Slower than mario attacks get stronger overtime instead of from the start so moves need to be hit 2 seconds after they are used (idk if the second one is correct) and u can use Mario instesd
3:58 I've heard it argued elsewhere on the internet that Mewtwo's low weight in Smash is a reference to how in his home series despite being a powerhouse Legendary Pokémon his Defense stat is noticeably lower than his Legendary peers. For anyone not familiar Pokémon's Defense stat is the stat that determines how much less than full damage it should take specifically from moves that make physical contact so it correlates to Smash's weight stat as that determines how easily it is launched aka it's survivability from attack. Do I personally believe this? Eh. I think it's an interesting take though.
I'd love to see Wadi (or anyone really) take Mewtwo and shake the competitive scene by committing fully to the character, like Skyjay with Incin or Peanut with Little Mac. I know it would mean limiting one's success, but everybody loves a low tier hero in this game. Edit: I forgot to mention, I also think Mewtwo is genuinely one of the coolest characters in the game. He has a very simple, yet clean visual design, and everything he does looks stylish, making him a really fun character to watch in bracket.
All the purple particle effects go crazy. Especially when a lot of characters have that like green spark type effect thing like with swordies. And then mewtwo goes and looks badass.
Mewtwo’s edgeguard is absurd. I remember when Ultimate first released I would dog people chasing them nearly to the damn blast zone if I had to so they couldn’t recover. With proper spacing and reads you can absolutely crap on people offstage.
The fact that this character is played so little comes from the fact that he's not intuitive imo. When as a newcomer you pick up a character, you expect them to behave in a certain way, which is not the case with his super floatiness, weird double jump, weird hurtbox and hitboxes. So this is the kind of character where you actually need to already have some knowledge of the game to minimize his weaknesses and abuse his strengths.
@@xdifficultviper9916 deep breathing is the only thing going for wft and it's such an easy mechanic to play around with wft's kit. It doesn't entail as much pressure as aura, kazuya rage, or arsene because of how mediocre wft's projectiles and attacks are
If someone put the time into Mewtwo that Bassmage put into Puff I firmly believe as a Puff/M2 main that Mewtwo could hit top 8 consistently and win a major.
They never should’ve changed Mewtwo from 4. The mechanics changes were enough. Minus his stupid airdodge, Smash 4 Mewtwo was a perfect mix of risk versus reward. It honestly feels like they looked at the Smash 4 tier list, threw their hands up, and said “oH hE’s OnlY nINE sPoTs AwAy fRoM BAyOneTtA. hE MuSt Be brOKeN.” And then nerfed him for no good reason.
I feel like Mewtwo getting a more substantial weight buff would be amazing for it. Sure, it would make it easier to combo, but its floatiness would help to offset that a bit, and it really would help Mewtwo go the distance in a multitude of other scenarios. Doesn’t even need to be a heavyweight. A mid-weight like Wadi brought up would be perfect (90 units would even match Mewtwo’s defense and special defense stats in the pokemon games)
Not that I'm a good player, so grain of salt, but in playing Mewtwo, I feel like it he was just a little shorter and a little heavier, he'd become a much more attractive pick. But the combo of large hurt box and super light just damns him. Seph too, regardless of their other strengths.
That's why I main Yoshi along side Mewtwo. He has a lot of Mewtwo's strengths, such as floaty, high offense, fast air mobility, + the things that Mewtwo needs, a smaller hitbox, and heavier weight. Yoshi you can get away with a lot of stuff because of his air speed and tiny hitbox + his weight, and you can more often turn your brain off. But he struggles against anyone that outranges him. That's where Mewtwo is my pick because of his long range tail, shadow balls and reflect. Both of the characters basic mechanics feel the same, but they're also kind of opposites.
All Mewtwo needs to be treated as a good character is a heavier weight (which would be more accurate anyways) and invulnerability on his tail hitbox during hit tail attacks. Some characters get invincibility on certain hitboxes during specific attacks, like Mario (his head has invulnerability during Up Smash). If Mewtwo had that he would be really good. I don't even think he needs to be shorter as he's a fairly tall Pokemon anyway. But I guess the design philosophy is that he can't be strong, fast, AND not be lightweight... :/
It's weight or the height. If he was smaller and this light he'd be better, because he'd be harder to hit. Or heavier for longevity. Mewtwo, Sephiroth and Ridley all got shafted in this aspect. It's the big body and light weight over the tail hurtbox.
I disagree. A heavy mewtwo would be combo food. I play peach and I would have a field day with that. Samus gets away with it because of zair, bomb and rockets on top of charge shot. Medium weight perhaps.
I think people consider Mewtwo hard to learn/play, because they have it in their mind that he's a camping character. Oh shadow ball is a core move, so I should play him passively. But I feel like he's closer to a rush down character honestly. With his shadow ball still being a massive threat from anywhere on the stage (or off for that matter).
Exactly. I never play Mewtwo as a zoner or camper, he does really well as a rush down. His big hitboxes and light weight makes it so the best option is to go on the offensive, and he has the speed and power to make it work. Shadow Ball is just an added benefit to make him more dangerous from a distance, and to bait the opponent into coming closer.
I know tunnel visioning is bad for character when you think of their weaknesses compared to their strengths but i feel like in mewtwo and sephiroth's case there is a point to be made that being big and light does not benefit a character as much as the game devs think it is. In seph's case in most matchups there is no way for him to get one wing when he is combo food and can die extremely early and the same goes for mewtwo who is meant to be this well balanced all around glass cannon of a character when he doesnt get a chance most of the time to push his crazy power and explode. But thats my thoughts and wadi if you see this try changing my mind lol
8:34 holy thats me, fun fact that was my first torurnament as a m2 main (dropping wolf), crazy nervous cus i didnt played in tournament since covid started also wadi was my inspiration to play my soul main, love from MX
I think the main reason that he isn’t played is that he just feels awkward when playing as him for a newcomer. From his disadvantage to the way he moves, he’s so damn floaty.
