Johnny vs. Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent
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In today's episode, I'm back with more Mega Man, and we're in Nintendo DS territory! Mega Man goes dual screen with Mega Man ZX and ZX Advent
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Booty.
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Edit: Wait. Ciel (Sky) and Prairie? Alright.
When you said you'd be looking at these games, I immediately thought that the word "Booty" might be made as a joke, just judging by what I remembered from ZX Advent. I completely forgot about it. I saw this comment, with a link, and just assumed it was referencing merch. Then I realized...
It's like hearing a knock knock joke over and over again as a kid, forgetting about it, and being told that same joke as an adult.
Always a pleasure watching your videos. Still my favorite UA-camr, and more than likely will be for the foreseeable future.
You should review xenoblade series.
Booty.
ZX was very draining for me the first time as for everything great about the game, there’s just as much small annoying stuff that adds up. Like the Quest to get the Subtank in the Lava Area took me close to 2 hours because of how excessively excessive it was, easily the worst part of the Duology. ZX Advent fixed a lot of the issues ZX had, and while it still has issues, like the Rival Mega Men are all terrible characters because of how shallow they are especially when compared to the Guardians of Zero, the game was still a lot of fun. Other than the Secret Ending, I personally feel the ZX games work as a Duology
i really enjoy these 30-40 minutes videos. You should keep it this way for future video
There’s a line of dialogue in advent where apparently psudoroids regenerate over time when they’re destroyed, an in game explanation if you want to take on the bosses again for those medals
So yes, that indeed means
*Pseudoroids hide themselves while they repair themselves*
“Somehow, Fistleo came back again for the third time today”
Take my like stranger on the Internet!
Somehow, Chronoforce returned.
is that a reference?
@@Argonisgema
It's the excuse Zero gives for why he's back from the dead after the events of X5.
"I hid myself while I repaired myself:
14:07
If memory serves, the writer of the ZX games didn’t want to risk stepping on whatever plans Capcom had for Axl. Because the X8 cliffhanger wasn’t resolved at the time, Model A was designed in homage to Axl rather than making it directly connected to him. A nice sentiment, but given that we still don’t have an X9 I don’t know if it was the best move 😅
Yeah, he said he’s is like Axl, but he ain’t Axl. Model A’s plate on his head is based on the idea if Axl had to replace it after being K.O. by Lumine at the end of X8, this breaking his crystal.
I still feel like if Capcom revists a timeline, it's x or zx.
Can't see classic right now as 11 is really hard to top, battle network and starforce are done, and new ips are really hard to do
If that's the reason, why even make it Model A at all?
@@UltimaKeyMaster Plausible deniability. If Axl was supposed to die or be destroyed after X8 (i.e. him potentially going Maverick), then Model A is just a callback to Next Gen reploid tech Albert built. If Axl was to live, then it can be chalked to Albert being an egotistical asshole who somehow attained the actual Axl's data and created this Model, naming it after his own hubris. Either way it would've worked for Inti Creates, since they were not allowed to interact with Value Wave, who at the time were handling the X series, as Inti themselves are ex-Capcom employees and Japanese work culture does NOT like "traitors" (Inti CEO Takuya Aizu entered Capcom straight after graduating, worked on Mega Man 7, hated the Capcom work culture of being underbudget and super crunched, if you've read MM7's dev cycle, you know it was miserable, so ALLEGEDLY after being told by Inafune "If you don't like it, make your own", Aizu took a good chunk of the MM7 and MMX2 team with him, which is why X3 had to be outsourced as the people hired to do Mega Man were no longer there.), Inafune had to basically beg to his bosses to let Inti handle MMZ, as the Capcom execs were NOT happy ex-employees returning 6 years later to work on the series they were ORIGINALLY hired to work on, as subcontractors.
It's also why MMZ1 feels so underbudgeted, and the CD Dramas were paid from Inti's own pocket, as Capcom were sure as hell not giving MMZ the anime treatment they did to Battle Network.
@@kat_lynx There were plans for a ZX anime. No network wanted to pick it up, though.
Fun fact about the bonus Omega fight: That was his intended AI behavior and damage values for MMZ3 but couldn't be implemented due the GBA limitations.
Yep, that's how HARD Omega's 3rd phase was originally supposed to be, instead of the piss poor one we got back then.
Omega still really kicked my ass the first time on that final phase as a kid but I did beat the Omega boss in ZX a few years later so I think maybe it was the right call 😂
@@VelvetAura Model ZX's rolling slash ignoring invincibility frames sure helps with that fight ngl
Wasn’t omega supposed to also have Zero’s X series design but because of the GBA’s limitations they had to go with a palette seap?
@@megamanzero29 Not GBA limitations, but they just couldn't make the shoulder pads on the sprites look good.
