramatic and high paced game, faster than all of its peers (MtG, Hearthstone, PokemonTCG, etc). Duelists are at the mercy of their opponents draws because every deck has so many tools and is flexible, so the emotional vibe of duels is more "the human element is completely logical and mostly equal, let us see if we like or dislike how the game performs" rather than "this is a battle of wills and expression between me and someone and we are letting the hands of the draw determine who is more righteous." And having pot of greed be so flexible means so many less competitive decks can win through random chance, so the more people use it the worse the game is for everyone.
The way to fix pot of greed is to make it a player ability that can be triggered once per battle during your 1st main phase.
I summon Pot of Greed to draw three additional cards.
That's not what it does!
@@Serene769that's what it do
I summon pot of greed to add 5 pieces of Exodia the forbidden
@@Serene769But what does Pot of Greed do?
It's sad that some people won't get this lmao
"I activate Pot of Greed. This card allows me to draw two cards!"
I activate Reborn the Monster. It allows me to summon Pot of Greed from your graveyard, which allows me to draw two cards. I then sacrifice Pot of greed to summon Pot of Greed, which allows me to draw 2 cards. From my graveyard, I activate the effect of Pot of Greed, allowing be to draw two cards, then special summoning Pot of Greed from my graveyard, allowing me to draw 2 cards.
Next, I XYZ summon Pot of Greed, using Pot of Greed and Pot of Greed as materials, allowing me to draw two cards. I then detach Pot of Greed from Pot of Greed, allowing me to draw 2 cards. I activate the effect of Pot of Greed from the graveyard, allowing me to draw 2 cards and special summoning Pot of Greed from the graveyard, allowing me to draw 2 cards. I activate the effect of Pot of Greed, attaching my Pot of Greed to it as XYZ material, and allowing me to draw two cards.
"Nani!!!!"
oh so thats what it does
@@aprinnyonbreak1290 Three cards
@@brettvandermeer5297no, that’s Graceful Charity. You just have to think about what to discard until the opponent is distracted enough.
“I play pot of greed. What it does is that the turn I play this card I win by default. The game’s finished. Pot of greed. Obliterate!”
Isn't that 90% of decks anyways? People are busting out a third of their extra deck their opening turn. Then they have so many negates on the field it's like what's the point? Anything you bring out is going to be destroyed anyways.
I used to play Pokémon card game as a young kid. I was good. Got 2nd in a tournament once. I used rain dance deck.
Anyway…
Pot of gold is literally the same card as bill in Pokémon.
I abused that card as a kid lol
@@Justdont693 Pokemon is not yugioh. The biggest difference is the fact that you can chain combos. I would argue that having multiple effects that let you search your deck for specific cards is better than draw 2 random cards. But people are chaining so many draw/search effects that they get +20 first turn and summon half the extra deck. In that situation, +2 random cards doesn't matter because you just got +20 targeted cards that let you dominate the field. That's equal to using 10 pots of greed but with a stacked deck and each pot lets you special summon.
@@Anzeth_Zeon this exactly. They fill the field with monsters cause one of them lets them straight up look into the deck. And that somehow is more balanced than pot of greed.
@@Anzeth_Zeon Drawing 2 cards with 1 card generically is vastly superior to searching for 1 card that fits a bunch of restrictions with 1 card. Especially if your deck ALSO contains those searchers. Mathematically, a 43 card deck with 3 copies of Pot of Greed is more consistent than just playing the exact same 40 with no Pot of Greed. If it is allowed to be played, your deck is guaranteed to be worse for not including it, no matter what. And that will ALWAYS be true, until the point where the norm is already 60 card decks that ALL chain together while going +1 or better into a single combo turn 1, no matter what your opening hand is. If your deck is running less than 60 cards, it will always be mathematically superior to add copies of Pot of Greed to it. And if your deck IS running 60 cards, it'd be better to replace some of them with Pot of Greed. Until the game gets to the point where every deck runs 60 cards that ALL search for each other, with MOST of them also going positive on card advantage on top of that, Pot of Greed cannot be taken off the banlist.
Way back in early Yu-Gi-Oh there was no better feeling than using pot of greed and drawing one or both of the other ones in your deck so you could rip through your deck like lightning
Hearing 2005 and almost 2 decades in the same sentence took me by surprise
allure remains one of my favorite cards of all time because of its subtle but focused design. by making the banish an if then effect instead of a cost to activate, not only are you in literal terms being allured by darkness to send one of your cards to banishment in exchange for more cards, functionally sacrificing a monster for power, you can also initiate a blind allure. the artwork alludes to this concept. sure you have no darks in hand, but look at how tantalizing the top of that deck is. look how easy it would be to simply pick that top card up. maybe itll even be a dark monster. that top card is literally calling to you with a dark aura in the art. also, setting all spells and traps in hand to empty it as much as possible before slamming down a blind allure is one of the most hype moments that can happen in a game of yugioh. love that thing so much
You make it sound like you’re being secured by cardboard or smth
I wish there was more roleplay like this in yugioh.
i fell in love with allure the first time i had it in hand with no darks, absolutly immaculate flavor
As a chaos player I have to agree. There are times when I don't even need to draw a dark.
That feeling when you allure with nothing but lights and spells, and draw a thunder dragon dark and thunder dragon hawk at the same time
*Pot of Greed:* Was played in every deck.
*Ash Blossom:* Played in every deck.
Not every deck plays ash though. It can be a -1 in card advantage if you don’t time it correctly
Difference is ash goes 0 or -1
Pog either goes 0 or +1
@@Diego5151999 Every Deck uses Ash Blossom
Ash blossom is a necessary evil
@@Fencer_Nowawhen does Pot of Greed ever go negative?