Mewtwo is so fun. Thick thighs saves lives!!!! Also. Yes very underated but, mainly because. Something that I noticed in a lot of the newer smash players these days. People still play this game on a surface level and, are missing out on a lot of the psychological side of the game. With Mewtwo's kit. When playing him. It feels like your playing a psychic Pokemon. Could just be me. But Mewtwo reads just feel easy. Like his move set makes hard reads easier.
Gonna preface this by saying I love Wadi's Mewtwo; he brings a good amount of style and fundies to the character. But I think he's honestly accurately rated. I think one trend we're seeing in the meta is that consistency matters a lot. And unfortunately, hurtboxes matter a lot too (Joker, Pikachu). Mewtwo's size/hurtbox and his relatively low weight just make the margin for error that much slimmer. So many characters have such damaging advantage states and player execution is only getting better. I didn't play Smash 4, but I can only imagine if Mewtwo had been dlc in this game (invulnerability on his tail no doubt)
I think mewtwo is underrated. It's not that he's incredible, just that people think he's way worse than he is. Sure, he has a lot of flaws, but in exchange, he has great recovery, and almost all of his attacks are significant threats.
I wonder how Mewtwo player view Mewtwo down b and side b. I recently picked him up but feel like whenever I land the down b the risk-return would be better if I just did raw d-smash instead. Similar for side b, I think side b is useful for stalling in air for landing mixup/edgeguarding and reflecting projectiles, but I don't really understand why Mewtwo players sometimes run up and side b. If they're gonna read the opponent's shield isn't it just better to grab?
Side b is really good when you get someone on a platform. People like to shield cause they think they're gonna get hit and you can invalidate that. Oh also like run up side b you can try and go for a read on an air dodge or you can shield and go for a read and try and punish
There's frame 10 intangibility/greater range on disable Confusion is less of a committal option than grab and can be used reactively. Also the high reward that is is Disable > fsmash is nice, if not disable > combo.
Wadi actually inspired me to play Mewtwo, more specifically when he released his video of barely charged shadowball into disable... big funny Haha. The hardest part about learning Mewtwo, for me at least, was his floaty jumps and stuff. I mean yes, I get bodied sometimes, but next stock, I body my opponent right back 😎 TY Wadi, for being the GOAT
Mewtwo is for sure underrated. He's not hard to play and he's really good... I've literally NEVER experienced a time where I had to stop and think "That tail hitbox is awful." He just in general has a big hitbox, and its fairly rare for the tail hitbox to directly ruin a game.
I’m glad Vars is getting more attention from Smash UA-camrs. He brings up pretty good points about every character he talks about. Also love watching the Mewtwo in action Wadi
I think Mewtwo is massively underrated. I think his tail hurtbox is indeed why a lot of players may try him out but drop him eventually. Sure it's not that much of a "weakness" as people make itout to be but when the tail does lose you a match it hurts. I definitely thing more people should give him a try tho. He's fun as hell.
I watched the video when it came out and had similar thoughts. Mewtwo is seriously underrated, and I will always push for more rep of the character on the competitive scene. You do have to play him a bit different than the usual play style of the current meta, which is why I think a lot of people don't want to try him out. Also, I am probably just not good at the game, but as a Mewtwo main, I do think he's harder to learn than a lot of the cast, but he's so satisfying to play well.
Lucas and Mewtwo ARE in a similar place though. Both are super overlooked but are really really good when you actually learn them. Lucas is just, a bit harder to master lol.
Tbh Wadi, when Panda was around and I discovered who you were, seeing how good of a mewtwo you were made me feel like I was doing a smart thing since I started playing mewtwo myself when the game came out. He's just a great character 👏
To this point I want custom specials back, mewtwo could have the coolest replacement for disable and that would be defense swap, switching the weight value between him and the opponent.
As someone for whom Mewtwo is the most popular of my mains, I enjoyed that this video felt like WaDi complimenting me for 10 minutes And yeah, that tail box basically never comes up for me besides when I'm using it for an attack and get beat out
As a mewtwo player (I haven't decided if I should main him or G&W) I've never had too much of a problem with his weight or his tail hurtbox. I also watch Vars III pretty consistently and his video helped me play mewtwo a bit better.
I can never drop MewPoo sadly, he's just too fun I'll stick it out though because in the right hands he's so powerful in neutral and advantage, once I stop spending the whole game in his shitty disadvantage I'll make progress I'm sure 😤
If we want Mewtwo to be ranked higher on the next tier list whenever it is released then wadi has to play him more at majors and super majors and get really good results often to make him higher
Blue M2 was best in smash 4, but they changed the tints of all M2 alts in SSBU so now it's just not the same pretty blue. All colors got more pastel and as blue skin got worse, some others got better like green.
I love Mewtwo offline for just playing with my friends. In my opinion he's a better Lucario, he can hit hard and also even though it's rare you can stun with down b or always let people chase you by teleporting
Lool kinda agree with the lucas comment , as a lucas main you do have to think differently and both characters are underated , crazy peaks but hard to solo main
My main is sheik. I'm not dropping sheik for anything. But I normally play swordies in other games. I like mewtwo a lot, but I prefer to have a main and a secondary over having two secondaries. Maybe I'll pick up mewtwo for matches I want to be campy for, but I can't justify that to myself.
