I agree that Owl is probably stronger than Genichiro but there is no way that Owl actually took down Genichiro in battle, he doesn't take fights he doesn't have to and I 100% believe that Owl pulled a sneaky on Genichiro like he did with wolf
This is too assumption based. I think Genichiro definitely gets downplayed by the fanbase but the fact is, Owl killed Genichiro. If it was that simple, why didn't Owl do a sneaky backstab on Isshin? Because Owl is simply more capable than Genichiro.
@@okami7847its also too assumption based to think he actually won a fight with genichiro. He backstabs sekiro so why wouldn’t he do the same to genichiro. And perhaps cuz he could not sneak up on isshin the sword saint
@@munizbros999 There are no assumptions on my part, Owl killed Genichiro, that is a fact. Using your logic isn't favorable to Genichiro; Owl doesn't sneak up on Isshin & failed to backstab Wolf in present time, two characters stronger than him. Yet is successful against Genichiro, why is that?
There's only a few Shinobi, Emma for sure isn't one of them. The Shinobi names are animal themed, Wolf/Owl/Butterfly/Orangutan/Kingfisher. Isshin, his lineage and his disciples are all Samurai. Not Shinobi.
Couldn't have more perfect timing. Getting lunch right now and I got a gem to watch as I eat. This series is amazing love seeing it. Keep up the work king.
A slight error: sword Saint Isshin doesn’t exactly use the way of tomoe like genichiro. If you look very closely at his lightning attacks, he doesn’t summon light ing on his spear, he actually catches it from the thunderstorm and redirects it at you. So in my opinion he’s even more powerful than we think because he doesn’t need to use heretical arts to create his own lightning, he’s just so good he can use a literal storm as a weapon against Sekiro.
Idk haha it's not like Sekiro is more powerful because he can catch the lightning in the dragon fight, he just knows where it is so he jumps into it. Don't think that specific point really holds water
I'm pretty sure Isshin does not adopt the power of tomoe, because when he does the lighning strikes, he catches the lightning coming down from the sky, he does not generate it like genichiro This wouldn't really change the ranking, it's just an observation regarding your analysis
Genichiro had to take lessons under Tomoe to learn the "heretical" art of summoning lightning. Isshin just flexs and catches it because hes built different
@@tpearce713 The exact same happened when Genichiro got into his third phase and, during the cutscene, a lightning striked his katana right before fighting us. Presumably, the same happens when Isshin gets into his third phase, the rain and the thunderstorm started, he jumped and the lighting striked his spear during his lightning attack on us
@@ElderHickory958 in the cutscene, Genichiro is standing on the ground when the lightning hits his blade, so he's definitely doing more than just reversals, but I think every time Isshin interacts with the lightning he does it in the air. Maybe the storm itself is related to the lightning of Tomoe, whether Isshin summoned it or Genichiro started to while Sekiro was fighting him, but the actual lightning attacks that Isshin does seem the same as Sekiro's lightning reversal. Dunno, but from a lore standpoint I guess it could go either way. Either Isshin inherited some of Genichiro's powers when he was reborn or Isshin is just badass enough that he can casually harness natural lightning in his attacks
another amazing video but a quick correction, Shinobi is a very specific type of person, a ninja, and characters like Emma and Gyobu are definitely not Shinobi, neither is Tomoe, they would more likely fall under the Samurai umbrella (i hate being the glasses emoji guy but thought i'd mention it anyway 🤧)
Thanks for the insight! It makes a lot of sense, I presume the “shinobi execution” title after we defeat emma etc refers more so to us, as a shinobi, executing her!
@@BestiaryYTif you want more insights into the JP side of things, I can’t recommend Shetani’s Lair channel enough. She goes into great depth and detail about the original language vs the English version as well as giving some backstory to help understand the world better.
Doesn't matter. I hate to talk about seven deadly sins. But Ban is/was literally immortal and unkillable, yet people like Escanor and Gunther rank way higher than him
Quick note- Isshin sword saint does not have the way of tomawae, he actually catches the lightning that is already falling on his spear, and throws it at you. If you look at the fight you can actually see him doing it.
