Whey Protein Will Mess You Up! Concentrate vs. Isolate vs. Hydrolyzed | What the Fitness | Biolayne
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He actually went ahead and started wearing a labcoat like he said in the diet coke vid couple weeks back, now that's dedication
Which protein should I grab? Not sure… I want to gain weight and muscle so I’m leaning toward getting the extra calories in with the concentrate. Pls let me know
I’m lactose intolerant, and I have whey isolate every day with zero problems.
I even used to use that specific one from the video! It's great.
Same here, I'm lactose intolerant and whey doesn't cause me discomfort like milk does but it does cause inflammation, and it manifest in many different forms if not today, somewhere down the line it will.
Same here. Lactose intolerant, GERD, diagnosed IBS and gastritis and this is the only option for me. Works a treat...just had some as I was watching the video!
@@G3O.On3 hydrolyzed whey is lactose free. No inflammation from that type
To be true you’re saying it doesn’t give you gas?
@@KurokamiNajimi yes. Only isolates though, regular whey is not good for me.
No doubt, you've become my favorite fitness/nutrition channel. Keep up the great work Doc!
Love his content too!
My favorite is that whey protein causes belly fat. Lmao. No dude, eating too many calories causes belly fat.
My man! I thought the same thing. Prob eating in excess to begin with and then additional calories from shakes will do that to u lol
Also alcohol. That’s why I don’t drink and why? I used to be an alcoholic and well… from 18 years old through 24, I was a heavy drinker and relied on fast food. 28 now and getting leaner, bigger, stronger and alcohol free since 24 years old. Advice, drink moderately, dont eat fast food much and avoid having a transyugular liver biopsy (the reason I don’t drink or eat fast food)
I consider whey protein a revolution in food technology. It is literally convenience at your table to easily meet your daily protein needs. Of course we dont need it but life becomes much easier with it.
Right but there’s plant protein powders. More than half the population have some type of intolerance to milk. I didn’t notice I myself do until I started becoming more health conscious, fucked up thing is that I also have gluten intolerance so anything with wheat I have to shy away from most of the time. So many things have wheat and milk lmao
Why only is 18% from 30 grams
Yep. That is true.
@@KurokamiNajimi Plant proteins are not well absorbed in the body, for example 50g of whey protein is equivalent to 100g of rye/barley/wheat protein. And 100g of whey protein is equivalent to 82g of soy protein. You can calculate this from the DIAAS score of proteins.
@@lessgo16 Scores don’t matter they’re theoretical numbers. When you’re eating a lot of calories it’s impossible to not get enough amino acids, especially when we’re eating a variety of food. The absorption rate is shown to be 89-92% for plant sources, 91 for eggs and meat, and 95 for milk. The research showing that noted that the plant sources were from low quality ingredients at that. Have you actually tried using nothing but plant protein for 30 days? Look up Alpha Destiny he is plant based
Thanks for the video! Keep these coming!!
This has become one of my favorite videos on the internet now.
Straight firing off facts out here, you love to see it!
Yup, right when he made his list of what whey does I was like “you literally just described the effects of lactose intolerance” which I am, and I drink hydrolyzed whey’s no problem
Which brand do you buy and where?
Which protein should I grab? Not sure… I want to gain weight and muscle so I’m leaning toward getting the extra calories in with the concentrate. Pls let me know if I should grab isolate or concentrate
Which one ?
Not only a white lab coat but check out that background in the intro now I'm sold. Seriously I love the no background
“That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence” my new favorite quote
I think it's from Christopher Hitchens.
Wait, I think you gave incorrect information. Right at 3:43 you talk about hydrolyzed whey containing no lactose and go right in to being hypoallergenic. Allergy and lactose are totally separate. Lactose is inability to digest the sugars. An allergy is a inflammatory reaction to a protein that is harmless to most people. Not sure if hydrolyzed whey is actually hypoallergenic to people allergic to whey or not. Either way, telling someone something is hypoallergenic because it doesn't have lactose is not correct. P. S. I'm just a rando on the internet but I'm pretty sure I'm not talking out of my butt.