That would've been extremely cruel considering you have to fight two other bosses before it...
Fun fact if you play as both Vent and Aile you get to keep Model X in future playthroughs. I honestly really like that because sometimes a buster is better than the sword
Oh definitely. The Double X Buster RIPS through bosses almost as fast as ZX's Rolling Slash, and doesn't require you to get up close.
The only issue with Model X is that it's attacks can't really reach the final boss
@@MontyJojo But Model X does make Ω Zero an ease
The X2 buster casually destroying bosses two centuries later
@@MontyJojo To be fair, once he starts spamming the purple dust, unless you can avoid it every time, the only thing that can reach him are Model Fx's shots...
5:33 "It's been a couple of centuries since the end of Mega Man 4"
Can't really argue with that, no.
...oh
I'm pretty sure the whole Axl-Albert mixup was on purpose as a plot twist, not really a way to confuse the players. And while Albert created Model A, yeah, he was obviously working with some sort of template, there's no way he made it all from scratch. And that template was most likely Axl, hence the similarities.
Tbh if someday we ever get a third game that’s one of three things I hope they do with that game alongside Ciels whereabouts and the cliffhanger we’ve been hanging in for over a decade
@@Castersvarog and explaining how the world got flooded but that may be a whole new series needed to lead up to legends
I honestly see no mixup... Model A having Axl's copy ability and personality is merely homage.
I like to believe that Albert just shoved Axl's DNA soul into Model A which is why they have the exact same personality and similar voices.
A 3rd ZX game with playable Pandora and Prometheus is something a lot of fans are hoping for. Heck, you don't even need 2 campaigns, just use a character switch mechanic from X8. Prometheus can use Model P and F elemental abilities with close range attacks while Pandora could use Model L and H abilities with long range attacks.
I think I heard that the ending of said 3rd game would tie into Legends (I think J said it in his review of ZX Advent. But I haven't seen that in a while so if anyone can correct me. Be my guest)
@@Rabbitlord108 I don't think J is someone that should be taken as fact when it comes to games or lore considering how impulsive he can get at times.
6:40 game actually does say it outright in Vent's playthrough that Prairie is Alouette. messign with the plushies in her room does give you an item too btw
Fun fact: There's a neat customization option for Aile in the ZX game. There's a female Guardian inside the one of Guardian Base's rooms. She can change your clothes soon after you obtain access to the area, it lets you customize Aile's clothes and hair colors. It's mainly for aesthetic, but it's a neat way to change up your human form if you ever wanted to do that.
Also, in Area A-2, there's a little girl (Luca), Once you take her mission (finding her purse), talk to her a few times, and she will add more color schemes to your clothes, too.
i use the ciel color scheme all the time
i've been playing ZX since nearly release and this is the first time i've so much as heard of this, wtf
The Secret ending to ZX Advent always felt like someone was trying to set up for the story of Legends, taking ques from the backstory you hear about there.
Yeah, you have beat normal couples times or playing hard difficulty to get a secret ending in Megaman ZX Advent.
In my opinion, Aile's and Grey's stories fit the narrative better.
In Aile's story, Giro has been the Mega Man Model Z for a long time and has been a protector for Aile and one of the Guardians, and that story transitions better into ZX Advent, as Serpent mentions the blood connection between Aile and Albert just before he dies.
Meanwhile, in Vent's story, Giro doesn't have any of his connections and becomes a Mega Man about the same time as Vent. In fact, the only benefit of Vent's story is that you find out that Model W was created when Ragnarok's remains merged with Weil.
In Grey's story, the fact that he was made for Model A makes a lot more sense than Ashe being compatible just because she happened to be Albert's distant family. And yes, Grey's search to find out who he is fits the plot better (I just wish he hadn't been voiced by the same guy who did X in X7...).
I mean, Peter von Gomm made _some_ improvement... sadly not enough to fully save his performance. Plus Grey's one of my favorite characters in the franchise. Being the successor to the Wily incarnation, who outright wins more or less in becoming a God and achieving his goals before dying, and the point where he returns to the lab he was created in were the biggest highlights of his storyline for me.
Gray's narrative also fit the themes of the game better and make Albert's fall at his hands have a good flair of irony behind it, he wants to make the world evolve and reach its full potential, but got defeated by his own successor who proved to be superior to him.
It also helps that with Aile, she's actively trying to figure out what's going throughout the story. Asking the big questions in the grand scheme of things. While Vent is just... pretty much just goes along with everything without so much as a simple thought. But ultimately I do agree in that Aile/Grey feels more canon to the ZX/ZXA timeline. To be perfectly honest, I don't think Vent and Ashe were really planned/intended at first. Ashe more so since she just felt... slapped in at the last minute. At least with Vent, he was promoted and such.