where did all these bloodborne fans come from there was not this many like a year ago lol and it’s already confirmed sony owns the rights to it and refuses to do anything with bloodborne and sekiro definitely deserves a sequel more
I think you tried to explain this in Isshin Ashina's entry but it's not really clear: Exactly like Sekiro to Kuro, Tomoe was sworn to the Divine Heir (meaning she was the protector of Takeru) and my theory is that this implies that she was also immortal but died with Takeru because she failed to help him severing the Dragon's Heritage. All details considered, she is probably related to the Dragon Rot epidemic that happened long ago (Dialogue unlocked with Emma after finding the cure to Dragon Rot). And I'm pretty sure this Dragon Rot epidemic is related to Isshin because it's stated by Isshin himself in a Sake dialogue that they once fought and she was the closest person to ever kill Isshin. Yet, she still lost. So if she was immortal due to the Dragon Heir's blood but still lost, she must have died SO MUCH she gave up. And dying that much would be the reason for the Dragon Rot's epidemic
I loved this video, but i think i disagree with how Genichiro and Owl were ranked above present day Isshin. As far as Owl goes, i can't say for certain whether he would rank higher or not and don't have too clear of an opinion, the best we have to go off of is how he says "few could have hoped to defeat him" of Isshin, even in his weakened state. This doesn't tell us whether he considers himself as one of those few or not. However with Genichiro, i am more strongly convinced that he was in fact lesser to Isshin despite his illness and old age. The ministry only sends spies to Ashina so long as Isshin is alive, however weakened he may be, and they begin their siege when *and only* when he has succumbed to said Illness; despite Genichiro still being very much alive, and having gained more strength than ever, with Tomoe's lighting and the black mortal blade. The whole point of Genichiro's tragedy is that no matter how much he sacrificed and how hard he tried, he simply wasn't strong enough to save Ashina: which is why he resorts to using the black mortal blade and killing himself to bring Isshin back, as he himself could not compare to him, and was unable to stand against the forces of the interior ministry once Isshin had fallen. Of course this is all based on my interpretation of the story, and i'm just sharing my opinion, nothing against yours! As i said i really enjoyed the video, keep up the good work ❤
Present Day Iishin. I think theres more wrong with him than old age. When hes revived to his former glory you can see a seppuku scar on his stomach. He either got this in the afterlife or when he was alive. We're going to assume he got this when he was alive. Now ive got a whole theory about why that scar is there and that that was the reason for the Ashina rebellion in the first place. (Because may have been ordered to commit seppuku but no one honorably killed him but chopping his head) But if he tried to commit seppuku and no one killed him after words that means hes been living with that Seppuku damage done to him for years. And in his old age I think having a wound like that is having horrible effects on his body. So in my head someone the same age as him like Owl would be stronger than him (just barely) with his high agility and devastating physical strength. And someone Young like Genichiro who can hop around everywhere, has every hax in the story, and has THREE life bars is definitely gonna be stronger than an almost dead Iishin. Through Iishins final boss fight in the main story you can tell just how sick he was the day before based off of the difference in how they move. Iishin fights like a truck. Always fucking running and jumping with his spear sword and gun. His Old self is just nowhere near that anymore. He cant even really run. He even coughs mid battle. (Instant death fighting against Owl) But this is if my Theory that Iishin committed Seppuku is true. Also if its true and he did the Rebellion for this reason. Then when Sekiro cuts his Seppuku scar to end the final boss fight he actually completes the ritual by finally chopping his head giving him an honorable warriors death. (Something he does now do in the shura ending)
I never thought of the story between Owl and Sekiro that way. That is so beautifully tragic. Amazing video. My favorite one so far. As far as what's next, I would prefer Demon's Souls instead of Lies Of P
Well, i don't think Owl would have turned into Shura, because he did want to rule Japan with Sekiro by his side. I think he quickly left, because he wanted to take the Mortal Blade from Genichiro so they don't have a chance at killing Sekiro.
he makes you do the dirty work because he can't beat isshin, even a sick version. he can, however, beat a heavily wounded and weakened genichiro. here's why I think owl is not that good at fighting. 1. He is one of the only bosses that you can hit without an opening. If you just randomly attack at certain periods, even if he's ready to parry, you'll land a hit, he's the only boss that doesn't 100% parry. 2. Otherwise he wouldn't ask sekiro for help. It is pretty heavily implied that he would have betrayed sekiro at some point, and that he was only using him as a tool. it would be better to let sekiro just do his job and leave ashina, and take the kingdom for himself. 3. He's a shinobi. He can't do head-on fights. Sekiro is sort of an exception in that way. At the start, when he's full shinobi, he loses to genichiro. He has to learn to get better to win.
@@fyrewolf7805it is implied that Sekiro was also extremely rusty at the start of the game as he was fumbling for his sword before facing Genichiro, likely not having fought or trained for 3 years after the events of the Hirate Estate
@@AlexT7916 yes, that's true. but owl wasnt in a well for three years, he was scheming. after all, he faked his death, backstabbed sekiro, and went on his merry way
I really enjoy these videos and there are a few things that I think could make them even better: I feel like sometimes there is a lot of redundancy for entries which is understandable as its probably pretty hard to pad out some of the information, but it can get pretty irritating if the redundant info is also relevant for another entry, causing it to be repeated 4 times or even more across the video. Another pedantic note: dialectic describes the process of pitting thesis and antithesis against each other, it can't be true or false. Hope this is only taken as constructive feedback, I really love your vids.
Great videos, even if I don't agree with every placement (the ape so low, inner father above isshin), it is well-thought and very entertaining to watch. As for suggestions: maybe now its the time for Nioh 1 and 2?
Another banger, congrats! Definitely go for Demon Souls first. That way, you will finish all souls titles before the whole Elden Ring experience (main game + DLC). After that, and in the wait for SOTE, you can go for Lies of P, Cuphead, Hollow Knight... The possibilities are almost endless.