Are you saying if it gets negated, it still costs them a resource to negate it, so that’s the 0?
it's funny how graceful charity is more busted now because of how much stuff abuses the graveyard now and the game doesnt get graveyard hate as often
Graceful Charity has been the “more busted” card since its release in the OCG (where Sangan and WotBF activated on discard, too). As for the TCG, while it was always busted, it was by far the superior draw card starting with Invasion of Chaos to pitch fodder for BLS or CED.
Yeah because the game is Banish loving now, can't go 2 matches without some archetype reading 'banish' to do thing.
@@DexLeroy Grave effects were just the best way for Yugioh to make weak cards into two weak cards instead of 1 and thus viable. Keeping the game going longer without spiking the power of turns directly.
@@saviorselfX29 As a chaos player since the start I have to agree that graceful has always been the better card. Not only do you get to choose cards to keep but you get 3 options added before you discard. Digging 3 down and grabbing up to all 3 cards by discarding ones you already had that you no longer need is just insane. Let alone the chaos monsters getting playable turn 1 off of a draw card.
I really wish there was a chaos version of graceful. Something like "reveal X monster or search from deck" to do the graceful effect. Not sure on the specifics to avoid it being generic but chaos has never been as easy to play turn 1 as when graceful existed. Things like grass and reasoning and such just aren't the same. Allure is great of course but that's more like a pot of greed.
@@Merilirem When I say Banish, I mean Kash or that Dream Archetype... I mean permanently Banishing.
Essentially, it boils down to Pot of Greed is a card that will universally be useful, maybe not game breaking.
While other cards may be individually more powerful or meta defining, none of them could be used in every deck through every format.
im a little late to the party but i just wanna say, hand traps
The feeling of playing Graceful Charity and you draw Monster Reborn + high level monster and sending it to the graveyard to summon it tribute-free is unmatched
I once used Apprentice Dark Magician to play Dark Magician to special summon Dark Eradicator Warlock, then used a spell card to win the game. That was a rush.
I'm having flashbacks to a yu-gi-oh GBA game, like old school play. Grandpa was so annoying to play because his focus was using the Exodia win condition. He had like 3 copies of Exodia, 3 Pots of Greed, I think he had graceful charity and a few other draw cards. Sometimes RNG was just not on your side. This was also when Yu-Gi-Oh actually lasted a few turns and search spells weren't common yet.
Probably the 2004 one that had all the duelists in a little semi circle and pages
UggghhHHHHH World Championship 2004 lmfao, frickin Solomon!!!
@@keithparker8052i just got the emulator on my iphone to play it and he drew exodia twice on me in 4 matches lol
Thanks for reminding me about that game.
@@keithparker8052yuuuuup😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It's banned because nobody knows what it does
I mean how could they know? It's description is wayyy too long and complicated and not straightforward!!
@@deglanjies696Exactly! I’m not reading a 5 page essay of something like the terms and conditions of buying a new car! I just wanna play! 😭
20 years later and no one still thought to really study this card thoroughly
How is it complicated? Don’t you burn 1000 LP and draw 10 cards if you file your taxes?
I think i hear once that it banishes your hand face down to special summon an extra deck exodia type moster but I dunno man
Just a plus 1 in card advantage for free and the essential 37 card decks are insane even 20 years later
If you go second with pot of greed In your hand, you basically start with 4 cards in hand. Could be a handtrap or engine.
@@TheOneAndOnlyP6 can bait or draw an out. you can use this argument with anything.
@@TheOneAndOnlyP6
You could also draw into the necessary going 2nd board breakers or key engine pieces. It’s well worth the risk.
@TheOneAndOnlyP6 Why is it essentially 4 cards? because they'll negate it? Because all that means is that it wasted one of their negates, so at worse it's an imperm, removing one of their negates they built up.
And Upstar is stronger at 3
As someone who plays both magic the gathering and yugioh (magic being my paper game and yugioh i play on master duel), pot of greed reminds me a lot of the "companion" mechanic from magic. For those who don't know, the companion mechanic basically allowed you to start with an extra card in your starting hand for no cost other than a light deck build restriction. Each pot of greed basically lowered your deck size by 3 cards per pot, which would make yugioh, already known for its ridiculously fast otk combo gameplay become even faster and more consistent
I played in 2002-2004, and Pot of Greed was a great card. Maneater Bug. So many good cool cards. This was such a fun time in my childhood. Being in 7th-8th grade and playing against classmates and friends after class was over or study hall. Yu-gi-oh, Pokémon, DBZ, & Air Bender will always be my top animes.
i think jar of creed has the shortest card text in the game. "Draw 1 card" is slightly shorter than pot of greed
No because 1 is a longer number than 2
@@criticaltipper7699 what? Both are exactly one character?
@@criticaltipper7699 No, Pot of Greed is longer because it is plural (aka cards instead of card).
@@CelmondasThey mean the character itself is longer
Which is also wrong
Cards is longer than card.
Dzeeff in 2034: Why nobody plays Pot of Greed.
"You see, drawing random cards simply isn't that good. What you want are cards that search and add from your binder."
We have that in Magic: you can take cards from your side-board and add them to your hand
Pot of Greed, even then, would still be good. Because it thins your deck, gets you to those cards faster, gives card advantage, and can potentially force your opponent to respond, wasting a counterplay that could have been used against a combo piece.