The lab coat = LEGIT
Thanks for this conformation to my research. I have crohns and I want to be bigger and stronger but I didn't know the difference between them.
I looked up lactose free whey and got hydrolyzed whey. From there I felt like I had hope. Thanks to your Shor vid trashing this guy with data it reaffirmed my notion that I may can take this protein. Thanks
That lab coat looks more karate kid than science geek
Science Gik
Hmm, I'm a milk drinker my whole life. But since i regulars drink whey isolate i am indeed a bit more bloated. I have zero issues with milk. Not a big deal with the whey but still an observable difference.
For years whey concentrate was giving me breakups but since I switched to isolate no problem and it’s been 3 years
You mean breakouts??😂
The protein farts must've been real brutal if it caused your relationships to breakup
I know there are no studies that confirm that Whey cause acne, but in my anecdotal experience…every time I consumed whey at multiple different times and different whey products I’d breakout in pimples immediately within a day. Have any info or insight that can help? I’ve never had hydrolyzed whey.
Try hydrolized whey bro, i had the same issues with normal whey and gut issues too, but hydrolized whey digests much better and keeps the acne away
Which protein should I grab? Not sure… I want to gain weight and muscle so I’m leaning toward getting the extra calories in with the concentrate. Pls let me know
That specific brand he’s shown is my all time favorite. I mix it in coffee post workout and it’s the only way I consume it. Love it.
Why drink coffee post workout and not pre
@@nootnootpenguino8586 I take a pre workout and on off days I have it first thing. I use decaf after workouts and regular on other days.
@@bigjohnson011 coffee is better then preworkout. What benefit does preworkout give?
@@nootnootpenguino8586 coffee is better than Gorilla Mode? I’m getting the benefits of both.
Yep it’s not a bad brand indeed
Hey Layne this is something that maybe not many people on this channel care about . But you think you could look into sunscreens and if “chemical” sunscreens actually affect your hormones/endocrine system and other negative things that have been associated with them. I know your awesome at going through data so if you or someone on this channel can fill me in on clear cut data I am just very interested in keeping my skin looking best for as long as possible and the sun is know (for sure) to be the top thing that ages the skin. Thanks hope to hear from you or someone about this
did you ever figure this out or find a good source of info on this?
Use factor 50 and you basicallu shutdown any and all conversion of vitamin D.
That'll have an effect.
i wouldnt bother experimenting with isolates after not being able to tolerate ON's regular whey. just went straight to get a decent tasting plant based protein. much cheaper than buying hydrolyzed whey in the long run. not like the benefits/gains will be significantly different, and considering the price difference, it's not worth my money.
Wow….someone was fire 🔥 🔥 today! One of my favorite videos.
I found I'm pretty gassy even on isolate, so I just bought that same brand of hydrolyzed to see if it works better for me and I can stink less.
It's probably the artificial flavors and sweeteners. Have you tried unflavored whey isolate ?
Appreciate you sharing your knowledge doctor, how much protein can the body absorb for plant-based fermented protein powder?
Whey isolate gives me acne. Should I try hydrolyzed whey?
Thanks for answering my question as I’m looking at WPI and WPC and wondering what the difference was. 🎉🎉🎉🎉
would love to get your thoughts in a video on casein protein vs the others (isolate, concentrate) for the purpose of optimal muscle building, or when to consume.
I drink my shakes before bed so I decided to try casein. What they don’t tell you is that regardless what brand of casein powder you get it’s extremely thick, basically un-drinkable
casein is terrible digestion wise
This is well known. Casein can be useful in certain situations because it takes longer to digest. As mentioned above, before bed can be a good spot for it. But when it comes to building muscle, whey is king.
Sadly hydrolyzed doesn't work for us with straight up dairy allergies (not lactose-intolerance). So instead we're stuck with fairly terrible tasting/textured non-milk based powders.