I think with Vent's story that Giro was lying. That he trusts Aile more with the story because she's more level headed.
@@armaggedon390 I don't think there would be much reason for Giro to lie to Vent at that point. Especially with all the shit going down. Cause by him lying, that would imply he wouldn't want Vent to get further involved in the whole Guardian thing.
"When is Legion ever used in a positive context in fictional stories"
_"Hope sustains organics during periods of difficulty. We… admire the concept."_
That Legion is the good ending.
“Does this unit have a soul”?
Came looking for it! Best Legion
“…There was a hole.”
Yeah, I was just thinking that Legion was used in a positive context (player driven, that is) in Mass Effect 2.
It's pretty haunting and creepy to think Model W was born out of the pieces of Ragnarok, which Weil had fused with, meaning that the sole reason why Mavericks are still a thing during ZX is because of Weil's "soul" corrupting Reploids and feeding off of the data equivalent of negative emotions. That's pretty much a cursed inanimate object!
No f*cking wonder Dr. Weil's theme is called "Curse of Vile"...
It was even foreshadowed! Cockapetri in MMZ4 mentions Dr. Weil's "virus" is already complete and there's "no stopping what's to come". Considering Weil is an AI of a human mind, and he had successfully managed to decipher how Dr. Wily's technology and program (namely, Zero himself and the original Virus) work, His own desire to destroy the world that shunned and expelled him, the world he blames "wouldn't listen" to the threat "self-aware machines bring", make it all just more haunting.
I mean, just look at that nose. That thing is never going away...
I love how in ZXA, depending on who you choose between Grey and Ashe, leaves a dark implication for the other. Take for example, if you choose Grey to be your character. Ashe and her friends pretty much gets killed by Prometheus while trying to recover Model A. Whereas if you chose Ashe instead, Grey dies after falling to his death from fighting the Mechaniloid. It's subtle but I like that.
I remember reading about that... compared to ZX, the fact the player character you _don't_ choose is implied to have died at the end of their prologue fight just to make sure your story is the only one that progresses kinda shook me.
@@legendarycryptid2629 Yeah, like it didn't click with me at first when I was younger. But when I got older and looked into. I was like "Shit!" I didn't think they could be dark like that. This hits home a lot more because, since Grey feels more like the the true canon protagonist in Advent. This would mean that Ashe canonically dies before the events of the game.
There's no outright proof that the other character dies. They don't show up or get mentioned at all, not even in reference to a tragedy happening somewhere. Likewise despite Vent and Aile co-existing you only ever meet one or the other in either playthrough. You could just as easily put two and two together that Grey and Ashe both survived but each playthrough is only half of the story to force you to replay the game for the full picture of what happened. This logic could extend to the first game as well. In particular, advertising for ZX in Japan showed Vent and Aile working together in a short little anime trailer, implying that canonically they do in fact co-exist but have their stories split apart to stretch out the game length.
I generally chalk it up to just being a really weird and unclear design decision by Inti-Creates. It's hardly the only thing in these two games that's really off, despite them both being some of my favorite games alongside the Zero series.
@@Crow_Rising When you go to Hedgeshock's lab as Ashe, you start off at the same spot where Grey fights the Mechaniloid in his own story. The hole created by their battle is there and both Ashe and Model A comment on it, implying very strongly that Grey indeed fought the Mechaniloid there and most likely fell to his death afterwards.
@@DarkEinherjar I'm well aware of the location. You also missed the stuff around the end of the Oil Fields similarly connecting to Ashe's intro.
You're also entirely missing the fact that in both stories, the characters survived without help. Grey fell, but did not die and was found by a Hunter. Ashe was knocked out by Prometheus, but was disregarded by him after and was brought back to camp.
In either event, the character should be fine later. Even if Grey wasn't found by a Hunter (Which is unlikely considering there was clearly an active mission in the area and the Hunters are already willing to risk their lives for rewards) he would simply wake up on his own and wander off somewhere. Likewise, there's no reason for Prometheus to be any less disregarding of Ashe as a bug unworth his time, and we know the mission was still successful because Model A still gets recovered in Grey's story.
That's again, on top of advertising in Japan showing Vent and Aile working together, discrediting the split timelines idea.
There's a lot more I could get into, but I don't really want to stretch out this comment that far so I'll cut it short for now and elaborate later if need be.
Fun fact, the artist behind the z and ZX games is a rider fan, as johnny did say about the transformations. Makoto Yabe enjoys Toru Nakayama's work and since Nakayama is a big tokusatsu fan, even made 2 pieces of art depicting Kamen rider black. One based on the original season, the other is the recent Kamen rider black sun, MegaMan ZX has a lot of toku references
The DS Megaman games are very heavily inspired by Kamen Rider. Little did I know, they'd become the source of my eventual massive love for Henshin Heroes
He didn't actually do the art for the ZX games, that's a commonly held misconception. Makoto Yabe was the artist for them. They were very clearly inspired in the same way Toru Nakayama was, though.