Weight in Smash is closer to defence than actual weight, so it makes sense that mewtwo’s low physical defence gets turned into low weight. Even if it hurts
I've always thought mewtoo was a really cool and fun character definitely underrated. He's got some really cool pressure with shadowball and really fun moves to use. He also has cool potential movement mixups with double jump cancels and b reverses tho I don't know how useful these could be if brought to their full potential. I also feel like if you get hit by the tail that is often times you're fault but I do understand that it is rough.
I'm a mewtwo main. Something I don't think I've seen Wadi do is the double jump fair or Nair from ledge. It utilizes mewtwos 2nd jump to basically for a quick attack and also gets you out of range for a retaliation. It's super easy tech and much better than mewtwos jump fair from ledge in my opinion. Also, I've found slingshot to be really helpful at reducing tail hit box and punishing opponents for trying to hit it
Literally only a minute in so far, so maybe you'll address this, but there's 2 instances where the tail hurt box is simply BS. 1 is when you run in and out to try and bait an attack, but he sticks his tail so far behind him that you get caught anyway. I think the only other character that might have to deal with that is Charizard. But he's way heavier so it isn't as detrimental. And 2 is you can't reliably use it as a way to get back into stage. Using a back air or up air on people who are trying to 2 frame is super useful. But there's been countless times where I got spiked because they hit the tail instead. Whereas, if I was a sword user, that wouldn't have been an issue at all. At worst, the attacks would have just stopped each other. If Mewtwo wasn't a big hitbox in general and one of the lightest characters in the game, then the tail wouldn't be as big an issue. But all 3 of these combined can result in some really BS feeling deaths
Vars channel is excellent! I enjoy mewtwo alot floating around and annoying my friends is hilarious. Mewtwos lore accurate weight being the same as Francis Ngannou is kinda funny actually, but weird how light weight he is smash.
but Mr.Wadi sir, please explain why you think Mewtwo is on the easier side of characters to learn? When you gotta have above average positioning and pro tier, lighting fast decision making to perform adequately? Plus reaching Mewtwo's potential is crazy nuts bonkers! You'd need to do stuff like mastering teleport cancels
As someone that plays mewtwo exclusively, I do agree w the struggle regarding characs that have intangible/disjoints. Sword characters like Marth with 6-7frames of bairfair gives me online ptsd 😭
Mewtwo is my main since smash 4 and people definitely sleep on him. He has good strengths but also severe weaknesses. I am so thankful to you Wadi to give back what this character deserved.
I don't think at all that M2 is an easy character to learn. M2 on an advanced level has so many unique and, when mastered, overpowered options, techs, movements and combos. And the fact that most M2 players sadly don't utilize M2's "full potential" proves that point. Because whenever I watch even high level M2 players, they often specialize only in a specific strength of M2, leaving some of M2's other strengths underdeveloped. You, WaDi, for example (and I say this respectfully) mastered neutral, ledge-trapping and fundamentals, but your combo game, techs and movements could still improve quite a bit. ofc I'm not saying you're bad in those areas, pls don't get that wrong lul, in fact you already have improved in those areas tremendously over the last couple years, but I think there's still more room for optimization. And the same is true for other high level M2 players, not gonna drop any names, but I know M2 players who have mastered M2's unique movements, but their punish-game and combos are sometimes lacking. Or M2 players, among whom I'd perhaps categorize myself, who use the more advanced techs and combos, but lack the high level neutral, fundies and patience like your M2. I'm not saying M2 is the hardest character or anything, but, considering M2 vastly underutilized potential, I definitely think M2 is more on the harder side rather than the easy side.
I mean how many Mewtwo's do tp ledge cancel as consistent and palu players? And yeah footstool disable and idj combos seem underutilized as well. Easyish to pick up much harder to optimize on that level.
I don't think he's underrated or overrated, most people put him in upper mid tier and I think that's where he belongs. His only high level results are just Wadi being godlike, and even that has shown its limits since we've seen more ROB usage (and other random characters) as time went on. I wouldn't say Mewtwo's really hard to play either, his basic gameplan is easy to apply, but I also think he requires you to play better and smarter than most characters in this game... But even by doing that you aren't rewarded a lot, you just get a chance to win against people that are mashing their broken tools until it works. However I disagree that all he needs is good players picking him up, every top Mewtwo's from smash 4 have tried him and all of them (except Wadi) ended up dropping him, probably because he's not good enough/inconsistent/frustrating or unrewarding to play. Even Leo played him that one time, won against Tweek then never used him again. Oryon did decent results in France with the character for a little bit, just to drop him and play freakin Doc instead. Also there's a weakness that is very rarely mentioned but is imo a pretty annoying one, and it's his lack of good anti air tools, Dabuz explained that pretty well in one of his videos. If you compare him with Samus, both can condition jumps pretty well with their projectile, but Samus is very good at covering them, while for Mewtwo it's more of a commitment, and he doesn't have a great oos option either so it can be annoying to deal with good aerial approaches.
I will never not get sick of people comparing mewtwo to samus. yes they both have charge shot and yes they both condition for jump. Those two things are true for both characters. The issue I have is that this is where the similarities end. If people want to pretend that this makes the characters the same thing and that since samus is better on a tier list that there is zero reason to play mewtwo be my guest, but they would be very wrong. Mewtwo has a ton of strengths that samus does not have. Mewtwo can edge guard VERY deep off stage and still recover before the opponent makes it back if you miss the edge guard due to his insane teleport. One could say well sure thats true but samus has one of the best ledge traps in the game so samus doesnt need to go off stage. Good point! unfortunately for those people they do not realize just how potent Mewtwo is at also ledge trapping. Unlike samus (not dark samus) shadow ball hits the ledge when spaced right and forces a quick option from ledge which can be easily punished by throwing shadow ball early to catch the option or by simply calling it out with some other option depending on what they choose. This means that mewtwo is very good at getting easy early kills by edge guarding and is really good at also keeping them offstage to try over and over again making Mewtwo overall better in this situation than samus is. lets not forget either that in neutral mewtwo has something he can do with shadow ball that samus does not have an option with charge shot, double jump cancels. Having a dj cancel allows M2 to fake an opponent into thinking m2 will go really high but instead of that M2 will actually just stay in the same place he was in and get to charge more sb. The list goes on and on from here and I dont have all day but my point is that the comparison between characters starts and ends with the fact they both have a charge shot.