@@mtstomack7053that’s beside the point that this person is making and that point is to familiarize yourself with the souls game and those games won’t help at all
@@loiceklund6624 no. There are only so many good souls-likes that match the requirements here. Bestiary should go for quality games like the above mentioned hollow knight rather than something like Wo Long. The games have to contain both variants of the eerie-mysterious, rich atmosphere and the according lore grandeur though. This is why hollow knight would be a perfect fit (part two coming out soon??), while the above mentioned cuphead would be a disaster because of its comedic ridiculousness and lore irrelevance (its basically a cartoon, everyone can do anything) which doesnt fit at all with bestiarys style and quality standard in my opinion. Maybe he will even branch to something like the Witcher. Baldurs Gate 3 would be cool too, though the cinematic presentation could be hard. Not quite the same vibe and atmosphere as the Fromsoft series with this games, but the lore is incredible, maybe too much though (Books etc). The hidden lore is another factor which plays into the atmosphere, but very few games have that. Again, hollow knight would be a perfect fit :D
Just thought I’d share. If you are having trouble getting that second death blow on the true corrupted monk from above in the tree. The trick is once you get the first deathblow, let her jump away before you sling up to the tree. Get up there and look down and you’ll see the red dot.
this ranking was really great and well written but im not sure i agree with the placement of the last 3 or even old isshin under genichiro/owl. personally id rank them isshin ss divine dragon inner owl because while the divine dragon's influence may be the strongest and its amount of overall power might be higher, in a 1 on 1 fight i think isshin would be able to win against the divine dragon as sekiro has without much trouble. isshin ss has the power of both tomoe's lightning AND the black mortal blade both of which we used in our fight against the divine dragon. as well as isshin having the power of the rejuvenating waters or some level of immortality given from genichiro or the black blade considering we had to kill him with the mortal blade. I do agree inner owl is insanely powerful and the fight against him in our mind is the fight against who he is to sekiro, and while that is definitely very intense, nothing suggest it is sekiro's hardest fight. isshin is simply THAT GUY, the very strongest swordsman the world has ever seen, powerful enough to retake ashina himself, armed with a mortal blade, immortality, and the full mastery of the lightning of tomoe, once his equal, blended into the perfect ashina style. isshin ss, and inner isshin, represent the absolute pinnacle of all power possible summoned as a last ditch effort to win at all costs. also he appears at the very end of the true gauntlet of strength i think that says something more than owl.
You know what's funny? Dying in the last Genichiro bossfight and SS Isshin shouldn't grant you a ressurection, neither returning to a checkpoint because they're both wielding one of the only 2 things in the world that can kill Sekiro other than themselves and the infested beings in the game
The lack of rezzes would be cool if it happened like taking down standard immortal enemies, I.e. knocking the foe out and then stabbing them to make sure they stay dead (think the mummified monks at the temple). If you wait for them to reposition instead of respawning immediately, SHANK, back to the checkpoint with you. Screwing with the checkpoints however would be realism taken too far however because A: the logic of those idols is convoluted (resting brings the soldiers back too? Or are these new recruits? Please explain.), and 2: having the final boss BRICK YOUR SAVE if you can’t beat it first try would require fromsoft to nerf it dramatically. Granted, the final boss of demon’s souls was cake, but that was for story reasons, not permadeath.
You already know why i'm here.... right when im about to eat too....now we wait for Elden Ring and Dear god Demon souls too. Honestly if Demon souls came next that would be amazing.
I love these videos, I'd love to see a demon souls ranking, and remnant from the ashes, and remnant 2, if you haven't played those yet, I highly recommend them, they are both fantastic, really does souls with guns really well, and still manages to keep it's own identity, also I think it would be best to do elden ring after the DLC comes out
Once ur done with bosses, maybe you can do npcs? I'd love a ranking discussing the strength of siegward or yuria for example, based on their accomplishments.
Now all you have to do is rank the Elden ring DLC bosses by lore, then combine all these vids into one vid so we can see who is the strongest FromSoftware character by lore. (My money’s on The Moon Presence)
@ahmadadnan4773leaning away from Gael, not 100% on Elden Beast lore, but from what I know, Moon Presence can exist on multiple planes so even if it gets killed physically, it can survive on another plane and has proven it can influence others to act on its will such as Gerhman and the PC AND only being with the same level of insight can even stand against it. Gael’s strong asf, but with his hollowing I don’t think he has the insight needed to stand against the Moon Presence. In a one on one fight, I reckon the Moon Presence would just dominate Gael’s mind without much issue, hollows aren’t exactly mentally with it. Physical power is one thing that Gael excels at, but Moon Presence has a whole other magnitude of it. The Elden Beast seems a great deal more powerful, but it’s also an extension of the Greater Will, not on par with the Greater Will itself. I think the Elden Beast is powerful asf, but I don’t think it can even crack the Great Ones of Bloodborne. Honestly, I reckon the Moon Presence would just ask the Elden Beast to put its daddy on the phone 😂
@ahmadadnan4773 exactly my point, one of the reasons the Great Ones all ranked so high was because even if their physical bodies were destroyed, they’d still exist in any number of other planes of existence. How can a character be more powerful than one if they can’t even kill it? Even if a Great One fails to kill Gael, they could easily seduce another mortal, like the chosen undead, bearer of the curse, ashen one, paleblood hunter or the tarnished. Also, you can only stand up to the Moon Presence after ascending to a level on par with it by consuming three third umbilical chords. If you don’t, you don’t even get a chance to fight. Side note, Kos actually washed up already dead due to a miscarriage, fishermen just worshipped her corpse until Master Willem was like “Oooooooooooh fresh god corpse” 😂
@ahmadadnan4773 that’s the thing tho, I don’t think Gael COULD stand up to the Moon Presence’s powers. Gael was STRONG as hell and I think he’s definitely capable of cutting the Moon Presence into calamari, but the Palemoon Hunter could have killed Ebrites, Orphan of Kos, Mergot’s Wet Nurse, Amygdala, every Great One in the game, but if they haven’t chowed down on enough umbilical chords when they wanted a snack, they couldn’t even lift a finger against the MP. All things considered, the PC in bloodborne is still relatively sane. Gael? After hundreds, possibly thousands of years of constant searching, killing and blood drinking, he’s far from sane. Just the type of people Great Ones can play with easily. Gael could probably annihilate MP in a straight fight. But I don’t think he could even raise his sword against MP, he’d just end up being a pawn.
