Thanks for this , please pray for me to think of the scriptures and the Lord and His Day, and no longer be distracted by my flesh, Problems Or the Carnal mind ! Thank you.
I’ve always had a hard time with pastors saying Ezekiel 38-39 is some Russian invasion. I’ve never felt like it was right in my heart. Michael Heiser really clears it up here.
Its not Russia. Russia did not even exist when these prophecies were made. Sons of Japheth mentioned are very eastern Mongolian or middle eastern tribes. Definitely something turkic.
I miss him too. How paradoxical to have two fervent defenders of the Bible in heaven but diametrically opposed to the understanding of God and Magog . I am talking about Chuck Misler. Now they know the truth from God himself.
Malachi 4:3 “And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.”
don't talk ugly about your brother in christ thinking you're so smart ! a christian has 0 desire to talk ugly of Mike in this teaching. Mike is giving us truth here and is a brother in christ, so the bashing on him is coming from a few that are false as Jesus, and those in him are kind and loving ! Good job, Mike !!!!! 🙏✝️🙏✝️
Jesus said 5 different places in your little Bible, not to call him the Christ, so why do you? Do you know who son is the Christ? It's who the other Jesus calls the John 8:44 devil. You call him father, he call him the devil, what part of that don't you understand? I just find it laughable to read your comment, defending the devil. The Jesus ( there's two) from the world above said that deceivers like you will falsely call him the devil's Christ ( MT 24:4-5), and here you are.
@JK-uh4hb Brothers in Christ, is Brothers in the devil. That's who gave you the Christ. Where do you think the Christ comes from? The John 8:44 devil. Can you read? Do you know the difference between they, and I ? Try googling it, because you obviously are have trouble. When he says " I", as in Y'ALL will claim " I am the Christ", that makes the brothers in Christ, the deceivers. Hold for more, it gets WAY WAY WORSE for you. Matthew 24:4-5 Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.For many will come in my name, claiming, "I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. That's YOU
This study is in harmony with what Paul wrote: For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. [Eph 6:12]
Paul said do not harmonize the gospel, but divide it. This isn't for us. It is for us to study (showing a workmen) and know it, but it isn't about or for us.
Concerning the issue of John referencing the same Ezekiel passage in both chapter 19 and 20, which the Revelation text describes as being 1,000 years apart: perhaps some of the confusion is in assuming that "the day of the Lord", or "the day of Christ", is a 24-hour day. The Scripture declares that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. So, scripturally speaking, both chapter 19 and 20 are of the same day. It is conceivable to me that with that in mind Ezekiel's description was of that "day", which is 1,000 years long, and that would make referencing the same passage in both chapters consistent.
I don't think Ezekiel 38-39 are a1000 years apart, I do think that chapter 39 is a repetition of the previous chapter. Now for the final gog of Magog in revelation 20 at the end of the millennium, I think it is so so far removed from all prophecies of the Bible especially the old testament that no further information were given... And at the end of the day, it's the same enemy but this time destroyed for good.
Asia Minor seems to be the logical location of Gog/ Magog. In light of spiritual kingdoms behind the natural some of the interpretations leaning toward such cant be excluded. Gog and Magog are interpreted as having mountians, islands and coastlines.
@solarrtp827 yes. That region isn't exclusive to just turkey though. Turkey wasn't called turkey in the ancient times. Locating Gog and Magog is a bit of a legitimate debate. Prophetically Gog being the same as Asia or Asia Minor would make perfect sense. Spiritually the opposition to God. The backdrop of the seven Church ages. The place where the ark of Noah landed. Russia doesn't fit well, only describes a mountain region and the place of an agnostic tyrannical government of the past.
I would also like to propose it is also notable those places who are left out... For one it is interesting Egypt is not mentioned saying how prominent Egypt was to the ancient world.
Egypt isn't left out in other similar end time prophecies, they're just not an enemy in the end same for Dedan... The enemies comes from the north (i.e Daniel 11)
@@krackmusik97224I miss Mike very much, but he still drives me crazy. For example, why leave out the most relevant relative of Gomer imaginable, "Ashkenaz"
If the Hebrew word Rosh is never a place name wouldn’t it make sense that it is a mistranslation? And the “far reaches of the north” is not the coordinates on a terrestrial map, unless Mount Zion is also in Russia (Psalm 48:2)
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
It seems like seeing a prophetic vision is like watching a trailer to a movie. You see small clips from different viewpoints and some might not be in chronological order. When the writer says "Then I saw", it might not mean the events happen chronologically, it might just be the next clip in the trailer he was shown. Rev 20 could be 3 small clips shown to him in a row, but they are not in chronological order. Chronologically it could be: Rev 20:1-3 - devil sealed 1000 yrs before the trib. Rev 20:7-10 - devil released at the start of the trib. The little season is the trib. Devil fighting on day of the Lord and thrown into lake of fire. Rev 20:4-6 - 1st resurrection on the day of the Lord Rev 20:11-15 - 2nd resurrection 1000 yrs later.
Gog and Magog is at the end of Revelation when Satan gets loosed from the bottomless pit for a little season, and goes out to deceive the nations(four corners of the earth) with Gog and Magog, and he attacks the camp of the saints, but God rains down fire and brimstone from heaven.
No. Pre tribulation attempted invasion of Israel. It clearly states that Israel will be burying the dead for 7 months and salvaging and using the left over war materials for 7 years.
Alexander the great's mighty steed was Thessalonian by stock, and famously a young Alexander turned him about around by putting him opposed to his shadow then placing his mantle (cloak) upon his back and mounting him after placing the bits in his mouth. Wonder if there's any correlation there?