@@trevorhannan6428 Please make paragraphs bro I'm not gonna read all that... Anyways I never said Mewtwo was just the same as Samus, of course they don't have the exact same strengths and weaknesses (although Samus is definitely the better choice of the two)... But I stil think it's fair to compare them since they have a similar gameplan and rely a lot on their charge shot. Notice how I didn't use like, Wii Fit for the comparison because they don't play the same at all even though they have a charge shot, but Samus makes sense. And I did not compare every single one of their tools either, but just one thing that makes sense as well considering the gameplan they share.
Nah I just don’t like how m2 feels to play, certain characters don’t feel right to me, m2 is one of them and it’s a combination of his floatyness and movement speed
I was labbing mewtwo the other day and he does feel clean when you get used to his double jump. He has some sauce for sure, but I think the answer to why you would actually play him is just because you like mewtwo.
all of this is exactly what i was saying since the beginning of smash ultimate 100%. people were just spoiled with smash4 m2, that's why nobody plays him. same with cloud back then, until sparg0 showed up. i know people who didn't believe me are gonna be like "mhm mhm, yea, true, true 🤔" now. acting like they understand
The reason why players don't use Mewtwo is because of his hurtboxes and weight. Mewtwo as the height of a heavyweight, but the weight of a small character. These two factors are very unfavorable to have, especially when considering his tail is also a hurtbox and doesn't have many disjointed hitboxes because of that. Compare that to another character with similar attributes, Sephiroth, who has a very thin hurtbox and has large, disjointed hitboxes thanks to his sword.
Mmmmm you do know gravity doesn’t apply to him right? He floats with his mind and that stops him from weighing much cause he spends most his time in the air.
I'm a casual who mains Mewtwo and is looking for a good secondary to cover some annoying matchups. I know there's a lot to be said for solo maining but I love switching characters anyway. I usually play heavies for fun, but they don't help with M2's matchup spread. I've been leaning toward Greninja because I heard he's good against swordies, but who else (not Pika or Palu) might be a fun secondary for Mewtwo's rough matchups?
My second main is rosalina. Why cause i wanna see em even more confused. It works nobody plays rosalina nobody and i mean abselutly nobody plays her so nobody knows how to play against her. She also has a very high skill sceling so you can always improve.
Thanks again for letting me interview you at EON Wadi! :D
Why nobody plays doc cuz our character is high mid tier excellence
Slower than mario attacks get stronger overtime instead of from the start so moves need to be hit 2 seconds after they are used (idk if the second one is correct) and u can use Mario instesd
“Mewtwo doesn’t lose to childhood obesity.” is what I’m going to repeat to myself at the beginning of any set against Ness.
3:58 I've heard it argued elsewhere on the internet that Mewtwo's low weight in Smash is a reference to how in his home series despite being a powerhouse Legendary Pokémon his Defense stat is noticeably lower than his Legendary peers. For anyone not familiar Pokémon's Defense stat is the stat that determines how much less than full damage it should take specifically from moves that make physical contact so it correlates to Smash's weight stat as that determines how easily it is launched aka it's survivability from attack. Do I personally believe this? Eh. I think it's an interesting take though.
"Cloud's really doable."
-WaDi, 2023
If not for that hair I'd smash for sure
I'd love to see Wadi (or anyone really) take Mewtwo and shake the competitive scene by committing fully to the character, like Skyjay with Incin or Peanut with Little Mac. I know it would mean limiting one's success, but everybody loves a low tier hero in this game.
Edit: I forgot to mention, I also think Mewtwo is genuinely one of the coolest characters in the game. He has a very simple, yet clean visual design, and everything he does looks stylish, making him a really fun character to watch in bracket.
All the purple particle effects go crazy. Especially when a lot of characters have that like green spark type effect thing like with swordies. And then mewtwo goes and looks badass.
NotBae in competitive scene would def be interesting
@@Ciqarettan ong
Mewtwo’s edgeguard is absurd. I remember when Ultimate first released I would dog people chasing them nearly to the damn blast zone if I had to so they couldn’t recover. With proper spacing and reads you can absolutely crap on people offstage.
NAH "mewtwo doesn't lose to childhood obesity" That actually killed me. I am dead in the street mama on the porch crying on the news.
The fact that this character is played so little comes from the fact that he's not intuitive imo. When as a newcomer you pick up a character, you expect them to behave in a certain way, which is not the case with his super floatiness, weird double jump, weird hurtbox and hitboxes. So this is the kind of character where you actually need to already have some knowledge of the game to minimize his weaknesses and abuse his strengths.
I genuinely think that your Mewtwo and WFT together could really shake up the meta
I have a lot of respect for WFT players because that character is hot garbage
@@ahhdi0 I mean yes but no, deep breathing is kinda cracked and would make any character significantly “better” than they are
@@ahhdi0 without deep breathing? Yes, with deep breathing she goes up like a tier and a half
@@xdifficultviper9916 deep breathing is the only thing going for wft and it's such an easy mechanic to play around with wft's kit. It doesn't entail as much pressure as aura, kazuya rage, or arsene because of how mediocre wft's projectiles and attacks are
If someone put the time into Mewtwo that Bassmage put into Puff I firmly believe as a Puff/M2 main that Mewtwo could hit top 8 consistently and win a major.