What makes this game so easy to scale is the fighting style is so close to canon and theres no real power jumps besides getting mortal blades and you can even make characters fight eachother and they work the same as wolf
I’ve binged all these “strongest based on lore” videos you’ve done. It’s some of my fav content I’ve seen on UA-cam recently. Bravo!
Amen brotha!
I agree that Owl is probably stronger than Genichiro but there is no way that Owl actually took down Genichiro in battle, he doesn't take fights he doesn't have to and I 100% believe that Owl pulled a sneaky on Genichiro like he did with wolf
I thought exactly that, Owl most likely snuck up on Genichiro so i wouldn't take this as an actual feat.
This is too assumption based. I think Genichiro definitely gets downplayed by the fanbase but the fact is, Owl killed Genichiro. If it was that simple, why didn't Owl do a sneaky backstab on Isshin? Because Owl is simply more capable than Genichiro.
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I disagree. I believe it is a feat.
@@okami7847its also too assumption based to think he actually won a fight with genichiro. He backstabs sekiro so why wouldn’t he do the same to genichiro. And perhaps cuz he could not sneak up on isshin the sword saint
@@munizbros999 There are no assumptions on my part, Owl killed Genichiro, that is a fact. Using your logic isn't favorable to Genichiro; Owl doesn't sneak up on Isshin & failed to backstab Wolf in present time, two characters stronger than him. Yet is successful against Genichiro, why is that?
There's only a few Shinobi, Emma for sure isn't one of them. The Shinobi names are animal themed, Wolf/Owl/Butterfly/Orangutan/Kingfisher. Isshin, his lineage and his disciples are all Samurai. Not Shinobi.
Thank you! That's what I'm saying!
Yeah, I was certain I wasn't the only one who got bothered by it
Stop trying to complicate it, I vote the dude wielding a sword, a 30 foot long spear, and a Glock simultaneously
What about the literal god that flings building size slashes at you?
Couldn't have more perfect timing. Getting lunch right now and I got a gem to watch as I eat. This series is amazing love seeing it. Keep up the work king.
It's the little things in life
Blazing bull number 1 LETS GOOO!!!
mist noble not being number 1 is a disgrace
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@@raiden3013these are the memorable notions.
Was sure it’d be mist noble
A slight error: sword Saint Isshin doesn’t exactly use the way of tomoe like genichiro. If you look very closely at his lightning attacks, he doesn’t summon light ing on his spear, he actually catches it from the thunderstorm and redirects it at you. So in my opinion he’s even more powerful than we think because he doesn’t need to use heretical arts to create his own lightning, he’s just so good he can use a literal storm as a weapon against Sekiro.
He is the storm that is approaching 😂
Idk haha it's not like Sekiro is more powerful because he can catch the lightning in the dragon fight, he just knows where it is so he jumps into it. Don't think that specific point really holds water
Both the script and the vocal execution are stellar. They increase my enjoyment of the video ten fold!
I'm pretty sure Isshin does not adopt the power of tomoe, because when he does the lighning strikes, he catches the lightning coming down from the sky, he does not generate it like genichiro
This wouldn't really change the ranking, it's just an observation regarding your analysis
It just makes him more badass tbh
If anything that cements his ranking on the list even further
Genichiro had to take lessons under Tomoe to learn the "heretical" art of summoning lightning. Isshin just flexs and catches it because hes built different
current isshin also redirects shura flames so it makes sense if he is just able to redirect other elements of nature
Isshin be like "casuals" lol @@the_van_kid
Your analysis of Inner Owl is amazing and my favorite piece of content on this game - wonderful job.
I don't think Isshin is using lightning of Tomoe, he's just doing lightning reversals on the thunderbolts from the storm
So the thunderstorm he generated by himself is trying to kill him?
@@ElderHickory958 what makes you think that Isshin generates the storm?
@@tpearce713 The exact same happened when Genichiro got into his third phase and, during the cutscene, a lightning striked his katana right before fighting us. Presumably, the same happens when Isshin gets into his third phase, the rain and the thunderstorm started, he jumped and the lighting striked his spear during his lightning attack on us
@@ElderHickory958 in the cutscene, Genichiro is standing on the ground when the lightning hits his blade, so he's definitely doing more than just reversals, but I think every time Isshin interacts with the lightning he does it in the air. Maybe the storm itself is related to the lightning of Tomoe, whether Isshin summoned it or Genichiro started to while Sekiro was fighting him, but the actual lightning attacks that Isshin does seem the same as Sekiro's lightning reversal.
