Agreed. Jerry has been a terrible owner and a massively deceiftful person 42 of his 43 years here. I don't root for people to pass away but after how much money he's practically stolen from fans to make himself a billionaire while intentionally hindering his product from succeeding I'm not going to be sad when he goes
@@staticager526 it's too late for this team, even if Jerry spent money now nobody is going to play here, Yankees or Dodgers my first choice. Until Jerry pulls a Bill Wirtz things might change. 2005🎉 was nice I was 36 years old back then. Bill Veeck was owner and Don Kessinger was Sox player mgr in 1979, when I started watching Sox games Harry Caray was still doing play by play
really does sound like Hahn was really undercut. Curious what actually would have happened if he could have done what he actually wanted to do. Don't think he was the messiah or anything but I think they could at the very least be in contention still.
Nah, Hahn was stuck on players entering the twilight of their careers to the detriment of the Sox. Benintendi, Kimbrel, Grandal, Kelly are notable examples. And Hahn overpaid them. Like Ryan Pace, once Hahn fell in love with a player, he lost all reasonable thinking. I will give credit to Hahn for being good at trades because Getz is terrible.
I've been telling people that Jerry reinsdorf is a slumlord for years now but no one wanted to listen to me. Subtract the Michael Jordan years from his record as an owner and between two teams he's seen one championship over like 80 cumulative years. The analogy I like to use is this: how many times do you go to a restaurant and have the service and food be terrible before you stop going back? Maybe twice Max. Yet somehow people keep supporting these two s*** franchises as if it's a badge of honor. Why would I keep enabling this nonsense with my hard-earned money and time? I haven't watched a Sox game, a Bulls game, or a Bears game for that matter in several years. I watch you guys more than I actually watch any of those teams because you guys actually work hard and are enjoyable to consume. I hate it for you that you have to cover this dumpster fire, slumlord franchise. BDS. Honestly. It sounds extreme but I have several generations of family on my mother's side who are from the south side of Chicago who could use a solid franchise down there to help generate revenue for the Community. That's why I'm passionate about this and don't take it lightly. It's bigger than just a team. This is actual human lives being affected by this BS franchise. Look at the difference of Cleveland before and after LeBron James came and left. A professional sports franchise is supposed to be an asset to a community, not a liability.
Don't take what I'm going to say as a disagreement, because I'm on your side here. The last Bears game I watched was the double-doink playoff game, and I cannot remember the last time I watched a game from either of the other two franchised you mentioned. But what you said is a far, far, far cry from what I remember many fans and pundits saying many years ago. They would condemn fans for not going to see a live game but instead are merely mercenary, and they would heap all kinds of praise on Cubs fans for packing Wrigley Field every day despite their terrible track record (not including the Theo Epstien years). Now those same fans are commending fans for staying at home and not bothering to watch a terrible product. You wonder what happened that caused people to change their minds. I have a few suspicions, but who knows?
@@DaDitka It's funny that you brought up the point that you did, but I love that you did so. I was literally just telling a friend yesterday about the weird expectation of fans to show up regardless of what the quality of the product on the field is. How many times do you go to a restaurant, receive terrible service or food and return to the same restaurant? I'd say for most people it's going to be twice Max. If I go to a restaurant twice and the food sucks, I'm not showing up a third time. Now I understand that in professional sports you have a much more competitive objective. You can have 30 great restaurants in one neighborhood, but every teen can't win every year. However, there's a difference between being good but not the best and just flat out not being good. The White Sox franchise is only going to consecutive playoff appearances once in their history. Jerry reinsdorf as an owner between two teams, minus the time where he had the best player in the history of the sport in Michael Jordan, who he didn't draft, on his team has a grand total of one championship in like seventy Some odd years. That also accounts for his one championship round appearance between those two teams. He also did not make the playoffs in the season before or after that championship run. How can I justify spending my hard-earned time or money on such a subcar product? And why is it the expectation of the fans to support such a clearly subpar product when in any other profession we would stay far away until we saw a sign that read "under new ownership"? Sports for some reason is the only place where consumers are told that it's a good idea for them to continue supporting a subpar product.
Yep, unlike most Sox fans I will root for Chris to succeed in spite of Jerry. It would be a great underdog story from futility to an ALC or World Series🤷♀️
I haven’t read this yet but as soon as I saw his face and report I’m like yeah it’s definitely going to be another punch to the stomach and spit on the face of this great unique fanbase
Can’t wait till Jerry is gone and this team is sold to a new owner. But I do have to play devils advocate what do Sox fans do if Jerry’s family doesn’t sell.. I honestly think if they don’t sell I’m just moving on from the Sox… will be more of the same for the rest of your life and life is too short to spend it on a Reinsdork team
While Jerry absolutely deserves the L record, there is a couple of theories I have regarding him: 1. Is JR intentionally setting ppl for failure or just abusing his position a bit too far🤷♀️ 2. It seems like JR wants to win(in his way). He said he prioritized winning with the Wsox than the Bulls and said he wanted to win one more championship before he dies. 3. He splits the revenue between the Wsox and Bulls, thus why the Wsox haven’t given out a 100m yet. 4. He’s Kenny Williams 2.0🤷♀️ 5. He’s isn’t trying to be one of the worst owners in baseball. 6. Are the recent reports about JR is true? Not everything you read on the internet is true. 7. Is JR cheap or risk averse? 8. Is he trying to tell the truth or intentionally lying to the media?