@@wesstone7571 - that would be great, you wanna help me rewrite the 'context' of the scriptures? What I know needs to get passed to the 'pros' so they can see all the implications and add their own knowledge TO what I have. Like one 'happy family' and Isaiah 52:15 fulfilled. If I had to condense it, it is the 'duality'... good and evil, used as forces to mold and make 'one' of and from the 'many'. The 'law' CANNOT be BROKEN (scriptures) you can 'think' you are, but then all you get is the fulfillment of the promise of 'curse'. Man is the glory of God... but woman is the glory of man. Any word in the Hebrew that ends in 'ah' is feminine. Thus... Torah (teaching), Ruah (spirit), Rah (evil), and even Yah (!) are ALL feminine. As such, the 'seed of a woman' refers to the 'law' or 'other ways' of being 'guided'. The birth pangs are just the struggles to do the right things consistently. The 'fruit' of the spirit is the result of the spirit 'knowing' you, understood in the same way that a man 'knows' a woman. Once one can understand what I have found, you can even deduce what Jesus wrote on the ground. The law cannot be fulfilled by the letter - not without BREAKING it [law]. Because it requires MAN to inflict the punishment of God... and since ALL have sinned - who then is worthy to judge? Thus the law cannot be fulfilled by the LETTER but it CAN be fulfilled in the spirit. Remember, 2 fathers, 2 spirits, and 1 son, being faught over (Numbers 23:19). Where the letter of the law 'fails', the 'spirit of the law' will be successful at accomplishing the 'purpose' of the law - to give us a future and a hope. Extra points (I have the Theodicy)... How would you feel if you were told that since you are NOT to call 'anyone in earth your father', you then have a choice between 2 fathers - father God or the father of lies. Guess who your 'father' is by 'default'. That's WHY we have to be 'reborn'. Revelation is much more than the 'monster story' that it has been made out to be. It is a MAP and a GUIDE of 'all' the things that a person should understand about a relationship through YHWH. The 'sovereignty' with which we are governed is so 'logical' it's like a 'machine' that cannot be broken, a 'beast' that cannot be overcome.
@@wesstone7571 - over 6,000 hours of content on this topic, since discovering it. The 'son of man' is not a person as much as it is the 'spirit' of the 'fallen' man. This is why the son of man has to repent (Numbers 23:19), has to find faith, and learns obedience through suffering (Hebrews 5:8). Romans 2:12-14 puts the law's umbrella into perspective. Have it or not... it 'applies'. But the GOOD NEWS is that the law CAN be fulfilled by one's very nature. Again, which comes in 2 different 'flavors' - good or evil. Evil allows for love and even mercy as both require partiality - and that's not kosher.
I think of Gog as a cross between Tolkien’s Balrog and Ghost Rider. I used the Balrog on my own teaching of Ezekiel 38-39, so I went with Ghost Rider for this one
Gog is unidentifiable because this war hasn't happened yet. Is it possible that Gog is an archetype of a past despot applied to a future one? Yes. The important parts are the nations and corresponding people's that will be involved and the timeline of what occurs.
In the book of Job it says that the Lord put hooks in Leviathan's mouth which is an allusion to Him removing Leviathan so that she can't cause chaos. It also states that Leviathan begged the Lord to be His slave meaning the peace the Lord gave to Leviathan was profound. It says that the Lord played with Leviathan. I prayed to God and this is more or less the interpretation I discerned by the Holy Spirit.
Ezekiel 38:8 has two separate events which are clearly separated by many years. This is overlooked by pretty much everyone. This explains the Rev 19 and 20 events being separated by a thousand years. After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
I think Heiser far too often confuses or conflates that which is spiritual with that which he believes is supernatural, at many times he refers to beings he believes are human (supernatural) yet it’s clear from the text these beings are indeed human but spoken of in (spiritual) context otherwise humanity can blame all its problems on dark supernatural forces they are powerless to stand against and be totally unaccountable for its own wickedness in the world. Heiser all more often than not attempts to put the square peg of futurism into the round hole of biblical eschatology rather than allow the text to reveal itself he must continue to stuff futurism and dispensationalism into it.
The same people/scholars that say Russia is not related to Edom/ Esau Magog nor 'armies of the north' are the same people that assume that Israel never moved north to Europe/ U.K. after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities...Prophecies of the already and the not yet..
Is it possible that og gog are the same but different personalities of the same? My husband was a sniper in the military. He used to say that he would have to become another person..like being 2 people.. when he was on a mission? Or if you have excessive amounts of drugs and alcohol and it is you but a different you? As if you had 2 personalities. If you are looking at the idea of an anti Christ, could the word to describe it mean of great wealth that could buy countries and collapse economies and influence governments? It would be bigger than Prime Minister or Rabbi or General.
Hashem refers to”The Word”, meaning the unpronounceable name of God . Many strict Orthodox Jews never use His name except by the Chief Priest/ Rabbi twice a year in holy days.
I just started....I wonder if they point out 37 comes first. Israel is resurrected (also John 3) and placed in their land. And he will rule over them. Then the idiots attack anyway. The timing is matched in Revelation 20. 7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
Gog and magog is getae and massagetae. They became the gutians and are related to Elam , edom and the amorites. Massagetae means royal getae. These tribes lived around the Zagros/Taurus mountains where mt judi lies. Also Ararat is there. These became Armenians/Armenoids. They are originally from Getulia berbers in Tunisia where Tertullian was from. All royals are Massagetae or Amazigh Amazones. The tribe of Dan is also from them as the Daehe tribe. Togarmah is mentioned in the bible. Now we call them germanic goths. Germanic means royal.
They worship gods similar to Prometheus/lucifer, Mars the soldier, Hades the gatekeeper of Sheol, Enki/Neptune god of kings. Anat the violent moon goddess.
Leviathan and behemoth might be cosmic metaphors, but they're also flesh. We'll be eating one of the Leviathans in the end. Everything in scripture has more than one meaning. God said he killed one to keep them from breeding. I doubt nothing in scripture and won't limit my creator. If God says there's a behemoth, there's a behemoth.
@@sammyo2583 you look things up especially on wiki and one link leads to another link to another link. And just follow it around. Like I learned most of the churches in revelation were in Turkey.
Lots of those old cities are known or are still around. Like Gaza, I think it's Zephaniah the Lord says he's going to raze it to the ground and here we are.
I appreciate all the work that was put into this study of Gog and Magog. However, I feel using demeaning words such as people are bogus for thinking this or that is not beneficial to bringing people closer to Yehovah and His word. I personally do not see that Eze 38-39 and Rev 20 are the same event, and it is not, as stated, because of a belief in the pretribulation rapture. I do not see evidence in a pretribulation rapture. I see they are different because Eze 39:12 has Israel burying the dead for 7 months. This is different than consuming or devouring the bodies in Rev 20:9. Also Eze 38:23 and Eze 39:6-7 has this was done so that Israel and the nations may know Him. At the end of the millennium, in Rev 20, there is the picture that all know the Christ, but there will be a rebellion against this known God. Finally, I see the scriptures in Isa 26:14 explaining that the Rephaim are deceased, their memory perished, and they cannot rise. Whereas in verse 19, Yehovah's followers will rise. Therefore, I do not see the Rephaim as being in hell or conscious, as it seemed you were explaining. Basically, I feel you have a lot of knowledge, but the name calling seems prideful, which, I have learned is a dangerous place to be. Thanks for your teaching.