Dunno, but from a lore standpoint I guess it could go either way. Either Isshin inherited some of Genichiro's powers when he was reborn or Isshin is just badass enough that he can casually harness natural lightning in his attacks
@@tpearce713 Exactly. But we still can't know
I hope this video blows up! The quality was off the charts! Keep up the great work
another amazing video but a quick correction, Shinobi is a very specific type of person, a ninja, and characters like Emma and Gyobu are definitely not Shinobi, neither is Tomoe, they would more likely fall under the Samurai umbrella (i hate being the glasses emoji guy but thought i'd mention it anyway 🤧)
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Thanks for the insight! It makes a lot of sense, I presume the “shinobi execution” title after we defeat emma etc refers more so to us, as a shinobi, executing her!
@@BestiaryYTthe game, in English at least, has an almost comedic obsession with specifying that everything a Shinobi does will have a "shinobi" prefix
yea and it was tamura which he was confused with tamaru
@@BestiaryYTif you want more insights into the JP side of things, I can’t recommend Shetani’s Lair channel enough. She goes into great depth and detail about the original language vs the English version as well as giving some backstory to help understand the world better.
Headless ape would be literally unkillable for the majority of the things you ranked higher than it lol
Doesn't matter. I hate to talk about seven deadly sins. But Ban is/was literally immortal and unkillable, yet people like Escanor and Gunther rank way higher than him
@@thomaslikescars yeah he wouldn’t beat owl or ishin but Emma is literally hopeless lol
They could probably eat it/dismember it before it could really do much
@@TrueNamelessOne if dismembering worked it would be killable without the mortal blade
@@Snagavitch I mean if you break it's bones it will still be alive just in incredible pain
I'v really liked these ranking bosses based on lore videos and have learned so much about the lore as well as the bosses.
1:21 16. Folding Screen Monkeys
3:14 15. Guardian Ape
7:50 14. Corrupted Monk
11:19 13. Emma, the Gentle Blade
17:07 12. True Corrupted Monk
19:02 11. Gyoubu Oniwa
22:56 10. Lady Butterfly
20:00 9. Demon of Hatred
37:18 8. Isshin Ashina
44:29 7. Genichiro, Way of Tomoe
53:06 6. Great Shinobi Owl
58:15 5. Owl (Father)
1:00:44 4. Inner Genichiro
1:04:09 3. Isshin, the Sword Saint
1:09:35 2. Inner Father
1:15:41 1. Divine Dragon
Quick note- Isshin sword saint does not have the way of tomawae, he actually catches the lightning that is already falling on his spear, and throws it at you. If you look at the fight you can actually see him doing it.
I need Sekiro 2 more than any other sequel.
Ghosts of Tsushima’s mc is adult Kuro anyway. Just look at that hat!
Nah bloodborne remake please
@@llllllllIlllIlIlsorry, you want a remake over a sequel? Lol piss off
Fromsoft give me a bloodborne sequel 😢
where did all these bloodborne fans come from there was not this many like a year ago lol and it’s already confirmed sony owns the rights to it and refuses to do anything with bloodborne and sekiro definitely deserves a sequel more
I think you tried to explain this in Isshin Ashina's entry but it's not really clear:
Exactly like Sekiro to Kuro, Tomoe was sworn to the Divine Heir (meaning she was the protector of Takeru) and my theory is that this implies that she was also immortal but died with Takeru because she failed to help him severing the Dragon's Heritage. All details considered, she is probably related to the Dragon Rot epidemic that happened long ago (Dialogue unlocked with Emma after finding the cure to Dragon Rot).
And I'm pretty sure this Dragon Rot epidemic is related to Isshin because it's stated by Isshin himself in a Sake dialogue that they once fought and she was the closest person to ever kill Isshin. Yet, she still lost. So if she was immortal due to the Dragon Heir's blood but still lost, she must have died SO MUCH she gave up. And dying that much would be the reason for the Dragon Rot's epidemic
I loved this video, but i think i disagree with how Genichiro and Owl were ranked above present day Isshin.
As far as Owl goes, i can't say for certain whether he would rank higher or not and don't have too clear of an opinion, the best we have to go off of is how he says "few could have hoped to defeat him" of Isshin, even in his weakened state. This doesn't tell us whether he considers himself as one of those few or not.
However with Genichiro, i am more strongly convinced that he was in fact lesser to Isshin despite his illness and old age. The ministry only sends spies to Ashina so long as Isshin is alive, however weakened he may be, and they begin their siege when *and only* when he has succumbed to said Illness; despite Genichiro still being very much alive, and having gained more strength than ever, with Tomoe's lighting and the black mortal blade. The whole point of Genichiro's tragedy is that no matter how much he sacrificed and how hard he tried, he simply wasn't strong enough to save Ashina: which is why he resorts to using the black mortal blade and killing himself to bring Isshin back, as he himself could not compare to him, and was unable to stand against the forces of the interior ministry once Isshin had fallen.