Jerry Reinsdorf, what the hell have you DONE with / to the White Sox in 2Ø24? I was born a few months before WW ll on the North side of Chicago, but somehow, I was a Sox fan going back to the Minnie Minoso era. I asked what you did because if I read correctly, you are NOT going spend any money on them now (?). Also, I ask what you did because to get this bad suddenly does NOT make sense in one season unless something has been done badly to them. Finally, I hope you don't have the balls to continue asking for a new stadium until YOU $pend some bucks to make them a hell-of a-lot better in 2Ø25!!!! JMS
The god father of Chicago sports Mr Jerry reinsdorf he brought us many great players so many championships but some respect on Jerry he is a great owner and has great milkshakes at the ballpark
How do you talk about an article for an hour and not link to the article in the description? I guess you have to save room for Sunnyside Canabis and Zbiotics ads...
@@williamhermann6635 Easily solved by putting a note next to the link. I subscribe to the athletic and had to google the story because I was interested after listening. It's not a big deal, but if you're going to make content off of something, the least you can do is provide a link to it.
Nashville wants an expansion team not the White Sox. Reinsdorf could move the team, but he cannot take the White Sox name, logo, mascot, or colors. Those all belong to the City of Chicago. When the Cleveland Browns threatened to move to Baltimore, the owner changed his mind after realizing the Browns name, logo, mascot, and colors belong to the City of Cleveland. 😂
The more bad media attention Jerry Reinsdorf gets the better.
Yes! Pour it on RELENTLESSLY!
24/7
Agreed. Jerry has been a terrible owner and a massively deceiftful person 42 of his 43 years here. I don't root for people to pass away but after how much money he's practically stolen from fans to make himself a billionaire while intentionally hindering his product from succeeding I'm not going to be sad when he goes
I feel like it'll just make him double down more because "it worked in 2005" yeah, Jerry, so did MySpace
@@staticager526 it's too late for this team, even if Jerry spent money now nobody is going to play here, Yankees or Dodgers my first choice. Until Jerry pulls a Bill Wirtz things might change. 2005🎉 was nice I was 36 years old back then. Bill Veeck was owner and Don Kessinger was Sox player mgr in 1979, when I started watching Sox games Harry Caray was still doing play by play
Sell the team, Jerry
really does sound like Hahn was really undercut. Curious what actually would have happened if he could have done what he actually wanted to do. Don't think he was the messiah or anything but I think they could at the very least be in contention still.
Nah, Hahn was stuck on players entering the twilight of their careers to the detriment of the Sox. Benintendi, Kimbrel, Grandal, Kelly are notable examples. And Hahn overpaid them. Like Ryan Pace, once Hahn fell in love with a player, he lost all reasonable thinking. I will give credit to Hahn for being good at trades because Getz is terrible.
Jerry needs to drop already
I've been telling people that Jerry reinsdorf is a slumlord for years now but no one wanted to listen to me. Subtract the Michael Jordan years from his record as an owner and between two teams he's seen one championship over like 80 cumulative years.
The analogy I like to use is this: how many times do you go to a restaurant and have the service and food be terrible before you stop going back? Maybe twice Max. Yet somehow people keep supporting these two s*** franchises as if it's a badge of honor. Why would I keep enabling this nonsense with my hard-earned money and time? I haven't watched a Sox game, a Bulls game, or a Bears game for that matter in several years. I watch you guys more than I actually watch any of those teams because you guys actually work hard and are enjoyable to consume. I hate it for you that you have to cover this dumpster fire, slumlord franchise.
BDS. Honestly. It sounds extreme but I have several generations of family on my mother's side who are from the south side of Chicago who could use a solid franchise down there to help generate revenue for the Community. That's why I'm passionate about this and don't take it lightly. It's bigger than just a team. This is actual human lives being affected by this BS franchise. Look at the difference of Cleveland before and after LeBron James came and left. A professional sports franchise is supposed to be an asset to a community, not a liability.
Don't take what I'm going to say as a disagreement, because I'm on your side here. The last Bears game I watched was the double-doink playoff game, and I cannot remember the last time I watched a game from either of the other two franchised you mentioned.
