Audio gets fixed at 4:00 ! Sorry for the error. errata: - apparently, according to everyone so far, wild boar is a billion times better than domestic pig - we were actually on to something concerning victorian-era europeans, mostly englishmen, having nibbles of ancient egyptian mummified corpses. and let me tell you it's pretty weird ,when you're just riffing some bullshit, to find out you've incidentally said something true - kath and kim would NOT drive to bulleen just for belandra's barbecue. they would go as far as glen waverley, but no further. - CORN
Wild Boar is delicious, 10/10 would recommend. It’s very popular in a lot of Europe and is getting more popular in the southern USA because there’s a huge invasive wild boar problem there.
i’ve been noticing schwifty becoming more and more accepting and sympathetic towards cannibals over the course of these stream. it’s great set up for when he finally eats glidus in stream number 6
Okay, following the impeccable logic of our favourite youtubists - if Glidus eats TWOW and then Schwify eats Glidus... Will that mean that Schwifty have eaten GRRM?
When I first watched one of these I thought “fun concept, probably listen for a few minutes, but I’m not doing 3 and a half hours of ASOIAF food descriptions.” 15 hours of ASOIAF food descriptions later: “ahhh when’s the next one dropping?!”
On the Meribald note: Being a clergyman (in-training) myself, I’ve always disliked the characterization of ASoIaF as entirely edgy atheist fiction. George is an atheist, sure, but religion in the books is portrayed with more nuance than people give it credit for. It’s critical of Catholic theology and culture, true, but that criticism isn’t wholesale. The entire spectrum of the clergy is presented: the pious and goodhearted (Chayle, Mordane, the Elder Brother, the begging brothers, my boy Meribald), the…very mixed (High Sparrow, Thoros, Baelor, Aeron, Mel), and the outright terrible (Septon Utt, the Faceless Men). Some characters use faith as a method of control or cruelty, while others, like Davos, are strengthened by their faith and have a strong moral compass in accordance with it. The show totally dropped that complexity, and was much worse off for it.
Even I, an atheist, was bothered by the show's version of the followers of the faith of the seven. Why make Davos a skeptic when he's supposed to be the representation of the "common" man, and most people in westeros were religious? Also that sad mixture of Elder Brother/Septon Meribald saying he doesn't really believe in the gods, he only cares about people being nice to each other. Why? What was the point of that? With all due respect to you father (future father?), I really despise the catholic church and most evangelical institutions, but that DOESN'T mean that every good Christian is at least partially atheist 😂
‘Someone’s probably eaten a pharaoh’ I’m so happy to be the one to tell you guys that in Victorian times eating mummies was considered a delicacy/medicine 😂
Victorians were some crazy bastards, they really just looked at the world as entirely meant for them. Grinding up ancient history to snort or put in their tea or whatever, dynamite "archeology", painting over old portraits to make them fit with modern sensibilities, pillaging mysteries of the past to build a road or just as a souvenir
I need more of these streams in my life, I add them to my migraine playlists - they help SO MUCH (maybe except loud SECRET TUNNELS parts). Its one of the best feelings in the world, the feeling of migraine medicine starting to take the pain away with the quiet voices of the shwifty and glidus in the background
Always prepare snacks first. This stream started 1:54 am my time here in eastern Canada and I was fast asleep lol Just catching it now, 7 hours later at 8:54 am lol
Please do architectural descriptions after this! It's not too hard to single them all out. I'd gladly do it if it means we'll get hour long streams of you guys talking about buildings
OMG, we've been blessed today!!! I can't even express how much I love the chemistry between you two. Can't wait to listen. BTW, where's the blisstake Glimbo? 😁
17:51 when Schwift acknowledged Preston, my little nerd fan heart skipped a beat... someday we will have them together in one conversation for our sick pleasure
Deeply funny to find references to DBZA, monty python, simpsons and 00's Australian TV comedies in my dragon book commentaries. Altshift and glibus are at the absolute centre of my nerdy intrest fenn diagram.
This is fabulous. 10/10 for losing it in Home Bargains, next to the Nescafé with all the writing in Greek and the pens that will last for exactly two and a half words. I love Home Bargains, limonata San Pellegrino for 2.50 when Tesco charge a tenner.
