How to cope with a tank on a slippery slope | Arsenalen Swedish Tankmuseum
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- Опубліковано 9 лют 2021
- In this film we show how to get on slippery roads with a tank.
There are different types of studs for tanks to use when it is slippery.
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If anyone knows about driving in the snow, it should be the swedes!
That soldier at 11:20 was unbelievably lucky not to lose a leg. Also, loving the diorama at the end. Another great video 👌
Also Canada
thought you knew that.. its more countries has snow and ice during winter.. Canada, Germany, Finland, Norway, Sweden etc..
@@jjt1093 The Norwegians are no slouches either when it comes to traversing frozen wilderness by all and any means possible. Mostly it seems up hill!
Haha imagine you're an old Swedish tankie watching UA-cam, and your former TC is telling your 100% true, no-lies story about almost getting crushed by a tank. Stefan you might owe someone a beer for that. ;-)
HAHAHA :D
I would love having a tank-chat with Stefan in a pub and a couple of beers
Hammering out the studs on the track in winter time... The best way to learn Swedish cuss words!!!
I am happy to see that your old clothes grew larger again!
i thought it was just me 😂
This was very interesting, thanks.
It is easy to forget about the danger and difficulty of operating these vehicles.
Thank you. Usually in documentaries or literature we learn about upgrades and how tank design evolves between prodution models. It's interesting to learn about practical solutions that fall outside of this, and to have examples from personal experience.
We can be sure of a thing:
There is a Swedish soldier out there who will probably never ever put his feet near a tank track again because of the fear he got years earlier
One of the most authentic and interesting expert videos, on an important, though unusual subject.
I wish you could make these videos more often. UN missions, UN common multi-national trainings the list can go on and on. Swedish modern APCs, IFVs, MBTs. Swedish VS Finnish VS Norwegian VS Danish tank purchasing choices and tactics, then approach to armored warefare overall..
Thank you Mr Stafan, your video is superb - as always 🙂👌
Greatings from snow covered, frozen Poland!
Very interesting details you usually don't get to know if you are not a tanker yourself. Thank you!
This is even better then a lecture about track tension! (Although I'm very much looking forward to those too, when travel is possible again.) Thank you very much and best wishes to you all in Sweden.
Careful otherwise there is a good chance of a wild chieftain appearing and teaching you a day about the tension.
@@Knallteute Ha ha! Only a day? The man must be getting old.
Also, I actually had a playlist of Chieftain's Hatches on for a big part of yesterday so in a sense he already did. :-)
Have a great weekend mate!
Tanks in winter: In Hohenfels, in an ice-cold February, I was monitoring from my position a narrow valley, a small path running lengthways. At one point you could just make out under the deep snow the remains of walls of a former farm.
After many hours the first of the then new M1s of a tank company of an ACR arrived. The vehicles had no snow grippers, so they had great difficulty moving in the snow-covered hills. The third M1 drove slowly to the left, off the path into position where the remains of the walls were. The tank stopped and suddenly, a white cloud rose there and after it had cleared, the front half of the tank had disappeared, only the turret and rear end stayed visible. The driver jumped out of his hatch and climbed onto the tower, waving frantically his arms.
Not recognizable under the snow, there was a cellar of the former farm. The ceiling of the cellar had collapsed under the tank and the cellar was filled with ice-cold water ...
Apparently a so common thing to happen that tanks avoid driving into houses if all possible^^
Played with that 62 tonne bobsleigh!! Trying to change down through the gears, so I could accelerate the outer track through the corner. A quite intense 600m of driving. When things levelled out, my commander handed me a lit cigarette and all he said was " that was fun!"
Thank you for that great video about a topic seldom illuminated! :)
Near the end I thought "don't you show the Schneegreifer, they ought to be in use with your Leos" and voila you showed them with perfect pronounciation :)
Great subject for a tank video. Also nice displays at the museum. The overturned truck is a nice touch (surprising too!)
this remind me reading about the deployment of French tank units in 1939, specifically about train loading where some units had issues with the tanks sliding off the wagon and falling over the side
I love these so much.
So many little details I wouldn’t think to ask but are interesting to learn and the presentation is fun.