Of course this is all based on my interpretation of the story, and i'm just sharing my opinion, nothing against yours! As i said i really enjoyed the video, keep up the good work ❤
Present Day Iishin. I think theres more wrong with him than old age. When hes revived to his former glory you can see a seppuku scar on his stomach. He either got this in the afterlife or when he was alive. We're going to assume he got this when he was alive. Now ive got a whole theory about why that scar is there and that that was the reason for the Ashina rebellion in the first place. (Because may have been ordered to commit seppuku but no one honorably killed him but chopping his head) But if he tried to commit seppuku and no one killed him after words that means hes been living with that Seppuku damage done to him for years. And in his old age I think having a wound like that is having horrible effects on his body.
So in my head someone the same age as him like Owl would be stronger than him (just barely) with his high agility and devastating physical strength.
And someone Young like Genichiro who can hop around everywhere, has every hax in the story, and has THREE life bars is definitely gonna be stronger than an almost dead Iishin.
Through Iishins final boss fight in the main story you can tell just how sick he was the day before based off of the difference in how they move. Iishin fights like a truck. Always fucking running and jumping with his spear sword and gun. His Old self is just nowhere near that anymore. He cant even really run. He even coughs mid battle. (Instant death fighting against Owl)
But this is if my Theory that Iishin committed Seppuku is true. Also if its true and he did the Rebellion for this reason. Then when Sekiro cuts his Seppuku scar to end the final boss fight he actually completes the ritual by finally chopping his head giving him an honorable warriors death. (Something he does now do in the shura ending)
Gosh man. Keep it up please. I love long form content I can vibe with and your research speaks for itself.
Gonna be sad when this series ends
This is just youtube masterclass. Another certified banger!
I never thought of the story between Owl and Sekiro that way. That is so beautifully tragic. Amazing video. My favorite one so far.
As far as what's next, I would prefer Demon's Souls instead of Lies Of P
I've been waiting for the video on this game :D
I enjoy all of your lore Videos, thank you. Must be a lot of work to find all this Informations
Took me 2 weeks, from the moment I downloaded the game until the platinum. But, well, few of these info I really didn't know
Hell yeah! More strongest ranked on lore content!!! Absolutely love this series
Love the amount of lore you give in these videos.🤘
Hey this great stuff, I look forward to seeing more, and I hope you find success on UA-cam!
I love these kinds of videos. Thank you so much!
Love your videos man they genuinely make my day better
Absolutely love this shit. I get as excited when I see these video notifications as I do when VaatiVidya drops
What if Owl gets you to handle some of the dirty work because he wants to avoid becoming Shura?
Well, i don't think Owl would have turned into Shura, because he did want to rule Japan with Sekiro by his side. I think he quickly left, because he wanted to take the Mortal Blade from Genichiro so they don't have a chance at killing Sekiro.
he makes you do the dirty work because he can't beat isshin, even a sick version. he can, however, beat a heavily wounded and weakened genichiro. here's why I think owl is not that good at fighting.
1. He is one of the only bosses that you can hit without an opening. If you just randomly attack at certain periods, even if he's ready to parry, you'll land a hit, he's the only boss that doesn't 100% parry.
2. Otherwise he wouldn't ask sekiro for help. It is pretty heavily implied that he would have betrayed sekiro at some point, and that he was only using him as a tool. it would be better to let sekiro just do his job and leave ashina, and take the kingdom for himself.
3. He's a shinobi. He can't do head-on fights. Sekiro is sort of an exception in that way. At the start, when he's full shinobi, he loses to genichiro. He has to learn to get better to win.
@@fyrewolf7805it is implied that Sekiro was also extremely rusty at the start of the game as he was fumbling for his sword before facing Genichiro, likely not having fought or trained for 3 years after the events of the Hirate Estate
@@AlexT7916 yes, that's true. but owl wasnt in a well for three years, he was scheming. after all, he faked his death, backstabbed sekiro, and went on his merry way
The way he let himself get killed by wolf, shura was definitely not something owl was aware of
Are you going to consider branching out into other games for this series after you get through the FromSoft games? I really hope so!
Finally! It's been a long time coming.
I got the platinum for Sekiro recently man
This game is such a special video game for me & so many others. I loved it so much.
Great series and video!!! Expecting one for "shadow of the erdtree"!!!😊😊😊😊
I really enjoy these videos and there are a few things that I think could make them even better: I feel like sometimes there is a lot of redundancy for entries which is understandable as its probably pretty hard to pad out some of the information, but it can get pretty irritating if the redundant info is also relevant for another entry, causing it to be repeated 4 times or even more across the video. Another pedantic note: dialectic describes the process of pitting thesis and antithesis against each other, it can't be true or false. Hope this is only taken as constructive feedback, I really love your vids.
Thanks for all the time you put into these videos I enjoyed all 4 I've qatched
Thought I'd listen along whilst i got some work done, but it's too interesting, i shall return later to finnish watching ❤
Now we wait for the Elden Ring DLC
And I’ll keep waiting for Sekiro DLC…
@@zonk834 Its been five years. I dont believe it is coming.
@@Justchillingitseemswell it did get boss rush free DLC 3 years after release
@@AlexT7916 That was one time. I've lost all hope.
@@Justchillingitseems one is still more than zero
Another masterpiece. And now that you're Elden Ring video is posted, I can finally watch that too.
Amazing content, so underrated, keep up the amazing work
One of fromsofts best games. So many good memories playing this one again and again!