'Lemon Gate' is one of a score of parallels Martin has put into Dany's story as an homage to Cinderella, not a clue about Dorne. In Cinderella, the Brother's Grim version, there is a Hazel Tree (with giant yellow flowers) marking the grave of Cinderella's mother that is the place where she prays, and it the Hazel Tree (rather than fairy god mother) that grants her the wishes that change her life! This is a much better explanation for the Lemon Tree when you research it than forcing a Dorne upbringing on her that has no other evidence than a Lemon Tree, while there are dozens of carefully laid parallels by George Martin to Cinderella, just as Sansa's storyline is filled with references to Belle in Beauty and the Beast, Arya's storyline is filled with references to Odysseus, and both Stark sisters have many references to Ariel and the Little Mermaid throughout their storylines. Ice, Fire & Fairy Tales: Does the storyline of Daenerys in ASOIAF parallel the fairytale of Cinderella (‘little ash girl’)? Yes! Dany’s plot is a dark inversion of Cinderella’s (Cindy’s), in that Dany is already a princess and very much does not want to be sent off to marry the Dothraki prince (Khal Drogo)--or later to be pressured into marrying the gross Meereenese heir to Loraq (Hizdahr zo Loraq)--and her situation gets much worse with each unwanted marriage. But in many other respects, Dany’s journey is very similar to Cindy’s: our heroine begins as a young teenage girl (Cindy is 12, Dany is 13), who has lost her mother and father, and is currently living on a wealthy estate but nonetheless impoverished (the family’s wealth having been expended and its jewelry sold), where she is treated awfully by her sibling(s). Our heroine keeps going to / thinking about a large tree with yellow flowers / fruits that represents her lost mother / happier childhood (Cindy’s hazel tree and Dany’s lemon tree). Our heroine sustains her spirit through the hardest of times by dreams that ultimately come true, being helped along the way by some variety of a fairy godmother (Qaithe of the Shadow in Dany’s case sending her dreams with instructions on how to hatch the dragon eggs). Our heroine goes through the story freeing mice from traps and feeding corn to animals, in the case of Disney’s Cindy; and freeing slaves from bondage while struggling to secure food for her people, in the case of Dany. And when we reach the climax of the story-in Cindy’s case in the Brothers Grimm, two white pigeons perch dramatically on the shoulders of our heroine, named the ash-covered girl; and in Dany’s case, a hatchling black dragon perches dramatically on the shoulders of our heroine who is literally covered in ash from Drogo’s pyre. To fairly considered all the many parallels, we need to compare Dany’s journey to the three most famous versions of the story: --the 1697 French version written by Charles Perrault, Cendrillon ou la petite pantoufle de verre (‘Little Cinders, or the Glass Slipper’); --the darker 1812 German version written by the Brothers Grimm, Ashenputtel (‘Ash-Dirty Girl’); --the 1950 Disney animated classic (based on Perrault’s version of the story, plus songs and added animals with storylines). The most important differences among the versions are: The Fairy Godmother appears in the Perrault and Disney versions but in the Brothers Grimm version there is instead a magical wish-granting hazel tree with large yellow flower bunches, planted by Cindy to mark the grave of her mother. The 1950 Disney film features a major theme of Cinderella freeing mice from traps and cats and feeding animals throughout the story; it also includes a talking mouse Jaq who is Cinderella’s closest friend, as well as a loyal dog Bruno whom the step-mother has locked up down in the cellar, and the step-mother’s devilish cat, Lucifer, who is always trying to catch and eat Cindy’s beloved mice. Let’s proceed through the story and note some of the parallels in the remainder of this answer. Heroine’s Introduction ‘For the family fortunes were squandered…while Cinderella was abused and humiliated…But through it all Cinderella remained humble and kind, believing that someday her dreams would come true.’ -Prologue to Disney Cinderella ‘Her mother had died birthing her, and for that Viserys had never forgiven her… Years past they had been forced to sell their last few treasures, and now even the coin they had gotten for Mother’s crown was gone. -Dany 1, AGOT When we first meet Dany in Pentos, she is wearing “a rough cotton tunic” because they could no longer afford comfortable clothes, and “she could never remember wearing anything so soft” as the dress that Viserys presents to her to impress the Khal that evening. Time for a Bath Her blue bird friends give Cindy a sponge bath behind a screen, in her opening scene. ‘They filled her bath with hot water brought up from the kitchen.’ -Dany 1, AGOT, her opening scene. Rainbows For Our Heroine Have faith in your dreams, and someday your rainbow will come sliding through. No matter how your heart is grieving, if you keep on believing, the dream that you wish will come true.’ -Lyrics, 1st song in Disney Cinderella ‘You ought to see [the Dothraki sea] when it blooms, all dark red flowers from horizon to horizon like a sea of blood. Come the dry season, the world turns the color of old bronze. And this is only hranna, child. There are a hundred kinds of grass out there, grasses yellow as lemons and as dark as indigo, blue grasses and orange grasses and grasses like rainbows. Down in the Shadow Lands beyond Asshai, they say there are oceans of ghost grass…It murders all other grass and glows in the dark with the spirits of the damned.’ -Jorah Mormont, Dany 3, AGOT ‘Across the pit the graces sat in glowing robes of many colors, clustered around the austere figure of Galazza Galare, who alone among them wore the green.’ Note that green eyes and green clothing is code for evil in classic Disney movies. In Cinderella the evil stepmother and her cat Lucifer have green eyes, and the austere stepmother prefers green jewelry. Likewise, in Sleeping Beauty Maleficent has green eyes and turns into a green dragon. The ‘glowing robes of many colors’ is also a reference to Saruman, the deceitful, in The Two Towers who has exchanged his white robes for robes of many colors. These are but a few of the many clues that austere Green Grace is in fact the Harpy of Meereen, who has been responsible for the slaughter of freed slaves and Dany’s soldiers, forcing her to stay locked up for safety in a pyramid, just as the evil step-mother forced Cindy to stay locked up in their chaeteau, as well as at the top of the highest tower when guests came. But Dreams Can Come True ‘A dream is a wish your heart makes when you are fast asleep.’ -Lyrics, 1st song in Disney Cinderella ‘Yet when she slept that night, she dreamt the dragon dream again…There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood…She felt strong and new and fierce. The next day, strangely, she did not seem to hurt quite so much.’ -Dany 3, AGOT Climax of the Story ‘And as they passed the hazel bush, the two white pigeons cried, "There they go, there they go! No blood on her shoe; The shoe's not too small, The right bride is she after all." And when they had thus cried, they came flying after and perched on Cinderella's shoulders, one on the right, the other on the left, and so remained.’ -Brothers Grimm,1819 edition ‘And when the fire died at last and the ground was cool enough to walk upon, Ser Jorah Mormount found her amidst the ashes, surrounded by blacked logs and bits of glowing ember, and the burnt bones of man and woman and stallion. She was naked, covered with soot, her clothes turned to ash, her beautiful hair all crisped away…yet she was unhurt. The cream-and-gold dragon was sucking at her left breast, the green-and-bronze at the right. Her arms cradled them close. The black-and-scarlet beast was draped across her shoulders, its long sinuous neck curled under her chin.’ -Dany X, AGOT More parallels from A Dance with Dragons Shoes ‘Irri slid the slippers onto Dany’s feet. They were gilded leather, decorated with green freshwater pearls. Does the butcher king believe a pair of pretty slippers will win my hand? “King Cleon is most generous. You may thank him for his lovely gift.” Lovely, but made for a child. Dany had small feet, yet the pointed slippers mashed her toes together.’ -Dany, ADWD ‘Let me go!’ Dany twisted from [Ser Barristan’s] grasp. The world seemed to slow as she cleared the parapet. When she landed in the pit, she lost a sandal.’ -Dany IX, ADWD Flight from the Ball ‘Across the pit the graces sat in glowing robes of many colors, clustered around the austere figure of Galazza Galare, who alone among them wore the green.’ -Dany IX, ADWD The Green Grace’s name includes “gala,’ another name for a ball. For the Meereenese, the slaughter in the fighting pits is like a costumed ball, as all the Meereenese nobility wear brightly colored toqars and many of the guards around the stadium are wearing bronze animal masks. As the twelfth scheduled performance in Draznak’s Pit approaches and Drogon appears to eat the boar that has just killed a female gladiator, Dany rips off her stylish toqar, jumps down into the pit, losing one of her two sandles, and flies off on dragon-back just before the clock figuratively strikes midnight. Danaerys Stormborn is indeed this story’s Cinderella heroine, and that's why it's crucial that she have a tree with giant yellow fruit or flowers in her backstory. Jeffrey Claburn
Lemons also connect Dany to Sansa who loves lemon cakes. They make lemon cakes in Winterfell from lemons from the greenhouses, which is also the theory for how there is a lemon tree in Dorne for Dany to remember. I don’t think Martin is a botanist, in any case, but he does love retelling classic fairytales. So Sansa probably got her love of lemon cakes as a parallel to Dany who who got her lemon tree (bc Martin loves food) from Cinderella’s hazel tree (which does produce hazelnuts) but most people don’t know what a hazel tree is exactly.
Ikr?! Same! Glidus is a go-to staple for lifting spirits- as is Alt Shwift-both great on their own but then together -well, u just can’t argue with the comedic genius of this duo 😂
Literally just finished rewatching all the previous food livestreams and then I really needed this tonight. You guys are the best! I never get tired of your content
1:20:03 its called Sarma or Dolma and its a Mediterranean dish popular in Greece and Turkey, and yeah it is just the marinated grape leaves wrapped around the chosen filling.
Widows blood being used to kill Tywin just pretty much confirms Oberon did it. I mean, honestly, he’s exactly the sort of person who’d enjoy that poetic justice. Tywin killed his sister by ordering the mountain to do it, he’s got widows blood on his hands, and it’s fitting his insides would turn toxic and to shit like he is morally on the inside. A person with widows blood on their hands, dying by widows blood, with Oberon being proved innocent afterwards due to winning the fight.
Old comment that no one will read, but part of the deal that Tyrion makes with Dorne when he sends them Marcella is that they will get justice for the deaths of Elia, Rhaenys, and Aegon. That is probably why Oberyn said he came to kill the Mountain. I was an Oberyn poisoned Tywin truther too until the most recent time I read the books. Now I don't think there's enough evidence to make it anything other than a head canon.
Since I just woke up, I’m now listening to the stream (and you guys are hilarious as always!). Just wanted to add that you guys sounded as if you found it odd that they eat boar… boar is amazing! My grandparents own some forests and the local hunter brings us deer and boar every year. It really tastes fantastic. Cersei should be glad Robert wasn’t killed by a bear!
That was my plan too! Now I'm almost done with AFFC and am thinking I'll have time to fit in a full series reread before Winds is even done. And I'm a shamefully slow reader.
Really happy with you pointing out how messed up Cersei's punishment is and how the High Sparrow, while having some good qualities, is also just as much a savage, self-serving politician as the nobles are. Because yeah, she isn't punished for regicide, the possible murder of her childhood friend, destroying the economy of the Realm or the fact her children are born of incest (in fact, it's implied the High Sparrow intentionally lets that one slide, because he'd rather have Tommen on the throne than non-believer Stannis). She's punished for having sex outside of marriage, something plenty of male characters in this series do and even several female characters we actually like. Also, like others say, the High Sparrow wanted an easy scapegoat. It didn't really matter to him which queen he humiliated, either Cersei or Margaery, because it would cement the power of the Faith Militant and seeing how Cersei is far more hated by the smallfolk than Margaery, she was the more convenient target.
Glidus and I are on such perfect wavelengths. 1:07:15 I just saw a video on my recommend telling that story about the New Zealand French Scrabble guy right before I started to finish watching this.
The number of lengthy breakfast descriptions definitely went up in the last two books. I dread to think how many chapeters in winds will begin: "They broke their fast on..." I GET it, George! Breakfast = break fast! Jeez!
