Nice review! I wasn't even aware that a new Oracle was coming out. I've got the standard Oracle (non-touch) and absolutely love it. A couple of tips from my own experience with this machine over the last 12 months or so, 1. keep the group handle in the group head while the machine is heating up, or run a naked shot (water only) to heat it up quickly before prepping the puck. 2. purge the steam wand before frothing your first jug of milk, this will get rid of the condensation in the wand and prevent water from entering the milk at the start of the process, you want only steam here. 3. I've had issues with shot consistency in the past and found that getting rid of the loose grinds from the puck first seems to help with this, so once the grind and self tamp has completed I give mine a very light tap upside down on the knock box to get rid of the loose grinds, then pull the shot. This also has the benefit of keeping the group head that little bit cleaner as well.
i also have the oracle, and i think the main problem is the fact that u cant change the dose amount. you actually cant get 18g, even if u lower the screw to the last thread.
@@thesoundman out of curiosity, what is the closest you've managed to get to 18g? I haven't bothered weighing my doses, after watching plenty of reviews including one by James Hoffman, I decided not to fiddle with the dose amount and simply use the grind setting to dial it in. I do feel like we go through a lot of beans though, so I suspect each dose is greater than 18g.
@@jimmybbeam ok, so here is what I found so far: With the original basket, default settings, you will get like 22-24g! If you lower the fan screw to as low as possible, you will get 20-21g. Now, the sensor depends on the basket depth, so I found the 3bomber 15g basket, which is 2mm less deep than the original double basket. With this one you will get 18.5g-19.5g. Now it’s a matter of what tamp force (in the menus) and grind level to be able to get 18-18.5g. It’s really difficult to keep consistent 18g because u need to dial in ur machine from time to time and for each type of beans. So I’m kinda “live” with it at around 19g which is way more than what Ive used when I had the Barista Touch (15g-16g, and very consistent!)
Thank you. Fantastic review. Like you said there are hardly any if no reviews out there and we like your simple and practical approach. We also love our coffee. We've got the dual boiler and also a mini Nespresso which we take camping. I think you've convinced us to buy one. The auto adjustment of the grind has sold me the different milk settings. Now just to see how we can knock the price down using points and discount coupons.
Thank you for taking the time to make a video. It was great wnd confirms my next purchase. I do want to recommend you get fresher beans. Treat yourself. You have a 3k machine on hand 👌
I have my eye on this machine as a replacement for my Capresso [Jura] 1000 which I bought for US$1,000 in 1997. That wonderful Capresso (about the same size as the Breville Oracle Jet) is still working almost as well as when it was new. We do have great water in Boulder, Colorado, plus I have a water filter at my sink. So the machine gets nice water with few minerals. But the 25 year old machine has never produced the quality of foam that I saw both of you make with the Breville. That is very impressive. I brewed coffee and steamed milk in a Jura Z10 (about US$3800) a month ago, and I was not impressed enough to think of spending that kind of money. Thank you both for the demonstration.
Thanks for a really good and down-to-earth review. Going to buy my first espresso machine shortly, have been trying to decide between the Jura E8 and Sage Barista variants and it has weighed more towards the Sage, as the cleaning feels cumbersome (and expensive) on the Jura variants. Now I have opened my eyes to this model and even though it costs a little more initially, it feels very interesting and is currently at the top of the shopping list. Thanks again, you have a new subscriber.
You simply wasting coffee using the double basket and then press the single shot option on the machine. You should swap the basket to the integrated single or just buy another portafilter and put the single basket in. So that way both of you can use the favorite portafilter according to your favorite drink.
Thanks for a great review in a real world context. I have a Jura Z7 which is ancient now, and it does a fine job with the Aldi beans (I go for the Brazil usually just to be fancy). but bits of the Old Jura are starting to show wear & tear. It's getting noisier, the clear bean cover has cracked, and I've had to replace a leaking water tank. So thanks for showing this new machine to give me some idea of the new stuff out there.
awesome review, really considering this machine to replace my Breville Barista Express Impress. One thing to note i saw from another review was the underneath of the steam wand, around the temp sensor can get a little crusty with milk, be sure to double check that and clean it often, when wiping the milk off be sure to wipe under too not just around =D
Loved your review! I have a quick question: if you are preparing 4-5 coffees, do you need to wait a long time between coffees, or is it straight away? It will usually just be 2 (wifey and me), but sometimes we'll have some family over and they ask for coffee, so we need to keep them happy... Thanks!