I have a story that matches all of this exactly, both supernatural and not. It is different in one way. It is a Jewish place but not in today's Israel.
I dont think the Kingdom of 1000 years is past. In those times already the Messiah rules. but our time has been ruled by settan for over that time much longer.
I really like 99% of Michael Heiser's work. The only one thing he did not research is Tarshish. It is the Philippines. Not Spain! Why would King Ferdinand of Aragon contract with Cabot to find Tarshish if it was Spain?
@AsTheChaosDies it is a long story. Starts with Eber's son Joktan who is founder of The Philippines. Get a map. An old map. A very old Germanic map maker labeled The Philippines as Tarshish. Consider Jonah. He left from Solomon's port (today's Eliat), not the Mediterranean. He was spat up on the eastern side of the sea. It is just a hop away from Ninevah. Count the days Jonah had to get to his destination. From the Med coast he could not have traveled to Ninevah in time. There is more. Really read about King Ferdinand. If Tarshish was Spain, wouldn't he know because he is the Spanish king? King Solomon's mines were in The Philippines. Please read the Bible. No reference to Tarshish in Europe. And what about the early European explorers. They knew too.
Gog and magog in revelation is the same prophecy as the one in Ezekiel. For many reasons but the two that stand out are after the Ezekiel war is that it takes seven years to burn up all the weapons. In revelation there is no time after the battle because God dissolves the universe and begins the great white throne judgement. Also in Ezekiel, gog is destroyed is destroyed down to 1/6 , in revelation all are destroyed. The day of the Lord is the second coming Christ, Ezekiel 38,39 does not fit that. There are actually 3 days of the Lord. 1. When Isreal went into captivity 2. The second coming of Christ 3. The creation of the new heavens and new earth
@@jamesfarmer2748 Abadan is Satan in kiswahili. Another fun fact, the ancient Hebrew is Kiswahili, it was never lost, they just told the world Swahili came from amalgamation of Arabic language interaction with East African coastal languages. It's a beautiful and structured language fyi
He had at times interesting insights. Seems though he became transfixed on the esoteric , the supernatural realm. In this case, he speaks so confidently on how Rev 20 is referring to Ezekiel 38,39 and how it just fits. No, it does Not -- at all . Rev 20 , clearly equates Gog with the newly released devil. In Ezekiel, Gog is the prophesied hated enemy of God, expressed as the beast. The battle of Armageddon, described here and also as the 2nd harvest of Rev 14 is NOT what is in view in Rev 20. They Are 2 separate events. We can know this( Heiser omits this) by the fact that Rev 19 states clearly that after that great battle that Christ wins on His own, with the Words of His Mouth. The beast and false prophet are the first ones sent to the lake of fire. Rev 20 says after this 2ND described battle that the devil is thrown as well into the lake to join the other 2 who are there ALREADY! This only works if there are two separate events! Rev also describes the unholy trinity of the - dragon, beast and false prophet. It Could be that Gog is the spirit empowering the dragon and the beast. Which might explain God's special animosity for him and why HE calls him out specifically. In any case, I don't have a Dr in front of my name but it doesn't take one to see that all those passages are Not describing the same event. Heiser spends way too much effort trying to Spiritualize everything and applying the angelic realm to every explanation. Again in Ezekiel 39, even the part about burying any found (human) bones in the Land (Zion) he turns into a whole "story" on crossing over to the realm of the dead.. Instead of what it Clearly IS. This it says is done "to cleanse the Land"... Why?! Because the King is Coming to Claim His Throne and Rule there in Jerusalem!! The place is being prepared for His Triumphant Coronation and for the newly Sanctified Land to be readied to be allocated to the tribes. Way, way off on this but to his credit he was right on the money about where this land of Gog is based. In and around Turkey and Not Russia! His is a cautionary tale of what happens when you focus on the creation and thus minimize the Creator! Unfortunately, it appeared he would relish speaking for hours on the council or the unseen realm but I don't recall every hearing the Gospel from him. 🤔 And that folks is to be our commanded commitment to the world for our LORD! Amen?!???!
Exactly 👍…Armageddon and the battle of Gog/Magog are two separate events. Armageddon is concluded by the second coming of Jesus and begins the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ when satan is locked up for 1000 years. So God saves Israel at the battle of Armageddon by the second coming of Jesus, not the iron dome. The battle of Gog/Magog/Ezekiel 38 occurs at the end of the 1000 year millennial reign when satan is released and that is concluded with fire from God in heaven. Revelation 20:7 KJV “And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, “ Revelation 20:8 KJV “and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.” God bless you and keep you all safe 🙏
@@RobTheTruth Thanks for responding , though it's evident you did not address any fact I presented. You declared yourself just a follower and state something you are sure about but of course that is just an empty Proclamation because you don't have any basis on which to be so sure. But facts and truth never does get in the way of people like you. Your idea of apologetics is to state - I think and I'm sure as the foundation of your beliefs. Not good. I recommend you abandon this tack and turn only to Scripture for any reliance on what you believe.🤔👍
I love Heiser but his eschatology was not his strong point. He also subscribed to replacement theology which seems to support his amillennium-type views on the end times.
Revelation 20 told you when Gog and Magog is and WHO it is agaisnt and it is NOT them that are Babylon trying to force the vision for them they are the robbers of the true people of spirit and faith. 1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. 11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
_"they are the robbers of the true people "_ You forgot to include scripture that will support anything you say! Find those robbers in the bible and lets see it!
