This whole situation with the pin is the reason why you bring your car to an expert. If this was shade tree mechanic you'd be out of a brand new motor and would be back to square one. Great job diagnosing and getting all back together.
No one will ever put a wrench on my car but Me or John and George @ LHT Performance. Im retired from the automotive world now but I spent 25 years as Master Tech and building and tuning Performance cars and I know very first hand what goes on when shop doors are closed and none of that happens at LHT Performance
I had a similar Issue with the Pin inside a Camshaft Wheel! Never ever seen something like this and no one knew about this. Caused bad Timing and noise in the engine. The Pin was broken and the gear had to much play.
2 years of beating up the internet and trying to decide, 125K mile used motor for $4-5K and then the cost to rebuild or freshen up, $7200 to Inline Pro for a 2.4 build and still need a Cylinder head with a Core block that you have no idea how it became a core block, One day i just got lucky and stumbled across a Ebay listing of this New in the box short block and Fully ported Head with 1MM larger intake and exhaust valves and full Cower valve train. Original asking was $9500.00 for everything need to build a New long block from Steve DiMartino In Lexington Kentucky. Talked to him for a bit and got the story on it. Steve had a Bonneville salt flat Tub car they built and the motor I got was his collection of parts to build a Second motor in case there 1st motor broke while at the Salt Flats setting records. Steve Passed shortly after I bought the motor from him so he didn't get to see it or here about it in the car. But for the very short time i got to talk with and know Steve he was the kind of guy you wish you met 40 Years ago. here is an article about Steve and his land speed car from years ago. www.motortrend.com/features/htup-0710-salt-level/
you have to be careful with these engines that have been sitting for years and years. if you look around on s2ki, you can see there have been "new" short blocks that were assembled from the factory that sat around for a long time (MANY YEARS) and when people went to install them they soon after developed bearing failure due to bearings that were corroded due to sitting for so long. there have been people who have taken new short block apart and put fresh brand new bearings in the crank and rods to be safe.
I see the editor is blocking the plates of these cars. I saw matts offroad recovery use magnetic covers to stick on the customers cars license plates to save the editors work. Had their logo on it and everything. just a thought, love the vids, one day I hope to send my s2000 to you!
I worked as a Honda technician for many years and never saw any press fit pins come out like that! I can tell you however, that I'm aware how long Hondabond is supposed to sit and cure on an oil pan. As a flat rate technician though, you can't wait around for that long. I resealed a bunch of oil pans, never gave it time to cure and never had one come back leaking again from an improper seal.
Confused about statement use heavier flywheel for sc. The blower and pulleys already add a bunch of rotating mass. Their own flywheel effect. I would think you'd want to counteract that w lighter flywheel, just to get back to mass equivalent to stock flywheel. Apparently the issue is a rebound effect when let off throttle? Like it initially dips too low? Wondering what causes that, and why sc does this, but turbo does not?
@@russelloppenheimer3970 The blower and pulleys do add additional mass but little kinetic energy. Example, let off the gas and the RPMs drop very quickly with a lightweight flywheel. This is exaggerated with a blower and pulley, etc. a heavier flywheel helps smooth out and store some of that energy to make the car a little smoother to drive.Hence, why a lot of OEM cars have heavier and heavier flywheels as the years have gone on.
After driving the car with the AP1 lightened fly wheel on the old motor and the AP2 flywheel on the new motor the street drive ability and clutch/throttle manipulation taking off from stop lights. And the stability of the idle when the Fans or A/C compressor comes on is a lot more stable and not surge like it was before. If it was a track car I’d keep light flywheel but for a street car I’ll take the heavy flywheel everyday and twice on Sunday.
@@9TAK0 wish you the best of luck in finding one brother. They are getting hard to come by and very pricey. You're almost better off swapping a K series or a new Type R setup in there. 🫠
@@SilentCivilian yea unfortunately, i was thinking of stroking my old block but i truly dont want problems so i would rather put a stock block back in there with a built head and i feel like the f20 is better then the k series and i would also love to keep the stock engine
$9,000 for everything. THE OEM short block came complete. Oil pan timing cover timing components oil pump balancer and even the oil cooler assembly under the filter. New Cylinder head and valve train. The only thing that wasn't brand new were the CAMS.