Hey - great video! And you're right - you're the first review. I'm going to order one, and return the Jura I got. I like the Jura - but the froth isn't that great (and for the money, it should be better than a Nespresso frother!). Thanks again!
Great review! My partner and I currently have the Barista Touch, which we love - bought it new about 4 years ago, and not a single issue with it. We did purchase a Breville Smart Grinder Pro to always have 2 different beans available without a hassle. We keep the baseline Lavazza Super Crema in the machine, and the special beans (currently Jamaican Blue Mountain/Clifton Mount Estate Medium) in the Grinder Pro. I'm curious what you would think about the Lavazza Super Crema bean...?
We have not tried the super crema. However i will add it to the list. A few people have made some awesome suggestions so far. Just a bit of a follow up. My jura z9 is back working. Side by side for the coffee they produce, the breville is in a different leage. The jura is an old machine. But even adjusting settings in the z9 i can not make a comparable coffee to what the breville is doing.
As far as supermarket beans go, Lazzio are pretty good. They are always winning awards in their category. My favourite supermarket bean is Vittoria Mountain Grown - heaps of chocolate flavour and always on special at half price $22 per kg at either Coles or Woolies. Nice review and nice machine!
Thank you! Yes, the beans have been ok…. Fine good… I’m sure there is better out there but they are great value and still look forward to having the morning coffee
A lot like the new Ninja Luxe that’s $500. I would like to see a taste test comparing the two. Curious about speciality beans in the Ninja vs Lavazza in the Breville.
I really want to replace my Ascaso Steel Duo with this machine lol. I primarily want this so that my sister doesn't bug me in making her a latte every morning while I try to sleep. I want this so that my family can just touch three buttons and the coffee is done. I wonder if this machine provides the same results as the Ascaso. I have a separate 83mm flat burr I use for espresso hopefully I can achieve the same taste for the espresso with that tiny burr.
This just became available at my local Crate & Barrel, and I think I’ll save up for it. I was interested in the Barista Touch but the screen looked very dated, and this refresh + upgrade is just what I was looking for. Have you tried using the “cold brew” feature? Thank you for the entertaining and informative breakdown!
Yes I have. To be honest I didn’t think much of the cold brew feature. I used to drink a lot of iced coffee. With the jura I would just run the espresso shot straight over ice. This takes longer to dispense in cold brew, requires a grind adjustment. Cold coffee always tastes so different so maybe I need to have a few more to appreciate the cold brew profile. But right now, I wouldn’t lean on it as a selling point. That said nearly a month in. I love this machine. I got my jura fixed this week up to check if my memory was scewed. This breville makes a much better late. Not even comparable.
I have the last model, I had problems with the brewing solenoid, first payd by the company (they knew about the problem), second one was on me, then the milk wand had some parts to be replaced , I think I spend like 200-250$ yearly work and maintenance / 6years total , still rocking , guess That's the price you pay for having a great machine .
@testandtune6096 I do the cleaning cycle every week (just water), I rinse for 5 seconds every brew and milk wand rinse as well after use . Now , you can buy the beans you like the most it's your money and machine but just be careful with supermarket beans on how quickly they release fat from the inside , you don't want that oily droplets inside that increible grinding mechanism. 🤙 Ps . I dont use tap water now too many minerals , creates a white build inside.
Hello, Again, thanks for a great video. What size (height) do you have on your latte mugs? As I understand it, do these reach the max height to be placed in the machine?
16:28 I think you’ll adjust to the knock box. I used to make a mess, but then I figured out you don’t really have to hit it that hard to knock them out.