@@AverageAmerican Daniel 11 14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
There is another perspective which no one touched. When you read the voyages of Marco Polo he mentions the The Chinese (Asians) as Magog/Magul. What about GOG. Here is where the riddle becomes very scary. Gog MIGHT be a LANGUAGE. and MAGOG might be also a LANGUAGE. If this perspective it is correct: a) THE GOG language its is a BIG Tree that has as branches all the languages of EUROPE, WESTERN ASIA, SOUTH WESTERN ASIA, and MIDDLE EAST. b) MAGOG has the branches all the languages of EAST Asia, and The SOUTH EASTERN ASIA. Taking into consideration that as a result of the colonizations European Languages (GOG) dispersed in Americas, Australia, South and North Africa (add MAGOG) the number of those that would go against Israel would be the whole Earth's Population able to bear arms. Thus Since the LAnguage of NOAH, Shem and Japheth were not affected by the new 70 Language forced over the 70 rebellious tribes on the Tower of Babel GOG might be the common Language. Sin/HSIN was the only one that rebelled/disobeyed the will of NIMROD to build the Tower and went away. His language becomes the Root language for Magog. And since at that time God had not yet separated the earth with waters they were able to spread in the pacific and near North Pole areas. the creation of new families and the spreading to conquer land / STAN (translation - the place where the shepherd keeps the sheep/cattle and/or other domestic/ated animals (deer, swine, rabbit, poultry rabbit) with these initial distancing of the new families (mostly nomadic in the beginning) there was the birth of the dialects which later evolved into new same base languages. Indo-European (Sanskrit included). Todays dialects in China are like so diverse that if it wasn't for Mandarin and Cantonese translator's job there would be the most important. The GOG mAGOG Invasion becomes also possible since this would happen after the Rapture, and it is logical that since there are no more Christians to resist the only population (believing in the REAL GOD) left would be the JEWISH Believers. These nonbelievers in order to survive and cheat death would also be chipped/marked or have done whatever other thing that changes their DNA, and has turned them superhuman'superheroes, giants, nephillim, non dying entities. This would be another explanation why they would go against the repented Israel .
nope. they are names of desdendants Magog and Majul. of Japhetic tribes. it is not known fully if they mixed also with nephilim tribes but there are some implications to it.
Part 2 begins @~56:00
Michael was an amazing educator and a true servant of the Lord.Hopefully,we can meet him soon!
Thanks for keeping his podcasts alive. I have listened just about every night for 4 years.
I miss Mike. 😢😢. His teaching is inspiring and has drawn me so much closer to God and his word.
I miss Chuck more
I miss them both. And Russ Dizdar
I do too. Mike was one of a very rare breed. He helped me so much.
What happened to Mike?
@@brethren4life152 passed away from cancer last year
Thanks for this , please pray for me to think of the scriptures and the Lord and His Day, and no longer be distracted by my flesh, Problems Or the Carnal mind ! Thank you.
We miss you, Mike so much more to learn
Another casualty of the Cvd vax. Him and Morris Proctor from Logos
I’ve always had a hard time with pastors saying Ezekiel 38-39 is some Russian invasion. I’ve never felt like it was right in my heart. Michael Heiser really clears it up here.
Happened 999 years ago.
Same here and thank you
Its not Russia. Russia did not even exist when these prophecies were made. Sons of Japheth mentioned are very eastern Mongolian or middle eastern tribes. Definitely something turkic.
Also Alexander the great is said to have sealed gog and magog tribes underground. They were more or less said to be cannibals.
@nicechock WOW! I had not heard that before. Very interesting! Do you have a source I can check out?
I miss him too. How paradoxical to have two fervent defenders of the Bible in heaven but diametrically opposed to the understanding of God and Magog . I am talking about Chuck Misler. Now they know the truth from God himself.
Malachi 4:3
“And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.”
Amazingly good and clear teaching, with remarkably good theology….thank you. I shared it
Heiser was just sublime.
don't talk ugly about your brother in christ thinking you're so smart ! a christian has 0 desire to talk ugly of Mike in this teaching. Mike is giving us truth here and is a brother in christ, so the bashing on him is coming from a few that are false as Jesus, and those in him are kind and loving ! Good job, Mike !!!!! 🙏✝️🙏✝️
Jesus said 5 different places in your little Bible, not to call him the Christ, so why do you? Do you know who son is the Christ? It's who the other Jesus calls the John 8:44 devil. You call him father, he call him the devil, what part of that don't you understand? I just find it laughable to read your comment, defending the devil. The Jesus ( there's two) from the world above said that deceivers like you will falsely call him the devil's Christ ( MT 24:4-5), and here you are.
@Imahuckleberry what an absolutely ignorant comment. Go in peace.
@@Imahuckleberry what a bunch of nonsense
@Imahuckleberry Please, please... Read with context my friend. You're playing a dangerous game. 😞
@JK-uh4hb Brothers in Christ, is Brothers in the devil. That's who gave you the Christ. Where do you think the Christ comes from? The John 8:44 devil.
Can you read? Do you know the difference between they, and I ? Try googling it, because you obviously are have trouble. When he says " I", as in Y'ALL will claim " I am the Christ", that makes the brothers in Christ, the deceivers. Hold for more, it gets WAY WAY WORSE for you.
Matthew 24:4-5
Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you.For many will come in my name, claiming,
"I am the Messiah,’
and will deceive many.
That's YOU
I only knew Mike last year and he just recently passed.
He is now enjoying heaven and for sure asking Jesus with all of his questions.
Thank you for your time. All new information to me.
Great, straight teaching! Thank you!!
This study is in harmony with what Paul wrote: For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. [Eph 6:12]
Those who love the darkness more than the light.
Paul said do not harmonize the gospel, but divide it. This isn't for us. It is for us to study (showing a workmen) and know it, but it isn't about or for us.
Yep. Like in star wars.
Love his teaching, I remember from many years ago how I enjoyed Heiser teaching.
SUMMARY at 54:47
Thank god for brother Heiser teachings ( we suffered from $$$$ preachers 50 years
Still do.
@@wesstone7571 yea
Concerning the issue of John referencing the same Ezekiel passage in both chapter 19 and 20, which the Revelation text describes as being 1,000 years apart: perhaps some of the confusion is in assuming that "the day of the Lord", or "the day of Christ", is a 24-hour day. The Scripture declares that a day with the Lord is as a thousand years. So, scripturally speaking, both chapter 19 and 20 are of the same day. It is conceivable to me that with that in mind Ezekiel's description was of that "day", which is 1,000 years long, and that would make referencing the same passage in both chapters consistent.
That is NOT always the case. That exist only in prophecy
It is not that way in most of the Bible
I don't think Ezekiel 38-39 are a1000 years apart, I do think that chapter 39 is a repetition of the previous chapter. Now for the final gog of Magog in revelation 20 at the end of the millennium, I think it is so so far removed from all prophecies of the Bible especially the old testament that no further information were given...