No one's gonna read that, but whatever. When Leaf calls Coldhands "very old" she might as well refer to the "concept" of Coldhands as a servant to the Three Eyed Crow, rather than speaking of this particular Coldhands. In the same book we have Ramsay saying that Reek was with him since childhood, clearly referring to the idea of there being a "Reek", rather than Theon specifically.
Oh no! No 4th one? These have made my Christmas. I could barely keep it together when you talked about Brienne eating cups. Never look at a cup again without keeking out a giggle.
1:30:11 the fact that these guys don't know about eating mummies as a delicacy by Europeans in the 17th and 18th century but speculated that accurately is hilarious
delighted by the two mulch diggums references, please do a little artemis fowl thing sometime that series was as much my childhood as animorphs was (rip animorphs abridged)
Dude no fucking way, just yesterday I was thinking man I hope Glimbus and Alt Schwift X stream soon, it’s probably because I’m rewatching the first four seasons of game of thrones again
Audio gets fixed at 4:00 ! Sorry for the error.
errata:
- apparently, according to everyone so far, wild boar is a billion times better than domestic pig
- we were actually on to something concerning victorian-era europeans, mostly englishmen, having nibbles of ancient egyptian mummified corpses. and let me tell you it's pretty weird ,when you're just riffing some bullshit, to find out you've incidentally said something true
- kath and kim would NOT drive to bulleen just for belandra's barbecue. they would go as far as glen waverley, but no further.
- CORN
imagine going to glenny for a barbecue. what a classy affair that would be
CORN
i was reminded by your Mummy riff, of the Futurama episode where Fry ate the Professor's mummy
KORN
Wild Boar is delicious, 10/10 would recommend. It’s very popular in a lot of Europe and is getting more popular in the southern USA because there’s a huge invasive wild boar problem there.
i’ve been noticing schwifty becoming more and more accepting and sympathetic towards cannibals over the course of these stream. it’s great set up for when he finally eats glidus in stream number 6
Better foreshadowing than Season 8 Dany nuking the joint.
Glidus eats Winds and Swift eats Glidus then GRR eats Spliff. It all comes full circle
The good news for Glidus is that, in keeping with GRRM tradition, there will be at least a decade between installments 5 and 6.
Okay, following the impeccable logic of our favourite youtubists - if Glidus eats TWOW and then Schwify eats Glidus... Will that mean that Schwifty have eaten GRRM?
Mmmm delicious glidus paste
honestly I dont even care what they are talking about as long as they are doing a colab
Honestly, yeah 😂
Schwifty Glibus collabs are the best agreed
For Real!
The chemistry you guys have is just peak. You take the dumbest ideas and make them the most entertaining content
When I first watched one of these I thought “fun concept, probably listen for a few minutes, but I’m not doing 3 and a half hours of ASOIAF food descriptions.”
15 hours of ASOIAF food descriptions later: “ahhh when’s the next one dropping?!”
Start of the stream is the POV of hanging out w Glimbus while Schwift speaks from inside the toilet
I used to think Schwifty was the calm rational one and Glimbo brought the chaotic energy, but the longer this goes on it’s CLEARLY the reverse
It's all part of the plan where glidus reveals he was disguised as alt shift X all along
On the Meribald note: Being a clergyman (in-training) myself, I’ve always disliked the characterization of ASoIaF as entirely edgy atheist fiction. George is an atheist, sure, but religion in the books is portrayed with more nuance than people give it credit for. It’s critical of Catholic theology and culture, true, but that criticism isn’t wholesale. The entire spectrum of the clergy is presented: the pious and goodhearted (Chayle, Mordane, the Elder Brother, the begging brothers, my boy Meribald), the…very mixed (High Sparrow, Thoros, Baelor, Aeron, Mel), and the outright terrible (Septon Utt, the Faceless Men). Some characters use faith as a method of control or cruelty, while others, like Davos, are strengthened by their faith and have a strong moral compass in accordance with it. The show totally dropped that complexity, and was much worse off for it.
Even I, an atheist, was bothered by the show's version of the followers of the faith of the seven. Why make Davos a skeptic when he's supposed to be the representation of the "common" man, and most people in westeros were religious?
Also that sad mixture of Elder Brother/Septon Meribald saying he doesn't really believe in the gods, he only cares about people being nice to each other. Why? What was the point of that? With all due respect to you father (future father?), I really despise the catholic church and most evangelical institutions, but that DOESN'T mean that every good Christian is at least partially atheist 😂
There’s also Melisandre and her complex religious tones.
The stream of you two are my favourite thing on UA-cam i swear to god. Your energy is impeccable and contiguous
They could talk about literally anything and I would tune up
@@olavisalomaa exactly man. They be Keeping ASOIAF alive and us happy
Yes, they could even easily pick a wayyy more mondaine topic and it would still be primetime for me.
moar
they have made my year man like doing chores is a lot more fun now
The one night I don’t have insomnia is the night these guys finally get together for a live
Listening to this at the supermarket while grocery shopping was the best worst idea.
‘Someone’s probably eaten a pharaoh’ I’m so happy to be the one to tell you guys that in Victorian times eating mummies was considered a delicacy/medicine 😂
that sounds a victorian grift to sell phony medicine that apparently might have been from a mummified pharaoh.
someone else replied to this and i can't read their reply so now i'm curious what they said
Victorians were some crazy bastards, they really just looked at the world as entirely meant for them. Grinding up ancient history to snort or put in their tea or whatever, dynamite "archeology", painting over old portraits to make them fit with modern sensibilities, pillaging mysteries of the past to build a road or just as a souvenir
Don't take him back Glimbus, we know he hurt you.