Thanks for the video, great review! I'm currently owning Jura Z10, but considering a change to something like Breville/Sage (in EU) or more advance prosumers coffee machine (preferably semi automatic). Have you considered Meraki Coffee Machine from Kickstarter? It's interesting project, but new company and product that makes me doubt.
I remember looking at it. I was concerned about longevity and issues with the kickstarter. Brevilles track record isn’t great. But at least I have some local support is any issues arrise
I have a Jura Z10 which is way more expensive and it’s still awful. I think the reason is that Jura like all full automatic machines has just a brewing pressure of 3bar. Espresso is always bitter and bad extracted. The only thing which is great is the milk. Will change to Ninja or Sage as soon as it comes out here.
Just a bit of a follow up. My jura z9 is back working. Side by side with same bean, for the coffee they produce, the breville is in a different leage. The jura is an old machine. But even adjusting settings in the z9 i can not make a comparable coffee to what the breville is doing.
Great video. I’m waiting for this machine to be available in the US but I haven’t seen it anywhere yet. I do wonder though… don’t you have to select the shot size before you grind and also use the smaller basket for a single shot?
It is recommend to change to the smaller basket. Essentially it’s too much coffee in the basket for a smaller pour qty. but this works for us and saves swapping the basket
Thanks for the video I have been after a review on these coffee machine. Tho they are out of our price range. I am however going to pick up an original Oracle next week. My youngest son has one and it’s amazing value for the $950 off Facebook marketplace for a certified referb machine. Ours is on order. Like you I found the Oracle produces excellent shots. Actually much better than the Rocket Giotto we had about 17 years ago. Unreliable POS that was. It was the first of the Rocket branded Giotto’s. So the new ones might be better. Try some beans from some local roasters there are some real gems. I am picking up a DF54 grinder as a single dose grinder for those “special” beans or decafe and have our “daily” probably CoffeeSnobs Gold which will live in the grinder as our “we dont have a lot of time but need a coffee” beans.
Let me know what you think of the machine once it’s been in the house for a week or so. Also that’s a great idea getting a seperate grinder for special beans! Thanks for the idea there.
@@testandtune6096yeah I will do. From the reviews I have seen there isn’t a lot of difference In taste between the DF54, DF64 and DF83 and unless you want to play around with the different burr sets the two bigger grinders probably aren’t worth it. We also have a small kitchen so it will probably be the DF54 for us. They are cheapest off eBay or Amazon. Tho some local shops have these range of grinders at reasonable prices.
Nice review! I wasn't even aware that a new Oracle was coming out. I've got the standard Oracle (non-touch) and absolutely love it. A couple of tips from my own experience with this machine over the last 12 months or so, 1. keep the group handle in the group head while the machine is heating up, or run a naked shot (water only) to heat it up quickly before prepping the puck. 2. purge the steam wand before frothing your first jug of milk, this will get rid of the condensation in the wand and prevent water from entering the milk at the start of the process, you want only steam here. 3. I've had issues with shot consistency in the past and found that getting rid of the loose grinds from the puck first seems to help with this, so once the grind and self tamp has completed I give mine a very light tap upside down on the knock box to get rid of the loose grinds, then pull the shot. This also has the benefit of keeping the group head that little bit cleaner as well.
That’s awesome advice. Thank you!
i also have the oracle, and i think the main problem is the fact that u cant change the dose amount. you actually cant get 18g, even if u lower the screw to the last thread.
@@thesoundman out of curiosity, what is the closest you've managed to get to 18g? I haven't bothered weighing my doses, after watching plenty of reviews including one by James Hoffman, I decided not to fiddle with the dose amount and simply use the grind setting to dial it in. I do feel like we go through a lot of beans though, so I suspect each dose is greater than 18g.
@@jimmybbeam ok, so here is what I found so far:
With the original basket, default settings, you will get like 22-24g!
If you lower the fan screw to as low as possible, you will get 20-21g.
Now, the sensor depends on the basket depth, so I found the 3bomber 15g basket, which is 2mm less deep than the original double basket. With this one you will get 18.5g-19.5g.