Companion in mtg
lol accurate
Unless the game gets to a point where EVERY card just is 2 different cards, it's not possible for Pot of Greed to be anything less than an auto-include. A 43 card deck with 3 Pot of Greed is mathematically superior to the same 40 with 0 Pot of Greed. That's just how math works. Until the game becomes a turn 0 format with no possible counterplay, Pot of Greed is an auto-include if it's legal, making your deck actively worse for not including it. And at that point, the game is very literally not playable. As in, it can't be played, don't bother, neither player gets a turn.
Making 1 card into 2 cards, in a way that works in every archetype is always good, amazingly.
And even if it gets negated, you don't really get punished. Unless it's a negate with legs or something, the opponent has to expend a resource or resources to stop it. At worst you go 1 for 1 if it's stopped by Ash Blossom.
Seems like the issue is that card advantage is simply too important in Yugioh to allow free +1's, and that will probably never change.
You don't say?
Well in Pokemon even the "draw 3 cards" card is so bad that noone even uses it :D
@@parkercrossland410 It would be just as good in any other similar game.
It just turns one card into two. That's always good unless it's bad to have more cards in the game.
So drawing 2 cards is op but summoning 5 monsters and winning in 1-2 turns is completely fine? I will never understand this game
There is no card that can summon 5 monsters by itself.
Drawing 2 cards in a game where every card in your deck lets you win in 1 or 2 turns is in fact OP, yes.
@@Scapegoat-po2ou Why even are there cards that let you win in 1-2 turns 💀
@@jack1231309to get Whales to buy paks until they have the meta deck ever 6 month to a year.
0:42 quick someone make an edit of every character saying its effects in the og anime
Dzeeff: "oof i am low on YT Ad rev"
Also Dzeeff: "Welp, time to make another Pot of Greed video"
I choose to believe every couple months he spins a wheel to decide whether he makes a video about god cards or this
@@Carlet_S Welcome back to another episode of Yugiboomer Roulette! In this series I will be spinning a wheel to see what old banned card or old terrible card doesn't see play or can't come back
I know this is just a joke comment and I shouldn't reply but these videos need to get around 2/3x the views of a duel video to get anywhere close to the ad rev on those lol
@@Dzeeff Really glad you replied because I would have never guessed that
@@Dzeeffdon’t worry if there’s anything that Yu-Gi-Oh! players love it’s a Pot of Greed/Maxx “C” discussion 😂 thanks for the vid 🙂
One thing you missed here is that Pot of Greed also puts the opponent in a lose-lose situation if they have an Ash. Either they negate it, and you just activate your search spell anyway, or they dont negate it, and they draw into their search spell for free. Pot of Greed is the best Ash bait in the game
Indeed it just makes the opponents hand better. So you need to ash it unless you know they have an ash chokepoint in their deck it can't extend around.
Pot of Greed ain't Maxx C. Every draw 2 card people do run forces the exact same interaction of "do I want to ash this?"
@@nm2358 Not really. A lot of Draw 2 Spells incur a Cost before activation, making Ash far stronger. Example being Pot of Desires and Trade-In. You Ash those cards, the opponent goes minus 10 for nothing and/or loses 1 card in hand with little benefit.
Meanwhile Pot of Greed, with no cost and no drawback just raw-baits the Ash making it a 1 for 1. So unlike the other Draw 2 spells, Pot of Greed is pure advantage, even if it gets negated.
You wouldn't ash POG simply because it doesn't change the combo the deck will do. Combo decks are a sting of hard once per turns. They don't reeaally need the card advantage. They need the starter and play through the turn based on what they have and whats negated. You would ash the "choke point" like you always do. Pot of greed isn't as good as people seem to think anymore.
@@sandcastlevibes pot of greed lets the opponent fish for cards that dodge ash too, like Called By and Crossout
I just love that it still receives so much merch
As MTG player, I find it funny that two card games have independently made the same mistake of printing busted draw spell, that gives you way too much for way too little (in Magic, it's Ancestral Recall - pay one mana, draw three)
Note: ancestral recall is one blue mana, *target player* draws 3. Now normally that will be yourself but does add some strange flexibility with occasional uses
draw two cards in most card games: (i mean, it's an alright card, there's better options, but there's nothing wrong with just drawing two cards)
draw 2 cards in yugioh (specifically pot of greed): **WIN CONDITION**
It’s not a win condition, but it helps getting there. Also a free draw 2 is bonkers in any card game, look at Pokémon’s bill for example
I know that Pot of Greed is simply just powerful with no drawbacks, but I honestly feel like almost all search effects are similarly powerful. I mean, yeah, Pot is draw-positive. But being able to simply search for the card that I want kinda breaks the whole idea of having a deck instead of just a 40-card hand.
(I know I'm exaggerating, but I really feel like search effects are part of why a lot of duels end up lasting just 2ish turns)
Searchers only search archetypal cards therefore are only used in decks of that archetype pot is generic and can be used in anything. Sure resonator call is good in red dragon but sucks everywheee else meanwhile pot of greed can be used in any deck
@@duckgossip Yeah, Pot is definitely far better, no doubt. But I still feel like searchers are touching on the same game-breaking area. Even if searchers are usually for specific archetypes, you'd have built your deck for that archetype anyways, and the card you'd want from your deck would obviously also be that archetype.
I guess my issue is how in modern yugioh, you usually have a specific card you need to get your things going, so you hope to either draw that card, or cards that lets you search or draw for it, and if you don't get that ball rolling, then you might as well want to surrender. I feel like that dynamic takes away from the "normal" flow of draw a card, play some cards, pass the turn, repeat. The only draw that really matters is the opening hand. After that, you just kinda search your deck or brute force your way through it.