Mewtwo doesn’t lose against childhood obesity had me dying lmao
If Mewtwo was just a little bit heavier, he would be high-tier
Thats my only issue with him haha
Mewtwo is LITERALLY HEAVIER THAN CHARIZARD
(Canonically)
Make M2 even heavier but still floaty and he would be at least B tier. Thats all he really needs
Bruh. He's 269lbs. How heavier do you want em?????
They never should’ve changed Mewtwo from 4. The mechanics changes were enough. Minus his stupid airdodge, Smash 4 Mewtwo was a perfect mix of risk versus reward. It honestly feels like they looked at the Smash 4 tier list, threw their hands up, and said “oH hE’s OnlY nINE sPoTs AwAy fRoM BAyOneTtA. hE MuSt Be brOKeN.” And then nerfed him for no good reason.
I feel like Mewtwo getting a more substantial weight buff would be amazing for it. Sure, it would make it easier to combo, but its floatiness would help to offset that a bit, and it really would help Mewtwo go the distance in a multitude of other scenarios. Doesn’t even need to be a heavyweight. A mid-weight like Wadi brought up would be perfect (90 units would even match Mewtwo’s defense and special defense stats in the pokemon games)
Not that I'm a good player, so grain of salt, but in playing Mewtwo, I feel like it he was just a little shorter and a little heavier, he'd become a much more attractive pick. But the combo of large hurt box and super light just damns him. Seph too, regardless of their other strengths.
That's why I main Yoshi along side Mewtwo. He has a lot of Mewtwo's strengths, such as floaty, high offense, fast air mobility, + the things that Mewtwo needs, a smaller hitbox, and heavier weight. Yoshi you can get away with a lot of stuff because of his air speed and tiny hitbox + his weight, and you can more often turn your brain off. But he struggles against anyone that outranges him. That's where Mewtwo is my pick because of his long range tail, shadow balls and reflect. Both of the characters basic mechanics feel the same, but they're also kind of opposites.
@@hangry3102 Playing yoshi makes me feel like a 5 year old, but that's because i miss old Yoshi
All Mewtwo needs to be treated as a good character is a heavier weight (which would be more accurate anyways) and invulnerability on his tail hitbox during hit tail attacks. Some characters get invincibility on certain hitboxes during specific attacks, like Mario (his head has invulnerability during Up Smash). If Mewtwo had that he would be really good. I don't even think he needs to be shorter as he's a fairly tall Pokemon anyway.
But I guess the design philosophy is that he can't be strong, fast, AND not be lightweight... :/
I always said Mewtwo's bigger downside than the tail was the weight. Give him Samus's weight and that would help a lot for the character by itself.
It's weight or the height. If he was smaller and this light he'd be better, because he'd be harder to hit. Or heavier for longevity. Mewtwo, Sephiroth and Ridley all got shafted in this aspect. It's the big body and light weight over the tail hurtbox.
I disagree. A heavy mewtwo would be combo food. I play peach and I would have a field day with that. Samus gets away with it because of zair, bomb and rockets on top of charge shot. Medium weight perhaps.
@@gj4312does not matter. Peach still loses to super heavyweights so hes just getting his point proven
I love seeing Wadis competitive Mewtwo he makes the character look so cool
I think people consider Mewtwo hard to learn/play, because they have it in their mind that he's a camping character. Oh shadow ball is a core move, so I should play him passively.
But I feel like he's closer to a rush down character honestly. With his shadow ball still being a massive threat from anywhere on the stage (or off for that matter).
He's bait and punish I think but yeah Mewtwo's speed really helps close the distance or chase after people.
Exactly. I never play Mewtwo as a zoner or camper, he does really well as a rush down. His big hitboxes and light weight makes it so the best option is to go on the offensive, and he has the speed and power to make it work. Shadow Ball is just an added benefit to make him more dangerous from a distance, and to bait the opponent into coming closer.
I know tunnel visioning is bad for character when you think of their weaknesses compared to their strengths but i feel like in mewtwo and sephiroth's case there is a point to be made that being big and light does not benefit a character as much as the game devs think it is. In seph's case in most matchups there is no way for him to get one wing when he is combo food and can die extremely early and the same goes for mewtwo who is meant to be this well balanced all around glass cannon of a character when he doesnt get a chance most of the time to push his crazy power and explode. But thats my thoughts and wadi if you see this try changing my mind lol
8:34 holy thats me, fun fact that was my first torurnament as a m2 main (dropping wolf), crazy nervous cus i didnt played in tournament since covid started also wadi was my inspiration to play my soul main, love from MX
I think the main reason that he isn’t played is that he just feels awkward when playing as him for a newcomer. From his disadvantage to the way he moves, he’s so damn floaty.
Mewtwo is so fun. Thick thighs saves lives!!!! Also. Yes very underated but, mainly because. Something that I noticed in a lot of the newer smash players these days. People still play this game on a surface level and, are missing out on a lot of the psychological side of the game. With Mewtwo's kit. When playing him. It feels like your playing a psychic Pokemon. Could just be me. But Mewtwo reads just feel easy. Like his move set makes hard reads easier.
Mewtwo's strengths: His front side
Mewtwo's weaknesses: His back side
Gonna preface this by saying I love Wadi's Mewtwo; he brings a good amount of style and fundies to the character. But I think he's honestly accurately rated.
I think one trend we're seeing in the meta is that consistency matters a lot. And unfortunately, hurtboxes matter a lot too (Joker, Pikachu). Mewtwo's size/hurtbox and his relatively low weight just make the margin for error that much slimmer. So many characters have such damaging advantage states and player execution is only getting better.
I didn't play Smash 4, but I can only imagine if Mewtwo had been dlc in this game (invulnerability on his tail no doubt)
I think mewtwo is underrated. It's not that he's incredible, just that people think he's way worse than he is. Sure, he has a lot of flaws, but in exchange, he has great recovery, and almost all of his attacks are significant threats.