Now it’s a matter of what tamp force (in the menus) and grind level to be able to get 18-18.5g. It’s really difficult to keep consistent 18g because u need to dial in ur machine from time to time and for each type of beans. So I’m kinda “live” with it at around 19g which is way more than what Ive used when I had the Barista Touch (15g-16g, and very consistent!)
This video was nine out of 10 and then Laura stepped in and it took it straight to a 10 out of 10. Good job. Keep her in the videos.
Haha, that will make her day. She is still a bit nervous on camera.
Thank you. Fantastic review. Like you said there are hardly any if no reviews out there and we like your simple and practical approach. We also love our coffee. We've got the dual boiler and also a mini Nespresso which we take camping. I think you've convinced us to buy one. The auto adjustment of the grind has sold me the different milk settings. Now just to see how we can knock the price down using points and discount coupons.
Thank you for taking the time to make a video. It was great wnd confirms my next purchase. I do want to recommend you get fresher beans. Treat yourself. You have a 3k machine on hand 👌
I mean in hindsight it’s comment sense. Maybe when this box is finished we’ll treat ourselves
Nice review, fun and informative, nicely done
I have my eye on this machine as a replacement for my Capresso [Jura] 1000 which I bought for US$1,000 in 1997. That wonderful Capresso (about the same size as the Breville Oracle Jet) is still working almost as well as when it was new. We do have great water in Boulder, Colorado, plus I have a water filter at my sink. So the machine gets nice water with few minerals. But the 25 year old machine has never produced the quality of foam that I saw both of you make with the Breville. That is very impressive. I brewed coffee and steamed milk in a Jura Z10 (about US$3800) a month ago, and I was not impressed enough to think of spending that kind of money. Thank you both for the demonstration.
You read everyone’s mind. Thanks for making the first review!
My pleasure!
Thanks for a really good and down-to-earth review. Going to buy my first espresso machine shortly, have been trying to decide between the Jura E8 and Sage Barista variants and it has weighed more towards the Sage, as the cleaning feels cumbersome (and expensive) on the Jura variants.
Now I have opened my eyes to this model and even though it costs a little more initially, it feels very interesting and is currently at the top of the shopping list.
Thanks again, you have a new subscriber.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for the review. I’m looking to upgrade from a 13yr old Jura and you and Laura have helped me make my choice to this machine. Cheers 😊
Our pleasure!
You simply wasting coffee using the double basket and then press the single shot option on the machine. You should swap the basket to the integrated single or just buy another portafilter and put the single basket in. So that way both of you can use the favorite portafilter according to your favorite drink.
Thank you for this video mine comes on the 28th of August. This helped make the decision
Thanks for a great review in a real world context.
I have a Jura Z7 which is ancient now, and it does a fine job with the Aldi beans (I go for the Brazil usually just to be fancy). but bits of the Old Jura are starting to show wear & tear. It's getting noisier, the clear bean cover has cracked, and I've had to replace a leaking water tank. So thanks for showing this new machine to give me some idea of the new stuff out there.
awesome review, really considering this machine to replace my Breville Barista Express Impress. One thing to note i saw from another review was the underneath of the steam wand, around the temp sensor can get a little crusty with milk, be sure to double check that and clean it often, when wiping the milk off be sure to wipe under too not just around =D
Great tip! 😜
Loved your review! I have a quick question: if you are preparing 4-5 coffees, do you need to wait a long time between coffees, or is it straight away? It will usually just be 2 (wifey and me), but sometimes we'll have some family over and they ask for coffee, so we need to keep them happy... Thanks!
Hey - great video! And you're right - you're the first review. I'm going to order one, and return the Jura I got. I like the Jura - but the froth isn't that great (and for the money, it should be better than a Nespresso frother!). Thanks again!
Hope you enjoy it! My brother in law has just done the same thing.
Thanks for your review! Nice machine for two really nice people!
Thank you sir!