@@KlausiboyZ which is good because having lots of draw power would make yugioh extremely bad. The whole point is that starting hands matter and there is no mulligan so every game is a tough battle
@@duckgossip Yeah, draw power is overpowered. I just think that if everything end up hinging on drawing your searcher for your starting hands, then it the game becomes very monotonous. It would be more interesting if you had to adapt to your starting hand and adapt your strategy from game to game, instead of just "engine go brrrrrrt"
@@KlausiboyZ literally every deck is like that, adaptation whether or not you have certain cards or if you have gotten hand trapped. Very few decks have linear lines, look at snake eye for example. Sure you could go through the snake eye ash line but if you don’t draw it you would have to go throw diabellstar or if it gets ashes then that’s a whole different can of worms. Yugioh is fine right now, only those yugiboomers with zero competitive experience seem to think it’s not
Pot of greed + magician of faith combo went hard back in the day
Because it lets you draw three additional cards from your deck.
ROLL MY DICE
Three but i thought it was four
read again. you have to draw 2 cards as in make pictures of 2 cards
@@dilakrithat what it does my bad 😂
Still unclear on what it does
Pot of greed is scary. Graceful Charity is absolutely horrifying.
Extravagance is one of the best draw 2s because plenty of decks function well with minimal to no Extra Deck usage and in those decks it basically is just a Pot of Greed. Love this card.
Pot of greed has a far better chance of coming back than graceful charity.
As a Skull Servant (Wight) user, Graceful Charity would be so OP in my Skull Servant deck compared to Pot of Greed, so I do see Pot of Greed having a higher chance of coming before Graceful Charity.
@ThunderDragonRandy been playing skill Servants since 2011. I'm also a big Dark World fan. Yes graceful charity would break them.
@@jamessherman6598 That too. A cousin of mine was also a fan of Dark Worlds.
@@ThunderDragonRandysame I play skull too and I’m like omg imagine 😱
There's a conceivable meta in which graceful charity isn't good.
There is hardly any conceivable trading card game in which pot of greed isn't an auto-include in every deck.
Pot of Extravagance is probably the closes to a "modern day" pot of greed. Extrav would be a pot of greed if the card came out back in the day as the extra deck wasn't that important back then.
And Extrav IS just Pot of Greed in like 9/10 decks that play it. With a hard once on it, which doesn't matter because Pot of Greed would never go to 3 or even 2. Or 1, lets be real lmfao.
The biggest draw back of all the modern pots is the Hopt clause.
@@WhipLash42o Which is fine because the biggest issue with pots is being too generic. Extrav is a card that can be legal whenever decks that play it aren't doing well in the meta and can weaken them when its legal and they are doing well, without harming other types of decks.
Pot is just pot in every deck.
@@WhipLash42o Pot can go to 1 and it wouldnt be anything problematic, just annoying because every deck would play it
@@nbassasin8092 A 41 card deck with 1 Pot is literally better than a 40 card deck without it, even if it's the same 40 other cards. That in itself is problematic.
In an OGC unlimited tournament the winning player wasn’t even playing pot of greed, they were playing full power ishizu tear, and pot of greed was actually a brick because they couldn’t use it turn 0
Sure but wasn't it also because they had access to much better draw spells? It wasn't that pot was a brick but rather that there were at least 2 cards better than pot on the banlist they could run at 3. You don't need pot if you are running 6 better pots.
Painful and Graceful have always been better. At some point you just don't need more resource generation.
Well as Doug said, Pot of Greed isn't banned because of how good the draw is but because of it having no requirements. There are plenty of in-archetype draw cards that are just better.
@@Merilirem yeah exactly, an unlimited tournament is terrible metric to judge pot, because there are so many more busted cards on the banlist. Last will basically specials any monster in the game, and instant fusion in unlimited is probably better in tear.
Very niche scenario really, I can see that happening once in 60 games or so
@@MeriliremWhen you have 3 Painful Choice and 3 Graceful Charity you don't have room for Pot of Greed (especially if you also run 3 Deliquent Duo/Confiscation for when you go first). Full power tearlaments mills half their deck turn 1 so they'd rather play a card with a graveyard effect.
Even with all of that, most tearlament decks at the tournaments still played Pot of Greed
I still don't understand what pot of greed does
Nobody does. That's why it is banned.
So after u play pit of geed u can get 2 card from topdeck
Glad you explained this like I’m 12 because I’ve never played but I’ve always enjoyed the show kinda want to get into it but it’s a lot of you haven’t done it for a long time
Triple Tactic Talent folded it knees in the corner while sobbing . . . .
Seriously, pot of greed lets you draw 2 cards, Maxx C can let you draw for every special summon your opponent makes and it isn't banned (in the OCG)
Ocg sucks 🤷
The ocg also has Kaiser colosseum legal and had vanities emptiness legal for 6 years later than the tcg banning.
So they also make stupid choices
@t.p.9434 still, Pot of Greed doesn't shut down the enemy's plans ON THEIR turn.
Your opponent can just choose to not let you draw with Maxx C. It's literally a card with built-in counterplay. It's like comparing Mirror Force to Raigeki. Mirror Force CAN be a larger blowout, but Raigeki is objectively stronger despite that. If you get dumpstered by Raigeki, there's not really much you can do about that. If you got dumpstered by Mirror Force, you earned that L fair and square by being too greedy and not considering the boardstate into your plays.
Ending your turn doesn't quality as counter play to me. End your turn and lose, or let your opponent draw 10 and lose. @@dontmisunderstand6041
I'm surprised he didn't mention guarded treasure which is a card that's also not played despite have a draw 2 every turn.