You should do a video on the individual equipment of the Tanker's. Like their uniforms and equipment, weapons and field equipment ect. Just an idea.
There is one and it is hilarious.
Whether intentionally or not the flipped truck scene is a great way to show the underside of the truck!
Ex Canadian army here, winter is always a challenge. Winter training was quite hard sometimes.
I was LEME so tank recovery was one of our task. Great fun in -25 C weather.
Dad was a loader in a Strv 81 (centurion) in the 1950s, he said this was a common problem in the winter. The slightest bit of ice and an incline would cause the tank to slide sideways out of control. The driver couldn't do anything to overcome this, as the momentum of a Centurion in motion is kinda huge. So it was a terrifying experience both inside and outside the tank. The infantry units quickly learned to stay well away from the tanks in the winter.
It's clear that the tracks weren't designed with ice in mind. The uninterrupted metal ridge may provide good grip for forward motion, but effectively becomes an ice skate for sideways movement. I've often wondered how much worse the bulbous French track links (for example the ARL-44) would work in this scenario.
Thank you Stefan, that was a very informative and interesting talk!
In WWII Grandpa had M4 high speed tractors. They had ‘grousers’ they attached to their tracks for snow and ice. I believe they are similar to the last item you showed. They other disadvantage to using them on roads was increased track wear. Great video thank you. Your perspective is always enjoyed.
The grousers or duckbills as they were nicknamed were attached to the sides of the tracks so i am unsure if they actually would have worn out the tracks that much tho.🤔
@@emilbt7588
Not sure. I do remember when the roads cleared, the first item of business was to remove them for wear concerns.
@@logoseven3365 hmm. It could maybe be because they had a tendency to fall off if they weren't hammered in correctly. Idk
Very informative and very Unique. Thanks for posting.
Very interesting story, never thought of that before. Thank you. By the way: The part of the former Berlin-wall is interesting too.
This is so interesting, love the stories, thank you!!!
Great video & content as always along with the potentially disastrous story of your fellow comrade's leg!
Fabulous video! Thank you so much!
I'm glad it doesn't snow like that where I live.
I once saw, around 1984, in Germany, an M60A3 tank sliding sideways down a trail with the tracks spinning. Very very weird. Shortly after that we all got cut off center guides and we changed every 10th or so but put the cutoff one upside down so the cut off part was sticking into the ground. Worked. There was some concern that we would break pins but we didn’t and I didn’t hear of anybody else either. Thank you for showing me other options.
Drifting with the pbv302 was fun!
Very informative video on a interesting subject as always - Thank You! :)
Interesting video thanks and, if I may say so narrated with an excellent command of the English language.
Hi thank you for this Great info. God Bless.
Most interesting video. In Florida we don't see much snow and ice ;-)), and I kind of thought a tracked vehicle could cope with such. Now, I know better. Keep up the good work.
It's more about the hard surfaces than the snow, a centurion is almost as slip prone on smooth concrete as on iced roads.
At least from my experience of riding along in a Bgbv.84 that had been serviced at the motorpool at the local armored regiment. Thanks to connections, I'd been able to get a week of practical work place studies there back in 1998 when I was in 8th grade.
Centurion, the Doc Martin boot of tanks!
Engelska skridskor (English ice-skates), as we called them.
Yet another great video, good work lads
Best thing about snow?
Chieftain don't have to keep up with the track tension! 😆
"Driver, advance up that crest" -leo2 begins to slide downhill
Such great content. Hope I can visit there one day.
It is a great museum, totally worth visiting. Just one hour drive from Stockholm.
I used to think that tanks can't slip on anything but solid wet ground, like wet concrete for example. Considering that pressure melts ice too, I thought a tank would - from its weight alone - melt the ice under it and therefore not slip. But never would I have thought that conditions could get so frictionless that a single person can push a tank. (Is there video footage if this?) So I have learnt something new again. Thank you!
It's the same principle as ice skates, the preassure feom the raised parts of the tracks instantly melts the ice surface directly underneath but the ice outside prevents the meltwater from escaping and since it's a preassure change and not a temperature change that cause the melting, the water instantly re-freezes as soon as the track preassure moves on.