@@Skubasteph yes. It is my Car. And the power level it’s built to is fine on all stock forged internals of stock engine. Not trying to make 800 HP or beat the death out of it on a race track. It’s a sunny day driver which is only 6 months of the year in Maryland. I’ll be building a Stoker motor out of the broke motor that came out of it. For the future
SERIOUSLY. Joe Alaniz had the best ports. That’s a unicorn cylinder head right there… there couldn’t have been 100 of those heads before Alaniz went crazy and closed up shop. Also… kind of strange to use a brand new short block on a boosted car!!!! But to each their own.
@@andrewyoung3293 That head was one of the last heads he did, I heard the story about how he went crazy and the shit that went down, Steve new him fairly well and told me about it. All forged internals and staying under 500HP no need for a sleeved block. just opens the door for other problems
I never really got into much ported heads. We used DPR and port flow back in the day , also a couple by Endyn. The OEM parts are fine 95% of what I require .
Damn, what a gem the customer has found! That's so rare these days to see that, it definitely cost a pretty penny. Legendary engine.
This whole situation with the pin is the reason why you bring your car to an expert. If this was shade tree mechanic you'd be out of a brand new motor and would be back to square one. Great job diagnosing and getting all back together.
No one will ever put a wrench on my car but Me or John and George @ LHT Performance. Im retired from the automotive world now but I spent 25 years as Master Tech and building and tuning Performance cars and I know very first hand what goes on when shop doors are closed and none of that happens at LHT Performance
Great to see it especially in the shady world of hondas.
John, I have a factory New Old Stock Audi 5 cylinder short block sitting in my shed, circa 1988. We pack rats have weird stuff☺
Wow, don't wanna know how difficult it was to find this pin and figure out were it belongs to.
Great job. Always amazing to see how you do stuff. ❤
I had a similar Issue with the Pin inside a Camshaft Wheel! Never ever seen something like this and no one knew about this. Caused bad Timing and noise in the engine. The Pin was broken and the gear had to much play.
11lb flywheel is the sweet spot imo
Would love to hear the story on how he found that engine. How many could possibly be left like that ?? Awesome job guys 🍻
2 years of beating up the internet and trying to decide, 125K mile used motor for $4-5K and then the cost to rebuild or freshen up, $7200 to Inline Pro for a 2.4 build and still need a Cylinder head with a Core block that you have no idea how it became a core block, One day i just got lucky and stumbled across a Ebay listing of this New in the box short block and Fully ported Head with 1MM larger intake and exhaust valves and full Cower valve train. Original asking was $9500.00 for everything need to build a New long block from Steve DiMartino In Lexington Kentucky. Talked to him for a bit and got the story on it. Steve had a Bonneville salt flat Tub car they built and the motor I got was his collection of parts to build a Second motor in case there 1st motor broke while at the Salt Flats setting records. Steve Passed shortly after I bought the motor from him so he didn't get to see it or here about it in the car. But for the very short time i got to talk with and know Steve he was the kind of guy you wish you met 40 Years ago. here is an article about Steve and his land speed car from years ago. www.motortrend.com/features/htup-0710-salt-level/
you have to be careful with these engines that have been sitting for years and years. if you look around on s2ki, you can see there have been "new" short blocks that were assembled from the factory that sat around for a long time (MANY YEARS) and when people went to install them they soon after developed bearing failure due to bearings that were corroded due to sitting for so long. there have been people who have taken new short block apart and put fresh brand new bearings in the crank and rods to be safe.
I see the editor is blocking the plates of these cars. I saw matts offroad recovery use magnetic covers to stick on the customers cars license plates to save the editors work. Had their logo on it and everything. just a thought, love the vids, one day I hope to send my s2000 to you!
I worked as a Honda technician for many years and never saw any press fit pins come out like that!