Smash creators should have bigger following, there is a lot happening in smash games
slingshot did add another dimension of fun into mewtwo
I've always thought Mewtwo is really good and much better than anyone has him on their tier lists.
I wonder how Mewtwo player view Mewtwo down b and side b. I recently picked him up but feel like whenever I land the down b the risk-return would be better if I just did raw d-smash instead.
Similar for side b, I think side b is useful for stalling in air for landing mixup/edgeguarding and reflecting projectiles, but I don't really understand why Mewtwo players sometimes run up and side b. If they're gonna read the opponent's shield isn't it just better to grab?
Side b is really good when you get someone on a platform. People like to shield cause they think they're gonna get hit and you can invalidate that.
Oh also like run up side b you can try and go for a read on an air dodge or you can shield and go for a read and try and punish
@@straightnochase8078 Oh right, I can see how side b can be useful at poking the opponent when they're stuck on the platform and shielding. Thanks!
@@kosuken9055 happy to help
There's frame 10 intangibility/greater range on disable
Confusion is less of a committal option than grab and can be used reactively.
Also the high reward that is is Disable > fsmash is nice, if not disable > combo.
Wadi actually inspired me to play Mewtwo, more specifically when he released his video of barely charged shadowball into disable... big funny Haha. The hardest part about learning Mewtwo, for me at least, was his floaty jumps and stuff. I mean yes, I get bodied sometimes, but next stock, I body my opponent right back 😎 TY Wadi, for being the GOAT
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Mewtwo is for sure underrated. He's not hard to play and he's really good... I've literally NEVER experienced a time where I had to stop and think "That tail hitbox is awful." He just in general has a big hitbox, and its fairly rare for the tail hitbox to directly ruin a game.
just cause you don’t notice doesn’t mean it’s not true, it’s a very consistent problem when dashing or jumping away
I’m glad Vars is getting more attention from Smash UA-camrs. He brings up pretty good points about every character he talks about.
Also love watching the Mewtwo in action Wadi
Fixed hurt box + increased weight makes Mewtwo a high tier. Easy fixes.
I think Mewtwo is massively underrated.
I think his tail hurtbox is indeed why a lot of players may try him out but drop him eventually. Sure it's not that much of a "weakness" as people make itout to be but when the tail does lose you a match it hurts.
I definitely thing more people should give him a try tho. He's fun as hell.
Picked up mewtwo recently. I think he’s very underrated
I watched the video when it came out and had similar thoughts. Mewtwo is seriously underrated, and I will always push for more rep of the character on the competitive scene. You do have to play him a bit different than the usual play style of the current meta, which is why I think a lot of people don't want to try him out. Also, I am probably just not good at the game, but as a Mewtwo main, I do think he's harder to learn than a lot of the cast, but he's so satisfying to play well.
Lucas and Mewtwo ARE in a similar place though. Both are super overlooked but are really really good when you actually learn them. Lucas is just, a bit harder to master lol.
Tbh Wadi, when Panda was around and I discovered who you were, seeing how good of a mewtwo you were made me feel like I was doing a smart thing since I started playing mewtwo myself when the game came out. He's just a great character 👏
What guitar is that back there? And I love Mewtwo. My only complaint about him is that he lacks his Lab Experiment Armor from the original movie.
Wadi trying so hard to prove that his character is good
Edit the comment so it mentions his pedo behavior that way it looks like he hearted it lol
@@mortyrickerson6322 your not funny man, we are gonna lose content from this guy because of what happened.
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Making Mewtwo top tier
1. Remove tail hit box
2. Increase his weight a lot
He definitely fits the glass cannon archetype.
To this point I want custom specials back, mewtwo could have the coolest replacement for disable and that would be defense swap, switching the weight value between him and the opponent.
As someone for whom Mewtwo is the most popular of my mains, I enjoyed that this video felt like WaDi complimenting me for 10 minutes
And yeah, that tail box basically never comes up for me besides when I'm using it for an attack and get beat out
"The character looks fun but when I played is meh". Damn that's literally me lol
1:50. That's crazy cause mine was pound 2019 lol. I love that series.
As a mewtwo player (I haven't decided if I should main him or G&W) I've never had too much of a problem with his weight or his tail hurtbox. I also watch Vars III pretty consistently and his video helped me play mewtwo a bit better.
I can never drop MewPoo sadly, he's just too fun
I'll stick it out though because in the right hands he's so powerful in neutral and advantage, once I stop spending the whole game in his shitty disadvantage I'll make progress I'm sure 😤
If we want Mewtwo to be ranked higher on the next tier list whenever it is released then wadi has to play him more at majors and super majors and get really good results often to make him higher
Blue M2 was best in smash 4, but they changed the tints of all M2 alts in SSBU so now it's just not the same pretty blue. All colors got more pastel and as blue skin got worse, some others got better like green.
You and Aba were the BEST Mewtwo's in the Smash 4 days. My favorite moments from that game came from both of you.
Ah the sins of Smash 4 came for Mewtwo.
Edit: Doesn't slingshot help with that tail hurtbox?
C'mon Mewtwo is like a quick sword character, with a great projectile, unique tools, he's ultra cool
I love Mewtwo offline for just playing with my friends. In my opinion he's a better Lucario, he can hit hard and also even though it's rare you can stun with down b or always let people chase you by teleporting
Lool kinda agree with the lucas comment , as a lucas main you do have to think differently and both characters are underated , crazy peaks but hard to solo main
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Good vid
You have encouraged me to played mewtwo and recently, ROB
I never understood why people say a character is too floaty and it's a bad thing
My main is sheik. I'm not dropping sheik for anything. But I normally play swordies in other games. I like mewtwo a lot, but I prefer to have a main and a secondary over having two secondaries. Maybe I'll pick up mewtwo for matches I want to be campy for, but I can't justify that to myself.