For those who are wondering alt shift x did a video with another youtuber, luckly that's a completely different guy to alt schwift x so it's all good.
@@miguelnavarrete8578 he actually cheated on him? I wouldn't let that slide, they should have some theory 1v1 or somethjng
@@eren__morwen5947Shift is a real muthafucka, we generally do not speak of his treachery
Basphamy
This will get way more views than that one night stream thing with whats his face. Glimbo and Swifty 4 ever
"Give me one reason not to unhinge my jaw and eat a pedestrian"
I have that tattooed on my forehead
The technical difficulties at the beginning has now strengthened my head-canon
Glidus and Swift are Roommates
If not married
oh my god they were roommates.
I'm unreasonably happy that asx finally saw the light regarding lemongate
A new livestream of Alternating Rotating Piston and Glygar talking about fictional fantasy food for me to listen to at work. Excellent
I need more of these streams in my life, I add them to my migraine playlists - they help SO MUCH (maybe except loud SECRET TUNNELS parts). Its one of the best feelings in the world, the feeling of migraine medicine starting to take the pain away with the quiet voices of the shwifty and glidus in the background
I was just browsing these comments and it made me really happy reading about how these live streams help you.
Hope you're well
Why do I jump into all these streams assuming it won't make me hungry?
I put this on, made food, and just when I sat down to eat we got to the part where a guy gets cut up and fed to himself
At least it's not Ramadan like their first stream
@joshanderson9391 Honestly I did really like the stream they did during Ramadan it was good content at the time for me at least
Always prepare snacks first. This stream started 1:54 am my time here in eastern Canada and I was fast asleep lol Just catching it now, 7 hours later at 8:54 am lol
@@joshanderson9391lmao, this doesn't affect 80% of the earth. Why would they have cared?
Glidus' wheezing laughter tier list
belandra is definitely s-tier
I prefer the 911 part
Meeting JonCon : of course you have blue hair and pronouns
From the dark recesses of the internet, glimjims returns to talk about fake food
Glimbo's wheeze laugh warms my heart
I can't believe that of all the incomplete tier list streams about theories and characters, this is the one you're actually gonna finish.
Don't jinx it😂
Please do architectural descriptions after this! It's not too hard to single them all out. I'd gladly do it if it means we'll get hour long streams of you guys talking about buildings
OMG, we've been blessed today!!! I can't even express how much I love the chemistry between you two. Can't wait to listen. BTW, where's the blisstake Glimbo? 😁
I think you've just delayed it by another week.
@@mensch79music3 Oh noooo! 😢
The glimbo giveth and the glimbo taketh away
43:16 I find it very funny that the best person at reading Rhllor's fires is the pyrophobic Sandor Clegane.
17:51 when Schwift acknowledged Preston, my little nerd fan heart skipped a beat... someday we will have them together in one conversation for our sick pleasure
Deeply funny to find references to DBZA, monty python, simpsons and 00's Australian TV comedies in my dragon book commentaries. Altshift and glibus are at the absolute centre of my nerdy intrest fenn diagram.
4:24 Glimburger lets Schwift out of the hole after it puts the lotion on its skin
The wun-wun joke had me fighting for my life in a Home Bargains
This is fabulous. 10/10 for losing it in Home Bargains, next to the Nescafé with all the writing in Greek and the pens that will last for exactly two and a half words. I love Home Bargains, limonata San Pellegrino for 2.50 when Tesco charge a tenner.
@@acatonawall3938 no vacuum cleaners unfortunately. had to go to b&m
02:09:51
Alt Schwift X confirmed Lemon Gate at 50:00
Oh my god you literally killed me at the Timoth and Belandra bit, I cried of laughter so bad 😂😂😂
Gotta love all of the updates to the AltshwiftX bastard lore
'Lemon Gate' is one of a score of parallels Martin has put into Dany's story as an homage to Cinderella, not a clue about Dorne. In Cinderella, the Brother's Grim version, there is a Hazel Tree (with giant yellow flowers) marking the grave of Cinderella's mother that is the place where she prays, and it the Hazel Tree (rather than fairy god mother) that grants her the wishes that change her life! This is a much better explanation for the Lemon Tree when you research it than forcing a Dorne upbringing on her that has no other evidence than a Lemon Tree, while there are dozens of carefully laid parallels by George Martin to Cinderella, just as Sansa's storyline is filled with references to Belle in Beauty and the Beast, Arya's storyline is filled with references to Odysseus, and both Stark sisters have many references to Ariel and the Little Mermaid throughout their storylines.
Ice, Fire & Fairy Tales: Does the storyline of Daenerys in ASOIAF parallel the fairytale of Cinderella (‘little ash girl’)?
Yes! Dany’s plot is a dark inversion of Cinderella’s (Cindy’s), in that Dany is already a princess and very much does not want to be sent off to marry the Dothraki prince (Khal Drogo)--or later to be pressured into marrying the gross Meereenese heir to Loraq (Hizdahr zo Loraq)--and her situation gets much worse with each unwanted marriage.
But in many other respects, Dany’s journey is very similar to Cindy’s: our heroine begins as a young teenage girl (Cindy is 12, Dany is 13), who has lost her mother and father, and is currently living on a wealthy estate but nonetheless impoverished (the family’s wealth having been expended and its jewelry sold), where she is treated awfully by her sibling(s). Our heroine keeps going to / thinking about a large tree with yellow flowers / fruits that represents her lost mother / happier childhood (Cindy’s hazel tree and Dany’s lemon tree).