Just found ur channel its so cool, i love this type of videos
Great videos, even if I don't agree with every placement (the ape so low, inner father above isshin), it is well-thought and very entertaining to watch. As for suggestions: maybe now its the time for Nioh 1 and 2?
The moonlight butterfly ost during the lady butterfly segment was peak editing !
Great video, as always!
Another banger, congrats!
Definitely go for Demon Souls first. That way, you will finish all souls titles before the whole Elden Ring experience (main game + DLC).
After that, and in the wait for SOTE, you can go for Lies of P, Cuphead, Hollow Knight... The possibilities are almost endless.
Cup head and hollow knight aren’t souls likes pal
@@loiceklund6624 that doesn’t necessarily matter, still great games with amazing boss line ups that would be cool in this format
@@mtstomack7053that’s beside the point that this person is making and that point is to familiarize yourself with the souls game and those games won’t help at all
@@loiceklund6624 no. There are only so many good souls-likes that match the requirements here. Bestiary should go for quality games like the above mentioned hollow knight rather than something like Wo Long. The games have to contain both variants of the eerie-mysterious, rich atmosphere and the according lore grandeur though. This is why hollow knight would be a perfect fit (part two coming out soon??), while the above mentioned cuphead would be a disaster because of its comedic ridiculousness and lore irrelevance (its basically a cartoon, everyone can do anything) which doesnt fit at all with bestiarys style and quality standard in my opinion. Maybe he will even branch to something like the Witcher. Baldurs Gate 3 would be cool too, though the cinematic presentation could be hard. Not quite the same vibe and atmosphere as the Fromsoft series with this games, but the lore is incredible, maybe too much though (Books etc). The hidden lore is another factor which plays into the atmosphere, but very few games have that. Again, hollow knight would be a perfect fit :D
Love these videos! Keep it up!
love the video, sekiro has always been my favorite fromsoft game
The GOAT is back! Thank you so much @TheBestiary
You just somehow made me love the game even more. Wonderful 1.5h of lore, thank you!
Inner father over isshin in his prime who is basically sword god who single handedly was stopping the end of ashina is insane.
Just thought I’d share. If you are having trouble getting that second death blow on the true corrupted monk from above in the tree. The trick is once you get the first deathblow, let her jump away before you sling up to the tree. Get up there and look down and you’ll see the red dot.
this ranking was really great and well written but im not sure i agree with the placement of the last 3 or even old isshin under genichiro/owl.
personally id rank them
isshin ss
divine dragon
inner owl
because while the divine dragon's influence may be the strongest and its amount of overall power might be higher, in a 1 on 1 fight i think isshin would be able to win against the divine dragon as sekiro has without much trouble. isshin ss has the power of both tomoe's lightning AND the black mortal blade both of which we used in our fight against the divine dragon. as well as isshin having the power of the rejuvenating waters or some level of immortality given from genichiro or the black blade considering we had to kill him with the mortal blade.
I do agree inner owl is insanely powerful and the fight against him in our mind is the fight against who he is to sekiro, and while that is definitely very intense, nothing suggest it is sekiro's hardest fight. isshin is simply THAT GUY, the very strongest swordsman the world has ever seen, powerful enough to retake ashina himself, armed with a mortal blade, immortality, and the full mastery of the lightning of tomoe, once his equal, blended into the perfect ashina style. isshin ss, and inner isshin, represent the absolute pinnacle of all power possible summoned as a last ditch effort to win at all costs. also he appears at the very end of the true gauntlet of strength i think that says something more than owl.
Isshin does NOT have the power of Tomoe.
And only the Red Mortal Blade can be used to finish the dragon. The black one is unable to hurt the dragon.
I think kingfisher scales above the guardian ape strength wise, the apes immortality was what killed an unprepared kingfisher. 7:19
You know what's funny? Dying in the last Genichiro bossfight and SS Isshin shouldn't grant you a ressurection, neither returning to a checkpoint because they're both wielding one of the only 2 things in the world that can kill Sekiro other than themselves and the infested beings in the game
The lack of rezzes would be cool if it happened like taking down standard immortal enemies, I.e. knocking the foe out and then stabbing them to make sure they stay dead (think the mummified monks at the temple). If you wait for them to reposition instead of respawning immediately, SHANK, back to the checkpoint with you. Screwing with the checkpoints however would be realism taken too far however because A: the logic of those idols is convoluted (resting brings the soldiers back too? Or are these new recruits? Please explain.), and 2: having the final boss BRICK YOUR SAVE if you can’t beat it first try would require fromsoft to nerf it dramatically. Granted, the final boss of demon’s souls was cake, but that was for story reasons, not permadeath.
You already know why i'm here.... right when im about to eat too....now we wait for Elden Ring and Dear god Demon souls too. Honestly if Demon souls came next that would be amazing.
No reason to do an elden ring one before the DLC
Yeah he should do demon souls next, especially because he said he will do the Elden Ring video after the dlc drops
Thanks for the video good luck with the channel
Another great video!
I want a sequel so stuff like Shura can be explored more
Forging Material conditions, dialectics, I like your analysis
Putting Mist Noble at nr1 is a bold take, but I respect it
New video, algorithm good.