There’s an even more busted one called Time-Tearing Morganite which a lot of Runick players run (I don’t think he mentioned that)
@WilliamReginaldLucas he did not, but while that one is better than guarded treasure, it stops you from activating monster effects in the hand for the rest of the duel. That may not sit well with alot of players that rely on their hand traps. So there's pros and cons to both.
@@nickolasberrian9565 Guarded Treasure is not even worth running with all removal we have currently due to being Continuous Spell and the hefty cost. Time Tearing can atleast see some play in control deck.
@@Observe-h1t you not lying I was testing it in dark world because of the discarding cost of the card only to find out it doesn't work in dark world. So yeah not worth running in pretty much anything
@@nickolasberrian9565 Ah classic dark world mistake. It can be little bit confusing differentiate between cost discard and effect discard, Dark World can only proc with effect discard.
I searched one video on yu-gi-oh and now im here from recommendations.
Neat
As a casual yugioh player in the late 2000's, the Pot of Greed was very popular and a main staple in every type of deck. I even used it with my Different Dimension deck which was a power house in itself before Return From The Different Dimension got banned.
That background music was groovy.
I still don’t know what this card does
.........heh...you wouldn't believe what it is
I'm a very old magic player who came across this and seeing Ancestral Recall made me sad, lol. Looking at Pot of Dichotomy I'm freaking the hell out. I NEED that card in Magic but I don't want anybody else to have it :P
I like that the MtG example at the beginning of the video is a card that is only legal in the one format where the only banned cards are done for moral reasons and 3 cards that cause nearly endless games. Even then it's restricted. Ancestral Recall was the "Pot of Greed" for Magic.
apparently, in a tourny where banned cards were allowed, it didn't see much play because it makes you less likely to draw into hand traps going second, and if you're going turn one then you have a pretty big advantage already and probably don't need the extra card that much.
Because you can run 3 graceful instead and you have so many better options
Tearlaments standing out for being the only deck to not play Pot of Greed in a no banlist tournament is always a hilarious thing to me and reveals a lot honestly that even the strongest pot card is _still_ situational
The only card that'd see play in every single deck is probably Graceful Charity.
Most of the decklists in that tournament still played pot of greed. Tearlaments included
It’s not tho. They played suboptimal, probably to be like “we’re so good we can win without pot”. Because honestly, what situation would pot of greed have made worse for TL
@@Tsweeney12584 NOT milling names? That's the whole point of the deck.
@@xuspirahopte5549 yeah in most graveyard heavy decks pot of greed probably doesn't make the cut overs slots for Graceful, Painful, and Last Will.
If pot of greed said you had to give up your soul people would still use it
Let's be honest, it's still banned because its effect isn't the length of a college dissertation.
Cards can have pretty short text and be absolutely terrible, look at moojan curry, short text but terrible card. That joke is old and you aren’t funny btw
@@duckgossip didn't ask.
This does bring back a lot of memories, i used to play with my friends the original version of Yu-gi-oh! in real life back then.
After some time when Yu-gi-oh! Dual Links dropped i started playing it for some time(when it had only the original cards and the ones from GX.
When the other new types of yugioh cards and systems were added i quit cuz did not like the other yugioh anime series and to learn how all of them works and remember everything like i knew about all the cards from the 2 i watched.
As an OG player i still feel that i was more fun in real life to play then on pc/mobile but oh well that's a thing of the past.
as someone who only ever played magic I was always kind of confused why something so simple was ban worthy. i used to use a card that would let me draw 7 at the cost of 7 life (based on starting life, Yugioh equivalent would be 2800). very informative video. thank you.
In magic Ancestral Recall is banned and considered the strongest magic card ever besides Black Lotus. And Pot of Greed is even stronger than Ancestral Recall.
As someone who plays Magic and doesn't suck at it, you're insane to not think it's banworthy. Gitaxian Probe is banned in the 2nd most powerful format and restricted to 1 copy in THE most powerful format, and it's a draw 1 WITH a cost. And Pot of Greed is a draw 2 with no cost.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 I would argue Ancestral Recall is way stronger than Black Lotus myself, though Lotus is definitely easier to do degenerate nonsense with.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 I'd say it's somewhat format dependant, because yeah the one downside lotus has is that it falls off in the later game while recall will never be not good. But since the only format where both are legal is already the craziest format that exists, there won't neccessary be a lategame at all for Lotus to fall off, so they still perform equally. If both cards were introduced to a slower format like commander though then yes, Recall would be stronger.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 Yeah. Card advantage matters most in longer time-to-win formats, while burst mana matters most in shorter time-to-win formats. Turn 1 Island-recall is scary, but swamp-lotus-ritual-banehound-hatred literally wins the game instead.
I was waiting for this video ... but still ...I hope pot of greed came back to 1 and fix a lot of other decks and things in the game we love.
Because it would be nuts in any card game. If half the cards in your deck were Pots of Greed, you'd just draw your entire deck almost every game. I don't believe non-YGO players don't see why it's good. If Draw 2 Cards for 0 Mana existed in Magic or Hearthstone, it would be among the strongest cards in the game.
Btw, I don't play YGO, and I just incidentally saw it played on the YGO cartoon in 2005 at a friend's dorm, and I immediately recognized it was totally nuts.
At this point with the amount of draw cards available, as well as, searchers for just about everything.
They may as well limit pot of greed, not like people would play more than one anyway.