Yes, it did happen (winter 1983) that a tank standing in position started to move backwards hill down, tracks not moving, and only stopped about 80 m further on at the foot of the slope. One should be aware that the tank cannot be steered in this situation.
We had freezing rain in Germany in 83 great fun with 432's spining on the square in Herford.
That soldier who’s leg went under the track must have felt the luckiest man alive when he got dragged out!
My brother told me that one guy got his foot run over by a Pbv 302. He was alright though, as his foot got pushed down into the ground. He was stuck but got dug out by 2 other guys.
@@secularnevrosis Har också hört den historien, så den torde vara sann.
@@fredrikakesson747 Detta skulle nog ha varit 97-98. Jag kommer inte ihåg om det hände när han var ute på övning eller om det var en tidigare årskull. Han skulle få träning på CV90, men så skulle dom köra livet ur de gamla pebborna för de skulle ut ur inventariet.
As a Leopard 1 PRTL/Gepard driver in 1981 during an extraordinary cold Dutch winter at - 20oC I was tasked to put my PRTL on a low loader.
Whilst climbing up the ramp the left track started slipping so I immediately let the tank slip off the ramp.
The seargent looked very puzzeled so I signaled him the problem. I think he then put diesel onto the metal ramp. It then went like a jem.
I've never driven with these grousers. I don't know if we even had them. Which would have been foolish.
Anyway during the excersize on the Leusderhei whilst in line with our platoon of three PRTL's following the much slower in the terrain YPR 765 command APC I slowed down in order to catch up at max power.
The others behind me followed my lead. The conscript commanders also liked the thrill of charging the Leopard 1 to full speed.
After having played that game two or tbree times whilst slowing down near the YPR I saw it skid a bit on the road that was hidden under the snow. So I very gingerly made the turn.
My mate in the PRTL behind me was just charging forward and hadden't noticed the skidding of the YPR.
I did'nt see it but heard the guys in the tower of my AA tank screaming when the other PRTL made a full turn whilst crashing into the undergroth beside the road.
Luckely nothing happend other than the bushes getting a haircut. 15:32
Driving on icy roads is no fun with any vehicle - I’ve seen films of tanks sliding on the road - wouldn’t want to be around that.
Intreating video as always -
Always interesting!
I love this guy. So quircky.
I liked the term borrowing. I was stationed in North Germany and borrowing was done on a permanent basis with some of the crews being cheeky about things. If it wasn't glued down..it vanished. Especially tools.
Love these Videos!
Aloha; very well done and very illuminating. Mahalo
An older family friend had his war stories from when he was in WWII, and one was when their tank lost traction on a frozen road while crossing it and they slide down the hill and into a house. The way he told it they went into the house, not up close, not against the corner, they slide into the inside of the house
My grandmothers brother was overrun by a tank on the russian front in the second world war. He served in the german army and got in the way of a german tank somewhere close to Smolensk. He got handicapped for the rest of his life with an arm he could not use but recovered otherwise pretty good. I do not know under which conditions it happened but the roumor says that the Russian winter can be quite cold and icy.
The Swedes have pretty good ideas. I saw a M-60 that had slid off a Icey hill and turned over. The track commander could not pull himself in fast enough. Not a pretty sight.
- Where did you park the Strv 101 [Centurion], Sven?
- On that patch of snow, sgt.
- Okay... Björn, don't lean on the tank! It will-...
**tank goes into lake**
In Winter War soviet tanks was in trouble with snow and when they came in Molotow Cocktail range, it was smalles of their troubles.
Probably someone mentioned already, but those which are installed on Leopards and other tanks on the tracks for traction are called grousers in English.
I done 360 down hill and trying to go uphill in both M60's and M113's . All you can do is seat and wait on them to stop . This was in germany and we always never winterized our tracks ( As being Americans if we done any damage we had to pay for it) .
this is very intresting, I guess i assumed tanks usually had metal treds but i guess needing to drive on roads makes that impossible, and man those hard rubber pads would be about the worst thing imaginable on ice. if it werent for the requirement of often driving on roads, you could have permenent super agressive traction pads on the treds it seems.