Our heroine sustains her spirit through the hardest of times by dreams that ultimately come true, being helped along the way by some variety of a fairy godmother (Qaithe of the Shadow in Dany’s case sending her dreams with instructions on how to hatch the dragon eggs). Our heroine goes through the story freeing mice from traps and feeding corn to animals, in the case of Disney’s Cindy; and freeing slaves from bondage while struggling to secure food for her people, in the case of Dany.
And when we reach the climax of the story-in Cindy’s case in the Brothers Grimm, two white pigeons perch dramatically on the shoulders of our heroine, named the ash-covered girl; and in Dany’s case, a hatchling black dragon perches dramatically on the shoulders of our heroine who is literally covered in ash from Drogo’s pyre.
To fairly considered all the many parallels, we need to compare Dany’s journey to the three most famous versions of the story:
--the 1697 French version written by Charles Perrault, Cendrillon ou la petite pantoufle de verre (‘Little Cinders, or the Glass Slipper’);
--the darker 1812 German version written by the Brothers Grimm, Ashenputtel (‘Ash-Dirty Girl’);
--the 1950 Disney animated classic (based on Perrault’s version of the story, plus songs and added animals with storylines).
The most important differences among the versions are:
The Fairy Godmother appears in the Perrault and Disney versions but in the Brothers Grimm version there is instead a magical wish-granting hazel tree with large yellow flower bunches, planted by Cindy to mark the grave of her mother.
The 1950 Disney film features a major theme of Cinderella freeing mice from traps and cats and feeding animals throughout the story; it also includes a talking mouse Jaq who is Cinderella’s closest friend, as well as a loyal dog Bruno whom the step-mother has locked up down in the cellar, and the step-mother’s devilish cat, Lucifer, who is always trying to catch and eat Cindy’s beloved mice.
Let’s proceed through the story and note some of the parallels in the remainder of this answer.
Heroine’s Introduction
‘For the family fortunes were squandered…while Cinderella was abused and humiliated…But through it all Cinderella remained humble and kind, believing that someday her dreams would come true.’ -Prologue to Disney Cinderella
‘Her mother had died birthing her, and for that Viserys had never forgiven her… Years past they had been forced to sell their last few treasures, and now even the coin they had gotten for Mother’s crown was gone. -Dany 1, AGOT
When we first meet Dany in Pentos, she is wearing “a rough cotton tunic” because they could no longer afford comfortable clothes, and “she could never remember wearing anything so soft” as the dress that Viserys presents to her to impress the Khal that evening.
Time for a Bath
Her blue bird friends give Cindy a sponge bath behind a screen, in her opening scene.
‘They filled her bath with hot water brought up from the kitchen.’ -Dany 1, AGOT, her opening scene.
Rainbows For Our Heroine
Have faith in your dreams, and someday your rainbow will come sliding through. No matter how your heart is grieving, if you keep on believing, the dream that you wish will come true.’ -Lyrics, 1st song in Disney Cinderella
‘You ought to see [the Dothraki sea] when it blooms, all dark red flowers from horizon to horizon like a sea of blood. Come the dry season, the world turns the color of old bronze. And this is only hranna, child. There are a hundred kinds of grass out there, grasses yellow as lemons and as dark as indigo, blue grasses and orange grasses and grasses like rainbows. Down in the Shadow Lands beyond Asshai, they say there are oceans of ghost grass…It murders all other grass and glows in the dark with the spirits of the damned.’ -Jorah Mormont, Dany 3, AGOT
‘Across the pit the graces sat in glowing robes of many colors, clustered around the austere figure of Galazza Galare, who alone among them wore the green.’
Note that green eyes and green clothing is code for evil in classic Disney movies. In Cinderella the evil stepmother and her cat Lucifer have green eyes, and the austere stepmother prefers green jewelry. Likewise, in Sleeping Beauty Maleficent has green eyes and turns into a green dragon.
The ‘glowing robes of many colors’ is also a reference to Saruman, the deceitful, in The Two Towers who has exchanged his white robes for robes of many colors.
These are but a few of the many clues that austere Green Grace is in fact the Harpy of Meereen, who has been responsible for the slaughter of freed slaves and Dany’s soldiers, forcing her to stay locked up for safety in a pyramid, just as the evil step-mother forced Cindy to stay locked up in their chaeteau, as well as at the top of the highest tower when guests came.
But Dreams Can Come True
‘A dream is a wish your heart makes when you are fast asleep.’ -Lyrics, 1st song in Disney Cinderella
‘Yet when she slept that night, she dreamt the dragon dream again…There was only her and the dragon. Its scales were black as night, wet and slick with blood…She felt strong and new and fierce. The next day, strangely, she did not seem to hurt quite so much.’ -Dany 3, AGOT
Climax of the Story
‘And as they passed the hazel bush, the two white pigeons cried,
"There they go, there they go!
No blood on her shoe;
The shoe's not too small,
The right bride is she after all."
And when they had thus cried, they came flying after and perched on Cinderella's shoulders, one on the right, the other on the left, and so remained.’ -Brothers Grimm,1819 edition
‘And when the fire died at last and the ground was cool enough to walk upon, Ser Jorah Mormount found her amidst the ashes, surrounded by blacked logs and bits of glowing ember, and the burnt bones of man and woman and stallion. She was naked, covered with soot, her clothes turned to ash, her beautiful hair all crisped away…yet she was unhurt.