If only I knew what Pot of Greed does
Any card game where drawing an additional card makes something overpowered is not a good card game. I used to play Yu-Gi-Oh like 20 years ago (when it came out), and pot of greed was just a regular card. Granted, it was just among friends. Since I don't know much about the current state of the game, I'm guessing people used it to cheese games with some obscure combinations, but then I would think twice about creating these combinations in the first place, instead of banning one of the simplest and most iconic cards in the game.
???? It’s always been banned since the first ever banlist and will always be banned. If you had a brain you would realize that it was just used in the anime to increase cards being played, and a plus one for free in any game ever is overpowered.
@@duckgossip he hasn't played in 20 years and admits he doesn't know what the current game is like. That doesn't make him dumb or something. Hes just sharing his opinion based on what he remembers from the game. You dont have to be so mean
@@prodmoira anyone anywhere knows the free advantage is overpowered in any game
@@duckgossip well that's not true so
The literal POG video
Man I just want it because it's fun.
Banger follow up oomfie
4:45 there are decks that have the banish/remove from play effects as their main drive
especially with cards like Gren Maju Da Eiza, eater of Millions, soul absorption, dimensional fissure/macro cosmos, banisher of the light/radiance.
Necroface can actually get the cards shuffled back into the deck, so you can keep necroface on hand until you start to run out of deck
i love pot of desires for this very reason. banish ten, gain 5K LP, draw 2, banish 10 from extra deck, gain another 5K LP and special summon eater of millions, then normal summon gren maju, now with 8K ATT. or even better, put it face down, and let your opponent attack it, and they take like 5.5k dmg.
there is even a variant of this deck that runs some trains to fish out N77 Ravenous Tarantula, that adds attack to all your monsters based on the difference in LP between you and your opponent. so if you gained 10K LP, then all your monsters will have their base attack+10k. so for gren in this case he would have 18k ATT, because why not
and you
Yeah but a single piece of disruption and you are cooked. Plus banish for cost so ash ruins it. It’s mainly used in decks that don’t care about searching from the deck too much like sword soul or strikers, banish 10 is a steep cost
@@duckgossip ash ruins the draw, sure. but usually i don't even care about the draw, it is just a nice bonus. the banish 10 is just 5K LP and a 4K gren/eater of millions. the +2 is nice, but not critical to the green deck if you do it right. cost is not a cost if you build around it
i have had games where i had 45 cards in the banish. my entire extra deck, which i have just for banishing, unless i side the trains in, which is usually pretty dumb, and another 20 from my deck. no problems. i don't do that if i don't already have necroface on hand though, I'm not that dumb
well ash blossom is also in pretty much every single deck, so if that's ok I don't see why pot is a problem. Also, with 1000 negates on board turn 1 and hand traps and everything, you have a very small chance of that pot of greed actually working for you. If pot is legal, everyone is saving ash blossom for it. It just will not go off most of the time. And especially considering we have several cards now that can potentially be +5 (the draw until you have 6 cards effects) AND those have additional effects, it's highly unreasonable for pot to be banned. Even at 2 copies idk if it would make that much of a difference.
Ash Blossom is a hard once per turn, so if players ash the pot, that means the rest of the combo is now protected. Don't forget people use called by the grave for that exact reason: to negate an ash so their combo is protected. However called by the grave does nothing if the opponent doesn't have an ash in their hand. Pot of greed is gamebreaking if they don't.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 ash is one thing. There are other cards and especially going 2nd, pot never goes off. We play with friends and use banned cards sometimes, and even against the old AIs in ygo omega, pot of greed resolves like 10% of the time at most and since it has no graveyard effect or archetype support or anything, its just a dud. Whereas another card may get negated, but it has a 2nd effect in the grave, you can fetch another copy with another card, recycle it, etc.
If we couldnt resolve pot almost ever anymore, neither can pro players. At this stage, if you resolve it, great +, possibly game winning, but most of the time you won't and it will just be 1 effect that wastes a card in your hand, possibly game losing. Its a risk-reward.
@@TheMusicalPotatoesyou resolve it, get free advantage and win. What is it with yugidiots and “I unbanned cards and it wasn’t good” it was good it was just there are other better banned cards.
@@TheMusicalPotatoes first off pro players can still easily resolve it, and second pot of greed as going two will still bait out a negate. Omni negates are generally hard once per turns, so even if an opponent sets up two or three negates, baiting out one of them will protect your own turn.
@@nicolaistuhlmuller8718 in modern yugioh its quite normal to have a ton of negates on board. And again, usually modern cards have several effects so a negate hurts them less. Pot of greed has nothing extra and cant be used for much else. But you dont have to believe me, just try it and see how often it works for you. Pot will basically always be negated, if you even draw it.
Also "bait out a negate" is a horrible argument. You can do that with any card
As a Magic gathering and Hearthstone player, Pot of Greed seems like the best card in the game. 3 mana is worth drawing 2 cards, so why wouldn't a 0 mana card that draws 2 not be the most overplayed card ever.
The primary argument people use is that almost every card in Yugioh is a Demonic Tutor for 0 mana. But even that doesn't matter, because Pot of Greed just gets you 2 of THOSE cards instead of the 1 you would have had without Pot of Greed.
Whenever someone asks this in earnest I ask “why is a free +1 banned?”
I dunno, why are "opponent can't play" cards NOT banned?
They banned Pot of Greed, but not Pot of Weed, so me happy 🌿
it originally was banned due to the reason no one really knows what the card is doing and you have to read the awefully long text every time to remember its effect... What was it doing again?
How unreasonable would it be to tie a deckbuilding/turn restriction to the effect?