And at the end of the day, it's the same enemy but this time destroyed for good.
Asia Minor seems to be the logical location of Gog/ Magog. In light of spiritual kingdoms behind the natural some of the interpretations leaning toward such cant be excluded. Gog and Magog are interpreted as having mountians, islands and coastlines.
Asia Minor denotes Turkey
@solarrtp827 yes. That region isn't exclusive to just turkey though. Turkey wasn't called turkey in the ancient times. Locating Gog and Magog is a bit of a legitimate debate.
Prophetically Gog being the same as Asia or Asia Minor would make perfect sense. Spiritually the opposition to God. The backdrop of the seven Church ages. The place where the ark of Noah landed. Russia doesn't fit well, only describes a mountain region and the place of an agnostic tyrannical government of the past.
Gog = the synaGoG of satan who are the nazi bloodline who is the entire Western European oligarchy!
Excellent scholarship
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Great lecture.
I would also like to propose it is also notable those places who are left out...
For one it is interesting Egypt is not mentioned saying how prominent Egypt was to the ancient world.
They’re not prominent anymore.
Egypt isn't left out in other similar end time prophecies, they're just not an enemy in the end same for Dedan... The enemies comes from the north (i.e Daniel 11)
@@krackmusik97224I miss Mike very much, but he still drives me crazy. For example, why leave out the most relevant relative of Gomer imaginable, "Ashkenaz"
The Sar Paras of Persia withstood Michael for 2 weeks. I would say he's still there to fight against the Sar Yisrael!
Agreed
If there was no ancient place of Rosh, wouldn't it make sense that it was pure prophecy, and it corresponds with "the far reaches of the north".
If the Hebrew word Rosh is never a place name wouldn’t it make sense that it is a mistranslation? And the “far reaches of the north” is not the coordinates on a terrestrial map, unless Mount Zion is also in Russia (Psalm 48:2)
@@AsTheChaosDies I think you two are talking past each other
And when the thousand years are ended, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will come out to deceive the nations that are at the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them for battle; their number is like the sand of the sea.
I think you have it almost right. The getting rid of the devil is a 2 part thing... or so I think.
It seems like seeing a prophetic vision is like watching a trailer to a movie. You see small clips from different viewpoints and some might not be in chronological order.
When the writer says "Then I saw", it might not mean the events happen chronologically, it might just be the next clip in the trailer he was shown.
Rev 20 could be 3 small clips shown to him in a row, but they are not in chronological order.
Chronologically it could be:
Rev 20:1-3 - devil sealed 1000 yrs before the trib.
Rev 20:7-10 - devil released at the start of the trib. The little season is the trib. Devil fighting on day of the Lord and thrown into lake of fire.
Rev 20:4-6 - 1st resurrection on the day of the Lord
Rev 20:11-15 - 2nd resurrection 1000 yrs later.
Gog and Magog is at the end of Revelation when Satan gets loosed from the bottomless pit for a little season, and goes out to deceive the nations(four corners of the earth) with Gog and Magog, and he attacks the camp of the saints, but God rains down fire and brimstone from heaven.
No. Pre tribulation attempted invasion of Israel. It clearly states that Israel will be burying the dead for 7 months and salvaging and using the left over war materials for 7 years.
Alexander the great's mighty steed was Thessalonian by stock, and famously a young Alexander turned him about around by putting him opposed to his shadow then placing his mantle (cloak) upon his back and mounting him after placing the bits in his mouth. Wonder if there's any correlation there?
I haven’t heard Michael since Art passed.
those that are bored need to move on !!!!!!!
Yup. Stinks to have missed him so close... I have the rest of the 'dots' - and nobody to give them to? 😔
Then teach them like he did.
@@wesstone7571 - that would be great, you wanna help me rewrite the 'context' of the scriptures?
What I know needs to get passed to the 'pros' so they can see all the implications and add their own knowledge TO what I have. Like one 'happy family' and Isaiah 52:15 fulfilled.
If I had to condense it, it is the 'duality'... good and evil, used as forces to mold and make 'one' of and from the 'many'.
The 'law' CANNOT be BROKEN (scriptures) you can 'think' you are, but then all you get is the fulfillment of the promise of 'curse'.
Man is the glory of God... but woman is the glory of man.
Any word in the Hebrew that ends in 'ah' is feminine. Thus... Torah (teaching), Ruah (spirit), Rah (evil), and even Yah (!) are ALL feminine. As such, the 'seed of a woman' refers to the 'law' or 'other ways' of being 'guided'.
The birth pangs are just the struggles to do the right things consistently. The 'fruit' of the spirit is the result of the spirit 'knowing' you, understood in the same way that a man 'knows' a woman.
Once one can understand what I have found, you can even deduce what Jesus wrote on the ground.
The law cannot be fulfilled by the letter - not without BREAKING it [law]. Because it requires MAN to inflict the punishment of God... and since ALL have sinned - who then is worthy to judge?
Thus the law cannot be fulfilled by the LETTER but it CAN be fulfilled in the spirit. Remember, 2 fathers, 2 spirits, and 1 son, being faught over (Numbers 23:19).
Where the letter of the law 'fails', the 'spirit of the law' will be successful at accomplishing the 'purpose' of the law - to give us a future and a hope.
Extra points (I have the Theodicy)...
How would you feel if you were told that since you are NOT to call 'anyone in earth your father', you then have a choice between 2 fathers - father God or the father of lies. Guess who your 'father' is by 'default'. That's WHY we have to be 'reborn'.
Revelation is much more than the 'monster story' that it has been made out to be. It is a MAP and a GUIDE of 'all' the things that a person should understand about a relationship through YHWH. The 'sovereignty' with which we are governed is so 'logical' it's like a 'machine' that cannot be broken, a 'beast' that cannot be overcome.
@@wesstone7571 - over 6,000 hours of content on this topic, since discovering it. The 'son of man' is not a person as much as it is the 'spirit' of the 'fallen' man. This is why the son of man has to repent (Numbers 23:19), has to find faith, and learns obedience through suffering (Hebrews 5:8).
Romans 2:12-14 puts the law's umbrella into perspective. Have it or not... it 'applies'. But the GOOD NEWS is that the law CAN be fulfilled by one's very nature. Again, which comes in 2 different 'flavors' - good or evil.