The cream-and-gold dragon was sucking at her left breast, the green-and-bronze at the right. Her arms cradled them close. The black-and-scarlet beast was draped across her shoulders, its long sinuous neck curled under her chin.’ -Dany X, AGOT
More parallels from A Dance with Dragons
Shoes
‘Irri slid the slippers onto Dany’s feet. They were gilded leather, decorated with green freshwater pearls. Does the butcher king believe a pair of pretty slippers will win my hand? “King Cleon is most generous. You may thank him for his lovely gift.” Lovely, but made for a child. Dany had small feet, yet the pointed slippers mashed her toes together.’ -Dany, ADWD
‘Let me go!’ Dany twisted from [Ser Barristan’s] grasp. The world seemed to slow as she cleared the parapet. When she landed in the pit, she lost a sandal.’ -Dany IX, ADWD
Flight from the Ball
‘Across the pit the graces sat in glowing robes of many colors, clustered around the austere figure of Galazza Galare, who alone among them wore the green.’ -Dany IX, ADWD
The Green Grace’s name includes “gala,’ another name for a ball. For the Meereenese, the slaughter in the fighting pits is like a costumed ball, as all the Meereenese nobility wear brightly colored toqars and many of the guards around the stadium are wearing bronze animal masks. As the twelfth scheduled performance in Draznak’s Pit approaches and Drogon appears to eat the boar that has just killed a female gladiator, Dany rips off her stylish toqar, jumps down into the pit, losing one of her two sandles, and flies off on dragon-back just before the clock figuratively strikes midnight.
Danaerys Stormborn is indeed this story’s Cinderella heroine, and that's why it's crucial that she have a tree with giant yellow fruit or flowers in her backstory.
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Lemons also connect Dany to Sansa who loves lemon cakes. They make lemon cakes in Winterfell from lemons from the greenhouses, which is also the theory for how there is a lemon tree in Dorne for Dany to remember. I don’t think Martin is a botanist, in any case, but he does love retelling classic fairytales. So Sansa probably got her love of lemon cakes as a parallel to Dany who who got her lemon tree (bc Martin loves food) from Cinderella’s hazel tree (which does produce hazelnuts) but most people don’t know what a hazel tree is exactly.
Hooooly shi-
Or he just goofed
These collabs make me more happy than you could imagine please do more idc what they're about
I was just hoping for a new schwift and glimbus video!! y’all together making anything are my favorite videos
Since Hippocras is named after Hippocrates, did ASOIF’s universe also have Ancient Greece randomly hanging about
I like to imagine Hippocrates is a similarly important but entirely different historical figure in Westeros
@@amiteeaHippocrates the dragon rider: do ALL harm
Diogenes of House Mudd
Pyat Pree is a country ham, buried in the backyard in 6 feet of salt for 2 entire years, except the salt is shade of the evening
HOW THE FUCK DID I MISS THIS 😭😭😭😭😭
Because it was too friggin' early!
Because it started at 1:54 am here in eastern Canada eastern time while I was sleeping lol
it's funny how there are actual zombies in the series, but the only instance of someone being eaten alive is by a lucid cannibal man with filed teeth.
Was just about to rewatch some old Glidus content when I stumbled on this stream. very happy
Ikr?! Same! Glidus is a go-to staple for lifting spirits- as is Alt Shwift-both great on their own but then together -well, u just can’t argue with the comedic genius of this duo 😂
Night before my final exam - I open YouT🎉ube to get in a chilled state of mind and this is first video in my feed.
Joy.
Good luck in your exam!!
Literally just finished rewatching all the previous food livestreams and then I really needed this tonight. You guys are the best! I never get tired of your content
the wun-wun joke sent me to the atmosphere shwift is just too quick with it
Ngl both of these fellas are actually pretty cool
I listen to this one frequently because the uncontrollable laughing over "Belandra" is hysterical and it makes me laugh every time.
I’m absolutely here for the very therapeutic ramblings of two of my favorite GoT theorists. Cheers
So annoyed I missed this live, but beyond excited to see a Glidus upload and to see that unhinged lunatic Schwift!
1:20:03 its called Sarma or Dolma and its a Mediterranean dish popular in Greece and Turkey, and yeah it is just the marinated grape leaves wrapped around the chosen filling.
Widows blood being used to kill Tywin just pretty much confirms Oberon did it. I mean, honestly, he’s exactly the sort of person who’d enjoy that poetic justice. Tywin killed his sister by ordering the mountain to do it, he’s got widows blood on his hands, and it’s fitting his insides would turn toxic and to shit like he is morally on the inside. A person with widows blood on their hands, dying by widows blood, with Oberon being proved innocent afterwards due to winning the fight.
Glidus is back :) makes me so happpy
alt schwift and glidus joking about people nibbling on mummies when most mummies are gone because we actually ate them is very funny
i look forward to these streams so much, thank you for doing them!! ☺️💗
Fun fact 1:00:00. The SPAM Monty Python sketch is the reason the word spam is used for spam nowadays
Asx coming around to lemongate is the best character arc in game of thrones
The license plate on my dads 2024 black and red corvette is “C4R4XE5”
This is my favourite hangover podcast
Talking about ranking smells and cannibalism is a testament to what our fandom has been reduced to while waiting for TWOW 😂😂😂😂
4 minutes of Glidus talking with himself
Goated content
I SHALL HAVE MANY WAR UPDATES NEXT TIME
The perfect media to *consume* during my lunch break.