Great review! My partner and I currently have the Barista Touch, which we love - bought it new about 4 years ago, and not a single issue with it. We did purchase a Breville Smart Grinder Pro to always have 2 different beans available without a hassle. We keep the baseline Lavazza Super Crema in the machine, and the special beans (currently Jamaican Blue Mountain/Clifton Mount Estate Medium) in the Grinder Pro.
I'm curious what you would think about the Lavazza Super Crema bean...?
We have not tried the super crema. However i will add it to the list. A few people have made some awesome suggestions so far. Just a bit of a follow up. My jura z9 is back working. Side by side for the coffee they produce, the breville is in a different leage. The jura is an old machine. But even adjusting settings in the z9 i can not make a comparable coffee to what the breville is doing.
As far as supermarket beans go, Lazzio are pretty good. They are always winning awards in their category. My favourite supermarket bean is Vittoria Mountain Grown - heaps of chocolate flavour and always on special at half price $22 per kg at either Coles or Woolies. Nice review and nice machine!
Thank you! Yes, the beans have been ok…. Fine good… I’m sure there is better out there but they are great value and still look forward to having the morning coffee
A lot like the new Ninja Luxe that’s $500. I would like to see a taste test comparing the two. Curious about speciality beans in the Ninja vs Lavazza in the Breville.
yes, Breville needs to take some lessons from the Ninha Luxe and put it into their quality machines!
Excellent review! Keep up the good work! Mind to share where and how much you bought this machine for? Many thanks!
I really want to replace my Ascaso Steel Duo with this machine lol. I primarily want this so that my sister doesn't bug me in making her a latte every morning while I try to sleep. I want this so that my family can just touch three buttons and the coffee is done. I wonder if this machine provides the same results as the Ascaso. I have a separate 83mm flat burr I use for espresso hopefully I can achieve the same taste for the espresso with that tiny burr.
This just became available at my local Crate & Barrel, and I think I’ll save up for it. I was interested in the Barista Touch but the screen looked very dated, and this refresh + upgrade is just what I was looking for. Have you tried using the “cold brew” feature? Thank you for the entertaining and informative breakdown!
Yes I have. To be honest I didn’t think much of the cold brew feature. I used to drink a lot of iced coffee. With the jura I would just run the espresso shot straight over ice. This takes longer to dispense in cold brew, requires a grind adjustment. Cold coffee always tastes so different so maybe I need to have a few more to appreciate the cold brew profile. But right now, I wouldn’t lean on it as a selling point.
That said nearly a month in. I love this machine. I got my jura fixed this week up to check if my memory was scewed. This breville makes a much better late. Not even comparable.
I have the last model, I had problems with the brewing solenoid, first payd by the company (they knew about the problem), second one was on me, then the milk wand had some parts to be replaced , I think I spend like 200-250$ yearly work and maintenance / 6years total , still rocking , guess That's the price you pay for having a great machine .
Very fair opinion. Shame it’s had a few problems. But great to hear it’s still worth while.
@testandtune6096 I do the cleaning cycle every week (just water), I rinse for 5 seconds every brew and milk wand rinse as well after use . Now , you can buy the beans you like the most it's your money and machine but just be careful with supermarket beans on how quickly they release fat from the inside , you don't want that oily droplets inside that increible grinding mechanism. 🤙
Ps . I dont use tap water now too many minerals , creates a white build inside.
Hello,
Again, thanks for a great video.
What size (height) do you have on your latte mugs? As I understand it, do these reach the max height to be placed in the machine?
Great review, very useful. 👍
Glad it was helpful!
Nice review and wow she is stunning 🤩
Thank you 🤗
16:28 I think you’ll adjust to the knock box. I used to make a mess, but then I figured out you don’t really have to hit it that hard to knock them out.
You are spot on. Turns out you dont need to be so aggressive. Thank you
Clarkson would be proud
Haha
Thanks for the video, great review! I'm currently owning Jura Z10, but considering a change to something like Breville/Sage (in EU) or more advance prosumers coffee machine (preferably semi automatic). Have you considered Meraki Coffee Machine from Kickstarter? It's interesting project, but new company and product that makes me doubt.