Evil allows for love and even mercy as both require partiality - and that's not kosher.
Gog, Magog, and ghost rider
I think of Gog as a cross between Tolkien’s Balrog and Ghost Rider. I used the Balrog on my own teaching of Ezekiel 38-39, so I went with Ghost Rider for this one
@@AsTheChaosDiesoh there are many connections. Gog and magog might cannibal giants. Balrog is a giant demon too.
@@AsTheChaosDies gog means goth.... it is written.
@@AsTheChaosDiesI really thought this was a Tolkien thing till I listened
I miss Mike, too! But his. SPIRIT is with His Saviour.
Is there any copyrite problem by using these audios?
I need the cliffs notes version
Gog is unidentifiable because this war hasn't happened yet. Is it possible that Gog is an archetype of a past despot applied to a future one? Yes. The important parts are the nations and corresponding people's that will be involved and the timeline of what occurs.
Gog = synaGoG of satan
THE CROSSING OF THE JORDAN RIVER ALWAYS ALLUDED INTO SPIRIT WORLD. I.E ELIJAH AND THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL INTO "THE KINGDOM OF GOD."
In the book of Job it says that the Lord put hooks in Leviathan's mouth which is an allusion to Him removing Leviathan so that she can't cause chaos. It also states that Leviathan begged the Lord to be His slave meaning the peace the Lord gave to Leviathan was profound. It says that the Lord played with Leviathan. I prayed to God and this is more or less the interpretation I discerned by the Holy Spirit.
Da goat
Please change the picture
I think it’s a nice picture. It really forefronts the gravity of situation.
Why leave out the most relevant relative of Gomer imaginable Mike? "Ashkenaz"...
that's just a cohencidence
@@kittydaddy2023 😉
Ezekiel 38:8 has two separate events which are clearly separated by many years. This is overlooked by pretty much everyone. This explains the Rev 19 and 20 events being separated by a thousand years.
After many days thou shalt be visited: in the latter years thou shalt come into the land that is brought back from the sword, and is gathered out of many people, against the mountains of Israel, which have been always waste: but it is brought forth out of the nations, and they shall dwell safely all of them.
_"is gathered out of many people,"_
the USA
❤MH
I am aware of a sacrificial place with a Temple with a Golden Dome, but it is associated with today's Israel but not in today's Israel.
I think Heiser far too often confuses or conflates that which is spiritual with that which he believes is supernatural, at many times he refers to beings he believes are human (supernatural) yet it’s clear from the text these beings are indeed human but spoken of in (spiritual) context otherwise humanity can blame all its problems on dark supernatural forces they are powerless to stand against and be totally unaccountable for its own wickedness in the world. Heiser all more often than not attempts to put the square peg of futurism into the round hole of biblical eschatology rather than allow the text to reveal itself he must continue to stuff futurism and dispensationalism into it.
Well he ain't stuffin nothin nowhere anymore.
The same people/scholars that say Russia is not related to Edom/ Esau Magog nor 'armies of the north' are the same people that assume that Israel never moved north to Europe/ U.K. after the Assyrian and Babylonian captivities...Prophecies of the already and the not yet..
Is it possible that og gog are the same but different personalities of the same? My husband was a sniper in the military. He used to say that he would have to become another person..like being 2 people.. when he was on a mission? Or if you have excessive amounts of drugs and alcohol and it is you but a different you? As if you had 2 personalities.
If you are looking at the idea of an anti Christ, could the word to describe it mean of great wealth that could buy countries and collapse economies and influence governments? It would be bigger than Prime Minister or Rabbi or General.
Gog = the synaGoG of satan
antichrist = pope
To hard to read Revelation 20 for WHEN and WHO to blind
I think Rosh means something like "ruler".
I believe ur right.
Glory to the Father in the Highest, Yah is the name not Hashem
Hashem refers to”The Word”, meaning the unpronounceable name of God . Many strict Orthodox Jews never use His name except by the Chief Priest/ Rabbi twice a year in holy days.
@@Katya-zj7ni maybe if they wrote down vowels the name wouldn't be unpronounceable.
I’m not dogmatic on this topic. However, this line of thought/teaching doesn’t allow for prophetical naming of nations.
I just started watching this...but did you notice the word "chief"? Look up the Hebrew on this, interesting to say the least.
‼️ Deuteronomy 28;43-45 is taken place in the USA ‼️
Gog and Magog have nothing to do with Russia
I just started....I wonder if they point out 37 comes first. Israel is resurrected (also John 3) and placed in their land. And he will rule over them. Then the idiots attack anyway. The timing is matched in Revelation 20.
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea.
So Ezekiel 38 means nothing in the modern world. Since all valid prophecy must come to pass, when was this fulfilled?
Did you listen to the whole teaching?
Gog and magog is getae and massagetae. They became the gutians and are related to Elam , edom and the amorites. Massagetae means royal getae. These tribes lived around the Zagros/Taurus mountains where mt judi lies. Also Ararat is there. These became Armenians/Armenoids. They are originally from Getulia berbers in Tunisia where Tertullian was from. All royals are Massagetae or Amazigh Amazones. The tribe of Dan is also from them as the Daehe tribe. Togarmah is mentioned in the bible. Now we call them germanic goths. Germanic means royal.
They worship gods similar to Prometheus/lucifer, Mars the soldier, Hades the gatekeeper of Sheol, Enki/Neptune god of kings. Anat the violent moon goddess.
They are Japhet. Yaho is The egyptian lucifer Khnum/Seth. The Ram.
Gutians conquered Akkad and Babylon and goths conquered Rome.
They are called Qudi and Cutha in the bible. Kurds are culturally related to them.
They invented the amphetamine fueled religion of Ahura Mazda who is prometheus.
Leviathan and behemoth might be cosmic metaphors, but they're also flesh. We'll be eating one of the Leviathans in the end. Everything in scripture has more than one meaning. God said he killed one to keep them from breeding. I doubt nothing in scripture and won't limit my creator.
If God says there's a behemoth, there's a behemoth.
Even so, come Lord Jesus
Look up Eliphaz Levi and his LEVIATHAN-symbol
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You read the scripture out loud in this video saying Gog is north of Israel. What part of that do you not comprehend?
Was Mike a full preterist?
No
Meshec and tubal are in Russia below Moscow
Who told you that ?