@@MrElbowsmash ah, i see, thanks for the clarification
That thing about becoming the king of Mega Men sounded quite similar to the premise of a Kamen Rider season.
@@manamaster6 Ryuki right? Though I think Gaim had that also happen
The first ZX game had full voice acting too, but only for more important lines in the Japanese release, the international release cheaped out there.
You can find "undubbed" roms on the internet, which have the japanese voices and english text.
So it’s like the same situation with Warioware Get It Together. Wow that sucks and is shitty
@5:33 "It's been a couple of centuries since the end of MEGA MAN 4"
I had to play it back 🤣
We can say that Megaman 4 is one of Johnny's favorites classic MM games 🤣
OOPS!
You can tell Lewis edited this one and I love it.
I mean it's been just him lately.
@@mechashadow Well the Doctor Who and Bethesda references are very much appreciated.
Yeah he was in the credits. I asked him to edit something for me and he was working on johns video. So I used the time to clean up some timestamps for him
Ah, this duology takes me back. I played ZX as a kid after borrowing it from a friend, and I originally owned ZX Advent until I lost the cartridge one day. I replayed the crap out of Advent as a kid and loved it, so I'm glad the ZX duology got a re-release... though I wish we got that third game, that cliffhanger still gets my blood pumping and irks me that Capcom just didn't do it.
I still have both cartridges from way back in the day. Played the snot out of both of them. Still do but more on the Zero/ZX Collection these days.
It sucks in general that Capcom backpedaled on so many ideas for the Megaman games. A 3rd Legends, a 3rd ZX, a MMO, a Megaman version of Mario Maker....
I mean seriously, what made them scrap so many potentially good ideas?
@@DarkFrozenDepths A 3rd Legends was because of both Inafune doing a no-no and Capcom not having stopped it before to save face, a 3rd ZX (codenamed "ZXC") was due to poor sales and the MMO was due to "being a bug-filled mess". I still don't know what made them backpedal on Megaman Universe tho.
The one that hurts me the most is the Irregular/Maverick Hunter X series, and all because the PSP did poorly in the west aka the target audience the MM series is heavily reliant on...
As a Viewtiful Joe fan for about 20 years, I feel your pain. Both 1 and 2 literally promise a Viewtiful Joe 3 (2 ends at the very moment where 3 would have begun), and we never got that. We got a platform fighter spin-off, and a Ninteod DS game that introduced 2 important characters and yet still did not conclude the story of the original trilogy.
We also got an anime, but it was essentially just a retelling of 1 and 2, but with a few more characters introduced.
I really want that 3rd game. The first ZX was just essential for me cause I went to Brazil for a year with it on my ds, and Advent is just a good time. I really hope they make a third eventually.
A lot of the voice cast for Mega Man ZX Advent also did the voice work for Mega Man X7. In fact, the voice of Grey is also the voice of X in Mega Man X7.
If I recall correctly, the director(?) of Advent said they didn't make Model A be Axl because the X series was still happening, with X8 being pretty recent and everyone unaware that'd be the end of it, so they didn't wanna step on anyone's toes when it came to Axl's fate, but liked Axl enough to make Model A an homage to him without BEING him to keep his future vague enough for the next X installments
Where X9 then huh... give me answers for the future Installments
I'd say that as a series ZX stands out by being Metroidvania (which is strange they didn't try that sooner tbh) but the constantly respawning enemies kinda kill the pacing and make the games a lot more tedious
The funny thing is, there was a third ZX game planned with Prometheus and Pandora being the playable characters. (It MIGHT have been a prequel) It was scrapped but I remember seeing photos from a magazine or something with the 2 being in more human clothing.
(Correction) It may have been an April Fools thing... A ZX3 project was in the works according to Inti-creates, but it was canceled by Capcom Execs that are no longer there according to them in an interview not too long ago.
Prometheus & Pandora are probably my favorite characters in the ZX Duology other than Prairie, since her development from the Zero games and her carrying on after Ciel left is an incredible way of tying the games together
Yeah, I remember my excitement and disappointment when I saw 3rd ZX game is on production only to found out it's an april fools joke.
That's definitely not true sadly. Although designs for P&P in regular reploid forms do exist. They were released with one of the CDs
And here we thought Shadow the Hedgehog ( the game ) was an April Fools joke.
if a third game ever comes out, they really should tie Axl into model A canonically. The comics show Axl fighting alongside X and Zero in the Elf Wars, so it wouldn't be completely out of left field.
Legion is used in a positive context for the Legion of Superheroes.