The tracks don't need to get warm to melt ice. Pressure reduces the melting point of ice.
Russians don't use trackpad but when mud pack in their tracks and hardens it's basically the same loss of traction we in the West use track attachments that you would put on the track and replace a couple of the pads to gain grip think there called track grozzer during winter time there were special kinds of tracks they would replace the padded ones with tracks that had better grip
That was one incredibly lucky lad.
The films with the track anchor looks could maybe be from the old Armour Museum in Axvall.
Schneegreifer kills Fahrvergnügen ;-)
That is some proper Swedish advice. 1.Think. 2.Don't be to enthusiastic.
We would go all over the place in BV-206s, until it got icy and there was a slope. Then everyone had to get out and work on the road or get a tug from a Snow Cat.
Excellent video. People forget that tanks were made to do one thing, KILL! They are not fussy who they kill or which side that person it fighting for. They can easily kill friend and foe alike be they inside or outside of the vehicle.
I want to push a tank with one hand across the ice.
And rubber tracks in winter? Do they need precautionary measures.
nice video all methods in peaceful its easy And logic but in war times all of methods are not suitable because they are too slow thanks for sending
what do you do with rubber tracks?
Nifty
My sympathies. I drive Canadian 'Super B' rigs. We drive out into the bush to deliver frac sand to the gas fracs , Y'know, to destroy the planet yadda yadda,..... 30 wheels,63.5 metric tons, 500/600 horses depending ,....
swopsies for one of your tanks ? :-)
Gillar när man försöker tvinga upp en BKAN på transporten! Antagligen för ett haveri i kylaren?!
Har dere en norsk leopard a1 i museet?🇳🇴
Uppfattat, tänk efter före.
That anchor reminds me of an un-ditching beam. Is the log method ever used?
works on lighter vehicles, over 40 tons the log easily breaks or break of from the tracks. there is a reason why russian tanks still carry logs with them.
@@cmanderstedt Thanks for the informative reply, Carl. Seems logical in hindsight that if you've got enough torque to move a vehicle that size, you'd also have enough to pull free of the log instead of wedging it under the tracks.
Those Russians know how to deal with mud and swamps, that's for sure.
Snälla Arsenalen, skriv ett manus till Stefan så han får sammanhängande meningar. Improvisation i all ära men det är jobbigt att lyssna på när han stannar och letar efter rätt. Det kommer dessutom göra det lättare att skapa undertexter till videon.
Jag tycker det bara är charmigt. Ger det en mer genuin känsla.
Är ju det bästa med Stefan, Charmigt värre
Lite "offtopic" men, gällande schaktbladet på stridsvagn 103C. Ser det ut att vara pluggar i överkanten (bakkant) ? Är det till för att schaktbladen skulle fyllas med lämplig vätska eller är det något annat än pluggar? Vänligen.
Förstår inte frågan - det visas inget schaktblad på Strv 103 i filmen
@@stefankarlsson9762 Nej precis, jag kastade in frågan generellt bara. Om det är ok och om vetskapen kring frågan finns? Jättebra filmer, och gillar alla små detaljer ni får med.
@@richardforslund7560 Ok, om du menar de två pluggarna som man ser uppe på bladet när det är i transportläge så är det skyddspluggar över smörjnipplarna som smörjer bultarna som håller fast bladet.
Did you ever just strap on logs like the russkies?
No
works on lighter vehicles, over 40 tons the log easily breaks or break of from the tracks. there is a reason why russian tanks still carry logs with them. then again most logs will be totaly crushed after one length of tracklink tension.
War Thunder take notes
I don't get it. What's wrong with you Swedish tank people? Here in Canada, when we get stuck in our Toyota, we simply get a few neighbours to push the car out of the snow. Lol.
In this country we ride Tanks, not Toyota ;-)
@@stefankarlsson9762 :-)
All your methods are slow and tedious. I would simply get and use a Crocodile or other flame-throwing tank and give the selected route a splash of napalm before proceeding. It might upset residents of any towns you pass through, but since you're in a tank there's not much they can do.