Hemp and soy don’t taste terrible if you put it in plant milk. There’s also the less whole foods type like vega and blessed, whey itself isn’t tasty it’s all the other shit they put it in just like how milk by itself isn’t tasty. You could also just eat stuff like lentils and hemp seeds. I use to get 150 grams from that in roughly 2150 calories, 1400 of the lentils and 720 of the seeds. Mixing oatmeal with protein powder and milk is good or at least tolerable
I feel you bro
@@KurokamiNajimi protein on it's own isn't a terrible endeavor for dairy allergies. Just making my own chicken or steak fulfills most of it. Just having the occasional shake or protein bar to get the last bit is a pain
I feel your pain. I’m not only allergic to dairy, but I’m allergic to all legumes too. I found the legume allergy when I tried a pea protein. That was ugly time off my life. I’m taking collagen for protein now. I’m always on the look out for something new.
@@KeirfireAzal You don’t need as much protein as most ppl think though assuming you’re digesting it. Even for someone lean at 180 pounds for example about 130 cuts it. If you’re bigger you’re eating more food as a whole just like how an adult eats more than a kid
There’s something I’ve been curious about when you are in a calorie deficit when do you start to burn fat like when does it use that energy to burn fat like at what point are you burning fat wouldn’t that mean if you don’t eat anything wouldnt you be burning more during the time your fasted ?
when hes doing the choppping motion at the end along with the lab coat sometimes looking like a karate GI made me lol it looked liked he was not just pissed off.but he actually wanted to karate chop his arse lol
Different degrees to hydrolyzation though. Unfortunately most company's don't disclose the level of hydrolyzation to their products. The more hydrolyzed, the tougher the flavor.
Would be nice to know intolerance/sensitivity of raw whey and pasteurized whey given the conformational changes during pasteurization
okay imma give whey isolate a try LOL im not lactose intolerant but i just choose not to consume dairy because it really does break me out with acne (face and back). but ill give whey isolate protein powder a chance.
This guy PhD. is on fire ! Love this attitude !
Fnck 'em up bois ! with facts and logic !
Appreciate the application of Hitchen's Razor here.
Can i continue using whey protein isolate while i am on acne medications (retinoids) ???
Whey Isolate is the only thing that works for me. Stomach’s messed up because of antibiotics (similar to what Gordon Ryan has but not as severe, bjj tingz. The only time I’ve ever had a problem was if I consumed it on an empty stomach. Choosing the right protein supplement should be necessary study, especially for beginners. Awesome vid.
Isolate is also my go to protein
Stomach or bad gut fauna ?
I been having whey protein for over 20 years, and the only problems I ever had was maybe a few stomach upsets, but this was caused by trying different brands or flavours.
I also wonder if he knows that whey is a waste product of yogurt and cheese making, and was often given to orphans and homeless people (like miss muffet who was sitting on her tuffet).
I wish there more muscly orphan/homeless people around
I'm of the opinion that we only have whey protein because of the banning of raw milk from the market. You can get all of the same benefits from just drinking raw milk which was very available until the late 80's...which is coincidentally the same time that the supplement industry started to explode.
Which protein should I grab? Not sure… I want to gain weight and muscle so I’m leaning toward getting the extra calories in with the concentrate. Pls let me know if I should grab isolate or concentrate
@@marco7838 mre lite animal Base Protein doesn't give u diarrhea lol... banana nut bread and smores flavor is the best... the taste is very good
If it hurts your stomach that means the product is fermented
Will egg protein be more effective than whey at getting me yolked?
Oh...I see what you did there
No...
Sadly they use the whites for the protein XP
Ah good one!
Just eat whole eggs buddy
The term is yoked.... ya D-bag.
Does hydrolized whey then cause the same issues with acne just like normal isolate/concentrate?
get high quality one orgqnic and grass fed
hello dr norton, can i have hydrolyzed whey ? for me dairy gives me acne 100% will i be able to have hydryolyzed whey without it giving me acne ?