"Activate only if your starting deck contained 50+ cards"
Or
"You cannot activate this card during your first (or second?) turn" / "you cannot activate this card unless your opponent has completed their first / second turn"
It would still be strong, especially the "50+" cards one, but these kinds of conditions might help lower the rate of hitting your starters or reduce the odds that it contributes to more explosive starts? The deckbuilding restriction is harder to implement with paper games, but the turn restriction could be a space to explore? Just to throw a couple ideas out there
it would be pointless.
reminder that grass was banned because it encouraged ineficient deck building for the sake of dumping grave effects and its only counter was to also build a 60 card deck.
Because itd allow me TO DRAW THREE ADDITIONAL CARDS FROM MY DECK
ROLL MY DICE!
MY TURN !
Pot of greed is banned as a protest against corporate America.
Most retsrded reason ever 😂
But its Konami... who are greedy as can be. So it doesnt seem far off @Herr_Brechmann
Draw 2 cards but loss your turn?
If I could remake a pot of greed I would make it to a two turn card that gives you two cards. To explain in detail you basically play end it immediately gives you one card back and in the next turn it will give you one more card which would give it good counter play as it could be dispelled and if you want to make it even more potent you can just increase the amount of cards it gives and make every turn consecutively give one card, for example if it gives 3 cards it it stays on the field for 3 turns giving you one card per turn which equates to getting two cards instead of one each turn, this would also give a niche to shard of greed giving it the niche of being a two turn two card giving spell which fills the place apart of greed but with a more balanced ability
Pot of Greed walked so that Professors Research, and Pokeball could run. - Pokémon TCG Pocket
Dude those cards are older than you
Bring it back for a laugh. It's busted but who cares at this point.
W take
It makes the game actively worse. Whoever draws it first has a gigantic advantage.
@@MrCmon113 Okay, but, and hear me out on this, YuGiOh was never about being balanced. I'm pretty sure you could normal summon Blue Eyes White Dragon in the beginning. Even if it's just for one tournament, it should be allowed for the love of absolute chaos.
Who needs pot of greed when you got max c
The problem with pot of greed is that it would be in every single deck. Konami has 0 problem with overpowered cards, half of their game is a garbagely balanced nightmare. Pot of greed would just be in EVERY single deck. And that promotes very lazy unfun deck building
Forgot to mention Shard of Greed, cont. spell that allows you to draw 2 after 2 turns.
Draw effects got even stronger since its release due to the introduction of hand traps.
Dancing around prospi I see. With the right archetype design philosophy, I could see a point in the future where Konami could limit PoG and have it not be problematic. We arguably have seen what that would look like with Tearlaments.
Prospi should be banned too. Just because one mistake exists doesn’t mean you need to bring back another one
@@MysticCouchPotato For where Yugioh is currently at, you are not wrong.
Even assuming prospi is ok, the reason would be because of its limitations. Unless we powercreep pot somehow the fact its generic makes it an auto include in every deck. The only exceptions ever are decks that can't run spells at all and decks that are already running better cards and have no room.
Tear runs pot too if pot exists. The only time they don't is in unlimited tournaments where they have the better resource cards at 3 copies.
@@Merilirem And that one example is enough to show us what it takes for PoG to not be a problem anymore.
@@AlphaSquadZero Every deck would be solitaire deck if we reach powercrept where PoG is not problem anymore.
Everyone always forgets my boi Wing Requital...
So true brother
the concept of a card being banned to me feels like its some ultra divine/evil power, that people are trying to keep sealed away from the world. because if unleashed. absolute havoc would be unleashed.
I'd want to unleash it, personally...
Yeah, but the power is, "Everyone stops having fun playing this game," so it's not really all that interesting.
Solar reacharge is pretty cool because a lot of lightsworn plays work best with more monsters in the graveyard, kinda like a vampire deck sort of
I truly believe the ONLY way that Pot of Greed could come back would be if the entire way decks are built changes to a point-buy system, which would require every one of the 10,000+ card to have a point value given to it which would be subject to change with each update.
So it's not exactly a likely situation.
Of if they updated the Banlist to be like it is in Duel Links
you could do it like Canadian Highlander where only certain cards have a point buy cost, effectively instead of banning/restricting cards you give them points instead, and cards that aren't problematic enough for this will cost 0 points
PoG is basically OP in its practical use because:
If you run the 40 deck minimum, you now practically have a 39 deck with a +1 draw (works out to a 38 deck at start.) Which works out to a +2.56% higher chance of drawing the needed card at a full deck, and that percentage only increases as the deck withers. So, early game it is less effective, but late game it is basically monstrously OP.
Not exactly. Starting with PoG in hand is basically starting with a 6 card opener in a 39 card deck. The probability of finding 1 or more of a card you have 3 of in a 40 card deck, in an opener that included PoG is approximately 40%. In order to reach that same 40% with a 5 card opener, your deck would need to be 33 or 34 cards. Your math is roughly correct for Upstart Goblin. Pot of Greed is significantly stronger.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 assuming you have three of them. Most cards if high tier are limited to 1 per deck, sometimes you can have two. But when I draw, I'm not looking for the weaker cards, but the card that's going to set up, or end the duel.
@@noneyabidness9644 The math literally gets more in favor of running PoG the fewer the number of the target card are in the deck. The probability of finding that 1 card in your PoG opener is 15.4%. Without PoG, you'd need a 32 card deck to reach those odds.
@@dontmisunderstand6041 I'm aware the odds get better the fewer cards there are, I stated as much. Did you not read what you're responding to?
@@noneyabidness9644 Yeah, you know people can literally see the words in this thread, and know for a fact you're lying right?
Why is this 11 minutes long
Tbf the part describing the actual reason is only like 40 seconds long
@@tzman215 how is that being fair there's literally no reason to stretch a video with this topic out to this length, especially when he's already discussed it before.