As someone who grew up with the games back on the DS, I'm honestly fond of ZXA voice acting and hearing the mastered dub in collection is so wild. Some performances sound almost completely different, I'm amazed they even still had those lying around
How's that lock picking coming?
im certainly glad they did. in zxa, aile had 1 line while underground introducing herself and x, the only non compressed line in the game which is jarring if you paid attention. sounded so much better than the rest.
Same. The remastered voice acting was great. It felt like watching an anime with the characters having cutscenes
The idea of ZX's weak points is that you can choose to fight a boss quickly by targeting it's weak point, or you can be more careful and avoid melting them for a bigger immediate reward.
You know, too try to avoid the MegaMan problem where bosses become pitiful once you have their weakness.
Not that it was a great idea.
To answer Johnny's question about a positive use of legion in fiction, I'd say the character Legion from the Mass Effect trilogy is a good example
Also Brandon Sanderson's novella series titled Legion.
17:34 Funny you say that, because the ZX game canonically lead to the Legends games, with ZX 3 seemingly set up to connect the dots between the two. Unfortunately, we may never know how that would play out
12:58 " as long one of us lives, we are a legion" (Legacy of kain: Soul reaver) this phrase is use to justify why kain can sacrifice everything for it's cause as long as one lives(mostly himself)(sorry for my bad english)
You know it’s a good day when Johnny uploads
Another Reason Why he's one of my Favorite UA-camrs
13:01 The Legion of Superheroes? I think?
And regarding the whole "Model A isn't Axl" thing: It's not that the devs hated Axl, but that his fate after X8's ending is left unknown, so the devs made Model A a "homage" to him. Despite this, said fate apparently inspired Model A having a cap rather than a "lens" or gem like the other Mega Man.
I know that ZXA isn't the best game but I do love Ashe's design, really makes her stand out. She's one of my absolute favourite characters from the Mega Man games.
She is the epitome of a smug bastard and I love her character for that.
Nah I liked Grey's design better his hair, his green eyes and the scar on his bottom cheek also the two plugs on his neck🔌 he looks sick
@@lsd-rickb-1728 Grey is also very cool yeah
Something worth mentioning about the changes between Grey and Ashe is that there are some differences gameplay wise outside of their buster shots.
By default Grey deals more damage then Ashe and all the Y button attacks with the Biometals are different.
Model A homing shots change between Ashe and her chain shot while Grey can target multiple enemies/a single target multiple times at once, Model F uses either fireballs or bombs, Model P uses either a giant shuruken or a shield, Model H changes what direction the tornados go vertically or horizontally, and Model L fires either a giant dragon or an ice ball that explodes when hit and Model ZX either gets a downwards Stab or a rising slash, each going to Grey and Ashe respectively.
Also, if you get all 24 medals by defeating the bosses in ZXA in different ways like a avoiding certain weak points, not destroying certain enemies summoned, using only certain attacks from certain models, etc, there’s a special a-trans you can get called Model a, not Model _A_ it’s Model _a_ which is an 8-bit sprite version of model A that slides and only fires 3 lemons
The thing that has stuck with me ever since I played the ZX games is Pandora's voice. The DS audio crunch makes it sound so creepy yet I find it very memorable
Right
So Model A is a bit of a weird case. As you can guess, Model A *is* based on Axl but only in an out of universe context. The writers wanted to go that route but due to the X series and Axl's fate in particular being on a cliffhanger, which has continued to this day sadly, they opted to not go that route so as to not contradict anything the X Series would do later down the line which is honestly probably the best reason for that, even if it didn't age well in the long run.
As a sidenote, here's something funny about ZXA's story. Grey, Prometheus and Pandora are all creations of Albert, effectively making them his children in a sense. Because Ashe is a biological descendant of Albert, his Great-Great etc Grandchild essentially, that makes her related to the other three, their Great-Great Niece from a certain point of view.
In other words, Grucle Grey is canon, have a good day
Which they really didn't have to do considering he doesn't come up at all in the Zero series and the time gap means that he's most likely dead (Also Capcom didn't really seem to care on following up on him since he only appears in 3 games and one of them isn't canon). It also doesn't make sense for Albert to have created Model A in the first place since Ciel was the one who created all of the other Models sans W and Model A just works like any regular Biometal. I mean Serpent was at least established as a researcher working with Ciel before he became a cyberpunk corporate overlord; Albert doesn't have that context to make the connection. Switching the model name to Albert strikes me as a really last minute change or even a script mistranslation.
@@ManOutofTime913 It's definitely not a mistranslation that's for sure
@@ManOutofTime913 Albert is literally one of the leaders of the world and created not only Prometheus, Pandora, Grey, and a decoy body for himself, but also created Biometal Model W and set up the Chosen One system to begin with. I'd say he has more than enough credentials to create his own Biometal.