I currently have been using Ascent protein. I like vanilla. The only "bad" ingredients I see are natural flavors and sunflower lecithin. Any opinions would be appreciated. There are so many choices and im an amateur.
It's not only lactose or other stuff from milk :( Most of the time the problem is the sucralose. And other added stuff...
I feel confident you bought that just for this video
What if you have IBS-C? Will you still be okay with hydrolyzed?
Ive got lactose intolerance and i started consuming whey protein yrs ago before i knew i was lactose intolerant.. were talking the around the yr 2000 onwards and they messed me up! some a lot more than others, but it was nailed into us that we need protein so i'd carry on consuming them like a dummy. But dam i remember it causing the worst issues for me, my guts would just drop and i'd be stinking all the time to, like hot farts all the time! nasty man lol. I also ended up with bad candida to, not sure if there was a link there..but before the body building lifestyle i never had any issues like candida before and candida wrecked me.
Something about Whey doesn't like me, when ever I have it for prolonged periods of time I get these strange tiny bump rashes, on my arms and elbows, getting worse and worse the longer I am on it, shouldn't be any sort of lactose issue, I would think because I drink half a liter of milk every day and have around 400 grams of yogurt, so alot of dairy.
I guess it could be something else, as I am no expert, so I did go back to whey every now and then to see if the same thing happens, and I seem fine with the odd protein bar, just can't have one everyday.
I can't seem to tolerate any form of whey at all. From plain new Zealand Isolate, to hydrolyze whey. Even 5 grams of whey messes me me up for up to 3 days. I can eat all the Greek yogurt, Skyr and cottage cheese I want and feel fine without any discomfort at all. I even eat ben n Jerrys ice cream before bed every night and doesn't bother me. But As soon as I have whey , my stomach blows up like an top 10 Olympian competitor and gives me severe gas for days even with digestive enzymes. Whey allergy is definitely real. It has nothing to do with lactose intolerance in some as whey contains no lactose at all in pure form. Some people just can't tolerate whey.
Same and my skin turns to burny rashes and bad acne.
Same, doesn’t bloat me per se but causes other digestive…..”issues”. I drink tones of milk, eat yogurt etc - totally fine. Something in whey protein, additives, sweetener or I don’t know what, just does not agree with me, and it gets me every time.
"We don't fuck with feelings." 😂😂
So glad I found your channel.
I'm sensitive to dairy not exactly intolerant. I tried the exact same protein shake he is showing twice and both times it made me throw up. Could that be because it is hydrolyzed? I can didnt have this reaction to say Premier protein brand which contains (Premier Protein Shake Protein Blend (Milk Protein Concentrate, Calcium Caseinate, Whey Protein Concentrate)). Looking for Lactose free options =/
Loving these 😂
I have zero issues with side effects. .... With any type of supplement. But i prefer a fully synthesized whey protein. Very pure, no carbs or sugars
This vid earned you a sub
The t-shirt detracts from the lab coat. It's better paired with some sort of collared shirt, like a polo. My styling suggestion is provided at no cost to you, like your excellent videos are provided to me!
Does hydrolyzed proteins increase uric adic level in the serum ?
Thanks, that’s awesome
Anyone here know of any good studies on COMBINED PEA and RICE protein powder? Iv been using it for the last few years, but I cant find info on the leucine content and what not..
cheers
Thank you!
The only problems I ever noticed is when I ingest too much protein to be properly digested. Results in very bad smelling farts.
Oh man we need this Intro for your new videos Layne. fking kills me bwahaha
Lol I made a fitness post about why whey protein was bad about a year ago 😂 god bless Layne. Spread the truth!
Whey isolate is fine for me, whey concentrate gives me crazy gas.