Weight in Smash is closer to defence than actual weight, so it makes sense that mewtwo’s low physical defence gets turned into low weight. Even if it hurts
"LOW"!? It's base 90!!!
...The real reason is much sillier; Sakurai said Mewtwo's light because he floats in the anime
@@TeeKayDee It's his lowest stat by a large margin. If you are gonna ask what his weakest stat is you'd say defence i.e weight
I've always thought mewtoo was a really cool and fun character definitely underrated. He's got some really cool pressure with shadowball and really fun moves to use. He also has cool potential movement mixups with double jump cancels and b reverses tho I don't know how useful these could be if brought to their full potential. I also feel like if you get hit by the tail that is often times you're fault but I do understand that it is rough.
I'm a mewtwo main. Something I don't think I've seen Wadi do is the double jump fair or Nair from ledge. It utilizes mewtwos 2nd jump to basically for a quick attack and also gets you out of range for a retaliation. It's super easy tech and much better than mewtwos jump fair from ledge in my opinion. Also, I've found slingshot to be really helpful at reducing tail hit box and punishing opponents for trying to hit it
Mewtwo has the best down smash and up smash in the game
Nah sephiros Solos mewotos upsmash. Cause money
Mewtwo tail hit box is like dk tie hit box it's bad but it isn't the thing that breaks the character
Literally only a minute in so far, so maybe you'll address this, but there's 2 instances where the tail hurt box is simply BS.
1 is when you run in and out to try and bait an attack, but he sticks his tail so far behind him that you get caught anyway. I think the only other character that might have to deal with that is Charizard. But he's way heavier so it isn't as detrimental.
And 2 is you can't reliably use it as a way to get back into stage. Using a back air or up air on people who are trying to 2 frame is super useful. But there's been countless times where I got spiked because they hit the tail instead. Whereas, if I was a sword user, that wouldn't have been an issue at all. At worst, the attacks would have just stopped each other.
If Mewtwo wasn't a big hitbox in general and one of the lightest characters in the game, then the tail wouldn't be as big an issue. But all 3 of these combined can result in some really BS feeling deaths
Vars channel is excellent!
I enjoy mewtwo alot floating around and annoying my friends is hilarious.
Mewtwos lore accurate weight being the same as Francis Ngannou is kinda funny actually, but weird how light weight he is smash.
In the pokemon series, Mewtwo is heavier than Charizard but not in Smash bros....
but Mr.Wadi sir, please explain why you think Mewtwo is on the easier side of characters to learn? When you gotta have above average positioning and pro tier, lighting fast decision making to perform adequately? Plus reaching Mewtwo's potential is crazy nuts bonkers! You'd need to do stuff like mastering teleport cancels
To be fair the same logic can be applied to any character that people think is bad
Melee Mewtwo looks cool as hell. Idk what you're smoking bro!
I love how wadi reacts to things
LEME SEE U PLAY DAT BASS
"This proves that the blue mewtwo is the best skin by far" probably because the red and green ones aren't in the game anymore.
If you're good at walking around glass, then it's not that bad bro
Mewtwo movement tech is underexplored
As someone that plays mewtwo exclusively, I do agree w the struggle regarding characs that have intangible/disjoints. Sword characters like Marth with 6-7frames of bairfair gives me online ptsd 😭
I feel like mewtwo is actually really simple to play pretty well
Mewtwo is my main since smash 4 and people definitely sleep on him. He has good strengths but also severe weaknesses. I am so thankful to you Wadi to give back what this character deserved.
i see those unused dumbbells near your shoes lol
You cant escape wadi
I miss the panda vids man the vids wadi, esam, marss and coney were the best
I don't think at all that M2 is an easy character to learn. M2 on an advanced level has so many unique and, when mastered, overpowered options, techs, movements and combos. And the fact that most M2 players sadly don't utilize M2's "full potential" proves that point. Because whenever I watch even high level M2 players, they often specialize only in a specific strength of M2, leaving some of M2's other strengths underdeveloped. You, WaDi, for example (and I say this respectfully) mastered neutral, ledge-trapping and fundamentals, but your combo game, techs and movements could still improve quite a bit. ofc I'm not saying you're bad in those areas, pls don't get that wrong lul, in fact you already have improved in those areas tremendously over the last couple years, but I think there's still more room for optimization.
And the same is true for other high level M2 players, not gonna drop any names, but I know M2 players who have mastered M2's unique movements, but their punish-game and combos are sometimes lacking. Or M2 players, among whom I'd perhaps categorize myself, who use the more advanced techs and combos, but lack the high level neutral, fundies and patience like your M2.
I'm not saying M2 is the hardest character or anything, but, considering M2 vastly underutilized potential, I definitely think M2 is more on the harder side rather than the easy side.
I mean how many Mewtwo's do tp ledge cancel as consistent and palu players? And yeah footstool disable and idj combos seem underutilized as well.
Easyish to pick up much harder to optimize on that level.
I'm not too great with mewtwo, but as a casual player, the combination of his body size + low weight seems more impactful then the tail hitbox
I’ve been waiting for a top player to pick up mewtwo, he’s not my main or anything but I think he’s cool
Just noticed that WaDi is a bass player. Great minds think alike my friend.
Update : Annnnd nvm I guess, like cmon bro
Most people in the smash ultimate community are like lemmings tbh.
I always play Mewtwo. So much fun leaping and smacking things with him when I've had an annoying day.
Mewtwo has no earthly business being as light as it is. Other than that, it's my favorite smash ultimate character to play by far.