Friend spotted 👀
@@thefriendlydragon4811 See, that conflicts with the backstory given in ZX1 where Model W was pieces of Ragnarock that fell to Earth and somehow got infused with Weil's DNA Soul or something. Maybe I just want the story to be more interesting than it is, but he always struck me as a guy who fucked around with eldritch forces he didn't really understand and turned evil because of it. My qualm comes mainly from the fact that Model A has its own personality that isn't just a clone of Weil's like all of the other Model Ws supposedly are. Instead it acts like the Biometals that Ciel created despite there being no connection between them. And the fact that it acts and operates like Axl is doubly weird. Unless the X team were going to have Axl become an eldritch horror at some point. With how X8 ended, it's not out of the cards.
Really interesting video! I think it's a shame we never get an official ZX3, as it could potentially fix many of the previous games shortcomings, and also bring some closure to the story. Well, a fan can dream.
Anyway, here's some little trivia: Yes, as far as I remember, Model A was completely inspired by Axl. The reason the developers made the A reference Albert instead is because Axl's fate after the X series was unclear at the time, so if they referenced him directly, they would risk break continuity with the X/Zero series.
In fact, it that a close look, you will notice that Model A is the only one that doesn't have a crystal on the head.
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[SPOILERS FOR MEGA MAN X8 AHEAD!] - - That's a reference to Axl's crystal breaking at the end of X8, presumably infecting him with the Maverick virus. What Model A has instead is a cover, necessary for containing the virus.
Yeah, so Megaman X8, Legend 3, and ZX3 are canceled until Capcom can come up on the idea without K I.
@@Twilight17Petkoton X8 exists already
If you beat ZX with both Aile and Vent, then you can use Model X throughout the game from your third playthrough onward, and Model X's double charge shots just body the Pseudoroids like nobody's business, especially when you get the Quick Charge part.
Great video as always!
I honestly can't wait for him to tackle the Legends series. I know that they looked at it during their let's play on SGB, but I feel like Johnny will get more of a grasp on why the Legends series was so love and had such a cult following.
Imagine if he does Battle Network. I can already see his jaw dropping when he gets to the twist regarding Megaman exe's origin in the first game.
Fun facts: If you bully the cyber elf pinata for much MUCH longer than you think you have to, you get a W tank.
It's possible you need to melee it? I'm not sure.
Fun fact: if you get all the bronze, silver and gold medals for all the maverick bosses in ZX advent you'll unlock model a an eight bit version of model A.
Unfortunately you can't do much with it. But you do get a slide move
7:35 Hearing Johnny reference Kamen Rider in a video makes me so happy.
Now if you excuse me, I gotta watch Geats. I’m on episode 17 and I gotta catch up.
"When is Legion ever used in a positive context on fictional stories?"
The Legion of Super Heroes?
9:02 The crossover I never knew I needed
That was the editor's doing (Lewis is a doctor who fan)
"It's been a couple centuries since the end of Mega Man 4." BOY HOWDY IT SURE HAS
Johnny: Mentions you shouldn't need supplementary material just to flesh out characters, world building, and get a better understanding of the franchise.
"Balan WonderWorld has entered the chatroom"
6:23. Rest in Peace, Jason David Frank..
Siarnaq is my favorite, that synthesized voice, and apparently some hidden sadism if you die to him (In the Japanese voice acting though)
"When is Legion ever used in a positive context in fictional stories"
Mass Effect 2
and 3
I remember going through the ZX Advent story for the first time and was just confused as hell by the end. I also kinda would have liked if Ciel was the protagonist for the games. Would have made a nice connection for her and Zero.
"It's been a few centuries since the end of Mega Man 4"
I mean.
That's not...ENTIRELY wrong. ;P
ZX has one of the coolest 100% rewards in MM history. So cool.
What is it? I never got 100%.
@@giygas_9577 Well, beat the secret boss and you get Omega form, which Johnny mentioned. It also has a NG+ and hard mode. Beat the game on NG+ with the different character, and you can use the X form through the entire game.
@@GhostOfRazgiz Ah, I knew about the model X and Omega but wasn't sure if there was anything else for like doing all the side stuff (which I never did). Playing as Model X with that badass busted Mega Man X2 double charge shot is indeed awesome.
The only two times I've seen Legion used positively in fiction:
Tony Stark's Iron Legion.
Legion of Super Heroes (31st century justice league.)
This is such a good birthday present. I'm glad you covered this series Johnny thank you!
Happy birthday random internet person
@@dunkelstevenson4413 thank you internet stranger
Happyyy birthday then dude. Have a good one
@@noblesseoblige1076 Thank you dude :D
Happy birthday man, hope you had a good day
12:58 Really the only positive example I can think of is Legion from the Mass Effect trilogy.