@@sammyo2583 you look things up especially on wiki and one link leads to another link to another link. And just follow it around. Like I learned most of the churches in revelation were in Turkey.
Lots of those old cities are known or are still around. Like Gaza, I think it's Zephaniah the Lord says he's going to raze it to the ground and here we are.
@@JasonEverley that wasn’t the question, who told you Meshec and Tubal are in Russia, below Moscow
@@sammyo2583 like I said I looked it up
The good die young, I wish it wasn't so
Is North America considered North?
no
I would have subscribed but you had no text on the screen . can't learn with out text , sorry .
Oh you poor thing
I appreciate all the work that was put into this study of Gog and Magog. However, I feel using demeaning words such as people are bogus for thinking this or that is not beneficial to bringing people closer to Yehovah and His word. I personally do not see that Eze 38-39 and Rev 20 are the same event, and it is not, as stated, because of a belief in the pretribulation rapture. I do not see evidence in a pretribulation rapture. I see they are different because Eze 39:12 has Israel burying the dead for 7 months. This is different than consuming or devouring the bodies in Rev 20:9. Also Eze 38:23 and Eze 39:6-7 has this was done so that Israel and the nations may know Him. At the end of the millennium, in Rev 20, there is the picture that all know the Christ, but there will be a rebellion against this known God. Finally, I see the scriptures in Isa 26:14 explaining that the Rephaim are deceased, their memory perished, and they cannot rise. Whereas in verse 19, Yehovah's followers will rise. Therefore, I do not see the Rephaim as being in hell or conscious, as it seemed you were explaining. Basically, I feel you have a lot of knowledge, but the name calling seems prideful, which, I have learned is a dangerous place to be. Thanks for your teaching.
I have a story that matches all of this exactly, both supernatural and not. It is different in one way. It is a Jewish place but not in today's Israel.
Gog was grandson of Noah magog is in russia.
Gog = synaGoG of satan
Already happened about 999 years ago.
I dont think the Kingdom of 1000 years is past. In those times already the Messiah rules. but our time has been ruled by settan for over that time much longer.
@@nicechock it’s not past. It’s happening now. It’s about to end and the rapture will happen very soon.
Everything already happened. We are in the little season.
I really like 99% of Michael Heiser's work. The only one thing he did not research is Tarshish. It is the Philippines. Not Spain! Why would King Ferdinand of Aragon contract with Cabot to find Tarshish if it was Spain?
Why do you believe it is the Philippines?
@AsTheChaosDies it is a long story. Starts with Eber's son Joktan who is founder of The Philippines. Get a map. An old map. A very old Germanic map maker labeled The Philippines as Tarshish. Consider Jonah. He left from Solomon's port (today's Eliat), not the Mediterranean. He was spat up on the eastern side of the sea. It is just a hop away from Ninevah. Count the days Jonah had to get to his destination. From the Med coast he could not have traveled to Ninevah in time. There is more. Really read about King Ferdinand. If Tarshish was Spain, wouldn't he know because he is the Spanish king? King Solomon's mines were in The Philippines. Please read the Bible. No reference to Tarshish in Europe. And what about the early European explorers. They knew too.
Tartessus is in Spain. Tarshish is in The Philippines
Tarshish is England
To bad Heiser... didn't learn from Chuck Missler...about Gog and Magog.
Gog/Magog is at the end of the millennial reign....
Gog and magog in revelation is the same prophecy as the one in Ezekiel. For many reasons but the two that stand out are after the Ezekiel war is that it takes seven years to burn up all the weapons. In revelation there is no time after the battle because God dissolves the universe and begins the great white throne judgement. Also in Ezekiel, gog is destroyed is destroyed down to 1/6 , in revelation all are destroyed.
The day of the Lord is the second coming Christ, Ezekiel 38,39 does not fit that.
There are actually 3 days of the Lord.
1. When Isreal went into captivity
2. The second coming of Christ
3. The creation of the new heavens and new earth
Gog is a prince/fallen angel also known as apollo.
Actually it's Russian presidency.
Gog is he who will lead Russia at that particular time
Apollo is Apollion the destroyer also Abaddon in hebrew
@@jamesfarmer2748 Abadan is Satan in kiswahili.
Another fun fact, the ancient Hebrew is Kiswahili, it was never lost, they just told the world Swahili came from amalgamation of Arabic language interaction with East African coastal languages. It's a beautiful and structured language fyi
Gog-Magog Anatolia/Turkey. Asia Minor. Mike Heiser was an absolutely gifted teacher. We are blessed with voluminous information he left.
@@henryodindo3131 Tell me you didn't listen to the video without telling me...
Biggest waste of my time in quite awhile! I did catch he thinks Ez. 38-39 are spiritual. That’s when I knew I needed to turn this guy off!
_"Ez. 38-39 are spiritual."_
You can't run from the spirituality of spiritual texts!
Full of it, gog described as Noah s grand son, which is Russia, so much for scholarship.
See tables of nations ( Noah's sons and grandsons
He had at times interesting insights. Seems though he became transfixed on the esoteric , the supernatural realm.
In this case, he speaks so confidently on how Rev 20 is referring to Ezekiel 38,39 and how it just fits. No, it does Not -- at all . Rev 20 , clearly equates Gog with the newly released devil. In Ezekiel, Gog is the prophesied hated enemy of God, expressed as the beast. The battle of Armageddon, described here and also as the 2nd harvest of Rev 14 is NOT what is in view in Rev 20. They Are 2 separate events. We can know this( Heiser omits this) by the fact that Rev 19 states clearly that after that great battle that Christ wins on His own, with the Words of His Mouth. The beast and false prophet are the first ones sent to the lake of fire. Rev 20 says after this 2ND described battle that the devil is thrown as well into the lake to join the other 2 who are there ALREADY! This only works if there are two separate events!
Rev also describes the unholy trinity of the - dragon, beast and false prophet. It Could be that Gog is the spirit empowering the dragon and the beast. Which might explain God's special animosity for him and why HE calls him out specifically. In any case, I don't have a Dr in front of my name but it doesn't take one to see that all those passages are Not describing the same event. Heiser spends way too much effort trying to Spiritualize everything and applying the angelic realm to every explanation. Again in Ezekiel 39, even the part about burying any found (human) bones in the Land (Zion) he turns into a whole "story" on crossing over to the realm of the dead.. Instead of what it Clearly IS. This it says is done "to cleanse the Land"... Why?! Because the King is Coming to Claim His Throne and Rule there in Jerusalem!! The place is being prepared for His Triumphant Coronation and for the newly Sanctified Land to be readied to be allocated to the tribes.