I don’t play him because he feels clunky. It didn’t look like that was mentioned though
I don't think he's underrated or overrated, most people put him in upper mid tier and I think that's where he belongs. His only high level results are just Wadi being godlike, and even that has shown its limits since we've seen more ROB usage (and other random characters) as time went on.
I wouldn't say Mewtwo's really hard to play either, his basic gameplan is easy to apply, but I also think he requires you to play better and smarter than most characters in this game... But even by doing that you aren't rewarded a lot, you just get a chance to win against people that are mashing their broken tools until it works.
However I disagree that all he needs is good players picking him up, every top Mewtwo's from smash 4 have tried him and all of them (except Wadi) ended up dropping him, probably because he's not good enough/inconsistent/frustrating or unrewarding to play. Even Leo played him that one time, won against Tweek then never used him again. Oryon did decent results in France with the character for a little bit, just to drop him and play freakin Doc instead.
Also there's a weakness that is very rarely mentioned but is imo a pretty annoying one, and it's his lack of good anti air tools, Dabuz explained that pretty well in one of his videos. If you compare him with Samus, both can condition jumps pretty well with their projectile, but Samus is very good at covering them, while for Mewtwo it's more of a commitment, and he doesn't have a great oos option either so it can be annoying to deal with good aerial approaches.
I will never not get sick of people comparing mewtwo to samus. yes they both have charge shot and yes they both condition for jump. Those two things are true for both characters. The issue I have is that this is where the similarities end. If people want to pretend that this makes the characters the same thing and that since samus is better on a tier list that there is zero reason to play mewtwo be my guest, but they would be very wrong. Mewtwo has a ton of strengths that samus does not have. Mewtwo can edge guard VERY deep off stage and still recover before the opponent makes it back if you miss the edge guard due to his insane teleport. One could say well sure thats true but samus has one of the best ledge traps in the game so samus doesnt need to go off stage. Good point! unfortunately for those people they do not realize just how potent Mewtwo is at also ledge trapping. Unlike samus (not dark samus) shadow ball hits the ledge when spaced right and forces a quick option from ledge which can be easily punished by throwing shadow ball early to catch the option or by simply calling it out with some other option depending on what they choose. This means that mewtwo is very good at getting easy early kills by edge guarding and is really good at also keeping them offstage to try over and over again making Mewtwo overall better in this situation than samus is. lets not forget either that in neutral mewtwo has something he can do with shadow ball that samus does not have an option with charge shot, double jump cancels. Having a dj cancel allows M2 to fake an opponent into thinking m2 will go really high but instead of that M2 will actually just stay in the same place he was in and get to charge more sb. The list goes on and on from here and I dont have all day but my point is that the comparison between characters starts and ends with the fact they both have a charge shot.
@@trevorhannan6428 Please make paragraphs bro I'm not gonna read all that... Anyways I never said Mewtwo was just the same as Samus, of course they don't have the exact same strengths and weaknesses (although Samus is definitely the better choice of the two)... But I stil think it's fair to compare them since they have a similar gameplan and rely a lot on their charge shot. Notice how I didn't use like, Wii Fit for the comparison because they don't play the same at all even though they have a charge shot, but Samus makes sense. And I did not compare every single one of their tools either, but just one thing that makes sense as well considering the gameplan they share.
@@innocentshine2778 I like to call seph dlc mewtwo because they both have similar attributes
Wadi, when are you going to incorporate crazy Notbae schmoovement?
Nah I just don’t like how m2 feels to play, certain characters don’t feel right to me, m2 is one of them and it’s a combination of his floatyness and movement speed
I was labbing mewtwo the other day and he does feel clean when you get used to his double jump. He has some sauce for sure, but I think the answer to why you would actually play him is just because you like mewtwo.
He got cancelled
Should not have clicked on this video. Its making me want to pick up Mewtwo again
mewtwos forward throw being the highest single dmg throw is wrong, k rool upthrow does outright 20% without any rng shadowballs
all of this is exactly what i was saying since the beginning of smash ultimate 100%. people were just spoiled with smash4 m2, that's why nobody plays him. same with cloud back then, until sparg0 showed up. i know people who didn't believe me are gonna be like "mhm mhm, yea, true, true 🤔" now. acting like they understand
The reason why players don't use Mewtwo is because of his hurtboxes and weight. Mewtwo as the height of a heavyweight, but the weight of a small character. These two factors are very unfavorable to have, especially when considering his tail is also a hurtbox and doesn't have many disjointed hitboxes because of that. Compare that to another character with similar attributes, Sephiroth, who has a very thin hurtbox and has large, disjointed hitboxes thanks to his sword.
Wadi, your description says, “Ever why nobody plays Mewtwo.” It should be, “Ever wonder why nobody plays Mewtwo.”
Mmmmm you do know gravity doesn’t apply to him right? He floats with his mind and that stops him from weighing much cause he spends most his time in the air.
If i ever start playing smash, im definitely maining mewtwo since its my favourite pokemon, no cap.
Tail size doesn't matter. What matters is how you use it.
I'm a casual who mains Mewtwo and is looking for a good secondary to cover some annoying matchups. I know there's a lot to be said for solo maining but I love switching characters anyway. I usually play heavies for fun, but they don't help with M2's matchup spread. I've been leaning toward Greninja because I heard he's good against swordies, but who else (not Pika or Palu) might be a fun secondary for Mewtwo's rough matchups?
My second main is rosalina. Why cause i wanna see em even more confused. It works nobody plays rosalina nobody and i mean abselutly nobody plays her so nobody knows how to play against her. She also has a very high skill sceling so you can always improve.
@@beagrothus7916 A little bit of confusion-fu I see, very nice.
@@CodeNameMoniker haha best reply i have seen today