@@PeaceB58 There is a reason actually. The UA-cam algorithm prioritizes watch time above basically everything else so if you want to maximize your ad revenue and (even more importantly) get more of your videos recommended to viewers, you generally have to make your videos at least ten minutes long.
This video answers the question in the title near the beginning and then has a bunch of extra information there if you want it. Nothing forces you to stay if you don't want to.
To provide context. You can’t seriously be whining about that
@@TAJHADproductions every one of his videos is like this, just stretching shit out so it can have midroll ads and all that
A good way to balance it would be to create cards that are activated by your opponent drawing cards via a card effect. Like a trap card that says "when your opponent draws via a card effect, they discard their entire hand" or something. Normally such a card would be a pretty esoteric card and there'd be no real reason to use it, but if everyone had a Pot of Greed in their deck, the thought that any face-down card on your opponent's field could be "Landmine of Greed" or whatever and using Pot could totally bugger you would be enough of a cost I think.
Then they duster it, evenly or negate it. You don’t have to commit to pot the first play, terrible idea
@@duckgossip Then they've burned two cards just to keep the two cards Pot gives them, and it only cost you one card to do it, and now they're down one negate card they could have used to stop one of your other cards instead. That still works out in your favor, and it hasn't made Pot a bad card, just less valuable.
@ you use pot of greed, draw the trap, prevent their pot of greed and win. Very smart and very nice idea
It’s ridiculous how pog is banned but majority of decks have search effects so you can draw so many of the exact cards you need. Plus so many cards allow you to draw more with very little setup (sighs in maxx c)
Pot of greed being banned but Maxx C being ok is still wild to me tbh. Like every argument that applies to pot of greed being banned can be applied to Maxx C too. But konami just keeps the insect legal
This should tell you that Pot is perfectly fine to be unbanned, but the reasons it isn't have little to nothing to do with game balance (which this game doesn't have anyway).
Absolutely not.
MaxxC is good against certain decks, in certain metas. It can be used in a smart way and there's several ways to respond to it.
Pot of Greed is OP in pretty much any TCG, in and against any deck in any meta at any time and it gives zero opportunity for smart decision making, but simply gives a massive advantage to anyone drawing it first.
MaxxC is great game design, PoG is horrible game design.
pot of greed still has a better chance then graceful lol
Graceful wouldn't be in every deck, but it is more powerful than Pot in the decks that would want to play it. Pot, refusing to include it in a deck would be actively choosing to make your deck weaker. It's legitimately not possible for a deck to get weaker after adding Pot.
There is decks, metas, tcgs in which Graceful Charity would be bad.
There is pretty much no TCG in which PoG wouldn't be an auto-include. Bcs having cards on your hand is generally good in TCGs.
I agree with everything in this video, very well stated Mr. Zeef.
That being said unban pot of greed to 1.
I can’t believe drawing two cards is still such a massive advantage all these years and powercreep later.
Worth noting for Avarice is the shuffle 5 first actually usually ends up being a "downside" due to most cards being HOPT so any card you shuffle back is a "dead draw" off the top for the turn.
The simple reason: there's no reasonable situation in which drawing Pot of Greed is ever the less optimal draw compared to any other card in the deck (because you can always use Pot of Greed to hope for the card you wanted once again, but in better odds and 1 more card!). Literally any other card, such as the almighty king of banned cards Painful Choice, can be a card you may not want in your hand because you need something else. The lack of this drawback that every single other card has is Pot of Greed's strength.
Nope. I'll take a search any day over drawing 2.
@@quint2568 Why take 1 search when you can get that same search card + 1 more card through Pot of Greed?
@@_Vengeance_because it is random you may get a shit card compared to just searching.
@@KevinTriforce But so is your regular draw. So if you get Pot of Greed through your regular draw, now you got 2 chances to draw the good card rather than 1 chance (and the odds are even slightly better on top of that due to the 1-card thin). So you'd always be happy seeing Pot of Greed no matter how much you are hoping for a certain card. You never go "Ah crap, it's PoG instead of [card]". If you don't draw the card you wanted through PoG, you wouldn't have drawn it in PoG's place anyway.
@@KevinTriforce You can also never draw a single searcher at all in the entire game. By your own logic, that means searchers are worthless cards that you shouldn't include. Inherently, in order for your argument against Pot to be valid, you must necessarily also believe that searchers suck.
if it got released, pot of greed would see play in every deck, but in a tournament setting people most likely side it out when going second, because it would suck to have pot of greed in your hand instead of a handtrap or anything to interact with the opponent. And since baronne and borreload savage got banned it would probably still be ok to draw going second. Still, it loses to the most common handtrap, ash blossom.
Either ash the pot or ash the branded fusion I wonder which people would rather ash
Oh no! They ashed my pot of greed! Anyways OSS send Diabellstar?
Pot Of Greed did nothing wrong and deserves to be unbanned!
😂
Me immediately after seeing the title: "It's a free +1, and because nobody can decipher what it does."
There are only two ways to ever make pot of greed not an auto include in every single deck:
1. Print strictly better copies that draw even more cards to the point where the limiting factor in each deck becomes the number of functional game pieces they can fit in their essentially 60 card hand.
2. Print enough cards that consistently hard-punish spell cards or card draw. Think multiple handtraps that read "if your opponent has played a spell card or drawn more than one card this turn, you win the game".
Neither of these conditions are fun game design, but who knows - that's never stopped Konami before
Wait Im still confused about the Pot of Greed effect! Can you make a video only explain it?