But what you said is a far, far, far cry from what I remember many fans and pundits saying many years ago. They would condemn fans for not going to see a live game but instead are merely mercenary, and they would heap all kinds of praise on Cubs fans for packing Wrigley Field every day despite their terrible track record (not including the Theo Epstien years). Now those same fans are commending fans for staying at home and not bothering to watch a terrible product.
You wonder what happened that caused people to change their minds. I have a few suspicions, but who knows?
@@DaDitka It's funny that you brought up the point that you did, but I love that you did so. I was literally just telling a friend yesterday about the weird expectation of fans to show up regardless of what the quality of the product on the field is. How many times do you go to a restaurant, receive terrible service or food and return to the same restaurant? I'd say for most people it's going to be twice Max. If I go to a restaurant twice and the food sucks, I'm not showing up a third time. Now I understand that in professional sports you have a much more competitive objective. You can have 30 great restaurants in one neighborhood, but every teen can't win every year. However, there's a difference between being good but not the best and just flat out not being good. The White Sox franchise is only going to consecutive playoff appearances once in their history. Jerry reinsdorf as an owner between two teams, minus the time where he had the best player in the history of the sport in Michael Jordan, who he didn't draft, on his team has a grand total of one championship in like seventy Some odd years. That also accounts for his one championship round appearance between those two teams. He also did not make the playoffs in the season before or after that championship run. How can I justify spending my hard-earned time or money on such a subcar product? And why is it the expectation of the fans to support such a clearly subpar product when in any other profession we would stay far away until we saw a sign that read "under new ownership"?
Sports for some reason is the only place where consumers are told that it's a good idea for them to continue supporting a subpar product.
As a tigers fan I find the white Sox fascinating white Sox fans deserve better rooting for Chris Getz hopefully Jerry lets him do his job
Yep, unlike most Sox fans I will root for Chris to succeed in spite of Jerry. It would be a great underdog story from futility to an ALC or World Series🤷♀️
I haven’t read this yet but as soon as I saw his face and report
I’m like yeah it’s definitely going to be another punch to the stomach and spit on the face of this great unique fanbase
This is a ridiculous conversation. This franchise isn't going anywhere.
The saddest part is none of this is surprising
I never wish anyone should die no matter how bad the person/owner is.
This won't change until he passes
Can’t wait till Jerry is gone and this team is sold to a new owner. But I do have to play devils advocate what do Sox fans do if Jerry’s family doesn’t sell.. I honestly think if they don’t sell I’m just moving on from the Sox… will be more of the same for the rest of your life and life is too short to spend it on a Reinsdork team
While Jerry absolutely deserves the L record, there is a couple of theories I have regarding him:
1. Is JR intentionally setting ppl for failure or just abusing his position a bit too far🤷♀️
2. It seems like JR wants to win(in his way). He said he prioritized winning with the Wsox than the Bulls and said he wanted to win one more championship before he dies.
3. He splits the revenue between the Wsox and Bulls, thus why the Wsox haven’t given out a 100m yet.
4. He’s Kenny Williams 2.0🤷♀️
5. He’s isn’t trying to be one of the worst owners in baseball.
6. Are the recent reports about JR is true? Not everything you read on the internet is true.
7. Is JR cheap or risk averse?
8. Is he trying to tell the truth or intentionally lying to the media?
Jerry Reinsdorf, what the hell have you DONE with / to the White Sox in 2Ø24? I was born a few months before WW ll on the North side of Chicago, but somehow, I was a Sox fan going back to the Minnie Minoso era. I asked what you did because if I read correctly, you are NOT going spend any money on them now (?). Also, I ask what you did because to get this bad suddenly does NOT make sense in one season unless something has been done badly to them. Finally, I hope you don't have the balls to continue asking for a new stadium until YOU $pend some bucks to make them a hell-of a-lot better in 2Ø25!!!! JMS
Is The City Building HIM A New Ball Park
The god father of Chicago sports Mr Jerry reinsdorf he brought us many great players so many championships but some respect on Jerry he is a great owner and has great milkshakes at the ballpark
How come you guys never drink those beers?
How do you talk about an article for an hour and not link to the article in the description? I guess you have to save room for Sunnyside Canabis and Zbiotics ads...
Because its behind a paywall
@@williamhermann6635 Easily solved by putting a note next to the link. I subscribe to the athletic and had to google the story because I was interested after listening.
It's not a big deal, but if you're going to make content off of something, the least you can do is provide a link to it.
He wants to move the team.
No, he's not that stupid.
Nashville wants an expansion team not the White Sox. Reinsdorf could move the team, but he cannot take the White Sox name, logo, mascot, or colors. Those all belong to the City of Chicago. When the Cleveland Browns threatened to move to Baltimore, the owner changed his mind after realizing the Browns name, logo, mascot, and colors belong to the City of Cleveland. 😂