I can tell you however, that I'm aware how long Hondabond is supposed to sit and cure on an oil pan. As a flat rate technician though, you can't wait around for that long. I resealed a bunch of oil pans, never gave it time to cure and never had one come back leaking again from an improper seal.
It's like finding a new old stock Grand Seiko or something
Great video and diagnosis!
That is Rad!
Hello from Sydney Australia.
i have a brand new f22c in box kinda funny i also plan on putting aa alaniz head on it too lol
Will you be NA or boosted.
Confused about statement use heavier flywheel for sc. The blower and pulleys already add a bunch of rotating mass. Their own flywheel effect. I would think you'd want to counteract that w lighter flywheel, just to get back to mass equivalent to stock flywheel.
Apparently the issue is a rebound effect when let off throttle? Like it initially dips too low? Wondering what causes that, and why sc does this, but turbo does not?
@@russelloppenheimer3970 The blower and pulleys do add additional mass but little kinetic energy. Example, let off the gas and the RPMs drop very quickly with a lightweight flywheel. This is exaggerated with a blower and pulley, etc. a heavier flywheel helps smooth out and store some of that energy to make the car a little smoother to drive.Hence, why a lot of OEM cars have heavier and heavier flywheels as the years have gone on.
After driving the car with the AP1 lightened fly wheel on the old motor and the AP2 flywheel on the new motor the street drive ability and clutch/throttle manipulation taking off from stop lights. And the stability of the idle when the Fans or A/C compressor comes on is a lot more stable and not surge like it was before. If it was a track car I’d keep light flywheel but for a street car I’ll take the heavy flywheel everyday and twice on Sunday.
I’ve got 2 of those in storage !
Short blocks?
@@9TAK0 seems more like 2 blocks of sarcasm.
@@SilentCivilian 😭 i neeeeeeeeeeeed it
@@9TAK0 wish you the best of luck in finding one brother. They are getting hard to come by and very pricey. You're almost better off swapping a K series or a new Type R setup in there. 🫠
@@SilentCivilian yea unfortunately, i was thinking of stroking my old block but i truly dont want problems so i would rather put a stock block back in there with a built head and i feel like the f20 is better then the k series and i would also love to keep the stock engine
wow. That could have been a disaster!
Where the heck did he get that short block???
i wonder how much he spent on that NOS engine? hope it was as much as building a forged motor.
$9,000 for everything. THE OEM short block came complete. Oil pan timing cover timing components oil pump balancer and even the oil cooler assembly under the filter. New Cylinder head and valve train. The only thing that wasn't brand new were the CAMS.
@ is it your car? Why didn’t you just build a motor for it instead of going with the stock motor?
@@Skubasteph yes. It is my Car. And the power level it’s built to is fine on all stock forged internals of stock engine. Not trying to make 800 HP or beat the death out of it on a race track. It’s a sunny day driver which is only 6 months of the year in Maryland. I’ll be building a Stoker motor out of the broke motor that came out of it. For the future
Can you still order a new short block from Honda?
Nope, not for several years now
How much for that rocket ship
Is it normal for it to idle at 1,100 rpm when in neutral?
@@bige7186 fully warmed around 900-950. The factory dash usually reads a little higher.
@@LHTPerformancein the video it was fully warmed up to 3 bars and it was sitting at 1,100 that’s why
What a great video. Its nice to find people who are as anal as I am.
You guys have been at this for 20 something years and don’t know who Alaniz is/was?
SERIOUSLY. Joe Alaniz had the best ports. That’s a unicorn cylinder head right there… there couldn’t have been 100 of those heads before Alaniz went crazy and closed up shop.
Also… kind of strange to use a brand new short block on a boosted car!!!!
But to each their own.
@@andrewyoung3293 That head was one of the last heads he did, I heard the story about how he went crazy and the shit that went down, Steve new him fairly well and told me about it. All forged internals and staying under 500HP no need for a sleeved block. just opens the door for other problems
I never really got into much ported heads. We used DPR and port flow back in the day , also a couple by Endyn. The OEM parts are fine 95% of what I require .
Silence nerd 😂