A great way to start my day. Thanks Johnny. Glad you still had a good time for the most part, ZX is my favourite of the two, and even of the whole Zero franchise, so this video was a blast to sit through.
Also just a little note here; My friend and I DID manage to beat all the bosses in ZX without hitting their weak points back when we first played it years ago, it was an absolute nightmare with some of them, but we did it. Besides getting undamaged Biometals, getting a Lv 4 Victory simply places a plush of the boss in Prairie’s room, like the Cyber Elf plush…that’s it. Not really worth the trouble.
6:50 I was today years old when I found out that you actually do get an item for attacking the doll, but you need the Zero model to cut it down and then you can slash it to death to get a free W Tank.
The acting may not be great, but at least it isn't X4 bad.
About Model A. During a recent(ish) interview with inticreates. It was confirmed that it was indeed suppose to be Axl. But this had to be changed at the last minute due to X8, and the devs not wanting to hurt X9's story. (They assumed an X9 was being made).
Legion is used in a positive light in Mass Effect, as the Normandy's on-board AI E.D.I. names the friendly Geth mobile platform that Shepard rescues and activates Legion. the Geth up to that point are an antagonistic force, but depending on Shep's choices, Legion can end up becoming a stalwart friend and reshape just how the races of the galaxy view artificial intelligence.
I really didn't like the english voices in MMZXA, either, but for readons beyond my understanding, the PAL release removed all voice lines outside of the animé cutscenes, so I didn't have remotely as much to suffer.
But one thing that I really enjoyed was the twisted dynamic of the Trinity Sages. After all, their names directly reference the three original genius professors of robotics: THOMAS Light, ALBERT Wily, and MIKHAIL Cossack. But in spite of their references, Thomas turns out to be a manipulative schemer, and Cossack is a very positive and helpful guy. I really wish we could've seen the conclusion to all of it, but it simply didn't work out.
To be fair. Wily was holding Cossack's daughter hostage in Mega Man 4.
Fun fact, spikes and bottomless pits are not instant deaths when you play them in Easy Mode.
Okay, using a Doctor Who clip, Johnny? Kamen Rider was a inspiration for these games? That's hardcore!
Tokusatsu is like a GOOD percent of inspiration for alot of things, surprisingly.
(From your Gojis to your Riders and such)
Glad to see Kamen Rider fans here!
the axl thing was just to set up the twist about albert, nothing really confusing here, it's just playing with the player's knowledge and turning it against them
"When is Legion ever used in a positive sense in fiction?"
The Legion of Super-Heroes say hi.
Thomas looking like Lysandre (Or vice versa) made me wonder if that beard and hair combo was based off a real life person, because if not it’s an insane coincidence
Also that sword/key cane that Thomas had, had that arrow on it, making it appear that it gets inserted into something, a mystery foreshadowing thingy that we may never get a pay off to; if I had to guess maybe just a plot device to trigger a plot device within whatever plot to be written
(If this was kingdom hearts, it would be a whole thing)
Legion from Mass Effect 2 was a chill Geth. I did love it when he use to say "Shepard-Commander"
5:32 I'm sure you meant to say Zero 4, but using the metric of time passed since Mega Man 4 specifically is funny to me.
10:40 ~ I don't remember if the games make it clear. But it was widely accepted that the Villain of the first game put Ciel through his "solution" Process.
If I recall. Nope they do not 🤦
9:01 I REALLY didn't expect that reference but I am so glad it's there XD
The editing in this video is top notch dude. Love your stuff Johnny. You give me a good relaxing time.
16:33 I swear I thought he was about to say “You slumber, a cucumber!”
Well, never thought I'd see Johnny throw in a Doctor Who reference lol
The Sage trinity are named after the original doctors from the classic series
Thomas (Light), Albert (Willy) and Mikhail ( Cossack) so it's not that they just decided to make Model A have a random name out of nowhere, yes it is also obviously Model Axl, but it is Model Albert , it is a double reference
When I was little, I liked this series because I thought they were just Megaman-themed superheroes/Power Rangers. It wasn't until after I finished that I finally realized there was a bit more to it than that 😅
I also liked imagining a scenario where all four protagonists existed at the same time.
BTW, I call Model A Model Axl, too.
My initial thought as to why Model A wasn't Model Axel was that X7 hadn't come out yet, which is wrong. Then my NEXT thought was maybe Axel just... doesn't exist in this timeline or he was just forgotten to time.
So 2 things so far as I'm watching, there IS a difference in the zx Advent protags besides story, their Buster Shots are different, and that doll you tormented, if you juggle it enough it will drop something.