Ive tried whey isolate and my body just cant handle it. I'll have to try hydro
Can you help me, please? I started taking whey protein, and I gained six pounds in two weeks despite being in a calorie deficit. I started a weight loss journey two years ago. I lost about 55 pounds by operating in a constant calorie deficit. I plateaued and had no idea what to do. I started to gain weight again, but very slowly. I would gain it and then lose it. Gain it and then lose it. Then I had a slow gain again. I wanted to try something different to shock my body (besides increased exercise). So, I tried taking whey protein and dropping a meal (breakfast). I did have noticeable digestive issues after beginning whey. It was a whey concentrate. I did not believe that I was lactose intolerant. I have never had a noticeable problem with dairy before. Today marks one week since I stopped taking whey protein (concentrate), and I dropped two pounds. Hopefully, the trend continues because the sudden six-pound weight gain freaked me out, especially when I knew that I hadn't consumed nearly enough calories to gain six pounds in two weeks. I count my calories and keep track in my fitness app. I have been doing so since 2018, so it's a habit now. I only drink water too. So, if you don't mind, I would appreciate your advice or insight as to what might have happened.
Could be the artificial sweetener in it. That’s what destroys my stomach
What about the risks associated with dairy consumption and increased rate of prostate cancer? Does that only apply to other constituents of dairy, rather than whey itself?
4:30 what did the control group get in that study? Did it prove that people build strength, lean body mass extra vs people getting the same amount of protein from meat? Or did just not give a group protein and compare them with the whey protein group.
so in this VS battle who won? I need to lose weight but gain a little muscle mass. My wife needs to gain weight without muscle mass any advice anyone?
Sorry Dr. Layne, but this time you got it wrong. You wouldn't know this, of course, because leaky gut caused by whey protein powder is not from any of the ingredients listed. It is caused by the "naturally occurring MSG" in most processed proteins (glutamate amino acids that are "shed" from their parent protein during processing, which, to rectify the open molecular bond assume their mono-salt molecular structure...Monosodium glutamate). MSG created as a "natural byproduct" of protein processing IS NOT listed in the ingredients (because it wasn't added). Soy sauce is super concentrated liquid MSG (marinade tough meat in soy sauce overnight, and it becomes tender...that is MSG breaking down muscle tissue). How do I know all this? Because MSG causes havoc to the central nervous system and brain. To those intolerant, like myself, whey protein powder exacerbated my epilepsy and gave me seizures (there is that much MSG in whey protein powder). I actually treated my condition by going on the G.A.R.D. (Glutamate, Aspartate Restricted Diet/Gut Absorption Recovery Diet) developed by Dr. John B. Symes (a veterinarian who has effectively treated / reversed / eliminated the symptoms of all manner of neurophysiological and neuropsychological disorders (including fibromyalgia, ADD/ADHD, epilepsy, autism, schizophrenia, and more) in tens of thousands of animals and thousands of people. There are no "randomized human trials" for the effectiveness of the G.A.R.D., only thousands of POSITIVE OUTCOMES for those who had no choice but to turn to a VET because allopathic medicine FAILED THEM UTTERLY (myself included), because there is NO MONEY to be made with a strict elimination diet like the GARD. Don't take my word for it, here is Dr. Symes's website: dogtorj.com/
I just use Bulk Nutrients protein matrix which is lactose free, great product and I am very intolerant of lactose,.
I use whey protein isolate.
Thinking of goat whey just to see if it’s any better.
The only way I can consume whey isolate is in a smoothie. If I just mix it in a shaker and drink it, then that's when the stomach issues happen for me
“You played yourself” 🤣🤣🤣 Iconic!😂
What is your most recommended whey protein brand ? As here in our country we only have a few options ....nitro tech, gold standard, dynamatyze, and a few more
How's your back doing? I have a disc buldge L5-S1? Can you share what helped you the most?
I had also problem with my back but drinking plenty of water, proper daily stretching. Not immobilising it seemed to help
@@projecthowto How much water per day you'd say? I've had this chronic pain for 10 months now and it's been very challenging. Thanks for all the feedback!
Your not ready for Hollywood, but nice, great informations, thank you !
Layne Norton: *Dons his lab coat*
**“Dr Eric Berg would like to know your location”**
Layne would give it and berg would do nothing
@@kamo7293 that’s a lie, Berg would give us even more great what the fitness content for us to laugh at
How about Diving shake straight from the source? tay or nay, what say you?