Way, way off on this but to his credit he was right on the money about where this land of Gog is based. In and around Turkey and Not Russia! His is a cautionary tale of what happens when you focus on the creation and thus minimize the Creator! Unfortunately, it appeared he would relish speaking for hours on the council or the unseen realm but I don't recall every hearing the Gospel from him. 🤔 And that folks is to be our commanded commitment to the world for our LORD!
Amen?!???!
Exactly 👍…Armageddon and the battle of Gog/Magog are two separate events. Armageddon is concluded by the second coming of Jesus and begins the 1000 year millennial reign of Christ when satan is locked up for 1000 years. So God saves Israel at the battle of Armageddon by the second coming of Jesus, not the iron dome.
The battle of Gog/Magog/Ezekiel 38 occurs at the end of the 1000 year millennial reign when satan is released and that is concluded with fire from God in heaven.
Revelation 20:7 KJV
“And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, “
Revelation 20:8 KJV
“and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.”
God bless you and keep you all safe 🙏
Maybe that was his calling ....to bring the unseen realm to the masses, because it’s not mentioned that much by pastors
Your such the expositor I'm sure he was much more qualified than you
@@RobTheTruth Thanks for responding , though it's evident you did not address any fact I presented. You declared yourself just a follower and state something you are sure about but of course that is just an empty Proclamation because you don't have any basis on which to be so sure. But facts and truth never does get in the way of people like you. Your idea of apologetics is to state - I think and I'm sure as the foundation of your beliefs. Not good.
I recommend you abandon this tack and turn only to Scripture for any reliance on what you believe.🤔👍
I love Heiser but his eschatology was not his strong point. He also subscribed to replacement theology which seems to support his amillennium-type views on the end times.
Northern nations is Russia. Persia is Iran.
Guess you didn't listen.
@suzannakoizumi8605 I heard enough of it until the Holy Spirit of God told to stop.
Is that the freakin night rider? Nicholas Cage is Gog and Magog
It’s the Ghost Rider. The Knight Rider was David Hasselhoff. He is definitely not gog
@AsTheChaosDies I'm not much into mainstream media, I tried 😂
@@paddypibblet846 I thought it was funny
Its gog of magog. Not gog and magog. Meaning a demon named gog whos from the area/region of magog. 🙄🤦♂️
gog = synaGoG of satan
Syntheians Kazarian to the north...
Rosch is Russia. Why is the krakkeur trying to defend Russia?
Yeah but who do we hear is supporting Iran right now? Prophesy or not? I really don't care at this point.
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Revelation 20 told you when Gog and Magog is and WHO it is agaisnt and it is NOT them that are Babylon trying to force the vision for them they are the robbers of the true people of spirit and faith.
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
_"they are the robbers of the true people "_
You forgot to include scripture that will support anything you say! Find those robbers in the bible and lets see it!
@@AverageAmerican Daniel 11 14 And in those times there shall many stand up against the king of the south: also the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.
Once again, Heiser is way out in left field, incorporating passages he doesn't understand into his delusional scenario.
Armageddon at the end of tribulation and that the end of ages
Are Noah’s sons other than Shem who tutored Abraham, known as gentiles, Jews, or fake Jews.
Look up satan little season and all will make sense. Rev 20
God Created Everything about six thousand years ago during Creation week
So gog is spiritual??? Not buying it all the other names are from real countries and so is gog.
Gog and magog is China and Russia.
the synaGoG of satan
There is another perspective which no one touched. When you read the voyages of Marco Polo he mentions the The Chinese (Asians) as Magog/Magul. What about GOG.
Here is where the riddle becomes very scary. Gog MIGHT be a LANGUAGE. and MAGOG might be also a LANGUAGE. If this perspective it is correct:
a) THE GOG language its is a BIG Tree that has as branches all the languages of EUROPE, WESTERN ASIA, SOUTH WESTERN ASIA, and MIDDLE EAST.
b) MAGOG has the branches all the languages of EAST Asia, and The SOUTH EASTERN ASIA.
Taking into consideration that as a result of the colonizations European Languages (GOG) dispersed in Americas, Australia, South and North Africa (add MAGOG) the number of those that would go against Israel would be the whole Earth's Population able to bear arms.
Thus Since the LAnguage of NOAH, Shem and Japheth were not affected by the new 70 Language forced over the 70 rebellious tribes on the Tower of Babel GOG might be the common Language.
Sin/HSIN was the only one that rebelled/disobeyed the will of NIMROD to build the Tower and went away. His language becomes the Root language for Magog. And since at that time God had not yet separated the earth with waters they were able to spread in the pacific and near North Pole areas. the creation of new families and the spreading to conquer land / STAN (translation - the place where the shepherd keeps the sheep/cattle and/or other domestic/ated animals (deer, swine, rabbit, poultry rabbit) with these initial distancing of the new families (mostly nomadic in the beginning) there was the birth of the dialects which later evolved into new same base languages. Indo-European (Sanskrit included).
Todays dialects in China are like so diverse that if it wasn't for Mandarin and Cantonese translator's job there would be the most important.
The GOG mAGOG Invasion becomes also possible since this would happen after the Rapture, and it is logical that since there are no more Christians to resist the only population (believing in the REAL GOD) left would be the JEWISH Believers.
These nonbelievers in order to survive and cheat death would also be chipped/marked or have done whatever other thing that changes their DNA, and has turned them superhuman'superheroes, giants, nephillim, non dying entities. This would be another explanation why they would go against the repented Israel .
I think you're onto something here. In Revelation when the locust's come out of The earth and they chew the people and they beg to die but cannot.
nope. they are names of desdendants Magog and Majul. of Japhetic tribes. it is not known fully if they mixed also with nephilim tribes but there are some implications to it.
this is easily proven because in the Bible, the Creator talks to them as to persons and declares their destruction.
Babel was after the flood. The flood separated the earth with waters.
Here comes Russia!
Pre Arabian, THE BARBARIAN GOG OF MAGOG AND HIS IRON WALLS. REWRITTEN KJV, BLAH BLAH BLAH........