Honestly with all the behind the scenes stuff with these games, it makes them some of the more fascinating games to go back and study. Here's hoping we get a return to this timeline someday
This is such an interesting series, I never played any of these zero games, but I really want to give them a try after seeing your reviews. Thanks John.
If the collection ever goes on sale do it.
I highly recommend them. They’re extremely fun
13:02 The only answer I’ve got is the Legion of Super Heroes.
Ahh nothing like a new Johnny vid to kick off my Sunday. And one where we finally get to the Mega Man games I have little to no experience with to boot!
Is it wrong to say that I miss the old editing? Something about the new direction feels off. Like with the old videos, clips aligned more with Johnny's lines. Here the editor is just throwing stuff that happens to be related to Johnny's lines... but certain stuff feels out of place. Like the "All of this Just Works" with Legion clip. What does that have to do with Legion? Is that a Fallout reference orr...? It most likely is with footage of a character speaking (probably from a group named Legion), but I would've left it at that instead of showing someone building a house in the game with Todd Howard saying "It just works". That threw me off lmao.
People might shrug this off as nitpicks but it's the little things, y'know? This is the first comment I made about someone's editing.
Yea i understood the oblivion bit but not todd lol
The main government faction in all of the Elder Scrolls games is the Empire, the military force of which is the Imperial Legion. The Todd Howard clip was admittedly taking the joke a bit far, but it was kind of my way of acknowledging that my example there was shaky at best (the Empire is about as prone to a random crash-and-burn as the games that feature them).
Having said that, I will keep these misgivings in mind in the future. It's hard to figure out what works and what doesn't when it comes to editing these videos. For example, in the FF7 review, some people really got a kick out of my editing, while others complained about it. I'm still trying to find some kind of happy balance.
@@OneTrueNobody fair enough, good shit
@@catb0mb As long as people aren't super-obnoxious-aggressive about it, I appreciate the criticism. I will also freely admit that as a UA-camr who got my start in the early 2007-ish era, I may be a little *too* inclined to think of pop culture reference clips as punch-lines to jokes.
It’s funny how you mention ZX and symphony of the night since they used the same voice acting crew, which are eng va’s in Japan. I think they sound better on the DS since the sound isn’t as exposing. But it’s a step up from their X7 performances.
Also, Hedgeshock is also voiced by Rebecca Chambers from Resident Evil 1.
7:34 never thought I’d hear Johnny mention Kamen Rider
Legion of Super Heroes is used positively (Basically a future Justice League).
"When is Legion ever used in a positive context in fictional stories?"
Say you've never played Mass Effect without saying you've never played Mass Effect.
The jumping rolling slash ignoring I-frames is because of the combo system. Magnus Zero did a great guide on how the combo system in these games work.
A day late, if you thought the voice acting was bad, the original DS version of Advent made it sounds hella WORSE due to the sound compression of the DS
13:05
The Legion of Super Heroes from DC Comics come to mind. That's all I've got.
To answer where Legion is used in a positive context, The Legion of Super Heroes from DC (basically a future super team inspired by Clark's time as Superboy)
Astral Chain uses Legion in a positive context, being the name of the non-human combat partner.
There's also the character from Mass Effect
Are you going to review? Metroid prime one remaster.?!
Man, if they ever make a Nintendo vs Capcom game, I'd like to see Ashe vs Samus and Vent vs Shulk.
24:12 Well, because in the Megaman Universe, they haven't invented Samus' Morph Ball technology.
And as we all know, Metallic suits can't crawl. So either you roll up into a ball... or you go back to being human and crawl. Good to know Megaman ZX lore complements Metroid lore.
14:47 Okay, that joke sent me for a minute... what is it with Capcom having two Mega Man duologies that were cut short before they could get a third game?
I don’t get it
Ah, the ZX Duology, my personal entry into the franchise, and my personal favorites of the entire franchise, even if they are some odd Metroidvania’s. I’m also a fan of Tokusatsu/Henshin Heroes, so the transforming with the Biometals was always badass. AND YES, LIKE EVERYONE, I HATE THAT THERE IS STILL NO CONCLUSION TO THAT CLIFFHANGER AND IT HURTS MORE TO KNOW THAT ZX3 WAS IN DEVELOPMENT AT ONE POINT
Fun fact: MMZX is the one game that features the only official canon image we have of Neo Arcadia:
The flashback picture of Ciel and Zero facing an army of Pantheons in front of a giant dome.
Many use that one orbital elevator image to represent Neo Arcadia, but it's in fact a cluster of domes surrounding a giant main one.
That dome is the one that got obliterated with Ragnarok's laser during MMZ4, with an estimated of 20 million casualties.
"When is Legion ever used in a positive context"
Well, there's the one in Transformers.
*insert trollface here*
13:00 : When is Legion used in a positive context in fiction?
The answer is Mass Effect 2.