I remember looking at it. I was concerned about longevity and issues with the kickstarter. Brevilles track record isn’t great. But at least I have some local support is any issues arrise
So you can brew and steam at the same time?
No. Not with this. It works as per the vid. You can cue up one task while another is going. Once one is finished it starts the next.
I have a Jura Z10 which is way more expensive and it’s still awful. I think the reason is that Jura like all full automatic machines has just a brewing pressure of 3bar.
Espresso is always bitter and bad extracted. The only thing which is great is the milk. Will change to Ninja or Sage as soon as it comes out here.
Just a bit of a follow up. My jura z9 is back working. Side by side with same bean, for the coffee they produce, the breville is in a different leage. The jura is an old machine. But even adjusting settings in the z9 i can not make a comparable coffee to what the breville is doing.
Great video. I’m waiting for this machine to be available in the US but I haven’t seen it anywhere yet. I do wonder though… don’t you have to select the shot size before you grind and also use the smaller basket for a single shot?
It is recommend to change to the smaller basket. Essentially it’s too much coffee in the basket for a smaller pour qty. but this works for us and saves swapping the basket
Williams & Sonoma have them for demo in the US. Just checked it out today. Trying to decide between Jura Z10, E8, and now this. 😂
Low key sponsored by Jeremy Clarkson. 😜
Hahahah brilliant! I’m glad someone noticed.
Is there any way I can get the black version that you have in the US?!?! I want to order but we only have stainless steel and white! Any thoughts?
I’m sorry I don’t know about that. Maybe an Aussie retailer can ship to the states?
Thanks for the video I have been after a review on these coffee machine. Tho they are out of our price range. I am however going to pick up an original Oracle next week. My youngest son has one and it’s amazing value for the $950 off Facebook marketplace for a certified referb machine. Ours is on order.
Like you I found the Oracle produces excellent shots. Actually much better than the Rocket Giotto we had about 17 years ago. Unreliable POS that was. It was the first of the Rocket branded Giotto’s. So the new ones might be better.
Try some beans from some local roasters there are some real gems.
I am picking up a DF54 grinder as a single dose grinder for those “special” beans or decafe and have our “daily” probably CoffeeSnobs Gold which will live in the grinder as our “we dont have a lot of time but need a coffee” beans.
Let me know what you think of the machine once it’s been in the house for a week or so.
Also that’s a great idea getting a seperate grinder for special beans! Thanks for the idea there.
@@testandtune6096yeah I will do. From the reviews I have seen there isn’t a lot of difference In taste between the DF54, DF64 and DF83 and unless you want to play around with the different burr sets the two bigger grinders probably aren’t worth it. We also have a small kitchen so it will probably be the DF54 for us. They are cheapest off eBay or Amazon. Tho some local shops have these range of grinders at reasonable prices.
Well we have proof of life on New Dave, where is old Dave?
Unfortunately old dave lives about 4 hours away now. So i dont get to see him very often.
What model is this? I cannot find black model at the store.
In Aus, we have 3 colour options. Black, silver and white but they have strange names.
Found it since the original question. Model is BES985BSS, alas it seems not to be widely available outside of AU.
Thanks!
Thank you for the tip! I think I better try some better beans!
Hey guys. Great video. But what's with the Diddly Squat milk bottle ??
Its a great milk container and i think its important to support small upcomming creators like Jeremy Clarkson.
Will it allow you to steam the milk while you brew the shot
Not at the same time. You can que the next function while working on one.
Sorry which dollar are you stating aussie dollars or US dollars? Great vid
Aussie
Can you have the Jet grind but not tamp? I like the speed and less hassle for the wife, but I would like more hands on to play around with
I don’t believe so.
how fast can you make a cofee
2-3 mins. Including wipe down and cleaing.
I'd have bought this in a heartbeat if it wasn't so damn high. Too tall to fit under my kitchen cabinet. 🙃
Special milk = Cow Juice 😂
Is that your daughter?
haha ohhh man im getting old really quickly. Laura is not my daughter.
@@testandtune6096 All good, let me know if she has a sister 😆
It was all good until you brought your “partner”