Can you get acne from isolate protein ?
I just realized that fter 3 months gym and change one of my meal everyday to only drink protein i got a bit leaner and not it helps my diet because it makes me feel less hungry
Learned something. Thank you. 🌻
Why do the ingredients on the ISO 100 whey say contains milk and soy though?
iM lactose intolerant and i break out in hives if i have regular whey, i use isolate
Hydrolyzed "pre-digested". Where do I sign up? I'll predigest some whey just to be able to get my fix for free!
Can someone comment on whether Dr. Ben Bikemans whey protein will spike blood glucose because, like all protein powders, it's so processed?
I use it everyday, but it definitely makes me a little bit gassy. It’s a good thing I work outside 😂
In my experience I have noticed that the artificial sweeteners cause my clients and myself to retain a small amount of fluid, only noticeable when prepping to get on stage. All artificial sweeteners nothing to do directly with the whey.
Also I can no longer use any protein supplements, I have MCS multiple chemical sensitivity, I think it's is the hydrolyzation creating free form glutamate, because it does me like MSG does. I swell, get dizzy and feel horrible af
I watch a video say that whey protein is not complex protein. So it do not need more calories to metabolize as natural source protein(like chicken breast). Also i watch them said that whey protein is spike insulin so when insulin drop it make more easy to hungry. Is that all true?
Hello anytime you eat you get an insulin response.. food needs it to get to certain parts of the body
I love Friday because of what the fitness.
Nice use of Hitchens' Razor there
hey thanks for summing it up quickly. after poking around to see what people were saying about Isolate whey, I bought a 5 lb bucket of it. There's only three ingredients in it. They list it EXACTLY as: "Whey protein Isolate, (whey protein, soy, lecitin)" and the weight ratios are 33 gram serving to 30 grams protein. So, not much other stuff in it. NOW after buying it I find out that Whey Isolate will spike your insulin like mad. my question is this: how can I lose weight when I'm spiking my insulin because I hear that you can only burn fat from your body when the insulin is low.
Got any comments on this conundrum ?
well, protein is not consumed for weight loss. If you want a pure weight loss protocol, then try keto and eat moderate protein and higher fats. Macro breakdown of 70% fat, 5% carbs, 25% protein. If you want to build muscle, eat 1 gram of protein per 1 pound of body weight and fill in the macros with carbs or fat as energy. Now about insulin spikes, first they are temporary and you will go back to a low insulin state after. Second, insulin is the strongest growth hormone in your body, and it is vital in muscle protein synthesis so taking whey protein right after a workout and having a spike in insulin is key to muscle growth. So, plan your program for your goals. Protein is not consumed for weight loss. Protein is consumed for preserving muscle or muscle growth.
Therapist: No Labcoat Layne can't hurt you he isn't real.
Labcoat Layne: *comes to existence*
Huh 🤔
If there was ever a video where someone didn't prepare and research first this was it. He could of at least picked the right form of protein.
Concentrate vs Isolate vs Hydrolyzed? Easy that one, eat your protein instead of drinking it. I've never made better progress since switching from protein drinks to just food.
So because you made progress, everyone else in the world should do the same thing?
i'm lactose intolerant and i use plant based protein because the highly processed whey's are too expansive.
Your sentence took a turn there! 😂
Plant based burgers go through a lot to be produced
I drank a hydrolized whey and I had the worst stomach pain, and diarrhea. I guess I have a severe lactose sensitivity.
Whey is one of the most bioavalible forms of protein. I am lactose intolerant and use it every day. Just have a lactaid and you will be fine
As of right now, I have nothing against whey. But I don't like his approach.
"On this channel, we don't fuck with feelings." That's an ignorant statement. He's very passionate about his love for whey. That's a feeling. Why would one get into whey, and fitness and all that? To * feel* better, to feel good. So... It's lame when people say unconscious things like this
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