I will never forgive fromsoft for not giving us a tomoe dlc
honestly im gona try to binge through all of these as they are interesting
I love these videos, I'd love to see a demon souls ranking, and remnant from the ashes, and remnant 2, if you haven't played those yet, I highly recommend them, they are both fantastic, really does souls with guns really well, and still manages to keep it's own identity, also I think it would be best to do elden ring after the DLC comes out
The Bestiary: We can rank bosses.
Me: The hardest one is the one I am stuck on.
Once ur done with bosses, maybe you can do npcs? I'd love a ranking discussing the strength of siegward or yuria for example, based on their accomplishments.
Well you got your wish granted. Lucky you
This was incredible
Why are you calling Isshin a shinobi? He is clearly a samurai.
Great job mate love this channel❤
Bro do one with all the souls borne bosses! These vids are fire 🔥
I forgot the Divine Dragon existed so I thought number one was going to be the Armored Warrior lol
ROBEEEEERT
For the algorithm - keep being awesome
Hell yeah, I would love a Lies of P video
got done with the 8 hour elden ring video.
The Bestiary: "BUT WAIT THERE IS MORE"
i scream as im dragged into the rabit hole
someone please teach this guy how to mikiri counter and jump counter sweep attacks, i am going to go insane watching this
I wish there was a dlc for this game man, fighting tomoe or kingfisher would’ve been epic
That sekiro would've gotten a dlc, we could've met so many characters that we only hear stories about, and could've saved elden ring from Malenia
Just imagine how strong a Shura Sekiro boss would be.
Now all you have to do is rank the Elden ring DLC bosses by lore, then combine all these vids into one vid so we can see who is the strongest FromSoftware character by lore. (My money’s on The Moon Presence)
The high will
@ahmadadnan4773leaning away from Gael, not 100% on Elden Beast lore, but from what I know, Moon Presence can exist on multiple planes so even if it gets killed physically, it can survive on another plane and has proven it can influence others to act on its will such as Gerhman and the PC AND only being with the same level of insight can even stand against it.
Gael’s strong asf, but with his hollowing I don’t think he has the insight needed to stand against the Moon Presence. In a one on one fight, I reckon the Moon Presence would just dominate Gael’s mind without much issue, hollows aren’t exactly mentally with it. Physical power is one thing that Gael excels at, but Moon Presence has a whole other magnitude of it.
The Elden Beast seems a great deal more powerful, but it’s also an extension of the Greater Will, not on par with the Greater Will itself. I think the Elden Beast is powerful asf, but I don’t think it can even crack the Great Ones of Bloodborne. Honestly, I reckon the Moon Presence would just ask the Elden Beast to put its daddy on the phone 😂
@ahmadadnan4773 exactly my point, one of the reasons the Great Ones all ranked so high was because even if their physical bodies were destroyed, they’d still exist in any number of other planes of existence. How can a character be more powerful than one if they can’t even kill it? Even if a Great One fails to kill Gael, they could easily seduce another mortal, like the chosen undead, bearer of the curse, ashen one, paleblood hunter or the tarnished.
Also, you can only stand up to the Moon Presence after ascending to a level on par with it by consuming three third umbilical chords. If you don’t, you don’t even get a chance to fight.
Side note, Kos actually washed up already dead due to a miscarriage, fishermen just worshipped her corpse until Master Willem was like “Oooooooooooh fresh god corpse” 😂
@ahmadadnan4773 that’s the thing tho, I don’t think Gael COULD stand up to the Moon Presence’s powers. Gael was STRONG as hell and I think he’s definitely capable of cutting the Moon Presence into calamari, but the Palemoon Hunter could have killed Ebrites, Orphan of Kos, Mergot’s Wet Nurse, Amygdala, every Great One in the game, but if they haven’t chowed down on enough umbilical chords when they wanted a snack, they couldn’t even lift a finger against the MP.
All things considered, the PC in bloodborne is still relatively sane. Gael? After hundreds, possibly thousands of years of constant searching, killing and blood drinking, he’s far from sane. Just the type of people Great Ones can play with easily. Gael could probably annihilate MP in a straight fight. But I don’t think he could even raise his sword against MP, he’d just end up being a pawn.
What makes this game so easy to scale is the fighting style is so close to canon and theres no real power jumps besides getting mortal blades and you can even make characters fight eachother and they work the same as wolf
i wonder if you can do this with games that arent from soft related like hollow knight also love your videos their so interesting :3
Amazing video!!!
im waiting for the 8 hour elden ring ranking bosses by lore video 😂
Perfect job!
Love your videos!
Divine dragon being on 1st be like:
Meri selection ho gayi hai?
glad to see this one made, was worried it might not be because its a bit of a black sheep
You don’t get Kingfisher’s ring from the guardian ape though… you get it from an encounter in the same room AFTER the guardian ape and wife
Great job
Commenting for the sake of algorithm. Fun video
This guy: “Gyobou a simple warrior, with strength > True corrupted monk, merited to the legendary okami clan”.
Me: 🤔?
I would like to see a lore accurate description of Wolf
"Sekiro:old shinobi",that can be a name 4 a game based on the past of ashina,when owl and butterfly was young,same as isshin and tomoe
Please release one on Elden Ring. If theres too many bosses just do the remembrance ones
All 120+ bosses in Elden ring already almost finished being edited, keep your eyes on the channel 😊
FINALLY 🎉
armored warior is the true one