You have an impressively large lunch break
thanks glindus and art shaft axe for the brilliant food reviews as always
Old comment that no one will read, but part of the deal that Tyrion makes with Dorne when he sends them Marcella is that they will get justice for the deaths of Elia, Rhaenys, and Aegon. That is probably why Oberyn said he came to kill the Mountain. I was an Oberyn poisoned Tywin truther too until the most recent time I read the books. Now I don't think there's enough evidence to make it anything other than a head canon.
„Streamed 48 minutes ago“ damn it, how did I miss
Since I just woke up, I’m now listening to the stream (and you guys are hilarious as always!). Just wanted to add that you guys sounded as if you found it odd that they eat boar… boar is amazing! My grandparents own some forests and the local hunter brings us deer and boar every year. It really tastes fantastic. Cersei should be glad Robert wasn’t killed by a bear!
You sound like a noble now hahaha
I MISSED THE STREAM BECAUSE I WAS CRYING ABOUT BEING BROKEN UP WITH HOW LAME I SHOULD'VE BEEN HERE
Break ups suck
lmao
Think about it this way, now you have 3 hours of content to cheer you up! Sorry about that btw
Hope things get better for you and you find healing and happiness 💗
Same
the bastard lore is my favorite thing to think about
There are potatoes in Lord of the Rings too, haters hate to see a tuber thrive
These 2 are growing progressively crazier as the years pass, and we are going crazy too!
glidus and schwifty talking about their delayed projects is a level of inception i never wanted
im at affc now after you guys made me buy the books. I read the first few too fast, now i gotta slow down so i finish adwd when twow comes out
One word per day
That was my plan too! Now I'm almost done with AFFC and am thinking I'll have time to fit in a full series reread before Winds is even done. And I'm a shamefully slow reader.
CORN
Was just searching for something to listen to at work today. Thank you very much :)
The funniest is Mariya Darry: "Hanged, Amy, not hung. Your father wasn t a tapestry." You can feel how disapointed she is that Merrett wasn t one...
Also merrett frey was definetly not "hung"
Maybe
@@herbertschulz4313 He was hangover. ^^
Im so happy that this exists
so many glottal stops there are hardly glottal beginnings - this is the content i'm here for
Really happy with you pointing out how messed up Cersei's punishment is and how the High Sparrow, while having some good qualities, is also just as much a savage, self-serving politician as the nobles are.
Because yeah, she isn't punished for regicide, the possible murder of her childhood friend, destroying the economy of the Realm or the fact her children are born of incest (in fact, it's implied the High Sparrow intentionally lets that one slide, because he'd rather have Tommen on the throne than non-believer Stannis). She's punished for having sex outside of marriage, something plenty of male characters in this series do and even several female characters we actually like. Also, like others say, the High Sparrow wanted an easy scapegoat. It didn't really matter to him which queen he humiliated, either Cersei or Margaery, because it would cement the power of the Faith Militant and seeing how Cersei is far more hated by the smallfolk than Margaery, she was the more convenient target.
My Wednesday has been exponentially improved, thanks for the stream lads!
Christmas in September what a treat!!!!
Damn it Glidus, I wanted to sleep tonight, now I have to watch a 3 hour video.
Awesome as always... look forward to the conclusion.
i agree with stannis being the funniest solely for the line "I AM NOT WITHOUT MERCY" thundered he who was notoriously without mercy
Im just so happy right now, this makes my whole week. Is the grease running down the chin of my life.
Glidus and I are on such perfect wavelengths. 1:07:15 I just saw a video on my recommend telling that story about the New Zealand French Scrabble guy right before I started to finish watching this.
I feel like the qualification for S tier lowered a lot this episode
Made Hippocras a few years back. It was so good, such an interesting process to make.
The number of lengthy breakfast descriptions definitely went up in the last two books. I dread to think how many chapeters in winds will begin: "They broke their fast on..."
I GET it, George! Breakfast = break fast! Jeez!
Ah, to come home late and famished and to find this nice treat!
No one's gonna read that, but whatever. When Leaf calls Coldhands "very old" she might as well refer to the "concept" of Coldhands as a servant to the Three Eyed Crow, rather than speaking of this particular Coldhands. In the same book we have Ramsay saying that Reek was with him since childhood, clearly referring to the idea of there being a "Reek", rather than Theon specifically.
WHY DID YOU START THIS WHEN I WAS SLEEPING?!?!?!? Also thousandth like, I love you guys!
Oh no! No 4th one? These have made my Christmas. I could barely keep it together when you talked about Brienne eating cups. Never look at a cup again without keeking out a giggle.
I hope there’s another one of these streams soon!
1:30:11 the fact that these guys don't know about eating mummies as a delicacy by Europeans in the 17th and 18th century but speculated that accurately is hilarious
"The Faith of the seven have no miracles or power"
Tyrion: Am I a joke to You?
This was a lovely birthday gift
delighted by the two mulch diggums references, please do a little artemis fowl thing sometime that series was as much my childhood as animorphs was (rip animorphs abridged)
The ice spiders will eat all the food when they attack the Vale!
"9-11, the North never forgets" is something I never thought I would have heard in my entire life.
Dude no fucking way, just yesterday I was thinking man I hope Glimbus and Alt Schwift X stream soon, it’s probably because I’m rewatching the first four seasons of game of thrones again